
If you’re unfamiliar with Patheos.com, it’s a diverse faith portal that seeks to foster conversations about religion and its practice in contemporary society. With a pool of diverse bloggers and columnists contributing to the site, a plethora of religious traditions are represented. Over the next few weeks, TheBlaze will be bringing you diverse political opinion, through a faith lens, from Patheos’ writers.
Each week, a question about faith and politics will be thrown out and the bloggers will attempt to answer the call, delving into the issue and providing their personal perspective. The first question — “What’s wrong — and what’s right — with the role of faith in American politics today?” — yielded some fascinating responses, especially when considering the differences between more right-leaning and progressive writers.
Below, find some of their views on the intermingling of faith and politics:
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To commence this week’s faith perspective, Patheos’ Timothy Dalrymple penned a piece entitled, “Why We Need More Religion in Politics, Not Less.” From the title, alone, you can tell the ideals presented within are focused upon increasing the presence of faith in the political schema — but his arguments may be a bit more profound than you might imagine based on the headline. Dalrymple writes:
We require a religion in politics that is not reflexively partisan (and now that problem is just as acute amongst progressive Christians on the Left as it ever was amongst conservative Christians on the Right). We require more thoughtful ways of bringing the fullness of who we are, religious vision included, into the political arena. We require the kind of faith in politics that will hold us accountable to be humble and honest and searching and serving, that will hold the state accountable to use the power of the sword and the power of the public purse wisely and justly, and that will hold the church accountable to speak with a greater regard for the truth than for political power.
So, while Dalrymple is supportive of more faith — and not less — in the American political system, his contention is that the values that religion espouses would help to benefit both the system and those within it.
Then there’s blogger and pastor Christian Piatt, who takes a different direction when faced with the same question. The faith leader decries any religion that allies itself with a specific political ideology. In a post titled, “Where Does Faith Fit in Today’s Politics?,” he highlights his disdain for faith being used as a tool for consolidating political power He writes:
When such alliances are formed, compromises inevitably follow that forsake values for the lure of victory. If we can take anything away from Jesus’ ministry, the fact that he stood in the face of such allegiances is clear, challenging their oppressive breadth at the expense of the Gospel call to align with the powerless and marginalized.

President Barack Obama (Photo Credit: AFP/Getty Images)
As for Jeremy Lott, founder of Real Clear Religion, the main concern on the table is the intricate role that faith plays in the support for and against candidates. Lott argues in his post, “Divided We Stand! Wait, What?,” that America’s political parties have re-sorted themselves to represent one political arm that pushes hard for faith and religion to have a presence in public life and another that opposes such a notion (i.e. Republicans versus Democrats).
“The big difference is that the United States has never had nor wanted an established church,” Lott writes. “And so our political parties are slowly re-sorting themselves along broader lines of the party that’s for a serious and robust role for religion in American life and one that is coming to oppose such a role.”
Lott continues, highlighting a “dark reality” that purportedly exists in American politics:
You can applaud Barack Obama for insisting his party’s platform take some notice of the historically God-fearing character of America. You can applaud Mitt Romney for betting that anti-Mormon prejudice would not be so virulent as to deny him his party’s nomination, and his party’s primary voters for proving him right. But if you are a sober-headed observer of American politics, you dare not lose sight of the darker reality these things signal as well.
Then, in her post, “The Generic God of the Stump Speech,” Leah Libresco (you may remember TheBlaze’s interview with the blogger about her conversion from atheism to Catholicism) tackled the insertion of “God” back into the Democratic Party platform. On a grander scale, she challenged people on both sides of the aisle to focus more on people — and politicians — showing their devotion to God rather than merely proclaiming it. She wrote:
When politicians tell us they love God, we should take it about as seriously as we do when they tell us they love America, or freedom. Remind them that love is something you do, not something you feel, and ask them to be specific about what service they offer their beloved.
You’ll have to read the entire post to find out her feelings about the inevitable decision to include “God” again in the platform (i.e. she wasn’t pleased).

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As for feminist blogger and professor Caryn Riswold, she wrote about her disdain for a small group of religious leaders fighting fervently, in her view, to protect only their own interests. Her main target in the post? The Catholic Church.
Riswold, who writes for Patheos on her “Feminismxianity” blog, heralded more left-leaning forms of the Christian tradition, writing, “Progressive people of faith are dispelling the idea that religion is monolithic, and working to protect the right of people of all faiths and no faith to exercise their conscience.”
Riswold also offers insight about her views in the Catholic Church’s fight against the Obama administration’s contraceptive mandate:
Consider the scores of Christians, including Catholics, whose religious traditions preserve the freedom of women and men to exercise moral discernment and conscience as they form and protect their families. This is actually what is under siege from attacks by the bishops working to undermine contraceptive coverage and women’s health.
In contrast to Riswold, Oklahoma House of Representatives member Rebecca Hamilton‘s post entitled, “Politics, Religion and Lilies That Fester” tackled the Catholic Church from a different angle. In fact, Hamilton praised the church as the only remaining respected religious institution (at least among political leaders). The politician also called it “the only effective moral and prophetic voice left in this country,” writing:
The only church that the politicians I know still respect at all is the Catholic Church. I think there are two reasons for this. First, the Catholic Church is big. It represents millions of votes. Second, neither party has succeeded in getting the Church to edit the Gospels to suit their politics. The Catholic Church still calls both parties to task when they violate the teachings of Christ. [...]
The two political parties want slightly different things from the Church. The Republicans want control of the Church’s moral voice so that they can use that voice to win elections. The Democrats, who have given up on using the Church’s moral voice, want to silence the Church, and, as much as possible, strip it of all its ministries.
And defense of the Catholic Church’s involvement in the political schema didn’t end there. John Mark Reynolds, provost of Houston Baptist University, in his article, “Caesar is Not Lord,” also made a case against the government’s contraceptive mandate.
The “small-government conservative” indicated that he believes that Romney is preserving religious liberty, while the Obama camp has remained unbending on the issue. Reynolds writes:
This mandate goes too far and the Obama administration has refused real compromise. All Christians favor universal health-care, but most American Christians fear government providing too much of this health-care because of the numerous moral decisions that will be involved.
Mr. Romney wants to increase coverage, but not at the cost of religious liberty. For this reason, this election has gained great importance for those of us who value conscience before Caesar’s mandates and for those who value tolerance.
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So, there you have it. While their personal theological views and political ideals differ, the theories presented are intriguing, to say the least. For additional blogs and articles on this subject, visit the Patheos page focusing on the intersection of faith and politics.





















































































































judyaz
Oct. 22, 2012 at 2:02amWhat’s good and bad? Hmmm…Sharia law is bad.
“One nation under God” is good. So is, “In God we trust.” The Amendment assuring freedom of religion is good too.
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Pigpen
Oct. 21, 2012 at 4:42pmConservatives have been losing ground because THAT is the very essence of the conservative strategy: to lose ground. The very definition of a “conservative” is someone who wishes to make social and political changes at a slower rate than the progressive who wishes to change everything now. Anyone who is opposed to change at all, even if they wish to preserve just ONE little aspect of culture, society, or law, is immediately labelled INTOLERANT and in the recent past that label of intolerant nullified that person’s or party’s opinions and wholly incapacitated that person’s or party’s ability to act politically. So if you VALUE your religious beliefs, and you are wholly committed to the “conservative” political strategy, then I would humbly suggest staying the H3LL away from these “happy-helpful-let’s-just-talk-about-it” types of gatherings. Because the AGENDA is always the same: CHANGE!
Religion is the great stumbling block of the progressives. Why? Because so many are more willing to DIE than to recant their religious beliefs, well at least their core beliefs. That is why of all the bourgeois institutions, the Lefties HATED RELIGION the most!
SORRY HIPPIES! I and my family will forever say, “Nuke the Whales for Jesus!”
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voting-for-romney
Oct. 21, 2012 at 4:06pmThere is a clear role for faith in politics, which, like it or not, involves protecting the Christian heritage of those that founded the nation? For example, recently, a politician in California decided that “conversion centers” for minors was “quackery” and said they are now outlawed? Excuse me?
Do minors have the legal authority to marry, etc? So what business is it of the state to call my beliefs as a parent “quackery” regarding educating my children that they would be happier not pursuing a gay life style? Why can I not pay and seek the help of religious organizations that say the definition of marriage is protected by the 1st amendment, and is a civil right?
Once the child is grown and is an adult, that is their freedom of choice, but how can the state expect parents to raise their children as solid members of society, when the state has a bunch of political cheerleaders saying, you don’t have to listen to your parents, besides, we like the way you wear your blue jeans?
By the way, here is some free birth control, so you can have all the sex you want, and if you are lucky, we might even post that sex on the internet so that if you ever think about becoming a politician, we have all we need to make sure you see eye to eye with us? Do you call that “quackery”, or just wrong?
If children become a front line in politics, against a back drop of budget problems and high school drop out rates, this is unacceptable?
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Solidspine
Oct. 21, 2012 at 11:26amThe United States is at war with Muslims in Afghanistan and everywhere else in the world, Muslims should not be allowed in this country, the US, until the war is won.
The Muslims that are here should be (at their expense) incarcerated, like the Japanese during World War Two,
The Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798 states these dangerous people to be deported.
Of course that would include Obama, since he is also a muslim,
Since we don’t know which muslim wants to kill us, and they all say they are moderate we must do what we did during World War Two, they have lied and killed too many times will continue to lie and kill Americans.
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drandall
Oct. 21, 2012 at 3:21pmSome of the finest people around are Muslims and why would you want to INCARCERATE THEM?
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ldaopines
Oct. 21, 2012 at 4:20amGovernment must be bigger and more repressive if there are no religious values to keep the population in check. We are headed there. The reason we became the #1 superpower were our common bonds, including Judeo-Christian values. We continue to flood our country with unassimilated masses who retain their former cultural beliefs, values, and allegiances while living in their segregated pockets. Our foundation and bonds are crumbling. We are being “nudged” into ONE WORLD governance without borders or assimilation. Religion gets in the way of secularist Progressivism.
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An_American_Thinker
Oct. 20, 2012 at 10:53pmGAC1218: You raised such great, thought-provoking questions! I have attempted many a response, each one falling to the power of my backspace key. As we get closer to the tipping point you referred to, legislation seems to be driven more and more by opinions held by persons with belief systems that do not include or rely on God: service-to-self, marxism, atheism, scientific theorem, etc. The result has been a continual assault on American liberty. As Benjamin Franklin so famously said: “Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” I would draw the line at not giving up any more liberty. I would rather take the risk of flying, than put up with another day of someone “patting me down” and being scanned. Run my bags though a scanner if you want, but don’t rifle through my suitcase and don’t touch me! The “Occupy” Protesters have every right to protest. They do NOT have any right to block others’ access to work or to damage private or public property. Anyone caught doing so should be arrested as the law applies. Draw the line! The Patriot Act? Draw the line. No more loss of liberty. So what do we do? Whatever you can to touch people’s hearts I guess. I just bought the 1599 Geneva Bible Patriot’s Edition, and I am so blown away by this book, it’s content is even better than it looked online! I’m giving it for Christmas! Best to you.
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hades3
Oct. 20, 2012 at 7:04pmObama is critical of anyone who says anything negative against Islam by condemning them, at the same time he attacks Christians and Christian organizations by demanding they violate their own faith and beliefs by requiring them too provide contraception too their employees.
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An_American_Thinker
Oct. 21, 2012 at 12:10pmThis has been an incredibly thought-provoking article! My brain muscle thanks TheBlaze!
The last sentence of the Declaration of Independence is: “And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.”
Therefore, a simple answer to “Should Faith & Politics Mix?” is “Yes.” From our faith driven founding, faith and politics are inherently entwined. We were founded with reverence to God and based upon Judeo-Christian principles. (The first five books of the Bible essentially form the Torah.)
Our founding fathers were so brilliant; they recognized the danger to this country if someone with questionnable loyalties were elected to the Presidency, and required any future President to be a “natural born citizen” to ensure loyalty to this nation.
So here we are today, with a President who has other than America’s best interests at heart. How do we know this? Lot’s of things, but keeping this short, the ring that has been exposed for what it is, and what it means. Obama is a man of faith, but it is not a Judeo-Christian faith. In an interview for the book, “The Amateur,” Rev. Wright recalled a conversation he had with Obama. Obama told Wright that he (Wright) had a problem that he (Obama) didn’t have. When asked what that was, Obama replied, “You have to tell the truth.”
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An_American_Thinker
Oct. 21, 2012 at 12:18pm(Expanding that thought, there is a great explanation of the Muslim faith’s authority to lie here: http://www.muslimfact.com/bm/terror-in-the-name-of-islam/islam-permits-lying-to-deceive-unbelievers-and-bri.shtml)
Reverend Wright also revealed during that interview, that Obama’s Christian counseling did not result in a conversion, but a comfort level with Christianity. So explains Obama’s un-Christian “collective salvation” proclamation.
So what kind of faith our politicians practice is a valid consideration. Judeo-Christian principles and Islam are not compatible.
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eyeonu
Oct. 20, 2012 at 3:14pmThis country was founded on biblical principles that were interwoven in our constitution for our good. Somewhere along the way these principles were lost and our nation became a leader in pornography, abortion, gay marrage etc. 2 years before 9/11 a warning was given that if we did not repent and turn God was going to remove His protection and leave us to the choices we made. Well we didn’t repent, 9/11 happened, leading to the present time and our nation on the verge of destruction..The Good news is, it’s not to late and we the people who love God can get on our faces before the Throne and repent for our nation. If 1 can put a thousand to flight and 2 ten thousand to flight, what do you think thousands can do? I say therefore repent, turn around and God will again make His face to shine upon us…
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God_Is_Not
Oct. 20, 2012 at 5:17pmChristians need to stop consuming so much porn.
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colt1860
Oct. 20, 2012 at 6:36pmBut it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee: Cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shalt thou be in the field. Cursed shall be thy basket and thy store. Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep. Cursed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and cursed shalt thou be when thou goest out. The Lord shall send upon thee cursing, vexation, and rebuke, in all that thou settest thine hand unto for to do, until thou be destroyed, and until thou perish quickly; because of the wickedness of thy doings, whereby thou hast forsaken me… The Lord shall smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish. And thy heaven that is over thy head shall be brass, and the earth that is under thee shall be iron. The Lord shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them: and shalt be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth. And thy carcase shall be meat unto all fowls of the air, and unto the beasts of the earth, and no man shall fray them away… Deuteronomy 28
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An_American_Thinker
Oct. 20, 2012 at 10:59pmTo: God_Is_Not: When that day comes, I think you’re going to be in for a big surprise! Seriously.
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An_American_Thinker
Oct. 20, 2012 at 11:04pmPut on the full Armor of God, (Ephes 6:10-18), for ourselves and the nation.
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FesteAinoriba
Oct. 20, 2012 at 1:11pmEgalitarianism IS the state religion, the government is actively interfering with our moral and legal rights to disposition our time, energy, talents in accordance with our own individual conscience and forcing us to support and sustain broken philosophies, corrupt cultural practices, irresponsible behavior.
This isn’t charity – true charity enobles the giver and receiver by lovingly guiding the recipient into principles and beliefs that produce the fruits of prosperity. Both the giver and receiver are ennobled by an act of love received in gratitude and deference.
The government, thru compulsion, destroys charity, replaced gratitude with a sense of entitlement, reinforces bad behavior, de-incentivizes virtuous living, and promotes poverty. The government has no legitimate authority for social engineering, social programs, and means-tested benefits – the moment it ventured into this moral terrain, it breeched the separation of church and state and became, instead of the legitimate role of protector of liberty, an enemy of liberty: trampling the Constitution and undermining civilization.
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FesteAinoriba
Oct. 20, 2012 at 1:17pmYes, I have an obligation to lift my fellowman, but this is a moral obligation derived from my obligations to God. It is not, nor ever should it be a legal obligation imposed by the state by enshrining egalitarian moral philosophy in law. It is very clear under the most rudimentary rational and objective analysis that such violates the so-called separation of church and state clause in the first amendment.
The repugnant idea held by some that liberty is the right to compel others to share the fruits of their virtue with those who refuse to follow virtue’s path is the very spirit of slavery and the essential philosophy of criminal behavior. This is the wellspring at the heart of the modern “progressive” movement that has consumed the democratic party like a cancer. Socialism is a criminal philosophy and those who espouse it are wittingly or witlessly members of a criminal enterprise.
Wake up America, it is almost too late: See through the sophistry and seductive lies of those who tell you that you are entitled to share the fruits of virtue without walking in virtue’s paths. Shed these grinning impish agents of slavery like the vile unAmerican, Anti-Constitution, Anti-Theist, thieving socialist criminals that they are.
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colt1860
Oct. 19, 2012 at 10:52pmBestiat said it best:
We hold from God the gift which includes all others. This gift is life — physical, intellectual, and moral life.
But life cannot maintain itself alone. The Creator of life has entrusted us with the responsibility of preserving, developing, and perfecting it. In order that we may accomplish this, He has provided us with a collection of marvelous faculties. And He has put us in the midst of a variety of natural resources. By the application of our faculties to these natural resources we convert them into products, and use them. This process is necessary in order that life may run its appointed course.
Life, faculties, production — in other words, individuality, liberty, property — this is man. And in spite of the cunning of artful political leaders, these three gifts from God precede all human legislation, and are superior to it. Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.
What, then, is law? It is the collective organization of the individual right to lawful defense.
Each of us has a natural right — from God — to defend his person, his liberty, and his property.
– He also said:
The Socialists Wish to Play God… If we are free, does it follow that we shall no longer recognize the power and goodness of God?
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colt1860
Oct. 19, 2012 at 11:09pm*The Law, by Frederic Bastiat – http://bastiat.org/en/the_law.html
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theotherberean
Oct. 19, 2012 at 8:38pmUnfortunately some people of all faiths and religions allow their belief in God to lead them to fanaticism. You can’t avoid that. But that is no reason to find fault with a belief in God itself. There is a sense in all of us that there is something or someone greater than us.
People who claim to believe in God, answer to someone (or something) that stands for and represents a higher standard of moral and ethical values than any man may espouse to. The alternative to that is for men to enslave others with their own morals, values and ethics, which are flawed by our desire to sin.
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ModerationIsBest
Oct. 21, 2012 at 12:22amYou appeal to worshiping a human sacrifice?
And you think that’s moral?
I can tell you that I espouse to more moral teachings then accepting a human sacrifice on my behalf for a disease that has yet to be proven.
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theotherberean
Oct. 21, 2012 at 4:39pmSay what? LoL Isn’t it a little early to start drinking?
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ArmedAndReallyPissed
Oct. 19, 2012 at 8:26pmSubject: Jon Voight Probably Just Ended His Movie Career
As Clint Eastwood stated, not all actors in Hollywood are Democrats.
This is very powerful.
A must see for all realistic and logical Americans. I’m sending this to you, who I feel is one.
and this is Angelina Jolie’s father…….
looks like the apple may HAVE fallen far, and rolled!
CLICK AND WATCH THE SHORT VIDEO…this took real guts by Voight…
http://www.staged.com/video?v=x4u
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THIS IS A MUST SEE SHORT VIDEO. WELL WORTH YOUR TIME. PLEASE COPY AND PASTE THE ABOVE LINK AND SHARE WITH EVERYONE YOU CAN.
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colt1860
Oct. 19, 2012 at 11:11pmReally good message there! You must see it folks, and please, share it to your friends!
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acovenantinblood
Oct. 19, 2012 at 8:16pmThe lure of socialism, by making a moral issue of the state taking care of people is a form of religion. Either way, left or right, people have made the state god. Whether it’s role is to redistribute wealth as a “moral” obligation or defining marriage between man and woman as a “moral” obligation. It is not the federal governments job to legislate morality. Our Founding Fathers were Christians who built the Constitution upon biblical principle however it is not a “Christian” document. Over and over they showed how the people must remain moral through religion. Franklin even said in his autobiography that the pulpit built to be available for George Whitefield would be open to the Grand Mufti to preach Mahomeddism. What we have in America is the failure of Christianity. however much we think that we are practicing it properly, the fruits that we are bearing are a testament against us. That is why, until we fix our pulpits and churches, our culture will deteriorate further and further. Christian morality will be replaced with another and the state will legislate it. Christians it’s time to “Search and try our ways and turn again unto the LORD. (Lam 3:40). No longer must we think that what we do is His ways for this judgment coming upon us is proof of our failures.
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bluecenterlight40
Oct. 20, 2012 at 11:11amI totally agree. We, as Christians, have no one to blame for the state of this country but ourselves. When we should have been Jesus to a broken world all around us, we have become materialistic, self absorbed, and sold our soul to politicians. The first century church shook the world, they didn’t get to vote. They got off their **** and lived out what they said they believed. If this country is going to change it starts with us living out what we believe, not us going around trying to make others live according to what we believe. The church collectively has a pretty big log in it’s eye.
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pastordo
Oct. 21, 2012 at 5:57pmI believe that there is something else we as Christians should do, and perhaps before anything else. We should fall on our faces asking forgiveness from our LORD that we have failed to live our faith up until now and repent, resolving to do all God would have us do in our lives to better serve and represent Him.
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The Third Archon
Oct. 19, 2012 at 7:46pm“So, while Dalrymple is supportive of more faith — and not less — in the American political system, his contention is that the values that religion espouses would help to benefit both the system and those within it.”
Yeah, here’s the problem with that–you can have values, without assigning those values to things you don’t have any reason to believe exist, but rather physical objective things. And the problem is that when you DON’T do this exclusively, but allow yourself to assign value to unsubstantiated metaphysical entities purported to exist on bald assertion, you open the floodgates to a logical justification of ANY action as rational and moral, and completely destroyed the utility to morality of the only methodology we have of ascertaining TRUTH (logical reasoning). You can justify ANY proposition logically if you just allow yourself as many assumptions as you deem appropriate and necessary, and ignore bothering with ANY methodology to validate the SOUNDNESS of those assumptions. Likewise, you can justify ANY action as “moral” if you have a little imagination to conceive of the appropriate metaphysical context, and the credulity to take on faith alone the existence of this metaphysical speculation you’ve imagined.
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theotherberean
Oct. 19, 2012 at 8:13pmIt’s not just a bald assertion.
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gac1218
Oct. 20, 2012 at 8:29amThat’s why God had it written down. So what is moral and what is not is never in question. So in order to get what we want we discard truth in favor of desire.
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The Third Archon
Oct. 19, 2012 at 7:36pm“WHAT’S GOOD (& BAD) ABOUT THE MIXTURE OF FAITH & POLITICS IN AMERICA? CONSERVATIVE & LIBERAL FAITH LEADERS FACE-OFF”
I love how “& bad” is in parentheses, as if “the mixture of faith & politics in America” (really, in ANY country), is USUALLY a good thing, as opposed to the reality in which it is ALWAYS a bad thing, or at BEST an irrelevant time-waste that is neither harmful or helpful, but it NEVER provides anything to politics that COULDN’T be had at LEAST as good, often better, from a rational irreligious decisionmaking calculus–and often, the commingling of “faith” and politics ends in murder.
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theotherberean
Oct. 19, 2012 at 8:15pmWe can see where our society has gone since prayer was taken out of the schools.
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antitheist
Oct. 19, 2012 at 10:14pmWe can also see where our society has gone since Manson was locked up.
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theotherberean
Oct. 21, 2012 at 4:41pmWhere is that, and what does Manson have to do with it?
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pdumar
Oct. 19, 2012 at 5:38pmPoliticians privately practicing their faith is admirable. Politicians exploiting their faith to influence other people of faith to vote for them is not. Frederic Bastiat said it best – the role of the law is to protect the life, liberty, and property of the individual. I no more want to legislate my Christian beliefs on others than I want a Muslim legislating his or her religious beliefs on me. I morally disagree with a prostitute but I don’t want to establish laws throwing prostitutes in prison for Christ taught me that “he who is without sin cast the first stone”. I always wonder if we as people of faith today are truly acting in accordance with the first Century Christians or if we are acting more in accordance with the Pharisees obsessed with laws and the traditions of men which Christ himself condemned.
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acidovorax
Oct. 19, 2012 at 5:48pmPDUMAR, agreed. Bastiat eloquently explained that the problem with politics was its expansion into all sectors of life. At such a point, everything becomes a political struggle.
Politics should be constrained to very limited functions, allowing personal beliefs to govern one’s private life instead of using them to impose legislation on everyone.
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theotherberean
Oct. 19, 2012 at 8:16pmWe are acting like Pharisees. No doubt.
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colt1860
Oct. 19, 2012 at 10:51pmBastiat also said:
We hold from God the gift which includes all others. This gift is life — physical, intellectual, and moral life.
But life cannot maintain itself alone. The Creator of life has entrusted us with the responsibility of preserving, developing, and perfecting it. In order that we may accomplish this, He has provided us with a collection of marvelous faculties. And He has put us in the midst of a variety of natural resources. By the application of our faculties to these natural resources we convert them into products, and use them. This process is necessary in order that life may run its appointed course.
Life, faculties, production — in other words, individuality, liberty, property — this is man. And in spite of the cunning of artful political leaders, these three gifts from God precede all human legislation, and are superior to it. Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.
What, then, is law? It is the collective organization of the individual right to lawful defense.
Each of us has a natural right — from God — to defend his person, his liberty, and his property.
– He also said:
The Socialists Wish to Play God… If we are free, does it follow that we shall no longer recognize the power and goodness of God?
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Dscriptboy
Oct. 19, 2012 at 4:15pmWow. If only the average Wall Street Occupier understood this simple truth.
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mcsledge
Oct. 19, 2012 at 3:40pmKeep in mind, without the US Constitution, our government would invade our freedoms (i.e., religion, speech, assembly, bear arms, own property, etc.). And, it was John Adams who made it clear that the Constitution is wholly inadequate to govern a people that are not moral and religious.
So what is necessary when the citizenry is godless and ammoral (very much evidenced in today’s society)? It is obvious that said freedoms must be limited if not denied.
The godless and ammoral would have you believe that they are entitled to the freedoms promised in the US Constitution without accepting the implied requirements that come with said Constitution.
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Semper4everSemper
Oct. 19, 2012 at 3:54pmYou’ve said it perfectly. I give us 20 years more as the country we’ve recognized most of my 60 years. I fear my grandson may live as an impoverished ‘world citizen’. It must turn around immediately or we’re sunk. Romney/Ryan ’12
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justangry
Oct. 19, 2012 at 4:11pmSigh, Do you not understand both “god fearing” parties are destroying the Constitution on a daily basis. Gone in the past decade, your right to due process, your right to a speedy trial to be judged by your peers, your right to not incriminate yourself, your right to peacefully assemble, your right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures, your right to self-determination at the state and local level in violation of the 10th amendment? I suppose you can take solace that they haven’t started quartering troops in your home yet, of course with eminent domain it’s possible. Give me a break the GOP hates the Constitution too.
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acidovorax
Oct. 19, 2012 at 5:44pmMCSLEDGE wrote: “Keep in mind, without the US Constitution, our government would invade our freedoms (i.e., religion, speech, assembly, bear arms, own property, etc.). And, it was John Adams who made it clear that the Constitution is wholly inadequate to govern a people that are not moral and religious.”
You mean the same John Adams who signed the Sedition Acts that incarcerated people for speaking out against the government? The Constitution ATTEMPTS to limit government, but history and the present shows us that elected officials easily sidestep it when they so desire.
“So what is necessary when the citizenry is godless and ammoral (very much evidenced in today’s society)? It is obvious that said freedoms must be limited if not denied.”
This makes no sense. If society is “godless” their freedoms “must be limited if not denied”? By what reasoning?
“The godless and ammoral would have you believe that they are entitled to the freedoms promised in the US Constitution without accepting the implied requirements that come with said Constitution.”
Such as?
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An_American_Thinker
Oct. 19, 2012 at 6:30pm“JustAngry” validated your comment and John Adam’s point exactly. A moral and religious society would never have allowed, nor brought legislation, that limit the freedoms our US Constitution and Bill of Rights provide.
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gac1218
Oct. 19, 2012 at 6:36pmAgreed. The deception is that God’s word limits our freedoms when if fact the opposite is true. God’s word frees us from the trivialities, the pettiness in life and us being slaves to sin in our lives. It’s like someone saying I hate milkshakes, without ever truly drinking one. God’s word and love apllied in our life is completely freeing, and to say otherwize is just deception. People are fighting for their pain and don’t even know it.
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An_American_Thinker
Oct. 19, 2012 at 7:15pmTo Acidovorax: A moral or religious society respects other’s opinions. And if there is disagreement, they defend the each others’ right to disagree. A moral or religious society recognizes that rights come with responsibilities and, out of respect, carry them out without having to have them legislated. In today’s society, those who do not have a moral foundation (from whatever source) have no problem with stepping on other’s rights, some with impudence, to exercise their own. Obviously, not all people who proclaim to be persons of faith live it as they should. What is most disturbing to me is the rancor that is rampant in today’s public discourse; people are so quick to attack rather than listen to one another. As a teenager, with a union strike occurring in our small town, our pastor used scripture to sooth sentiments on Sunday morning, and its impact has stayed with me ever since: You cannot remove the speck from your brother’s eye, until you first remove the plank from your own. Such teaching forms the foundation of a moral society. We heard Obama call Romney a “liar” in the debate the other night. That word denotes purposely stating an untruth with foreknowledge that it is untrue; that is an insult. To respond, “that’s untrue,” does not denote a statement was made with purposeful knowledge that it was not true; the information source could have been in error. There is a difference. A polite society is a moral society. An impolite society is an immor
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PilgrimStuckInBizarroWorld
Oct. 19, 2012 at 7:34pmAmerican thinker: My thoughts exactly. Thanks!
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gac1218
Oct. 19, 2012 at 9:43pmAmerican thinker
How about if the if the others opinions infringe on your safety and security? Where do you draw the line? Opinions are often subjective and not objective and are not to be trusted. We legislate morality now. Certain types of sex is against the law, certain types of gambling is against the law, murder, rape, stealing, etc. They are all moral issues. As the society turns away from God so do the amount of morality laws. You can’t legislate what the people won’t stand for, good or bad. We will reach a tipping point or as I like to refer to it, “a reset is coming”, and it won’t be fun.
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