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Tagg Romney Says He Wanted to ‘Take a Swing’ at Obama for Calling His Dad a Liar During Debate

Tagg Romney Says He Wanted to Take a Swing at Obama for Calling His Dad a Liar During Debate

Tagg Romney greets supporters. Photo credit: AP

Mitt Romney’s oldest son joked that he wanted to “take a swing” at President Barack Obama while watching the contentious presidential debate on Tuesday.

Tagg Romney made the comments during an interview with North Carolina radio host Bill LuMaye. He said that hearing Obama call his dad a liar made him want to “jump out of [his] seat and … rush down to the debate stage and take a swing at him.”

“But you know you can’t do that because, well first because there’s a lot of Secret Service between you and him,” he continued. “But also because this is the nature of the process, they’re going to do everything they can do to try to make my dad into someone he’s not. We signed up for it. We’ve gotta kinda sit there and take our punches and then send them right back the other way.”

Tagg also said his father gets “terrified” before debates, before quickly clarifying that Romney is “like anybody. He gets butterflies a little bit.”

To listen to the audio of the interview, click here.

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Comments (139)

  • conservocop
    Posted on October 18, 2012 at 12:05am

    Your father knew all these debates would be full of deceit and deceptions given the strong lean to the liberal – so called – moderators. But he never took a step backwords and has performed admirably. You should be proud of him, as all patriotic Americans are. America needs him to be the last man standing on Nov. 6th !!

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    • freedomnetworker
      Posted on October 18, 2012 at 12:24am

      I love how the liberals still get away with blaming bush for the Housing crisis and the major downturn we had in 2007. He, Bush, tried to get it under control several times. Here is the proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb03-UI3LC8&feature=share&list=UUoraMikfXRAM1iETaLFPEsQ

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    • encinom
      Posted on October 18, 2012 at 10:33am

      Tagg, YOUR FATHER IS A LIAR! Every word out of his mouth is a lie. And YOUR FATHER IS A COWARD, HE SUPPORTED THE SONS OF THE WORKING CLASS FIGHTING AND DYING IN VIETNAM WHILE HE WAS SAFE IN A PARIS MANSION TODAY.

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    • crazyrightwingmom
      Posted on October 18, 2012 at 11:28am

      encinom just keeps getting crazier and crazier….I think his brain is melting.

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    • Just_Us2
      Posted on October 18, 2012 at 2:23pm

      Encinom is going out of its mind….just practice this in the mirror, “President Romney” over and over and over again. Encinom prays to the father of lies…and his daddy doesn’t seem to be coming through for him right now…but why should he…he owns you already.

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    • swamp_donkey
      Posted on October 18, 2012 at 3:41pm

      romney is a liberal too , so whats your point?

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    • Bonnie
      Posted on October 18, 2012 at 5:02pm

      I need some advice from Mr. Romney regarding a question on Face Book from my nephew who is four years out of West Point, an Apache helicopter pilot heading for Afghanistan in early December for 9 months. He is newly married, a fine Christian man, smart as a whip and represents the best of us.
      His comment, “strange times when the achievers are the villains”. My prayers are for our country, our military troops, my fellow countryman, and future President Romney.

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    • encinom
      Posted on October 18, 2012 at 6:38pm

      @Bonnie a President Romney would be sending your Nephew to the mountains of Iran to fight on behalf of Israel.

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  • West Coast Patriot
    Posted on October 18, 2012 at 12:05am

    Tagg, Are you going to come and take a swing at me? I will say that your dad lied on the 2nd amendment question where he made it sound like he was all for it. But of course we know that is not true from what he said in the past: “Deadly Assault Weapons have no place in Massachusetts, these guns are not made for recreation or self defense. They are instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people. Massachusetts can lead the nation in protecting the public and law enforcement from military assault weapons.” – Mitt Romney July 1, 2004

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    • CMDR6
      Posted on October 18, 2012 at 9:35am

      WCP……are you stupid or just acting that way?? When are some of you crazies going to realize that there is a world of difference in governing in a liberal northeastern STATE vs governing in on a National basis as President. Both require CEO/Executive skills (which current Pres. lacks) but the GOVERNMENT is supposed to reflect the will of the people, not the personal desires and opinions of the leader. Hence Soon ToBe President Romney has stated the overview/vision and will then work with other leaders, in both parties, to hammer out the working details. Once that is done, then it is his job to LEAD the people on the plan…….so you cannot take something he said in 2004 and project it to today……apples and oranges…….he was LEADING his state at the time.

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    • West Coast Patriot
      Posted on October 18, 2012 at 12:06pm

      CMDR6, You are in REM sleep mode. He reiterated these same philosophies on assault weapons on Meet The Press while running for the Republican nomination in 2008. He said in that interview that he does not line up with the NRA, he would sign an assault weapons ban if sent to him by Congress and that he believes in strong background checks to ensure that the “crazies” do not get guns. Who and how do they decide who the crazies are? So do not tell me that he has miraculously changed, I do not buy it at all. You can be fooled, but I will not. Abraham Lincoln said: “You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.” If any candidate has to move their true positions to the left, right or center in order to gain your vote, they are lying to you. Stay blind, I will keep my eyes and mind wide open.

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  • blackyb
    Posted on October 18, 2012 at 12:04am

    Had Obama said it was a terrorist attack, the leftist propaganda machine would have been spouting it long before they even faintly mentioned it in comparison to the video lie.

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  • sheriff32
    Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:59pm

    Tagg woulda got knocked out! Nobody in the history of the world ever got beat up by a guy named tagg. Or mitt. What’s up with these names anyway?

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    • Joe_The_Patriot
      Posted on October 18, 2012 at 12:39am

      U wanna talk about a lousy name whats up with Barack Hussein Obama?? doesn’t sound much like a good old fashioned american name to me….

      Barry gotta glass jaw and would have been tagg’ed out.

      I know I’d like to wack a communist,marxist in the jaw a few hundred times

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    • spirited
      Posted on October 18, 2012 at 12:40am

      Barack?

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    • phil1765
      Posted on October 18, 2012 at 12:47am

      sheriff32
      How do you propose that the wimpy ass president would kick anyones ass? Would he hit them with his purse or maybe spray them with mace?

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    • DOra Glasberg
      Posted on October 18, 2012 at 3:13am

      If you like to fight so much Taggy, JOIN THE FREAKIN’ ARMY
      like the Bidens.

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    • Charleyhorse
      Posted on October 18, 2012 at 3:19am

      Umm, you have seen hussien try to throw a baseball right? Besides, you really couldn’t get close enough to land a shot on sotero with him hiding behind Hillary’s and Candys skirts.

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    • CarolinaGirl
      Posted on October 18, 2012 at 9:38am

      And you think barack hussein obama is “normal”?

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  • ronin_6
    Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:53pm

    So I was watching the debate. It was getting a little heated. I was thinking how cool it would be if Romney put Obama in a head lock and gave him a noogy. Course Obama would fight back, then the Secret Service would get involved. So would Romney’s secret service detail take on Obama’s detail and we would have a big rumble on national tv?

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    • sheriff32
      Posted on October 18, 2012 at 12:15am

      That actually would have been kinda cool. Cage fight for the presidency, we could put it on pay per view and put the money towards the deficit.

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    • kryptonite
      Posted on October 18, 2012 at 1:08am

      Romney would have to watch out for Crowley. That fatso would’ve jumped on his back and tried to scratch his eyes out, while Barack made funny little noises and tickled him.

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      kryptonite  
    • Mapache
      Posted on October 18, 2012 at 9:15am

      If it came down to cage fighting the Republicans would probably win most of the time, imagine:

      George W. Vs Al Gore
      George W. vs John Kerry
      McCain vs Obama (admittedly McCain has his limitations but a lot of attitude)
      Romney vs Obama

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  • right field
    Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:47pm

    This debate was a total sham – setup questions designed by White House and MSM to get Obama
    out of his lie about Libya. Go to Jean Macallister’s great discussion -
    2ND DEBATE: DID CROWLEY AND OBAMA SETUP REGARDING LIBYA QUESTION?
    http://www.teapartynation.com/forum/topic/show?id=3355873%3ATopic%3A2270056
    Same guy – Kerry Ladka (who was in on the setup) was on Greta Van Susteren tonight pushing his phony story that does not hold up under scrutiny of the video evidence – or Crowley’s explanation of
    how she got questions and researched them – Notice that Obama walks right to Ladka and speaks to him – “Hi Kerry” – even before Kerry had moved or identified himself in the audience. Obama then tries to cover up his mistake and fakes by looking around –
    There is obvious evidence of collusion between Obama, Crowley and this guy Kerry Ladka.

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    • rickc34
      Posted on October 18, 2012 at 12:49am

      Yes. It would seem that Obama had knowledge of the questions before the debate.

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    • jp2feminist
      Posted on October 18, 2012 at 3:32am

      I thought the same thing when I was watching Greta. Someone needs to check him out.

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    • jp2feminist
      Posted on October 18, 2012 at 3:41am

      Thanks for that link. Crowley has already been asked how she just happened to have the transcript with her. She said she came prepared because she had selected the questions. But how did OBAMA know she had the transcript? Hmmm…

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    • loribradnet@aol
      Posted on October 18, 2012 at 7:04am

      I would like to know how many other “O” speech transcripts Crowly happened to have handy. I agree with you that this was designed to create cover for him. That is why the MSM was so ecstatic. Crowly did for “O” what they nor his campaign could do. I still believe that Romney can use all of the available reporting and speech making on this event to highlight the truth.

      In the next debate I would like to see Romney ask the moderator if he is the referee or if he will be debating both the moderator and “O.” It is clear that the deck was stacked against him in Tuesday’s debate. I noticed that he did not cry about it like someone else did when Romney was correcting the record. Romney didn’t run to “mom” and tell her his brother was hitting him!

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  • COFemale
    Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:45pm

    Don’t worry Tagg, so did I , so did I. However, that would stoop to Obama’s level and I don’t want to be at the bottom of the cesspool with the rest of the Liberal turds.

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    • subic
      Posted on October 18, 2012 at 1:32am

      I would like to see what happened to Ambassador Chris Stevens, happen to Obama. he is definately a traitor.

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    • TSUNAMI_22
      Posted on October 18, 2012 at 2:59am

      @ subic

      I would like to see what happened to Ambassador Chris Stevens, happen to Obama. he is definately a traitor.
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      Add Hillary to that list. To see her criminal ass dragged down the street of some sh*thole nation by her **** would be a sight to behold and savor.

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on October 18, 2012 at 7:17am

      Subic, it has happened to Barry, but it was consensual.

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    • CMDR6
      Posted on October 18, 2012 at 9:40am

      If Hillary says she is responsible, then so be it, and the only thing she can do now is “fall on her sword”. Turn in your resignation you POS. That is the best thing that can happen.

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  • Exrepublisheep
    Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:33pm

    As a republican what tag really means is “I felt like forcing some poor kid to go up and punch Obama!.

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  • LeadNotFollow
    Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:28pm

    .
    There are two things I despise, that’s a liar and a thief.
    In my opinion, Barack Hussein (Barry Soetoro) Obama is both.
    The way I see it, if his mouth is moving, he’s lying.
    He has stolen from our future generations, our kids, our grandkids, our great-grandkids, by borrowing Trillions of dollars and wasting it.

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    LeadNotFollow  
    • honor007
      Posted on October 18, 2012 at 12:01am

      you nailed that one on the head.
      Thief and liars, the lowest form of life.

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  • blackyb
    Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:26pm

    So did Most of America want to throw a punch. This man in our White House does not belong there.

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  • Fla.Patriot
    Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:25pm

    Understandable feelings Tagg, but don’t worry about it. There’s a new catch phrase floating around in America and it’s gaining momentum. That phrase is “Mitt Slapped” It refers to what happens to Barry every time he is held up in comparison to your Dad. I can’t speak for the rest of America, but I have grown to Love the man. Not in a Cris Mathews/Barack Obama way, but in a healthy respectful way. As a Father myself, I can sense the caring and quiet competence that is in him as a man and as a leader and it is a rare commodity these days. There is nothing that any of us would like more than to act on those feelings of outrage, but know this..it would truly be an honor for me to meet your father and shake his hand. I would’nt walk across the street to meet Obama and would in fact cross the street to avoid it

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  • barber2
    Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:23pm

    Romney reminds me of what Elliot Ness must have felt when facing the Mob. Now Romney faces the New Far Left Democrat MEDIA political mob : specialists in Character Assassination since the media is in their pocket. Think of all of the conservatives they have thrashed since 2008. No more objective press. The New Left controls the media. Old Soros knew where to stuff his millions. ” He’s got the whole world in his hands.”

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    • Exrepublisheep
      Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:32pm

      Get your head out of the sand and re-watch the republican debates.

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    • BODYBAG
      Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:42pm

      @BARBER2
      Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:23pm
      Old Soros knew where to stuff his millions. ” He’s got the whole world in his hands.”
      ————————————————————————————-

      Yeah but you know what? There are still alot of people who cant be bought.
      Spooky Dude may be filthy rich and he may own most of the media, but
      he nor anyone else can buy an election.

      BODYBAG  
    • blackyb
      Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:59pm

      At least Nest had some law enforcement behind him.

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  • labman57
    Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:23pm

    Upbringing.
    Mitt appears to have instilled the same values and character in his kids that he exhibited when running Bain Capital — haughtily indignant when their claims are challenged and contemptuous of those with whom they disagree.

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    • chamara
      Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:48pm

      You have no concept of character. Governor Romney is showing himself to be an individual of sterling qualities. He has raised a family to be proud to. He is an example to all of us. It’s amazing to me that he is willing to put himself through this but I can understand why he is. You only have to look to his family. It is for them and by extension for all good people struggling to come to terms with a flawed and increasingly degenerate world (that is, one without morals or CHARACTER). I have become confident that he will do everything in his power to get American back on her fiscal feet because if that doesn’t happen, the future is bleak or worse and nothing else really matters. God bless him for coming forward and God bless his wonderful, loving family.

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on October 18, 2012 at 7:27am

      Well if that’s true, Obama’s girls are really going to be a mess when they grow up.

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  • demonot
    Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:23pm

    How did the President know Crowley just so happened to have the transcript of the White House speech? The President quickly shouted “read the transcript” If he knew about the transcript ahead of time is it far fetched to think he may have known the questions ahead of time. What a coincidence that the biggest zinger for a Obama was when Romney had no chance for a reply.

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    • go2gym
      Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:31pm

      @Demonot…………kinda like Obama zingered the SCOTUS at the SOTU address when they also couldn’t reply.

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    • kryptonite
      Posted on October 18, 2012 at 1:27am

      Yeah, Barack is a stupid liar.

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  • BODYBAG
    Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:18pm

    Romney and his sons remind me of Fred McMurray and My 3 Sons only
    Romney has 5. I make this comment as the highest possible compliment.
    A breath of fresh air after a LONG dark 4 year communist holocaust.

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    • BODYBAG
      Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:22pm

      I bet the next time Mitt sees Tagg he’ll wag his finger at him and grin.

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    • Magyar
      Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:26pm

      Boy you said it! I don’t think I’ve read a better description of the last four years!

      Well done!

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  • demonot
    Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:18pm

    How did the President know that Candy Crowley had the transcript of the White House speech? He quickly shouted “read the transcript” If he knew that is it far fetched to think that he may have known all the questions coming into the debate?

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    • Diane TX
      Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:32pm

      It could be, that both of them gave her information sheets. Anyway, the real question that needed to be asked, (and was by the audience member), is – who decided to withdraw American military security in August 2012?

      Also, Barry wasn’t referring to Benghazi when he spoke of terrorism, if he was, why did he and his entire administration, spend two weeks saying it was an impromptu riot in reaction to the “video”?

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  • LeadNotFollow
    Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:17pm

    .
    You could just see the heartache and concern on Ann Romney’s face, as she walked up to Mitt, right after the debate.
    She knew her husband had just fought a ninety minute round with the anti-Christ, and lived to fight another day.
    God bless Mitt and his family. They are good people, fighting the “good fight” for the Lord.

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    • kryptonite
      Posted on October 18, 2012 at 1:36am

      Oh pleaze. The Mahdi will be born in the ME. He will be “wise” unto his people and fully versed in the Qur’an; a man of war, highly skilled in battle, ruthless toward his enemies and utterly fearless. You are way off if you think the M-mads would ever respect or follow a dumb, lazy wuss like Barack.

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    • BrandiRae
      Posted on October 18, 2012 at 10:09am

      @kryptonite

      Oh, please…..
      The Antichrist will NOT be a Muslim.

      Daniel 11:37 states “neither shall he regard the gods of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard ANY god”.

      That would have to include Allah.

      According to Revelation 17:8, the Antichrist must have already lived prior to the first century A.D. There were no Muslims at the time. The Islamic religion did not even exist until the 7th century A.D. Period. Case closed.

      Obama can’t be the Antichrist because he was born in 1961.

      According to Revelation 17:8 the Antichrist “was” [he lived prior to the first century A.D.], IS NOT, and WILL ASCEND [COME UP] FROM THE BOTTOMLESS PIT”.

      The Antichrist, according to Daniel 7:8, 24 must come from the territories of the former Roman Empire [Daniel 7:8,24]. Obama was born in Hawaii. That automatically disqualifies him.
      Even if we use his father’s ancestry from Kenya. Kenya was never, repeat, NEVER part of the Roman Empire.

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    • kryptonite
      Posted on October 18, 2012 at 1:06pm

      I just read your comment. Gotta go now, but I’ll reply tonight.

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    • kryptonite
      Posted on October 19, 2012 at 9:50pm

      BRANDIRAE
      I’m sorry, I haven’t had time to write a thoughtful response. Let me know if you are still interested in debating this topic. :)

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  • Barry Soetoro
    Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:16pm

    Top 10 Worst Lies I Told in the 2nd Presidential Debate

    10. I told you I would cut taxes for middle-class families, and I did. I told you I’d cut taxes for small businesses, and I have.

    9. …He was asked, is it fair for somebody like you, making $20 million a year, to pay a lower tax rate than a nurse or a bus driver….And he said, “Yes, I think that’s fair.”

    8. He called the Arizona law a model for the nation.

    7. I want to make sure our timekeepers are working here.

    6. They rely on it for mammograms.

    5. You can ship jobs overseas and get tax breaks for it.

    4. And the production is up….What you’re saying is just not true.

    3. In what new ways do you intend to rectify the inequalities in the workplace, specifically regarding females making only 72 percent of what their male counterparts earn?

    2. “He wanted to take them into bankruptcy without providing them any way to stay open.” After I accused Romney of wanting American auto manufacturers to go bankrupt, Romney pointed out that I had, in fact, taken the auto companies through bankruptcy. My retort was to accuse Romney of wanting to take the companies bankrupt in order to put them out of business–a blatant lie.

    1. “He did call it an act of terror.” The worst untruth told by a moderator in presidential history.

    It’s good to be King!

    Source & details: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/17/Top-Ten-Lies-of-the-Second-Presidential-Debate

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    • soybomb315_II
      Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:25pm

      The worst lie was when Romney told Jeremy he would make sure he gets a job….

      I have seen Obama make similar statements in the past and get hammered by conservative media

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    • Wool-Free Vision
      Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:30pm

      Great post!

      P.S. I love your avatar and your gimmick. Post a lot more, please. TIA

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    • DOra Glasberg
      Posted on October 18, 2012 at 3:16am

      So where are the lies?

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  • soybomb315_II
    Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:15pm

    Obama and Romney were both lying through their teeth – but in an election cycle it is second nature to them

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    • MadAsHeII
      Posted on October 18, 2012 at 2:19am

      Soybomb315_ll, You are exactly right. Romney lied through his teeth on his position on the second amendment. This is what he said in the past: Mitt Romney: “Deadly Assault Weapons have no place in Massachusetts, these guns are not made for recreation or self defense. They are instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people. Massachusetts can lead the nation in protecting the public and law enforcement from military assault weapons.”

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  • woodyee
    Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:14pm

    Romney beat Gaybama and Crowley like a muslim beating his two wives.

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  • freedomisasfreedomdoes
    Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:09pm

    Tagg your father creamed the president and Crowley. He can handle himself quite well..very presidential

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  • hawkguy
    Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:07pm

    Good for you Tagg!! Every red blooded American Boy should stand up for his father’s good name. YOU ARE A GREAT AMERICAN!!

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  • Snowbaby
    Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:07pm

    When you can be comfortable and arrogant telling lies (like obama) you have lost your soul. When you still get butterflies telling the truth, you still have a heart.

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  • LeadNotFollow
    Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:07pm

    .
    Tagg, we all felt that way.

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    LeadNotFollow  
    • Fla.Patriot
      Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:48pm

      Make you a promise Tagg. If the oportunity ever presents itself, I’ll blast him a good one right in the lie machine. And as he’s laying there bleeding and scared, I’ll look down at him, smile, and say “Tagg, you’re it!”

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  • Snowbaby
    Posted on October 17, 2012 at 11:05pm

    When you get comfortable telling lies like obama did, that’s when you have lost your soul. Getting butterflies before a debate means you haven’t lost your humanity.

    Just saying….

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