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Oct. 13, 2012 6:15pm Erica Ritz

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Former presidential candidate Ron Paul (R-TX) says he is still not ready to endorse Republican nominee Mitt Romney because– in some ways– he and President Obama represent the same “one-party system.”

When asked by CNBC’s Jackie DeAngelis if he was “ready to endorse Mitt Romney,” the Libertarian offered a clear “no” before launching into a description of how the nominees are similar, and represent a continuation of the status quo.

He explained:

“I look at it that there are people who are very, very powerful that are able to make sure their interests are protected– whether it’s the people who run the Federal Reserve and bail out banks, and bail out European banks… Right now, they have their two guys there– believe me.

“Why does Obama not attack Romney for not being the Goldman Sachs candidate? It’s because they both are within the establishment where they need the Federal Reserve and the lender of last resort to make sure that you can take all the risk in the world, but don’t sweat it, because government will be there, and the Fed will be there, and they’re going to get bailed out. “

Here is video of the interview:

Paul continued: “I’ve been in this business a long time and believe me there is essentially no difference from one administration to another no matter what the platforms…The foreign policy stays the same, the monetary policy stays the same, there’s no proposal for any real cuts and both parties support it.”

After criticizing the economic policies of both candidates, Paul said Barack Obama and Mitt Romney “know how to play the game” but represent a false choice.

This marks a somewhat stronger condemnation than in the past, when Paul said he wouldn’t “fully” endorse Mitt Romney.

The staunch Libertarian concluded: “They represent a one-party system. Somebody said ‘why don’t we get a third party?’ and another one said, I think correctly so, ‘Why don’t we get a second party?’”

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Individualism
Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:41pm
Romney and Obama are traitors to this nation and are sell outs to the bankers and corporations. when we find that out or had enough we can do what iceland did or revolution (doesn’t have to be violent either). for the mean time enjoy four more years of obama according to the fake rigged election. when you had enough you know what to do. so Ron Paul stands on principle and Rand Paul infiltrates for power.
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:47pm
  “I’ve been in this business a long time and believe me there is essentially no difference from one administration to another no matter what the platforms…The foreign policy stays the same, the monetary policy stays the same, there’s no proposal for any real cuts and both parties support it.”
  
  DING DING
  
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- Ronko
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:55pm
  Romney’s hardly a traitor. The worst for him is a weasel politician. With Obama we all know his beliefs that Peter must pay Paul. That to me is a huge difference between the two.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:01pm
  Anyone that supports voiding the 5th-7th amendments with two paragraphs in the yearly defense bill is a traitor. The GOP is filled with them.
  
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- West Coast Patriot
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:04pm
  Ronko, Alan Keyes says it best about Romney and Obama” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4R4KtYVF-74&feature=youtu.be
  
  I will vote for Gary Johnson. Listen to him with Jesse Ventura: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn290hy9qrI&feature=youtu.be
  This is an hour long, but listen to the whole thing, it is the future of our country that we are talking about and that should be worth an hour of your time.
  
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- endgamer
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:05pm
  This is OLD news! Glenn and the blaze are either WAY out of touch or this is the start of a Blaze smear campaign. WE HAVE A ONE PARTY SYSTEM WITH TWO FACTIONS! THE ENDGAME IS THE SAME!!
  
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- honor007
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:08pm
  Listen, all of this third party talk at this time in the Country’s fork in the road with no turning back is fricking insane with the polls so close. You third party people vote for whom you want. It’s your conscience!!!!
  
  Statistically speaking, there are two people in this race. Get over yourselves. Do you want a route to further go down the socialistic path or one that will somewhat get this ship turned around for our kids and in which we can have the third party when it becomes a force to compete. Until then, let’s get this Country back on the right path. Geesh *rolling my eyes in the back of my head*
  
  Romney was NOT my first choice, but he is the ONLY choice at the present time. He is NOT a bad, mean, neocon,; he cares about this Country of ours. Wake up.
  
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- 13th Imam
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:11pm
  Here come the nut jobs.
  
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- PATTY HENRY
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:15pm
  Call RAND and have him go commit his father. THIS OLD GOAT has had 30 years in CONGRESS to make his point and he did not…he got to run for PRES. 4 times and each time his RABID, OBNOXIOUS little PaulBots have turned everyone off…
  INSTEAD of picking a spot that HE can do like come up with great program to replace the FED or do away with it…this old fool would rather see the COMMUNIST re-elected. ROMNEY is nothing like the COMMUNIST you old fool. PS 90% of the NASTY posters on this thread are PAULBOTS. I just can’t deal with stupid. I don’t care what they do. I’ve said my bit so visitors won’t think this BLAZE is about RON PAUL. Shame on you PAUL..you egotist. IF you really had any political skills you’d have stopped the FED and your SON would have endorsed you!! -30-
  YOU little boys who want to vote for PAUL or JOHNSON ? You might as well go vote for Obama.
  There is NO excuse for this. WHY did RAND PAUL endorse ROMNEY – MONTHS AGO??? GROW UP little PAULBOTS. We have a country to save you numbnuts.
  
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- Ilikepeople
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:15pm
  And why should Ron Paul endorse Romney when it was that I am put his finger on Ron Paul, and told him to get himself up there to Washington?
  
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- endgamer
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:17pm
  It ain’t over.. Millions of us are writing him in and making copies. One for the election, One for the local election board and and one with affidavit for an attorney representing Ron Paul voters.. No electronic cheating this time. Murkoski did it in Alaska,, It can be done on a nationwide level..
- endgamer
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:19pm
  Honor, With all due respect, YOU are doing EXACTLY what they want.. The psychological game is to make you believe that Romney is the ONLY choice.. How many times are you going to fall for this BS.
  
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- Ilikepeople
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:20pm
  Romney is a double side player, and that’s why Bain Capital gave money to the Obama Campaign.
  
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- grimmster
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:21pm
  @13th.
  Thats just one nutjob, encinom,individualism, soybomb etc…..
  
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- Individualism
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:21pm
  you know if he would have won fairly that would be a different situation but him and his folks cheated their way and also hes a felon. there is no way i would ever consider voting for a criminal and yes Obama is one as well. cheaters and criminals deserve to lose no matter their close monster there facing.
- RLTW
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:21pm
  PATTY HENRY
  
  Great post 100% correct, thank you.
  
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- Ilikepeople
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:23pm
  I think I’m just going to write in Ron Paul’s name.
  
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- Kupo
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:23pm
  @PATTY HENRY
  
  “PS 90% of the NASTY posters on this thread are PAULBOTS”
  
  Sweet, sweet irony.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:24pm
  anyone but Obama – right?
  
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- honor007
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:24pm
  Honestly, at least half of Ron Paul supporters are former Obama supporters and Occutards. I am pretty sure they will cancel each other out.
  
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- ShyLow
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:26pm
  Romney will be better than Obama, but Paul should keep the pressure on so the Republicans don’t revert back to Democrats. The Democrats should be voted out and a new two party system of Republicans and Libertarians should battle to see who could cut government and restore freedom the fastest
  
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- Individualism
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:26pm
  anybody but Obama voters are ignorant racists and nothing more.
- honor007
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:27pm
  @endgamer, please do not try to think you would ever convince me of your stupid and illogical retoric that is beyond old. Vote how ya want? You guys thinking you are changing any minds out there, you are sadly mistaken. This whole “cult” of Paulbotism is fading, just NOT on the internet unfortunately.
  
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- honor007
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:28pm
  hahahaha….now the race card. You got Obama’s playbook?
  
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- West Coast Patriot
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:30pm
  PattyHenry, Well his rabid Paulbots are going to keep Romney from winning, watch and see. All of you are the rabid ones. You and your ilk have been more brazen than any Paul supporter in calling names and being jerks all around. So you will get what you deserve and you can blame yourselves for it.
  
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- Ilikepeople
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:30pm
  honor007,
  That’s because people are drifting around while they are learning more and more that it is a one party system.
  
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- Zekron
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:30pm
  I am a libertarian domestically as is Ron Paul, from a Foreign Policy standpoint Ron Paul is insane. We live in a dangerous global neighborhood, we can be the Cop or the Victim.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:33pm
  Honor/Patti, You’re such numb nuts. Is it conservative to vote away our right to a trial (established in 1215) in the yearly defense bill?
  
  I mean you guys would be conservative serfs 800 years ago in medieval England. That’s how bass ackwards you twits are. At least Romney’s not a socialist, except he supports all the socialist programs passed before him. Pfft! I’m guessing someone doesn’t want their Socialist Security checks to go bye bye.
  
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- West Coast Patriot
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:33pm
  Listen to this veteran and then ask yourself if you really support the troops: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzKw9FeyRew&feature=youtu.be
  
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- Ilikepeople
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:35pm
  In the U.S it is a one party system who are as much about their own glory as much as the Americans who don’t vote at all because they want to play both sides getting glory from both sides. The politicians at the top Represent the majority of Americans who don’t vote at all in that just as the politicians play both side getting glory from both sides so do the people who don’t vote wanting glory from the left and right. In my opinion.
  
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- Wayner
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:36pm
  Dear Ron Paul,
  I am niether a democrat or a republican, but an independent conservative… I know that for the most part that it’s just like Ross Periot said during his 3rd party run many years ago, “there’s not a dime’s worth of difference between the democratic and republican parties”. There is, however, a major difference in the ideologies of Obama and Romney… Any attempt by you to drive a wedge into this election will just ensure that we end up as not a democratic republic but a socialist dictatorship.
  
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- Ilikepeople
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:37pm
  Zekron,
  Well you can’t be the cop either, and besides God isn’t going to let you be the cop.
  
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- ObamaForward_OverTheCliff
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:41pm
  “Ron Paul: Mitt Romney and Barack Obama Represent Same ‘One-Party System’ ”
  
  ABSOLUTELY TRUE!!
  
  Glenn Beck: If Romney is elected, you still can’t sit down. The fight isn’t over with Romney. But Romney CAN fix things. He’s the mechanic that COULD fix America. Obama isn’t. That’s all I’m saying.
  
  ABSOLUTELY TRUE!!
  
  To Ron Paul:
  You show me where, if we vote for you, YOU WILL WIN. If you cannot, we must play with the cards we’ve been dealt — or it’s guaranteed Obama and a bloody revolution (at his hands). And Romney may be good enough to slow things down, give us time to get more PATRIOTS into government and more COMMIES out of government.
  
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- GoodStuff
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:42pm
  Here come the unemployed RuPaul kooks….
  
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- Wool-Free Vision
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:44pm
  A pretty a pretty a pretty goose for you:
  
  http://youtu.be/igQlbesF0zA
  
  Free Bananas!
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:49pm
  Some of my friends say that McCain is simply the lesser of two evils. He’s not great, but he’s all we’ve got. And when you’re up against Barack Obama, not so bad looks really good. While, by my standards, I don’t doubt McCain would be less damaging for the next four years, he might be worse for the next four decades.
  -Glenn Beck, July 30 2008.
  
  http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/30/beck.election/index.html
  
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- SKL25
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:57pm
  You are all Stupid Ron Paul followers!!! !!! Romney/Ryan are trying to get America back on track!!! All Ron Paul sypathizers who don’t throw their support to Romney/Ryan will get what they deserve…a destruction of America. And you will have no one to blame but yourselves!!! You are just as uch to blame as Obaa Administration! Wake up you jerks!!!
  
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- KidCharlemagne
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:59pm
  PATTY HENRY
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:15pm
  
  Call RAND and have him go commit his father.
  ============================
  
  Sez’ Patty Henry………
  
  ………….who is advocating government-run healthcare:
  
  April 12, 2006: “Mitt Romney-Ted Kennedy Health Care Bill Signing”
  
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- Wool-Free Vision
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 8:00pm
  Ron Paul’s but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage and then is heard no more. His is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
  
  Credit: Shakespeare (slightly modified)
  
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- ObamaForward_OverTheCliff
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 8:04pm
  Remember it’s BOTTOM UP, TOP DOWN, INSIDE OUT.
  
  That’s the Progressives(communists) theory of overthrowing America. They failed in the 1960′s “unrest” because they weren’t at the TOP yet. Well, they’re at the TOP now. They’ve got the government machine, the guns, the army, the police, the courts. They just need the BOTTOM, that’s you, to rise UP before they, at the TOP, can come DOWN on the INSIDE, that’s Americans, to throw you OUT.
  
  We can’t play the game that way and win with them at the TOP — and they’re at the TOP now. We must get back to the TOP and then we can throw them OUT:
  
  “DICTATORSHIP PLAN For America 2012!! :: Glenn Beck Names The TRAITORS & Exposes Their CONSPIRACY!!”
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAu_-UmERuo
  
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- SKL25
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 8:04pm
  Ron Paul ‘Kool Aid’ drinkers. Wake up you morrons!!! Do you want four more of this Socialist Obama? If not shut your stupid mouths…forget that old ass you are in the tank for and support Romney/Ryan!!!
  
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- justangry
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 8:16pm
  @ObamaForward_OverTheCliff, If the Libertarian Party gets 5% of the vote we’ll never have to deal with the two (correction) one party system every again. That’s a huge win because social progressives suck as bad as lefty progressives.
  
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- Chunkyrhyno
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 8:16pm
  you know as of right now there is no way Paul will beat Obama,,,,,,,so unless you want Obama to stay, you should vote for Romney..We are under attack and its about to get worst.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 8:17pm
  “The scenario that keeps running through my head goes like this: John McCain somehow wins; the major problems we’re likely going to face regardless of who is elected kick in; McCain gets blamed; and conservative ideals take the fall for McCain’s decidedly nonconservative policies. Plus, it’s always been my theory that you should be voting for something, not against something. Trying to win an election by just being against something is usually fruitless; see John Kerry.”
  -Glenn Beck, July 2008 on the Glenn Beck Show
  
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- dissentnow
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 8:20pm
  @Honor
  “You guys thinking you are changing any minds out there, you are sadly mistaken. This whole “cult” of Paulbotism is fading, just NOT on the internet unfortunately”
  
  That is where you are wrong. Minds have been changed. The republican party would not be talking about monetary policy and the federal reserve system if it wasn’t for Ron Paul. Honestly, i don’t think that the majority of the people who post on this forum would even know what the federal reserve is if it wasn’t for Ron Paul.
  
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- SgtB
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 8:30pm
  I would rather vote my conscience and see Obama win another 4 years, ultimately bringing about a violent revolution to split up the U.S or recast our metal into a new democratic republic than to have my unborn child be forced into the slavery that is now entrenched in the title we know as U.S. Citizen. It is slavery that our national government takes on debts in our names and that it taxes what we produce as sovereign citizens. We live in a police state. Of this I am 100% certain and I cannot abide it. All of you who think that Romney will fix our problems are as twisted as those men and women who voted for Obama 4 years ago thinking he would bring real change. Has he? He has only continued the failed policies of increasing socialism and decreasing liberty and Romney will be no different. Your vote for Romney will do nothing to help this nation. You are simply being one of those childish fools who is too afraid of what other people think to act on your own conscience and do the right thing.
- Individualism
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 8:31pm
  nobody should be in office that puts another country before America especially apartheid nations in the middle east.
- ERP
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 8:33pm
  @PATTY HENRY
  
  I couldn’t have said it better myself. Bravo!
  
  Ron Paul and his followers…will they ever just go away?
  
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- Esil019
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 8:34pm
  My God. Ron is acting like a 12 year old. I’m surprised he hasn’t started a cult yet. I hear there’s an available plot of land near Waco. I like some of his ideas, but he has rabid followers, not vocal supporters. That reminds me too much of Obama and turns me off.
  
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- Kupo
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 8:39pm
  OBAMAFORWARD_OVERTHECLIFF
  
  Where did Ron Paul ask for your vote? Oh that’s right, he didn’t. He simply said that he can’t endorse Romney.
  
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- West Coast Patriot
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 8:54pm
  Again, my posts are taking hours to post, if they show up at all. I have posted four replies two hours ago, and they are still not showing. The truth lives here?
  
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- Look4DBigPicture
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 9:05pm
  I used to like and respect Ron Paul, but he’s become a whiny old goat who annoys me. What does he think he’s accomplishing by saying these things a few weeks before an election? Makes no sense!
  
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- RLTW
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 9:08pm
  Friday 12 Oct.
  
  Location Reagan National airport: while eating breakfast I notice a young lady reading up on the VP debate, I ask her if she’s into politics, Her answer is not really, but she’s a democrat, I ask her if she knows who Van Jones Is because he’s only standing 15 ft away, her answer is who is he, I explain what a POS Van is as I wave to Van and wish him a good flight.
  
  Van comes over and says hello and introducing himself saying he felt good vibes from my nod and grin, I shake his hand all the while thinking what an evil POS.
  
  Point the Dem girl didn’t even know who he was, but like a zombie will still vote Dem.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 9:10pm
  i voted for G.W. Bush twice and now you are telling me that if i dont vote for another progressive – the socialism is all my fault. Screw you.
  
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- resme
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 9:11pm
  Over the last 3 Decades:
  20 years with Republican President
  12 years with Democratic President
  16 years with Republican Senate
  16 years with Democratic Senate
  
  14 years with Republican House
  18 years with Democratic House
  Spending continues and grows.
  Debt continues and grows.
  War continues and grows.
  Government Regulation continues and grows.
  Individual Freedoms END and SHRINK.
  
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- dealer@678
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 9:16pm
  Those crazy Paulestinians are out in force tonight.
  
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- Pucci
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 9:32pm
  I love it when Glenn rattles the ron paul crazy cage. oklahoma! oklahoma! oklahoma! oklahoma!!!!!!
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 9:34pm
  INDIE…wrote”Ron Paul stands on principle and Rand Paul infiltrates for power.” I say
  And the wheels go round and round…and the painted ponies go up and down
  We’re captive on a carrousel of time
  
  We can’t return, we can only look behind from where we came
  And go round and round and round in the circle game.
  
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- black9897
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 9:36pm
  @PATTY
  
  Do you honestly believe voting will save this country? If the system is broken and filled with people like Mitt and BO, then how do you expect it to be fixed by doing the same thing?
  
  You get so emotional over people supporting RP yet you support Romney who supports NDAA and the FED. You must understand that through US, the people, and non-violent non-cooperation is the only way any true change will occur. AT least we could all unite on ending the FED…right?
  
  It’s rather silly to attack RP for standing up for what is right. You try getting things done in a system where you’re alone and 99% of the people are nothing more than killers, thieves, and liars.
- WAKEUPUSA2012
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 9:37pm
  If any of you think a “republican” who is backed by goldman sachs like the other 90% of politicans are going to save anything, think again. Hes done nothing but try and fight the Fed PAT, the banks have conqured this country. You dopnt even know why the country needs saving. You are in this false left, right paradigm. Truth is centeral bankers are trying to take over the world, ameriKa is their plan.
  
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- resme
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 9:37pm
  Mitt Romney Barack Obama
  ___________ ____________
  Pro NDAA Pro NDAA
  Pro Patriot ACT Pro Patriot ACT
  Pro Agenda 21 Pro Agenda 21
  Pro TSA Pro TSA
  Pro Carbon Tax Pro Carbon Tax
  Pro Mandate Pro Mandate
  Pro Abortion Pro Abortion
  Pro War Pro War
  Pro Torture Pro Torture
  Pro Assassination Pro Assassination
  Pro Drone Strikes Pro Drone Strikes
  Pro Foreign Aid Pro Foreign Aid
  Pro Drug War Pro Drug War
  Pro Banker Bailout Pro Banker Bailout
  Pro Federal Reserve Pro Federal Reserve
  Pro IRS and IMF Pro IRS and IMF
  Pro NAFTA Pro NAFTA
  Pro Gun Grab Pro Gun grab
  Pro Corporatism Pro Corporatism
  Pro NA Union Pro NA Union
  
  ____________________________________________
  
  Both funded by Goldman Sachs
  
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- RepubliCorp
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 9:43pm
  They cancel the Alex Jones reruns in Texas so the Old Kook decided to make some noise. A 30yr on the dole hack that became a millionare in office with 10 yrs of racist newsletters, now being sold as the pillar of truth……… laughable
  
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- VaARNG_Guardsman
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 9:44pm
  The Ryan budget doesn’t balance the budget for 10 to 30 years!!!!! Ron Paul was the only candidate that really believes in American exceptional-ism!!!! I’d rather vote for Ron Paul, but I’m voting for Romney cause Obama has to go!!!! Love you Ron Paul, keeping preaching the truth!!!!
  
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- HappyStretchedThin
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 9:49pm
  @Dissent
  Ron Paul’s essentially a liar.
  He CLAIMS he wants to change things radically so that they come more in line with the Constitution. On this much, I’ll agree with you he’s made a difference to the DEBATE WITHIN the Republican party. Why is he a liar then? Because someone who WANTS to make change, has to WIN POWER and CONVINCE people to make the changes he wants.
  Ron Paul is now actively trying to convince people to REJECT Romney in favor of Libertarian purism. Which means he’s actively trying to hand POWER over to Obama.
  If he REALLY wanted to make HIS changes, he would try to keep POWER OUT of the current POTUS’s hands.
  If he REALLY wanted to make HIS changes, he’d write a SINGLE bill in 20 years that his fellow Congressmen could vote FOR, instead of figuratively yelling at his pulpit that all of them are agents of the devil and that he’s the only one that can see the world right-side-up.
  You see, Paullowers like you love principles, UNTIL they need POWER to implement them. Then, you’re lost. You don’t understand that it takes POWER to implement change, and that the principled use of POWER for GOOD is a GOOD THING.
  You’d rather shave off what’s already likely to be a slim margin because Romney’s only 99.9% libertarian.
  Beck’s right. Heck, even Lehrer proved at the debate that there are KEY differences.
  Stop cutting off your nose to spite your face.
  Stop throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
  Stop withholding your support.
  
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- dissentnow
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 9:50pm
  If the republicans would stop spending like drunken liberals, then maybe people would stop comparing them to liberals.
  
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- booger71
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 9:52pm
  Ron always rails against the same party and same bankers who got him elected for almost 3 decades. If he had any honesty, he would have ran a 3rd party ticket for Congress for all those years. He is more vain than Nobama
  
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- muffythetuffy
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 9:52pm
  AMERICA IS OVER AS YOU KNOW IT, GET USE TO IT.
  
  The GOP Elites prefer Obama to a Conservative TEA supported candidate. The GOP really wants to wait till 2016 so they can elect Jeb Bush and the Democrats will choose Hillary Clinton. The GOP made a deal with the Democrats that the Democrats can rule the nation if the GOP is given a seat at the table of power next to the Black Caucus and the Rainbow Coalition. America as you once knew it is gone and will be gradually converted into a pseudo-Soviet province of China. The National Debt cannot and never will be paid off and the Cost of Government along with the ever increasing interest on the loans is un-sustainable. The Debt will be paid off with imaginary money. Does the Government really have to have any money.
  
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- black9897
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 9:58pm
  @HAPPY
  
  Because he doesn’t compromise means he’s a liar? No, you are very wrong on “winning power” he has done something much greater than win power; he has passed on his message to the people (which are all that matters). It’s the power of the people as I stated in another post. You don’t have to ask for freedom or elect someone to make real change or to do what you know is right.
  
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- muffythetuffy
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 9:59pm
  RON PAUL MIGHT MAKE A FIRST PRESIDENT OF A BREAKAWAY NEW US REPUBLIC
  
  This New Breakaway Republic would provide a homeland here in North America to people who are dedicated to Liberty and Freedom. Maybe a Parliamentary form of the failed decayed remnant we now have. If Senators were not elected but appointed the system may have worked as designed but it didn’t. Nothing lasts for ever.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 10:00pm
  So none of you GOP lapdogs are ever going to answer if voiding 3 amendments in annual defense spending bill is conservative? It’s kind of a checkmate kind of question, and you clowns know it. Have some balls you socialist security collecting socialist haters.
  
  And for whoever said that Romney is 99.9% Libertarian, YOU’RE THE ONE THAT’S HIGH. He isn’t slightly Libertarian. Neither is GB.
  
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- dissentnow
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 10:11pm
  @Happy
  
  Again, Ron Paul has been able to change the conversation from within. We wouldn’t be talking about the monetary system or the federal reserve or even the gold standard if it wasn’t for him. He’s moved the dialogue within the party further to the right and, in doing so, he’s moved the party further to the right.
  Now as far as libertarian purism goes, Paul is not a purist. For that matter, neither is the current libertarian party, itself. Paul, like myself, is pro life. That puts us at odds with many in the libertarian party.
  And while we are talking about the libertarian party, where did you come up with “Romney’s only 99.9% libertarian.” Maybe its just me, but i don’t think that Romney even registers on the libertarian scale, much less 99.9%
  
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- dealer@678
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 10:27pm
  These Ron Paul crazies seem to hover over their computer and wait for their Messiah to speak
  
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- roughlyright
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 10:31pm
  I think Ron Paul is a complete nut case. He should quit the Republican Party, form his own outfit and seek votes on that platform. Or the Republicans should kick him out. No point in having a lunatic in the party raving and ranting after he was soundly defeated.
  
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- PoliticiansRCrooks
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 10:33pm
  When are we going to change people? Why do we keep choosing what the media tells u and this stupid One Party System. Even if their is a difference between the two. Their is not much of a difference. We need to stand up for our selves. Stop letting the Powers that be choose your President. We choose.
  
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- RonPaulOrNoOne
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 10:37pm
  @SKL25 – Blame our selves? Because we voted for some that stood by the Constitution? Wow. Blame your self for voting Romney and continuing the same agenda. Blame your self!
  
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- RonPaulOrNoOne
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 10:38pm
  @dealer@678 – Messiah? Hmm I wonder what Romney is to you. All I hear is Romney Romney Romney Romney on TV. I guess he is your Messiah.
  
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- LibertyOrDeath12
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 10:40pm
  @dealer@678 – Koolaid Drinkers. LOL. Seems to me that the only Koolaid Drinkers are these Mormons that think they can own their own planet and become God, have sex with many wives and wear magic under wear pants. Who really is drinking the kool aid?
  
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- Kupo
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 10:45pm
  HAPPY
  
  “Romney’s only 99.9% libertarian”
  
  Oh my Lord, please tell me you’re joking. Romney, a libertarian? LMAO
  
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- Trenaway
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 10:47pm
  You Ron Paul cultist freakjobs, need to go away and I mean out of the country you HATE so much!!!! NO TO THE CHURCH OF RON PAUL CULTIST FREAKS!!!!!!!!!
  
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- Individualism
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 10:48pm
  Romney is a fascist not a libertarian. he is more fascist than Obama.
- WAKEUPUSA2012
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 10:56pm
  You stay classy Trenaway
  
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- Ballot_Box_Revolution
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 10:56pm
  Just as much as the Paul bashers….lol
  
  But anyways……DON’T WRITE IN PAUL!!!!! as much as I want to do that…it is impossible legally for a write in candidate to win!!! Some states don’t even count them.
  
  Vote Gary Johnson if you have any hopes for a 3rd party win….if it is just a protest vote and you don’t care then fine write him in….I am hoping for a win even though i don’t see it happening. All the GOP sheep are going to hand the win to Obama….
  
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- dissentnow
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 10:58pm
  @Dealer
  “These Ron Paul crazies seem to hover over their computer and wait for their Messiah to speak”
  
  Just like you guys hover over your computer and wait to bash him anytime a story about him appears. Stupidity is a two-way street.
  
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- HappyConservative
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 11:03pm
  Thanks Blaze for posting this. Really? You must know that Paulbots are pretty much Obama supporters. They hate the fact that Romney won the nomination so much that they are OK with their wives and daughters wearing Burkas and all of America being under Sharia law. There is a VAST difference between Barry and Mitt Romney…Why did you post this? You just riled their Romney hatred up. Ron Paul supporters are NOT our friend!!!!!!
  
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- Ballot_Box_Revolution
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 11:07pm
  @happy
  Well that is kinda mean and unhappy…
  
  You are our friends, you just haven’t figured it out yet….
  
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- dissentnow
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 11:09pm
  @Trenaway
  No one with a Ronald Reagan profile pic should ever complain about other people worshiping a politican in a cult-like manner. The GOP Reagan worship and revisionism gives the Ron Paul worship a run for its money.
  
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- huufarted
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 11:12pm
  I have been a Ron Paul fan for years but his wining is wearing a little on me. If he really feels this way why was he a Republican all these years instead of taking a risk and starting a 3rd party that would havbe benefited us all. My take on that question is that he wanted the same office they all do and is now bawling he didnt get his run at the Presidency he wanted at the end of his career so he is peeing in the soup.
  
  Im not a Ron Paul fan anymore for that exact reason. Simply put he is all Horn and no Drive Shaft or he would have been an Independent long ago…
  
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- HappyConservative
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 11:15pm
  Paulbots – I just want to throttle them – They are hardcore Democrat Liberals in sheep’s clothing -BLAZE please don’t give them any more time. Here is one example of an individual who is clearly UNAWARE of the fact that the Obama adminstration is in bed with the Muslim Brotherhood. They complain about to horrors of – God forbid – ROMNEY. Wait till you wife and daughters are forced to wear burkas and succomb to radical islam if Obama wins election, you Ron PAUL haters. Choose wisely here.
  
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- guns-an-bibles
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 11:24pm
  in some ways– he and President Obama represent the same “one-party system.”
  
  Are you forgetting mr. Odumdum is leaning more toward marxism? Once we become a socialist county do you think the federal reserve will be our biggest problem? They are not the same people. Which one do you honestly think is the lesser of two evils? Your vote will say it all.
  
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- Individualism
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 11:25pm
  stop hating on muslims you racist radical christian nutjobs there not doing a thing to this country. i think you gotta worry about cops getting you than them.
  
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- ljjkj
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 11:29pm
  Even after listening to the full audio of the Mother Jones, Romney “expose” and his comments regarding the Federal Reserve, do you honestly still believe that?
  
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- HappyConservative
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 11:31pm
  Please please I BEG – this is the most important election of our modern times. It will decide whether America will remain the same great country she is -or as Obama has promised- and will – be reduced to a socialist country and changed forever. Socialism has NEVER worked in history. People you only have 2 choices in this election. A vote for Johnson or a write-in for Ron Paul is only a vote for Obama.Also, Obama supports the muslim brotherhood so again, a vote for anyone other than Romney is a vote for obama. Do you want to see see your daughters wearing burkas and being forced to succomb to men 30 years their senior? Think about the ramifications here. Or it is on every Ron Paul’s person’s hands who chose to be selfish like the old man and didn’t think about the greater good of America. I pray for you.
  
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- black9897
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 11:32pm
  @HAPPYCONSERVATIVE
  
  That’s absurd. Those who are bashing people who support RP fail to understand that it doesn’t matter if one wants to take away more freedom such as “making your wife wear a burka..which btw, only could happen if you LET them. BOTH don’t want you to have freedom, so you seem to think its ok to take someone who wants violate less of your rights? Like that makes any sense. Is that a band aid? Maybe..but long term it makes no difference. I don’t want band aid after band aid.
  
  Ron Paul wont’ be running again, the height of his support is now. We need to all come together and support his message and at least agree to bring down the FED. We must ride the wave while it is at its peak.
  
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- resme
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 11:39pm
  You are 8 times more likely to be killed by a police officer than by a terrorist
  
  Here’s the article http://www.theweeklyconstitutional.com/news/headlines/773-cop-more-likely-to-kill-you-than-terrorists
  
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- dissentnow
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 11:42pm
  @Happy
  “Here is one example of an individual who is clearly UNAWARE of the fact that the Obama adminstration is in bed with the Muslim Brotherhood”
  
  Just like you are an individual who is clearly unaware that Romney (as well as Obama) supports the Al Qaeda rebels in Syria.
  
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- tradexpertbuysell
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 11:42pm
  You sir wield that word “traitor” like a 4 year old that finds his dad’s loaded pistol. Even Obama is entitled to a fair trial.
  
  Romney’s name is still clean until actions prove otherwise.
  
  GROW UP!
  
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- Individualism
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 11:44pm
  your going to have Gary Johnson or Barrack Obama as your next president. Obama can be at most 4 years less if you get mad and start revolution or do what iceland did. Gary Johnson could be after the revolution. Romney sucks and to many people in the gop realize and will not vote for him. next time choose someone who is atleast different from the person running and win fairly and not through cheating and committing felonies. maybe 4 more years if a fitting punishment for you folks.
  
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- SquareHead
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 11:45pm
  Either I will write in Ron Paul or vote for Gary Johnson. I am waiting to see how the next few weeks, play out.
  
  The R3VOLUTION continues……
  
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- dissentnow
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 11:47pm
  @Happy
  “Obama supports the muslim brotherhood so again, a vote for anyone other than Romney is a vote for obama”
  
  Again, Romney supports arming the Al Qaeda rebels in Syria.
  
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- CuriousCat
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 11:52pm
  Either I will write in Ron Paul or vote for Gary Johnson. I am waiting to see how the next few weeks, play out.
  
  The R3VOLUTION continues……
  
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- resme
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 11:53pm
  “Romney’s name is still clean until actions prove otherwise.”
  
  In 2004, as governor, he signed a permanent assault weapons ban into law in Massachusetts. The law included other elements welcomed by gun-rights supporters, but Mr. Romney defended the assault weapons provision on its own merits.
  
  “I believe the people should have the right to bear arms, but I don’t believe that we have to have assault weapons as part of our personal arsenal,” he said on Fox News in 2004.
  
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- HappyStretchedThin
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 11:56pm
  @Black
  I’m not impugning the man’s good intentions or his integrity at refusing to compromise his principles. Credit where credit is due: Paul’s a stalwart, and a good friend of conservatives for his NEVER voting for tax raises, for example. It’s his RESULTS that put his philosophy to the lie. He’s a liar by omission. What do you call a person who claims things need change, but won’t do what it takes to change them? What do you call a a lawyer who takes every case to court instead of making plea deals? What do you call a doctor who won’t prescribe risky medication because of a side-effect even though the potential benefit is overwhelming? What do you call a player who gets dressed up for the game, but won’t take his turn on the field because he thinks both teams aren’t playing by the rules?
  He doesn’t REALLY want change, he just wants attention.
  Standing up for what’s right is good. Convincing someone to stand with you is better. Getting elected and proposing positive legislation that PEER legislators can vote for is what Paul SHOULD have done to stay honest to his stated goals. He didn’t.
  As for power to the people, have you read the Constitution? The people vote. That’s their power. Don’t throw it away.
  @Dissent,
  Paul changed the debate WHEN and ONLY when he CHANGED PARTIES. Lesson: when you get over your PURISM, you can FURTHER your PRINCIPLES. Even Paul needs a big tent, otherwise his ideas die.
  
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- resme
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 12:00am
  “I will work with our partners to identify and organize those members of the opposition who share our values and ensure they obtain the arms they need to defeat Assad’s tanks, helicopters, and fighter jets.” ~ Mitt Romney Oct 9th 2012
  
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- dissentnow
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 12:04am
  @gunsanbibles
  
  We’re not going to become a socialist country anytime soon and when, and if, we do it will happen because the federal reserve enabled it.
  
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- HappyStretchedThin
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 12:06am
  @Individualism,
  Conservatism and Libertarianism are 99.9% alike in the same way that I claim Romney is 99.9% libertarian.
  People who believe that liberty needs constant defense, that it comes with responsibility, and that only limited government can guarantee such freedoms are both Conservative and Libertarian (but NOT liberal). The 0.1% difference comes from the fact that ONLY Conservatives can make accurate cost-benefit assessments and choose the better of two candidates.
  Oh, and Conservatives also generally don’t stroke their own egos by calling everyone else dupes of the “one-party system” because we’re capable of seeing clear distinctions between the two parties that are in it to win it, and understand that winning power actually MEANS something to the furtherance of our goals.
  p.s. You have NO CLUE about what slavery consists of if you think Americans are living in such a state today. They should have more freedom, yes, but you’re incredibly naive if you think there’s a place in the with more freedom and opportunity. Maybe travel somewhere sometime.
  
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- PoliticiansRCrooks
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 12:06am
  @HappyConservative – I am getting so sick and tired of you so called Blaze Conservatives telling me I am for Obama. I never voted for the man . EVER! I voted for your beloved McCain that lost and looked pathetic just like Romney. Do me a favor and get your facts straight before you start blurting lies.
  
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- iDeStroyFakeComPuterTroLLS
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 12:12am
  All of us Ron Paul Supporters are Pot Head, unemployed in the basement with their moms type of people. LOL. I really find that so childish and stupid. If your a grown man saying that on the internet than I feel sorry for you. Every RP supporter I knew worked for a living. And the whole Pot Head thing is so childish too. I know Neo Cons who smoked Marijuana. I never done drugs in my life and met a ton of RP Supporters that never took drugs. Second, your a hypocrite because Drinking and Pill Popping kills more people. Marijuana never killed any body. So you can keep drinking your poison you call Alcohol and go get your brainwashing pills from your doctor too while your at it.
  
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- LibertyOrDeath12
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 12:15am
  So The GOP cheats the whole election, Steals votes away from Ron Paul and than changes the ruling at the Convention so they can control every delegate on the floor while they chanted USA USA. And you expect Ron Paul to endorse Romney. Seriously that is comical. To see you so called conservatives chant USA USA was sickening. Did they even know what just happened? Pretty much election fraud. Your vote don’t count. They control you. That sickened me and I hope Romney loses so I can come back here and laugh and Chant USA USA when Romney gets cheated by Obama in Spain.
  
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- dissentnow
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 12:20am
  @Happystretchedthin
  
  “Paul changed the debate WHEN and ONLY when he CHANGED PARTIES”
  
  He changed the debate while running for the republican nomination, while serving as a republican congressman. The same crowds that sat still and indifferent while he talked about the federal reserve and monetary policy back in 2007/2008 cheered him on for talking about those topics in 2011/2012. He changed the debate without having to change parties. Now, if you want to go back to 1988, that’s a different story
  
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- tradexpertbuysell
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 12:23am
  I know what Paul is trying to say. That most are progressives and letting things like the Fed and the influence of the Wilson still dominate our governmental system to this day. However, right now that statement is ill timed and easily misunderstood to mean that he sees no difference between Romney and Obama personally. I’m sure that isn’t what he really meant. We’re polarized enough without continuing down that Satanic road. It’s time to unite and dig Wilson’s corpse up now and feed it to the crows and the dogs and get on with what the Constitution clearly means and p on the case studies that the Wilson got universities going on as a distraction from what this land really is all about.
  
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- Wool-Free Vision
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 12:26am
  I just can’t understand why people think Paulistinians are leftist nutjobs… Let’s review.
  
  From THIS VERY THREAD:
  
  Ilikepeople
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:15pm
  I am put his finger on Ron Paul, and told him to get himself up there to Washington?
  
  endgamer
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:17pm
  Millions of us are writing him in and making copies.
  
  Ilikepeople
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:20pm
  Romney is a double side player, and that’s why Bain Capital gave money to the Obama Campaign.
  
  Individualism
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:21pm
  if he would have won fairly that would be a different situation but him and his folks cheated their way and also hes a felon
  
  Individualism
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:26pm
  anybody but Obama voters are ignorant racists and nothing more.
  
  justangry
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 8:16pm
  If the Libertarian Party gets 5% of the vote we’ll never have to deal with the two (correction) one party system every again.
  
  SgtB
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 8:30pm
  I would rather win another 4 years, ultimately bringing about a violent revolution to split up the U.S or recast our metal into a new democratic republic
  
  muffythetuffy
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 9:52pm
  The GOP made a deal with the Democrats that the Democrats can rule the nation if the GOP is given a seat at the table of power next to the Black Caucus and the Rainbow Coalition.
  
  Continues…
  
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- Wool-Free Vision
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 12:27am
  muffythetuffy
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 9:52pm
  RON PAUL FIRST PRESIDENT OF A BREAKAWAY NEW US REPUBLIC
  
  LibertyOrDeath12
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 10:40pm
  Seems to me that the only Koolaid Drinkers are these Mormons
  
  Individualism
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 10:48pm
  Romney is more fascist than Obama.
  
  Ballot_Box_Revolution
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 10:56pm
  Vote Gary Johnson… All the GOP sheep are going to hand the win to Obama….
  
  dissentnow
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 11:09pm
  The GOP Reagan worship and revisionism gives the Ron Paul worship a run for its money.
  
  Individualism
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 11:25pm
  stop hating on muslims you racist radical christian nutjobs there not doing a thing to this country.
  
  resme
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 11:39pm
  You are 8 times more likely to be killed by a police officer than by a terrorist
  
  dissentnow
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 11:42pm
  Romney supports Al Qaeda
  
  Individualism
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 11:44pm
  your going to have Gary Johnson or Barrack Obama as your next president.
  
  PoliticiansRCrooks
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 12:04am
  I hope their is a civil war.
  ………………………….
  
  Nah, no nuttiness or extremism here, right guys?
  
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- justangry
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 12:28am
  @Happy Libertarians and “conservatives” are VERY VERY far apart. You have more in common with the Liberals than you do us. Man, I can’t believe we Libertarians are accused of smoking dope.
  
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- brianemcfarlane
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 12:44am
  If you really believe that what makes you think it will be different in 4 years? Mitt will win anyway and than we will have 8 years of him anyway.
  
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- PoliticiansRCrooks
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 12:47am
  Well maybe I miss word it. I really don’t hope for a Civil War but it sure looks like it could happen. I really feel sorry for you Conservatives being brainwashed by Beck. Beck got ya! He won. He deceived you all. I used to be a Beck follower. But I found out he sells out. He gives up in Principles. He turned his back on us by choosing Romney. All that FED talk must have been a load of BS from him.
  
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- LibertyOrDeath12
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 12:52am
  Why don’t these people stop asking Ron Paul if he will endorse Romney because he won’t. That is like selling out all of his beliefs and making him look like a hypocrite. He won’t, face it. Face it, that Rand Paul don’t care about Romney either. He endorsed just for the game of politics. He is young and could very well surprise you Neo Cons if we have a future.
  
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- LibertyOrDeath12
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 12:54am
  @Crooks – That is why Beck told every one to not bring signs to his Restoring Honor Rally. Because lots of people were Ron Paul Supporters. I was there too. I was talking with a ton of Ron Paul Supporters. He wanted nobody to bring signs so he can manipulate and take over the crowd.
  
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- iDeStroyFakeComPuterTroLLS
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 12:55am
  Beck voting Romney because he is Mormon. That is it.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 12:57am
  @Wool, What’s the definition of insanity again?… Oh yeah doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. But, yeah we’re nuts.
  
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- RonPaulOrNoOne
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 12:59am
  The only nut jobs I see are these Neo Cons promoting war and not declaring too. I see that as being nutty. How would like you like if Chinese Soldiers were walking up and down your street while Drones were dropping bombs on your nearby homes. I see that as being crazy.
  
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- HappyStretchedThin
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 1:09am
  @Dissent,
  Actually I was referencing the 88 run, and continuing support for libertarian candidates and other 3rd party mistakes (Is Wikipedia correct that he actually said he supported Cynthia McKinney and Ralph Nader?)
  He’s been talking about the fed for a lot longer than 4 years. Going off the gold standard during Nixon is his stated reason for getting into politics.
  He just recognized early on that his ideas don’t get play unless one of the two major parties sees him as a player. He’s always known the Libertarians can’t win, but they CAN gain momentum with Republicans.
  Why he won’t endorse the party that MORE CLOSELY espouses his principles, constitutes his idiocy.
  @JustAngry
  I realize I’m wrestling with the proverbial muddy pig here, but why don’t you articulate some actual REASONS why you think Conservatives are liberal (umm, kinda impossible by definition, no?) and Libertarians have very little in common with Conservatives. What about freedom, responsibility and limited government is NOT Conservative?
  Or are you one of those people that has “special” definitions for things.
  
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- ObamaForward_OverTheCliff
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 1:14am
  justangry – “If the Libertarian Party gets 5% of the vote we’ll never have to deal with the two (correction) one party system every again.”
  
  Totally sympathize!
  From what I see, it’s ANYONE-BUT-OBAMA. And from what I see, if ROMNEY-CAN’T-NO-ONE-CAN. With Obama using the last four years to pay-off 47% of Americans, and with Republicans almost as Progressives(communists)-compromised as the Democrats, there are just not enough PATRIOTS in America to elect anyone else.
  
  We simply must slow it down. We need more time. Civil war can happen any time (so be prepared). But let’s try the less bloody path first.
  
  Personally, I wouldn’t mind hearing that the military followed Ripley’s advise on a full session of Washington DC (“smells like … victory” — to mix a few movie metaphors):
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2s1MspmfEwg
  
  Problem is, the military has been compromised, too. So, it’s up to us as individual Americans, either way.
  
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- dissentnow
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 1:14am
  @Wool
  You took one of my comments out of context and you lied about the other one. My exact comment was “Romney (as well as Obama) supports the Al Qaeda rebels in Syria”. You claimed that i said “Romney supports Al Qaeda”. You are a dishonest person. Shame on you.
  
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- Kupo
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 1:22am
  Happy, if you honestly think that Romney is in favor of limited government then you are living in a fantasy land.
  
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- Wool-Free Vision
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 1:23am
  I have very good news for my fellow Tea Party Conservatives.
  
  Rest easy, and be of good cheer! It has become clear in this thread that we aren’t really losing any votes to the Ross Perot of 2012. Here’s why:
  
  There are basically 3 major factions who make up the Tea Party. First, there’s me and you, the Tea Party Conservatives, who want to take back the GOP and vote out the RiNO’s to bring the ship of our precious Republic back on course. We are all going to vote Romney because we know what is at stake, and the choice is more clear and obvious than it has been since 1980, maybe ever.
  
  Next you have the Libertarian faction, who wouldn’t vote for Romney or any other Republican anyway. If not for Ron Paul, the vast majority of this faction would be either staying home and getting stoned on election day OR MAYBE would come out to vote for Gary Johnson. No votes lost to this bunch.
  
  Finally, you have the real nuts, the disillusioned ex-Democrats and the Code Pink types. Folks like this used to be in the tank for the DNC nominee because Ben Affleck, Morgan Freeman, Bruce Springsteen, and NBC Nightly News told them to be. Many of these dems are only disillusioned because the DNC wanted them to vote for a black guy, and there is no way in hell they’re doing that.
  
  So, be happy! As you can see in this thread, these people were never going to vote for the RNC nominee anyway, and a good many of them would actually be voting Dem.
  
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- ObamaForward_OverTheCliff
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 1:28am
  Kupo – “[Ron Paul] simply said that he can’t endorse Romney.”
  
  In this election, that’s an Obama win (see my previous post).
  
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- dissentnow
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 1:29am
  @Happystretchedthin
  
  He held a press conference in support of the third party movement. He invited several candidates from various alternative parties, including people and platforms that he did not agree with ( McKinney and Nader included ). He endorsed Chuck Baldwin, as did many of us libertarians who were angry that the libertarian party selected Bob Barr as their candidate.
  
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- smokeysmoke
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 1:31am
  its funny ron paul is advocating the 1 party ron paul system… funny he thinks others to level out to him
  
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- statutoryape
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 1:32am
  As soon as I saw this story pop up, I avoided it like that plague because I already knew the usual suspects would show up to support their white supremacist cult leader. I’m not getting involved except for:
  
  @Wool – you’re exactly right about Ron Paul supporters. Excellent list of names and quotes. They’re fanatics.
  
  @Black – I agree with your posts on this issue. You’re a smart guy/gal.
  
  ok, that is all I wanted to say. I’m not getting involved. time to bounce.
  
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- Wool-Free Vision
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 1:33am
  dissentnow
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 1:14am
  
  @Wool
  You took one of my comments out of context and you lied about the other one. My exact comment was “Romney (as well as Obama) supports the Al Qaeda rebels in Syria”. You claimed that i said “Romney supports Al Qaeda”. You are a dishonest person. Shame on you.
  ………………………….
  
  Tit-for-tat, DissentNow:
  
  Romney said:
  “I will work with our partners to identify and organize those members of the opposition who share our values”
  You said:
  “Romney supports arming the Al Qaeda rebels”
  
  You are a dishonest person. Shame on you.
  
  See how that works? You damned hypocrite.
  
  By the way, the reason I edited AT ALL was an attempt to fit all the nuttiness into a single post. I failed miserably, because there was just too much of it.
  
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- dissentnow
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 1:36am
  @Patty
  
  “PS 90% of the NASTY posters on this thread are PAULBOTS”
  
  Have you read the posts on this thread? The vast majority of the “NASTY” posts are coming from the anti-Paul crowd.
  
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- West Coast Patriot
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 1:40am
  You guys just do not get it yet. It is not just Paul supporters that Romney and the RNC lost, they lost many Tea Party Independents from their brazen rule changes against the voices of the people at the convention. You guys are the ones that are blinded by a handful of establishment reporters and YOU will deserve what you get and we will not be to blame. You are the ones that are too selfish to give up your materialistic possessions in order to save our grandchildren pain. You have been duped into thinking that Romney is the savior? Nobody is the savior, not even Ron Paul could save us from the pain we MUST go through, you guys are just going to lose our Republic in the process. You all should be ashamed of yourselves.
  
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- ObamaForward_OverTheCliff
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 1:43am
  West Coast Patriot – “Again, my posts are taking hours to post, if they show up at all. I have posted four replies two hours ago, and they are still not showing. The truth lives here?”
  
  Actually, it’s TheBlaze’s word-checker that’s the problem. If it find “forbidden words”, even inside other legitimate words (how stupid is that, right?), it just drops the whole post without so much as a “tsk, tsk, tsk”!
  
  For example, if you have the word “docúment”, the auto-censor will reject the post because it finds the word “cúm” inside the word “docúment”. You can over-ride that nonsense by inserting a “ú” for the “u” and thereby circúmventing their spell-checker (and the only way to post this message).
  
  Use the Windows “Character Map” utility to grab such a look-alike character.
  
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- dissentnow
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 1:46am
  @Stat
  
  Lets not talk about a “white supremacist cult” and Romney in the same sentence. People might think that i’m Mormon bashing ( i kid the Mormons……..you guys aren’t racist…….anymore…….).
  
  Also, you cheer on Wool even after i proved that he is a liar. Doesn’t speak highly of you.
  
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- Wool-Free Vision
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 1:52am
  DissentNow, still calling me a liar even after I showed who was the real liar? You are beyond the pale.
  
  How can you split hairs here? Is there really a difference between the lie that “Romney supports the Al Qaeda rebels” and “Romney supports Al Qaeda?” THEY ARE BOTH LIES AND THEY MEAN THE SAME THING YOU TWIT!
  
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- american1st
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 1:53am
  Cut out the middle-man: Write in Goldman-Sachs!
  
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- dissentnow
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 1:56am
  @Wool
  
  Actually, i never quoted Romney and the quote that you cited from Romeny was not the basis for my quote.
  You quoted me falsely.There is a BIG difference. You selectively edited out the part of my quote where i criticized Obama because it didn’t fit your narrative about Paul supporters being liberals. That’s the difference. Your ARE a liar and i stand by that comment.
  
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- chalkdust
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 1:57am
  Yes, let’s just stay home….or write in your favorite …..candidate and re-elect Obama. Sounds like a winning plan.
  
  If you can’t see the self evident difference in Obama and Romney….you are stupid. Very stupid.
  
  Ron Paul should have run as an independent or, here’s a novel idea, in the Libertarian Party. But noooo, he had to run on the Republican ticket and now every vote for him helps Obama’s chances.
  
  If you can’t see what’s at stake in this election, there is no hope for you. If you understand how a republic works and are pro freedom, this election day should be a no-brainier for you. Why did you morons have to wait until this VERY CRITICAL election to cause such problems? WHY? Never mind I don’t want to hear the non-sense.
  
  And I thought Obama appealed to the lowest common denominator. Clearly I was wrong about that.
  
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- Wool-Free Vision
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 1:59am
  Woops, I accidentally left out a word which doesn’t change the lie one bit, so let me requote you to avoid being called a liar by a liar:
  
  How can you split hairs here? Is there really a difference between the lie that “Romney supports ARMING the Al Qaeda rebels” and “Romney supports Al Qaeda?” THEY ARE BOTH LIES AND THEY MEAN THE SAME THING YOU NUT!
  
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- dissentnow
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 2:04am
  @Wool
  
  “Romney supports the Al Qaeda rebels” and “Romney supports Al Qaeda?” THEY ARE BOTH LIES AND THEY MEAN THE SAME THING YOU TWIT”
  
  Are you denying that the rebels in Syria are Al Qaeda? I bet you thought that the rebels in Egypt were just peacful students that wanted freedom and democracy and not the Muslim Brotherhood, right?
  How about the rebels in Libya? They weren’t Al Qaeda either, right? Our government would never arm and support Al Qaeda, right? Who is the twit, again?
  
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- american1st
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 2:05am
  F: On its world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people.
  A: Odd, I thought you said it was a democracy.
  F: I did. It is.
  A: So why don’t the people get rid of the lizards?
  F: It honestly doesn’t occur to them. They’ve all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they’ve voted in more or less approximates to the government they want.
  A: You mean they actually vote for the lizards?
  F: Oh yes, of course.
  A: But why?
  F: Because if they didn’t vote for a lizard, the wrong lizard might get in.
  
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- Wool-Free Vision
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 2:06am
  dissentnow
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 1:56am
  
  Actually, i never quoted Romney
  ……………….
  
  EXACTLY my point.
  
  ……………….
  
  “and the quote that you cited from Romeny was not the basis for my quote.”
  ……………….
  
  Then perhaps you would like to share with us all what IS the basis for your quote, which wasn’t really a quote, which I apparently lied about, even though I really didn’t.
  
  Looking forward to more backpedaling, squirming, hypocrisy, dishonesty, and projecting from you, you lovable little Paulistinian.
  
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- Wool-Free Vision
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 2:22am
  This thread was almost as much fun as those good old groovy potatoes:
  http://youtu.be/QrW727WFVJ0
  
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- chalkdust
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 2:23am
  I know exactly what some of you have been infected with: Alex Jones. I can spot that non-sense in your posts and you know who you are.
  
  Stop drinking his koolaid it will distort your view of reality. Listen to him, be entertained but for crying out loud not everything is a “false flag” and the police are not out to get you.
  
  Yes, Individualism, radical Islam is a threat. It’s not a false flag like your dear leader tells you. You cannot seem to realize that not all Muslims are radical just like all cops are not bad. In fact bad cops are out there but they are the exception not the rule. Same with Muslims, a very small percentage of Muslims are radicalized. But we are talking hundreds of thousands out of a billion Muslims that are highly motivated. And if you think police officers are more dangerous, again as if all police are bad, than radical Islam you are cognitively deficient and quite frankly, DANGEROUS!
  
  Do you people just swallow everything Alex Jones feeds you?
  
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- justangry
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 2:24am
  @Happy, I already spelled it out. Scroll down to my Ayn Rand quote.
  
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- JACKTHETOAD
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 2:27am
  @SOYBOMB 1st comment – DING.
  
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- HappyStretchedThin
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 3:05am
  @JustAngry
  Your “spelling it out” amounts to a whole lotta accusation, very little actual argumentation. In other words, you’re projecting when you say Conservatives have a philosophy based on faith, not reason. You’re OWN style of arguing is based almost solely on beliefs with nothing to back them up.
  But let’s look at it: Conservatives think gay marriage and policing vice are more important than the bill of rights? (which is your ONLY concrete example)
  First thing, I don’t accept your premise: Conservatives fight for the bill of rights vehemently, and frequently. You owe talk radio to them. Just because we also think there’s a moral basis to society and that it’s also worth fighting for to have families remain the core unit of society, for families to be protected by law from the consequences of vices (are you SERIOUSLY going to claim drugs only hurt the imbiber?) doesn’t mean we think they have a higher priority than our freedom to worship, assemble, speak freely, bear arms, etc. You’re just delusional on that point.
  Second: Gay marriage and the policing of vices ARE bill of rights issues. If the fed govt begins endorsing gay marriage, you don’t think the first amendment will fly out the window if churches stand up against such an immoral law? Do you honestly think a free society can remain free long if it encourages immoral behavior? Vices have consequences, no? They uniformly restrict freedoms as part of their consequences. Society MUST discourage that.
  
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- dissentnow
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 3:14am
  There are many Romney quotes on this subject. Let’s take the one that you used.
  
  “In Syria, I will work with our partners to identify and organize those members of the opposition who share our values and ensure they obtain the arms they need to defeat Assad’s tanks, helicopters, and fighter jets.”
  
  So, he’s going to arm the rebels, right?
  Again, i’ll ask you; who are these rebels and are they Al Qaeda?
  If they are Al Qaeda, is he not, then, arming Al Qaeda?
  Have we not learned anything from Egypt? or Libya?
  
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- GB__The Holy Warmonger
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 3:23am
  Don’t waste your vote. Vote for the best person.
  
  1. Do what is right; the day-dawn is breaking,
  Hailing a future of freedom and light.
  Angels above us are silent notes taking
  Of ev’ry action; then do what is right!
  
  [Chorus]
  Do what is right; let the consequence follow.
  Battle for freedom in spirit and might;
  And with stout hearts look ye forth till tomorrow.
  God will protect you; then do what is right!
  
  2. Do what is right; the shackles are falling.
  Chains of the bondsmen no longer are bright;
  Lightened by hope, soon they’ll cease to be galling.
  Truth goeth onward; then do what is right!
  
  3. Do what is right; be faithful and fearless.
  Onward, press onward, the goal is in sight.
  Eyes that are wet now, ere long will be tearless.
  Blessings await you in doing what’s right!
  
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- justangry
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 4:04am
  @Happy, How are you standing up for the Bill of Rights by voting for people that have voted against them or have expressed support for dismantling them at every opportunity?
  
  I’m not projecting, I used a couple of arguments I’ve seen from the “conservatives”. According to them the Libertarians are wrong on vice, and foreign policy. However, nowhere in the Constitution does the federal government have the authority to police vice. Nowhere in the Constitution does the federal government have the authority to say anything pro or against gay marriage. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say it’s OK to take money from it’s citizenry and give it to foreign nation states. The Constitution is actually quite specific about who must declare wars. It does say we have certain rights outlined in the first ten amendments. However the conservatives have used a type of constitutionalism that has justified their religious altruism to impart THEIR morals on the rest of society while turning a blind eye to the state taking away our inalienable rights. Israel seems to be a source of contention. It’s religious altruism that has most of the religious right saying we should absolutely support Israel no matter what it does, which is a clear violation of the establishment clause. And quite frankly most conservatives agree that there needs to be some regulations on the market and some social programs. (Just not as much as the left wants) cont’d
  
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- Wool-Free Vision
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 4:08am
  dissentnow
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 3:14am
  
  There are many Romney quotes on this subject. Let’s take the one that you used.
  ……………..
  
  I think you had better find those other “many Romney quotes on this subject,” because the one I used (the one you claimed you DID NOT use) does NOT say what you are claiming it says – that is, unless you are trying to contend that Al Qaeda “share our values,” which is the absolute qualifier in his quote. You can twist the rest of his quote all you want to in order to try and make it fit your narrative, but it doesn’t work unless you reject and/or conveniently fail to recognize that very first part of his quote.
  
  The rest of your argument is rendered completely moot by the fact that Al Qaeda do not share our values.
  
  Furthermore, Syria and Egypt are completely different scenarios, just as Egypt and Iran were. Mubarak was not engaging in mass murder of his own people, as is Assad. And Obama was absolutely ass-backwards to get involved in the Arab Spring in Egypt, ESPECIALLY considering he refused to lift a finger to aid the Green Revolution in Iran.
  
  This dichotomy of Obama’s principles is a blatant example of who/what Obama is really all about.
  
  If our news media were not sycophantic DNC shills, they would have been screaming about this dichotomy from the rooftops, instead of pretending that the Arab Spring in Egypt was such a wonderful thing for all parties.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 4:41am
  In reality Libertarians believe conservatives views of constitutionalism are more consistent with the democrats than us. It’s progressive. The temperance movement, drug laws, and the agencies created to enforce them were all created when? How where they justified? Once Oliver Wendell Holmes dissents became a theory of constitutionalism the can of worms was open to, let’s say egregious misinterpretation of the commerce clause. Values voters of the progressive era actually teamed up with the social justice folks of the day. Today, the values voters pretty much control the right party while the social justice folks control the democrats, but you’re both progressive. You might not be “Fabian Socialists”, but your policies will eventually get us there or fascism or a hybrid of the two. It certainly won’t place the individual above the state. See, I really don’t think you know much about us or our philosophy, which is why I’m desperately wanting to part ways and push the Libertarian Party to get the same funding and ballots access you and your progressive sister party receive. Your party all kinds of corrupt as we’ve seen during the primaries and convention and it taking us to the same place the other party is, which is kind of what Ron Paul said.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 4:45am
  Rats! The Blaze’s Nazi moderators deleted my part two. You asked me to spell it out. I tried, but they don’t like it when I talk about constitutionalism and how they’re deranged progs too. So you’ll just have to figure it out on your own. Start with Justice’s Brandies and Holmes Jr.
  
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- KickinBack
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 6:09am
  I feel sorry for the Paulbots. If Romney wins, then it is a blow to their investment in underground bunkers, arms, and ammunition. Sorry Paulies…But conservative Americans will win through the will of the public domain. Not through some crazy, conspiratorial, end of the world scenario.
  
  Keep buying up your guns and ammo Paulies….There are only so many squirrels you can shoot…
  
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- guns-an-bibles
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 6:22am
  Bugs Bunny i a republican. Goofy is a Dummycrat.
  
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- KickinBack
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 6:25am
  Oh, and BTW, Gary Johnson isn’t on the ballot in my state (MI) Hope none of you Paulies are from here…But if you are, then Barack Obama is clearly on the ticket..Good alternative I say. (He may not crowd surf, but is a good substitute..:)
  
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- American2012
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 7:48am
  If it is really one party system, why Mr.Paul did not become congressman from Libertarian Party instead of GOP. Barack Obama will be re-elected with the help of Gary Johnson splitting the votes, like Clinton won twice…..
  
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- justangry
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 7:53am
  @Kickingback, If you feel sorry for us why insult us? Do you feel better? Did you get your venom at “Restoring Love”? It’s a shame your state doesn’t have GJ on the ballot since he pulls more support away from Obama in blue states.
  
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- Valkaneer
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 7:53am
  @PATTY HENRY While I agree with just about everything you said your wrong on one thing. Rand Paul did endorse his father. Rand called into the Shawn Hannity show and told him he had breaking news back during the Republican primaries. What was his breaking news? Rand endorsed his father. I remember Shawn telling him “That’s not breaking news” and then laughed about it. Then Shawn gave him credit for being savy enough to use that phrase to get Shawn to stop what he was doing and go Directly to taking Rand’s call.
  
  What was Rand going to do, it was his dad, if your dad is not a bad person, you have to support family. Though Rand is going to have to explain endorsing his father due to Ron’s crazy foreign policy. Ron Paul’s foreign policy would cause WWIII. A Ron Paul policy in WW II, and we would be speaking German, HItler would of died of old age, and the Jews would only be remembered in the history books the Nazi’s gave to our children to read in school.
  
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- Lisafrequency
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 8:07am
  I do not regret being able to understand and agree with what Ron Paul says. I believe the way his supporters have fought to keep his ideas alive should give them a seat at the table.
  
  Who could blame young people for not wanting to go to war, people who wish to remain self employed, old people for not wanting to loose their retirement funds, small business owners for not wanting to be driven out of the markets because big corpo has bought the the congress and allowed their lobbyist to write legislation that “regulates” them out of business. Who could actually listen to what Ron Paul is saying think he is crazy?
  
  Can you blame people for wanting to be free? Well one day you will be glad Ron Paul supporters stood up for freedom and continue to win for freedom.
  
  All you people who say you are concerned for the little guy you are not. You elect representatives who sell the voters out to big industrial complexes and the DoD.. It is a dirty job standing up to these entities but some one has to do it you can thank us when you wake up.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 8:11am
  Rand came out against Romney’s foreign policy the other day because it’s stupid. You watch too much Fox if you think it’s a good idea, or just a plain old coward that fears everything his TV tells him to fear. You know who was really dumb on foreign policy? The dumb Bush. Who’s advising Romney?
  
  http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/whos-advising-mitt-romney-on-foreign-policy/
  
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- GETLIFE
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 8:30am
  Hey! Paulbots and Obama Propagandists:
  Still voting Romney–although I have to admit, you almost had me there for a while….
  Well, not really.
  
  WOOL FREE, I have really enjoyed your posts.
  Had the same idea of collecting some of the “slightly off ” nonsense and/or extreme statements.
  There is a common hypnotic technique which uses slightly nonsensical sentences to create a kind of “brain freeze” while the listener tries to make it make sense. No joke!
  Typos? Paulbot extremism? Slimy pro-Obama propaganda technique?
  I’d imagine there are examples of each.
  
  To the true Libertarians: ….. well, ACTUALLY I don’t see any of those here among the Paul/ Gary whats-his-name supporters. Constitutionalists are smart enough to know that 4 more years of Obama would likely destroy the Constitution beyond recognition. They are voting for Romney.
  
  Ron= Hillary= Barack. The reality of the 2012 election.
  
  Paul dismisses the danger of another Obama presidency just like he dismisses the threat of radical Islam. Ron= Hillary= Barack.
  
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- dissentnow
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 9:04am
  @Wool
  “The rest of your argument is rendered completely moot by the fact that Al Qaeda do not share our values”
  
  Are you really that naive? Didn’t our government tell us that the Arab spring shared our values, as well? Our government would NEVER make the foolish mistake to arm rebels that do not share our values, right?
  
  “Mubarak was not engaging in mass murder of his own people”
  Tell that to the anti-government protesters that were killed by Mubarak’s regime. Listen, Mubarak was a bad man but he was a far better option for our interests than the Muslim Brotherhood is. The same can be said for Gaddafi and Assad, in relation to Al Qaeda.
  
  Syria is part of the Arab Spring. There is no difference and Al Qaeda will take control of Syria once we intervene on their behalf.
  
  And you still never answered my question: Are the rebels in Syria Al Qaeda, or not?
  And if they are Al Qaeda, do you still support arming them?
  
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- GETLIFE
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 9:25am
  DISSENTNOW, VOTE OBAMA!
  During the “Arab Spring” “our government” = the Obama administration.
  
  2012: a vote for Paul/Gary whats-his-name = a vote for Obama.
  
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- dissentnow
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 9:46am
  @Getlife
  
  Actually, many republicans supported the Arab Spring; John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Marco Rubio, Mark Kirk, ect.
  
  And i’ve never voted for a democrat in my life. I’ve been voting libertarian or constitution party ever since i’ve been able to vote.
  
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- TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 9:51am
  Damn…. missed another Ron Paul thread. I see the Ron Paul acolytes / zealots are as thicks as thieves today as well as last night (obviously the ne’re-do-well call tree is still in active status).
  
  Back months and months ago I warned you Paul “fluffers” that you would receive well-deserved “blowback” for your attempts to game the system during theses primaries and your prior actions during the last election cycle where Paul saw Cynthia McKinney (a Communist) and Ralph Nader (an anti-capitalist) as a better choice than John McCain and gave them his endorsement for POTUS for signing a damn pledge… although in the end Paul was shamed into endorsing Chuck Baldwin. Ron Paul is a POS, along with obviously having ADHD and signs of Dementia for years.
  
  Ron Paul pandered to and willingly accepted $$ from avowed racists and their racist organizations, Ron Paul pandered to vile anti-semites and Holocaust deniers and accepted their cash for Congressional runs. Ron Paul is a POS.
  
  Ron Paul is an coward and traitor. He is PO’d that his country drafted him. He endorses the fringe, panders to the fringe, gives aid and comfort to our enemies, blames America, apologizes for America, parroted Bin-Laden and Al-Qaeda along with Rearend J. Wright. He sides with traitors (Julian Assange and DADT activist and dealer in secrets that may have cause… Pvt Bradley Manning), he sides with radical Islam, he sides with Iran and makes excuses for the Palestinians.
  
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- GETLIFE
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 10:07am
  Write in Ron Paul, VOTE OBAMA
  Vote Gary Whats-His-Name, VOTE OBAMA
  
  DISSENTNOW! elect OBAMA!
  INDIVIDUALISM! elect OBAMA!
  JUSTANGRY! elect OBAMA!
  WESTCOASTPATRIOT! elect OBAMA!
  
  RESME would have you elect OBAMA
  CURIOUSCAT would have you elect OBAMA
  BLACK9897 would have you elect OBAMA
  
  Well then, there you have a partial run-down of the Ron Paul supporters….
  
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- TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 10:37am
  The Attraction of Ron Paul to the Mediocre Among Us – http://?.ws/??
  
  The Undiscerning and Dangerous Appreciation of Ron Paul – http://?.ws/??
  
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- HappyStretchedThin
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 10:50am
  @JustAngry,
  It’s perfectly constitutional for the Exec Branch to enforce fed laws through any configuration of depts and agencies it sees fit. Congress wrote fed anti-vice laws.
  Conservatives think the family is worth protection via Constitutional amendment (the Constitution CAN be amended, remember?).
  Conservatives ALSO think foreign aid is a stupid idea in the long run. (Actually we think DOMESTIC aid is just as stupid–we’re anti-pork, or did you forget the basis on which the Tea Party freshmen were elected just two years ago–is your memory THAT short?)
  Iraq and Afghanistan were pursued under Congressional authority. (Just because you don’t like the fact that Congress chose to authorize hostilities via other means than a narrow “declaration of war” because they knew that the threat of terrorism wasn’t necessarily attached to nation-states in the way all previous wars could be declared, doesn’t mean they didn’t legally authorize hostilities)
  Conservatives understand that Israel’s the only democratic ally in the Middle-East, and support it AS it would any close ally (i.e NOT unconditionally, like France, GB, Japan, SK, Taiwan, etc.).
  Conservatives want free trade with no fraud, which means some rules are necessary, but we uniformly agree that libs have written too many regs, so we want to lift the reg burden.
  You accuse Conservatives of many things they don’t believe. You understand neither Conservativism NOT the Constitution.
  
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- KeithParfitt
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 10:55am
  When a collectivist form of government rules a
  society some individuals develop a lack of initiative. A
  stifling of creativity will also result. People don’t have
  to work harder than anyone else as all rewards earned,
  are shared. Undeniably the incentive is to work less.
  Productivity is spread equally for all participants regardless
  of effort.
  Under collectivism a ruling class of bureaucratic
  intellectuals structure communities. They decide what a
  citizen is entitled to possess according to some obscure
  socioeconomic philosophy. They decide what is best
  for an individual and what privileges the individual is
  entitled too. This is a top down ‘for the greater good’
  ambiguous justification. They then apply the oppressive
  powers of the State to reallocate wealth from those who
  produce to those who don’t. Simply put the collective
  steals the talent, ingenuity, and hard work of one citizen
  and gives it to another in the name of social justice. This
  is morally repulsive, it is theft.
  Collectivism warps the self-sacrifice of an individual
  and encourages the notion that it is necessarily a
  noble act to sacrifice for the greater good of all, regardless
  of an individuals desire to achieve. According to the
  collectivist point of view something created by the individual
  belongs to the state as the state allows the individual
  the mechanism of a secure economy with which
  to create the product, goods, or services.
  
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- Kalish
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 11:15am
  A vote for Gary Johnson or someone like that, is just going to help obama win, and if he does, we may never recover from what he would do in the next four years, I am not kidding, Romney is not my first choice by any means, BUT I dont think he is a socialist/marxist and I dont think he will destroy this country, like obama is/would and we could survive romney, and maybe get a real conservative in next time ? That all I am saying, if obama wins nothing else may matter in the years to come … THINK ABOUT WHAT I SAID BEFORE YOU VOTE, Please !!!
  
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- justangry
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 11:25am
  @Happy, Like I said my part two was deleted so you only got part of my post. We understand the Constitution and we understand the conservatives. How we Libertarians interpret the Constitution is what separates us, but I’m not allowed to talk about it on the Blaze for some reason. I mean YOU might be close to us in some ways, but denying that there are many conservatives (values voters) that fit my description is being dishonest. Are you denying you are a religious altruist? Do you think the Constitution’s meaning has changed because the times are different today? You’re right about the amendment process, but the conservatives and liberals have figured out a way to get around it. Libertarians believe that is unacceptable.
  
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- Ronko
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 11:26am
  A vote for any 3rd party candidate is a vote for Obama. You can whine and complain about the current system as much as you want but let me tell you this. If Obama wins, you can kiss any chance of saving the Republic goodbye and that’s even if the Republicans take back both the senate and the house. Mitt Romney is the only chance that we have to save the Republic. Let’s not forget that Mitt picked Paul Ryan, to me that means Mitt’s going to do some good. Will Mitt drop the ball at times, yes it happens with every president. It happened with Reagan when he added 2 trillion on to the debt and heck it even happened with John Adams our 2nd president when he passed his aliens and sedition act into law. That act was one of the main reasons that Jefferson beat him all those years ago.
  
  Mitt Romney’s not perfect but on his worst day, he’s no where near as bad as Barack Obama. Obama has to go, we can’t afford 4 more years of his policies and his destruction of the Constitution. We have 16 trillion in debt and our dollar has been deflated in value, we can’t afford 4 more years of Obama, I can’t stress it enough.
  
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- dissentnow
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 11:30am
  @getlife
  If all of us Ron Paul/Gary Johnson supporters are really liberal Obama supporters, wouldn’t it stand to reason that we are actually taking votes away from Obama instead of Romney?
  If so, shouldn’t you be thanking us?
  
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- Trenaway
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 11:37am
  NO TO THE CHURCH OF RON PAUL CULTIST FREAKS! If you are still for Ron Paul you are a racist traitor to this country and you need to leave my country you hate so much. You people claim to love and know the Constitution, but you do not know jack and you hate the Constitution! And for the Ron Paul cultist threatening me, come and try to get me and I will show you how much I love the Constitution, particularly the 2nd amendment!!!!
  
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- GETLIFE
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 11:43am
  JUSTANGRY?, ELECT OBAMA!
  The true Constitution lover says: wait until 2016 to salvage the Constitution.
  Gee, what a great plan!
  
  Ron= Hillary= Barack in 2012
  The Constitution can afford to be trashed and radical Islam is not really a threat.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 11:46am
  Ronko, That’s fine if you think that way. We don’t care what you think like you don’t care what we think. Ryan voted for every police state bill that came his way since 9/11. He’s not going to do squat but continue the police state. He also voted for bailouts/tarp. You say Romney much better than Obama, I don’t think so. I think he’s better on some things and worse on others. Specifically foreign policy. I mean he’s he’s a total loon being advised by Bush’s foreign advisers. Bush’s foreign policy sucked worse than Obama’s. Granted Obama’s sucks too, but not quite as bad. But with Romney you’re getting Obama’s domestic policies with slight variation and Bush’s foreign policy which SUX.
  
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- one.dakine.howlie
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 11:47am
  Ron Paul has some great ideas but he’s no leader. His recent comments prove that point. He would be invaluable in the presidential administration but instead he wants to throw a fit like a 5 year old. The problem with most Ron Paul supporters is they make all their decisions based on fear and paranoia. Sometimes it gets just as bad as OWS psychos and that’s why the rest of the country shies away from Ron Paul. There’s just no stability there regardless if the ideas are good.
  
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- black9897
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 11:52am
  @HAPPY
  
  What do you call what Paul has been trying to do? It’s that he WON’T do anything, it’s that he CAN’T. Voting is a joke. It may not have been intended that way, but it is. Thus what I’ve been saying about Romney and BO. There is no power in having no choice…voting is not a choice they just make you think it is so you will keep voting. Obviously this whole voting thing isn’t working, so why continue to do it? Just stop complying with these liars and thieves. You don’t need to elect someone to do that, unless you think you must ask for freedom. ?
  
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- Wool-Free Vision
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 11:53am
  dissentnow
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 9:04am
  And you still never answered my question: Are the rebels in Syria Al Qaeda, or not?
  And if they are Al Qaeda, do you still support arming them?
  …………………..
  
  You quoted my answer to that at the beginning of your comment:
  
  dissentnow
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 9:04am
  “The rest of your argument is rendered completely moot by the fact that Al Qaeda do not share our values”
  …………………..
  
  In other words, you can sit on your strawman and spin.
  
  Finally, you asked, “Are you really that naive?”
  
  I dare you to ask that out loud without spewing a mouthful of Ron Paul flavored Kool-Aid all over Alex Jones’ butt cheeks.
  
  For the record: I was NEVER for our getting involved in the “Arab Spring.” That was Obama.
  
  I WAS for openly supporting the Green Revolution in Iran. But Obama’s meddling in Egypt ruined any chance of doing that by souring everyone on ANY intervention in the area – not that the dirty SOB would have intervened anyway, considering his true feelings on an Islamic Caliphate.
  
  I am also for shutting down Assad AND the Muslim Brotherhood AND Al Qaeda. Egypt WAS our ally. But Syria was, and always has been, a dirty snake working to undermine efforts to bring sanity to the region. I still believe that Saddam Hussein moved all of Iraq’s WMD’s and other incriminating materials over the border into Syria in the weeks leading up to the Shock & Awe campaign.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 12:09pm
  @Trena, Go **** yourself.
  
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- Wool-Free Vision
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 12:15pm
  @Black9897
  
  For the record, you are one of a handful of Paul supporters for whom I have a lot of respect. As you’ll notice, I never quoted you in my indictment of nuts above. Your arguments are very sound and reasonable, and I appreciate that though I often respectfully disagree.
  
  One thing I will grant you and Dr. Paul is that his nuttiness isn’t always nutty, and he often does our Republic a ton of good by bringing certain topics to the forefront for open debate, discussion, and therefore edification of the populace, who otherwise would probably remain ignorant of them.
  
  These threads where Conservatives and Libertarians hash out our differences and draw lines of distinction between each other’s positions are EXTREMELY healthy for our precious Republic and Constitution. Even the Alex Jones conspiracy theories and those who vehemently subscribe to and argue for them, I feel are assets to the discussion.
  
  I often rant and rail at you guys, but I love and appreciate you all (well, most of you, with a few obvious exceptions – namely, the fools who bash Israel and pretend that Muslims are just fuzzy bunnies who want to give infidels hugs & kisses).
  
  I appreciate your passion for our founding doc-u-ments and our Liberty, even though I cannot understand how such passion can co-exist in a person who believes in isolationism and non-interventionism.
  
  So, thanks Paulbots, for bringing your A game. But seriously, O must GO.
  
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- dissentnow
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 12:27pm
  @Wool
  
  Are the rebels Al Qaeda? Yes or no?
  
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- missnellie
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 12:32pm
  While it may be admirable for progressives to continue to honor Ron Paul….the time is NOW for him to make his decision as his running for president is null and void. This game he is playing is for his own self satisfaction and sadly it tells me he is self absorbed. Voting for Romney is voting for the lesser of threats to the U.S. Romney is a business man with years of experience and if you haven’t worked in his field or dealt with it YOU KNOW NOTHING about how it operates or why. Quarrel about the Mormons all you want but it is not significant at this point. Argue about Israel but any fool who thinks our government is picking our pockets to give “them” money better read up on just how many countries we give to…TOO MANY! Israel is an ally in an area of the world that threatens us all. And there is no war yet!!!!!! What has been blogged just shows me how little people know about Israel..if you haven’t walked in someone’s shoes then shut up. And it is most childish to tell someone to go live in Israel if they support that country. We are down to the wire. There is no more Paul to consider…we are now faced with one decision…Romney or Obama…that’s is whether you like it or not. The rest is bullsh*t…. ME? Romney! Someone has to attempt to save OUR country from being flushed down a toilet.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 12:37pm
  What’s funny is none of the Paul haters are actually arguing against Ron Paul’s point here. They’re just attacking him or the “Paulbots”. Very classy conservatives… Kudos. They can’t put the differences between Romney and Obama other than in the simplest and meaningless terms.
  
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- resme
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 12:38pm
  “In Syria, I will work with our partners to identify and organize those members of the opposition who share our values and ensure they obtain the arms they need to defeat Assad’s tanks, helicopters, and fighter jets.”
  
  Woo, USA job interviews. That’s really working well in Afghanistan right now. Good thing Obama took Mccain, Graham, and Romney’s advice about arming the rebels in Syria. Which they’ve been doing through Turkey for quite a while anyways.
  
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- black9897
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 12:42pm
  @WOOL
  
  Well thank you, I appreciate that.
  
  I agree to it is healthy, and having an ongoing discussion is a good thing.
  
  Very good to know you love us all. I feel the same way. I certainly stand by Israel (not that I may agree with everything it does) and defiantly know what Islam is about.
  
  Well…let me say I don’t, nor does RP believe in Isolationism. Yes, it is a non-interventionist view. I don’t think that’s so bad though. I also don’t’ think that means we ALWAYS stay out of situations. We are juggling too many balls right now, and get involved in too much. I’d rather have a super strong defense at home than getting involved in other people’s business.
  
  Oh, @STAT Thank you good sir. Yes, I am a guy.
  
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- Wool-Free Vision
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 12:51pm
  Finally, before I resign from this thread and enjoy another blissful Sunday of football, I would like to thank GetLife and StatutoryApe for their kind words and support.
  
  Also:
  
  dissentnow
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 12:27pm
  @Wool
  Are the rebels Al Qaeda? Yes or no?
  ……….
  
  Can you read? Yes or no?
  
  P.S.
  I am STILL awaiting your response to the following with bated breath (not really):
  
  Wool-Free Vision
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 2:06am
  “and the quote that you cited from Romeny was not the basis for my quote.”
  Then perhaps you would like to share with us all what IS the basis for your quote, which wasn’t really a quote, which I apparently lied about, even though I really didn’t.
  ……….
  
  For the record, I hate disingenuous jerks whose idea of debate is to throw out strawmen in lieu of backing up their indefensible BS with actual facts or real quotes. I’m looking at you, dissentnow, and I never lied or obfuscated a damned thing in this entire thread or any other. So, really, go sit on your strawmen and false accusations and spin with good old Brother Winston Smith, who was mysteriously absent from this discussion (though not missed at all).
  
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- dissentnow
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 1:08pm
  @wool
  “I’m looking at you, dissentnow, and I never lied or obfuscated a damned thing in this entire thread or any other”
  
  You intentionally misquoted me because my original quote that bashed Obama, as well, didn’t fit your narrative.
  
  There’s no strawman here. My point is that the rebels in Syria are Al Qaeda. You either agree or disagree.
  
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- GETLIFE
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 1:16pm
  DISSENTNOW! DON’T VOTE ROMNEY,
  Is that better?
  Don’t worry, I know you are all quite intelligent enough to know that either Obama or Romney will be elected.
  How about– you are obviously not worried about Obama being re-elected.
  How about–in that case you think his attitude towards your beloved Constitution is not bad enough to vote against it with a vote that will count. Constitution lovers– yeah, sure.
  
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- b.mclane
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 1:35pm
  The joke is most of the rabid “Paul supporters” who FREQUENTLY post here are really Chicago thug Axelrod’s plants. They post everywhere on-line hoping to get the lame and overly self confident to vote 3rd party or write in a candidate thinking they do so “on principle”. MALARKEY !!! ( Look up the meaning of GULLIBLE). Math says a 3rd Party vote is a vote for Obama. Now, if you truly are a dedicated Revolutionary and insist on doing so you can congratulate yourself for helping to keep the biggest con man in history in the White House for our last 4 years of being a Constitutional Republic. ( Recall many of the SAME political expert posters who whine here non stop about Romney are the same nutters who SWORE Paul would have the delegate vote at the Convention?? How’d that work out?) Who told you non stop whiners you deserve to can get 1000% of what you want anyway???? No one giving you unearned trophies anymore??? If you feel so strongly how come you don’t throw your hat in the political ring instead of staying in Mommy’s basement typing with one hand?? Those who can’t, POST…. STOP WHINING…. STOP BEING A BRAT…… PUT DOWN YOUR JUICY BOX AND GROW UP !! You got 2 choices like it or not. You can’t stand on deck waving your White Star ticket shouting this boat can’t sink. You either go vote for Obama or for Romney. Even if either is not your wet dream. Its big boy pants time. Any other talk is merely propaganda by the gullible.
  
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- Wool-Free Vision
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 1:40pm
  @dissentnow
  
  You are not unlike a spoiled child in your stubborn unwillingness to accept facts. Let me spell this out for you again.
  
  Removing your parenthetical mention of Obama from the quote did not, in any way, shape, or form, alter its meaning. My point was that you said that Romney supports arming Al Qaeda, which is exactly what you said. As I pointed out earlier, that is a LIE. You are STILL dodging your responsibility of providing evidence for this lie by throwing out strawmen and deflecting/projecting through calling ME the liar.
  
  Furthermore, your insistence on pursuing this ridiculous and intellectually dishonest line of reasoning only reinforces my point that YOU and your original quote ARE NUTTY.
  
  I judiciously restated your quote and showed you the lie in it MORE THAN ONCE. I also asked you REPEATEDLY to provide evidence for your dishonesty, and YOU STILL THROW OUT STRAWMEN INSTEAD OF PROVIDING IT.
  
  This is the last time I will be responding to your childish BS because Falcons vs. Raiders > your willful deceit, but feel free to continue proving to everyone what a disingenuous POS you are.
  
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- cowboy898
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 1:51pm
  Are you that blind not to see the Ron Paul is just like the rest of them. He plays the same games as all the rest. I’m sick and tired of him saying that he is the only answer to the problem, but he is not in the race now is he? As far as I am concerned he is part of the problem in the division of this country just as Obama is. He will never be President, ever! Because of the games everyone sees him playing.
  
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- dissentnow
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 2:09pm
  The entire basis for my argument is that the rebels in Syria are Al Qaeda. You have yet to address that issue. Its a very simple question. Yes or no?
  
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- West Coast Patriot
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 2:22pm
  Wool-Free, this ones for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9L9A1IMTQo
  
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- KickinBack
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 2:53pm
  @time2end
  Don’t worry buddy, you didn’t miss much. Same ‘ol, same ‘ol.
  
  @justangry
  If you find my post insulting, then you clearly have some anger issues. I just feel sorry for you. And more so now. How’s the squirrel hunt?
  
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- RonPaulOrNoOne
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 2:55pm
  @Trenaway – We hate this Country? Your out of your mind. We love our Country. We are so angry that cowards like you Dems and Repubs ruining it.
  
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- HappyStretchedThin
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 3:01pm
  @Black,
  Look: no Conservative is satisfied with the way Republicans have run things when they’ve been in govt. No one is criticizing you for pointing out that there is a political class that doesn’t represent the people it’s supposed to very well.
  But to go from that critique to claiming there’s no usefulness in voting for EITHER of the two parties who stands a chance to make ANY changes whatsoever, is a HUGE and illogical leap.
  Some is always better than none.
  In the absence of Best, you can always find one candidate is Better than the other.
  Do you HONESTLY want to make the case that there’s NO CONSEQUENCES to elections?
  Do you believe in Democracy at ALL?
  Isn’t the IDEA of representative responsible government worth upholding?
  What is the mysterious better solution YOU would propose to federal elections, since you’re convinced it’s only an illusion of choice? Dictatorship? (at least that would be honest) Anarchy? (don’t you think that would bring a few problems of its own?)
  @Justangry
  Can’t comment on your missing post, but what you DID write demonstrates your ignorance on the concepts of the constitution, and exaggerated conflation of “values voters” and Conservatives only serves to underscore that you haven’t the foggiest what a Conservative is. Of COURSE there are values voters that line up with us (and potheads that line up with you), but we’re talking ideas here, not associates.
  
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- RonPaulOrNoOne
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 3:07pm
  http://michiganman567.hubpages.com/hub/George-Soros-Wants-Mitt-Romney
  
  George Soros Endorsed Romney. Have fun with your result you morons.
  
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- GETLIFE
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 3:27pm
  RONPAULORNONE =OBAMAsjustfinewithme
  
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- Wool-Free Vision
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 3:35pm
  dissentnow
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 2:09pm
  
  The entire basis for my argument is that the rebels in Syria are Al Qaeda. You have yet to address that issue. Its a very simple question. Yes or no?
  ………..
  
  I have generously answered your question already, which is why I asked “Can you read?” Answering at all was completely unnecessary, because your irrelevant question could ONLY be considered a valid rebuttal of a demand for evidence in a myopic Paulbot fantasyland where the entire population of Syria consists of Assad, twenty million Al Qaeda terrorists, and no one else.
  
  Your stupid, irrelevant question is a STRAW MAN which was intended to divert everyone from noticing that YOU STILL HAVE NOT PROVIDED ANY OF THE “many Romney quotes” IN WHICH YOU CLAIM HE SUPPORTS ARMING AL QAEDA TERRORISTS.
  
  Before you ask again, here is where I answered you already:
  
  “I am also for shutting down Assad AND the Muslim Brotherhood AND Al Qaeda. Egypt WAS our ally. But Syria was, and always has been, a dirty snake working to undermine efforts to bring sanity to the region.”
  
  You are either the dumbest jerk or one of the most deceitful jerks to ever use a straw man argument. I would bet on a combination of both. You are definitely stubborn, whether stubbornly ignorant or stubbornly dishonest depends on how conscious you are of your obvious evasion.
  
  Hey look everybody! I’m a liar because I previously claimed I was done with this thread.
  
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- GETLIFE
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 3:37pm
  Hey DISSENTNOW, what do you think was going on in Libya that the WH is so desperate to cover up?
  Western arms from the Libyan rebels stored around Benghazi…..
  CIA Ambassador and 2 guys whose job it was to deal with said arms go there ..no security…undercover.
  Biden declares in the debate “…and Syria is being armed….”
  
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- paulrogers
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 3:41pm
  Romney is not as conservative as I would like however Ron Paul is not doing right for these reasons: 1) Romney will not have Muslim Brotherhood members advising any department and Obama does, 2) Romney would appoint better judges than Obama and that affects us for many years to come, 3) Romney would defend Israel and Obama does not as is clear when he refuses to meet with him but rather goes on Letterman and the View. The more votes Paul takes from Romney will not get him or Gary Johnson but will allow Obama to be reelected. Obama is a committed Marxist where as Romney has never shown any tendency in that direction.
  
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- Wool-Free Vision
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 3:49pm
  http://www.theblaze.com/stories/cnbcs-santelli-gets-into-knock-down-drag-out-shouting-match-over-jobs-report-im-not-implying-anything/
  
  Liesman = dissentnow
  Santelli = Me
  
  For clarification, watch the video then see my comment in that thread.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 4:53pm
  @Happy, Yeah I don’t know the Constitution from someone that is arguing for the benefit of a ticket that supports the NDAA, Patriot Act, HR347, Sopa/Pipa, Fisa, Cispa, drones, bailouts, tarp, foreign aid, undeclared wars…. Get a grip! If you can explain how ANY of those are constitutional I’ll listen to you. The only way to justify those is by way of the Living Constitution Theory, and if you argue in favor of that theory, you’re not a Libertarian at all or even remotely close to it. Romney believes in it. Obama believes in it. Ginsburg, Woodrow Wilson, Kagan believed in it… (get the picture?). Besides you haven’t answered if you’re an religious altruist, if you believe in a completely unregulated laissez fiare free market system, or ANY type of social programs. (we know where you stand on social issues such as vice/gay marriage… with the progressives that think it’s a federal issue without an amendment.) I mean answer the questions or don’t bother responding. Everything I mentioned, a Libertarian would consider IMMORAL. Most “conservatives like some of it, just not as much as the left on social programs, but more on the policing issues, and warmongering since the Neocons abandoned the Democratic Party and infiltrated the GOP.
  
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- GETLIFE
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 5:05pm
  WOOL FREE,
  Yep, that’s about right.
  Hope you are watching your game.
  I’m outta here too.
  
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- American Soldier (Separated)
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 5:32pm
  @Happy
  
  Romney is 99.9% libertarian?! You must be a comic, because that was one of the funniest things I’ve heard in a while.
  
  Republicans control Congress. I’d rather have Obama as president with a Republican congress because you know what, that means NOTHING gets done in Washington. Great!
  
  But if Romney gets elected, the majority of the angry Tea partyiers and patriotic conservatives will go back to the field like good little sheep. No, I refuse to let that happen.
  
  I would rather Obama win than Romney win, purely for those two facts. The liberty movement would slow down significantly and then the GOP would have complete control of power. Washington DC should do absolutely NOTHING but maintain our defense…. that’s it.
  
  I am a Paulbot and you can quote me on that!
  
  Blame me, blame us all, I don’t care. 4 more years of socialism is better than 8 more years of socialism-lite in conservative clothing, which means conservatism and free markets will be blamed when Romney fails to fix anything!
  
  Yes I’m yelling now:
  
  WE GOT OBAMA BECAUSE OF GEORGE BUSH’S FAILURES AT BEING A CONSERVATIVE, WHAT WILL WE GET AFTER ROMNEY PROVES TO BE ANYTHING BUT A CONSERVATIVE?!
  
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- Polwatcher
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 5:37pm
  Last I heard, Ron Paul is not on the ballot. Our choice is more of the same with O or to vote for Romney. There is no other choice. I don’t like communism so I will vote for Romney. All the people crying in their beer should stand up and take charge of our country. At worst, Romney will hold our place until enough people will stand up and he might just turn out to be great.
  
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- dissentnow
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 6:01pm
  @Wool
  You are like a broken record. “Strawman……strawman……..strawman…….strawman”. Your use of the word strawman has, indeed, become a strawman, itself.
  Go watch football and enjoy what is left of Sunday.
  
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- Wool-Free Vision
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 6:30pm
  From the absolutely BRILLIANT Lou Reed album “New York”
  
  Strawman by Lou Reed
  
  We who have so much to you who have so little
  To you who don’t have anything at all
  We who have so much more than any one man does need
  And you who don’t have anything at all, ah
  
  Does anybody need another million dollar movie?
  Does anybody need another million dollar star?
  Does anybody need to be told over and over
  Spitting in the wind comes back at you twice as hard?
  
  Chorus
  Strawman, going straight to the devil
  Strawman, going straight to hell
  Strawman, going straight to the devil
  Strawman, Strawman
  
  Does anyone really need a billion dollar rocket?
  Does anyone need a $60,000 car?
  Does anyone need another president?
  Or the sins of Swaggart parts 6, 7, 8 and 9?
  
  Does anyone need yet another politician
  Caught with his pants down and money sticking in his holes?
  Does anyone need another racist preacher?
  Spittin’ in the wind can only do you harm, ooohhh
  
  Chorus
  
  Does anyone need another faulty shuttle
  Blasting off to the moon, Venus or Mars?
  Does anybody need another self-righteous rock singer
  Whose nose he says has led him straight to God?
  
  Does anyone need yet another blank skyscraper?
  If you’re like me I’m sure a minor miracle will do
  A flaming sword or maybe a gold ark floating up the Hudson
  When you spit in the wind it comes right back at you
  
  Chorus
  
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- KickinBack
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 6:37pm
  -dissentnow
  
  They don’t watch football. They smoke pot and dig bunkers. That’s of course, after they go on rabid tirades, filled with insults and name-calling. No wonder they felt so much camaraderie with the OWSers.
  
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- Ragnars Repos
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 6:44pm
  I have voted Republican since the mid 90′s. But after watching how socialist-conservatives and the GOProgressives have treated Ron Paul, I will NEVER again support a GOProgressive candidate–not on your life. There are many people like me.
  
  You can ridicule this good American man all you want, but I’ll be here in coming years to say “I told you so.” if Maestro Progressive and cult member Romney wins. He will disappoint, guaranteed.
  
  Romney is a PROGRESSIVE and will do great harm to this country, mark my words.
  
  I am voting this year. I am casting my vote for Ron Paul, the only semi-rational American in this election.
  
  (The conservative children can go back to taunting Paul supporters now, the arrogant and suicidal fools.)
  
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- sodacrackers2
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 6:44pm
  At this point in time our only hope is Mitt. He has character and loves America. He is not a communist.
  
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- black9897
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 7:02pm
  @HAPPY
  
  Not illogical at all. People put too much into voting, thus making themselves slaves. It’s like they put the change onto one person that’s “supposed” to represent us. When in fact we have all the power and just need to stop asking for permission or thinking that we can fix things within the system.
  
  It’s a fine idea; the big problem you have is that it’s paid for through theft. I would like true free markets and privatization of everything…at least that way we wouldn’t be FORCED to pay someone’s salary and then if we don’t like it we have the “choice” of voting him out….oh but the guy in line is just as bad as him, the next guy is almost as bad. You say that you can always find someone better? Sure..but why settle?? Of course there is always someone worse and you can pick the better of the two options, but I’m sick of that game.
  
  If you wonder why I would like privatization of everything…look at the Milgram experiment and the Standford Prison experiment. That’s plenty of evidence.
  
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- American Soldier (Separated)
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 7:07pm
  @POLWATCHER
  
  The collapse is going to happen sooner rather than later if we don’t make good, conservative choices of truly cutting down spending from every aspect of Government. Romney will not do this.
  
  So who would you rather have at the helm when the collapse happens? Obame or Romney? One of the two ideologies, even though the two parties and the two men are almost identical, but the ideology is what’s at stake here. If Romney is at the wheel, conservativism, small government, free markets, et al will be blamed!
  
  I say again, we got Obama because of Bush’s failure to be a conservative. What will we get when Romney fails (which he will) at being the champion of conservatism you all think he is. Especially with his background as a Government of a LIBERAL state, his voting record and his inability to stick to ONE side of a topic, you want to rest the fate of our nation into this mans hand?
  
  No, I don’t believe in “well we’ll get them next time! We’ll vote for a REAL conservative next time, we just need to get Obama out!” Yea right. And they call ME crazy!!!
  
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- Shaqfuey
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 11:46pm
  If you believe that true conservative principles and progressivism are the same, you are sadly misinformed. Ron Paul wants to live in a non-existent utopia and is a joke that is desperate to stay relevant despite pathetic runs for the nomination in the party he doesn’t believe in.
  
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- Vegasdad702
  Posted on October 15, 2012 at 3:47am
  WOW! All these insults from so called christian conservatives saying horrific things about Dr. Paul! Way to act christ like. I am ashamed! You all sound worse than any of the communist progressive liberals on other blogs or comments. SO SHAMEFUL!!! Did ANY of you even READ what Congressman Paul said? How is he wrong?? Have you all learned ANYTHING over the last two presidencies? DON”T let your HATE for Obama blind you from the facts…and they are FACTS!! WAKE UP!! All of you on the right are just falling for the same “Hope” and “change” propaganda that fooled everyone four years ago on the left. WAKE UP! ARTICLE 16 at RNC!!! WAKE UP!!! Both sides LIE CONSTANTLY!!! WAKE UP!!! BAHHHH! Say NO to the salt lick!!! WAKE UP!!!
  
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- pamela kay
  Posted on October 15, 2012 at 8:43am
  Neither he or Johnson are putting the country before their egos. Look, any vote for either one will assure Obama gets re-elected. That is what it is. So if their claims will knowingly cause this they can’t really care what the progressives will do in the next four years. They just keep ranting on and on when they need to quietly sit back and urge their followers to vote for Romney for the sake of our country. Neither one of them have a chance to win. They will have four years to build their stand in 2016 if Romney wins, if Obama wins I do not think elections will even be held and the damage that will be done by the Progressives can be reversed. Once we go to a world governess, it is over people. Think long and hard, Whether you think it is the lesser of two evils or not, at least we will have a chance to take back our country.
  
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- WakingSheep
  Posted on October 15, 2012 at 9:37am
  Wake up and smell what you are stepping in grand ole party!
  Ever wonder why there are always more candidates on the ballot then there are in the debates?…. Probabaly not.
  Ever think about the party that gave us the TSA, DHS, Tarp, NAFTA, the patriot act, or NDAA? Probabaly not.
  Ever wonder how anybody could have a 90 minute economic debate without once mentioning the FED?
  Probably not.
  
  This is my second election to vote it and most act like I’m the crazy one asking these questions.
  
  Baaaaaaaaaaaaa
  
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- Dolphie
  Posted on October 15, 2012 at 11:14pm
  Ron Paul is a politician. He is just another backroom dealing, cigar smoking good ol’ boy and always has been. He has been a politician for over 30 years. He has accomplished NOTHING. He plagiarizes other people’s ideas. The fact that people are falling for his lies is a sad reminder of just how much the current educational system and the media have ruined people’s ability to think on their own. The hysterical stories about Romney are laughable. The teeny nitpicking that people are doing under the pretense of knowing what they are talking about is disheartening (this includes the pundits). We need a business man in office. Romney is the Turnaround Artist – he has turned around businesses and a liberal state. THAT is commendable. RP & GJ will not win. *IF* they lose this election in a Perot moment – the Libertarian party will take the hit and will not be trusted again. The Libertarians apparently are more hung up on their party an 3rd parties rather than doing what is best for OUR COUNTRY. That is someone I would never want as POTUS. That you all cannot see this is sad.
  
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- Paool
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 2:54pm
  Ron Paul needs to go away during the elections. If you truly believe in what he says then why does that message even need to be said right now. This kind of message detracts from Romney and while you can draw some parallels (more like tangents) between him and Obama I don’t think their is a single Ron Paul supporter that wouldn’t agree with the notion that he is DEFINITELY the lesser of the two evils. Ron Paul needs to back out during this time, get away from the mic, and shut up until this election cycle is over.
  
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wordsofwisdom
Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:41pm
This is sad for me & the country. Ron P. knowing that he him self is not going to be president this election has decided to try and be a spoiler their by taking votes from Mitt Romney not Obama. The reason it’s sad is that for all his talk about what’s wrong with the government he him self is now helping indirectly to destroy the constitution he claims to hold so dear. I’m sorry but at this point in the game you either support the people or you serve your own interest. I don’t care about your petty complaint about not winning the nomination that’s just too bad for you. I did have respect for some of his ideas but not this kind of childish behavior. The Obama people are going to cheat, steal & lie all they can to win this election. What ever votes you influence can only help Romney or Obama. Why would help Obama if you really love this country?
This is your song “The Devils Song” http://www.twitmusic.com/cyou_in_song/songs/the-devils-song
Listen & know his heart

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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:45pm
  what if the people someone is “supposed” to support are almost as evil as the ones you are supposed to replace?
  
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- justangry
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:46pm
  It’s not his fault the republicans abandoned their principles of limited constitutionally restricted federal government and individual freedom and free market capitalism to cater to the social progressive wing nuts, is it? Romney supports most of the socialist programs you hate Obama for supporting. I mean you’re anger is misplaced. Romney is a technocratic police statists. Those aren’t the qualities of the republican party, are they?
  
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- The_Jerk
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:47pm
  Truth is the truth, even if you keep ignoring that truth. The Fed/Wall Street marriage is the problem.
  
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- Individualism
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:50pm
  Romney = Obama that is reality get over it and be thankful to have 4 instead of 8 more years unless you really had enough and than iceland 2.0.
  
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- lapitup
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:52pm
  DIddo. I partially agree with Ron Paul. But I also “Realize” what our country faces. The more Ron Paul speaks now, The more I dislike him. He is loosing all good perception with me and a few other people. Paul Get over it. If you were the one for president, I am absolutely 100 percent sure Romney would not go around attacking you on whims. Ron Paul is turning out to be nothing but a “Biden” for Conservatives of this country. He will try explaining this away in the next few days but shame on him. If he really believes that about Romney then let him vote for Obama. “No difference” according to him…
  
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- Ronko
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:57pm
  Anybody that votes for a 3rd party candidate is voting for Obama.
  
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- Kupo
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:02pm
  LOL at the idea of Romney respecting the Constitution.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:03pm
  Ronko that logic is stupid. First it isn’t our fault. Second, you’re voting for Obama’s policies if you don’t vote 3rd party. Third, they’re discovering that in about half of the swing states Johnson is pulling more votes away from Obama than Romney.
  
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- PaulreveresDarknight
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:09pm
  Google found it. I like it. Little Johnny Cash in it! Ray Stevens “the streak” has 0blamer spending song that I heard on talk radio…. F u n n y
  
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- West Coast Patriot
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:13pm
  Ronko, a vote for either Democrat or Republican is a wasted vote on the freedoms of this country in my opinion. If my post shows up above, watch the links. Everyone better get used to the scenario this election, as Paul supporters WILL NOT vote for Romney or Obama. If that causes Romney to lose, it will be on all of your heads for not waking up to the fact that both are virtually identical. I mean, listen to their stances! They are the same. Romney is just taking a small detour to the cliff instead of just driving right off. Either way, we are going over the cliff within the next four years, unless we actually vote someone in that has the courage to do what is necessary, that was Ron Paul, and the only other , since all of you felt you did not want an honest man in the white house, is another honest man that is very close to Paul, Gary Johnson. I believe all of you just do not have the fortitude to go through the sacrifices that it will take to fix the mess we are in, you hope that someone will come in and keep things the way they are, but you are living in denial. We will have to sacrifice or we will lose everything we hold dear.
  
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- 13th Imam
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:18pm
  The King of Earmarks strikes again
  
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- wordsofwisdom
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:34pm
  To all you Ron Paul supporters. If you really believe that Homney is the same as Obama then how do you explain the generous charity gifts that Romney makes. Over 4 mil. just this year alone. Obama, around 100 thousand or so wont even help his own family. Ron P. ? Well I don’t know his but I do know that Romney has a big generous heart! That makes him a lot different then people who have no heart. Just ask your self is a lost cause worth risking your right to put forth ideals like the ones Ron P. believed in or should you make the best of a bad situation & regroup for another fight. Because if Obama wins, your right to decent may well be lost along with your lost cause. Then where will you be?
  
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- justangry
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:37pm
  Nothing but half truths (lies) from 13th. The one who projects “liberal trolls”. Just another progressive downy trying to make people think Romney is anything but a closet progressive. How many earmarks did Ron Paul vote for?
  
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- Ronko
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:51pm
  @Just Angry
  
  I don’t agree that voting for Romney would be a continuation of Obama’s policies. Romney doesn’t believe in Marxism unlike Obama who says that Peter must pay Paul, Romney supports Isreal unlike our current president who has no problems going back to the 67 borderlines and lastly I don’t see Mitt commiting such a stupid mistake in Benghazi unlike the president who did.
  
  Now is the Republican party soft, yes that’s a fact but is Mitt Romney going to drop the ball as badly as Obama, no. I do like hearing that early polling may suggest johnson taking more from obama similar to Nader in 2000 but I don’t want what happened in Florida. I don’t need Soros rigging this election like he did with Al Franken in 2008.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:59pm
  @Ronko
  You obsess about who is taking votes from whom but if you were honest with yourself, you would be trying to fix the election laws instead of blaming a 3rd party candidate every election cycle. Seriously, you have been given a brain and the internet at your fingertips. The solution to the ’3rd party spoiler” is to not have winner-take-all election laws where a person can win ALL the delegates with <50% of the vote
  
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- justangry
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 8:22pm
  It most certainly will be a continuation of Obama’s policies. What we do regarding Israel is the congress’s job, not the presidents. Both Obama and Romney prefer to act outside of the supreme law of the land. One’s ends may suit YOU more, but that’s no justification for breaking the law. And as for Marxist policies, which ones doesn’t Romney support other than some undetermined parts of the ACA which he drafted? I mean I didn’t watch those two idiots debate, but heard they were arguing about how they each were going to fix the socialist medicare system and arguing over how to fix the dept. of Education which is essentially marxist central planning and indoctrination. He’s not going to cut one socialist program and we all know it. It’s they’re interpretation of the Constitution that’s the same. It comes from Harvard law school and it sucks.
  
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- 13th Imam
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 8:40pm
  How many did he vote for?
  
  NONE
  
  He just cashed the checks, Dufus
  
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- Kupo
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 9:32pm
  He’s neither spoiling anything nor taking anything away from anyone. He was asked a question and he answered it. I support Ron Paul and those who are like-minded, and if tomorrow Ron Paul came out and endorsed Mitt Romney I STILL wouldn’t vote for him, and I’m willing to bet that most other Ron Paul followers wouldn’t change their mind based on that either.
  
  That’s one of the things that differentiate us “Paulbots” from all of you other people. We tend to think for ourselves and aren’t as willing to blindly follow whatever progressive statist that the establishment spoon feeds us. If you have a problem with that then screw you.
  
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- 13th Imam
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 10:08pm
  Hubris is a poor trait
  
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- Farmhand82
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 10:37pm
  I used to really like Paul but he has become a bit of a douche. His fans on the other hand have always been raging douchebags.
  
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- LibertyOrDeath12
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 10:44pm
  @wordsofwisdom – not every one is made out of money like Romney. Not every one owns 20 homes.
  
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- circleDwagons
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 10:56pm
  was voting for mccain a waste?
  
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- LibertyOrDeath12
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 12:20am
  Spoiler? Ron Paul doesn’t sell out like Rick Santorum.
  
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- West Coast Patriot
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 3:01am
  You guys just stay blind, here is a conservative telling it like it is about Obama and Romney: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4R4KtYVF-74&feature=youtu.be
  
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- GilbertAcct
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 4:39am
  @Wordsofwisdom… I dislike a charitable tyrant as much as a stingy one.
  
  I see your point, but charitable donations by a president do not affect anyone. The underlying policies can affect me. Would you vote for the liberal Buffet over Romney if he were running? I think he’s giving away 30 or 40 billion to charity when he dies.
  
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- b.mclane
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 1:43pm
  The joke is most of the rabid “Paul supporters” who FREQUENTLY post here are really Chicago thug Axelrod’s plants. ( Note the ready to post lists ? How handy.) They post everywhere on-line hoping to get the lame and overly self confident to vote 3rd party or write in a candidate thinking they do so “on principle”. MALARKEY ! (Go look up the meaning of GULLIBLE). Math says a 3rd Party vote is a vote for Obama. Now, if you truly are a dedicated Revolutionary and insist on voting so you can congratulate yourself for helping to keep the biggest con man in history in the White House for our last 4 years of being a Constitutional Republic. ( Recall many of the SAME “political expert” posters who whine here non stop about Romney are the same nutters who SWORE Paul would have the delegate vote at the Convention! How’d that work out?) Who told you non stop whiners you deserve to get 1000% of what you want anyway???? No one giving you unearned trophies anymore??? If you feel so strongly how come you don’t throw your hat in the political ring instead of staying in Mommy’s basement typing with one hand?? Those who can’t, POST…. STOP WHINING…. STOP BEING A BRAT…… PUT DOWN YOUR JUICY BOX AND GROW UP !! You got 2 choices like it or not. You can’t stand on deck waving your White Star ticket shouting this boat can’t sink. You either go vote for Obama or for Romney. Even if either is not your wet dream. Its big boy pants time. Any other talk is merely propaganda by th
  
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- West Coast Patriot
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 2:15pm
  B.Mclane, That is just nonsense. Go to dailypaul.com and read posts there. You will at least see Bro Winston and myself under our same names. You can also click on our name and read posts from our very first as the Daily Paul is about real news and Liberty and not just a forum for entertainment that let’s stories slip away never to be seen again after ten posts like the MSM. If people were to stop being selfish to themselves, we could actually change America back to what made it great, but with people like you, maybe we deserve to lose everything and have to fight to get freedom back. I mean, maybe we need to see massive depopulation. Maybe that is what it will take to open peoples eyes to who really calls the shots (Central Banks and big corporations). I am prepared for the anarchy that is headed our way, are you? Most likely not as you are a selfish @ss that thinks of only his own material possessions, believing that two guys can save us all, and you all say we Paul supporters are the worshipers, unbelievable. When the dollar falls, and Obama or Romney turn us over to the U.N.’s new economic system run by the central bank, then come on here and call us names. We are not Obama supporters, we are not Axelrod’s army, that is you just being an idiot.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 5:25pm
  @b.mclane, That’s a lie I hear all the time on here. I personally hate the RNC as much as the DNC. I’m more closely aligned with the RNC stated principles, but they aren’t really following those principles at all, are they?
  
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- RepubliCorp
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 11:57pm
  Who cares? The old kook is a “never was” He cant even reach “has been” status
  
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PlanetReality
Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:38pm
for the record ron paul mitt romney isnt !!! maybe thats why it took sooo long for the right to accept him lets be clear this man wants to come in conquer red to black and move on and this is what every taxpayer should want!!!! Move the country up so we can stand strong!!!

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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:50pm
  how is mitt romney going to move it from red to black? Mitt Romney has said he won’t cut any programs and will increase military spending. On what planet will that balance the budget?
  
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- justangry
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:38pm
  Their in la la land, Soy.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:39pm
  *they’re
  
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- honor007
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:56pm
  did you read the plan?
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 8:02pm
  what is “the plan”. sounds like a nazi….
  
  I know that mitt romney has gone around the country for a year saying he will not touch federal programs or entitlements. At the same time he goes around saying our military is TOO SMALL. I dont think you can offset those things plus borrowing costs (even assuming rates stay near ZERO percent) just by drilling more.
  
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- honor007
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 8:17pm
  put your “math” hat on and read the plan. So ignorant not to know the other side viewpoint? Open your mind.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 8:22pm
  if you are so familiar with it, you should be able to explain it to a simpleton like myself….
  
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- honor007
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 8:31pm
  are you kidding? I know you know how to use the internet?
  
  Here are Romney’s five points, with quotations from his speeches in the last week:
  
  Achieve North American energy independence by increasing access to domestic fossil fuels, streamlining regulations and the permitting process, drilling offshore and in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, and approving the Keystone oil pipeline from Canada. “No. 1, we’re going to take advantage of our energy, and that’s going to create millions of jobs.”
  
  Improve education and job training, in part by increasing school choice and changing the way teachers are hired and evaluated. “We’ve got fix our schools…. It’s time for us to put the kids and the parents and the teachers first, and the teachers union behind.”
  
  Curtail unfair trade practices, especially those of China. “I will call China a currency manipulator and stop them in their tracks from killing American jobs.”
  
  Cut the federal deficit by reducing federal spending below 20% of GDP. “You’re not going to get entrepreneurs to go out and start an enterprise … unless they realize we’re not headed to Greece.”
  
  Champion small business by cutting taxes and regulations, and by overturning Obamacare. “We need small business to grow. … Small businesses have been crushed these past four years.”
  
  “If we do those five things I’m talking about, we’re going to create about 12 million jobs in the next four years,” he says.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 8:37pm
  @Honor
  I will address those 5 points in some other article
  
  But at the end of the day you are falling for the same tricks that are used every 4 years. Are you really going to take a politician at their word and their promises as the Bible? Havent you learned ANYTHING??? It doesnt matter what a politician says they will do – the only way you can judge them is by looking at their RECORD
  
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- honor007
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 8:45pm
  Do I seem like someone that is going to change her mind?
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 8:51pm
  im not trying to change your vote – i am trying to change your attitude. You should have no faith in what a politician says during an election campaign.
  
  If you have listened to Glenn Beck before 2011, you should already know this
  
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- Kupo
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 10:51pm
  @SOYBOMB
  
  Correct, especially when the candidate in question has been on every side of every pertinent issue depending on the political climate of the hour and whichever way the wind is blowing. A more inconsistent candidate could not possibly have been chosen to go up against Obama.
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 11:52pm
  @soybomb315_II
  “im not trying to change your vote – i am trying to change your attitude. You should have no faith in what a politician says during an election campaign.”
  
  Does that include what Dr. Ron Paul says “during an election campaign” when HE is running?
  
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- Kupo
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 12:17am
  The Monk
  
  Don’t ignore parts of Soy’s quote, please. He said, “It doesnt matter what a politician says they will do – the only way you can judge them is by looking at their RECORD”
  
  So no, what Ron Paul SAYS doesn’t really mean diddly squat. His record, on the other hand, speaks volumes about the kind of guy he is.
  
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- RonPaulOrNoOne
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 1:08am
  Romney Supports the NDAA. How does any American Support such a Freedom killing Bill. It shocks me.
  
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- West Coast Patriot
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 2:56pm
  Honor, Yeah, he will get tough with China. Russia and China has said that if we even go after Iran, which Romney say’s he will, it will be the beginning of WWIII. China told it’s Navy last December to start preparing for war with the U.S. I guess you are ready for that? The way to change the system with China is to end all the high regulations and taxes on corporations to entice them back, not charge in with guns blazing against a country that is preparing for war with us that has ten times the population and enough nukes to wipe out all life on the planet. We need to stop being interventionists and start thinking about us. Sometimes I wonder where all of you got your education from.
  
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TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:38pm
Paul’s been livin’ off the Repub party for years. What a poser. He is irrelevant. Oh, and the ‘news letters’ were terrific, Ron.

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- justangry
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:48pm
  LOL I heard you bashing Romney on your show way back when. Way to stand your ground, Tron!
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:53pm
  @Tron
  Then why do you guys fret about the Ron Paul vote on a daily basis?
  
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- Individualism
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:10pm
  book of mormon isn’t any nicer than those newsletters.
- grimmster
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:24pm
  @Tron.
  I see encinom couldnt help but come after you with no less than three of his many online names,what a pos loser he is……Least he made a buck fifty for those there posts….
  
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- TRONINTHEMORNING
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 8:46pm
  That’s right, I bashed ‘em all. None are perfect and Romney was my 4th choice. But yep, ABO is my line of thought and that has never changed. I would have voted for Paul if he had been chosen. He wasn’t. Therefore, I vote Romney. It’s quite simple really, to remove Obama you vote for the GOP. You don’t scrap your vote on a guy who isn’t even running–unless you don’t understand the gravity of this country’s situation. Many don’t to be sure.
  
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- TRONINTHEMORNING
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 8:53pm
  The book of Mormon is not the theology I follow. I follow Christ alone. Old Testament and New Testament explains it all for me. However, if the fellow who is strikingly more conservative that the socialist prez we have now is a Mormon–fine. He can believe in soap or door knobs; just as long as he considers captialism and free market values as part of American liberty.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 8:54pm
  Tron, many of us could have been swayed during the primary but after what the republicans did in certain state conventions and during the national convention – why in the world would we stick around???
  
  You guys weep and gnash teeth but you ignore all recent history
  
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- Look4DBigPicture
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 9:49pm
  @soybomb315_II
  
  You’re free to write-in Ron Paul or vote for Gary Johnson, but it’s impossible for either to win. Unless you plan to move out of the country, the results of this election will affect you just as much as the rest of us. I hope you choose wisely.
  
  As for me, I want the communist and all his buddies out of the White House, and will joyfully cast my vote for Romney/Ryan.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 9:57pm
  America loses either way. I am hoping for a small moral victory by Gary Johnson getting some name recognition and maybe so much as 5-10% of the vote. Perhaps because of Gary Johnson, in 2016 the two parties will be more Constitutional and libertarian
  
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- LibertyOrDeath12
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 10:45pm
  @TRONINTHEMORNING – I’ll never vote a Mormon. And your show is pathetic.
  
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- TRONINTHEMORNING
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 12:28am
  @LIBERTYORDEATH,
  
  You could be an Obama shill or you may be a very ignorant political neophyte. Either way, your attitude proves you are a lost vote for this country. And that is pathetic.
  
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- LibertyOrDeath12
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 3:15pm
  @TRONINTHEMORNING – I am well aware of what is going on. Your not. Your just a little slave for the media. You do what ever they say. What ever they tell you to do. If the media said jump off a roof, you most likely would.
  
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- Ragnars Repos
  Posted on October 15, 2012 at 3:54am
  @TRONINTHEMORNING: You’re an example of why I will never again support a GOP candidate.
  
  I am indeed a lost vote for the GOP.
  
  I’ll live the rest of my life voting FOR something.
  
  You and your ilk vote FOR the lesser of two evils, which is still voting FOR an evil, isn’t it? Not very life-affirming.
  
  You are gulping down that GOProgressive Kool-Aid, TitM. Mmmmmm….tasty collectivism. Love that “Social Safety Net” goodness! Refreshing slavery!
  
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NeoReCon
Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:36pm
Most of what Paul says is true, however, Mitt Romney is no where near as bad as as*clown Nobama. Especially when two SCOTUS judges are going to be appointed in this next term.

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- justangry
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:42pm
  Even though he said he’d appoint Justices like Roberts? He’s certainly not going to be nominating originalist justices, so what difference does it make? They’ll be progressive justices that believe in the same view of constitutionalism as he and all the progressives on the court.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:57pm
  Romney is about half evil as Obama. But Obama has 4 years left and Romney has 8 (twice the time). So, mathematically they are equally bad in the long term
  
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- NeoReCon
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:57pm
  Not true. If you want to vote for Obama go ahead and select Gary Johnson on you ballot. The most important thing in our lives right now is getting Nobama out of office. Remember Roberts court has protected the 2nd ammendment and with the exception of Nobamacare has protected our constitution. You will watch your rights swirl down the toilet before your very eyes if Obama is re-elected.
  
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- Ronko
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:59pm
  Mitt Romney will be a million times better then Obama, even if Romney drops the ball. At least Romney’s not a marxist although I can’t say the same thing about the POTUS.
  
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- Individualism
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:04pm
  the most important things is to change the direction of the country and destroy the current system and rebuild a new one, not try to influence a fake rigged election give to Obama for 4 more years. GJ our new president or someone else like him after its done.
  
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- LibertyOrDeath12
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 10:46pm
  Romney is going to continue the same old crap.
  
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Individualism
Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:35pm
He is exactly right Gary Johnson 2012 or the same ol party.

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- Parrid1
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:48pm
  Gary Who? You may as well vote for the Atlas Shrugged character.
  
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- Individualism
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:00pm
  if your tired of fake rigged elections, than learn from iceland and revolutionize.
  
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- Ronko
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:00pm
  A vote for johnson is a vote for Obama
  
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- Individualism
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:04pm
  Romney = Obama so your wrong.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:25pm
  nothing says statist like “a vote for x is a vote for y”
  
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- FreeUsAll
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 8:58pm
  I’m voting Gary Johnson. To others on this post who see the one-party system… (Individualism, Soybomb, et al… I’m speaking to you.) Remember what was said by Dr. Paul, “Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.” Let the reEVOLution begin!
  
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- justangry
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 9:53pm
  @Free, I’m voting for Johnson as well. Best man left in the race and we can’t share a party with right wing progressives. It will never work.
  
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- 13th Imam
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 10:20pm
  Hubris, thy name is RP/GJ elite
  
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PlanetReality
Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:35pm
Rand shut your father up already isnt our fight tough enough!!!! Pls leave it for the next election come on already this party needS to wake up and stop campaigning come on already its either GOV TAKEOVER or FREEDOM!! CHOOSE!!!!!

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- The_Jerk
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:40pm
  This is the same Party that gave us Bush II. The same party that had the White House and both Houses of congress. They did nothing. They made it worse. Trust is always difficult to get back once lost, and truth be told, Romney is a progressive Republican.
  
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Totally Domestic
Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:34pm
No difference between Mitt Romney and Obama.

WHAT A CLUELESS USEFUL IDIOT

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- Jaxco
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:17pm
  exactly right… i loathe romney but i am voting for him because the communist must go
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:28pm
  enemy of my enemy is not my friend
  
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sdeakins
Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:33pm
Mayor Ron Paul of Crazytown and Joe Biden represent the same Assclown party.

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- hold_my_stones
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:58pm
  Ron Paul is a liberal in a Repub disguise.
  
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- Ronko
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:06pm
  Joe Biden is the Republicans secret weapon.
  
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Zurich
Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:33pm
We are in a very delicate situation right now and we don’t need some extra salt and pepper from Ron Paul. I wish this gentleman would just be quite until election day, if he really loves this Country.

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- hold_my_stones
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:24pm
  Looks like Paul is trying to sway fence sitters to vote for Omarxist. The commie obama is intent on gutting america & any undecided that cannot see it is just plain stupid.
  
  Romney/Ryan for renewed american exceptionalism and getting our sovereignty back. I actually feel that the NWO may try to do to Mitt what they did to JFK. Romney is going to take charge, tell NATO, EU, & many globalsist to shove it. We’re going to see a resurgence like we had when Reagan was in power.
  
  Fk obama & Ron Paul!
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:27pm
  “just be quiet” says the marxist
  
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- hold_my_stones
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 8:11pm
  Look, after further review, I’ll apologize for my statement (fk Ron Paul)) but by no means am I going to retract it about Obama.
  
  Actually there are a few things that RP speaks truth on, the consitution, the FED, etc, but he needs to quiet down right about now, we need to get commrade obama out of there. Another term with him and you guys 3d party hope will be gone..we’ll all be gone along with out great nation.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 8:20pm
  @hold
  that post was for Zurich but very well then.
  
  I would like you to seriously consider something. Think about all the bad things Obama has done. Ok? Now, compare Obama from 2008-2010 versus Obama 2010-2012. You will note that ever since republicans took the house, Obama has been irrelevant. Therefore, 4 more years of Obama will probably not be as bad as you think (assuming republicans have the house or senate)
  
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- resme
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 9:43pm
  “Looks like Paul is trying to sway fence sitters to vote for Omarxist.”
  
  Obama isn’t a marxist. Marxism denounces American Imperialism. Obama isn’t a communist either. Obama is more in line with Fascism or Trotskyism.
  
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PaulreveresDarknight
Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:31pm
He sits in the middle. No loyalty. Blue & Grey. Both sides Shoot & Reload. THATS happened! Stand for something or be target for both. SELLOUT

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- justangry
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:35pm
  He’s standing for the Constitution which your party is not. Why don’t you stand for something other than ABO?
  
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- The_Jerk
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:37pm
  The truth is the truth. It can not be sold. Sellouts are people that settle for less. Paul is absolutely correct.
  
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NavyVetGreg
Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:30pm
I just want to know what the Romney supporters have against liberty, the constitution, and balanced budget?

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- Dispman
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:34pm
  The fact that you think Ron Paul holds the corner on liberty and the constitution speaks volumes.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:39pm
  That’s easy altruism.
  
  “Only I want to make something clear, I am not a conservative. I think today’s conservatives are WORSE than today’s liberals. If anyone destroys this country it will be the conservatives because they do not know how to preach capitalism. To explain it to the people because they do nothing but apologize and because they’re all altruists. They are all based on religious altruism, and on that combination of ideas you cannot save this country.” Ayn Rand.
  
  There’s the fundamental difference between the Libertarians and the “conservatives”. I mean gay marriage and policing vice are more important than our Bill of Rights. They’re progressives that only pay lip service to our founding ideas and Constitution, yet consider themselves pragmatists, except their entire philosophical premises are based on faith rather than reason .
  
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- Parrid1
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:45pm
  Reducing the size of government in our lives won’t be accomplished with all at once cuts or changes. Let’s hold judgment til some time passes with Romney. If he doesn’t reduce it, well then we can ride him out of own. You would have civil war if he attacked it the way Paul wants to. That’s just not acceptable, as much as I would like a Ron Paul desired outcome.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:52pm
  I’m tired of all you old timers cashing your SS checks and medicare saying it’s not going to happen all at once. Why? You’re the ones that dropped the ball and got ripped off. It’s no more moral to rip off the younger generation to pay for your mistakes than it is to rip off the wealthy to aid the poor, is it?
  
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- Individualism
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:05pm
  what nazis and communists got against it simple.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 9:56pm
  Well is it?
  
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- LibertyOrDeath12
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 3:17pm
  Dispman – The fact that you think Romney supports the Constitution shocks me.
  
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Dispman
Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:30pm
Ron Paul is becoming more and more irrelevant. Reminds me of Ross Perot.

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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:26pm
  If it werent for Ross Perot, Clinton would have never became fiscally conservative. And if we assume elder Bush would have won – we might have had one world government
  
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- Ronko
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:54pm
  @Soybomb
  
  Not true, Clinton became fiscally Conservative because he had too. The Republicans won back the house and if he didn’t adjust he would have been a one term proposition.
  
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- bernieyuiop
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 8:05pm
  Just Like America is becoming more and more irrelevant. As our debt grows so goes our significance. When the dollar crashes no one will care about America anymore. It will be cast upon the dung heap of failed republics. Ruined by ignorant masses of people focused on the wrong things. Diverted from the real problems by a corrupt media, religiosity and self imposed terror of a boogeyman that wouldn’t exist if we only minded our own business. If only we would get our own house in order instead of worrying about the rest of the world. Jesus isn’t going to save America. God isn’t going to save America. “Whenever the people are well-informed, they can be trusted with their own government; whenever things get so far wrong as to attract their notice, they may be relied on to set them to rights.”
  Thomas Jefferson.
  We aren’t there yet. I’m afraid it’s too late. Most people I speak to are completely detached and unaware of anything the government is doing. The laws they are passing. The chipping away of every last bit of Constitutional governance in favor of Corporatism. The last thing this government wants is an educated populace. If we had one many of the representatives would be in prison. It’s obvious many of the Romney supporters on her are nothing more than mouth pieces repeating the things they have heard from the likes of radio personality Sean Hannity. Such as “making him a one term President” People no longer think for themselves. They regurgitate talking points
  
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- RightThinking1
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 8:16pm
  Soy:
  ? What? Why in the world do you believe that Clinton “became conservative”? He moved to the center because he was *forced* there by Gingrich et al.
  Perot was the *reason* that we ended up with Clinton, who did, and is still doing harm to the country.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 8:25pm
  @RightThinking1
  You are thinking about things in simple terms. But remember, Ross Perot opened up the eyes of millions of people to the danger of debt and the fiscal insanity of this country. It is also very likely that if Ross Perot had not opened the eyes of so many, republicans might not have gotten the majority. Equally likely is that Ross Perot showed the republicans that they could be more fiscally conservative and still attract all those voters.
  
  give him some credit
  
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Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:28pm
All Them folks who waved the Gadsden flag and signs with”No To Commie Care” and”No Socialized Medicine” seem fine with Romneycare,HDAA,The Patriot Act,HR 347 Spy Drones Over your house,CISPA……..Only because the guy that supports them has an ‘R’ by his name and is White Instead Of a ‘D’ by his name and is black.

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OlefromMN
Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:28pm
Just when we thought uncle Joe was the only crazy one to show up for Thanksgiving dinner. Here comes crazy uncle Ron. Somebody run out a grab another bottle of Schnapps will ya?

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daverag
Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:27pm
“Shariah law is not a problem” -Ron Paul on Hannity, april 2011

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- dissentnow
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:40pm
  The destruction of our dollar and our entire economic system is a MUCH bigger problem than Sharia.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:58pm
  It isn’t if we adhere to the Constitution. An originalist interpretation of the Constitution would trump Sharia law. It’s the progressives view of constitutionalism that would let sharia law gain traction in this country. Not his philosophy. Sharia simply cannot coexists with the establishment clause if we interpret the constitution the way it was meant. Not this living constitution garbage Romney, Obama, Kagan, Ginsburg, Sotomayer, Wilson, etc. believe in.
  
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- psadie
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:59pm
  How can Ron Paul say “Shariah is not a problem?” This is the problem at hand. CA is advancing Shariah along with other southern states and Michigan. It is ridiculous to have another law oversee our Constitution and laws. This is how things start and then 20 years from now we will be wondering what happened to get to that point. These Muslims need to follow the law of the USA and if you don’t like it then get the hell out.
  
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- Individualism
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:05pm
  no its not an issue the US has to deal with.
  
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- daverag
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 8:39pm
  The point is we already have an islamophile in the White House.
  
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- Individualism
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 9:01pm
  And a Mormon would be any better? your not concerned about Romney has most of Bushes zionist foreign policy advisors in the white house, to me that is as bad is not worse because they will make us go to war for their country troops in Iraq for 100 years, attacking harmless iran and attacking Syria for Turkey?
  
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Tri-ox
Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:27pm
And the days dwindle down to a precious few …

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familyofsix
Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:26pm
For crying out loud Ron Paul, help us get Obama out of the White House! Or just pick up your toys and leave the sandbox without kicking anymore sand on Romney, but please leave!

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- nesmond
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:31pm
  To quote the late-great Ed McMahon, “You are correct sir!”.
  
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SonOfThunder
Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:26pm
The crazy uncle just can not stop wanting attention. Who cares what this guy thinks…The loserterian party should just go away. They will never win anything.

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CatB
Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:26pm
Dr. Paul .. and what party did you run in the primary as ???? Now go away you little flea .. really sick of this attention w%#@#.

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- justangry
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:35pm
  I mean you might not like it, but what did he say that was wrong? Foreign policy, monetary policy, Goldman Sachs backing, bailouts? I mean the differences are slight. Romney wants less regulation, but still wants regulations. He’s not a laissez faire capitalist by any stretch and would still fit into the central planning role. He’s better on energy independence, but that’s not going to alleviate our problems for years. He’s more militant than Obama, which for me isn’t a good thing. Gay marriage isn’t the federal government’s business and he didn’t even mention how they’re identical on violating our constitutional rights. Why not be mad at your party instead of the man that’s just speaking the truth?
  
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- CatB
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:30pm
  If you think the MUSLIM and Romney are the same .. then you are mighty confused.
  
  R & R 2012
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 8:05pm
  Romney is about half evil as Obama. But Obama has 4 years left and Romney has 8 (twice the time). So, mathematically they are equally bad in the long term
  
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- justangry
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 12:36am
  Oh come on Cat, quit dodging. What did he say that was wrong? Or what did I say that was wrong? Don’t just call us nuts like the lefties would do.
  
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- jadams1214
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 5:19pm
  @CATB MUSLIM=MORMON=CHRISTIAN=BUDDHIST=PAGAN=why are you so obsessed with a persons religious beliefs?
  
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justangry
Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:26pm
Can we also do the story where Gary Johnson said, “Obama is just as militant as Bush and Romney is simply “whacky nuts”"?

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idarusskie
Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:25pm
Ron paul lost the primary get over it.

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- CatB
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:29pm
  AMEN!
  
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- Simonne
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 8:43pm
  Ten yrs. from now, they will still whine about it. It’s over for Paul period & if they want to save this country, they better vote for Romney. There is a big difference between the two of them but they are too blind to see the difference.
  
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- dissentnow
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 9:38pm
  “if they want to save this country, they better vote for Romney”
  Romney is going to save the country? Who is being blind, again?
  
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- justangry
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 8:20am
  Spell it out Simone.
  
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- RonPaulOrNoOne
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 3:12pm
  Ron Paul got cheated. So no I won’t get over it. And I’ll never vote for Romney. I’d rather die.
  
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nesmond
Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:25pm
As for Paul, his foreign policy is a death sentence to Israel. As for whatever similarities the two candidates share, One candidate is an evil satan-spawned communist-muslim whose world views are akin to that of the antichrist, while the other stands by Israel, thinks abortion is wrong and people should not be punished for success.

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- Individualism
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:47pm
  go move to Israel if you care about it more than America.
  
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- nesmond
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:04pm
  Hey ******, I can support Israel from wherever the F*U*C*K I want.
  
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- nesmond
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:07pm
  Can’t believe they did not allow R*E*T*A*R*D.
  
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- Individualism
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:09pm
  than your a traitor to America for not putting it first.
  
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- nesmond
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:22pm
  Traitor? I’m a Viet Nam veteran, Nancy-boy. What are you? I support Israel because God commands it. I believe Benjamin Netanyahu is a modern-day Joshua who Loves his country more than you could possibly understand. You sir, and I use the term “sir” loosely, are a moron who cannot see what is being played out on the world stage. In the future, I suggest you reply to those with the same level of ignorance as yourself. As it stands right now, you are out of your league.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:28pm
  Israel has more military power than the rest of the middle east combined. It’s a bit of a stretch to call anything a ‘deathnail’ to Israel
  
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- Individualism
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:31pm
  Netanyahu is a reckless war monger that is bought and paid for by defense contractors like your boy Romney. i hope they get that monster out before he risks the annihilation of his country on a terrorist attack on Iran. God told you to? no some war mongering zionist or neo con who wrote your version of the bible you wrote did or maybe your preacher lol. your seriously willing to risk your life or childrens life for another country that is making the offensive move on a harmless country?
  
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- honor007
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 7:32pm
  @nesmond, Thank you for your service. I believe what we are seeing in the Middle East is not half as bad as what a Ron Paul Administration would look like? They are kidding themselves!
  
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- LibertyOrDeath12
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 10:47pm
  Go to Israel if you care so much. Go send your checks over to Israel too while your at it clown.
  
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- RonPaulOrNoOne
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 1:12am
  I Support Israel too. I am also a Christian too. And I work for 3 Christian Retreats. And I am well aware of the Mormon thought on Christians. And Yes.. I do not trust Romney. And I can’t stand when Mormons try to convince others that they are Christians. Just because we have similar moral beliefs, doesn’t mean we are the same. Jesus Christ would never support some thing called the NDAA. Tell me how that is Moral?
  
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- justangry
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 8:05am
  “I support Israel because God commands it.”… Religious altruism. Can you think of any other countries that have used altruism as their primary philosophy? Germany in he 30s-40s and Soviet Russia, perhaps? You really want us to go to war because YOUR god that you can’t prove exists commands it? You’re as immoral as the whack job Muslim extremists and your ideas are unconstitutional.
  
  Hey happy, do you get it now?
  
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- Goldwater Conservative
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 10:57am
  Yes, you have the right to support Israel. You can open up your own bank account and send all of it to the Israeli government, or you personally can go over there and help them fight. But, you do not have the right to stick your hand in my pocket and steal my money, or to risk my country’s treasure or safety to fight a war that has nothing whatsoever to do with our national security.
  
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- Norm D. Plume
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 10:21pm
  @Goldwater Conservative:
  
  You, sir, hit the nail squarely on its head.
  
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The_Jerk
Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:24pm
Ron Paul is correct.

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justangry
Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:19pm
I saw that the other day. Very funny and very true.

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- Socco
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:25pm
  True, but not funny, in my opinion.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:54pm
  The comment is funny not the reality of the situation. Primarily because it gets all the social progressives’ panties in a bunch.
  
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