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Liberal Professor: Romney Is Successful Because He’s White

Oct. 15, 2012 11:32pm Mytheos Holt

Since Mitt Romney’s sudden, abrupt turnaround after the first Presidential debate, Democrats have rushed to analyze the reasons behind President Obama’s performance. And curiously, given the Left’s prior obsession with this issue, one factor that has remained all but completely ignored is the question of racism.

Now, that silence has been broken by a professor at the University of Rochester named Stephanie Li. Li has argued in a Huffington Post article posted today that Romney’s success in life is based on “privilege” – specifically, privilege based on Romney’s skin color, though not exclusively:

The Romney’s [sic] shortsightedness on this issue demonstrates their ignorance of one of the central ideas in the field of critical race studies, the unearned privileges accorded to whiteness. In her foundational essay, “White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack,” Peggy McIntosh likens whiteness to “an invisible weightless knapsack of special provisions, maps, passports, codebooks, visas, clothes, tools and blank checks.” McIntosh goes on to list dozens of ways in which her whiteness provides her with greater degrees of social validation, convenience, comfort, safety and opportunity. She enumerates how because of her whiteness she “can be sure that if I ask to talk to ‘the person in charge’ I will be facing a person of my race” and “Whether I use checks, credit cards, or cash, I can count on my skin color not to work against the appearance of financial reliability.” Read by countless high school and college students every year, McIntosh’s essay is a classic in understanding how whiteness, with its close associations to financial stability, remains an invisible standard in American society. Critical race studies has elucidated the ways in which all Americans are impacted by their racial identities, and how whiteness is not a universal model of being, but instead a specific social construction.

Romney truly is the whitest man to run for president because he doesn’t realize how his whiteness has influenced his life and how his class standing provided him with remarkable educational and financial opportunities. Instead he explains in the leaked video, “I was born with a silver spoon, which is the greatest gift you could have, which is to get born in America.” Romney’s blindness to his own racial and class privilege feeds into the myth of meritocracy, the false illusion that simply by hard work and steely determination, it is possible to attain the American dream. According to the 2010 census, 40 percent of black children are born into poverty compared to 8 percent of white children. None of these children, black or white, are born with silver spoons.

CampusReform spotted this racially focused op ed and blew the whistle on it. It is consistent with a video released by the liberal organization The Message, which has accused Romney of being “so white [he] makes Wonderbreak look like Pumpernickel.”

Also, the article’s citation of “Critical Race Studies” evinces an ideological predisposition that may have been held by the President himself, who famously hugged – and gave a speech supporting – Critical Race Theorist Derrick Bell during his time at Harvard Law School. It is probably that the President has moved on from this way of thinking since his law school days, it is instructive to know just what Barack Obama as a Law School student might have thought of his fellow Harvard alumnus Mitt Romney. Moreover, this information may provide some clues as to why Obama in the present day might view Romney with such well-publicized contempt.

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Devildog0166
Posted on October 16, 2012 at 12:59am
Here is a perfect example of why some people “home school” their children and have them get their so called “higher learning”, college degree, via the internet.
I don’t recall teachers/instructors/professors being this moronic.
Semper Fi

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- sillyfreshness
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 2:36am
  Same old tired, stale Marxist propaganda. These Bolshevik professors should be “dealt with” accordingly as traitors.
  
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- yougottabekidding
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 5:40am
  FORWARD = 180 degree turn then go with determination
  
  Did you not read the story about yhe teacher that said it was against the law to say something negative about hussain?
  That say’s it all
  
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- Pigpen
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 6:09am
  “We are willing enough to praise freedom when she is safely tucked away in the past and cannot be a nuisance. In the present, amidst dangers whose outcome we cannot foresee, we get nervous about her, and admit censorship.” E.M. Forster
  
  I agree with DEVILDOG. But social workers, as a professional group, TARGET homeschoolers for vigilant state oversight! The homeschooler is not subject to the unrelenting white-bashing and social engineering like Professor Li is exhibiting. Currently theBlaze censors 4 out of every 5 of my posts, so I will refrain from the more colorful rhetoric that I have used to grab your attention in the past, but let me still ask you –Do you still feel omnipotent? Do you still feel that you can ignore people like Professor Li, just because you are white? You WILL BE destroyed by angry minorities like Professor Li if you do not do something to stop the momentum they have seized. Homeschooling WILL BE MADE ILLEGAL if you allow this sort of filth to go unchecked. Please, read “Culture of Critique” by Dr Kevin MacDonald. The fact that this condemnation of Romney as a racist is coming from an Asian, female, minority at a “baby-ivy” institution is NO ACCIDENT. It is a deliberately engineered delivery of the RACIST “scarlet letter”. And if you yourself are an Asian minority, do you really want Prof Li to be your new face of Asian America?
  
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- HKS
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 6:57am
  However, according to a Florida school board , he’s right.
  
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- ExpertShot
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 8:09am
  When I was in graduate school, I took some classes with teachers pursuing master’s degrees in education. Let me tell you, those were some of the dumbest folks I’d ever seen. They whined & complained about setting up an experiment & how it was “too hard” to figure out the formula for how to come up with the statistics for the experiment. We didn’t have to actually do the experiment or the statistics for it (which I was required to do in my undergrad in psych), just explain the process & give the formulas we would use.
  As far as “white privilege”, that’s a progressive term they came up with to control people. I got an e-mail not too long ago about a conference & guess what…now there’s “heterosexual privilege”, imagine that.
  
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- poorrichard09
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 8:25am
  OK, so how did 0bozo get to be president? Maybe his white half was priviledged?
  
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- johnjamison
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 8:33am
  If a white professor argued that affirmative action has giving minorities priviledge why at the same time penalized underpriviledged whites who demostrated a more advanced intellect but denied them scholarship in order meet minority quotas. That many whites with better job records are passed over for promotion to meet those same quotas,the many whites never get the chance to start a business or buy a home inspite of having a better business plan or means to pay back loans than their minorty counterparts. THIS ISN’T AN INVISIBLE NAPSACK THIS IS ACTUAL LAWS AND REGULATIONS STACKED AGAINST WHITE MEN……
  Would I as a professor be allowed to teach this to student even with the physical evidence and case evidence to actually back my argument.
  But thyis racist professor can argument and teach her invisible evidence claims and the school does nothing. Time to close down the entire public and federal funded educational system.
  
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- Secret Squirrel
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 9:10am
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  So black people can’t be successful?
  Don’t tell P Diddy, Michael Jordan, Robert Johnson,
  or Oprah. The truth is Obama is successful BECAUSE he’s black.
  
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- Maji
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 12:39pm
  Could it be possible that he was able to get a job a professor because he’s a lib-socialist??
  
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- tcseacliff
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 1:29pm
  Boy, I wish I had one of those knapsacks, sounds sweet! where do they get this stuff from? probably doing coacaine or something,because this stuff is real fantasy!
  
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- Silvertruth
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 3:44pm
  All of this misses the simple truth, you have a class of people BELIEVING this about another ‘class’ of people. The ‘victim’ class proclaims the other class as racist and automatically priviledged, while the ‘accused’ class just says ‘not us!’. There is only one way to break this cycle, prove that meritocracy DOES work and is not a ‘myth’. The victims will never believe it, but victims will always feel victimized- no matter what the truth is. You don’t aim to convince them, you aim to stop more victims from being created. Eventually victimization will die out and you will be left with people that believe in themselves and in others again.
  
  So, don’t worry about homeschool, teach your kids, friends and everyone what personal responsibility and work can accomplish. The victim complex will go away all by itself. ACHIEVE!
  
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- pitboss711
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 5:50pm
  If this is the case, then is Russell Simmons successful because he’s black?
  
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- OlderCowGirl
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 6:54pm
  My idea is that we all chip in and see that every black skinned person gets a bleach job. I’m serious! Michael Jackson did it. He turned out white. Forget the plastic surgery…go for the “whitening”. Anyone who feels they are too dark qualifies for the whitening. Now everyone who wants is white and equal. Would things be different? What is this obsession about white skin? I happen to be dark skinned but not black . I like my skin color. I didn’t know there was a difference in color until someone told me. Children are color-blind until someone tells them different.
  
  Why is it that so many 3rd world countries have different living standards than Americans, Europeans, Australians, Netherlands, Japanese, etc? For example, why are so many Africans, Haitians, Iranians, Iraqis, Mexicans, etc…so far behind in they’re development that they can barely feed themselves, and they all want to move to “white countries”? Does it really have to do with color (ie, genetics)??? What confounds me the most is that when these under developed country folks do come to “white countries”…they want to have the same living standards as these more evolved countries…but want to keep their same laws and lifestyles? This does not make sense to me. If you want for example the “American Dream” wouldn’t you behave as the Americans, or copy what they did to “get there”? Why do poor people hate rich people? Why not just spend that energy and copy them?
  
  Wiser to copy t
  
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bandit87
Posted on October 16, 2012 at 12:53am
Obama wouldn’t have been elected in 2008 if he hadn’t been black and got the “soccer mom” guilt vote against an aging politician with a questionable VP pick!

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- Verceofreason
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 12:55am
  Sarah Palin elected Obama, hon.
  
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- Steve Crisp
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 3:12am
  Uh no, verce. The choice of Palin prevented a complete blowout of McCain by Obama, holding it to a seven point spread. It would have probably been 15 or more without her.
  
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- whohasanear
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 5:32am
  McCain’s popularity skyrocketed after he chose Sarah Palin. That’s a fact. Libs hated her, but they weren’t going to vote for McCain anyway. Conservatives loved her! She is a real person, and she speaks to everything that “we” love about America: country, family, faith, etc. She is “us.” Libs are arrogant, elitist, hypocrites who look down on anyone that isn’t liberal. It is a compliment that the libs hate Sarah.
  
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- yougottabekidding
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 5:46am
  FORWARD = 180 degree turn then go with determination
  
  The choice of McCain was the problem
  To this day I would sooner have Palin then McCain. I was suprised he did not pick teddy for his running mate.
  
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- 00100111
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 9:37am
  LOL. Derp derp much, verce? McCain lost his own election. Palin helped it not be as bad. Face it, if Obama was white, he’d never have made it past the primaries, and you know it.
  
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- Alky
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 11:36am
  He wouldn’t have been elected if the main stream media did their job objectively instead of being his personal campaign press!
  
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- mpoconnor7
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 6:45pm
  There is no way Obama would have even won the 2008 Democratic Nomination if he had been a one hundred percent white man. Hillary would have played the gender card, the media would have gotten behind her with the “Let’s elect a female as President” angle and any attack against her would be defined as being sexist, and he would have been buried in the primaries, although she would have thrown him a bone and maybe he would be her Secretary of State or Attorney General when she beat McCain in the November elections.
  
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pandora
Posted on October 16, 2012 at 12:52am
I guess that makes Obama only 50% successful.

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- adeleeeee
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 3:41am
  Then Oprah is white!
  
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- willingtoupe
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 7:03am
  Come on now stop lying everyone. All a white person needs to do is have a well kept hygene, proper grammer, abled body, and have a clean criminal record and everything is square for them. Aside from competition against other whites, if they weren’t the benefactors of skin color, they were definantly the deciders.
  
  Whites have 99 regular problems but thier skin color isn’t 1.
  
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- Gonzo
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 7:09am
  I guess that makes McCain hispanic?
  
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- Gonzo
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 8:11am
  Willing: Come on now stop lying everyone. All a BLACK person needs to do is have a well kept hygene, proper grammer, abled body, and have a clean criminal record and everything is square for them.
  Throw your curtch away and walk, you’re healed.
  
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marine249
Posted on October 16, 2012 at 12:40am
Romny is successful because he’s white? No.
It’s because he worked his **** off, unlike you
lib’s out there.

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BODYBAG
Posted on October 16, 2012 at 12:36am
“Put The White Back In The White House”
Anyone remember that T-Shirt?

How about this that appeared on The Blaze? Un-Fair Campaign against “Whiteness”
and “White Priviledge”
http://unfaircampaign.org/action/stop-it/

“This campaign is about white privilege and so these suggestions are focused on what white
people can do.”

Barry the Kenyan Boy-King got elected because of racism and most of his
voting block are behind him solely because of his skin color.

Step forward if you want to apologize for being born white. Not this kid.
People should start being honest with themselves and stop being suckered into this guilt scam.

If racism is such a terrible blight on society then go tell that to fine successful people like
Allen West, Mia Love, Herman Cain, Robert L. Johnson, Michael Jordan, Denzel Washington,
etc, etc, etc.

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- whohasanear
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 5:51am
  That t-shirt (white in the white house) was worn by a liberal infiltrator! It certainly wasn’t a conservative. No conservative would ever wear a shirt like that. That isn’t how we think.
  
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carl_in_ohio
Posted on October 16, 2012 at 12:23am
Could we not also say that Dr. Li got her job because she is an Asian female who writes about race?
What about Senator Kerry (former Presidential candidate), all of the Kennedy’s? They’re also Caucasian. Is she phobic to Caucasians??

She teaches English and creative writing.
She’s entitled to an opinion. Though I don’t think its fair or unbiased.

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- DIR
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 2:57am
  Li. Li is a real moronic demwit. She says: Romney Is Successful Because He’s White. Her statement in the article can be construed to then mean blacks aren’t successful because they are black, which suggests they are incapable and for reasons other than color. That’s an anti black racist statement. She’s a professor? Is she anti black? What’s for sure, she’s a stupid liberal. In any event she needs to avoid such topics because it only shows her crass stupidity. Because of her position and by holding herself out as an authority, she’s making a fool out of herself in particular and Asians is general, not to mention liberals. Then again, libs make fools of themselve all the time, so what’s new in that regard.
  
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- whohasanear
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 5:48am
  DIR: I agree with you except about the point that “Li is making a fool out of Asians, in general.” As individuals, we can only make a fool of ourselves- not our ethnic group, family, religion, etc. As Americans, actually, as humans, hopefully one day we can get past judging people based on the actions of others in some group of which they are a member.
  
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I Luv America
Posted on October 16, 2012 at 12:22am
So, it’s Obama’s white side that made him President? I don’t think so.

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drrgb
Posted on October 16, 2012 at 12:19am
So Romney’s a success because he’s white. Does that mean Obama is now blaming being black for his abysmal failure?

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karlmarxjr
Posted on October 16, 2012 at 12:13am
When I lost my job with a major airline many years ago, there were many who were white who lost their jobs also. I did not see them get any special treatment because of their skin color. They lost everything like I did. They had to wait on unemployment like I did. They had to scramble to make ends meet for themselves and their families like I did. And I’m a Hispanic!. So I suggest Ms. Li to get a real job like the rest of us working fools and suffer the “slings and arrows of outrageous fortune” like many of us do, REGRADLESS of race. She can sit behind a desk and spew such gutwrenching stupidity and get away with it is beyond me. But yet again many of those who work at these colleges live in such an illusionary world.

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DennisNJ
Posted on October 16, 2012 at 12:08am
Here we go again with that “race card”!

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ep8568
Posted on October 16, 2012 at 12:07am
One word: “McCain”

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phillycornerboy
Posted on October 16, 2012 at 12:05am
simply classic communist propaganda. let’s see, who else uses race as a measure of a persons abilities…commies, dems, nazis, kkk,and, oh yes, muslims. how telling.

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- drs1969
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 12:26am
  95% blacks voted Obama.
  78% Jews voted Obama.
  White christians had better wake up, the IRS wants what you have.
  
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listeninginVT
Posted on October 15, 2012 at 11:59pm
aaaah, more ‘sustainability’ talk. the whole only whites can be racist, and ‘unearned privilege’ garbage now being taught in most, at least 600 + at last count, college and universities.
the ‘racial studies’ interpretation of how ‘you didn’t build your life’, just another avenue of trash from the Liberal progressive left.

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- hold_my_stones
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 12:10am
  Talk about putting them back in chains.!?
  
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BOstinks
Posted on October 15, 2012 at 11:53pm
What’s her excuse for being a racist idiot? Skin color, mental disorder, white guilt complex, member of the ‘gimmedat party’? Whatever she is paid it is far more than she deserves.

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- I support God's Israel!
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 12:13am
  I am so tired of these types of unintelligent remarks. It goes to the character. I’d say the discriminators are the very people who yell, ‘racist’. THEY ARE THE RACISTS, NOT THE PERSON THEY ARE ACCUSING.
  
  A friend told me that I was racist because I had made a nice comment about a black waitress at our table. She was very lovely. He looked at me and called me a racist. I almost fell out of my chair and thought he was joking. He just stared at me. We were with a group of co-workers. He was the only black person at the table. I think everyone at the table felt the same way, and wanted to yell, “FOUL”. But, oddly enough, we all turned to this guy and stared at him – never saying a word – just a blank stare. You could tell he was so uncomfortable and I think, he was beginning to feel foolish about what he said.
  
  When we got back to the office, he did come over and apologize and I asked him why he said it. He couldn’t tell me why. I told him to stop listening to other people and listen to his heart instead.
  We are still friends and he never said that again. In fact, I think he avoids such things.
  
  All I can say is my friend has GREAT CHARACTER. For one, he apologized. Two, he learned something that day at lunch: never yell racist in an all white group. (just kidding).
  
  Since that time, as we have talked, I have learned how hard it had been for him growing up, in a rough neighborhood. But I told him that he got out ON HIS OWN. Be proud! Do not l
  
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- drs1969
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 12:32am
  Be careful w/ this guy. He is mentally disarming you w/ talk about his hard life growing up. Big Red Flag warning!
  He was most likely jealous because you were eyeing a black chick. White guys used to be this way before they were ‘neutered’.
  
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sinsay7
Posted on October 15, 2012 at 11:49pm
Stephanie Li is a very sick person. Liberalism of this sort is a mental condition.

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- Shaqfuey
  Posted on October 15, 2012 at 11:59pm
  Look at her info page on the university website – she makes everything about race. When are we going to teach our students english, math and science skills and cut out the ******** like Toni Morrison and courses that focus on the evils of America. F-k anything this woman has to say. Her agenda is clear. Her thinking, unfortunately, isn’t.
  
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toto
Posted on October 15, 2012 at 11:49pm
Feel sorry for minorities having to be fed this crap as “learned” material. It is infuriating and insulting to those good black people out there that are every bit as capable and hard working and are SUCCESSFUL. The ghetto urban blacks that don’t go to school or stay in school, rob, kill, deal and do drugs have no one but themselves to blame for their plight and the choices they make, and maybe the Jesse Jacksons and Al Sharptons who must keep them there in order to enrich themselves.

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Chancellor
Posted on October 15, 2012 at 11:47pm
Back to “Race baiting” again. Can’t be because he worked at it, or did his homework and took the time to do the work……..nah it has to be racist…….

Guess the same could be said of you Professor. They only hired you because of Affirmative action and quotas. So isn’t that the same thing? You didn’t do anything to get the Position. It was give to you because of race!

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rookorami
Posted on October 15, 2012 at 11:46pm
He was privileged from birth, this is true. This afforded him better schools and chances to succeed. But isn’t that the American dream? To leave your kids better off than you were and so on? For instance my Dad grew up poor. His Dad worked 3 jobs to take care of his family. My Dad worked really hard with one job and I had much more growing up than he did. I have been afforded certain privileges and I hope to leave my kids better off, at least no worse, than I was. We want more for future generations so we work to elevate them. I would Agree with soy in that the success of the parents gives more than skin color.

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- Bikkiboo
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 12:05am
  I agree. The “American Dream” means the OPPORTUNITY to succeed, no more. It’s evident by all of the immigrants who’ve come here and succeeded. It didn’t matter their color or country. What mattered was their gumption, determination, character, and work ethic. Plenty of black Americans have succeeded just as Romney has: Herman Cain, Frederick Douglass, Adam West, etc., etc. Even Obama “succeeded”. How do they explain that? Or can’t they? It does seem from all the secrets which are suspected, that maybe, just maybe, he DIDN’T succeed through the American Dream. If he worked hard and EARNED admission to those fancy colleges, why isn’t he proud, as most people would be, to share his grades and accomplishments? This is why I don’t like Affirmative Action. It may have been somewhat helpful at first, but by going on for so long, it makes people question whether the minority really EARNED his success or was “gifted” through to his/her current “success”. That’s not at all fair to those who really did all of the work and had the character, etc. They’re lumped in with the “giftees”. They have to work even harder to prove they’re worth it, and they’re always under suspicion. I’m tired of victims, of racism, and of Affirmative Action. No one but the truly disabled should get stuff without working for it in whatever way they can.
  
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- rookorami
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 12:23am
  I agree and to further the point there are plenty of people who squander their fortunes and privileges. Regardless of color. Affirmative action had its time and place, we need to get back to a merit based society. Your took what you had and through hard work you earned it. We give everything too easily now. What is with the “no losers” philosophy there are loser in the real world, but what they forget to tell people is even the success have had failures, they learned from them.
  
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- drs1969
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 12:39am
  Affirmative Action was created to compensate for desegregation. When the races kept to themselves, no one asked for favors from YT. The favors never go the other way, only from YT. It’s an Extortion Racket. Jesse and Al’s shakedown.
  
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- Anonymous T. Irrelevant
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 1:40am
  True, Romney inherited a lot of money, BUT, gave it away and started over. Left with nothing, but what he was making, he used his brain and hard work and started Bain, which became Staples. Any hard-working American with an MBA could have done it, but stupid, lazy people, with contempt for people with money think he magically made it happen overnight.
  Li is a racist, by saying Romney’s “whiteness” helped him in life, is also saying that other people’s “blackness” is keeping them down. That their blackness means they aren’t smart enough, or have enough ambition or drive to create or keep a business going.
  It works both ways, Li. Democrats never think anything through, their emotions get in the way.
  
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Ray2447
Posted on October 15, 2012 at 11:46pm
This is a private university, however this type of leftist propaganda is daily spewed from professor’s podiums on taxpayer funded college and university campuses all across America – as shown in “Marxist Valley College” at Youtube. http://tinyurl.com/44btbq8 Does anyone still believe their kids can get an unbiased education in places like these?

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9635kari
Posted on October 15, 2012 at 11:44pm
Would that be like Oprah Winfrey, Clarence Thomas, Michael Jordan, Condoleeza Rice, Hank Aaron, Bill Cosby..I could go on and on. These black people are incredibly successful but when you have brain dead professors at our pathetic universities, I would not expect her to be anything but a moron!!!!

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ScarletRose
Posted on October 15, 2012 at 11:42pm
IF Romney is successful BECAUSE he is White – then WHY is Obama successful? – Because we KNOW Obama is successful only because he is MERELY 1/8th Black! And no other reason whatsoever.

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BIGWUN
Posted on October 15, 2012 at 11:41pm
And you’re still in school past 40 because you are both a fool and a Girly-Man.

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RightThinking1
Posted on October 15, 2012 at 11:40pm
Is there anyone who has enjoyed more ‘privilege’ than Obama? I mean he’s the President of The United States, and he’s never lifted a finger.
This guy is a racist, pure and simple.

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californiapatriotmom
Posted on October 15, 2012 at 11:40pm
Racist. And she could say she’s stupid because she’s a professor, but I digress.

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soybomb315_II
Posted on October 15, 2012 at 11:38pm
it would be much more accurate to say mitt romney is successful largely due to his father. Whether you are talking about wealth or societal status – both helped propel romney to be more successful. Romney could have been successful coming from a middle class background – but it would have been much more difficult

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