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Catholic Bishops Issue Scathing Release Calling Biden’s Contraception Claim ‘Not a Fact’

Oct. 12, 2012 1:25pm Billy Hallowell

As TheBlaze noted this morning, Vice President Joe Biden and Republican contender Paul Ryan clashed over abortion and religious freedom during last night’s debate. Among the statements that were made, Biden defended the administration against claims that the government is forcing Catholic organizations to violate conscience with the enforcement of the controversial contraception mandate.

On Friday, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) issued a statement, fact-checking Biden’s commentary and railing against the notion that institutions will be free and clear from the mandate’s clauses.

Catholic Bishops Correct Joe Bidens Contraceptive Claims During Debate

Vice President Joe Biden speaks during the vice presidential debate at the Norton Center at Centre College in Danville, Kentucky (Photo Credit: AFP/Getty Images)

In a statement published on the bishops’ web site, church leaders sought to clarify Biden’s words about the regulation and its impact on faith-based institutions. Contrary to what Catholic leaders have been fighting against — even taking to the courts to try and prevent — Biden said during the debate that hospitals, schools and other religiously-affiliated groups — won’t have “to pay for contraception.”

“With regard to the assault on the Catholic Church, let me make it absolutely clear. No religious institution—Catholic or otherwise, including Catholic social services, Georgetown hospital, Mercy hospital, any hospital—none has to either refer contraception, none has to pay for contraception, none has to be a vehicle to get contraception in any insurance policy they provide,” he said. “That is a fact. That is a fact.”

Watch Biden’s comment below (at the 3:50 mark):

The USCCB has come out strongly against Biden’s statements, claiming that they are not based on “fact.” Here’s the statement that the church put out in response to his proclamation:

This is not a fact. The HHS mandate contains a narrow, four-part exemption for certain “religious employers.” That exemption was made final in February and does not extend to “Catholic social services, Georgetown hospital, Mercy hospital, any hospital,” or any other religious charity that offers its services to all, regardless of the faith of those served.

HHS has proposed an additional “accommodation” for religious organizations like these, which HHS itself describes as “non-exempt.” That proposal does not even potentially relieve these organizations from the obligation “to pay for contraception” and “to be a vehicle to get contraception.” They will have to serve as a vehicle, because they will still be forced to provide their employees with health coverage, and that coverage will still have to include sterilization, contraception, and abortifacients. They will have to pay for these things, because the premiums that the organizations (and their employees) are required to pay will still be applied, along with other funds, to cover the cost of these drugs and surgeries.

USCCB continues to urge HHS, in the strongest possible terms, actually to eliminate the various infringements on religious freedom imposed by the mandate.

Photo Credit: AFP/Getty Images

The Catholic Church, faith-based colleges and even some businesses have sued over the mandate, showcasing the fact that Biden’s debate commentary on the matter is nowhere near as cut and dry as he claims. Based on currently regulations and a lack of specificity on behalf of the administration, the sentiment behind the bishops’ claims is correct.

Faith leaders and free-speech advocates have also questioned the government’s new-found involvement in defining religious groups — something that they claim will inevitably result from officials’ involvement in deciding which groups would and would not escape the mandate’s requirements.

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Bro. Chuck
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 2:38pm
Add Pelosi, Sebelius…. there’s a whole gaggle of them….
spouting off & pontificating – “Look!… I’m a Catholic!”……

There’s a major disconnect when they can say…. I believe this way…
but I won’t “force my beliefs on another….”

that tells me that they can Look at themselves in a mirror…
(ok, except Nancy & Sebelius, ’cause the insurance won’t cover the shattering anymore….)
or even sleep like the lil Cherubs they see themselves as….
knowing full good and well, that the person is partaking in the abominations
( yes… they are ABOMINATIONS! – abortion, sodomy, homosexuality…. take your pick)
because THESE PEOPLE passively condone….
therefore tacitly approve of the same activity….

Yes, the Church should now stand up and say….
State your faith!
and if they continue to turn their heads when they are in a position to speak out and stop these abominations, well, then yes…
the Writs of Heresy should be printed,
the offenders ex-communicated,
and the Catholics should be proud to do it!

C’mon Dolan…..
Isn’t your heart grieving the pain of our Lord, when you see these idiots slandering and mocking
our heavenly Father? dismissing the work & suffering of His Son, Jesus? Blaspheming the Spirit through their inaction and silence?

This is indeed a sad day when you cannot stand on God’s Precepts.

Be Bless’d in Yeshua

Bro. Chuck

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- scuba13
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 2:50pm
  They won’t force their views on others. But they will force their taxes on you with Obamacare. Isn’t that just great.
  
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- Duey2000
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 3:25pm
  The Catholic Church won’t go as far as to excommunicate though. They think that it will force other Catholics who feel the same way to feel unwelcome in the church. Number of Catholics is already diminishing and this just wouldn’t help them. It’s sad because the church shouldn’t turn their back on their principles over public image and membership numbers. Of course when you say things like that people think about the inquistion or the Church fo England.
  
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- blackhawk56
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 4:53pm
  AMEN Bro. Chuck, i couldn’t have said it any better. This is spot on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  
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- 2MINUTESTOMIDNIGHT
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 6:45pm
  DAMON: Have you ever considered actually purchasing some advertising space instead of mooching off The Blaze?
  
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- cloudsofwar
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 8:04am
  well said bro chuck. the last statement in the story, the gov is going to define religious groups. i’m sure islam will get top billing from muslim obama. when gov defines religious groups we have lost our country. vote obama-biden for total destruction of America. we will be just another socialist country and gov will tell you which church you can attend. PRAY FOR YOUR COUNTRY THAT THE RIGHT LEADERS ARE ELECTED THIS NOVEMBER.
  
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- ireport uderide
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 8:33am
  I agree but don’t hold your breath. This is just another version of the story Jesus told about the Good Samaritan.
  The Inquisition the Holocaust, slavery, infanticide, segregation, abortion, socialism, communism and civil rights.
  The Catholic Church hierarchies seem to think they can sit back in the Palace of St. Peter and issue stern warnings without the threat of excommunication and that’s enough.
  Sorry, not only is it your obligation to attend to the afflicted (as you do) you must point out the perpetrators in your midst and compel them to STOP the assaults against the defenseless. You must make them uncomfortable in their sin.
  
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- maggieBP
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 2:18pm
  Wonderful. Couldn’t have said it better myself. I am a Catholic who like many others of my ‘era’ loved all the change brought upon by Vatican II. The results of our folly are now about to sink us unless we ‘repent’. Remember Maude in the Golden Girls? She would scoldingly say “God will getcha for that”. well, bulletin, bulletin!!!!
  Not just I but many others like me have fallen on our knees, confessed to the almighty, begged forgiveness and have vowed to not sin again. There is a quiet revolution going on thanks to Glenn Beck. I have turned the corner with thousands like me and I know God’s Mighty Army will step up and defeat this dreadful AXIS OF EVILgroup of heretics Pelosi, Biden and Sebelius and despicable Harry Reid right along with the Devil incarnate Barack Obama, the most evil person of all.
  LET US NOT FORGET; It was Barack Obama who walked away from his visit to Pope Benedict at the Vatican vowing to go back home and work hard to reduce the number of abortions in the United States.
  I am feeling like we are all frogs in a pot of boiling water with the burner turned on. How long before you jump? We must cease living like the light at the end of the tunnel is NOT a speeding train.
  Get involved, educate your friends, get a committment. God will help us thrugh this if you ask him.
  I live in Virginia, my Licence Plate is CEASE AND DESIST. Give me a high five when you pass by. We are all on this vail of tears together.
  Praise to you Lord Jesus Christ.
  
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- snooop1e
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 2:54am
  http://www.operationrescue.org/archives/pastor-chuck-smith-stuns-radio-listeners-by-encouraging-woman-to-abort/
  
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- DarkJello
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 11:51am
  Joe has no problem FORCING his views on every American in dozens and dozens of areas, but abortion gets a pass for some reason. Glad to see the catholic church call Joe out for the liar that he is. Dems think Biden won, which shows their level of delusion. It was a draw at best, and he has given Team Romney a lot of ammunition.
  
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- cvbqwe
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 5:44pm
  What it means in the Consttution;Not to conceal or destroy the right to Life,but to Adorn and preserved it…as Lincoln said; “The picture was made,not to conceal,or destroy the apple:but to adon, and preserve it…….. The picture was made for the apple-not the apple for pictre”
  
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- Marinewife2003
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 8:19pm
  I couldn’t agree more, with the exception of the part on excommunication. The Bishops in the areas where these idividuals live and attend mass, (if they even bother to go anymore), have been instructed to tell them they are no longer welcome to present themselves for communion or any other sacrament. I believe the only one they can participate in is reconciliation, so they can repent their heresy, (which they obviously haven’t). They can still attend mass, but they have also been barred from speaking at religious institutions as well as them not permitted to recieve any sacraments. There is little else the Bishops can do. According to canon law, they cannot barr them from attending mass. These people are encouraged to reconcile with the Catholic Church and repent. I honestly don’t think it will happen, and I think they should barr them from mass, but I don’t think that will ever happen, either.
  
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- SunshineBob
  Posted on October 15, 2012 at 11:01am
  to Bishop Dolan:
  
  So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth.
  Revelation 3:15-17
  
  God will provide if you honor his word. Those that are offended by church doctrine or the word of God are lukewarm and an abomination to Him.
  
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- by faith
  Posted on October 15, 2012 at 12:24pm
  http://www.catholic.com/magazine/articles/strong-medicine
  
  Canon Law and Excommunication
  
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- by faith
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 6:12pm
  In the Code of Canon Law (CIC)abortion and eight other sins carry the penalty of automatic excommunication: apostasy, heresy, schism (CIC 1364:1), violating the sacred species (CIC 1367), physically attacking the pope (CIC 1370:1), sacramentally absolving an accomplice in a sexual sin (CIC 1378:1), consecrating a bishop without authorization (CIC 1382), and directly violating the seal of confession (1388:1).
  Apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith. Heresy is the obstinate doubt or denial, after baptism, of a defined Catholic doctrine. Schism is the refusal of submission to the Roman Pontiff or the refusal to be in communion with members of the Church who are in communion with him (CIC 751).
  Violation of the sacred species is the throwing away the consecrated species of Christ’s body or blood or the taking or retaining of them for a sacrilegious purpose (CIC 1367).
  Physically attacking the pope is self-explanatory, as are absolving an accomplice in a sexual sin and consecrating a bishop without authorization from the Vatican.
  A direct violation of the seal of confession is one in which both the penitent and the penitent’s sin can easily be determined by the confessor’s words or behavior. Again, the penalty of automatic excommunication does not apply if no one perceives the disclosure (CIC 1330).
  
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SunTzuYou
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 2:30pm
Joe, confess, say three Hail Marys and Five Our Fathers, and do not sin again, go in peace, Proverbs 29.9

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- johnjamison
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 2:36pm
  The Catholic Church needs to get old school and excommunicate Joe and the rest of the baby murder is a right clan from its churches. They are cancer to the catholic community and religion as a whole
  
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- TEARS FOR AMERICA
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 2:51pm
  It is time the true church of the living God stand up and say enough is enough and we will not comply to this administration’s death declaration for American Catholics or otherwise…
  
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- johnjamison
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 3:02pm
  Joe went to church incognito when everybody rose
  Priest saw him recognized him
  and punched him in the nose
  he said
  
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- iampraying4u
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 5:44pm
  Joe say 666 hail marys and you will be ok
  
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texasderek
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 2:25pm
Biden was such a childish absolute jerk in the debate.

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- mjs6029
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 2:49pm
  Actually I thought the VP was supposed to be the attack dog for the president. What I saw was more of a rabid dog. I was half expecting Biden to start foaming at the mouth, bark wildly and start running in circles trying to bit himself. He’s always been a fool, but now he’s a complete embarrassment.
  
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- Concern4Constitution
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 5:43pm
  I’m actually rather pleased with Biden’s performance–it caused my college age niece to go from “undecided” to Romney/Ryan.
  
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milkah
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 2:22pm
Ever notice when it’s not convenient to be pregnant at that time an abortion is just getting rid of somes cells,when the time is convenient all of a sudden it’s a baby.

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- StarkeRaving
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 8:29pm
  Before they make these laws allowing the murder of babies they need to go to a hospital or clinic and see these babies that are aborted- unfortunately I saw several at the beginning of my nursing career. I was asked to take a cart of covered pans to the lab -one of the lids fell off when the other nurse pushed the cart out of the room- inside was a tiny baby that looked like it had a bad sunburn. Seeing my shock she told me it was just a fetus that was the result of a saline abortion. then she knocked a lid off another pan inside was another baby in parts. I was so sick I had to leave for the day. I cannot believe how cruel people are to these tiny babies. And they are babies not a piece of meat. You can call them what you want but after what I saw that day they are babies.Babies killed by the very people that are supposed to protect them.
  
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- snooop1e
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 2:53am
  For all those who are “pro-choice” which is really “pro-murder” you should go to this website and look at the pictures of aborted babies and see if you still feel the same way. Reminds me of Politicians who sit back home in their air conditioned offices and determine the ruled of engagement for soldiers who are facing death every day on the battlefield. You know things like reading enemy combatants their rights and not firing on an armed combatant unless or until he fires first. I have yet to meet an Abortion advocate who doesn’t get very upset if you start talking graphically about what actually happens during an Abortion. For the life of me I cannot understand why Abortion advocates do not advocate rape or murder or stealing, after all what right do we have to tell other people what they can and can’t do with their bodies? Lord have mercy on us. Link is below.
  
  http://www.operationrescue.org/archives/pastor-chuck-smith-stuns-radio-listeners-by-encouraging-woman-to-abort/
  
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Ronko
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 2:20pm
Biden was so FOS on this topic. If there’s one place where we know exactly when Biden lied, it’s this issue. The catholic’s have been suing the govt because they are forcing Contraceptions on people who don’t believe in them. That is so morally and outrageously wrong to do that.

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Sugabee
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 2:20pm
@ Billy Hallowell: You’re welcome. (im_marcie) :)

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Dismayed Veteran
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 2:18pm
Take another look at Biden’s performance when asked for his personal position on abortion. He head is down. His hands are clasped. He appears to be in prayer. He then begins his position statement with a slightly trembling voice, as if he is torn between his deep religious belief and the laws of the land. It is an act. He is an actor. He is imagining. He is not speaking the truth. He is a politican of the worst kind. I am a Catholic. He is not. His actions and words prove that. His kneeling and crossing himrself and going to Mass every Sunday is only pandering to his “blue collar” consituents. He is playing at being one of the faithful. I swear I do not understand why this man is not excommunicated. He needs to become an Episcopalian. There would be no conflict.

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- Wango
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 7:00pm
  You’re no Catholic.
- Verceofreason
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 8:51pm
  He won the debate.
  Any woman who votes for Ryan is deranged.
  He’s another Santorum, most famous for the statement;’Smart people don’t become Republicans.”
  That should really be out national motto.
  
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- pissantno.10
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 9:49pm
  coming from two piles of dung w and w who cares what you think
  
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- cosette
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 3:36pm
  @ Wango…. How dare you respond to that passionate post from somebody who you obviously do not know at all with the accusation of “liar”. Do you profess to know her heart and mind?.You routinely post pithy responses that are borderline immature and often meant to enrage. This is over the top. You owe this woman an apology, but I hardly expect you to offer one.
  
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jackieaxe
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 2:17pm
It probably doesn’t hurt like it used to, BUT it’s not a good idea to get into a public battle with the Catholic Bishops 3 weeks before an election. Thanks Joe!

Romney/Ryan 2012!

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jrcess
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 2:14pm
The Catholic Church needs to ex-comunicate old Smiley. I have never seen such Hypocrisy in my life. Biden needs to join Rev Writght’s church where he fits in. There it does not make a rat’s ass what you believe.

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- Bro. Chuck
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 2:36pm
  Add Pelosi, Sebelius…. there’s a whole gaggle of them….
  spouting off & pontificating – “Look!… I’m a Catholic!”……
  
  There’s a major disconnect when they can say…. I believe this way…
  but I won’t “force my beliefs on another….”
  
  that tells me that they can Look at themselves in a mirror…
  (ok, except Nancy & Sebelius, ’cause the insurance won’t cover the shattering anymore….)
  or even sleep like the lil Cherubs they see themselves as….
  knowing full good and well, that the person is partaking in the abominations
  ( yes… they are ABOMINATIONS! – abortion, sodomy, homosexuality…. take your pick)
  because THESE PEOPLE passively condone….
  therefore tacitly approve of the same activity.
  
  Yes, the Church should now stand up and say….
  State your faith!
  and if they continue to turn their heads when they are in a position to speak out and stop these abominations, well, then yes…
  the Writs of Heresy should be printed,
  the offenders ex-communicated,
  and the Catholics should be proud to do it!
  
  C’mon Dolan…..
  Isn’t your heart grieving the pain of our Lord, when you see these idiots slandering and mocking
  our heavenly Father? dismissing the work & suffering of His Son, Jesus? Blaspheming the Spirit through their inaction and silence?
  
  This is indeed a sad day when you cannot stand on God’s Precepts.
  
  Be Bless’d in Yeshua
  
  Bro. Chuck
  
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- dublinthewagons
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 3:01pm
  Joe needs to put the barrel in his mouth and squeeze the trigger
  
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- theotherberean
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 2:12pm
  @BRO, I agree with the premise of your argument, but “most” of the Catholics I know are CINO’s. If you excommunicate them all for these infractions, how many would be left?
  
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Watermain
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 2:05pm
Keep practicing Catholicism your way Mr. Biden and there will almost certainly be a reserved seat for you in a very hot place. How can you call yourself a Catholic when you support abortion? You are pathetic.

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- DDD
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 2:14pm
  Biden and Pelosi belong to the same mythical church – its all in their heads – no way they’re practicing Catholics.
  
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AJAYW
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 2:00pm
Well kick the liar out of the church then…………

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godlovinmom
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:53pm
It will indeed be a grand day in America…when Roe V Wade is overturned and it is no longer legal to kill you baby!

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- thetruthlives
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:58pm
  Amen
  
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- godlovinmom
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:59pm
  your baby!
  
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- biohazard23
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 2:08pm
  Hear hear!!!
  
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blackyb
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:47pm
Their idea of church is a place to work to get votes and to look like they have some belief. These people have nothing in their heart for God or the American people.

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Larry E
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:44pm
So Joe is an ill informed, overbearing, obnoxious liar. This is hardly a surprise to me.

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- HKS
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:48pm
  I think a liar sums it up
  
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- Anonymous T. Irrelevant
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 2:33pm
  Must be a pre-requisite to work for The Obama Aministration.
  
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Just_Us2
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:42pm
As long as old Joe is a member in good standing with the Catholic Church, I really do not care to hear from them. Clearly the church is just fine with Biden, his stance on abortion, since he apparently a member.

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- DIMITRIINPA
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:49pm
  Ding-Ding-Ding-Ding!! Give this man a cee-gar!!! Exactly right; excommunicate him and give yourselves some cred.
  
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- DIMITRIINPA
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:52pm
  DDING-DING-DING-DING!!!! We have us a winner; give this man a cee-gar!! You hit this on the head! I’m happy they ‘clarified the position’, but keeping ol Joe as a ‘member in good standing’ dilutes the position somewhat!
  
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- Cavallo
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 2:12pm
  The Roman Catholic church seems to be getting bolder and bolder as time goes on. Official excommunication sounds like a complicated thing, not to mention at this point a political thing. I remember a story about a king that got excommunicated by the pope and his entire army walked off the field away from him. Why hitch your wagon to a horse that is headed towards eternal damnation, I guess?
  
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- sta
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 2:12pm
  There are sinners in every denomination. The Catholic Church doesn’t have membership cards that can be revoked. It should would be much easier if they did, but they don’t.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 2:13pm
  Biden is not important enough for “excommunication” to be imposed upon him but he may already be excommunicated via “latae sententiae”.
  
  All excommunication means is you can’t receive communion because you haven’t repented. You’re still supposed to attend Mass even if you’ve been excommunicated. You’re still a Catholic.
  
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- Sugabee
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 2:18pm
  As far as excommunication is concerned, the Church does not normally excommunicate someone; they excommunicate THEMSELVES by their own words/actions. In Biden’s case, he has already done that. The fact that he may or may not still attend a Catholic Church has no bearing on that. He can receive the graces of the Sacraments, but it will do him no good until he repents and is absolved of his sins. Hopefully, one day that will happen.
  
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eaglesview
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:42pm
What are Oblamer and Joe going to say when St. Peter greets them at the gates to heaven ?.
Oops !.

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- TSUNAMI_22
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:50pm
  Hopefully both of them will be given the exact same choice that 50 million aborted infants have gotten.
  
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- commoncents5
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:56pm
  Heaven will say they are a little void on good works and their tank is empty on faith.
  
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- brliso
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 7:22pm
  Nothing! They both have too much hubris to acknowlwdge that there is anyone smarter or holier then they are. They don’t believe in heaven otherwise “ole Joe” wouldn’t act like such a tool..
  
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sta
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:40pm
Good for the Bishops!

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righthanddrive
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:39pm
Way to go Catholic Church…It is good to see that you guys will only be pushed so far and I see that you will not take it any more. High time you stood up for all of us out here in the trenches.

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- Cavallo
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 2:09pm
  They should go farther and excommunicate the ones looking to force a schism in the church as well as those that flagrantly denounce basic church teachings on a constant basis. You can call yourself Catholic all you want, but if you don’t believe half of what they teach is it true in fact?
  
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- theotherberean
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 2:18pm
  Maybe if they just excommunicated everybody the Church would “really” take off!
  
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godlovinmom
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:37pm
Every year you see Biden with that Ash on his forhead…he’ll abide by that tradition…but screw the unborn!

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- beekeeper
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:49pm
  The APPEARANCE of piety is very important to Joe.
  
  Lucky for Biden & Obama, at least 47% of voters take them at their word when they declare something ‘a fact’, lucky for Republicans/this country the press is starting to question the emperor’s clothing choices…
  
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- sta
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:50pm
  The real question is, WHY is Biden Catholic?
  The Catholic Church tells us that life begins at conception. Biden said last night that he personally believes what the Church says but will not inflict his religious beliefs on anyone, so an abortion is a woman’s decision on what to do with HER body. Yet, he does not take into account that there is another human being being slaughtered.
  So what is it Joe? Is the Catholic Church right? Conception is when life begins. Is the Bible right? What happened to “Thou shalt not kill?”
  
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- godlovinmom
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 2:02pm
  Sta…you got that right “my friend”…what RIGHT does any woman have to take the life of another…ummm all men are created equal..I’m thinking that means eighty years old…or one day old!
  
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- DSMCasebook
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 3:58pm
  That’s “special” Ash on Plugs Biden and Pelosi’s forehead. It’s the ashes from the aborted babies that are thrown into the crematory…..thought you’d like to know.
  
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- godlovinmom
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 4:19pm
  DSMCasebook..ya think…reminds me of the old testament where they threw their babies in the fire to honor moloch…modern day babylon!
  
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LeadNotFollow
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:37pm
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Biden is such an embarrassment to the Catholics. He’s a compulsive liar.

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- MDECKER
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:47pm
  Biden’s sombrous statement about his faith was about as genuine as, Obama’s adherence to the Constitution.
  
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- Cavallo
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 2:05pm
  Princess Nancy too.
  
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- anothercomment
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 10:14pm
  The Dems would lie even if telling the truth would save their life. It’s their disease and DWS is their idol.
  
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Gonzo
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:37pm
Catholic Bishops, you are sadly mistaken if you ever thought he cared about his church OR the truth. He may show up, cross himself and neal but. that’s as far as his faith ever went. Check his charitable contributions deduction, which includes what he tithes. He comes in around 2% total. You know as well as I do, the minimum is 10%. He exchanged the one true God for the Lord of this world long ago.

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- HKS
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:51pm
  Good point, no money where his mouth is, like all hat and no cattle.
  
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- horsefeathers99
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 2:05pm
  There is no stated minimum on giving. Some are very generous, some not (Biden).
  People of Catholic faith give in many other ways, food and assistance for the needy, housing for pregnant teens saved from the abortion mill.
  Some Catholic adoption agencies have been shut down for not adopting out to gay couples.
  With Obamacare, Catholic hospitals may likely have to shut down too.
  
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- Gonzo
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 2:52pm
  There is a stated minimun, it’s 10%.
  
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- Verceofreason
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 8:53pm
  Romney lies 24/7 and then lie to change his original lie.
  Mitt’s been running for 10 years and no one still knows what his positions are.
  
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- Derius
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 11:31pm
  There is no Biblical minimum or % stated in scripture in the New Testament. Ten Percent was under the old covenant and has been used as a baseline or guideline, and it is a good one, but it is not a mandated amount. Read your scripture. Now I speak as directly from the Bible itself, I have no idea what the “church” says.
  
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jackact
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:37pm
Lying Biden strikes again.
The Catholic church has one stance on abortion.
Always will.
It’s the illuminati that have created their own “look the other way” church.
For political gain.
Much like how the Biden’s and Obama’s of this world have created within their own radical political agenda within the democratic party with a “look the other way” approach.
For political gain.

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The_Jerk
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:35pm
They lie so much that they can’t tell a lie from the truth. Lying is their reality, their norm.

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- The_Jerk
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:40pm
  One must also recognize that this is an example of the Catholics feeding the communist lion which has now turned around to eat them. Catholics have been far too progressive in their policies and practices since the disastrous Vatican II.
  
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- theotherberean
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 2:23pm
  And in my dismay I said, “All men are liars.” Psalm 116:11
  
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Vickie Dhaene
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:35pm
The decision of abortion is between woman and her doctor. Hopefully she seeks the guidance of a spiritual counselor. But the taxpayer and the church has a right to refuse tax dollars or insurance to be spent by GOVERNMENT to fund any abortion.

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- godlovinmom
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:42pm
  Have to diagree there with ya…the decision is between a person and God…and God says THOU SHALT NOT KILL!
  
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- kaydeebeau
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:42pm
  I think you left out a party involved in the “transaction” – the baby……
  
  and just to be clear – our first principle outlined in the Declaration of Independance is the right to life…
  
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- sta
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 2:17pm
  Oh Vickie, it’s so sad that you have been misinformed. There are actually three people involved. Don’t believe me?
  http://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/embryoquotes2.html
  
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biohazard23
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:33pm
Of course Uncle Joe was lying. He’s psychologically incapable of telling the truth. That’s a fact, heh heh heh…. :)

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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 2:17pm
  BIOHAZARD23, Hehehe, I mentioned this on another story, but since you call Biden that too, I just can’t help myself. There was another well known leader also known as Uncle Joe by his people. Yep, Uncle Joe Stalin.
  
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- biohazard23
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 2:32pm
  RJ, I’m not surprised by that at all. I just don’t know who’s more dangerous, Stalin and his insane cruelty, or Biden just being insane. Tee hee….
  
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- Wango
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 7:02pm
  Don’t you two have Happy Meal toys to argue over? Geez, grow the F up.
  
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