DENVER (TheBlaze/AP) — It’s not all hippies backing November’s marijuana legalization votes in Colorado, Oregon and Washington.
Appealing to Western individualism and a mistrust of federal government, activists have lined up some prominent conservatives, from one-time presidential hopefuls Tom Tancredo and Ron Paul to Republican-turned-Libertarian presidential candidate and former New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson.
“This is truly a nonpartisan issue,” said Mark Slaugh, a volunteer for the Colorado initiative who is based in Colorado Springs, which has more Republicans than anywhere else in the state.
“States’ rights! States’ rights!” Slaugh cried as he handed out flyers about the state’s pot measure outside a rally last month by Republican vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan. Quite a few passing Republicans took the flyer.
“It’s fiscally prudent. It would be taxed, regulated, monitored. It makes a lot of sense to Republicans,” he said.
Most Republicans still oppose legalization. Presidential candidate Mitt Romney vows to enforce federal law. When Ryan told a Colorado Springs TV station in September that medical marijuana was “up to Coloradans to decide,” his campaign quickly backtracked and said he agreed with Romney.
When activists make their appeal, it goes like this: States should dictate drug law. Decades of federal prohibition have failed where personal responsibility and old-fashioned parenting will succeed. Politicians back East have no business dictating what the states do.

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“What is the law against marijuana if it isn’t the Nanny State telling you what you can do and what you can’t do to your body and with your body?” asked Tancredo, a former Republican congressman from suburban Denver who briefly ran for president in 2008 and endorsed the measure on the steps of the state capitol. He compared federal law to New York City’s ban on sugary sodas.
Tancredo launched a radio ad this week in which he compares marijuana prohibition to alcohol prohibition as a “failed government program” that, in this case, “steers Colorado money to criminals in Mexico.”
“Proponents of big government have duped us into supporting a similar prohibition of marijuana — even though it can be used safely and responsibly by adults,” Tancredo said.
Pot supporters have lined up other surprising allies this year, even as many Democrats oppose the measures. Conservative stalwart Pat Robertson, for example, said marijuana should be legal.
In Washington state, Republican U.S. Senate hopeful Michael Baumgartner is running a longshot bid to unseat Democratic U.S. Sen. Maria Cantwell, who opposes it.
“It’s taking a different approach to a very expensive drug war, and potentially a better approach,” he said.
In Oregon, at least one Republican state Senate candidate backs legalization. Cliff Hutchison reasoned that legalizing pot would “cut wasteful government spending on corrections and reduce drug gang violence.”
Johnson, the Libertarian candidate, is fiscally conservative but supports such liberal causes as legalizing marijuana, immigration reform and abortion rights. He’s said that if elected he would pardon all non-violent prisoners convicted of marijuana-related offenses in federal court.

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Pro-pot conservatives have counterparts on the other side – Democrats who say pot shouldn’t be legal without a doctor’s recommendation. Democratic governors in Colorado and Washington oppose legalization. Oregon’s Democratic governor has not taken a stand.
President Barack Obama’s administration has shut down medical marijuana dispensaries in California and Colorado.
Republican Colorado state Sen. Steve King is a frequent critic of Colorado’s medical marijuana law. Conservatives abhor government, but they also fear legalization would increase children’s drug use, he said. “It’s pretty easy to come in and say, `Let’s decrease government.’ And I’m all for that. This just isn’t the place to start,” King said.
“We have a next generation to protect,” he said.
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Comments (253)
Skee
Oct. 16, 2012 at 9:53amLegalizing pot so it can be taxed is the wrong argument put out by libertarians and conservatives.
Making the case that pot should be legal so the govt. can bleed more from the free market, doesn’t
mesh well with the two political philosophes. The argument should focus on does man have free will
or not. A person should be able to eat, drink or smoke whatever they desire. I believe that’s covered
by life, liberty and pursuit of happiess. Remember George Washington and other founding fathers would’ve criminals under the unconstitutonal prohibition law in the early 1900′s, for operating their own
distillaries.
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treuerwolf
Oct. 16, 2012 at 10:12amDon’t forget that Washington and Jefferson both grew hemp as crops. They communicated to each other about this subject. Both would have been in violation of current law; no matter what purpose the hemp was to be used.
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SquidVetOhio
Oct. 16, 2012 at 10:14amWashington and Jefferson also owned slaves. Next argument?
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galicant wiseword
Oct. 16, 2012 at 10:25amSquid,
Slavery takes away the rights of someone else. Smoking a joint in your house does not. I’m sorry you had a bad childhood.
I’ve come to realize something reading the comments here. There are libertarians here like myself who are educated and intelligent enough to proceed through life making our own decisions and harming no one, and there are republican children who must have been exposed to incredible amounts of marijuana as young children. Their I.Q. is so stunted that they beg, plead and fight for a nanny government to hold their hands. What they don’t realize is that their hands are no longer held, but tied.
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ShyLow
Oct. 16, 2012 at 10:50amWhatever you do,DO NOT legalize eating road kill
Church ladies will be scraping dead possums off the road instead of going to church on Sundays
Here is what happened to Portugal after legalizing all drugs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBDeaXd9rdQ&feature=related Those that are evil let them remain evil still
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2cowsmooing
Oct. 16, 2012 at 11:06amSkee, you are so correct. The people who want less taxes and more freedoms must be consistent with that philosophy. If the (NORML) people and the (NRA) people ever joined their lobbies together based on securing freedom of choice, they would be unstoppable. It would be a very entertaining marriage for sure.
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MarsBarsTru7
Oct. 16, 2012 at 11:22amOh man, this is such a great idea! I don’t know how Conservatives have been missing the boat on this for so many years. I mean, just look at the type of people involved in the drug culture. They’re the best people this country has. There are no psychological problems, there is no theft, physical abuse, sexual assault, human trafficking, murder… None of that goes on with people involved in the drug trade. Heck, this should be in every Sunday pamphlet in every church in the country.
Hey, and while you’re at it, since you all seem to have the corner on the market in facts about marijuana, maybe you guys should take over all the college campus forensic classes around the country while you’re at it. Because while you’re here letting everyone know the health benefits, those pesky scientists are teaching about and “discovering” (pssh, yeah right) negative health effects of marijuana.
In fact, I nominate you all for a Nobel Peace Prize. No, really! Don’t fake humility. We have a bunch of geniuses here making the case for legalized marijuana. You can all have the same prize Obama and Gore won… and the EU just awarded itself. Yeah, it can be yours too, straight out of a ******* Jack box. Mmmm… ******* Jack. Doesn’t that sound like the perfect medicine for your munchies?
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SCREW-WINDOWS
Oct. 16, 2012 at 11:41am@ treuerwolf
I wouldn’t have a problem with growing hemp but as the current laws we have it is what idiot’s do with it just as the fact idiot’s misuse many products which effect us all and we must now show ID before purchasing a legal product.
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black9897
Oct. 16, 2012 at 11:43amShould have never happened in the 30′s. The Federal Gov. actually has zero right to enforce drug laws. there is also no logical argument to say it should stay illegal.
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PA2AK
Oct. 16, 2012 at 11:48amSkee – Great point. That is the crux of the whole thing.
The tax revenue is the smallest benefit to the country (even though it would be an enormous surge in government revenues…err…takings). There are a ton of arguments for the medical & personal side of legalization, but less frequent arguments are made for the industry that could see a total resurgence. Yes…resurgence.
The cash crop that can be had of growing hemp (the kind of marijuana plant you don’t want to smoke…unless you enjoy blinding headaches) could be a huge boom to our economy. Not only can it grow in almost any environment in the U.S., but the volumes of usages for hemp in all facets of life are amazing. Not to mention the superior quality & need for less chemicals than any of its competitors. We are robbing this country of a serious cash crop & resultant high quality material goods (pun intended…but again…don’t smoke the cash crop hemp variety…zero fun.) Remember, this used to be a booming industry in the U.S.
As for the recreational and medical usage….there really is no valid argument for it being illegal.
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PA2AK
Oct. 16, 2012 at 11:53amMARSBARSTRU7 – you literally didn’t even make any sort of intelligent or well thought stance on the issue. Make fun and insult. That’s a great tactic…problem is most people on this site are used to dealing with that juvenile attempt at a conversation…you won’t get much traction here.
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justangry
Oct. 16, 2012 at 11:53amSkee, I’ve never argued for taxing it. I’ve always argued there is no constitutional authority for the federal government to make and enforce drug laws.
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Pontiaku
Oct. 16, 2012 at 11:57am@treuerwolf
[Don’t forget that Washington and Jefferson both grew hemp as crops.]
Hemp isn’t marijuana.
Skee
[Legalizing pot so it can be taxed is the wrong argument put out by libertarians and (liberals)]
Even if, how would you collect taxes on a weed? It can grow anywhere. Simply don’t mow the lawn while you waste away.
[A person should be able to eat, drink or smoke whatever they desire.]
No, because if you destroy your liver, lungs, mind, or body you become dependent on someone else. Either someone else has to care for you or we implement eugenics.
[I believe that’s covered by life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.]
Oh yes, opiate the masses. Problem is you throw away your life, you become dependent on someone else so there goes liberty, and now you’re a messed up shell of human but hey, at least YOU’RE happy. As happy as a drug can make you…
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BSdetector
Oct. 16, 2012 at 12:44pmYou should be allowed to put whatever you want in your body.
Just don’t make ME pay your housing, food bills, or medical when you lose your job, OD, and/or die.
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black9897
Oct. 16, 2012 at 1:05pm@MARS
You’re bringing up two different things. Drug use and drug trade/black market.
Most have been lead to believe that drug use causes violence, murder, stealing, etc. While some drugs can cause some people to become violent, etc, most don’t actually; pot out of all of them is the LEAST harmful.
However, what really causes all the violence and murder is the black market. Free market and the black market are very similar, in that both allow free trading, buying, selling. The big difference is that in the black market if you are wronged you can only use violence. That’s why making most products such as drugs, alcohol, etc illegal actually CAUSES the problems, which is why it doesn’t work and the answer should (most of the time) be to not make things illegal.
Replace drugs with Ipods. Let’s say all IPODS were illegal…what would happen? The exact same thing with drugs, you would have violence, murder, stealing due to the effect of the black market.
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Individualism
Oct. 16, 2012 at 1:13pmYour average voter isn’t very bright so legalizing marijuana would be ok if we had knowledge tests to keep them from voting than smart folks could climb the ladder even easier. therefore i am in favor of it. The war on drugs costs a fortune and the damage done to the wrong homes is terrible not just property damage but death by swat shootings.
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Pontiaku
Oct. 16, 2012 at 1:30pm@Individualism
Mandatory drug testing for voters near election time, constant drug screening for welfare recipients, kick those that fail drug screens or have a DUI convictions out of voting for long periods of time, and implement strong voter ID laws. Until then we shouldn’t even be discussing legalization.
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Pontiaku
Oct. 16, 2012 at 1:33pm@black9897
Dealers don’t become model citizens because you take away their source of money.
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jwd66
Oct. 16, 2012 at 4:22pm@SquidVetOhio; with that argument let’s also throw out the constitution. next argument.
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AvengerK
Oct. 16, 2012 at 6:26pmit’s an unmitigated disaster in California. A slew of Medical Marijuana clinics sprung up, they handed out medical cards like candy. The stink of dope around any university area is staggering. I’ve seen at least three occasions where teenagers are using it on the street in broad daylight.
Oh but..”you can tax it” say the defenders. Really? Apparently these “honest” clinics have been withholding their takings from the IRS and not reporting them.
Seriously…what did you think was going to happen when an industry founded in criminal activity and who’s sole purpose is to alter the consciousness of it’s users was gonig to do? Go legit? LOL. It’s a farce in California. From the taxes to the users..stoners and idiots all. The voter has been duped.
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AvengerK
Oct. 16, 2012 at 6:31pmGALICANTWISEWORD..what about the neighbor of the house where the dope is smoked incessantly? Make no mistake this new stronger dopt has a smell that permeates the area and enters the home of people who don’t want to use it let along smell it constantly.
This isn’t your normal “Cheech and Chong” dope today..this is a lot stonger and closer to alcholol in potency. The smell is vulgar and very strong. What about these people..eff them huh? Move perhaps?
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AvengerK
Oct. 16, 2012 at 6:33pmPA2AK…please don’t perpetuate the tired “there’s no harm” from dope canard. That’s merely the line from the dope lobby.
A recent study from New Zealand suggested that prolonged use of dope from a young age PERMANENTLY affects the memory, attention and IQ of users. Just because it’s not heroin doesn’t mean it’s not harmful when used incessantly.
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black9897
Oct. 16, 2012 at 10:52pm@PONTIAKU
Never said they do. So?? If you’re a criminal then you’ll do bad things, you can only do so much. That doesn’t’ really have anything to do with what I said.
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M1A2_Tanker
Oct. 17, 2012 at 12:38amThank you Skee,
I’m glad I am not the only one who sees the Tax it argument as counter productive to Liberty, I’ve been saying the same thing on this site since they ran the first story on Pot and every time the responses are some NeoCon spewing their own brand of fascism while condemning the left’s brand and then informing me how all I want is to smoke pot (which is also news to me).
Legalizing Pot is not ever about the Pot to those of us with Brains! It is about Legalizing LIBERTY! NeoCons love to ban all the things they don’t like while railing against those who want to ban their likes and then treating True Liberty seekers worse than the True Freaking Enemies!
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Pontiaku
Oct. 17, 2012 at 11:14am[If you’re a criminal then you’ll do bad things,]
As I was pointing out, the violence and criminal element will still be there. Just dabbling in other things.
[That doesn’t’ really have anything to do with what I said.]
In a way, yes it does. You’re implying that it would cease to be.
[Most have been lead to believe that drug use causes violence, murder, stealing, etc.]
Drug users aren’t particularly smart to begin with. Whether or not it is the cause doesn’t change the fact that most drug users are inclined to do other criminal acts.
[some drugs can cause some people to become violent, etc, most don’t actually; pot out of all of them is the LEAST harmful.]
Least harmful? Then you admit it is inherently “harmful”. Especially with the increase in its potency. And all forms of smoking will introduce tar into your lungs.
[what really causes all the violence and murder is the black mar~.]
People don’t kill people for selling knockoff Gucci handbags.
[~such as drugs, alcohol, etc illegal actually CAUSES the problems]
Yes because legalizing alcohol made a world of difference… No wait… It’s still wrecking and taking lives.
[Let’s say all IPODS were illegal…what would happen? The exact same thing with drugs, you would have violence, murder, stealing due to the effect of the black market.]
No. Same thing with Gucci handbags. Also people do not become “chemically dependent” on iPads.
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black9897
Oct. 17, 2012 at 12:06pmHow would the violence be there when I just explained it wouldn’t?
That is not true. Please read “criminal behavior: a psychological approach” Bartol. the chapter on drugs. You will find most drugs actually DO NOT cause violent behavior in most people.
I used the word harmful very loosely.
You still don’t’ understand how the black market works. I’ve explained many times.
The violence comes from not being able to seek a legal remedy. Please look at when they tried to ban alcohol. You had the SAME thing happening then you do now with drugs.
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black9897
Oct. 18, 2012 at 1:14pm“Yes because legalizing alcohol made a world of difference… No wait… It’s still wrecking and taking lives.”
I missed this. Using Alcohol doesn’t take lives…ABUSING alcohol does that. Either way it’s going to be abused and we have problems. Yes we can have laws to limit the problems such as drinking and driving, being drunk in public, etc. It’s up to each person to drink responsibly The difference? having alcohol legal takes away the violence that the black market causes, thus one less problem. Having it illegal just adds more problems. It’s not about living in a perfect world, but limiting damage as best we can.
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wiredrawn
Oct. 16, 2012 at 9:50amI understand it’s less addictive, less harmful and less likely a person high will cause a devastating vehicle accident compared to being drunk, however it still alters your mental state and it’s much more likely to be used throughout the day when it’s effects wear off.
I highly doubt any criminal activity we stop by making this legal will diminish in any way, I mean if someone is engaged in criminal activity importing or selling this drug now what makes you think when we make it legal they’re going to decide to go back to school and get into a legal profession, it’s more likely they’ll find a more dangerous higher paying activity to engage in.
Values people, what happened to them?
Prostitution next? If our future is in such dire straights we need desperately this taxable income from selling drugs to our brothers and sisters then perhaps we are as lost as I thought; fix the economy, fix our government fix our way of thinking and a better future by default follows.
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Eastinfection
Oct. 16, 2012 at 9:57am“I highly doubt any criminal activity we stop by making this legal will diminish in any way…”
Really?… what happened to the bootlegging industry when prohibition was repealed?
Bought any “Moonshine” lately?
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SquidVetOhio
Oct. 16, 2012 at 10:18amPeople still make moonshine. How’s the death rate caused by alcohol since prohibition was lifted? How about the cases of cirrhosis of the liver? How about stomach cancer, birth defects, divorce rate, abortion rate, child abuse? Ever looks at the percentage of violent crimes committed while under the influence of alcohol? Not even adding narcotics to it? You should look it up.
Yea, legalizing alcohol solved all kinds of problems huh?
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galicant wiseword
Oct. 16, 2012 at 10:29amIronic that you would mention all those things squid. How many people overdosed on marijuana in the last 20 years? Compare the death rates and hospitalization numbers of aspirin and THC. Next I want you to do some research on violent crimes involving ONLY marijuana. Good luck
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Eastinfection
Oct. 16, 2012 at 10:33amOK Squid….
I’m starting to comprehend your intentions here….
You are anti- ALL mind-altering substances- legal & illegal. I disagree, in fact i believe exactly the opposite but, if you are really THAT consistent, i have no more arguments for you…. It becomes the same as fighting atheists.
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wiredrawn
Oct. 16, 2012 at 10:36amFinish reading what you quoted, sure bootlegging was no longer profitable but it’s more likely the criminals expanded their activities into something else, unless you want to vouch for them? By the way prohibition is a bad example as alcohol was legal beforehand and people had already made their careers in this industry which was ripped out from under them.
My point is when prohibition was in effect criminals quickly poured in, pardon the pun, to make money regardless of the safety of the alcohol, when it was repealed they just found another criminal activity to engage in.
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Eastinfection
Oct. 16, 2012 at 10:50amWIRE…
“The Marijuana Tax Act of 1937 made possession or transfer of cannabis illegal throughout the United States under federal law, excluding medical and industrial uses, in which an expensive excise tax was required.”
It was not made illegal for medicinal use until The Controlled Substance Act of 1970.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_history_of_cannabis_in_the_United_States
Plenty of legal industries had “the rug ripped out” from under them in both cases.
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Wool-Free Vision
Oct. 16, 2012 at 11:00am“prohibition is a bad example as alcohol was legal beforehand”
So was cannabis.
“it’s more likely they’ll find a more dangerous higher paying activity to engage in.”
So, bust them for THAT and punish them accordingly!
Wiredrawn, your entire argument here is, in effect, not really an argument. Read what you said and try to explain to me how that collection of nothingness is an argument for making criminals out of harmless American citizens who are guilty of nothing more sinister than growing a weed and consuming it themselves. They have harmed NO ONE, yet prohibitionists like yourself want to ruin their lives and make them live in cages with murderers and sociopaths. What could be more evil than that?
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wiredrawn
Oct. 16, 2012 at 11:38amPot never had an impact or investment in our industries like alcohol has, unless you can find a point in our history we had a pot ‘bar’ or ‘saloon’ in every city as well right before it was made illegal. Sure researchers have found some medical uses for cannabis, but guess what cocaine and heroine both exhibit medical uses as well, wanna legalize that too, throw it on the market as well because everyone is responsible enough to not take that $20 from the kid outside the shop for a hit.
This is not something in the long run that will make our country better or brighter, some people will abuse it, some people will use it as a scapegoat for accidents or actions and some people will be taking advantage of while under the influence, yes just like alcohol but alcohol is not something you fill up on throughout the day when it’s effects wear off, unless you like being sick a lot or don’t want a liver, it’s used in moderation because there is a hard limit on moderation not a soft limit.
As for the argument on the tax what do you think is going to happen when the government takes in this money? Our economy will be magically fixed, people high will magically begin international talks to solving world peace? I tend to think if the government as we have today sees this extra money they’ll find a new way to spend it, what we have now needs to be fixed first people.
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MarsBarsTru7
Oct. 16, 2012 at 11:44amThe same people that want marijuana legalized typically do want prostitution legalized. They’re also typically indifferent to abortion laws and typically buy into the whole “marriage should be available to everybody – and that means not just monogamous adult heterosexual couples!” dialogue.
It’s the secular “conservative” and/or libertarian crowd. They hate God, they hate the Bible, they hate religion, they hate the government, but man oh man do they love pot, prostitution, porn, and gay marriage.
*Zombies* – “Uhhhh, States Rights!… Uhhhh… States Rights!… Uhhhh, I don’t know the Constitution or understand what States Rights are about, but… Uhhhh… States Rights!”
Ironically, these same champions of “liberty” will be crying out for words like “potheads”, “druggies”, and “stoners” to be considered “hate speech” if they get their way.
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justangry
Oct. 16, 2012 at 11:59am@MarsBarsTru7, I don’t like any of those things you mentioned. I only think the federal government getting involved in any of that when it’s not expressly authorized by the Constitution is a clear violation of the 10th amendment. If you want them illegal obey the supreme law of the land and amend the Constitution to make it illegal. Your views are progressive and based on religious altruism. Faith rather than reason and all despots get their authority from some type of altruist philosophy.
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Wool-Free Vision
Oct. 16, 2012 at 12:24pm@Wiredrawn
“This is not something in the long run that will make our country better or brighter”
So, here we get to the actual core of your position: fascism. Nice – and antithetical to everything our precious Declaration of Independence and Constitution represent. You want to make criminals out of your fellow Americans, send them to prison to live with murderers and sociopaths, because they have done something that harms NO ONE, but MIGHT (in your opinion) be a slight detriment to the productivity of the national work farm. How very Stalinesque.
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Wool-Free Vision
Oct. 16, 2012 at 12:25pm@MarsBarsTru7
Your comment may be the most offensively ignorant thing I have read all day, and that’s quite a statement considering I read Michelle Obama’s BS earlier. What a bunch of ignorant, misinformed, untrue, and utterly offensive generalizations.
I am a Jesus-loving Christian. I am a staunch Conservative. I am pro-life. I am pro-Liberty. I am against militant LGBT activists hijacking the words “marriage” and “matrimony” because those words mean a promise between a man, a woman, and a God whose Holy Word proclaims homosexuality to be an abomination and a sin. I am also for decriminalizing marijuana. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it, you ridiculous, hateful jerk!
EVERYTHING you say in your comment is a LIE. I am proof of how full of it you are. You make me sick, because your intolerance and hateful lies are abhorrent to a Constitution-loving Christian like myself. The irony of someone who spews such untrue generalizations calling someone else a “zombie” is absolutely laughable.
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Eastinfection
Oct. 16, 2012 at 12:26pmWIRE… You keep making these arguments against pot’s usage… and that’s fine if you believe it.
The fact is… It’s not hard to find, and millions use it on a daily basis. It’s not going away. It’s a $25billion a year industry in the U.S. alone. This isn’t going to change. Ever.
Why are we wasting billions a year to fight social activity that has been a virtual constant whether or not it’s legal? Don’t like it? …Don’t use it. In the meantime you will keep paying for prosecution of it that is totally ineffective.
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wiredrawn
Oct. 16, 2012 at 3:43pmSee these types of attacks don’t help anyone, I’m not a fascist and dislike being called one. I don’t want to make criminals out of people but if they break the law they deserve no less, I don’t care who they live with in jail as long as they realize they broke the law, maybe if they live with murderers and sociopaths when they get out they won’t break the law again, kind of the point of jail no?
Saying “because they have done something that harms NO ONE” as many times as you want will not make it true. Speeding in your car doesn’t always harm someone but it has the potential too that’s why we make laws, to prevent what us common sense folk know what’s coming, an action or accident. I will say law enforcement has been light on pot smokers, in the cases where nobody did actually get hurt same as with speeding sometimes a warning or fine. If we actually enforced our laws to the fullest extent like we should we wouldn’t be wasting money on repeat criminals.
I don’t recall stating productivity or a decline in it at all, what I did say is unlike alcohol people can be using immediately after the effects wear off which increases the chances for negative actions or accidents, but since you brought it up sure it would be unprofessional for someone to be baked at work so I don’t see it raising productivity in anyway, unless of course you can provide the argument that employers will allow it during hours legal or otherwise?
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Wool-Free Vision
Oct. 16, 2012 at 4:34pm@wiredrawn
You said:
“See these types of attacks don’t help anyone, I’m not a fascist and dislike being called one.”
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I didn’t call you a fascist. I said the position you are currently advocating is fascism. Being offended by my pointing out that fact doesn’t make it untrue. But having said that, I should also add that someone who is not a fascist should be more ashamed that they are currently advocating for fascism than offended by the person who points it out.
You said:
“I don’t want to make criminals out of people but if they break the law they deserve no less.”
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We the people supposedly make the laws. And you are currently advocating for a law which does make criminals out of people who have harmed no one, and then using this arbitrary law as justification to call them criminals who deserve to be criminals because they are criminals. It is circular logic which goes nowhere.
You said:
“Saying “because they have done something that harms NO ONE” as many times as you want will not make it true.”
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Please, explain how anyone is harmed by my decision to smoke a joint in the privacy of my own home. You’re right that speeding will get you a ticket and a fine, because you could get someone killed. It is dangerous to other drivers and yourself. But smoking a joint can’t kill anyone and will get you booked, thrown in jail, and branded a criminal. Ridiculous!
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Wool-Free Vision
Oct. 16, 2012 at 4:34pmYou said:
“but since you brought it up sure it would be unprofessional for someone to be baked at work”
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Where the hell did I bring that up???? FYI, decriminalizing/legalizing marijuana does not mean letting employees smoke at work, during work, or any other time.
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resme
Oct. 16, 2012 at 5:24pm” I don’t want to make criminals out of people but if they break the law they deserve no less, I don’t care who they live with in jail as long as they realize they broke the law, maybe if they live with murderers and sociopaths when they get out they won’t break the law again, kind of the point of jail no? ”
Wow, I’ve dealt with your kind before. See your neighbor with Guns? Report them for 1K cash!!!!! Speeding in a 55mph zone, Get his License plate. See something? Report it! They are Alot of stupid laws. As of late swat team members have raided guitar shops ( For using legally imported wood ). Swat members raid houses for having a ounce of Pot. Watch this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV7u91A3KGQ, Wool,Just,soy,monk,east!
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Wool-Free Vision
Oct. 16, 2012 at 5:47pm@Resme
Watched. Liked. Linked. Thanks =)
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justangry
Oct. 16, 2012 at 6:02pm@wiredrawn, Why are you more concerned with pot smokers breaking the law than the politicians that broke the law when they made it illegal? I think you’re priorities are a little screwed.
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justangry
Oct. 16, 2012 at 6:11pm“The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.” Ayn Rand
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black9897
Oct. 16, 2012 at 11:18pmThere is a big change. The violence that comes along with it being illegal will not be there anymore. You do understand that the criminal activity comes from (mainly) people ripping off other people and those people using violence against them. If I know I can rip bob off because he won’t be able to take legal action (sue, call the cops) then I’ll probably do it. If I get ripped off and know I can go beat the brakes off of him for doing so, cuz he’s not going to call the police…then there goes the cycle of violence. So yes, legalizing it would make a huge positive impact.
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black9897
Oct. 16, 2012 at 11:31pm@MARS
Two consenting adults engaging in sexual relations for whatever reason, even if someone pays for it is none of your business. Prostitution is right there with drugs in that again, it’s underground and results in violence. You do understand there are legal prostitution right? No violence there, now is it? What about legal 420 stores? Where’s the violence? There is none. Government should not be involved in marriage, one day I hope it’s not. Since it is, you can’t legally exclude certain consenting adults. It’s just unfair. You and I would be hypercritical in our beliefs if we are for some freedoms yet against others.
That’s just speaking legally. As far as morally, yes, both being gay and prostitution is wrong and I do not love it..or like it. Telling others they shouldn’t do these things is the job of the church..and us. Not the legal system.
Btw..I do NOT hate God or the Bible. I just know who needs to be doing what job and to mind my own business. I’ve also never done pot or any drug in my life…I’ve never even smoked a cigarette.
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leuken
Oct. 16, 2012 at 9:34amLet us all step back into reality for a second and remember why we have federal marijuana prohibition. It never was about health and public saftey. That’s the big lie that was told to us and here it is 2012 and we’re still arguing that.
Hemp was poised to take over the timber industry so lobbyists petitioned the federal govt. and bought prohibition. In the mid 20th century the govt. put out vast amounts of lies and propaganda, enter, “Refer Madness.” To this day the idea that it is illegal because of public saftety is the lie that they want us to keep arguing. “Watch my right hand so you don’t know what my left is doing.”
To this day even industrial hemp is prohibited. Industrial hemp doesn’t flower, therefore no drug grows on it. Why? Why don’t we take advantage of a plant that would provide paper products, clothing, rope, biofuels, and many other things? It’s a weed that can grow almost anywhere. The reason why is not because it’s a drug, it’s because the government is making loads of money because marijuana is illegal.
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Detroit paperboy
Oct. 16, 2012 at 10:02amEveryone who wants to smoke pot, IS smoking pot…………it’s available everywhere, and many different varieties ,,,,,, so the prohibition has already failed…..I do not touch hard liquor at all, but after a hard days work I someties like to smoke a little herb……..my dentist smokes it, my lawyer smokes it and my good friend who is a retired DEA officer smokes it………and that’s the truth………its everywhere and always has been…..remember that little thing called freedom ???????????
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SquidVetOhio
Oct. 16, 2012 at 10:20am“……..my dentist smokes it, my lawyer smokes it and my good friend who is a retired DEA officer smokes it”
3 more reasons not live anywhere near Detroit.
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Wool-Free Vision
Oct. 16, 2012 at 10:24amAnyone who reads comments on this site should have no doubt that I am a staunch Conservative. I have been Conservative since I was old enough to understand politics and recognize leftist liars for what they are.
I am also an occasional (to frequent) pot smoker. I’m not going to go into a lengthy speech here, because many of my fellow Liberty-loving, big government-hating Americans have already made the case quite well below.
In lieu of my typical rant, I will merely quote some of the more salient points from this thread:
soybomb315_II
Do you think our drug war is fueled by logic? or is it fueled by special interests?
Marine308
it would free up resources to go after meth and heroine which are destroying our communities.
Silversmith
When will you learn that illegality of a plant is just another handle for government to control the populace.
rabblechat
George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln all smoked Cannabis, I don’t think anyone would consider them dullards.
Gonzo
I’m sick of the whole gateway drug argument. You can’t watch an NFL game without a beer commercial at every break…and Budweiser is the world’s greatest gateway drug. Let the states decide.
WireWizard
The only reason pot is a gateway drug is that the source is illegal drug dealers.
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Well said, gang. Thanks for making the case and standing up to ignorance and hypocrisy.
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Detroit paperboy
Oct. 16, 2012 at 10:48am@squidvet………………..the main reason to not live anywhere near Detroit, is fifty years of complete Democrat destruction of families, neighborhoods, schools, industry, and the entire city…….go see for yourself what the Democrats have done to my home town, if your brave enough. That is…………I dare you…”.
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SCREW-WINDOWS
Oct. 16, 2012 at 11:55amJust think of the potential and ingenuity that could be if pot smokers would just put down the pipe maybe pot is holding back the true potential of what we could be and stop being dregs of society.
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Eastinfection
Oct. 16, 2012 at 12:55pm@SCREW…
We agree on most issues, so please don’t take my rebuttal as disrespect.
“..Just think of the potential and ingenuity that could be if pot smokers would just put down the pipe.”
This is a very brief list of successful people who formerly or currently wield “the pipe”:
Sarah Palin, governor of Alaska, 2008 Republican nominee for vice president. British Home Secretary Jacqui Smith, Transport Secretary Ruth Kelly, and and Chancellor Alistair Darling. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich, and former New York Governor George Pataki. Billionaire and New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg.
http://www.theagitator.com/2008/11/07/successful-pot-smokers-lets-make-a-list/
These are just some of the politicians. There are countless others in all walks of life.
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SCREW-WINDOWS
Oct. 16, 2012 at 2:30pm@ Eastinfection
I repeat just think of the potential they could have if they put 110% behind their efforts.
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Wool-Free Vision
Oct. 16, 2012 at 2:40pmScrew-Windows, those are people who obviously already put 100% (there is no such thing as 110%) into what they do. Why can’t people understand that smoking pot doesn’t necessarily mean that someone is putting less effort into everything else? Just think of the potential these people would have if they ate more fiber! Or drank an extra cup of coffee! Seriously, that makes just as much sense as what you said.
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SCREW-WINDOWS
Oct. 16, 2012 at 4:07pm@ Wool-Free Vision
How do you know 110% doesn’t exist if you never strive for it ?
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EddieGin
Oct. 16, 2012 at 9:29amThere is ONE F’ing reason why “POT” is Illegal, BECAUSE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE MAKING THE MONEY PAYS MONEY TO OUR Poli”TIC”ians to keep it Illegal. Just like the Liquor in the 1920′s Organized crime GOT RICH. Ditto to Gambling and Prostitution. US Sheeple are MORONS for not having these VICES legal and F’ing TAX. ONE F’ing DAY we will wake up, NOT SURE WHEN.
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Yogurt
Oct. 16, 2012 at 9:20amLegalize it or make it available for all medical usage. Pot does not have a physical addiction like alcohol. I love how the government and people went after cigarette and big tobacco but they allow alcohol to do commercial, sell at a bunch of kids play, Bars employee people but drunks are a nuisance. You can drive on Pot and most pot heads do not want to leave where they are at until they effect wears off anyways. With the cost of gas doobie cruises are a day of the past.
Anyways, I have a case study disease and I can not take pills and pain patches do not work. If pot could help me out I am all for it. There is a bunch of uses for it and your little ol gardening grand parents can make extra money on the side by growing it and selling it to the dispensaries.
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soybomb315_II
Oct. 16, 2012 at 9:33amunlike alcohol, ive never heard of daddy using pot and then proceeding to yell and beat up mommy. I’ve also never heard of ‘mothers against high driving”
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SquidVetOhio
Oct. 16, 2012 at 9:48amI’ve heard of daddy’s spending all their money on it, leaving their kids without money for clothes, food and other necessity. In fact, I’ve lived it. So take your lame argument somewhere else. Give me a freaking break. To hear you guys, every pot smoker is an ivy-league educated, sainted marathon runner with a slight case of glaucoma. Yet, almost everyone I knew was burden on society.
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DonLukas
Oct. 16, 2012 at 9:53amDon’t fool yourself or others about pot not being addictive.
POT IS ADDICTIVE……Period.
This isn’t second hand information.
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justangry
Oct. 16, 2012 at 10:03amSquidVet, Let assume you’re right in your assessment of marijuana, what practical measures do we take to curb it’s usage? Please check the following graph and tell me that you don’t see the problem with our current policy.
http://reason.com/blog/2012/10/11/forty-years-of-drug-war-failure-in-a-sin
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Eastinfection
Oct. 16, 2012 at 10:08am@DONLU…
“POT IS ADDICTIVE……Period.”
“This isn’t second hand information.”
Really? Your scientific evidence is that YOU believe YOU are a recovering pot addict? I’ve known Heroin addicts, coke addicts, serious alcoholics, oxycontin addicts, Meth addicts, etc.
They are not even on the same planet as the worst of the marijuana abusers. People get “addicted’ to pot the same way they get “addicted” to porn, internet, X-box, etc… Calling these activities “addictions” devalues the word & makes dopes like you ignorant to what “addiction” really means.
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soybomb315_II
Oct. 16, 2012 at 10:13am@SquidVetOhio
You say you have a personal experience with the bad effects of marijuana. That is fine. But you must recognize the stats and the truth. Alcohol destroys a huge number of families, ruins people’s futures, and keeps many people in poverty. Most homeless people are addicted to alcohol, not marijuana.
You can be against marijuana for your personal reasons but your experience shouldn’t outweigh the mountain of evidence and facts (not to mention constitutionality). I have a grandpa that ruined my mom’s entire family and his daughters to this very day – but you don’t see me going around calling for the prohibition of alcohol. Our laws and policies should be determined by logic and guided by the Constitution – not the whims of the minority
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SquidVetOhio
Oct. 16, 2012 at 10:25am@JUSTANGRY
I never said I current policy is successful. Do I thing a pot seller should do 20 years while a child molester does 5? No, it’s moronic. Just because we don’t handle it effectively doesn’t mean we should legalize it.
If legalizing something causes crime to decrease then, why not legalize rape, murder, fraud, arson or anything else? The logic does not exist for it.
Case and point is alcohol. Did legalizing alcohol decrease or increase alcohol related death, crimes?
(I’m not suggesting re-instituting prohibition but, the point is valid)
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justangry
Oct. 16, 2012 at 10:47am@SquidVet,
“If legalizing something causes crime to decrease then, why not legalize rape, murder, fraud, arson or anything else? The logic does not exist for it.”
That’s because it’s illogical to compare rape, murder, fraud, arson, etc. to someone that chooses to ingest a substance.
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ChrisDiamond
Oct. 16, 2012 at 11:03am@SQUIDVET
“If legalizing something causes crime to decrease then, why not legalize rape, murder, fraud, arson or anything else? The logic does not exist for it.”
Pot crimes revolve around distribution, sale, purchase, possession and use, so yea, there would be a reduction in crime. There is no violence involved, and there is no criminal intent or victim for there to be any crime. The same cannot be said about rape, murder, fraud, arson or any other violent crime. Any argument about how a person behaves after using pot and how people in their lives are affected by this simply makes the point for personal responsibility. Responsible adults do not allow alcohol to control their lives or decision-making capability. Irresponsible adults should not be the foundation of a case to disallow others the liberty to make personal choices. By your logic, guns should be illegal because some people use firearms irresponsibly. Do you also favor making cars illegal because people die in auto accidents, or because there are DUIs?
“Case and point is alcohol. Did legalizing alcohol decrease or increase alcohol related death, crimes?”
This is a valid point, but crimes by intoxicated persons are already dealt with through law and the courts. If someone committed a real crime while high on pot, they would be held fully responsible under the law. This makes individuals accountable instead of reinforcing the nanny state. Find 1 death attributable to MJ overdose. Good luck.
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Wool-Free Vision
Oct. 16, 2012 at 1:33pmDonLukas
Posted on October 16, 2012 at 9:53am
Don’t fool yourself or others about pot not being addictive.
POT IS ADDICTIVE……Period.
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Your statement is only true if you are talking about psychological addiction. Marijuana is not physically addictive. This is scientific fact. It is also a fact based on personal experience.
Let’s start a list of all the things which are “addictive” by your loose definition of the word. To be fair, we will keep it only to things which are potentially detrimental to one’s health. I’ll start with just a few. Feel free to join in, Don, as this is your argument:
Coca-Cola
Cheeseburgers
Candy bars
Ice cream
Pork
Red meat
Driving automobiles
Playing sports
Using the internet (go to hell, spellchecker – I refuse to capitalize “internet” or “web”)
Recreational sex
Voicing an unpopular opinion
All of these things are “addictive” by your standard. All of them can be done to excess and therefore be detrimental. Would you want anyone jailed for doing any of the above? Of course not! Then why do you feel so strongly about someone else’s choice to smoke marijuana????? The answer, if you can come up with one, should be very revealing.
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riseandshine
Oct. 16, 2012 at 1:55pmThe Constitution is KEY…it isn’t just something we say that we need to follow. I wish I was better with words….it’s very clear to me. We can govern ourselves….IT WORKS.
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resme
Oct. 16, 2012 at 5:29pm“POT IS ADDICTIVE……Period.”
Never heard of anyone overdosing from “weed”, lol. People overdose on Legally Prescribed drugs all the time, Valium, Xanax, Oxy, even OTC drugs.
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EddieGin
Oct. 21, 2012 at 7:48amJust watch any sporting EVENT especially NASCAR, liquor ads every other minute, ads all over the cars. Tens of thousands a year are killed by drunk drivers, the amount of money lost at work over alcohol are off the chart. The prisons are filled with alcoholics. Is it just me? I’m not saying Marijuana isn’t a drug or a form of a drug, ALL I’m saying enough ALL READY. TAX the ***** and let’s move on. WTF
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SquidVetOhio
Oct. 16, 2012 at 9:03amEver notice how pot-heads are always self-described expert chemists and physicians? lol
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Hellion
Oct. 16, 2012 at 9:11amListen, that is not the point. WHY should it be considered any more toxic than cigarettes, alcohol, a big Mac twice a day, smog, various chemicals and other things we “legally” are allowed to put in our body?
Where is your DAMNING proof that it is worse than all these things? Why is it so important to demonize it for your opinion? Legal or not everyone who chooses to use it will and always has! Why do YOU get to decide how we unwind? Amazing, go slug down another 12 pack and start a bar brawl because someone looked at you wrong.
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Secret Squirrel
Oct. 16, 2012 at 9:12am.
Raising taxes is NEVER a good reason to legalize anything.
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lordjosh
Oct. 16, 2012 at 9:15amNot as bad as those who oppose it.
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soybomb315_II
Oct. 16, 2012 at 9:15amever notice how anyone who does not support an unconstitutional federal prohibition on drugs is called a “pot-head”?
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leuken
Oct. 16, 2012 at 9:16amDo you call everyone who has a beer or two per week an alcoholic?
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soybomb315_II
Oct. 16, 2012 at 9:34am@Leuken
“Do you call everyone who has a beer or two per week an alcoholic?”
Apparently a beer or two a week makes you an ‘alcohol head’
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SquidVetOhio
Oct. 16, 2012 at 9:44amYou guys can lose the alcohol argument because I don’t drink. You don’t justify bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior. Comparing pot to tobacco is beyond stupid (and I don’t use tobacco either). Yes, I have tried pot. I grew up around it. My parents used it, so I think I have the credentials to talk about it.
Would you want to fly on a plane being flown by or worked on by a pot smoker?
Would you want surgery performed on you by a pot smoker?
If pot is legalized, why not cocaine, heroin, or crystal meth?
Smoking anything is un-healthy. THC can be extracted and made into pill form so why the need to smoke it for “medicinal purposes”? And we can look at California for how that train wreck of law is working. Oh btw, how’s the economy in California were pot is basically legalized?
And whoever the constitutional “expert” is who claimed the ban is unconstitutional, I suggest you take a law class at your local community college and get educated on the law. If the federal government can ban plutonium, they can ban pot.
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booger71
Oct. 16, 2012 at 11:31amHow does anyone ingesting a substance into their body affect you Squid?
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SCREW-WINDOWS
Oct. 16, 2012 at 12:03pm@ booger71
They make bad decisions might I point to the White House.
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resme
Oct. 16, 2012 at 5:18pm“And whoever the constitutional “expert” is who claimed the ban is unconstitutional, I suggest you take a law class at your local community college and get educated on the law. If the federal government can ban plutonium, they can ban pot.”
One question, Why was there a constitutional amendment to prohibit Alcohol? Why did they go through all the trouble? Since the Federal Government can ban anything, Hopefully Internet Access soon( Too much can be bad, you know. ). They need to ban Fast food and Cheetos. Cheetos are very addictive I need at least 20 a day or I become very paranoid.
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Edohiguma
Oct. 16, 2012 at 8:52amThis Tancredo fellow might want to get some actual information about physiology and how chemicals work in the body. The sugary soda ban in NY is classic NY stupidity, based on no medical facts, but rather the nanny state and Bloomberg being his retarded self.
However, the comparison with sugary sodas is one of the dumbest things I’ve heard this month. Pot is not nearly as harmless as all the pro-pot nutters say. Longterm use can seriously mess up your brain chemistry. Use, not abuse. Alcohol abuse can have similar serious effects, however you need to down a lot of alcohol to have such longterm effects. Pot on the other hand, doesn’t require such a high dosage over the same amount of time.
And by the way, where are all the “passive smoking kills!” idiots in this? Oh wait, I forgot that those who scream “passive smoking kills!”, while having zero scientific evidence for it (all passive smoking deaths are statistical deaths, calculated based on risk factors, there are no bodies, no autopsies, no medical histories, no evidence for it to be true), are usually supporting the legalization of pot. So my Cuban cigars kill bystanders, but crappy pot in low quality tobacco is fine? Up yours pot-heads. I have yet to see a properly reasonable argument for legalizing this crap. It’s usually all whine.
Yeah, I’ve tried pot when I was young. Everybody does. It’s probably the biggest waste of time and money I’ve ever participated in.
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Hellion
Oct. 16, 2012 at 9:01amYou tried it when you were young…now you are an authority? Just my point about my post below.
Yes, I am soooo screwed up now I don’t know what to do? My wife and I are so stupid now from the horrible long term dumbing effects. Please…how foolish of you. READ my post below.
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stage9
Oct. 16, 2012 at 9:02amAlright, let’s cut through the NONSENSE of “I believe it’s no worse than anything else” argument…
THC acts upon specific sites in the brain, called cannabinoid receptors, kicking off a series of cellular reactions that ultimately lead to the “high” that users experience when they smoke marijuana. Some brain areas have many cannabinoid receptors; others have few or none. The highest density of cannabinoid receptors are found in parts of the brain that influence pleasure, memory, thinking, concentrating, sensory and time perception, and coordinated movement.1
Not surprisingly, marijuana intoxication can cause distorted perceptions, impaired coordination, difficulty with thinking and problem solving, and problems with learning and memory. Research has shown that, in chronic users, marijuana’s adverse impact on learning and memory can last for days or weeks after the acute effects of the drug wear off.2 As a result, someone who smokes marijuana every day may be functioning at a suboptimal intellectual level all of the time.
Long-term marijuana abuse can lead to addiction; that is, compulsive drug seeking and abuse despite the known harmful effects upon functioning in the context of family, school, work, and recreational activities. Estimates from research suggest that about 9 percent of users become addicted to marijuana; this number increases among those who start young (to about 17 percent) and among daily users (25-50 percent).
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lordjosh
Oct. 16, 2012 at 9:11amI don’t care what you think of the effects of pot or sugury drinks. And the hell with states rights. I have no desire to watch the feds decriminalize it just to have the states rob us blind. I like the Declaration of Independence! I am a sovereign. You, as an individual human, or as a collective(government) have no authority to tell me what I can or cannot do. Live Free.
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DimmuBorgir
Oct. 16, 2012 at 9:22am@EDO
Wow man, you can really tell you have no idea what you are talking about.
I’m a libertarian/conservative who smokes weed. I don’t drink all that much so basically a bowl or bong at the end of the day is my gentleman’s cocktail.
I wake up on time to get ready for work. Go to my IT job for a pretty nice company. Come home and spend time with my family. And after the kid is in bed, my wife and I smoke a little weed and relax for the night.
To me it doesn’t sound like any crime was committed. And yet EDO thinks I’m somehow destroying my life or the lives of those around me. (I’ve never mixed weed and tobacco either, shows what Edo knows)
Oh yeah, I’m also a Marine Corps veteran, OIF 2&3
Smoked while I was enlisted as well.
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Dajainc
Oct. 16, 2012 at 8:52amThe standard rebuttle for legalization has been, 1. it is illegal and 2. it will lead (gateway) to harder drugs. I do believe pot is a gateway drug. I also believe the primary gateway drugs are cigarettes and alcohol. So the question is to identify if pot is any MORE of a gateway than cigarettes and alcohol. If it is not, then legalize it. If it is then stay the course.
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Edohiguma
Oct. 16, 2012 at 8:59amThere is no evidence that alcohol and tobacco are gateway drugs for harder stuff. Pot, on the other hand, has massive evidence.
Plus lovely mental issues on longterm use. Longterm use, not longterm abuse like in the case of alcohol.
Want a psychosis in 20-odd years? Smoke a “proper” joint every day. Though I know cases that are on that stage after 10 years only. Drink a glass of wine every day and you won’t have any effects at all.
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Eastinfection
Oct. 16, 2012 at 9:12am@EDO.
Smoking a joint everyday is more comparable to drinking a bottle of wine everyday. Many regular pot users take a single bong-hit or a “oney” each evening… much like your safer, sophisticated wine drinkers.
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DimmuBorgir
Oct. 16, 2012 at 9:23amEDO i’m pushing 30, no psychosis in me.
You seriously have no Idea what you’re talking about
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Eastinfection
Oct. 16, 2012 at 9:31amAlso EDO…
“There is no evidence that alcohol and tobacco are gateway drugs for harder stuff.”
That’s BS, too. There are craploads of studies proving otherwise. you can start with this one:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/22/yale-study-alcohols-gateway-effect-much-larger-than-marijuanas/
“Ever notice how pot-heads are always self-described expert chemists and physicians? lol”
I’m laughing, alright… at your ignorance & hypocrisy.
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soybomb315_II
Oct. 16, 2012 at 9:31amIf pot is a “gateway drug”, what is the percentage of people using hard drugs in countries where pot is legal versus where pot is illegal?
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DimmuBorgir
Oct. 16, 2012 at 9:42amAnd gateway drug??
Really are you guys in grade school.
If Pot is a gateway drug. How come as a 29 year old I don’t do any drugs but smoke pot regularly??
And If there is such thing as a gateway drug… Do you think people who smoked weed started with weed? Or perhaps they started with a cigarette or maybe a beer? Did they start with that or did they maybe get to have a coke or some other soda when they were younger??
This gateway drug bullcrap is nothing more than looking to blame something or someone for not having self control.
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Eastinfection
Oct. 16, 2012 at 9:55amRight on DIMMU!…
I have tried lot’s of hard drugs. I was drunk every time.
I’d be willing to indulge the argument that pot is a gateway to LSD or mushrooms but even that’s no longer the case.
Raves, dance clubs, & house music are more of a gateway to psychedelics these days.
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Advection
Oct. 16, 2012 at 11:30pmThere is no physiological or psychological reason that marijuana use “leads to harder drugs”.
It’s axiomatically wrong because marijuana is a Class I Narcotic, which is the “hardest” class of drugs, and almost all of the drugs which are used as examples of harder drugs are “softer” Class II and Class III.
It’s absurd when you realize the THC, the active ingredient is actually a legal Class III prescription drug that’s used to stimulate appetite and suppress nausea. If it led people to craze hard drugs, it would OT be used so.
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SamIamTwo
Oct. 16, 2012 at 8:52amAnd Maryjane is used to cool out the masses during hard times. Just ask Malcolm X followers or read his book.
Our folks in WA state, both parties, of course support legalization. You can’t get elected in WA state by going against the will of the moooo.
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DimmuBorgir
Oct. 16, 2012 at 9:32amYou guys really have no Idea what you’re talking about.
I smoke weed.
I am a libertarian/conservative
I am a Marine Corps Vet
I smoked while I was in Iraq.
Wanna tell me again how weed is just to “calm” the masses?
Malcolm X can kiss my a$$
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Hellion
Oct. 16, 2012 at 8:38amFirst off, I am an independent and Romney supporter. I am no troll either. When I listen to all those who bash pot I find that they usually have no experience with it. All the gateway makes you dumb nonsense is pathetic. I have been smoking or eating pot my whole life. Less in my older age but still in the evening when I choose. I have a successful business, I am an avid reader, have a strongly scientific mind and am smarter and sharper than any of years past. It is the safest and most benign substance on the planet. Scientifically you can not say this about alcohol (which I do not consume). I will go toe to toe mentally with anyone on most subjects and shred their fantasy negative theories on marijuana. My wife also has always used pot and is an extremely successful and highly honored scholar and international marketing and ad executive. Sorry, alcohol causes damage, domestic violence and foolishness on a momentary basis. I also have a degenerative joint disorder and this helps distract my pain. Everyone who bashes pot because they smoked it once or NEVER have are fools.You have no idea what you are even speaking of.I can’t believe the propaganda of this plant still warps peoples minds till this day from the 1930s. Get over it, marijuana can help pain, it relaxes you, can instill passion in the mind, bring people together and spawn new ideas. Did I mention it can also make this nation prosperous? My household is living proof of its benality. We are smart, intelligent, carin
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Edohiguma
Oct. 16, 2012 at 8:56amYeah cause it made the Netherlands so prosperous, right? Oh wait, it didn’t.
Pot may have certain positive effects when used for certain medical treatments, however on the larger scale your argument is utterly laughable. Who has the infrastructure, resources and manpower to support a legal pot trade? Drug cartels. Who would flood the market if it was legalized in the US? The ones with existing infrastructure, resources and manpower. The biggest player in the legal pot trade would be drug cartels. Who else?
Btw… you’re killing people with your passive smoke, to use the usually retarded argument by anti-smoke activists who hate pips and cigars, but who strangely often love pot (which is usually consumed in really low quality tobacco.)
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Eastinfection
Oct. 16, 2012 at 9:07am@EDO…
“…pot (which is usually consumed in really low quality tobacco.)”
This sentence reveals your ignorance. I have smoked pot with hundreds of different people throughout my life. I have only seen it mixed with tobacco in Northern Europe, where it is difficult to find (other than Holland).
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soybomb315_II
Oct. 16, 2012 at 9:16amif someone does no harm to anyone else, i fail to see why the federal government should be involved
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justangry
Oct. 16, 2012 at 9:19amI’m on your side on the issue, mostly because I do think it is the most harmless drug. I also recognize the benefits of it being used to treat neurological pain, PTSD and other health issues. I think it’s only beneficial short-term and chronic use causes a motivational syndrome, and short-term memory loss, but those sides effects are really nothing compared to those of the crap the pharmaceutical companies are pushing. I also know people that are successful productive members of society that use it recreationally. Most people just seem to grow up and stop using it. That being said, to say it’s TOTALLY harmless to everyone that uses it is as much of a fallacy as saying it’s a gateway drug that will lead to heroin use.
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ChrisDiamond
Oct. 16, 2012 at 10:35amI have never inhaled or otherwise ingested cannabis or any of it’s derivatives, but I wholly and completely support it’s legalization. When I was a kid, my parents smoked weed and it pissed me off… I had been successfully indoctrinated by the public education system to believe that Pot was an evil that must be eradicated. After growing up and doing some research, I learned that the primary reason cannabis and hemp were made illegal was because of the direct threat they posed to so many corporate-master entities like textiles, alcohol, tobacco, big oil, big ag and big pharma. This is a primary example of how government, under their duty to protect and serve their corporate masters, will use the force of law, and the media to propagandize the masses to believe their actions are for our protection instead of protecting the interests of the industries who’ve bought them out.
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BrandiRae
Oct. 16, 2012 at 1:19pm@edoh
In the US, it is mostly smoked “pure” (European term), unlike in Europe where it is smoked with tobacco……how do I know? I’ve been to Europe and smoked it with them (tobacco). And I hated it. I smoked it “pure” after trying a spliff once, in Germany. So much for your knowledge on the subject.
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BrandiRae
Oct. 16, 2012 at 1:33pm*correction, so I don’t confuse anyone*
I’ve been to Europe and smoked it with them (tobacco and marijuana)….
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Ilikepeople
Oct. 16, 2012 at 8:33amYeah but hey man, when I see people sitting around all content smoking it up I see potential workers getting over who could be working for me making me richer.
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Eastinfection
Oct. 16, 2012 at 8:45amI’d bet many of your employees occasionally (or regularly) smoke pot.
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Ilikepeople
Oct. 16, 2012 at 8:28amWere drugs illegal at the beginning of the world? Then there’s your answer, and while people end up smoking all the time being [have-nots], then those who are [haves] do not have to pay for your choice to hallucinate yourself all the time.
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Ilikepeople
Oct. 16, 2012 at 8:40am“Hey man you should have to pay for me.” Really? Are you good at using Algebra to solve real life issues? No? Go figure, because then you’d have to understand that people don’t have to pay for you which would be in direct opposition to the entitled mind.
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Edohiguma
Oct. 16, 2012 at 8:44amAmazing non-argument you have there. As for drugs being illegal at the beginning of the world? No they weren’t. But neither was murder or theft.
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galicant wiseword
Oct. 16, 2012 at 8:19amShould the government be able to tell you you can’t eat plums? What if you replaced the word “pot” with plum in the article and in the comments section? It would sound ridiculous. I don’t want the servants I elect to tell me what I can and can not grow in my back yard or what I may consume from my garden. As soybomb aptly stated, it’s not within the federal governments constitutional authority to do what they have been doing.
Some arguments against legalization have been: it will make us all stupid. The study, even if it was completely unbiased only MAY prove that teenagers who smoke lots of pot have an average of 8 point lower I.Q. than teenagers who spend more time at school thinking about science than how awesome Led Zeppelin sounds. If we raise the age of adulthood to 21 for everything, including camels and military service and add marijuana to that list then we’ve solved that problem. A strong workforce? I’ve known rich, poor, smart and ignorant, hardworking and laid back people that smoke pot. How about a government that isn’t allowed to interfere in your day to day life and isn’t encouraging the welfare mentality? Watch a workforce bloom when you don’t have to spend thousands of dollars and months with lawyers to start a business.
When everyone can grow it in their basement the cartels will move on to something else, which means one less resource for them. They couldn’t compete with the combined power of Phillip Morris and Walmart anywa
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Eastinfection
Oct. 16, 2012 at 8:29am“When everyone can grow it in their basement…..”
It will only work if it’s a taxed, commercial enterprise. People will not be able to grow it in their basement (anymore).
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Mr.Fitnah
Oct. 16, 2012 at 8:19amGot to love those Nannystate cons .
Legalize it” unintended consequence” ? Drug cartels lose money Government get to tax something else.
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The Jewish Avenger
Oct. 16, 2012 at 8:50amGovernment then gets the right to take everything if they find that you are growing enough to deal and you didnt pay taxes.
Remember, the IRS will take EVERYTHING and you cant get rid of the debt. Keep it illegal, at least you have a fighting chance in court. Legal and tax evasion? You’re done. Lwt’a not forget how much legal pot will cost if it is taxed. After all, it is for the majority, recreational and no benefits for the common man, only the sick or ailing.
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Eastinfection
Oct. 16, 2012 at 8:58am@JEWAVENGER..
So… we should make caffeine, nicotine, and alcohol illegal so it will become cheaper?
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soybomb315_II
Oct. 16, 2012 at 9:22amif only there was a marijuana mafia like there was for alcohol, the prohibition on weed would have ended by now. Unfortunately, there are too many special interests who make money on the drug war through govt contracts, weapons/equipment manufacturing, and corruption.
Think about all the companies that make pain killers that would lose money if marijuana were legal….Do you think our drug war is fueled by logic? or is it fueled by special interests?
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Marine308
Oct. 16, 2012 at 8:19amBeing in law enforcement and watching DA’s and liberal judges slap the hands of users and dealers for pot, has made me feel they should just legalize it. Law enforcement could then concentrate on hard core drugs that truly destroy the users and their families. From what I have seen personally its about the same as alcohol. Though I personally don’t agree with its use, it would free up resources to go after meth and heroine which are destroying our communities.
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Pacman116
Oct. 16, 2012 at 8:07amPaulbots out in force I see.
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soybomb315_II
Oct. 16, 2012 at 8:15ambetter check under your bed too
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Magyar
Oct. 16, 2012 at 8:01amLegalize weed and it’ll lead to unintended consequences! Big mistake!
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Eastinfection
Oct. 16, 2012 at 8:14amevery decision we make has unintended consequences. Care to be more specific?
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FMJGunny
Oct. 16, 2012 at 8:21amYeah, letting 2 million people in FEDERAL PRISON who’s only charge was POSSESSION will lead to all sorts of UNEMPLOYED FEDERAL PRISON GUARDS.
We can’t have that now, can we?
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Silversmith
Oct. 16, 2012 at 8:25amThose of you having a problem with this miss a big part of the benefits of legalization. It is a plant that could REPLACE hardwood for paper products. It can be used to make textiles. This plant grows like …. wait for it …..A WEED. It matures fully 3 times a year yielding sustainable levels of product for paper. And as a bonus, it’s great at happy hour if you are so inclined. God doesn’t screw up. This plant is here for our use in many ways. When will you learn that illegality of a plant is just another handle for government to control the populace.
Silversmith
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Eastinfection
Oct. 16, 2012 at 8:31amSILVER…
also, Canada uses hemp-oil to run deisel farm equipment.
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soybomb315_II
Oct. 16, 2012 at 9:13ami’ve heard the hemp seeds are great for you and have no THC
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soybomb315_II
Oct. 16, 2012 at 7:55amDo you think Republicans will let individuals and the states take power away from Washington DC? Probably not
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johnjamison
Oct. 16, 2012 at 8:19amConservative are all about removing the centralized one size fits all Federal government and replacing it with state sovereignty. I know because I’m one and almost all my friends are as well.
Liberty,and soveriegnty are the same our Constitution is the ultimate giver of liberty when applied as it was intended. Unfortunately too many liberal/democratic/progressive/whatever they call themselves
have muddied the water to grow centralized system that is attempting to override the 10th amendment. The first step was changing the way in which senators are elected to turn senators from state reps. to political party reps.
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AnOregonian
Oct. 16, 2012 at 9:08amIt’s not a republican issue, it’s the Federal government regardless of party affiliation. I recently spoke with a DEA contractor; tasked with eliminating grows in southern Oregon and Northern California. Currently licensed “legal” grows are also being caught up in the net, their gardens eliminated and many are being charged with class B felonies for money laundering; as well as manufacturing of a controlled substance by virtue paperwork submitted to the state registering these locations.
Contracts have been issued for next years eradication measures. An even bigger push is coming to suppress these activities across the board., regardless of the legality of the actors. The past 4 years of cultivation for medical use have shown our local sheriffs are more than willing to usurp their duty to protect it’s citizens from federal over reach and hop on the band wagon to neuter “states rights’.
I am voting NO on Oregon’s ballot measure 80.
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nattybrooks
Oct. 16, 2012 at 7:46ami am at a loss to explain why we have not legalized its fine to be a functioning alcoholic, and all of the other aggression issue that come with alcohol. we know legalization would bring in billions in revenue hemp products are stronger and last longer cartels would go out of buisness doj would stop running guns and to call it a gateway drug is rediculous, what danger has pot ever posed?
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soybomb315_II
Oct. 16, 2012 at 7:57amWho am I?
“Marijuana is a gateway drug”
“Ron Paul is a nut”
“A vote for Gary Johnson is a vote for Obama”
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Eastinfection
Oct. 16, 2012 at 8:03amMorning SOY..
a. A typical ConProg Neo-Troll Blazer?
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soybomb315_II
Oct. 16, 2012 at 9:23amdang i forgot “aka encinom”
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Freth
Oct. 16, 2012 at 7:45amI’m opposed. Here’s why…
A recent study showed that marijuana has an adverse effect on IQ. How many of you have seen the IQ of Obama voters on display? How many Obama voters smoke marijuana?–A majority! Do you need any more evidence that people are dumbed down enough? The only positive I can see is that it may help the economy, but I don’t think we need a nation of potheads–and that’s exactly what will happen. You see already how much coffee and alcohol is consumed. Imagine if a whole generation starts smoking pot. In 20-30 years we’ll be a nation of dullards. Is that what you want? At least it’s being somewhat controlled as an illegal substance. Say no to pot legalization.
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Eastinfection
Oct. 16, 2012 at 8:13amA whole generation is already smoking pot. I graduated High School in 1991. I went through the public school yearbook (i went to Catholic prep school) from my hometown the day it came out- and out of a class of 300, there were less than 50 people in that class i had NOT witnessed smoking pot.
This was in Faifield County, CT.- the wealthiest county in the country. 72% of that class went on to a 4yr college…. 60% got a degree.
My Catholic school had about the same amount of pot users. 96% of my class went to a 4yr college… 84% got a degree.
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FMJGunny
Oct. 16, 2012 at 8:14amSpoken by someone who apparently CANNOT READ. Or has decided that all the LIES told about HEMP and Marijuana are true. TALK ABOUT A TRUE DULLARD!
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Read and learn, IF YOU CAN. READ JACK HERER’S BOOK FOR FREE.
What’s in a Name?
(U.S. Geography)
HEMPstead, Long Island; HEMPstead County, Arkansas; HEMPstead, Texas; HEMPhill, North Carolina, HEMPfield, Pennsylvania, among others, were named after cannabis growing regions, or after family names derived from hemp growing.
In 1619, America’s first marijuana law was enacted at Jamestown Colony, Virginia, “ordering” all farmers to “make tryal of “(grow) Indian hempseed. More mandatory (must-grow) hemp cultivation laws were enacted in Massachusetts in 1631, in Connecticut in 1632 and in the Chesapeake Colonies into the mid-1700s.
Even in England, the much-sought-after prize of full British citizenship was bestowed by a decree of the crown on foreigners who would grow cannabis, and fines were often levied against those who refused.
Cannabis hemp was legal tender (money) in most of the Americas from 1631 until the early 1800s. Why? To encourage American farmers to grow more.1
You could pay your taxes with cannabis hemp throughout America for over 200 years.2
You could even be jailed in America for not growing cannabis during several periods of shortage, e.g., in Virginia between 1763 and 1767.
http://www.jackherer.com/thebook/chapter-one/
READ, LEARN ABOUT ALL THE LIES TOLD
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rabblechat
Oct. 16, 2012 at 8:30amGeorge Washington, Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln all smoked Cannabis, I don’t think anyone would consider them dullards.
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Anthem2012
Oct. 16, 2012 at 8:43amYou if believe every study you read, I have some beach property in AZ for sale. Most “studies” against cannabis are usually done by some sort of govt entity. The paper, cigarettes, pharmaceutical, and for-profit prison industries are against cannabis because it would diminish or severely cut into their profits. There is a reason you have cannabinoid receptors in your brain. As far as the it will make you stupid argument. Yeah, not even slightly true. Your current and past two presidents have all smoked it and they did pretty good for themselves. Do some unbiased research and smoke one before they your “studies” on us.
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Fla.Patriot
Oct. 16, 2012 at 7:39amGonna have to agree with the prohibition argument on this. By criminalizing the use and sale of Marijuana, we have in fact, created a criminal empire. For all the money spent trying to enforce these laws…let’s face it, I has had little or no impact on usage. If it were legalized and regulated, it would actually generate revenue and cut down on SOME drug related crimes. Not all, but a good percentage. I am not condoning it’s use, however I don’t see that a recreational user is particularly a criminal. Marijuana is NOT a gateway drug, Alcohol is.
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soybomb315_II
Oct. 16, 2012 at 7:48amif nothing else, it should be clear to republicans and conservatives that there is nothing in the Constitution authorizing the federal government to ban drugs. Therefore, it should be left to the states to decide. If we as a country decide it should be illegal – then a constitutional amendment would be necessary (just like it was for alcohol)
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loneindividual
Oct. 16, 2012 at 7:33amI’m a nationalist libertarian….and I oppose it.
We need to have a strong workforce. If we legalize it, it will become cheaper to sell and therefore more accessible.
Capitalism + Drugs = lotz more drugs
Cuz if it’s cheaper to do it legally, they will do it. If it’s cheaper to do it illegally…they’ll do it.
All you’re doing is legitimizing the cartels….they won’t break up….and they will continue to have their gang culture as well as their affiliation with TERRORISTS.
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Eastinfection
Oct. 16, 2012 at 8:00amYou’re assumption that is will be cheaper is flawed.
Most “tokers” would happily pay more for a legal product.
If legal, the overhead for growers would skyrocket with permits, taxes, etc.
As far as the Cartels go, the only advantage they have on the market is volume and availability. only 40% of pot in the U.S. comes from Mexico…. and their product is garbage compared to the stuff grown by cultivators right here at home.
“Capitalism + Drugs = lotz more drugs”
You’re right about that. Just ask the pharmaceutical industry… oh BTW… THEY aren’t making their products available cheaply even though it’s legal.
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grimmster
Oct. 16, 2012 at 8:21am@East.
Your assumption that people will gladly pay more for pot , if its legal, is not just flawed, but totally flawed.No one i know of, wants higher priced pot, no one,and belive me, ive been around plenty of pot smokers,for far more years than you’ve been alive…….
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GrandpaOf4
Oct. 16, 2012 at 8:32amCapitalism + drugs = more drugs? Or maybe cheaper drugs?
Hasn’t worked out that way so far. In states where medical weed is legal the prices are actually higher than the street junk. Plus I think a few less people died in the process of getting it to market. In case you live in a bubble the availability of marijuana is incredible. Anyone even mildly curious can buy it with little risk. It would be difficult to make it less available than it already is.
The most immediate impact of legalization would be pulling the rug out from the enormous (and dangerous) import business the Mexican drug cartels enjoy. I’m sure they would simply switch to something else but weed does seem to be a major product for them. To assume making this a legal crop in the US, taxing and regulating it would increase the use of it is pure speculation. People who use any drug habitually are likely to suffer some ill effects. Casual occasional users not so much. Alcohol use fits into that pattern as well. Hey I’m not likely to be a user but I have no problem with making this legal. Seems like we are missing a significant revenue generating opportunity. Tax it, regulate it, impose age restrictions, and move on.
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Eastinfection
Oct. 16, 2012 at 8:35amReally GRIMM?…
Are you going to pay a scalper $25 for a ticket to a concert when you could pay $30 at the box office for a product you know is real, guaranteed, and not counterfeit?
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soybomb315_II
Oct. 16, 2012 at 9:00amwho cares what the price is. Even is the supply goes up and price goes down – i would rather have more people using pot than alcohol and pharmaceuticals
I thought the republican party supported the free market?
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SquidVetOhio
Oct. 16, 2012 at 9:00am“Most “tokers” would happily pay more for a legal product.”
Most people I know that smoke pot are lower middle class to poor. I grew up around it. Every rich successful person I know does not smoke pot. Everyone I know that smokes pot, are either on government assistance or make less than $30,000 a year.
So, I agree that pot-smokers will pay whatever price they need to get it. The problem is, how much food is taken out of the mouths of their children to get it.
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Eastinfection
Oct. 16, 2012 at 9:15am@SQUID…
B.S… the rich, successful tokers you know have some tact about their use and don’t reveal their private indulgences to biased associates. How many of your rich friends tell you about the amount of porn they view on the internet?
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BrandiRae
Oct. 16, 2012 at 1:14pm@squid
You are wrong, sir. Or your circle of wealthy people is super small, which is what I gather from your statement. This statement, along with the rest of your arguments on this issue, are invalid. They are based on your limited, biased life experience and opinion.
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raderby
Oct. 16, 2012 at 7:31amdoesn’t anyone see the mental vampire of intoxicants’ effects for what they are? They deplete a peoples’ urge to focus and accomplish – they erode society. Pot high is a visit to an unreal world – let’s try reality before we legalize mental impairment, whattaya say?
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Gonzo
Oct. 16, 2012 at 7:52amToo late, alcohol is widely available.
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Eastinfection
Oct. 16, 2012 at 8:26amTry this “reality”…
Americans spend $25 BILLION on pot each year. It’s not going away.
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Eastinfection
Oct. 16, 2012 at 8:27amhttp://sobering-thoughts.com/2010/11/29/just-the-stats-and-nothing-but-the-stats/
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IOWAGIR
Oct. 16, 2012 at 9:06amYou must not have ever smoked it. It doesn’t alter reality. You do not hallucinate. It is way less adicting than alcohol and cigs. I know someone that uses it to help with severe arthrits pain. He can walk like there is nothing wrong with him and go up and down steps with out pain or struggling with one foot after the other rather than taking one step at a time. I have witnessed that it works for those who are willing to try it. I can’t imagine how much it might help someone with cancer and other sever and cronic pain. That’s reality!
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Gonzo
Oct. 16, 2012 at 7:25amI’m sick of the whole gateway drug argument. You can’t watch an NFL game without a beer commercial at every break…and Budweiser is the world’s greatest gateway drug. Let the states decide.
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WireWizard
Oct. 16, 2012 at 7:33amThe only reason pot is a gateway drug is that the source is illegal drug dealers.
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bpodlesnik
Oct. 16, 2012 at 7:42amAgreed. I hope Romney will give that power to the states and at least try it, and see what the outcome is. My guess is that only a couple states would do it and that it will not be a gateway to other drugs.
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soybomb315_II
Oct. 16, 2012 at 7:59am@bpodlesnik
Did you read the article? Romney is dead-set against it. Romney slapped down the Ryan team for even hinting that the states should decide.
Romney is the exact same as George Bush on sooo many issues
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Gonzo
Oct. 16, 2012 at 8:08amSo is Obama Soy. What’s your point? R.P. ain’t running. This election isn’t about pot.
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soybomb315_II
Oct. 16, 2012 at 8:18am@Gonzo
“Whats my point”?
Did you read Bpodlsnik’s post? I think my point is pretty clear. Even though someone is voting for Romney, they are still allowed to use their brain and common sense
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Gonzo
Oct. 16, 2012 at 8:33amSoy, I don’t disagree with you that this election is about incremental change for the country, but it is incremental in the right direction.
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Edohiguma
Oct. 16, 2012 at 8:46amToo bad that beer doesn’t have the same effect on your brain chemistry as pot. Thus your argument is invalid.
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Gonzo
Oct. 16, 2012 at 8:54amCheck the statistics on aclohlism vs pot addiction. No two drugs effect the brain in an identical manner, that doesn’t make one better than the other. If your argument is about personal well being, then you need to argue to make alcohol illegal as well as pot. Both are harmful.
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Eastinfection
Oct. 16, 2012 at 9:02am@EDO…
Alcohol IS addictive, and withdrawal from it is real and physically dangerous.
THC is not addictive & their is no chemical withdrawal.
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thom1
Oct. 16, 2012 at 9:18amIf there were no drugs available at all. Illegal or legal people who are dependent on drugs would use alcohol the same way. I know people who smoke, I do not by the way I did in high school and in college and some after but my job requires drug testing so I quit. I know pot heads but I know a hell of a lot more alcoholics. Which is worse, alcohol hands down. Someone smoking a bowl to relieve stress is no more harmful than someone slamming down a couple of shots.
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Gary_K
Oct. 16, 2012 at 7:21amI am thinking there are other bigger issues that the states should be screeming “states rights” about than weed.
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grimmster
Oct. 16, 2012 at 8:18amGary_k, you are correct.This happens every election cycle, all the cheech and chong heads sober up just long enough to start their “legalize drugs” chant. Right now, there are far more important issues to deal with than the ron paul weed issue. Is it a state issue, yes, but right now i could give a rats ass about weed, and all the “heads” out there,including you enciloon, crying for its legalization…..
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soybomb315_II
Oct. 16, 2012 at 9:37amof course there are lots of state’s rights issues. But because this is a simple constitutional issue, it is a good place to start. Heaven knows the republicans haven’t done anything about other state’s rights issues – so lets get the ball rolling
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Eastinfection
Oct. 16, 2012 at 9:48amI agree with you SOY..
EVERY polarizing issue is worth discussing/ debating ethically and Constitutionally.
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