The Catholic Church is known for its conservative theology. When progressive ideals enter the fray, the Vatican is generally quick to respond in an effort to correct any actions that are taken by clergy that seemingly contradict the Church’s teaching. But what happens when issues — like gay marriage — become so glaring that those who disagree with more conservative views no longer wish to abide by official Catholic doctrine?
To answer this question, one must look no further than the American National Catholic Church (ANCC), a relatively new denomination that was founded in 2009. The splinter group, which has no attachment to the official Church, dubs itself the ”the church you have been praying for” and embraces left-of-center ideals. On its web site, the denomination explains that is it not a part of the Roman Catholic tradition, that “there are many other types of Catholics” and that the ANCC wishes to make the world “a more compassionate place.”
While the denomination celebrates the same sacraments that were brought into existence during the Vatican Council II, there are many notable worship — and theological differences — between ANCC and the Vatican. While the group prays for the pope, it does not see him as the kingpin of all Catholic denominations. Furthermore, adherents do not believe that the religious leader is infallible.

A screen shot from the ANCC web site.
Other major areas of difference are celibacy, women in the priesthood and policies governing the inclusion of gays and lesbians. Under ANCC rules, clergy members are not required to take a vow of celibacy and, like most Protestant denominations, they are permitted to have families so that they “understand firsthand the joys and struggles that come with the Sacrament of Matrimony.”
Females are also permitted to be priests and bishops within the ANCC umbrella — something that the Roman Catholic church has, up to this point, not sanctioned. And, as RNS notes, people who have been divorced are permitted to have communion. As for gays and lesbians, the denomination believes that sexuality is a part of individuals’ identity. Perhaps most controversial is the ANCC’s teaching that God has created some people to be homosexuals — a sentiment many conservatives would reject.
“Sacramental limitations on marriage and ordination are rejected,” the church’s web site proclaims. “As such, we joyfully united same sex couples in the Sacrament of Matrimony and ordain qualified gays and lesbians called by God.”
While the ANCC is clearly a tiny denomination, it already has a total of seven parishes in six states: Connecticut, Missouri, New Jersey, North Dakota, Pennsylvania and Virginia. Typically, breakaway religious groups — particularly in the Catholic tradition — fail to grow.
“It’s a big undertaking. A number of us had explored different options, so we sat down and talked about what was really good, what didn’t work, and tried to craft something that addressed it,” the Rev. Matthew Bailey, a co-founder of the ANCC, told RNS.
Bailey said that splinter groups typically fail, because they don’t keep up their standards. In an effort to avoid this issue, the ANCC has launched a seminary and is training clergy to effectively avoid these issues.
However, experts contend that, though there are 200 Catholic groups that operate outside of the Roman tradition, most are conservative. Very few follow ANCC’s blueprint of taking a more progressive stance on the issues, meaning that the denomination is likely facing what RNS reports to be a potential “uphill battle.”




















































































































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another mimi
Oct. 17, 2012 at 9:19amI’m hetero, but I suppose if I were BORN gay, (which implies God “made me that way”), then I might feel and become militant about being accepted in all aspects of society, even the church I happened to be raised in, such as the traditionally anti-gay Catholic Church or certain fundamentalist Protestant ones.
However, if I realized that the church of my birth was intransigent on the subject of accepting gays, then I imaging that, rather than to “keep banging my head against the wall” and being frustrated and angry in a useless attempt to change such an intransigent institution, then I would abandon it and go to a church that welcomes gays.
Sometimes the intelligent thing to do is to simply leave an institution with which one fundamentally disagrees. Move on with one’s life.
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CHUBADAMS
Oct. 17, 2012 at 9:31amBack in the day, homosexuals had to hide their sexuality. Today they are accepted. Next step, they want to be embraced, after that, your guess is as good as mine.
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Jim23
Oct. 17, 2012 at 9:40amWhat is your basis for saying if it is in born it must be God’s doing? Original Sin had consequences on our bodies and our souls. Death and disease and disorder are all consequences of Original Sin. Homosexuality is a corruption of God’s created intent. If God created homosexuality, why does He forbid homosexual acts in both the Old and New Testaments (Leviticus and 1Cor, 1Tim)?
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turkey13
Oct. 17, 2012 at 10:09amThis is Cool – throw away the Bible and write you own and then get a tax exemption from the IRS. I think these people are copying The Rev. al Sharpton. Sharpton uses his home as a church and has been fighing thr IRs since late 2008. He owes over 1.2 million in back taxes – kinda like Buffit oweing a $$ billion bucks. Like Charlie Rangel oweing almost $ 800,000 and 6 of Obamas Szars having to decine his request because of tax problems and then don’t forget Turbo Timmy. maybe we just need to elimate all deductions and fire all the IRS folks and hire new ones and pay 10% on each dollar collected.
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another mimi
Oct. 17, 2012 at 10:19amJim – isn’t it “odd” that neither Jesus nor the Ten Commandments spoke against it? And remember that the there are examples of ‘crazy’ admonitions in the Old Testament such as to stone adulterers.
Through out history, people couldn’t and still can’t understand WHY some people, a minority, are born gay. I don’t understand why! Therefore it’s human nature to condemn what we can’t understand in many cases.
However, to the degree that consensual gay relationships harm no one, I have trouble seeing them as “immoral”. (At the same time, there are certainly some examples of heterosexual behavior which are hurtful or immoral!)
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Jim23
Oct. 17, 2012 at 10:27amSome believe Jesus’ supposed non-mention of homosexuality implies active homosexuality is OK. This reflects a sub-Christian view of Scripture. This wrongly imagines only the Gospels are God’s Word. His disciples’ letters specifically mention homosexuality; Jesus, referring to His disciples says “he who hears you, hears me”.
Jesus said nothing specific concerning sex with animals or incest or pedophilia. Are we to presume these are acceptable behaviors ?
Jesus may have indirectly referred to active homosexuality when mentioning general immorality (porneia in Mark 7:21-23.). Some scholars believe 1st century Jews understood porneiai as a short-hand means to refer to the list of Levitical sexual prohibitions, which included sex with animals, incest, and homosexuality. Jesus did preached against homosexual acts – he included it with bestiality and incest.
Unlike divorce and adultery, Jewish teaching concerning homosexuality was undivided and the incidents of homosexuality probably scarce, it is more plausible to me that (unlike divorce/adultery) incest, sex with animals, and homosexuality were not prominent Jewish 1st century issues. However, when His disciples preached to the Gentiles, they encountered incest and homosexuality – and preached against it.
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Jim23
Oct. 17, 2012 at 10:28amSome pro-homosexuals assert that Christian elimination of certain Old Testament laws is reason to now allow the acceptance of active homosexuality. The Church teaches that
elimination of Old Testament cleanliness, ceremonial and dietary laws was directly linked to Christ’s death and resurrection. Christ fulfilled the law and broke down the barriers between God and man, Jew and Gentile, which Scripture says these laws represented (look it up). The ceremonial or purity/ritual laws have to do with tabernacle and temple. They were introduced by God to reinforce the concepts of holiness and bodily purity. Cleansing from impurity was to be accomplished through sacrificial offerings. The rules and regulations associated with the temple no longer apply to Christians for the very good reason that Jesus Christ, in his body and through his blood, has fulfilled and replaced the temple. He died the death required of the woman caught in adultery and that required by every person who has ever committed adultery. Christ died the death required of every person who has ever committed the moral sin of murder or the moral sin of homosexuality. He fulfilled the law. Our death is no longer required.
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Jim23
Oct. 17, 2012 at 10:29amThis replacement is not something the Church imagined whole-cloth. Rather it is the key point labored by the author of the Book of Hebrews who makes clear in chapters 9-10 (as Peter’s vision makes clear in Acts 10:9-23) that on the cross, in accordance with the prophets, Christ’s blood sacrifice cleansed, once and for all, the impurity of all those who believe. Jesus body and blood is the one and only sacrificial offering to which the Law and prophets point.
However, the Levitical prohibition against active homosexuality is placed squarely with adultery, child sacrifice, sex with animals, and cursing your parents. Christ’s death and resurrection undid none of these moral prohibitions. Unlike cleanliness and dietary laws, most of these sins carried the death penalty in the Old Testament to signify grave immorality. Jesus eliminated the death penalty, but the Old Testament death penalty pre-figured eternal damnation – and this still looms as an outcome. Jesus does not eliminate the Levitical moral laws – if anything he makes them stricter. Jesus moves us closer to God’s original plan. He forbids divorce, he raises the status of women, he calls a lustful eye equivalent to adultery, and he says we are in danger of hell if we curse anyone.
Accepting active homosexuality does not move us closer to God’s original plan, rather it regresses us beyond the distortions from God’s original plan permitted in the Old Testament.
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Jim23
Oct. 17, 2012 at 10:30amSome pro-homosexuals invite readers to infer that God created homosexuals, apparently because there may be a biological component to homosexuality. However, any biological component is theologically explainable as a consequence of Man’s Fall – Original Sin. Death is now biologically natural, but was never part of God’s created intent for Man. Rather, death, disease, disorders, are consequences of Original Sin even if there are biological components. There is no theological need to assign homosexuality to God’s doing nor is there any scriptural evidence for this. Original Sin had consequences on both our souls and our bodies. If God did create homosexuality, why does He condemn homosexual acts in both the old and new testaments?
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another mimi
Oct. 17, 2012 at 11:00amI am unable to carry on a discussion of HOW literally to take the bible, or if it is REALLY “the word of God” because I am uneducated in bible studies. (If scholars who devote their lives to these studies disagree about these details – how should I know?!)
(I am just struck but how many religions each have their own holy books, and often take them or parts of them literally, but yet they can be contradictory to each other. I, a non-scholar, go with what almost all religions have in common: compassion for fellow man, and the Golden rule)
Let’s just not hurt each other, and I think all will be fine! Live and let live……
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Jim23
Oct. 17, 2012 at 11:23amPeople adhering to the Church’s position should do so with love. They do not believe someone can truly love another if the person enables another to commit grievous sin.
If I truly love my brother or sister, I would want for them to go to heaven. To encourage anyone to continue on a path that is condemned by God, is not loving at all. God does not love tolerance of sin. Although scripture and Church teaching say we are not to judge, they also teach that we are to admonish (warn). Let us love our homosexual brothers & sisters enough to encourage them to lead a chaste lifestyle. They have a tough cross to bear & the Lord will help them with it if they ask Him to.
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Walkabout
Oct. 17, 2012 at 11:27amCHUBADAMS
Pretty much
Hide >> Accept >> Embrace >> ?
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Schools are already promoting it with Gay Pride month.
Gays always point to the animal world. They don’t point to research that animals get confused. Scientists however do & will until their funding gets yanked.
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Walkabout
Oct. 17, 2012 at 11:32amJIM23
Good Comments. Very clean. Very straightforward. Liable to get rid of some of the sturm & drang in the debate.
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Bambihunter6
Oct. 17, 2012 at 11:32amIf homosexuals are “born that way,” then this would confirm Predestinate Reprobation, would it not?
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guns-an-bibles
Oct. 17, 2012 at 11:40amI found it interesting to note that the dove in their new symbol is pointed downward. Isn’t that the same direction satan pointed as soon as he turned liberal? Just curious…
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Gratefultobeamerican
Oct. 17, 2012 at 12:00pmThe church does accept gay people. All are welcome. And to say marriage should be between a man and a woman is not anti-gay. We have to stop the kidnapping of our language.
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Walkabout
Oct. 17, 2012 at 12:27pmanother mimi
I’m hetero, but I suppose if I were BORN gay
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Still looking for the gay gene or genes? Homosexuality seems to be more about memes than genes. It is more about confusion, lust, “because I can”, socioeconomic conditions & societal pressures than an “instinct” programmed into the humans.
Economic stress leads to rise in homosexual activity. Than has been proven by economists. Between female infanticide, overt polygamy, covert polygamy, there are a lot of societal pressures on males.
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Walkabout
Oct. 17, 2012 at 1:00pmBambihunter6
If homosexuals are “born that way,” then this would confirm Predestinate Reprobation, would it not?
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I see it more as a matter of choice.
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I don’t much like the ideal of predestination. It goes against the concept of free will. If God knows what you are going to do before you do it, it is not the same thing as predestination & a person could still have free will. God could exist out of time. Whatever that means. There is also the concept of free will where many actions decide dacording to the derterminsitic maxim but a few a of free will.
Whatever, many people are bound & determined to do the wrong thing. The of the sociological data deters them such as the recent British study on the lack of long term homosexual relationships or AIDS.
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Granny58
Oct. 17, 2012 at 2:33pm@Jim23 – Thank you.
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jerimiah41
Oct. 17, 2012 at 6:11pmI read the scriptures everyday. I read the bible through and through a few times a year. You will not find anywhere that God or Jesus refers to man on man sex as anything but an abomination and he does not create abominations. He made a man and a woman from man to go forth and multiply. You are not born a homosexual just like you would not be born a lesbian. There have been homosexuals and lesbian as far back as the old testatment. The cities and Gommorah and Sodom were completely destroyed and everyone killed. The problem was very sinful and immorality such as man on man, woman on woman and more. For you to have these behaviours you would have allowed satan to creep into your life at an early stage. I love all brothers and sisters and pray for all that live this life style. They take love to another level beyond what christians are supposed to do. The Lord loves them and I am sure prays they will see there wrong ways. However, just because he loves you does not mean he will not judge your sins. I pray for your sake he does show mercy if you pass on living this life style. I will not judge but nowhere I can find in any scripture reading this behaviour is acceptable. This phony religion they have established could have been done by anyone. Why don’t just some of the gay community start up a church in their homes or community and see what happens. We have always had false churches and false prophets. The Power of Prayer and God are beautiful happenings. God Bless
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KevINtampa
Oct. 17, 2012 at 6:54pmMimi,
The purpose of religion is to recognize that we have more purpose than animals because we have the challenge of morality. This means we can behave, live, and work with purpose and forethought; civilized if you will. In order to do that we must resist the urge of our very natural animalistic tendencies. It is natural to lie. It is natural to steal. It is natural to murder. It is natural to cheat with the neighbors wife and rape his daughter. It is natural to be unruly animalistic. It is religion that taught us not to do these things and made these acts vile because religion is what brought us morality; and it’s why as salience of religion escapes further from the public mindset the more murder, rape, theft, and hate increase. This is our natural existence when we remove our morality. A few generations of this and civilized society with liberty cannot exist, even with the best intentions we will need to be managed and enslaved for too many will simply be naturally human.
Many believe, including Catholics, that homosexuality lessens the respect we must have for a very animalistic side to the human instinct. We can drop our guards to our flawed human nature if you like, just don’t be surprised when the immoral nature of such a society keeps invading your earthly experience; such is the nature of every fallen society taken by Ba’al.
If this church doesn’t believe in the one true and apostolic church, it isn’t Catholic.
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Thomas_Jefferson
Oct. 18, 2012 at 1:03amI notice the dove is upside down, Just like an upside down cross.
This American National Catholic Church is not Catholic nor christian.
It is another attempt of Satan to corrupt people with false ideology.
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LoneStar50
Oct. 18, 2012 at 11:39amThe Catholic church welcomes gays, but is firm in its belief that marriage is a sacrament intended for one man and one woman. Gays can certainly attend the Catholic church, but the church preaches chastity for both gay people and unmarried heterosexuals.
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Tri-ox
Oct. 17, 2012 at 9:19amIt is very simple – They ARE NOT Catholic.
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00100111
Oct. 17, 2012 at 9:22amThey are the Apostate Catholic Church.
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The_Cabrito_Goat
Oct. 17, 2012 at 12:01pmThey key word is “splinter”
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Gonzo
Oct. 17, 2012 at 9:19amThe apostate church. We’re getting close people. If you’re not a Christioan, don’t fly with a Christian pilot…because he’s going up and you’re going down.
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momrules
Oct. 17, 2012 at 9:37amCorrect Gonzo. Time is short.
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Mapache
Oct. 17, 2012 at 9:43amif the Christian pilot goes up while he is flying the plane, everyone else in the plane is going down. God invented gravity.
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BODYBAG
Oct. 17, 2012 at 9:52amThe Great Wh0re
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Wango
Oct. 17, 2012 at 10:41am“Gays are a cult, just like the Mormons.” – Billy Graham
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Walkabout
Oct. 17, 2012 at 11:41amWango,
What can we learn from the life of Joe Jervis, who has been known to comment onl WND? After looking at his life, I question that gays even want “gay marriage” other than to force people to accept their homosexuality.
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Walkabout
Oct. 17, 2012 at 11:44amWango,
I have problems with Mormon doctrine. There was no need for a new revelation. That said I am going to vote for Romney & be happy about it.
All the Mormons I have known have treated me well. So keep trying & failing. Have you changed anyone’s mind on this site?
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Walkabout
Oct. 17, 2012 at 11:50amOWS troll Wango is very much into zingers.
I am not bothered by what Graham said about Moromonsim & what he says now. Billy Graham is not infallible. But I respect him & he is a great man.
“{Becker’s cults were small religious groups lacking in organization and emphasizing the private nature of personal beliefs.
“Later formulations built on these characteristics while placing an additional emphasis on cults as deviant religious groups “deriving their inspiration from outside of the predominant religious culture”. This deviation is often thought to lead to a high degree of tension between the group and the more mainstream culture surrounding it, a characteristic shared with religious sects. Sociologists still maintain that unlike sects, which are products of religious schism and therefore maintain a continuity with traditional beliefs and practices, “cults” arise spontaneously around novel beliefs and practices” -wiki
It might be argued that Mormonism is not strictly speaking a cult in the sociological sense. But whatever. How much are they paying you Wango?
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VaARNG_Guardsman
Oct. 18, 2012 at 5:40amI love how Mormons say they are the TRUE Church and make themselves exclusive, then try to say they are Christian! LOL that’s a good one.
Don’t bring another book to the party and call is Christianity.
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Bohump
Oct. 17, 2012 at 9:18amThis .. “Pro Gay Denomination” .. Need’s to Read The Bible, .. Rather than Write a NEW one to suit there own belief’s !
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chavousc
Oct. 17, 2012 at 9:15amWhile I take a couple of issues with this article, namely a lack of actual research and truly incorrect representations of what the real Catholic church believes, practices and has done, this is little more than another Christian denomination forming as they so often do, furthering the schism, and thus sin, in our one universal Christian church.
I have always feared that the biggest sin in in the church today is this schism – and one for which God will ultimately hold us all accountable. “Did you help bring my people together or did you help drive them apart?”
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Blitz
Oct. 17, 2012 at 9:03amCall yourself what you want but your not a church of God, sorry.
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momrules
Oct. 17, 2012 at 9:57amThey are certainly not a Christian group, they are associated with Satan.
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docdiva07
Oct. 17, 2012 at 9:02amThey are not Catholic. Many also remain in the RCC but defy its tenets. The RC Church will not “change” with the times. If you want to pervert the faith, please leave. .
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stloocardsfan
Oct. 17, 2012 at 9:14amAmen.
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Eastinfection
Oct. 17, 2012 at 9:14amThey have every right to call themselves “Catholic”. If they want to call themselves “Roman Catholic”, then we have a problem. Any christian church not sanctioned by the Vatican is, by definition, “Protestant”.
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JeffJ1985
Oct. 17, 2012 at 9:39am@EASTINFECTION The Eastern Churches consider Rome to be the original protestant church. Her children are just following in her Mother’s footsteps. ;-)
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joboww
Oct. 17, 2012 at 10:20am@Jeff…. and the Vatican sees it the other way. Question is who has the final authority?
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tradcatholicgirl
Oct. 17, 2012 at 12:17pmAmen Amen
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tradcatholicgirl
Oct. 17, 2012 at 1:05pmAmen
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jt4
Oct. 18, 2012 at 12:13amAmen.
@Tradcatholicgirl…. a traditional Catholic woman. I think I’m in love.
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JLambert2
Oct. 17, 2012 at 9:01amBe aware that there are several groups out there that have organized, are rightly called “Catholic”, and which have valid sacraments, valid ordinations with Apostolic succession, and continue in the genuine tradition of the Roman Catholic Church. Most of them severed ties over Modernism. Some severed over the first Vatican Council of the 1800′s. Most contemporary groups that severed did so regarding the Second Vatican Council. BOTH councils blatantly departed from the tradition and teachings of the church. Regarding comments about stagnation of these groups, I invite you to please examine http://www.amazon.com/Index-Leading-Catholic-Indicators-Vatican/dp/0972868801. It shows the terrifying exodus of Catholics from the faith since Vatican II. On the other hand, research shows that the “Traditionalist” Catholics have plenty of vocations and devoted followers. While small in some areas, they are very strong in others. These traditionalist groups reject Vatican II as being by and large contradictory to church teachings. I for one left the contemporary church of Vatican II, and went to the Society of Pius X. I have since left there and am now Old Roman Catholic. I am very willing to speak to people at The Blaze regarding this, because some of the comments by Mr. Beck regarding Catholicism take a dust-pan approach. Believe me, there are many of us out here who adhere to the faith of the Saints and of the Apostles, and NOT of Vatican II.
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joboww
Oct. 17, 2012 at 10:22amyeah they are the mad men called sedevacantists…they cant understand that the spirit of VII is not in the docs of VII. That is what the Pope has been getting at since 2005
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CatMS
Oct. 17, 2012 at 11:48amTraditional Catholic=Truth
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joboww
Oct. 17, 2012 at 12:42pmTraditional Catholic=recognizing the authority of Peter=Truth… otherwise sede aka protestant, but a fancy protestant I would say
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jt4
Oct. 18, 2012 at 9:10pmFor those seeking a more traditional Catholic Mass, seek out the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter, a group in line with and under the authority of the Church.
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Eastinfection
Oct. 17, 2012 at 8:58amAs a Roman Catholic, i have no problem with this.
Anybody can start any church they like and call it anything they wish.
The Vatican doesn’t endorse it and it won’t affect my belief system at all. Good for them.
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Bohump
Oct. 17, 2012 at 9:24amI Read My Bible, .. It is Where the Church Started.
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momrules
Oct. 17, 2012 at 10:01amI am not Catholic but this church only increases my faith in the one true God. These things were all predicted and as always the Word of God is infallible.
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joboww
Oct. 17, 2012 at 12:43pm@mom the books are infallible according to whom?
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momrules
Oct. 17, 2012 at 2:19pmJOBOWW……….Well His Word, the Bible, is certainly infallible to me.
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joboww
Oct. 17, 2012 at 9:21pm@mom… so how do you know what books belong in scripture?
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Sharon Rose
Oct. 17, 2012 at 8:55amPoor misguided souls. God will have the final say when they meet Him!
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VanGrungy
Oct. 17, 2012 at 8:50amThe Catholic Church won’t sue. The reason why is that the Baha’i tried to copyright the name ‘Baha’i’ and lost their case at the 7th Circuit Appeals Court.
http://bahaifaith7thcircuitcourtofappeals.blogspot.com
Opinion, Judge Sykes, p 14-15: “When a district judge takes sides in a religious schism, purports to decide matters of spiritual succession, and excludes dissenters from using the name, symbols, and marks of the faith (as distinct from the name and marks of a church), the First Amendment line appears to have been crossed”. US 7th Circuit Court of Appeals, Case No. 08-2306. Baha’i Faith vs other Bahai denominations. November 23, 2010
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1monkey1
Oct. 17, 2012 at 8:48amThe name kinda reminds me of the church of England.
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by faith
Oct. 17, 2012 at 9:02amMe Too
Roman Catholic Church
It is not possible to give an exact year when the Catholic Church began to be called the “Roman Catholic Church,” but it is possible to approximate it. The term originates as an insult created by Anglicans who wished to refer to themselves as Catholic. They thus coined the term “Roman Catholic” to distinguish those in union with Rome from themselves and to create a sense in which they could refer to themselves as Catholics (by attempting to deprive actual Catholics to the right to the term).
Even today many Protestants who have no idea what the origin of the term is cannot bring themselves to say “Catholic” without qualifying it or replacing it with an insult.
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Eastinfection
Oct. 17, 2012 at 9:10am“Even today many Protestants who have no idea what the origin of the term is cannot bring themselves to say “Catholic” without qualifying it or replacing it with an insult.”
You’re right about that. I spent quite a bit of time in Scotland and i lost count of the amount of times i was asked, “..Hey Yank… Are yea a cup (Catholic) or a plate (Protestant)?” by people looking to start trouble based on my answer.
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Walkabout
Oct. 17, 2012 at 1:05pmEastinfection
You’re right about that. I spent quite a bit of time in Scotland and i lost count of the amount of times i was asked, “..Hey Yank… Are yea a cup (Catholic) or a plate (Protestant)?” by people looking to start trouble based on my answer.
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That is interesting. Learned something. Pretty eff’n shallow. I have cups, plates in my family plus other relgions. We all get along. There is no percentage in it for an honest person by rolling a grenmade like that into a conversation.
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vaman
Oct. 17, 2012 at 8:46amJust like the countless millions of other Catholics that believe in gay marriage, use contraception, masturbate and get abortions…all very bad things according to the church. Not all people of faith follow blindly and are radical christians. In fact, the majority of people are not fundamentalists. Of course fanatical sects will tell you how just about everyone is going to hell but them.
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joboww
Oct. 17, 2012 at 12:46pmand you are Catholic… vegans for animal slaughter! Oh wait perhaps it all relative…
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sealgaire
Oct. 18, 2012 at 9:47amVaman, Yeah I see you guys on Christmas and Easter. I have to ask why do you consider yourself Catholic. Catholic is not a birthright. I was born Catholic therefore I am Catholic mentality is really confusing. They have Lutheran and Episcopalian (sp) Churches that share your beliefs and you don’t have to change a thing. If the Blessed Eucharist is what you claim holds you to Catholicism, there are Lutheran Churches that have moved closer to the Catholic belief of transubstantiation. The thought process that the Catholic Church needs to line up more with “my view of the world” is not going to work. Please move to a denomination that you would obviously be more comfortable. I don’t say this out of hate. You need to find a practice that shares YOUR beliefs.
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T-2
Oct. 17, 2012 at 8:46amI’m not gonna judge…bless their heart.
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SocialistSlayer
Oct. 17, 2012 at 8:42amThe real Catholic church should sue these morons and force them to quit calling themselves “Catholic” ! I would recomend they use a name like “1st Church of the Devil” or “Heathens R’ Us”
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johnjamison
Oct. 17, 2012 at 8:54amExactly, the church should force them to remove the Catholic from their title and make them file their own 502c tax exempt status as a new religion.
If they refuse the Catholic Church should sue them for 1 billion dollars.
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Eastinfection
Oct. 17, 2012 at 9:18amJOHN…
They are not sanctioned or endorsed by Rome, so they WILL have to file their own 502c tax exempt status as a new religion. The IRS will make them do it. The Vatican doesn’t have to pseudo-legitimize them by acknowledging them at all.
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Mapache
Oct. 17, 2012 at 9:47amAs long as this new Church does not claim it is in union with the Roman Catholic Church they should be left alone. God can handle things in His own good time and in His own way. Nothing to get our panties in a bunch about.
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Thatsenough
Nov. 9, 2012 at 12:26amHow about the American Patriot Church…they have one of them in China..;.
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nostromo
Oct. 17, 2012 at 8:41amThe only reason this story sees the light of day is because of the word Catholic. Everyone knows that these people are not Catholic regardless of what they call themselves. It is like me calling myself a vegetarian as I enjoy a steak dinner.
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Ronko
Oct. 17, 2012 at 8:40amPerverting the words of God is never a smart move.
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GREENDOG
Oct. 17, 2012 at 8:38amI actually like the idea of them starting their own “church.” Go away. What other “alternative lifestyle” are they willing to accept into their organization. Just how “open minded” will they be? What kinds of behavior will be accepted?
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NHwinter
Oct. 17, 2012 at 8:37amTake the word Catholic out of the name of your church. You are NOT Catholic.
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TheLeftMadeMeRight
Oct. 17, 2012 at 8:34amblasphemy
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Ronko
Oct. 17, 2012 at 8:39amPerfect word and I agree, it’s ridiculous.
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hepburn222
Oct. 17, 2012 at 8:32amIf you don’t agree with Catholic doctrine find a different faith. Calling yourself and your church Catholic doesn’t make it so. There are plenty of warm fuzzy churches ignoring the commandments for people to join without starting any new ones.
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TheMajority
Oct. 17, 2012 at 8:28amI knew the gay activists could always start their own Church in the USA to marry in, and did not have to pervert any other Church. The Catholic Church should sue them for using the name “Catholic”.
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Obama Snake Oil Co
Oct. 17, 2012 at 8:35amYou know, they should sue, however, all of us will stand before god one day and be accountable for our actions. I cannot imagine anyone, trying to justify how they used a sexual orientation to justify what Jesus made so clear to us, was a sin. There is only one catholic and apostolic church….they recognize the forgiveness of sin….there are no others.
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DeOppressoLiber
Oct. 17, 2012 at 8:27amPlease will all the communists in the Catholic Church go there
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Torimom
Oct. 17, 2012 at 8:51amAmen. Take my Bishop with you.
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joboww
Oct. 17, 2012 at 12:49pm@Tori, who is your Bishop? j/w, pray for him as he needs it more than most of us
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StormRider
Oct. 17, 2012 at 8:17amFour little words STHU! nobody cares what you say or do. Another useless group thinking with their crotch, how original.
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kgutman
Oct. 17, 2012 at 8:59amUnlike the Left where women think with their wombs, and their right to abort their babies.
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chiefsfan88
Oct. 17, 2012 at 9:09amStorm, you are correct even though I would have worded it differently. They are letting their lust of the flesh rule their minds and hearts. Still pray for them.
Romans 1:24-32
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in th
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Jenny Lind
Oct. 17, 2012 at 8:14amGood luck to them explaining to God when they die how they spit in the face of His commandments. Hope they enjoy their moments of lying to themselves that it’s all okey dokey. I just feel sorry for them.
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Wango
Oct. 17, 2012 at 10:43amOK, good, so you’re against capital punishment, right?
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Walkabout
Oct. 17, 2012 at 11:52amWANGO (definition from Urban Dictionary): b_tt muncher
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