[Editor’s note: The following is a cross post that originally appeared on CNBC.com]:
As the deadline for fiscal peril in the U.S. nears, Wall Street is worried that the impact could be much worse than anyone thought—while investors remain nearly oblivious to the danger.
Looming tax increases and spending cuts — which Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke has labeled the “fiscal cliff” — would send the economy into a deeper recession than many have predicted, according to economists at Bank of America Merrill Lynch.
At the same time, fund managers the firm surveyed believe investors are far too optimistic that warring Washington factions can get together to take the steps necessary to prevent the economy from going over the cliff—at least temporarily.
Some 72 percent of respondents believe investors have yet to price in the ramifications—a view that is spreading across Wall Street as time winds down for a solution.
“The fiscal cliff impacts the economy both by creating uncertainty and by imposing austerity,” Ethan Harris, BofA’s North American economist, said in a report. “If we go over the cliff for an extended period of time, a recession is likely.”
He later added, “One reason we remain cautious on equities for the next few months is the likelihood for heightened volatility and the potential for a near-term correction amid the risks posed by the US presidential election and the fiscal cliff.”
The election between President Barack Obama and Republican challenger Mitt Romney is frequently cited as a market risk, but the fiscal cliff has been less emphasized.
The cliff entails spending on unemployment benefits, a payroll tax and the Bush-era tax cuts that, if left to expire, would slice already-weak U.S. growth even further.
As far as stock market performance BofA is fairly optimistic, with a 1,450 price target on the Standard & Poor’s 500 through year’s end and a 1,600 target for 2013.
But the firm said that if a political stalemate takes hold, the broad stock market gauge could tumble all the way to 1,000 in the near term and could slide to 1,250 if even a short-term impasse would develop.
The CBO now projects the economy to contract 1.3 percent in the first half before growing 2.3 percent in the second half, after the cliff issues dissipate.
Normally bullish JPMorgan recently cut back its estimates for growth, primarily based on its belief that if nothing else the payroll tax holiday — agreed to in 2010 and frequently touted by Obama as a middle-class tax cut — is unlikely to survive the congressional battles.
The firm now projects gross domestic product to grow just 2.0 percent in the fourth quarter then fall to 1.0, 1.5 and 2.5 percent in the ensuing quarters. Fallout from the cliff impasse will cut 1 percentage point from growth, according to JPMorgan economist Michael Feroli.
“We are no longer of the belief that the payroll tax holiday will be extended,” Feroli said. “That change alone is worth over half a percent on GDP growth next year.”
Feroli calls the Bush tax cuts “the big kahuna in the fiscal cliff considerations” and anticipates they will be extended, though the top tier cut could go away with an Obama victory. He also figures the extended unemployment benefits, at 99 weeks for the 12 million the Labor Department counts as jobless, will be continued “albeit with somewhat reduced generosity.”
But he notes the dangers involved in betting on Washington.
“Our expectations regarding other parts of the fiscal cliff remain unchanged — though obviously are held with little confidence given the unsettled situation in Washington,” Feroli said.
To be sure, the belief continues in some quarters that the cliff does not pose so great a danger.
Indeed, the BofA managers in the survey still think the market bias is for the “risk-on” trade — with the market rising higher — in spite of the political dangers looming. A net of 24 percent say they are overweight stocks, up from 15 percent net in September.
In fact, strategists at Credit Suisse sound like former President Franklin Delano Roosevelt in opining that the fear of the cliff is worse than the cliff itself.
“There has not only been a fall in corporate confidence while consumer confidence has risen, but durable goods orders have reflected the weakness in CEO business confidence,” Andrew Garthwaite, global equity strategist at Credit Suisse, said in a note. “So ironically the fear of the fiscal cliff may be as damaging to growth as the actuality of fiscal policy.”
© 2012 CNBC.com, Jeff Cox
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stopthis
Oct. 20, 2012 at 6:39pmMr Romney,
Talk about UN, Agenda 21, the New World Order, and Feds fiscal cliff and then I will vote for you.
Peace in Truth
Hesitate Voter
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BODYBAG
Oct. 20, 2012 at 11:20pm@STOPTHIS
Posted on October 20, 2012 at 6:39pm
Mr Romney,
Talk about UN, Agenda 21, the New World Order, and Feds fiscal cliff
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Never happen. Many people here understand these as serious real issues, but
to the broader populace you may as well be talking about thermonuclear physics.
If Romney started discussing this stuff during the general campaign the media
would have a field day and he’d be tarred as a tin foil hat guy.
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RWCT
Oct. 21, 2012 at 2:03pmI assume you might then withhold your vote from him? If so, then you will be helping Obama.You might want to think through your logic here!
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scrudge
Oct. 20, 2012 at 5:05pmAh Yes…. already on the oBAMA administrations table… plans to heavely reduce welfare.. food stamps and unemployment checks.. they are talking about cutting all three in half
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dirigo
Oct. 20, 2012 at 7:59pmYes because they know that those receiving these will go off the deep end and rise up and riot!
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jwpowers41
Oct. 20, 2012 at 11:40pmmot in obamas life time
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Advection
Oct. 20, 2012 at 12:01pmObama has demanded that taxes be raised on the top brackets in order to solve the financial problems. Then he admitted this new tax would not affect the problems and that his goal was simply to soak the rich because its not “fair” that they’re rich.
Obama is literally holding the world financial system hostage until he receives a ransom!
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Bonnieblue2A
Oct. 20, 2012 at 11:45amFiscal cliff threatens 9 out of 10 families with tax increases:
http://www.twincities.com/national/ci_21676051/fiscal-cliff-threatens-tax-hikes-9-10-families?source=rss
Obama threatens to destroy country and take it over the fiscal cliff if he doesn’t get his way on tax hike for those families earning over $250K: http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2012/10/18/obama_why_yes_i_am_happy_to_drive_us_off_the_fiscal_cliff
Driving over the fiscall cliff will put this country into deep recession: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-15/blackrock-s-fink-says-fiscal-cliff-threatens-u-s-with-recession.html
Fire Obama/Reid!
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michael from Ga.
Oct. 20, 2012 at 11:16amGive the car keys an credit cards to the drunken uncle; results are predictable. We were warned of following “blind leaders of the blind”, for they both shall end up in a ditch.
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overthecliff
Oct. 20, 2012 at 10:19am16 trillion dollar national debt and counting!!!! Are you kidding me? We are already past the point of no return. The fiscal cliff will only accelerate the fall. Get guns, food and bullets. I think lead will have more utility than gold.
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forthepeople
Oct. 20, 2012 at 11:39amI believe it far more than that for they have been ‘ cookin the books ‘ for 35 years now ?
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walkintruth
Oct. 21, 2012 at 7:37pmExactly. They all know it. The American people need to be aware of it. We are about to experience a crash in our economy no matter who wins. I believe it will cause riots worse than we see in Greece. Time to prepare.
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thekuligs
Oct. 20, 2012 at 10:00amIt’s already giving me nightmares, I doubt it will be worse than I thought.
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JonSigMan
Oct. 20, 2012 at 10:28amYou can only hope.
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jakartaman
Oct. 20, 2012 at 8:52amThe road is coming to a quick dead end – no more room to kick the can.
been saying this for two years – not smart – just not stupid.
There is no-way the WORLD can escape a massive destructive DEPRESSION worst than the 1920′s.
The only question is what event will turn out to be the straw.
The Euro collapse, war with Iran, major terrorist attack on US soil – you pick it!
Anyone still playing with paper currency or the market are more than dumb.
If I had to guess – I would say spring of 2013 -
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justangry
Oct. 20, 2012 at 9:04amIsn’t voting for Romney kicking the can down the road?
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Fubared
Oct. 20, 2012 at 11:59amStill pining for Paul’s Johnson are we? Why for did the son put his weight behind Romney? Even he saw the math, but the bots just want to keep on crying and whining. But standing on the principle of bad math is oh soooo Indy. Do you now see how the bot moniker stuck?
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MadAsHeII
Oct. 20, 2012 at 12:35pmJakartmen, Ron Paul would not have kicked the can down the road, but now he is out of the race. Gary Johnson is the only candidate that says he will present a balanced budget to Congress in the first year. Now that is not kicking the can down the road. Mitt Romney’s and Paul Ryans plan does not balance the budget for years, and that is still kicking the can down the road. We need to look at the candidates with open eyes and quit listening to the rhetoric they say. There is a debate for the other candidates, since the Commission on Federal Debates (run by Democrats and Republicans) are too afraid to let anyone else into the debates, on October 23rd. Maybe people should watch it. Free and Equal Elections Foundation has announced Larry King, host of Larry King Now on Hulu.com and Ora TV, will serve as moderator for its special 2012 presidential debate. It costs nothing to watch it.
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Robert Hawk
Oct. 20, 2012 at 8:40amOne thing is for sure the ongoing opposition between the Zealot Marxist of the Democratic Party and the Zealot Constitutional Conservatives of the Republican Party, will remain at an impasse. There is simply no common ground for the two opposing entities to attest to.
Zealot Marxists will continue to take every opportunity to turn crisis into an achievement forced assimilation to Marxism, just as the did with Benghazi and the video. They posses a global view of the situation, making the singular view of America of little consequence to them. In their mind America is simply another soviet bloc state, which needs to be forced into the fold of its sister states. Once in the fold America will take its place in the global utopian Marxist; United Nations. Therefore the financial condition of America as an independent nation, is of no consequence to the global Marxists. They are focused on a global utopian Marxist State.
On the other hand are the American globalists who’s desire it is to force the American model onto other nations. Thinking free democracies is the way foreword for all nations. The focus on markets and trade will reduce desires of physical warfare, and improve poverty issues by rising all with the economic tides of improvement. China, Russia, Asian nations are recent testament to the effectiveness of this model at improving economies.
These two models and their adherents contain a chasm which can never be crossed.
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daszim
Oct. 20, 2012 at 8:22amI think we have all ready fallen off the fiscal cliff and just can’t see the destruction through the smoke.
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Robert Hawk
Oct. 20, 2012 at 8:44amWhen we are displaced from the Middle East, that will be the 5 trillion dollar fiscal cliff. When you see the Middle East unite, then we will fall off the fiscal cliff.
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sweetconcern
Oct. 22, 2012 at 12:34amI agree it is already a fact the election is the only thing keeping us floating. Unemployment is over
25 % by most estimates and that is what it was in the Great Depression. Be prepared many will be hungry when the Food Stamp program fails. Gov runs out of other peoples funds. Churhes and Charity will be all that can help. Prepare for you and yours and then your community will need help.
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BlackCrow
Oct. 20, 2012 at 6:25amIt’s going to happen;
1. Romney wins and the Democrats loose the Senate. Harry Reid will never allow any budget deal to come to a vote without massive tax increases. Democrats hate the military. So they get exactly what they want if they let this go off the cliff and blame the Republicans.
2. Obama wins the Democrats retain the Senate but the Republicans retain the house. Harry Reid will never allow any budget deal to come to a vote without massive tax increases. Democrats hate the military. So they get exactly what they want if they let this go off the cliff and blame the Republicans.
3. Obama wins the Democrats retain the Senate and retake the House. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid will never allow any budget deal to come to a vote without massive tax increases. Democrats hate the military. So they get exactly what they want if they let this go off the cliff and blame the Republicans.
Gee whiz Wally! The Euro is going down the tube, the U.S. economy contracts at 3 to 5% as a result of tax increases and defense cuts, Obamas “recovery” falls flat on its face. Then the more onerous parts of Obama care kick in and millions of people working in service and retail get their hours cut back so their employers don’t have to pay the health insurance. Good things coming!
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Ghandi was a Republican
Oct. 20, 2012 at 2:43amNot bigger than I think. When our currency crashes and interest goes to 15-20% it will consume our entire budget *but obama will be down the road ant the media will re-write that obama’s (non-existent) budgets were surpluses. That’s what they are doing with Clinton’s, which happened to be forced down his whining throat after the 1994 version of 2010.
Soros and his fist puppet obama have set this up, all the while us knowing exactly what they are doing. Pelosi/reid/obama did most of this while they had the Supermajority and reid has blocked any reversal that was possible. It can all be undone (except much of the fallout) with a new supermajority and Romney in the Whitehouse. This is a moment in history that really will decide the fate of the entire planet, in many ways.
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PIGSWILLNEVERFLY
Oct. 20, 2012 at 3:52amAnother video has just come out about 0′s hideous plans. It is MOST interesting and many facts are revealed and dots are connected even more :
http://www.usasurvival.org/ck10.18.12.html#axzz29kRuvg.GT (click on imag to view video) it’s 45 minutes.
This is another must see – video
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Goldi-lox
Oct. 20, 2012 at 6:31amTo PIGSWILLNEVERFLY:
SURVIVAL?? That godawful NOISE at the beginning of the video nearly caused heart failure! What kind of IDIOTS do stupid stunts like that? A real turn-off; just closed the dang page. WHY BOTHER? Anyone that thoughtless and moronic has nothing worthwhile to offer.
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starman70
Oct. 20, 2012 at 6:42amYou are right!! Soros knows exactly what he is doing. He has already ruined a couple of countries and in the process made HUGE profits for himself. He WILL do the same thing to America. He has no remorse for the damage he has already done and he won’t give a damn about how his actions will affect those poorest Americans. This man is a demonic rapist, not of women but countries.
The amazing thing is that in the past 20 years, Congress has played into his (Soros’) hands without even realizing it. Our elected officials, Senators and Representatives were clueless about what they were doing. They were far too busy creating programs to do nothing more than get themselves re-elected by just plainly using our taxes and then borrowing more to literally bribe the voters and all the time creating for THEMSELVES retirement and healthcare packages beyond the wildest dreams of any voter.
WE’VE BEEN TAKEN!! Now Soros will be the real winner.
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TSUNAMI_22
Oct. 20, 2012 at 2:27amWhy the ‘Fiscal Cliff’ May Be a Bigger Threat Than You Think
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I’d like to see Felix Baumgardner jump of that !!!
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Jenasus
Oct. 20, 2012 at 1:28amThe more money the Fed prints the less value your money has.
The more money the government spends the higher your taxes will be.
Be prepared to lose everything you have. The government is going to take it all.
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Ilikepeople
Oct. 20, 2012 at 1:52amAnd then which nation in debt up to their eyeballs are they going to sell your belongings to?
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Ilikepeople
Oct. 20, 2012 at 1:54amIf America gets so out of control that the government begins confiscating your personal belongings to sell them, the whole world will be on fire when that time comes around, and not many nations will have stable currency to buy your belonging from the government.
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SCREW-WINDOWS
Oct. 20, 2012 at 5:16amAll while Congress votes themselves another pay raise.
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claymoremacm
Oct. 20, 2012 at 12:59amif the DOW drops below 12500 sell then buy at 4500 or just hold on for the ride…as long as the dividends pay who cares…water,food and ammo,you can’t eat a ounce coin
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razhunter100
Oct. 20, 2012 at 1:09amsell then buy what…?
if want to survive…watch the military stocks.
which ones…find out for yourselves.
gold will be nothing but a shiny metal.
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Ghandi was a Republican
Oct. 20, 2012 at 2:48amCompanies do not pay dividends when they a operating at a loss. They can’t. They don’t have any money, and when the file bankruptcy you lose the shares anyway. This also is the great design of Soros and his meatpuppet obama. This could not be more clear. It is impossible to miss. Most of us know exactly where they are leading us, have know- all the while they point back and say “conspiracy theorists”. That’s what they do. Progressives are communists who couldn’t get the job done out in the open, which is exactly why Alinsky is their God and “rules for radicals’ is their bible.
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wordsofwisdom
Oct. 20, 2012 at 12:57amI think this administration wants us to go over the cliff. All part of the master plan to destroy the economy. This song is about the end times and with all that’s going on it hits home. called “The End Times” http://www.twitmusic.com/cyou_in_song/songs/the-end-times
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Freedom from liberals
Oct. 20, 2012 at 1:41amYou are so correct Wordsofwisdom. It’s a page right out of Cloward and Pivens play book. Get so many people dependent on welfare and financially collapse the free market system so you can step in and replace it with Socialistic total government control system
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mamatango
Oct. 20, 2012 at 12:50amQuote: “If we go over the cliff for an extended period of time, a recession is likely.” ?????
Hell’s Bells!!!–we have already been in a recession for several years! If we go over the cliff or You Know Who is re-elected, we will be in a severe DEPRESSION!
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MadAsHeII
Oct. 20, 2012 at 12:25amThe saddest thing about the election this year is that it did not have to be this way. I truly believe that Romney is going to lose because of the actions of the RNC under Reince Priebus. Supporters of Ron Paul are needed in order for Romney to win, but they are not going to and the reason is what happened to them during the primary and the convention. If the RNC and Romney campaign had just let Ron Paul have his day with a speech, and allowed Pauls delegates to be seated, and allowed Ron Paul to be nominated for the nomination, I believe that Romney would have still received the nomination and all that would have happened is some of Pauls ideas would have been on the platform and Paul supporters would probably held their nose with all of you. But, instead, the RNC and Romney campaign had to form a shadow party in Nevada, coerce Paul delegates (against federal law) in Massachusetts, strip duly elected delegates from MA, MN, LA and other states by bending the rules, and then change the rules at the convention against the voice of the people that will keep grassroots candidates from ever having a say. Because of this, Paul supporters would rather die than vote for the Republican ticket. If you try to blame Paul supporters for this, you will be barking up the wrong tree.
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Jenasus
Oct. 20, 2012 at 1:24amThe primaries were a scam from day one.
Romney and Obama are on different sides of the same Totem Pole.
Romney and Obama are both puppets for the Luciferian New World Order.
Voting for Romney or Obama is the same as voting for Lucifer.
Gary Johnson is the only presidential candidate that is for the people, of the people and by the people.
Ron Paul betrayed all of his followers for being in the primaries when he had no intention of being elected. for President.
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Oct. 20, 2012 at 7:26amBottom line. If you suppoted Paul or support Johnson you might as well put an Obama sign in the front yard of wherever your mobile home is up on blocks…
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justangry
Oct. 20, 2012 at 9:02amThe best way to get rid of a GOP lapdog is to use their douche’s words like like this commie flim flam from the last debate.
“I believe WE have a responsibility to care for one another.” Mitt Romney (emphasis added)
You might get a few zealots incapable of independent thought that will try to argue this isn’t commie speak, but when they do, they’re basically calling Jesus a socialist too.
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MadAsHeII
Oct. 20, 2012 at 12:51pmTIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12, I have read your posts on other stories, and I have to tell you, you are an ignorant person. For one thing, Ron Paul is not running anymore, and second, your name shows a bias toward anyone not on your party line brainwashed mindset. I believe a vote for Romney is like voting for Obama, as there is not a nickels worth of difference between them. Sure, he has flip flopped his rhetoric in order to gain votes, but he is not true to himself. I have listened to his words from the past, the first run for the Presidency and even in the beginning of his run this election and what he is saying now. I see four Mitt Romney’s when I do this and I do not want to vote for Cybil. I cannot believe that anyone would want to vote for someone who has changed his mind so many times. What happens in a crisis? We should do this, oh but this group of people would not like it, so we will do this, oh wait, this other group is against that, then let’s try, no that won’t get me reelected either…. and so on and so on.
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Fubared
Oct. 20, 2012 at 8:32pmI think we have a responsibility to ask that bots seek remedial arithmetic lessons. Paul’s Jonson Barr Goode still equals squat no matter how much you cry and fume, but you persist in crying and fuming.
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Mr.buff1959
Oct. 20, 2012 at 12:10amThe lack of comments on this important topic, leads me to be leave that the majority of people on the blaze are as clueless as the ones on hffpo.
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stopthis
Oct. 20, 2012 at 6:35pmDemand Romney speak of the UN, Agenda 21, New World Order and the fiscal cliff.
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KidCharlemagne
Oct. 19, 2012 at 11:51pmGonna’ party like it’s 1979…..
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“Twenty-five years ago, on October 6, 1979, the Federal Reserve adopted new policy procedures that led to skyrocketing interest rates and two back-to-back recessions but that also broke the back of inflation and ushered in the environment of low inflation and general economic stability the United States has enjoyed for nearly two decades.”
http://www.frbsf.org/publications/economics/letter/2004/el2004-35.html
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razhunter100
Oct. 20, 2012 at 1:07amsearch the act of 1871…i believe.
will find that is when the US became a corporation.
govt website…search …enjoy .
or this …Owned by the UNITED STATES CORPORATION?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYLe02uld_0
or UNITED STATES is a Corporation – There are Two Constitutions – Sovereignty
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVsMUpPgdT0
or…do it you dam selves.
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razhunter100
Oct. 20, 2012 at 1:33amsorry kid…nothing aggressive…just pi$$ed off.
known this for 30 years +.
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Psychosis
Oct. 19, 2012 at 11:44pmStop including the “one time” stimulus into every year’s budget would immediately cut 1 trillion from the annual deficit…..
And you wouldn’t need to “pay for it “
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soybomb315_II
Oct. 19, 2012 at 11:42pmsomeone better forward this article to Mitt Romney
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justangry
Oct. 20, 2012 at 9:05amNah he can make our socialist system work better than the other socialist.
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Fubared
Oct. 20, 2012 at 12:03pmPity party without ky? So spartan of the bots. Up to 1% of that 5% yet? Can you guys get Goode in a cage match with Paul’s Johnson? Get Barr to put on a bikini for the round cards…
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soybomb315_II
Oct. 20, 2012 at 2:17pmis that saul alinksy?
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noland
Oct. 19, 2012 at 11:37pmyou would’nt believe all the old folks voting for THIER ss, they believe that Romney is going to take away thier pay checks. To have democrat tell folks that Romney will end Thier SS should be against the law like yelling FIRE in a crowded theater.
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Magnum1
Oct. 19, 2012 at 11:20pmAusterity is just another code word for the left. Of course, no one wants austerity. They are trying to make it sound so bad that by comparison, we will accept continued tax & spend, borrow & spend, policies to prop up a consumption-driven economy. That is destined to fail.
Sooner or later, you have to produce something of value – that is how wealth and successful economies operate. Sooner or later, you run out of other people’s money as well – China doesn’t want to buy our sorry IOUs anymore.
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JohnQTaxpayer
Oct. 19, 2012 at 11:09pmI am not worried the democrats will save the country from collapse, they already have a plan “bottom up” the poor will boost the economy with all that money O Caesar will take from the rich and give to them
We will all be just fine, won’t we ????
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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Oct. 19, 2012 at 11:32pmNo we will not be fine, so I assume your post is meant in the spirit of sarcasm.
The fiscal cliff is a demarcation line of no return; cross it and the end game of economic collapse will begin to happen.
This is the ultimate game of Obama and the Democratic fanatics who follow him, they have promised to collapse the economy before handing power over to the Republicans, and now with sequestration and the failed renewal of tax rate reductions, it will happen as an initial shock to the economy.
Can we ride it out until Romney takes over and starts to tackle it…probably. It depends on how much further damage Obama does during the lame duck session to the nation as a whole.
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