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Oct. 16, 2012 10:58pm Jonathon M. Seidl

Below is the fact check written and published by the Associated Press following Tuesday night’s presidential debate.

US President Barack Obama (R) and Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney (L) participate in the second presidential debate, the only held in a townhall format, at the David Mack Center at Hofstra University in Hempstead, New York, October 16, 2012, moderated by CNN’s Candy Crowley. Credit: AFP/Getty Images

WASHINGTON (AP) — In the rough-and-tumble of a town hall-style debate, not all of the presidential candidates’ claims stood up to scrutiny Tuesday night.

Yet again, President Barack Obama claimed that ending the Afghanistan and Iraq wars makes money available to “rebuild America,” even though it doesn’t. And he pointed to a string of job creation while ignoring the job losses that came before it, on his watch.

Republican Mitt Romney actually corrected some of the errant claims he’s made before, while stretching the facts on the auto bailout he opposed.

A look at some of their claims:

OBAMA: “Let’s take the money that we’ve been spending on war over the last decade to rebuild America, roads, bridges, schools. We do those things, not only is your future going to be bright, but America’s future is going to be bright as well.”

THE FACTS: What Obama didn’t mention is that much of the money that has been paying for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan was borrowed. In fact, the government borrows nearly 40 cents for every dollar it spends. Thus using money that had been earmarked for wars to build schools and infrastructure would involve even more borrowing, adding to the federal deficit.

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ROMNEY: “I know he keeps saying, `You want to take Detroit bankrupt.’ Well, the president took Detroit bankrupt. You took General Motors bankrupt. You took Chrysler bankrupt. So when you say that I wanted to take the auto industry bankrupt, you actually did. And I think it’s important to know that that was a process that was necessary to get those companies back on their feet, so they could start hiring more people. That was precisely what I recommended and ultimately what happened.”

THE FACTS: What Romney recommended did not happen, and his proposed path probably would have forced General Motors and Chrysler out of business. He opposed using government money to bail out the automakers, instead favoring privately financed bankruptcy restructuring. But the automakers were bleeding cash and were poor credit risks. The banking system was in crisis. So private loans weren’t available. Without government aid, both companies probably would have gone under and their assets sold in pieces.

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OBAMA: “And what I want to do is build on the 5 million jobs that we’ve created over the last 30 months in the private sector alone.”

THE FACTS: As he has done before, Obama is cherry-picking his numbers to make them sound better than they really are. He ignores the fact that public-sector job losses have dragged down overall job creation. Also, he chooses just to mention the past 30 months. That ignores job losses during his presidency up until that point. According to the Labor Department, about 4.5 million total jobs have been created over the past 30 months. But some 4.3 million jobs were lost during the earlier months of his administration. At this point, Obama is a net job creator, but only marginally.

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ROMNEY: “The proof of whether a strategy is working or not is what the price is that you’re paying at the pump. If you’re paying less than you paid a year or two ago, why, then, the strategy is working. But you’re paying more. When the president took office, the price of gasoline here in Nassau County was about $1.86 a gallon. Now, it’s $4.00 a gallon. The price of electricity is up. If the president’s energy policies are working, you’re going to see the cost of energy come down.”

THE FACTS: Presidents have almost no effect on energy prices; most are set on financial exchanges around the world. When Obama took office, the world was in the grip of a financial crisis and crude prices – and gasoline prices along with them – had plummeted because world demand had collapsed. Crude oil prices have since risen even as U.S. oil production has soared in recent years because global demand is reaching new heights as the developing economies of Asia use more oil.

Other energy prices have fallen during Obama’s term. Electricity prices, when adjusted for inflation, are down, and homeowners are finding it much cheaper to heat their homes with natural gas. That’s because natural gas production has surged, reducing prices both for homeowners and for utilities that burn gas to generate electricity.

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OBAMA: “What I’ve also said is, for (those earning) above $250,000, we can go back to the tax rates we had when Bill Clinton was president.”

THE FACTS: Not exactly. The Bush tax cuts set the top income rate at 35 percent. Under Obama’s proposal to raise taxes on households earning more than $250,000, the president would return the top rate to the 39.6 percent set during the Clinton administration. But he neglected to mention that his health care law includes a new 0.9 percent Medicare surcharge on households earning over that amount – and that tax would be retained. The health care law also imposes a 3.8 percent tax on investment income for high earners. So tax rates would be higher for the wealthiest Americans than they were under Clinton.

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ROMNEY: “I’m going to bring rates down across the board for everybody, but I’m going to limit deductions and exemptions and credits, particularly for people at the high end, because I am not going to have people at the high end pay less than they’re paying now.”

THE FACTS: Romney is proposing to cut all income tax rates by 20 percent, eliminate the estate tax and the alternative minimum tax, maintain and expand tax breaks for investment income, and do it all without adding to the deficit or shifting the tax burden from the wealthy to the middle class. He says he would pay for the tax cuts by reducing or eliminating tax deductions, exemptions and credits, but he can’t achieve all of his goals it under the budget rules presidents must follow.

The Tax Policy Center, a Washington research group, says in a study that the tax cuts proposed by Romney would reduce federal tax revenues by about $5 trillion over 10 years. The study concludes that there aren’t enough tax breaks for the wealthy to make up the lost revenue, so the proposal would either add to the deficit or shift more of the tax burden on to the middle class.

Romney’s campaign cites studies by conservative academics and think tanks that say Romney’s plan will spur economic growth, generating enough additional money to pay for the tax cuts without adding to the deficit or shifting the tax burden to the middle class. But Congress doesn’t recognize those kinds of economic projections when it estimates the budget impact of tax proposals.

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ROMNEY: “A recent study has shown that people in the middle class will see $4,000 a year in higher taxes as a result of the spending and borrowing of this administration.”

THE FACTS: Romney’s claim is based on an analysis by the conservative American Enterprise Institute that examines the amount of debt that has accumulated on Obama’s watch and in a potential second term and computes how much it would cost to finance that debt through tax increases. Annual deficits under Obama have exceeded $1 trillion for each year of his term.

However, Obama is not responsible for all of the deficits that have occurred on his watch. Most of the federal budget – like Medicare, food stamps, Medicaid and Social Security – runs on autopilot, and no one in a leadership position in Washington has proposed deep cuts in those programs. And politicians in both parties voted two years ago the renew Bush-era tax cuts that have contributed to the deficit. Even under the strict spending cuts proposed by Romney, the debt would continue to rise, just not as fast.

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Associated Press writers Tom Raum, Jonathan Fahey, Tom Krisher, Stephen Ohlemacher and Andrew Taylor contributed to this report.

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Comments (281)

filiusdracul
Posted on October 16, 2012 at 11:32pm
Where’s the “fact check” on the huge lie Obama told about calling Benghazi a terrorist attack in the rose garden? Biggest whopper of the night.

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- fastfacts
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 11:53pm
  The Fact Checker is lying about Obama and Romney’s dispute with the bailout (GM wouldn’t have gone under with Romney’s plan), Obama owns $100,000 worth of stock in Chinese co. called Sensata (NYT)… The media is playing these things off completely on Obama’s side.
  
  If you missed the debate or want to rewatch it, here is the whole hour and a half: http://www.thedailycandidate.com/video/2012/oct/presidential_debate_live.html
  
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- Ms.Independence
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 11:54pm
  In the worst speech he’s ever given, so void of emotion as he reads his speech, he mentions only “acts of terror” and does not call it a terrorist attack. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKC_dzl3ksA
  
  BTW, did he get a face lift? Eye-bag lift? Or is that all make-up?
  
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- Gold Coin & Economic News
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 11:54pm
  What about the line that Obama said about gas prices being low in 2009 because the economy was on the verge of collapse. It’s on video:
  http://www.isthatbaloney.com/?p=607
  
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- Verceofreason
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 12:03am
  It was not a lie.
  And the moderator called Romney out on this.
  She got applause.
  You must have fallen asleep.
  
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- CATPBJ
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 12:06am
  FILIUSDRACUL – If you were to actually read the transcripts from President Obama’s Rose Garden talk the day after the Bengazi attacks you would indeed hear Obama mention that it was a terrorist attack. However, if you choose to keep your head in the sand and only listen to Glen Beck or other recent or former Fox “News” clowns you will indeed believe the propaganda that they want you to believe in order to fulfill their mission of trying to ruin this great country by promoting the lies of the republican party.
  
  Here is the direct quote from Obama’s Rose Garden talk in which he did mention terror and not once mentioned the anti Muslim film:
  
  “No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.”
  
  Now try and push your propaganda some place else you lying troll sack of manure…..
  
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- CATPBJ
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 12:11am
  @ Gold Coins and whatever, whatever….
  
  President Obama was right once again you freaking idiot! Gas prices were low when he first took office because the global economy was on the brink of disaster and therefore global demand was low so gas prices were low in the USA as a result. This is FACT. This is an economic global consensus of FACT!
  
  So if you want Romney to cause another economic meltdown that almost throws the US into a depression like Bush did, that will definitely lower gas prices. If you want to have the US in a great depression, vote for Romney and that will likely come to fruition…. IDIOT!!!!
  
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- Wolf
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 12:12am
  Who cares what AP fact chek says- listen to the words they said…
  … and what did Romneycare say about gun control and the Constitution?
  He’s the only one running who’s actually banned any kind of weapon and he’s intending to ban more. All you retards who think he’s the answer had better wake up and understand that no election is going to change a thing in this country. RomBama are the same horse and you’re just changing saddles.
  
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- williemcd
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 5:11pm
  Captain Peanut Butter and Jelly is nothing but a freaking TROLL!
  
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- bdsconserv
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 5:50pm
  ap fact check: what a joke. a liberal organization covering for a liberal.
  
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- Freelyn
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 5:55pm
  Agreed, and Crowley admits it to. http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-sheffield/2012/10/17/video-candy-crowley-admits-romney-was-correct-about-libya-attack
  Obama made a generic statement that Acts of Terror will not be tolerated. The spin from the Whitehouse was that this was a Youtube video that insulted Islam and caused the spontaneous protests in Libya and Egypt. Instead, these were terrorist acts committed on 9/11 by potentially members of Al Quaeda.
  
  So stop the nonsense of trying to parse a generic statement that does contain the word Terror but does not at all say, that these acts were terrorist acts as something it is not.
  
  The clear message from the Whitehouse for 14 days was this was outrage at Islam being insulted and not an act of terrorism. They were afraid of what would happen if Americans heard that on 9/11 the United States was hit with a terrorist attack under Obama’s watch so they tried to spin it away.
  Much like they’ve tried to spin away Fast and the Furious and how many “Green” job companies receiving millions and then going bankrupt? Where does all that money go that they are given, is it all accounted for? Every penny?
  
  The People of United States will not tolerate acts of theft. Now, did I say that they were definitely acts of theft that occurred in these ill conceived Government investments or did I simply say that We the People won’t tolerate acts of theft. Convenient language is it not? You’ll notice you can twist it anyway that y
  
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- pitboss711
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 5:56pm
  CATPBJ – Have you earned your free Obama phone yet? Or, did they promise you more EBT Card credits for trolling their lies? Go talk to a wall, because you’re not going to change our minds. Run along now!
  
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- thegreatheed
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 6:01pm
  @CATPBJ Guess what, I listen to Beck, but then I educate myself as well, while you don’t. You just take your talking points from Colbert, MSNBC and the like. HERE’S THE ANOTHER PARAGRAPH OF OBAMA’S SPEECH.
  
  “I have directed my Administration to provide all necessary resources to support the security of our personnel in Libya, and to increase security at our diplomatic posts around the globe. While the United States rejects efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others, we must all unequivocally oppose the kind of senseless violence that took the lives of these public servants.”
  
  Obama directly linked the violence and deaths to “efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others”. I’m sorry, but that is directly referring to the video and saying the video caused the violence, not terrorism.
  
  NOW who is spreading propoganda and is a “lying troll sack of manure…..”?
  
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- Jackal7130
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 7:57pm
  Mr liberal commie lover, go troll msnbc and maybe marty brazeer will let you fondle him and chrissie
  
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- HumbleMan
  Posted on October 18, 2012 at 10:36am
  (http://www.nj.com/hudson/voices/index.ssf/2012/09/obama_did_let_detroit_go_bankr.html) “It’s as if, somehow, not a single Democrat remembers the historic bankruptcy filings by Chrysler on April 30, 2009 and General Motors on June 1, 2009. Which is pretty weird, because they were among the largest bankruptcies in history.”
  
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- HumbleMan
  Posted on October 18, 2012 at 12:20pm
  @VERCEOFREASON
  
  “It was not a lie.
  And the moderator called Romney out on this.
  She got applause.
  You must have fallen asleep.”
  
  1) it is a lie, read the transcript. In no way is the Benghazi incident referenced as an act of terror. Yes those words are in the speech, but in no way specific.
  2) It is not the moderator’s role to “call out” anything
  3) Applause is specifically forbidden during a debate (The president’s wife doesn’t listen to rules)
  4) You are obviosuly still asleep or perhaps on another planet.
  
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kryptonite
Posted on October 16, 2012 at 11:31pm
Hey AP why did you conveniently leave out Obama’s lie in re Libya — his worst, most blatant lie, which shows his foreign policy is a big FAIL? Don’t you care that four Americans were murdered? That al-Qaeda is alive and well? That our sensitive info was stolen? You and all the other state media can F off. Stop pretending you are fair so we keep reading your articles. The Blaze should stop circulating your BS.

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- circleDwagons
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 11:46pm
  @kryptonite. AMEN
  
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- mercenary4freedom
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 11:51pm
  Oh Please AP, like your analysis is fir. We all know you are in the pockets of the dirtbag lib authoritarians.
  
  haha, AP what a joke!
  
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- raiderglenn
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 12:35am
  don’t you know A P stands for Assist Prez.
  
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- Miami
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 1:06am
  Ince again these fact checks have not roots in reality but opinion.
  
  AP has gone from a news source to an opinion source
  
  They should all be prosecuted….!!!!
  
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- Miami
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 1:13am
  I would like to see Romney point out the FACT that GM has been outsourcing jobs since the Obama takeover.
  
  Not to forget GM closed Pontiac, Saturn, Hummer and Oldsmobile. Oh and Saab, while I know they were built in Europe but many parts were made in the US. .
  
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- ViewPointtt
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 3:40am
  It is more than likely that obam’s handlers, Crowley included, gave their puppet all the questions and answers as soon as the questions were selected. It wasn’t enough to stack the decks of all 3 debates with 3 liberal moderators that were, incidentally, personal friends of obam and Biden. The only way obam won the 08 election was by playing dirty. The odds are significantly steeper this time… because in 08, obam’s big problem was a nearly non existent, tissue-thin resume… this time it’s a resume that includes the deliberate destruction of the business sector, economy, and middle class. This is not a resume that even the greatest of liars can successfully defend… it’s sure to be the dirtiest election ever to be witnessed.
  
  “Make the lie big… make it simple… keep saying it and eventually they will believe it.”
  Adolf Hitler
  
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- jmgair
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 3:55am
  They left out the part where Obama lied about Planned Parenthood providing mamagrams too.
  
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- realindependent
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 3:58am
  Ap finally gets it right. Romney lie’s all day long and twice on Sundays. He has flip-flopped on every issue. And America smells the bullS**t he is trying to sell. More tax cuts for the corporations and more tax cuts for the wealthy. If tax cuts for the rich works to create jobs, we had them for 8 years under Bush and what did we have. 8 million lost jobs and the near collapse of the worlds economy.
- Tuhme21
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 4:40am
  Or his lie about SB 1070. I have liked the last couple of AP fact checks better than I normally like AP in general but they are starting to leave things out.
- loriann12
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 6:34am
  @ViewPointtt I agree. The only way the President can make a point and not show his Marxist views is with a teleprompter or someone telling him what to say. If they say this, then you say THIS. I’ll bet that’s why his college records are sealed: Theatre classes.
  
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- bobdiamond
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 6:53am
  You can’t expect the Administration Press to reveal all Obama’s lies. Read political commentary at: http://smallcraftadvisorychronicles.blogspot.com/
  
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- BreeZee
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 8:04am
  Fact check is from a left wing newspaper.
  
  http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/16/audience-questions-2-to-1-anti-Romney
  
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- 4kidsandacat
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 8:09am
  Viewpointt, you are exactly right. That quote from Hitler is all I have been thinking about the past few days. And now Crowley is coming out and saying actually Romney was right on the Rose Garden speech on Libya. Too little too late Candy, your damaging self-insertion is a fait-accompli. She IMHO has made herself the worst of the three moderators for this reason.
  
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- cdennis
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 8:29am
  Right????
  
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- Nepenthe
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 8:46am
  Wow, if the Lybia incident really gets you going, you must have really hated former president Bush.
  
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- NORTHBRO
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 8:58am
  “THE FACTS: Presidents have almost no effect on energy prices.” Thats BS. As the dollar devalues, its takes more of our hard earned money to buy fuel.
  
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- omni3460
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 9:04am
  Obama and Biden are both immature…and Obama has an Agenda that if the American people could be a fly on the wall would make them sick.
  
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- SavvyCowboy
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 10:49am
  @KRYPTONITE – What do you expect from the communist press? They’re in the tank for moron obungler.
  
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- Maji
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:54am
  Politics
  AP Fact Check: Who Was Distorting the Facts on What?
  
  It was the Associated Press!
  
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- Find_the_Truth
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 12:14pm
  You people have decided to use the death of four Americans as a POLITICAL ISSUE…it is a disgrace!!!
  
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- citizens circle
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 12:42pm
  Ditto
  
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- swamp_donkey
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 12:57pm
  money boo boo got his azz kickeddddddddd lolllllllll , amazing what happens when you call a liar a liar , 4 more years for obamaaaaaaaaaaaaa
- BCanook
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 1:48pm
  Two things AP. The auto bail out/partial bankruptcy did nothing about union pensions and union costs, which is a large factor in them bleeding money. Secondly, when the price of gas was up during the 2008 President Bush opened up more federal areas for drilling and exploration. The price of gas dropped significantly in the next three months. Don’t try to tell me President Obama and his administration can’t do anything when it comes to gas prices.
  
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- Teaparty_Grammy
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 3:48pm
  Yeah, I was wondering about that, too. That was the most blatant lie of the evening, and yet it is not even mentioned. More biased BS from the Mainstream Media ODUMBER worshipers.
  
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- Teaparty_Grammy
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 3:54pm
  @ Miami, who posted: “I would like to see Romney point out the FACT that GM has been outsourcing jobs since the Obama takeover. ”
  
  GM, Chrysler AND Ford were “outsourcing jobs” a long time before that. All three of them have been doing virtually all their manufacturing in either Canada or Mexico for YEARS. Which is why it makes me laugh when people holler “buy American”–meaning these three companies. The truth is, Honda and Toyota BOTH have more manufacturing facilities in the US than the Big Three companies.
  
  But it IS true that a lot of companies that supply parts, tires, etc. to the Big Three are located here–and what hurts the Big Three hurts them, and thus costs US jobs. The “new ” Globalism makes it VERY hard to know how to best benefit the country by supporting which companies. Suppliers of parts, raw materials, etc. and the manufacturers are so intertwined and located in so many different places that it is very hard to “buy American” and know that you are truly helping save American jobs, and not jobs in Canada, Mexico, or elsewhere.
  
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- HUGHS500
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 3:58pm
  Her is a truthful fact check http://blog.heritage.org/2012/10/17/morning-bell-heritage-experts-analyze-second-presidential-debate/
  
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- pcj
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 4:19pm
  So far in two debates, there have been two biased moderators. Candy Crowley’s performance was terrible, Mitt Romney showed his grit by hanging in there, standing up for himself and getting points across. What really told the truth was the group of independents who went 70% for Mitt after the debate. Most of those who voted for Obama in 2008 are going to Romney. When asked for words to describe Romney, most said “presidential”.
  
  An article in another newsletter yesterday morning said that the media had already decided that Obama would be the winner, all he had to do was show up and make a few points. If he hadn’t had Candy propping him up and helping him, he would fallen apart. Conservatives’ and Republicans biggest challenge isn’t Obama, it’s the biased mainstream media.
  
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- NOAH ARK
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 4:22pm
  Kryptonite, I agree. Obama’s Libya coverup attempt by using the “video” blame is a two-fold screwup!
  First, we now know that our Foreign service people were watching the event realtime and have it videoed (watch for the video to disappear). There was not active “Video” protest going on at the time the attack took place! Yet, Obama and his flunkies saw fit to conveniently pin the blame on the “Video” in order to divert attention to the administrations own failures.
  
  Secondly, while they broadcasted, promoted and featured the “Video” scapegoat agenda throughout the Arab world, they incited and fueled the riots in the other Arab countries to further give credence to their scheme. We are talking some evil SOBs here!!! This could have easily cost more American lives during these riots, probably led to the murder of the American Embassy Security Official in Yemen and will have lasting future reprecussions on our next President’s Foreign Policy capabilities!
  
  I also noticed that Obama, during the debate and specifically on the question posed to him by the attendee asking Obama who was responsible for denying the additional security requested by both the onsite security advisor and the Ambassador himself! How convenient to ignore the FACT that Obama never answered the question!
  
  This is far greater that the Nixon Watergate Scandal and Obama, Biden should be impeached and held in direlection of their duties to the Country and the American People!
  
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- imsteph
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 4:26pm
  and why oh why did GM need a safety net?
  how many dealerships were shut down?
  how many crappy cars are they making now?
  how many jobs have been shipped overseas?
  how many plants are they (and have they) moved to China?
  
  and Detroit is like a demilitarized zone….
  yeah-that was money well spent.
  
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BODYBAG
Posted on October 16, 2012 at 11:30pm
From the minute minute I thought what Romney should have done was
confront Barry eye to eye and say:
“Mr President, you are responding here to every question with very eloquently
stated plans you say you have ——– the biggest difference between us that
everyone here needs to understand is that YOU’VE ALREADY been Pres for 4 years.
Where have you been???? Asleep?????”

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- kryptonite
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 11:46pm
  He did. IMO, immigration reform was one of the issues where Romney drove that point across more powerfully. “Answer the Q, Mr P, you had two years with a majority in Congress. Why didn’t you do anything? He challenged Zero several times, but of course the wuss never did answer the Q.
  
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- Samologist
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 2:50pm
  Totally and why can’t BO look Mitt in the eye. I mean, BO would glance at Mitt but never hold a look while Mitt was almost burning a hole through him. Even during the hand shake at the end. BO gave Mitt a brief glance and then look down at his shoe, or a dime on the carpet or something shiny.
  
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Totally Domestic
Posted on October 16, 2012 at 11:29pm
B O’s most brazen lie was : I called the Benghazi attack a terrorist attack from the first day.

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- Totally Domestic
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 11:37pm
  Candy’s most Brazen Lie: Yes he did. (call it a terrorist attack)
  She about leaped off her stool to say this.
  
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- Ms.Independence
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 12:04am
  And totally beyond her role as moderator, but who ever thought she wouldn’t be biased to begin with?
  
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- noslave
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 12:05am
  was that john candy??i liked him in planes,trains,and automobiles, but thought he died??
  
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- Anonymous T. Irrelevant
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 12:18am
  She was about the same size as John Candy, but John was a little slimmer.
  
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- I Luv America
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 12:23am
  Technically it wasn’t a lie but it was a stretch. He did talk about a terrorist attack in the rose garden the day after 9/11/2012. However, he was referring to 9/11/2001, not 9/11/2012. I’m sure the liberal media will leave this important point out, though.
  
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- Totally Domestic
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 9:23am
  How do you spell S-E-T U-P.
  Say that again Candy……………
  
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- Really2012
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:13am
  He said “act of terror”. That doesn’t necessary mean it is a “terrorist attack”. Further the real issue that gets lost is “What motivated the “act of terror”??? Was it the video?? OR Was it a 9/11 tribute??
  
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- pcj
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 4:22pm
  Can someone get a transcript of the Rose Garden speech and post it here to show the real context of Obama’s terrorist comment? Thanks! (If you can’t find one, maybe you could borrow the copy that Candy Crowley conveniently had at the debate? LOL)
  
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nwaiting2
Posted on October 16, 2012 at 11:29pm
I believe there is a “real” demonstrable equation that can predict real tax revenues and or both job and revenue creation with income tax reductions. I guess the conservatives don’t want to get “Tecno-wanky” and explain this. Too complex? The real question is your plan working yet? The answer can only be,”,NO”. Ask what happen to socialist Europe ? Do we want that here ? Ask the poor ethnic or female unemployed ” Is it working yet for them? Ok since the answers are negative ;the results are negative Drop Obama and stop class retoric and America Get to work. Get to work with Mitt.

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- BeHeardAmerica
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 11:33pm
  Romney contrast with Obama will open up Job Market.
  
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- circleDwagons
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 11:55pm
  bothe of these candidates play to class warfare. We are All Americans and under the tax law We should be equall regardless how much we work or earn. Why should a person who earns 300k pay a higher rate then someone who earns 100k?
  
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- VRW Conspirator
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:47am
  @Circled
  EXACTLY!!!
  We have “progressive income tax” system…because it was created by PROGRESSIVES!! the American version of the Fabian Socialists!! SOCIALISTS!!! They are academic, political, and business ELITISTS!! that view the only path to utopia through their STATIST world view and think anything that restricts their ability to DICTATE policy to the uneducated slobs they think the rest of us are, as being in the way; like the Constitution, Declaration, faith and belief in Judeo-Christian values, the idea of a nuclear family made up of mom, dad, and children, personal responsiblity and independence of thought, actions, and word.
  This is 1984..George Orwell warned us about this…it isn’t about R or D…it is about P/S(Progressive/Statism) or C/D (Constitution/Declaration). Kipling warned us about this…there are undying TRUTHS in the world that we must always return to if we are to survive…
  
  and before any RP people jump up and down…it isn’t about RP either…he is part of the problem just like the rest of the bunch that has been in control since the mid 1960′s in both parties…with the exception of Kennedy and Reagan (both of whom cut taxes, understood about business and job creation, and understood about Peace through Strength (even if Kennedy found out on the job))..we have not had a true leader on all fronts -domestic and foreign- in 50 years
  
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Mr.Fitnah
Posted on October 16, 2012 at 11:27pm
Fact checking or spinning?

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- CatB
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 11:33pm
  Here is the truth regarding the Rose Garden Speech and the word terrorism.
  
  http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/10/14/The-Big-Lie-Obama-Did-Not-Call-Libya-Attacks-Terrorism-on-September-12
  
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- CatB
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 1:03am
  What is it with you lefties .. if the MSM would print the TRUTH I would link them .. you don’t dispute my facts only the source … how about this source .. the official WHITE HOUSE STATEMENT FROM THE SAME DAY ….
  
  The White House
  
  Office of the Press Secretary
  
  For Immediate Release September 12, 2012
  
  Statement by the President on the Attack in Benghazi
  I strongly condemn the outrageous attack on our diplomatic facility in Benghazi, which took the lives of four Americans, including Ambassador Chris Stevens. Right now, the American people have the families of those we lost in our thoughts and prayers. They exemplified America’s commitment to freedom, justice, and partnership with nations and people around the globe, and stand in stark contrast to those who callously took their lives.
  
  I have directed my Administration to provide all necessary resources to support the security of our personnel in Libya, and to increase security at our diplomatic posts around the globe. While the United States rejects efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others, we must all unequivocally oppose the kind of senseless violence that took the lives of these public servants.
  
  On a personal note, Chris was a courageous and exemplary representative of the United States. Throughout the Libyan revolution, he selflessly served our country and the Libyan people at our mission in Benghazi. As Ambassador in Tripoli, he has supported Libya’s transition to democracy.
  
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- CatB
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 1:04am
  His legacy will endure wherever human beings reach for liberty and justice. I am profoundly grateful for his service to my Administration, and deeply saddened by this loss.
  
  The brave Americans we lost represent the extraordinary service and sacrifices that our civilians make every day around the globe. As we stand united with their families, let us now redouble our own efforts to carry their work forward.
  
  http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/09…
  
  No terrorism nor terrorists mentioned.
  
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- CatB
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 1:07am
  and CATPBJ
  
  The name calling from the left is really getting old … and reflects on you more than me. I have noticed the left loves the talking points and name calling and bloviating .. but is short on anything else.
  
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- pudssweetie
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 1:30am
  @ CATPBJ Here are some articles for you to view.
  
  http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2012/09/30/no-obama-didnt-call-benghazi-act-of-terror-in-speech/
  
  This from the Washington Time
  http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/conscience-conservative/2012/oct/16/candy-crowley-lies-during-debate-obama-never-said-/
  
  Here is another
  http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/10/17/debate-moderator-crowley-admits-romney-right-on-obamas-false-reference-to-benghazi-terrorism/
  
  As you can see CATPBJ, in all 3 Obama said Terrorist once and it was after talking about 9/11/2001 and only said it as a generality, not towards Benghazi.
  
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- shvlruss
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 2:56pm
  someone needs to Fact Check the AP Fact Checkers!!!!!!
  
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inblack
Posted on October 16, 2012 at 11:26pm
“THE FACTS: Presidents have almost no effect on energy prices; most are set on financial exchanges around the world. ”

BULLCARP! Of course the president has an impact on oil prices. When he creates chaos in the middle east, looks weak internationally, blocks a major pipeline and blocks drilling he ABSOLUTELY impacts oil prices. When he verbally attacks oil companies and throws regulations intended to block coal production the price of oil will rise.

Obama says use of foreign oil is down! Yes, the whole country is down, the economy is crawling and people can’t afford oil. Companies are using less energy and shutting down or cutting work forces.
So we are using less oil because we are grinding to a stop.

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- nowonuno
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 1:42am
  Well said. Don’t forget about rising prices from devaluation of the dollar. Bernanke fired up the Obama printing press. What could go wrong?!? Of course, it is all Bush’s fault. Just trying to out Lib the Libs with the overarching talking point.
  
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Truth1776
Posted on October 16, 2012 at 11:25pm
Perhaps the saddest thing I took from the debate is that the Liar in Chief appears to actually believe the lies he spews.

Question: Does PresBO have a personal barber that shaves him each day? I really don’t see how anyone who lies as easily and repeatedly as he does, and believes his own lies, can ever look himself in the mirror and not cringe and/or break the mirror at looking at his own pathetic reflection.

Romney/Ryan 2012

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- kryptonite
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 11:39pm
  He is perfectly aware he is lying. He has no remorse. It’s not the same thing. It’s a little bit like the difference between being insane and being legally insane. Obum a pathological liar, but he knows when he is lying. That fake rage he showed when Romney suggested he or his gang was misleading the American people is a typical response when sociopaths get caught in a consequential lie.
  
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stoptyranny
Posted on October 16, 2012 at 11:23pm
Fact Check? What part of “his proposed path probably would have forced General Motors and Chrysler out of business” is a fact? Sounds like a guess, and a poor one at that. What was done with GM and Chrysler was illegal.

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- inblack
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 11:29pm
  AMEN!
  
  Hard to fact check the AP since they are posting opinion not fact.
  
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- Stoic one
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 11:39pm
  My 401k took a $2000 hit with the announcement & follow through of the bailouts … I guess I was one of the greedy investors the “o” mentioned then…
  
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- merlin0152
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 12:28am
  I caught that too – “probably”…..nice, real professional. Whose advise are you going to take on the probable outcome of a business decision, a wildly successful businessman, or writers.
  
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- Centurian
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 1:14am
  You are correct.
  
  I learned a long, long time ago that no one can do this, because there is no such thing as a crystal ball. I live in the realm of certainty, not conjecture.
  
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- abseas
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 10:35am
  STOIC ONE — Darn right it was illegal. I lost over $20,000 on that totally corrupt transaction by the Obummer administration. It was just an ownership transfer from the investors to the union thugs. I’ll never recover from this illegal manuver by this corrupt administration. I don’t believe a single thing that comes out of the mouth of Obamma!
  
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willyman57
Posted on October 16, 2012 at 11:22pm
Who’s is checking on AP for their credibility? They are nothing but a mouth peice for Obama! So nothing their write is worth reading! Who the heck trusts anything AP says?

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- inblack
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 11:32pm
  YES!
  
  I’m getting tired of hearing Fox radio repeat AP headlines as if they were objective.
  
  Every report on the economy or jobs starts with some moronic optimistic tidbit to temper the disastrous truth. I’m tired of hearing the false media (even occasionally the blaze) repeat AP propaganda.
  
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- Anonymous T. Irrelevant
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 12:08am
  Agreed. Isn’t there any other NEUTRA fact-checking organization we can replace the AP with?
  
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sndrman
Posted on October 16, 2012 at 11:20pm
ap fact check LOL

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kryptonite
Posted on October 16, 2012 at 11:19pm
FACT: The CNN blob let Obama have the last word on each question the last half of the debate. That key bias also happened with the other blob last week. The minutes spoken are not as important as who has the last word regarding a given Q.

FACT: The CNN blob and Hussein ganged up on Romney on the Libya Q. Hussein kept crying out for the female to help him out against Romney. Effin SISSY.

The RNC had better demand that: 1) The debater who answers first has to cede the last comment on that Q to the other debater. 2) Moderators cannot take sides with either debater. The CNN blob should never get to moderate a debate again — EVER.

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sndrman
Posted on October 16, 2012 at 11:18pm
pic check
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Cascadia
Posted on October 16, 2012 at 11:18pm
Check PP website: they DO NOT perform mammograms. PP “connects” women to professionals who provide this & other services.

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- honor007
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 8:46am
  I had no idea Planned Parenthood didn’t give mammograms until a friend posting a link last night??
  the only thing they do is teach self examination.
  
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independentvoteril
Posted on October 16, 2012 at 11:15pm
OK I have to ask IF in FACT natural gas prices have FALLEN during Obama’s term.. WHY is my gas company RAISING prices since now CARS and some TRUCKS run on natural gas???

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- Oldtimer2
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 11:49pm
  All our energy bills have “necessairly skyrocketed”., just like he planned. Pull your power bills from the end of 08 and compare them to now. Gasoline 1.86 gal when he took office, 4 bucks now. and don’t even get me started on how much more the grocery bill is. Obama is an ass and he doesn’t give a hoot about regular Americans.
  
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NSDQ
Posted on October 16, 2012 at 11:15pm
The Differences Between Chapter 11 and Chapter 13 … You Should Familarize yourselves with Blaze lest you make half baked asssertions…..WTH

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Metallicat
Posted on October 16, 2012 at 11:15pm
I dont agree with the AP that Obamas policies dont effect gas prices or the amount of people on food stamps.

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rtlane28
Posted on October 16, 2012 at 11:15pm
My favorite part of the debate was when Obama said “when I WAS president” .

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- Anonymous T. Irrelevant
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 12:17am
  And he said Romney didn’t act like a Commander-in-Chief should, after the Libyan Ambassador was killed. Uhhhh, maybe because Romney was never the Commander-in-Chief?
  
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VTPatriot44
Posted on October 16, 2012 at 11:15pm
Wow. The AP is officially on record for saying Obama is not responsible for the the deficits. Nope. No media bias there. Unbelievable!!!!!

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TROLLMONGER
Posted on October 16, 2012 at 11:10pm
Romney lied. People died
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- Anonymous T. Irrelevant
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 12:24am
  Who died, TROLL? No Ambassadors or Navy Seals, nor Marines. Quit trying tpo incite a reaction, crap bag.
  
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- Copper Catfish
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 10:37am
  No, 0bama lied, people died.
  
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- LarryofArabia
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 10:53am
  Hey meatball… who’s in charge of America’s foreign policy?
  
  A) the Obama Administration
  
  B) the Obama reelection campaign
  
  C) None of the Above
  
  Just sayin…
  
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Jeetman
Posted on October 16, 2012 at 11:10pm
I don’t trust the AP just like I don’t trust ABC, CBS, ABC, CNN or NBC.

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- CatB
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 11:20pm
  Yes .. their “fact check” on the other debates was WRONG. Why waste our time …
  
  Luntz focus group says Romney WON! These are real people.
  
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- CATPBJ
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 12:20am
  Real people? Yes. But also real people hand chosen to help spread the fox conservative propaganda BS. President Obama won this debate hands down, no question about it. Romney and his pathetic lying campaign might as well call it quits now. Game Over! You Lose Romney ! Romney, take your lying wife with you and go to one of your many mansions and finish building your car elevator because your campaign is OVER…. Na Na Na na, hey hey, Goodbye!!!!!!!!!!!!
  
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- pudssweetie
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 1:56am
  @CATPBJ, what a sorry and pathetic human being you are. What is laughable about you is how you can’t distinguish the difference between the truth and a lie. You are so brainwashed by what CNN, MSNBC and every other Liberal site you choose to get your information from that you can no longer see that they are only feeding you what they want for you to believe. I guess you don’t care about the USA, The Constitution, Freedom or our rights, because if you did, you wouldn’t be voting for someone who is destroying all those things. One thing to remember, Obama is not looking out for you and you will suffer the same consequence of another 4 years under Obama as the rest of us will, only difference, most of us will be prepared for it, you won’t. Go ahead and vote for Obama, but don’t come crying when you own little world comes crashing down around you.
  
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soybomb315_II
Posted on October 16, 2012 at 11:10pm
Romney is in trouble with his tax math. The numbers clearly dont add up because Romney is not talking about how he assumes the economy will grow by X%. I guess he doesnt mention it in the debates because he thinks it wont go over well

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- VTPatriot44
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 11:24pm
  Yeah, that’s not true. I’ve read a half dozen articles this week including one on Yahoo Finance (not exactly a conservative news source) and it all depends on the assumptions you make. It is very possible and is very similar to the Simpson-Bowles plan at least in concept. Sorry, but the President is picking and choosing his results to best suit his argument as is to be expected, but just flat out lies about it being the final conclusion of the study. One of profs who published the report has even said so!!!!!
  
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- Verceofreason
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 12:09am
  Ryan’s “budget” assumes an unemployment rate of 3% and other fantasy scenarios.
  
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- The_Cabrito_Goat
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 12:02pm
  Our unemployment was once 2% in the roaring 20s. It can be again.
  
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IntheDirt
Posted on October 16, 2012 at 11:10pm
Why does the AP think I care if GM and Chrysler are shut down sold off in pieces. Still better than communism. Still better than mafia style government, paying off unions for favors and using tax dollars for non essential reasons. The FACT is Romney was right on principle. NO BAILOUTS EVER.

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- birdsjd
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 5:40pm
  Agree.
  
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americansfightingforcommonsense
Posted on October 16, 2012 at 11:08pm
I don’t know about you, but I am totally worn out after all that. Who was saying what and what was true and what was false. I have not yelled at my TV that much in a long long time.

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- watchingandwaiting
  Posted on October 16, 2012 at 11:27pm
  Yeah, I usually only yell that much during football games!
  
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Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on October 16, 2012 at 11:01pm
Obama, too many to count.

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