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Article Calling Mormon Faith a ‘Cult’ Was Scrubbed From Billy Graham’s Web Site Following His Meeting With Romney

Oct. 17, 2012 8:53am Billy Hallowell

Last week, Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney met with evangelist Billy Graham — a practice that is common for heads of state and presidential candidates, alike. Just days after the much-publicized meeting took place, The Billy Graham Evangelistic Association (BGEA), the Christian leader’s official organization, admitted scrubbing language from its web site that called the Mormon faith, among other religions, a “cult.”

Ken Barun, who serves as chief of staff for the BGEA, said that the decision was made to remove The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (LDS) to prevent the organization from entering into a politicized debate about the faith system. On the site, LDS was previously clumped together with Jehovah’s Witnesses, the Unification Church and Scientology.

US Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney (L) speaks with the Reverend Billy Graham (C) and his son Franklin (R) during a visit to the Graham’s Cabin in Montreat, North Carolina, on October 11, 2012. Credit: AFP/Getty Images

“Our primary focus at the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association has always been promoting the Gospel of Jesus Christ,” Barun told the Citizen-Times. “We removed the information from the website because we do not wish to participate in a theological debate about something that has become politicized during this campaign.”

The article was removed from the web site after the meeting between Romney and Graham took place. Before it was taken down, though, under a section called “What is a cult?,” Graham apparently gave his controversial answer — one that is likely to frustrate those individuals who fall within the stated faiths.

“A cult is any group which teaches doctrines or beliefs that deviate from the biblical message of the Christian faith,” the web site previously read. ”Some of these groups are Jehovah’s Witnesess, Mormons, the Unification Church, Unitarians, Spritualists, Scientologists, and others.”

Below, see a screen shot from an archived version of BillyGraham.org (note: not all of the images loaded in this rendering):

Billy Grahams Org Admits Cutting Article Calling Mormons a Cult

This action is particularly noteworthy, seeing as Franklin Graham, the famed evangelist’s son, came under fire earlier this year after refusing to say that President Barack Obama and Romney are Christians during an interview on MSNBC. In his exchange with commentators, he noted the theological differences that exist between LDS adherents and other Christian denominations.

Previously, he acknowledged the difficulty he contended Romney might have in courting evangelical voters.

“It’s going to be difficult for Romney as a Mormon with the evangelical community,” Graham also said earlier this year. “For most Christians, Mormonism is an issue and he has a hurdle here that he’s going to have to jump over and navigate around if he can.”

(H/T: Deseret News)

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Comments (166)

Eblaze44
Posted on October 17, 2012 at 6:06pm
Ah, Billy Graham – the American POPE. The great teacher of the Baptists. the one who went to meet the Catholic Pope. I cast no stones at Billy Graham – but to many Americans – he is almost the same to them as the prophet Mohammad to Islam.

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- db321
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 7:18pm
  EBLAZE44. You cast no stone at BG. I call BS. BG is the same to many Americans as Mohammed is to Islam. REALLY EBLAZE?
  
  How did you come up with your lying logic? Are you related to Obama or are you really Billy Hallaway of the Blaze?
  
  Billy Graham edified God. Mohammed edified himself as a Messiah. Billy Graham taught people that Jesus die for them in order to get into Heaven and Mohammed taught that in order to get into heaven you have to kill for Mohammed.
  
  You certainly enjoy your freedom of speech to blast a decent man of God and Christianity, but did you know that their are 57 Muslim Countries in the World and Freedom of Religion, Speech, and the Press don’t exist any of these Countries. Each of those Counties have one University only – You have one choice.
  
  With your help EBlaze America is going to be the 58 Muslim Country in the World. Sorry I wont be around, to watch all you Liberal Atheists walking around saying what happen to our freedoms and how come we have to except Sharia Law and become a Muslim. Enjoy, you bunch of blow hard’s.
  
  Billy Graham will walk into the Gates of Heaven and God will say to him “Well Done you Good and Faithful Servant.’ Not sure what God is going to say to you EBLAZE when your 85 or so years are up.
  
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- bintalshamsa
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 10:06pm
  @DB321 thanks for proving his point. SMH
  
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- Locked
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:11pm
  I have no issues casting stones. Billy Graham is in this business (and note: it is a business) for the money, not to save souls.
  
  It isn’t casting stones if you’re sitting nearby and watching every.
  Single.
  Stone.
  Hit him directly on the noggin!
  When you place your belief to a MORTAL “higher” authority (like Mr. Graham) instead of reading the Bible yourself and following Christ… well, that’s why we pray for sinners and non-believers.
  
  I have no issues with Mormons as people, or even with their morality. But I am here to save souls. I’ve spent the last month and a half rereading the Bible, and know what I never saw, even once? The Book of Mormon. I have plenty of issues with floppin’ Mitt Romney, but his religion is not one… when it comes to holding office. But as a theological guide? Graham bowed down to pressure to take out Mormonism as a non-Christian branch. It’s as “Christian” as Islam, in that they both add new prophets and “scripture.”
  
  I have no issue with Mormons as people! Or, honestly, Muslims as people!
  
  But when they insist their theology is “Christian,” my Lord gives me no option but to point out the hypocrisy. There is only one God who includes the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit), not some “heavenly father” who lets us become our own gods, owning our own planets like Jesus.
  
  Sorry if that offends you. Romney is a good candidate for moderates and non-Christians. He’s just not a good Christian.
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on October 18, 2012 at 11:11am
  I want all here to understand clearly that Mitt Romney supports a two state solution and if you vote for him as your leader then this means you knowingly put a man into office that wants to divide the land of God.
  
  You will be RESPONSIBLE for the land of God being divided
  
  Joel 3:2,,,
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on October 18, 2012 at 1:29pm
  CORRECTION
  
  Joel 3:1-2
  
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Elena2010
Posted on October 17, 2012 at 5:20pm
Technically speaking w/o contemporary connotations, any religion is a “cult” which is short for “cultus.”

Connotations about “cults” is that are far out deviations fm the normative belief and practice of its original roots. Most “cults” are also deemed inherently dangerous, like Jim Jones or that group that committed mass suicide when Hale-Bopp comet came by.

Obviously, Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses are not like those dangerous groups. However, they do make significant deviations fm Christian orthodoxy, putting them outside the Christian camp.

That said, it’s better to have a Mormon in the White House than the muslim we have there now. Mormons are well-known patriots, while muslims pledge their allegiance to Allah and pray toward Mecca.

Mormons will hot try to impose their belief system upon the nation, while muslims will.

We have endured many non-practicing “Christian” Presidents, we can weather a Mormon one. We might not be able to weather another 4 years of the muslim.

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- Platonician
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 8:11pm
  Technically speaking all religious groups other than the Catholic Church are heretical cults.
  
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- bintalshamsa
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 10:08pm
  Technically, the Roman Catholics are a deviation from the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church that is the Orthodox Church of Jesus Christ. :)
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on October 18, 2012 at 1:32pm
  No other religion has a book like the bible that is a full 1/3 prophetic that tells you what going to happen before it happens and it actually happens.
  
  The resurrection/rapture is almost here
  
  Do not vote for either and spread the gospel Romans 10:8-10 while there is still time
  
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- PutMoreOnMyPlate
  Posted on October 20, 2012 at 12:21pm
  Allo Plato
  
  Actually if you read your Bible, the Catholic Church in all of its glory is a pagan cult. But to each their own.
  
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thegreatcarnac
Posted on October 17, 2012 at 2:28pm
Two mormons and a jew walk into this bar…..oh…you heard it?******

Billy Graham was right. Now is not the time to go into a discourse about the validity of Mormonism.

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- Exrepublisheep
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 2:39pm
  So religious beliefs are at the whim of political winds?
  
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- theotherberean
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 2:49pm
  Why wait?
  
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- StanO360
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 4:43pm
  No Sheep, I wouldn’t have taken it down. But, it’s not the time. Neither candidate holds a Biblical/Historical Christian view. Clearly that is the case with Mormonism, and must be deduced by Obama’s choice of churches, and his universalist comments.
  
  So honestly, personal faith is not an issue in this race. Except that as Christians we can look at policy choices and ask how it effects faith, family, morals. Clearly on marriage, abortion, family, freedom, Romney is the choice.
  
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Rob676
Posted on October 17, 2012 at 2:07pm
I’m amazed as usual the lack of understanding of what a cult really is here. It seems far too many who are fervent in their own faith and unquestionable loyalty thereto have little or no remorse in labeling all other faiths they see as false or corrupt as a cult. Talk about ignorance! Talk about blindness! God has revealed His truth throughout the many generations of this world and man is quite capable of corrupting it and leading away others. No doubt. So man is always searching for the fulness of God’s truth. All faiths have varying degrees of His truth, just because they do not have the fulness does not immediately mean they are a cult, but are members who are faithful to what they know is true and are perhaps still searching. Those who believe that God is limited in His ability to send revelation from Heaven to guide His children or would at some point stop all together because He has nothing further to teach us, especially in these the most dangerous times in His worlds history is troubling. I am a Mormon and can confidently say that those who yell the loudest that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is a cult that I’ve talked with have gotten their information from anti-Mormon websites or from rumor and hearsay but have not actually taken the time to investigate the church for themselves, in effect, being led astray by the ignorance of others. I find that sad. My faith is strengthened by facing opposition not hiding in ignorance.

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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 2:34pm
  To all mormons, and all those that claim that mormonism is a part of Christianity. I warn you in all love that you have been deceived and I ask you to abandon your cults.
  
  I have shown clearly that mormonism is not Christianity and is not of the bible and my warning is clear also.
  
  Time is running out, The resurrection/rapture is about to take place and the resurrection/rapture will in an instant will show conclusively whom is a believer and whom is not.
  
  I pray that when the resurrection/rapture happens that there is a person like me whom under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit have prepared for that day living in your neighbor hood.
  
  You see, have prepared AFTER RAPTURE PACKETS filled with materiel for the left behind world. The bible is the only only book of God and is is a full 1/3 prophetic and through that prophecy I have prepared for the left behind world.
  
  Soon, the prophecies detailing the resurrection/rapture will be fulfilled and it is through this specific prophecy that many of you will become believers because you have been left behind and were told what was going to happen before it happened.
  
  I have made a video for youtube titled ‘Make your own AFTER RAPTURE PACKETS’ Watch it and then Google the articles contained in the video and print them out fior that day when millions vanish
  
  Link Below
  
  http://youtu.be/ahEVxIzlxwo
  
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- theotherberean
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 3:27pm
  Hey RAPTURE, I think what you’re doing is rather harmless, but have you thought about a girlfriend maybe?
  
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- Rob676
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 4:09pm
  @Rapture ~ No, you’ve not clearly shown Mormonism as a cult, you’ve only passed on the usual talking points and smears. If the Holy Bible is the only way to God, what about Adam, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Moses and all of their followers? They weren’t exactly carrying around a copy of the Holy Bible and neither were the Apostles when they went about preaching. You’re limiting God to a NT timeframe. It’s ridiculous to believe that the Bible is complete as all the prophets from Adam on down received revelation and recorded that revelation from God for the benefit of their posterity to help prevent apostasy. The Bible is a library of books selected by men and there are many which were not included. Moses is a prophet of Restoration, just look at Genesis! He did not have the record from Adam which taught about the begining or if he did, it was corrupted which is why he was commanded to write the book of Gensis for the benefit of mankind to know the beginning of our creation. If it were not so, Moses would have only written his dealings with God and the children of Israel. Adam was a christian. He knew about and believed in a redeeming Savior who would come as is all others who were taught this same truth. Jesus is the God of all the earth from the beginning of time to the end not just from the New Testament on. And it has been necessary for God to not revive but Restore His truth from time to time because of the wickedness of men who corrupt it leading many astray.
  
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- theotherberean
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 4:22pm
  Hey @ROB, I’m a Mormon and I believe in Sola Scriptura.
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 4:59pm
  ROB676
  
  You are utterly deluded and without honest study. Show me you BOM history from a historical and archeological point and prove it is real.
  
  AND
  
  Do not try and tell me a warn tingly feeling is proof, that is just idiotic.
  
  My bible I can prove without even breaking a sweat and for you to even criticize it in light of ZERO evidence for the BOM, Pearl of Grate Price, D&C is just laughable.
  
  As per the norm, actual real historicist study is never used by you people.
  
  SAD
  
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- Solaris142
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 5:32pm
  THERAPTURCOMES
  
  We could present physical evidence to prove the historical accuracy that the Book of Mormon is indeed the word of God, but if you do not have faith you will not believe. Of course there has been a lot of evidence found but no one believes them and mocks what has been found.
  
  I believe wicked men murdered the Apostles so they could remove truths from the Bible and gain more power over the followers. That way no one could confirm what is true and what isn’t and wicked men could do whatever they wanted and bring even greater darkness into the world. What greater way for Satan to try and destroy the work of God then have plain and precious removed from the Bible and leave the world in darkness and confusion. But what greater way for God to be ahead then have another record with the fullness of the Gospel prepared to restore light to the world.
  
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- Rob676
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 6:04pm
  @Rapture ~
  And there’s the second usual challenge, that of physical, historical or archeological evidences. (sigh) It’s basically the same as asking for a sign from God. Really? Where is your faith?
  
  And uh, I study the Bible all the time! In conjunction with the other scriptures we have available and I’m always increasingly enlightened by learning something new I didn’t realize before. That’s called spiritual growth which is then verified by that “tingly feeling” as you comically put it. Faith is a hope for things not seen which are true. You’re asking for physical “signs”? Hmm, how do dinosaurs and cavemen fit into your archeological evidences that the Holy Bible is true?? Or are you going to dismiss that? We don’t rely on signs or physical evidences as apparently you do to justify your faith. Men’s understanding of science is severely limited and usually flawed compared with what our Heavenly Father knows and understands; I’ll put my faith in Him and His word, thanks. But, if you must, here, try this:
  
  http://www.lostcivilizationdvd.com/
  
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- Rob676
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 6:07pm
  @Rapture~ And there’s the second usual challenge, that of physical, historical or archeological evidences. (sigh) It’s basically the same as asking for a sign from God. Really? Where is your faith?
  
  And uh, I study the Bible all the time! In conjunction with the other scriptures we have available and I’m always increasingly enlightened by learning something new I didn’t realize before. That’s called spiritual growth which is then verified by that “tingly feeling” as you comically put it. Faith is a hope for things not seen which are true. You’re asking for physical “signs”? Hmm, how do dinosaurs and cavemen fit into your archeological evidences that the Holy Bible is true?? Or are you going to dismiss that? We don’t rely on signs or physical evidences as apparently you do to justify your faith. Men’s understanding of science is severely limited and usually flawed compared with what our Heavenly Father knows and understands; I’ll put my faith in Him and His word, thanks. But, if you must, here, try this:
  
  http://www.lostcivilizationdvd.com/
  
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- LDSmommy
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 6:32pm
  Rapture, Just curious, did God choose you as the judge of all things “Christian”? Cause, I’m a Mormon and I’m a Christian, no matter what YOU think. I’ll take it up with God. Contrary to what you think, I KNOW He didn’t you the ultimate judge….you know…something about ‘Thou shall not judge’…and all that crap.
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 8:35pm
  LDSMOMMY
  
  What you fail to understand is that in comment after comment the mormons here have shown my assertions to be correct.
  
  Christ is not spirit brother to Lucifer and mormons teach polytheism
  
  Anyone with any ounce of honesty, integrity, contextual studies knows that the two are not the same.
  
  You will soon see with your own eyes the resurrection/rapture and then you will know just how wrong you are OR, will you continue in the lie.
  
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- theotherberean
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 8:48pm
  Hey MOM, I’m LDS and I believe that Joseph Smith was a woman born in Kentucky in 1888 who restored the Gospel.
  
  Am I a Mormon by your standards or not?
  
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- bintalshamsa
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 10:27pm
  TheOtherBerean, if you know that what he’s doing is harmless, did you have to make that comment to him? I mean, I don’t follow his interpretation of the Bible either, but I simply don’t understand why a person who claims to believe in the Bible would tear down someone like this. There are enough folks out there who ARE pushing their beliefs on others. If you want to ridicule someone, couldn’t you choose them instead?
  
  “Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable–if anything is excellent or praiseworthy–think about such things.”
  Philippians 4:8
  
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- bintalshamsa
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 10:44pm
  @Solaris142 there are actually a lot of records about what happened to the apostles. I mean, it’s not like they just up and vanished after Jesus died. I’m not here to tell you what you have to believe. That’s not my place. However, if you’re someone who is interested in this subject, you might want to check out some of the information produced by the Eastern Orthodox Church. I’ve read many of the LDS books and still have them in my care. I’ve found many of them to contain thoughts and ideas that are quite honorable. Peace be with you!
  
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- Joey8
  Posted on October 18, 2012 at 12:10am
  @theother
  @theother
  a Mormon is someone who believes the Book of Mormon. You can be a Mormon and not a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. A member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is someone who has faith in Jesus Christ, repents, is baptized and receives the Holy Ghost by someone holding the authority from God, and continues in faith, enduring to the end.
  You saying you are a Mormon because you believe in Joseph Smith is as incorrect as your view of a Jesus who wasn’t resurrected.
  If you want to say you believe the Book of Mormon, then you can call yourself a Mormon, because the definition of a Mormon is pretty clear cut, just like the definition of a Christian. Heck, you can even believe the Book of Mormon is true and not believe Joseph Smith was called of God and I’d still call you a Mormon.
  
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- Rob676
  Posted on October 18, 2012 at 2:05am
  @Rapture ~
  “What you fail to understand is that in comment after comment the mormons here have shown my assertions to be correct.
  Christ is not spirit brother to Lucifer and mormons teach polytheism
  Anyone with any ounce of honesty, integrity, contextual studies knows that the two are not the same.”
  
  Your “assertions” are lacking because they’re nothing more than the usual anti-Mormon gibberish. I could attack your faith in a similar simple way. Here~ Science and archeology has already proven the Bible to be false. The earth was created 6 billion years ago but the Bible says it was 6 days about 6000 years ago. Science shows that dinosaurs and mamoths and all kinds of animals not mentioned in the Bible lived on the earth, therefore the Bible is false. ~ There, see how easy that is?? That is an example of the depth of your attacks against our faith. I’ve actually taken the time to read all the scriptures again and again and did so Prayerfully. They’re in harmony.
  Also, why are you so focused on the rapture?? We’re not supposed to be so focused on the end times as much as living every day the commandments of God and doing those works He would have us do as He did. I’d rather be found laboring in the vineyard regardless of when the day of judgement comes. Oh and by the way, with regard to your “assertion” of our “polytheism”… there is only One God and to Him alone is our worship, love and reverence due.
  
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- theotherberean
  Posted on October 18, 2012 at 5:38pm
  @BINT
  
  I stand behind my comment. He really should find something else to occupy some of his time. This is clearly an obsession and obsessions aren’t necessarily healthy. Just ask JOEY8.
  
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- theotherberean
  Posted on October 18, 2012 at 5:40pm
  JOEY8
  
  Ok, then I’m LDS and I believe in Joseph Smith. The woman who lived in Kentucky in 1888. I’m still LDS, right?
  
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hi
Posted on October 17, 2012 at 1:59pm
Billy graham influenced my vote when he said it was okay for a Christian to vote for a Mormon. I really was thinking about not voting. But, I mailed it in already and voted for Romney. He will restore America and guarantee our freedoms. Obama will oppress us.

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batmanroxus
Posted on October 17, 2012 at 1:32pm
Christianity is a cult. Just because it’s popular doesn’t mean it’s not a cult.

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- Alex
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 2:05pm
  Thank you.
  
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- joshua1-9
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 3:00pm
  Do you read the Bible? Do you understand the Bible? Christian’s are not perfecet and I believe that is why people look at us when we screw up because for some reason we are supposed to be perfect and God know I am not. and I thank God every day that Jesus Christ was perfect and died to save me and cover my sins. Christianity is more than just a word it’s more than just saying I am a christian. It’s a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, One who you can communicate with anywhere, anytime. I am sorry that you feel so badly to have to say what you said. I am a christian. and your comments will never change that. I only pray that some day you may see the truth and open your eyes to what Jesus can do for you and anyone like you.
  
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azitdad
Posted on October 17, 2012 at 1:27pm
On behalf of all Mormons, I will take being called a ‘cult’ over being tarred and feathered, terrorized by co-called ‘christians’ who storm through our towns burning our crops, our homes and our places of worship, and assassinating our leaders while in police custody.

Google Governer Boggs of Missouri, Extermination Order, Hawns Mill if you don’t believe me.

‘Cult’. Yeah. I can live with that.

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- TheCalvinistPastor
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 1:43pm
  Classy Move, use the victim card as a means to validate Joseph Smiths claims..I love it.
  
  I love it when Jehovah’s Witnesses pull this one as well. They were persecuted by Nazy Germany for what Ruthorford told them and his crazy wingbat theologies. But, since they went to a concentration camp, it makes it legit. In other words: I am persecuted = I have the truth
  
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- antitheist
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 2:07pm
  Calvinism? I think Jefferson said it best: “Christianity is the most perverted system ever shone on man.”
  
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- TheCalvinistPastor
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 3:42pm
  @antitheist
  
  The founding fathers, many of which were Presbyterians [calvinists] were often in debate with other belief systems, which included Deism and secularism. I am very aware of the theological presuppositions of many of them. Just because Thomas Jefferson opposed Calvinism does not persuade me away from my beliefs. They are biblically driven, not driven by what Thomas Jefferson said.
  
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- WhiteFang
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 4:20pm
  So many people like to talk trash these days. Their insults result from either prejudice or ignorance of the subject at hand. Insulting a group makes them feel superior somehow.
  
  Before condemning a certain religion it would be good to speak with accuracy and with a clear knowledge of the subject at hand, and to understand their motives. Otherwise dishonour comes. If Billy Graham decides to label a faith a cult, that is his business but we have to ask ourselves, How does the True God Jehovah, and His son, Jesus Christ feel about it? Will God hold us accountable as to who we insult?
  
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- TheCalvinistPastor
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 4:27pm
  @WhiteFang
  
  Are you a Jehovah’s Witness White Fang?
  
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- WhiteFang
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 4:48pm
  TheCalvinistPastor,
  
  Everyone here knows I am one of Jehovah’s Witnesses.
  
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- theotherberean
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 5:39pm
  Hey Whitefang, how you doing old buddy? Where did you go? You didn’t answer my questions.
  
  Yes God will hold us accountable, and the false prophet and those who follow him will end up for eternity in the lake of fire where they are tormented day and night and their worm never dies.
  
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- TheCalvinistPastor
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 5:41pm
  @WhiteFang
  
  Apprently not everybody :)
  I was a 4th Generation Jehovah’s Witness. Do you listen to Glenn Beck on radio?
  
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- WhiteFang
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 6:03pm
  I worship the true God Jehovah, and I believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ, Gods Son and appointed King of God’s Kingdom.
  I endeavour to respect and follow the righteous laws and principles found in God’s Word.
  
  I do not listen to Glenn Beck on the radio nor on TV.
  
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- LDSmommy
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 6:39pm
  Calvin…you’re pretty da*m RUDE for a Christian. You might want to review your Bible a bit.
  AZITDAD…Great point!!! I can live with ‘cult’!
  
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- Old Truckers
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 8:24pm
  So all it takes to get off Billy Graham’s “cult list”, is to pay him a visit and kiss his hand?
  And all of a sudden , your no longer a cult!
  
  Hmmm, interesting.
  
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- theotherberean
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 8:52pm
  @FANG is Jesus just a lesser god or Jehovah God?
  
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- Joey8
  Posted on October 18, 2012 at 12:15am
  @theother
  “@FANG is Jesus just a lesser god or Jehovah God?”
  
  Not to defend Jehovah’s witnesses, but you don’t seem to have it right either.
  John 14:28
  “Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.”
  John 20:17
  “Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God”
  
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- theotherberean
  Posted on October 18, 2012 at 5:42pm
  JOEY8
  
  The question was for FANG and you didn’t answer it either. You’re good at not answering questions.
  
  And I see you’re back to following me around trying to hump my leg. But your arguments are just as spiritually bankrupt. Should have sacrificed a few more babies in the temple, maybe consumed a few more widows?
  
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- Joey8
  Posted on October 18, 2012 at 5:52pm
  @theother
  “is Jesus a lesser God or Jehovah”
  From the Bible scriptures I put, He’s both, that is if by lesser God you mean that His God and Father is greater than Him. Is that answer clear enough for you? Do you believe that Jesus’ God and Father is greater than He is?
  
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- theotherberean
  Posted on October 18, 2012 at 6:02pm
  I believe that God and Jesus are the same One God. And yes, there is a hierarchy within the Godhead and that the Father is greater. But they are still the same “One” God.
  
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Sonia Francisco
Posted on October 17, 2012 at 1:26pm
UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL. Good for Rev Graham. I applaud his respectful gesture and see it as a good step in the right direction for the Christian community. I’m thrilled more are moving away from the “Your interpretation of the Bible is different than mine, therefore wrong, which means you’re going to Hell and I will have nothing to do with you” stance some have had with those of other faiths. They are wisely choosing instead to embrace values they each share in common. Catholics and Protestants and Mormons and Jews, even some Agnostics, are coming together to provide a united front to defeat the evil permeating our society and world. One does not have to compromise their own belief system to associate with and support the good works, political or otherwise, of others not of their particular faith. Jesus treated everyone with respect, especially the despised castaways. Remember Matthew 25:40 … Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 45: …Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. When you label, dismiss, bash, & harshly judge others to be unworthy of salvation based on their religious affiliation rather than the content of their character & hearts; you’re treading on thin spiritual ice regardless of how “right”you may feel. You are treating JESUS that way. Let us get off our high horse, humble ourselves and treat one another as beloved “least of these” children

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- theotherberean
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 2:59pm
  The only thing you said that I agree with is “One does not have to compromise their own belief system to associate with and support the good works, political or otherwise, of others not of their particular faith.”
  
  True, but just because one claims to worship God, does not necessarily make their worship acceptable to God Esau comes to mind.
  
  There is only one proper way to worship God, and any other is simply idol worship. So it does matter if one’s intentions are good, results are what count.
  
  Jesus taught love, but think about what he did to the money changers in the temple and what he said to the Pharisees. The truth meant just as much to him as love.
  
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Alex
Posted on October 17, 2012 at 1:01pm
I can’t believe I just read a comment calling Billy Graham a cultist. This is just too rich. What that reveals to me is that to most people, a cult is nothing but a group who disagrees with you. In that case, I guess it is no big loss being called a cultist. Consider the source.

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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 1:19pm
  ALEX
  
  If Billy Graham is not calling a cult a cult and then endorses the cult member as his leader then he is fact siding with satan.
  
  The bible is clear in to many places to count to have nothing to do wit darkness or yoking yourself to cults and on and on.
  
  Billy Graham has never been a ma of God but rather a Catholic devotee and Catholicism is a cult just like mormonism , SDA, JW, and on and on
  
  Do not worry, the resurrection/rapture will expose fully whom is and whom is not Christian
  
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- Catherine A.
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 1:55pm
  True, Alex. The definition of cult depends upon who you ask. The definition provided by the Billy Graham website is not the same as the one provided by many dictionaries. Sometimes the definition involves “strangeness,” which is very subjective. Sometimes it involves devotion to a person, which could be interpreted to include Christianity. Sometimes Christians use it to describe other claimants to Christianity who follow the teachings of a person, such as Joseph Smith. But that could also include Protestant Christians, who began by following Martin Luther, John Calvin, et al.
  
  No one wants their faith to be described as a cult, so the word is divisive and not helpful. There are other ways to communicate that you don’t share someone else’s religious beliefs. I’m glad the site was changed.
  
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- Swimming-with-the-Sharks
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 1:57pm
  @THERAPTURCOMES I am glad that the majority of Christians (especially those who post here) are not as extreme as you. You seem to live in your own world, even your own personal religion taught to you by a person who has a axe to grind against the LDS faith.
  
  I doubt you are open minded enough to even step outside of that shell you have built around your mind. But, just in case you are, and you still insist that Mormons are not Christians, and do not belive in or worship Christ, then please read this one chapter.
  
  http://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/morm/9?lang=eng
  
  This is just one of many.
  
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- DissenterKnight
  Posted on October 18, 2012 at 9:38am
  @TheCalvinistPastor
  
  Preach it, Brother!
  I witness almost daily to Mormon friends; it pains me in my heart to see anyone mislead, but especially so such good people. That said, some of the Mormons I know are surprisingly ignorant of their own doctrine; taught by their pastors not to worry about “deep doctrine”. That alone should make most folks nervous; if your religion doesn’t want you to look to hard at it, run! Still, while I’m no universalist, I’m not convinced that some Mormons have a proper understanding of Christ and a meaning relationship with Him. Just as there will be Catholics and Baptists in hell, there will be Mormons in Heaven; the deciding point will be not their denomination but the nature of their personal RELATIONSHIP with Christ.
  
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TheCalvinistPastor
Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:48am
I grew up as a Jehovah’s Witness and I have experienced first hand the attention to human authority above Jesus Christ in all areas of life.
If were going to remove the LDS church from this category, we might as well be consistent and remove the Jehovah’s Witnesses, Moonies, Scientology as well. Heck, lets just not define terms at all. Lets just have completly different positions on the nature of Jesus, salvation, how we define God [or gods] and still label ourselves “christians”
After all, politics matter more then theology nowadays anyways right?

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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 12:08pm
  So you went from JW to Calvinism? Calvinism is as big a cult as Mormonism, SDA, JW and Catholicism
  
  T.U.LI.P is of Satan
  
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- TheCalvinistPastor
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 12:29pm
  @THERAPTURCOMES
  
  1- How do you define “christian” ?
  2- How do you define Cult?
  
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- bobdiamond
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 12:31pm
  I think it shows the kind of trouble our country is in that Billy Grahm has not only endorsed Mitt Romney but said he would pray for him. Read political commentary at: http://smallcraftadvisorychronicles.blogspot.com/
  
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- marvel
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 12:38pm
  All those who strive to live the teachings of Jesus Christ are Christians. Even a child can understand that. Yes it is true that interpretations of Christ’s teachings vary from one Christian sect to another, and even from one individual to another, but what makes your interpretation superior?
  
  According to Latter-day Saints, other Christians, generally speaking, were in error throughout the world, and were in a state of apostasy necessitating the restoration of the Church through Joseph Smith by God himself. So, we don’t seek to be doctrinally harmonious with mainstream Christianity, or claim the orthodoxy of historical Christianity. Instead, we consider ourselves the restored ancient Church of Jesus Christ, and seek to follow the original as it has been revealed and clarified to us through the scriptures and the voices of modern prophets. Yet, we consider all the many splinters of the Catholic and Orthodox churches, as well as the churches themselves, fellow Christians.
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 12:46pm
  MARVEL
  
  Your comment just proves the point that I have made.
  
  To the Mormon the Christian church is apostate and had to be FIXED. So therefore by your own words you show that the LDS church is SUPERIOR to Christianity and is in fact not ‘THE SAME’
  
  So by your own words you yourself show that the book of Mormon is not a companion to the bible.
  
  The two are not the same and the LDS i a cult with zero accurate history or any kind of historical proof
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 12:48pm
  THECALVINIST
  
  You teach a false Christ just like the rest of the cults and LIMITED ATONEMENT the ‘L’ in TULIP is just one of the many false teachings of Calvinism
  
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- TheCalvinistPastor
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 1:17pm
  @THERAPTURCOMES
  
  Limited Atonement is a false teaching?
  The opposite of limited atonement is Universalism. Check out this scripture:
  
  John 3:16 – “For God so loves the world, that he gave his only Son, so that WHOMEVER BELIEVES will not perish but have everlasting life.”
  
  Isnt salvation in this scripture LIMITED to beleivers?
  
  Unless your a universalist, I guess we all believe in Limited atonement
  
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- TheCalvinistPastor
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 1:20pm
  @marvel
  
  Quote “All those who strive to live the teachings of Jesus Christ are Christians”
  
  I absolutely love that all inclusive Barney theology that is often presented by LDS members.
  By this definition I guess Muslims and buddhists can be labeled as christians as well since both groups incoorporate Jesus in thier own respective theologies. Heck, Jehovah’s Witnesses and Scientologists as well.
  Your theology makes the definition of “christian” so diluted and pragmatic its not even a specific definable position anymore.
  
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- marvel
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 1:20pm
  @THERAPTURECOMES
  
  There you go again… You said, “To the Mormon the Christian church is apostate and had to be FIXED. So therefore by your own words you show that the LDS church is SUPERIOR to Christianity and is in fact not ‘THE SAME’”
  
  No, what I said was that Latter-day Saints believe that all the “other Christians” are in error, and that our form of Christianity represents the restored church of Jesus Christ. Obviously, the ancient church of Christ was Christian. And despite our wild assertion, we still consider all others who seek to follow Christ, Christians (imagine that). We are not saying we are Calvinist Christians, or Roman Catholic Christians, or Orthodox Christians, but Latter-day Saint “Christians”.
  
  Besides, we are not claiming to FIX the apostate Christian sects, but our claim is that God has RESTORED his ancient Church and priesthood authority, and it is known as The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. However, even if we were attempting to FIX “the Christian church”, fixing it would not magically make it “not Christian”. For example, if you have a broken car and I come along and fix it, then you still have… wait for it… a car!
  
  At least you are consistently illogical in your arguments from our last exchange, I will give you that.
  
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- TheCalvinistPastor
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 1:31pm
  @THERAPTURCOMES
  
  By the way, you never defined “christian” yet
  
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- marvel
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 1:39pm
  @THECALVINISTPASTOR
  
  The definition of “Christian” that I am talking about is discipleship. I’m not aware of any Buddhist or Mulsim who “strives” to live the teachings of Jesus Christ. You argument misrepresents my point. Discipleship, marked by obedience to the teachings of Jesus Christ is not “Barney theology”, it is the truth, taught by the Redeemer himself.
  
  “If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” (John 8:31)
  
  So, to put it another way, a Christian is a disciple of Jesus Christ, and I don’t think he has appointed you as the judge of who truly is his disciple or not.
  
  Very nice try though.
  
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- TheCalvinistPastor
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 1:53pm
  @Marvel,
  
  “The definition of “Christian” that I am talking about is discipleship”
  
  Ok, now your adding to your definition. But thats ok, ill accept that
  
  “I’m not aware of any Buddhist or Mulsim who “strives” to live the teachings of Jesus Christ”
  
  Perhaps you should learn more about both theologies then. Muslims accept both the NT and OT cannon and accept Jesus as a prophet of God, and a Buddha [enlightened one] respectively. Both consider Jesus to be a moral figure in thier ethical and religious paradigms. of course, both DEFINE JESUS completly differently! But thats the point I am making.
  When I asked you how you “Define Christian” Your response was this:
  “All those who strive to live the teachings of Jesus Christ are Christians”
  
  Based on that definition [and that definition alone] I can ALSO incoorporate Muslims and Buddhists as being christians as well, since THEY TOO strive to live the teahings of Jesus Christ.
  
  This is why theology matters. Any discussion about how we define Christianity MUST START with the nature of God. In other words, HOW DO YOU DEFINE GOD.
  
  If we cannot agree lay that foundation as a starting point. then all were doing is talking about non-specific pragmatic ideas that are loosely defined and the discussion will go nowhere.
  
  Do you believe that a discussion about the nature of God is important in how we define a christian?
  Or do you believe that anybody can define Jesus how they want [buddha, just a p
  
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- marvel
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 2:46pm
  @THECALVINISTPASTOR
  
  I didn’t add anything to my original statement. All I did was point out that a person who “who strives to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ” is a “disciple of Jesus Christ”, which is just another way of saying “Christian”. I was trying to clarify for you since you seemed to be having difficulty with the concept. Both ways of saying it means “Christian” – they are synonymous.
  
  Let me help you out a little. According to dictionary.com the following is one of the meanings of “disciple”:
  
  “a person who is a pupil or an adherent of the doctrines of another”
  
  And for “doctrine”, I found the following meaning:
  
  “something that is taught; teachings collectively: religious doctrine.”
  
  And for “strive”, I have this:
  
  “to make strenuous efforts toward any goal: to strive for success.”
  
  So, my assertion that “all those who strive to live the teachings of Jesus Christ are Christians” is synonymous with the statement “a Christian is a disciple of Jesus Christ”. Nothing added.
  
  Neither Muslims, nor Buddhists make strenuous efforts towards the goal of living the doctrines of Jesus Christ, and are therefore not Christians. They follow other disciplines, which may include some recognition of Jesus Christ, but are not his disciples.
  
  “If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” (John 8:31)
  
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- marvel
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 3:01pm
  @THECALVINISTPASTOR
  
  You said: “Any discussion about how we define Christianity MUST START with the nature of God. In other words, HOW DO YOU DEFINE GOD.”
  
  That maybe be how to start the discussion of what represents the “true” nature of the Godhead, or “true” Christian theology, but obviously it is not useful in defining who is “striving to follow the teachings of Christ”, or in other words defining who is a “Christian”.
  
  Others who may be mistaken in their understanding of the doctrine of Christ, or the nature of the God, are still Christians, they are just in error. That’s all.
  
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- theotherberean
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 3:06pm
  @MARVEL
  
  I am a Mormon. I strive to believe in Joseph Smith. She was born in Kentucky in 1888.
  
  Comments?
  
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- TheCalvinistPastor
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 3:52pm
  @theotherberean
  
  Thats the perfect response! I could not have said it better myself.
  LDS will feign neutrality and pragmatism when trying to defend thier theology, but when you really press them for details [nature of god, nature of salvation, nature of man] thats when the rubber meets the road. When those differences are really put side by side; the differnces between Biblical Christinity and Mormonism more closely resemble cats and dogs. Two completly different animals.
  
  Here is a simple question I ask any LDS missionary that comes to my door.
  “IF you call yourself Christian, then can you call me a Mormon?”
  
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- theotherberean
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 3:58pm
  SSSHHHH Pastor, don’t give it away. ha ha Let Marvel come to that conclusion himself. A man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still. (Mark Twain?)
  
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- riseandshine
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 5:52pm
  Well done, Marvel.
  
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- bintalshamsa
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 10:36pm
  I was also raised as a Jehovah’s Witness. Like you, I’ve seen what these high-control groups can do. I’m thankful that I made it out. Most of my family is still in it. In my search to find out God’s will for my life, I later studied the Church of Latter Day Saints (i.e. Mormons). It was disconcerting just how much they were like the Jehovah’s Witnesses. I studied with them. I read several of their books. I even attended church with them a few times. If I wanted what they were offering, I’d have stayed with the Jehovah’s Witnesses. I’m now a catechumen of the Eastern Orthodox Church and I’m so much closer to God than I’ve ever been.
  
  I agree with your view on this. If the LDS church isn’t a cult, then neither are the JWs. I mean, the things that make one of them a cult is exactly the same as what makes the other a cult. Since the term “cult” is thrown around so much that it has lost most of its meaning, I prefer to use the term “high-control group”, that’s favored by many who study these kinds of groups.
  
  I won’t tell people they have to reject Romney, but I will say that my experiences with the LDS and the JWs makes me categorize them in the same way that Franklin Graham has.
  
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- FaiththruHearing
  Posted on October 18, 2012 at 8:57am
  In the Begining was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God. And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. In some of these posts there has been mention that Jesus is not God. How does Jesus address God? As the heavenly Father. Jesus has said if you know Me, you know My Father. For man to seperate the Father from the Son or the Son from the Father is a grave mistake. You wrote in one of your statements that a Christian needs to be defined. To follow Jesus Christ teachings is what I heard from some. That is a tip of the old berg. My definition of what a Christian is would be one who believes that Jesus is the Christ the Son of the Living God, come in the flesh to be the propitiation for our sins. A christian must confess with his mouth that Jesus is Lord. He must deny himself and put Christ first in his life. A christian must repent of his old life of sin and trust that Jesus blood has redemmed him. Do we as Christians follow the early church examples? Morminism and Christianity are 2 different religions. Is Romney a better man than I am? Yes. Will I vote for him? Yes. Do I agree with his belief system? NO. Will I pray for him? Yes. Will I judge Romney’s salvation? NO. That is not my job or my desire. How does faith come? By the hearing of the Word. We must work out our faith with fear and trembeling. Someone wrote earlier about not looking for the end times. I disagree. Come Lord Jesus Come and make your presence known.
  
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- DissenterKnight
  Posted on October 18, 2012 at 9:41am
  @TheCalvinistPastor
  
  Preach it, Brother!
  I witness almost daily to Mormon friends; it pains me in my heart to see anyone mislead, but especially so such good people. That said, some of the Mormons I know are surprisingly ignorant of their own doctrine; taught by their pastors not to worry about “deep doctrine”. That alone should make most folks nervous; if your religion doesn’t want you to look to hard at it, run! Still, while I’m no universalist, I’m not convinced that some Mormons have a proper understanding of Christ and a meaning relationship with Him. Just as there will be Catholics and Baptists in hell, there will be Mormons in Heaven; the deciding point will be not their denomination but the nature of their personal RELATIONSHIP with Christ.
  
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Man-On-A-Mission
Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:47am
Graham’s removal of Mormonism as a cult only = I’d rather have any white man in office than a Black!!!!!!

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- OhioRifleman
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 12:19pm
  Mission failed.
  
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- girlnurse
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 1:11pm
  Maybe, I’d rather have a Mormon than a Marxist
  
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watashbuddyfriend
Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:32am
Well, now, here we going again with the Word ‘cult!” Me out of the Southern Baptist ranks….

As I have pointed out many a time on TheBlaze, to use the term ‘cult’ is where the one, or group takes the position on something which they do not understand!

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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:45am
  Cult is used when it contradicts Christianity and it doctrines. Mormonism is a true and very dangerous cult as all Mormons are already condemned for believing upon a Christ that is not of the bible.
  
  John 3:18
  
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- biblestudyspacecom
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:50am
  People who believe, the Bible is the Word of God is the key. No one can follow every doctrine in the Bible. But Satan will never win the Battle over God, because God is a forgiving God. But Jesus said, some Christians will rule over many cities in the kingdom of God. Others will rule over the little things in the kingdom. But many will be in heaven, Satan will not win over God for the souls of man kind.
  
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- jsmpsn
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 12:49pm
  @TheRaptureComes I have a big issue with your statement or view overall. It’s not because you are wrong, but there is one thing that bothers me. Yes, I am a Christian and believe that Christ died on the cross for our sins. I believe in the Trinity as well. Now to the issue, When people generally accept Christ as their Savior at times it may not be the doctrine may not be explained fully. What if during a church service a child accepts Jesus Christ as their Savior and they wasn’t told that Jesus was God in the form of man? In other words they weren’t taught about the Trinity. My argument is this, if you believe that Jesus Christ died for you so that you can go to heaven and you accept him into your heart, what more can you do? I’m not saying that certain beliefs aren’t wrong as they are and yes there are false religions or religions that distort the truth. My point is that if a pastor can call everyone to accept Christ as their Savior then people could potentially be saved even if they aren’t taught the proper doctrine. I’m not sure if God would judge if our doctrine is off a little.
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 1:13pm
  JSMPSN
  
  The condition (GOSPEL) is clearly outlined and determine who is a Christian by the apostle Paul under inspiration of the Holy Spirit in Romans 10:9-10.
  
  It is in full knowledge in the death burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ and the belief in the heart and confessing with the mouth
  
  There will me millions that claim belief in Jesus that will be left behind because they did not know or understand Romans 10:9-10.
  
  Without the death, burial and resurrection of Christ there would be no Christianity
  
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- mcsledge
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 1:34pm
  THERAPTURCOMES – Maybe you can enlighten us on which doctrines of the Gospel of Jesus Christ as taught in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints differ from those of the King James version of the Bible.
  
  Are you referring to the oneness of God? Christ put that topic to rest during His prayer to the Father about His Apostles and His ascension into heaven. Stephen further solidified this truth with his vision of Christ on the right hand of God and Joseph Smith has added his own testimony to the eternal truth that God the Father and Jesus Christ are two separate and distrinct beings with the same purpose.
  
  Please, share others…..
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 2:00pm
  MCSLEDGE
  
  You just nailed it on the head. Two separate beings distinct from each other is POLYTHEISM and is CONTRARY to Scriptures
  
  This is a major difference between mormonism and Christianity/bible
  
  There is but one God and besides Him there are no others Deut 4:35,,, 32:39,,, Psalm 18:31,,, Isaiah 43:10,,, 44:6-8,,, 45:6,,, 45:14,,, 45:18,,, 45:21,,, 47:8,,, Joel 2:27
  
  Now you read each one of these verses then compare what you just said about there being distinct separate beings (Polytheism)
  
  The bible teaches MONOTHEISM
  
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- watashbuddyfriend
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 10:53pm
  @ THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:45am
  
  “Cult is used….” Can you give me the understand of the Greek, and Hebrew on John 3:18: He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.? Sure would appreciate it!
  
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theotherberean
Posted on October 17, 2012 at 10:47am
It was intellectually dishonest to intentionally hide the truth.

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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:31am
  This just proves beyond a doubt that the Grahams are not Christian in any way shape or form. They have just paved the way for the cult of Mormonism to become main stream
  
  http://youtu.be/ahEVxIzlxwo
  
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- TrailBlazer66
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 1:25pm
  Agree. BG is no model of the Christian faith. Check him out, I mean really out and you will find all kinds of other things he sides with like the Pope! kissing up to the Pope and redirecting those who make decisions for Christ in his crusades back to the Catholic church! I’m afraid this is not all.
  
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biblestudyspacecom
Posted on October 17, 2012 at 10:27am
Say a 5 minutes pray to Jesus and your save, that’s what the TBN Cult leaders like Billy Graham have been preaching for 40 years. Billy Graham is a cult just like Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormons, the Unification Church, Unitarians, and others. That’s why the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life reported that the number of adult Protestants in the U. S. has fallen to around 48 percent, the first time since polling began that American Protestants have not held a religious majority. That’s why God is destroying the US Christian Church and this nation, Because they follow after doctrines of men and cult leaders.

We have thousands of members on my Christian Social Network who don’t go to Church, because they get the truth from Christian Social Networks. We are just waiting for God to destroy this nation, and the people will come back to the gospel of Jesus Christ. Thriving Christian Social Networks develop certain signature ministries that invigorate their people, engaging them with each other while responding to the needs around them. Such ministries incorporate the church’s enduring call to bind up the broken-hearted, creative ways by which specific faith communities attempt to live out their Jesus-identity in the world, thriving with or without a statistical majority.

The US Christian Church and this nation will and should be destroy by God and Mitt or Obama will never stop it.

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- VRW Conspirator
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 10:39am
  I think you need to stop studying your bible in space and come back in to the atmosphere for some oxygen…you are starting to hallucinate.
  Now God might destroy this name, He might not…that is up to Him and I will not attempt to know His mind….I would say that on our current path, we are likely to loose His favor, as the people of Israel did from time to time when they deviated from the teachings of Moses and the Prophets.
  
  As for the article and Rev. Graham, the man has done SERIOUS good works and ministered for over 40 years. He can think what he will about other denominations and redefine a cult to be whatever he wishes but God will judge each man, woman, and child not by their denomination but by their own heart, thoughts, and deeds in service to Him.
  
  Glenn and Rev Graham seem to get along fine and have had several meetings and conversations. Glenn is a Mormon, Graham seems to understand Glenn and where his heart is, maybe he saw the same with Romney and is rethinking his definition of Mormanism as a cult, who knows, only God.
  
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- Gonzo
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:09am
  We’re not voting for a theologian in chief anyway. We just need an adult that will make adult decisions for our country. Would I prefer someone of my religion? Of course….and Tom Cruise would prefer a Scientologist.
  
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- Jezreel
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:26am
  You are correct about Billy Graham. He was promoted and made by the media of it’s day just like Obama was made by the media. I have heard Billy Graham say that Muslims are children of God too. Since I left the system of organized religion many years ago, my life has flourished. Organized religion sqeezes the life out of people who are His. You just can’t stand and put up with all the stupid man made doctrine and crap they teach to “silly women” and spineless men. The only ;thing people are doing wrong is to not “Occupy until I come”. Jahshua said to occupy until he come and pray that we can live in peace. Throwing the towel in and not voting is not using the wisdom that God gave us. These silly people probably believe that they will be raptured up just before all hell breaks loose. The church in German during Hitler was foolish enough to believe the same thing. People never learn. Especially religious people seem to be the worst. They listen to that man ordained by man in the pulpits and pay their “tithes” and worship the creature not the creator. They have made a false image of God to worship and that will be their undoing.
  
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- Kenszen
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 1:05pm
  I’m with you, Gonzo.
  
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- theotherberean
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 3:42pm
  At least Romney believes there is a good and moral God and that he is accountable to that God. That’s probably the most important thing we need in a President right now. It’s up to the Holy Spirit to fix any theological shortcomings he may have.
  
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- WhiteFang
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 4:41pm
  If a man says a certain faith is a cult, does that mean the matter is settled? Or is it just his personal opinion? Why should we believe his personal assessment?
  
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- theotherberean
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 5:42pm
  @FANG
  
  You believe and follow the teachings of the man made WTS Organization don’t you?
  
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- bintalshamsa
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:08pm
  @WhiteFang, the answers to those questions are the reasons why I’m no longer a part of the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society (i.e. Jehovah’s Witnesses). When I started wanting answers to those questions, I began looking at the bound volumes to examine whether the things being said by men (i.e. the leadership in the kingdom hall and at Bethel) were true. Like many JWs, I was raised with the admonition to be like the Bereans who kept checking to see whether what they were told was true.
  
  Maybe if I hadn’t had insomnia & loved reading so much, I’d still be a JW. When I did study the books produced by our religion, it became impossible for me to believe the claims. Unfortunately, most JWs are kept so busy just trying to keep up with the assigned literature for the week, that they simply don’t have the time to read anything else. All they can do is accept what the current leadership claims. My step-dad is an elder and even HE has never read the majority of the literature. Even though you can’t order it from the kingdom hall, much of it is still in circulation at libraries and for sale on Amazon or Ebay. If you read it and still believe, you’ll just have a deeper understanding of your religion. There’s no harm in that, right?
  
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DannyMHaszard
Posted on October 17, 2012 at 10:12am
Destructive cult or benign religion?

The *Cult* word gets overused,but in some cases it is appropriate.
The definition of a destructive religious cult is like alcoholism-if booze controls you instead of the other way around you are an alcoholic.
I was in the Watchtower society Jehovah’s Witnesses,they are not benevolent and won’t let you leave their organization in peace.The Jehovahs are not without scandals-child abuse,deceptive mind control tactics, sex scandals, money scams, general bad behavior.
Is it a cult?
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it’s probably a duck….
Danny Haszard *tell the truth don’t be afraid*
FMI dannyhaszard(dot)com

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- TheCalvinistPastor
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 12:31pm
  Hey good to see you still pluggin away Danny!
  This is “Bbil3thumper” :)
  
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Gonzo
Posted on October 17, 2012 at 9:52am
I’ll take a moral Mormon over an immoral “Christian” any day of the week.

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- Wango
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 10:35am
  You’re in luck. You got a 50/50 chance of finding either.
  
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- VRW Conspirator
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 10:41am
  HooYah Brother Gonzo…preach on…!!
  
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- Gonzo
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 10:44am
  Shouldn’t you be out marching for free contraceptives for women or something Wang?
  
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- theotherberean
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 10:55am
  I thought Mormons claimed to be Christians.
  
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- Wango
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:09am
  GONZO . . . Correction, make that a 47% chance of finding either.
  
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- Gonzo
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:15am
  If you weren’t part of the parasitic 47%, that comment wouldn’t hurt your feelings as bad as it does.
  
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- Wango
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 12:24pm
  GONZO . . .Well, you’re wrong again. I’m all set. Thanks. I love this country, don’t you?
  
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ThoreauHD
Posted on October 17, 2012 at 9:49am
When your religion is based off of a snake oil salesman that’s not very good at his job, or a science fiction writer that realizes creating a religion is the only way he’ll ever get rich, or an arab that wants to overthrow governments and kill everyone that doesn’t pledge allegiance to him- then it doesn’t matter what you call it. You’re fked in the head. Don’t put that on everyone else. Us normal “Christians” have proof from multiple disparate eye witnesses of eternal life. Jew, Roman, and Christian.

Mormons have golden plates of happiness that the author can’t recreate. Scientologists have a book about brainwashing called Dianetics. And mud slimes have the word of one guy that liked to cut Jews heads off, sodomize little children, and murder his own family members.

Of those, I think Mormons are the least threatening because they do not use force to impose their beliefs on you- unless you like in Utah and want a beer. Then they do.

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- theotherberean
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 10:41am
  That’s why you should take two Mormons fishing with you because if you only take one he’ll drink all your beer.
  
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- FROTHYDISCHARGE
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 10:57am
  This is one thing the left is right about. You “normal” Christians are hateful little people. People should notice something, those who are hard core antimormon are the most spiteful, small minded people. They would gladly throw in with the Pharisees in the New Testament.
  
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- theotherberean
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:09am
  Should we use your vitriolic comments or your disgusting user name as an example?
  
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conservredneck
Posted on October 17, 2012 at 9:44am
I don’t necessarily think Rev. Graham changed his mind about Mormon’s. He just decided to make a change on their website to try and put many peoples minds at ease. Sounds to me like he too is voting for the man not the “religion”.

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- MaleneSBrown
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 9:58am
  @CONSERVREDNECK
  I think thats what we all need to do.
  
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- Wango
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 10:36am
  Wow, Billy hates the Jews and the Mormons,. He’s quite a guy.
  
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- MaleneSBrown
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 10:54am
  @WANGO
  Where do you find that he HATES Jews and Mormons?
  
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- Wango
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:07am
  MALESBROWN . . .This’ll get you started. Let me know if you need more.
  
  http://rense.com/general20/billy.htm
  
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G.E.R
Posted on October 17, 2012 at 9:44am
When will they learn that all religions are cults

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- ThoreauHD
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 9:51am
  I don’t mind if a religion is a cult as long as it has multiple eye witness accounts of proof in it’s beliefs, AND it does not impose by threat of death, taxation, or oppression their belief system on others.
  
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- G.E.R
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 10:25am
  There are no first hand accounts, no eyewitnesses. As far as christianity goes it’s based on 4th century scrolls claiming to be copies of lost letters from the 1st century.
  
  Herod slaughtering all male babies in Bethlahem
  2 earthquakes hitting Jerusalem
  Jesus triumphant arrival into Jerusalem where he is welcomed as a King
  Jesus kicking out all the greedy money changers in a area the size of 35 football fields
  A supernatural darkness covering all the land for hours
  All the dead holy men rising from the grave and wandering around Jerusalem appearing to many
  The temple curtain tearing from top to bottom.
  
  And not one contemporary historian in the time of Jesus wrote about it.
  
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- john vincent
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 10:35am
  Ger-
  good try,
  but try reading the works of FLavius Josephus who contradicts everything u said.
  
  Witnesses? They abound, how about 500 people who saw a once dead, but now alive Christ?? (1 Cor. 15)
  
  How about JOhn the Baptist who prepared his whole life for a SIX month ministry, only to have his life ended with his head on a platter??
  
  How about the millions who have died for an alleged lie? THere is proof, if you look for it. A close mind and heart can see nothing.
  
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- VRW Conspirator
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 10:54am
  GER…you were already corrected about Josephus…and he isn’t the only one…the Roman records from the time also chronicle much of what the Bible accounts…
  
  and while the oldest complete Codex is from the late 4th to early 5th century, there are incomplete versions that date back to the early to middle 2nd century…from Church Fathers that would have been removed from the Apostles by only 50 or 60 years in some cases..that were probably taught by the disciples the Apostles personally taught to carry on their work….
  
  so you are wrong on that case as well..there is historical proof of Jesus of Nazerath…his life and death at the hands of the Romans…and there are writings that are only removed from Jesus’ death by less than 100 years..that survived…since they are copies and attributed to the writers of the 4 gospels, all of whom have a direct link to an Apostle..it is not unbelievable that the first accounts were written between 70-100 AD as the Church and Christians in general believe…
  
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- DamocleAurelius
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:03am
  Thor needs to read the testament of eyewitnesses to the plates in the Book of Mormon.
  
  There are sworn testaments of men who saw and handled the plates. Interestingly enough half these men left the LDS Church after heavily investing in its founding. But they never denied their testimonies .
  
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- theotherberean
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:27am
  Actually, the names of the three witnesses are only printed on the B.of M. while their signatures are missing.
  
  Also, D&C 17:5 says they saw the plates “by faith” and the official Mormon publication Times and Seasons, Vol. II, p. 482, says that Oliver Cowdery did deny the B. of M. Records show that he and his family joined the Methodist Protestant Church in Tiffin, Ohio, in about 1841, where Oliver served as secretary. When he died in 1850, he was buried by a Methodist minister, John Sexsmith, in Richmond, Missouri.
  
  David Whitmer belonged to at least three of the Mormon splinter groups at different times, but he died still rejecting the LDS Church and its priesthood.
  
  Martin Harris had been a member of at least five religious groups prior to becoming a Mormon, and he joined several others after he left Mormonism.
  
  Brigham Young’s brother, Phineas, wrote to Brigham on December 31, 1841, from Kirtland, Ohio, saying, “There are in this place all kinds of teaching; Martin Harris is a firm believer in Shakerism, says his testimony is greater than it was for the B. of M.” (Martin Harris — Witness and Benefactor of the Book of Mormon, 1955, p. 52). http://utlm.org/onlinebooks/mclaims4.htm#witnesses
  
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- G.E.R
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 12:09pm
  Josephus was born after the supposed death of Jesus. So he witnessed nothing. And you can’t use the fictional stories of the bible as proof the bible is true. If any part is false it is not credible
  
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- john vincent
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 12:40pm
  ger-
  you remind me of the person who says ‘there is no such thing as wind,’ after all, you can’t see it.
  
  C’mon ger, look at the evidence
  
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- theotherberean
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 2:46pm
  @GER
  
  History and archeology prove you wrong, and the Bible right.
  
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- G.E.R
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 8:25pm
  The stories in the bible have been changed to fit events and places more times than can be counted. So much so that the final translations got Jesus name wrong and how he supposedly died.
  
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- theotherberean
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 8:45pm
  That assertion only demonstrates your ignorance. The Dead Sea Scrolls prove that we have the same Bible today as when it was written.
  
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dablmc
Posted on October 17, 2012 at 9:34am
If Billy can see past the book of Mormon he must believe that most Mormons get to Jesus anyway.

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soybomb315_II
Posted on October 17, 2012 at 9:24am
So much for the Graham’s sticking to the bible. So they change their minds based on who the republican nominee is???

Either they believe Mormonism is a false religion or not – they should not try to be flip floppers like Romney

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- john vincent
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 9:45am
  Soy-
  a delicate topic here. I know a man who has morals light years ahead of christians I know. He has the utmost integrity and is honest as the day is long. So few like him, men without guile. I cannot tell you of the daily embarrassment witnessed by the lives of so called believers. If you are honest, you must agree. However….morality is not spirituality, and he, like others, needs to repent and believe the gospel.
  
  Mr Graham the evangelist is both a moral and spiritual man; he must act with discretion regarding political and spirtual things, without compromising what is true. He knows that a man can be moral, while having opposite views spiritually. In his mind, Romney is the better choice.
  
  I believe that Mr GRaham, living a life without blemishes, and removed from media manipulation, has earned the right to make such observations and decisions. Loosen the slack on the rope.
  
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Individualism
Posted on October 17, 2012 at 9:23am
its a cult with similar beliefs to the kkk about certain minorities which makes them dangerous people to put in power if they follow that part of the book.

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- DamocleAurelius
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:05am
  Kind of ironic a nazi accusing Mormons of being the KKK…
  
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- RedNeckMormon
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:06pm
  Your an idiot…
  
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adeleeeee
Posted on October 17, 2012 at 9:20am
If a muslim can be elected as a President, then I don’t see there is any problem for a Mormon.

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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 9:25am
  Obama is surely atheist. Muslims pray 5 times a day
  
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Strider26
Posted on October 17, 2012 at 9:16am
I will be voting for Romney during this election cycle. I do believe that he has the skill set necessary to begin to move the country back to strong financial footing. However, I find this a disappointing move by the Graham organization. Only Mormons and the uninformed believe that Mormonism is not a cult.

Romney is an establishment Republican, which is what we need to be getting rid of, not electing. Just like the last presidential election I am wishing the ticket were reversed and the VP was running for president.

Although far from perfect, I would rather that Herman Cain had won the nomination. I will vote for the lesser of two evils again. I just can’t believe it is between a Mormon and a Muslim. The real issue is that it is between the destruction of our country by Obambi or a move back towards our ideals with Romney.

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- quiet little lamb
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 9:29am
  I’m voting for the man not the faith. I do have a problem with the mormon faith, but that doesn’t make Romney a bad person….Bill Clinton is a Baptist. Nuff said@
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 9:30am
  at least you understand the contradiction of Mitt Romney and i give you credit for that
  
  You know Romney is not a good choice considering what needs to be done in this country. Hopefully you will fight even harder next election cycle against the establishment and RINOs. And if Romney somehow wins in 2012, we need to have a Tea Party/Constitution candidate in 2016 to run against him. Romney would lose a 1-on-1 matchup against someone like Herman Cain
  
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RightThinking1
Posted on October 17, 2012 at 9:15am
Reverend Graham is a very responsible man. If, after conversation with Romney, he alters his perspective regarding the Mormon Church, that’s fine by me. My personal experience has been that, as a rule, Mormons are far more likely to lead Christian lifestyles than, say (with apologies to many), Episcopalians.
Okay Wango…, there’s your cue.

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- Wango
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 10:37am
  Yes, Billy probably now, after 185 years on Earth believing what he does, has been enlightened to the true Jesusly brotherhood of the Mormons. It’s the Jews he hates.
  
  Thank you, and you’re welcome.
  
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- theotherberean
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:05am
  Was it really responsible of Graham to hide the truth?
  
  Mormons might look good on the outside but on the inside they’re spiritually bankrupt.
  
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- Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
  Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:24am
  Wait…I thought Obama hates the Jews. I guess his actions were yelling louder than his words.
  
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