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Lesbians Launch Discrimination Complaint Against NY Farm Owners for Refusing to Host Their Gay Wedding

Oct. 22, 2012 1:20pm Billy Hallowell

ALBANY, N.Y. (TheBlaze/AP) — Two New York women who say they were turned away from a potential wedding site because they are lesbians have filed a discrimination complaint.

Advocates say the complaint filed with the state Division of Human Rights is among the first of its kind since New York legalized same-sex weddings last year.

Melisa Erwin and Jennie McCarthy, of Albany, say they filed the complaint Oct. 11 after Liberty Ridge Farm told them they could not use the site for their wedding next summer.

“When we asked why [the owners told us], ‘That’s what my husband and I decided. We’ve been married a long time and it’s great you’re getting married and all, but you can’t do it here,’” McCarthy told WNYT-TV.

The farm has had a growing presence of weddings on its premises. This year, alone, 15 nuptials were booked. But with gay marriage being so new in New York State — and with this being one of the first cases of alleged discrimination – there’s no telling how the legalities will play out.

Despite critique, owner Robert Gifford is adamant about not hosting gay marriages at Liberty Ridge.

“I think it’s our right to choose who we market to, like any business,” he said in an interview with WNYT last week. ”We are a family business and we just feel we ought to stay down the family path.”

A spokesman for the owners of Liberty Ridge Farm says the couple acted in line with their values. Jason McGuire, of New Yorkers for Constitutional Freedoms, says the owners feel that their rights are being violated and that they will contest the complaint. While the law has an exemption for religious halls and membership organizations, the farm doesn’t fall under these categories.

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Comments (361)

theotherberean
Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:44pm
Who is “forcing” their religion on whom?

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- encinom
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:57pm
  No one, A private business, not a religious hall, believes its above the law and can discriminate. I guess you would be there, down south supporting Woolworths, when it claimed it can deny lunch counter service to certain people.
- sillyfreshness
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 2:02pm
  Under communism, you have “freedom of speech” and “freedom of thought” as long as it goes along with communistic ideals and goals. You no longer have a right to oppose “political correctness” of mentally ill gays.
  
  Now if this farm would have refused to have a polygamist wedding, that would have been totally fine, but mess with those mentally ill gays and watch holy he*l break loose. Gays are to be worshiped in modern society.
  
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- JQuentinEvermann
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 2:06pm
  It is private land and its the owner’s choice. It’s simple. Why are these lesbians so intolerant of Christians and their values? Why would the government side with an anti-Christian movement? Oh, wait, Dear Leader…yes, now it make sense.
  
  I don’t oppose gay marriage, but if these people tell you that you can’t book their private property for an event, move on and find a place where you’re welcome.
  
  Imagine this was a Klan rally trying to book their event on a Mosque’s private retreat. Who would people side with? Double standards are tough to justify without double talk.
  
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- Elena2010
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 2:08pm
  So “no shoes, no shirt, no service” is discriminatory. You got problems w/that?
  
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- CMDR6
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 2:11pm
  a tad bit different you freaking POS……blacks were born that way. If I was black, then I would take offense to your silly implication, I am not black and I still take offense to your stupidity.
  Guess you want NAMBLA to be able to hold their pedophile group studies anywhere they want…right? oh its not legal you say…slippery slope, just a matter of time if your kind stay in leadership positions…move to France please….they will love you there
  
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- @leftfighter
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 2:11pm
  Agree. It’s just another movement of the Overton Window.
  
  First, it was “We’re here, we’re queer. Get used to it.” And we did, thinking what they did in the privacy of their own bedroom was their business.
  
  Then it was brought out of the bed room at Disney Gay Days, and that was fine too, because how Disney wants to run their park is up to them. Meanwhile, the homosexual agenda gains steam.
  
  Then it was Civil Unions, and we all said “that’s fair that they have some civil analog of hat the rest of us have in marriage. And even more steam was gained.
  
  Emboldened, they got religions to recognize a right that God never established in gay marriage, and got it pushed through their states, and we thought “we’re not in those states or churches. Let’s make sure there’s a law passed that says the citizens of one state don’t have to be subjected to a definition of marriage that they didn’t vote for & don’t support, and it’ll be fine. We’ll call it the Defense of Marriage Act.”
  
  The Obama comes along and refuses to recognize DOMA and states may be forced to recognize these illegitimate (in terms of their own state laws) marriages. Even more momentum.
  
  Now we have discrimination suits ain’t people who don’t support gay marriage taking place on their property. How long before churches are being sued?
  
  Ultimately, that’s what this is about: the destruction of the age-old societal moms this nation has stood for since long before its founding and seperating u
  
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- JRook
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 2:11pm
  Despite individual rights and liberties, I support a private company from deciding what events they want to host at their farm. As my father used to say, “Your civil rights end at the tip of my nose, as that’s where my begin”. Of course he often offered the same sentiment towards individuals who attempted to infuse their religious beliefs into public policy or government laws, regulations, etc. And despite all the convenient and selective interpretation of the founding fathers that GB puts forth, they all held INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY and SELF DETERMINATION above their own religious beliefs. There should be no surprise that individuals from England, Spain and France would be primarily Christian. And it is irrelevant in the discussion regarding their priorities which was very clear. The government nor the church, and clearly not the combination should supersede the right of the individual to chose their own destiny through the exercise of their right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.
  
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- BubbaCoop
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 2:19pm
  Exactly ELENA2010
  Individuals discriminate CONSTANTLY. It wasn’t always a dirty word. When someone chooses to get married, they are promising to discriminate against EVERY OTHER PERSON on earth. That doesn’t always mean they are discriminatory in their choice. Granting positive rights infringes on Constitutional negative rights.
  
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- yougottabekidding
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 2:20pm
  After looking at he picture I understand why they want it on a farm!
  
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- berlich
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 2:28pm
  If the farm owners feel that supporting gay marriage is against their values or religion I would support their choice. They are giving up the revenue for their values. This couple can go elsewhere. people have the right to the free practice of their religion. The government shouldn’t be able to force this issue.
  
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- Angel_light
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 2:30pm
  It’s the owners choice. they don’t like it, too bad! you can’t force someone to do something they don’t want to do. if they want to get gay married they can find somewhere else. and besides this kind of thing doesn’t just happen to gays. I have a straight cousin (got married to her husband) last year have a reservation cancelled on her. she had to find another place to hold the wedding. these 2 lesbos are just crybabies
  
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- mr. parker
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 2:34pm
  I don’t know, NY does its best to infringe the constitutional rights of gun owners. That farm has the right to ban firearms on its property, why not lesbian “marriages.”
  
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- DYNA
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 2:34pm
  Everyone discriminates. Everyone has likes and dislikes. Life or death is determined by discriminating between good and evil and this includes the God given right of freedom of association.
  
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- AvengerK
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 2:39pm
  Yeah ummm JCROOK..here’s the thing though champ. Rather than respecting the rights of others, the homosexual lobby chooses to litigate and intimidate anyone that resists their agenda.
  
  So these two homosexuals could have uite easily moved on to a place that would accomodate them, but they chose to go to court instead. The political statement is more important to them than the flaccid invocation you offerred of “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”.
  
  Furthermore, YOU may find it acceptable for society to put an “OK” stamp on damaged goods but don’t ask all of us to buy into your delusion.
  
  By all means..pretend to respect the right of the private business again while you support with your votes and voice, the group who wishes to subvert it’s rights. You’re an idiot.
  
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- floridareader
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 2:43pm
  @encimon
  As a private business the farm has the right to allow or deny anyone entrance in the premises.
  
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- Prosecute_Constitutional_Treason_In_Washington
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 2:47pm
  If the owners are Bible based Christians, the issue is how society treats their property. Liberal society takes the view their property is not a religious institution. As a Christian owner, the business is a religious institution. Your business is an extension of your beliefs. Gov. needs to be chained and the good citizens need to be freed.
  
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- mikem1969
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 2:47pm
  Just another mentally ill couple trying to hurt someone because they did not get their way. This is a private farm, and if the owners don’t want them there then so be it, find another place and move on. But this was never about the wedding, its about pushing the gay agenda yet again. I would never allow one on my property either, as my values don’t agree with their lifestyle so their lifestyle will not be on my land.
  
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- Thornyrose13
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 2:47pm
  @encinom. Businesses that refuse certain patrons are punished by the loss of income from the persons they bar, as well as those who find the rejection wrong. Capitalism is based on VOLUNTARY exchange of goods, services, and money. The couple are not being denied any life threatening services. There are numerous venues they could book instead.
  You may disagree with this couple, but it is private property. They are entitled to decide who will be their customers. once you start compelling service, where do you stop? Can Hell’s Angels demand to have weddings there? People who cannot afford the wedding but WANT it there? Property rights have already been dangerously erode, despite the Constitution. Weaken it much more, and you may as well leave your door unlocked at home; you will no longer be entitled to keep anyone who wants to go in out of it.
  
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- sWampy
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 2:48pm
  Woolworth’s was well within their right to deny service to any one they damn well wanted to for any reason. When we let name calling idiots bully us into submission, we opened the door for the doom of us all. Our kids will most certainly pay dearly for letting morons like encinom deprive them of their God given rights.
  
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- banjarmon
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 2:50pm
  Brilliant in its simplicity …
  A. Back off and let those men who want to marry men, marry men.
  B. Allow those women who want to marry women, marry women.
  C. Allow those folks who want to abort their babies, abort their babies.
  D. In three generations, there will be no Democrats.
  
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- johnjamison
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 2:52pm
  It’s totally within thier rights to deny service to anyone, and enicmon yes woolworth ahd every right to deny service as well. And those whop are denied service have every right to take their business else where. Just as those who find those business practices unamerican and bigotted have every right to protest and boycott thyose businesses. The only place that should be able to practice discrimination is the government as they have no competetion to compete against.
  It’s not really discrimination for a privately owned business to deny service what it is is bad business to turn down paying costumer.
  
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- RUSHOFFOOLS
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 2:57pm
  The gays want us to be extremely tolerant (indulgent) to their values but they are extremely intolerant to ours. What hypocrites!
  
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- Anonymous T. Irrelevant
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 2:58pm
  ENCIDIOT
  A PRIVATE business has the right to refuse service to anyone. ANYONE
  
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- Terry1242
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 3:07pm
  These two have huge chips on their shoulder, obviously. Look at them. And to compare gays to blacks who truly have suffered is just BS.
  
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- mtcountrygrl
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 3:28pm
  THIS is why Christians opose government sanctioned gay marriage. Because it is not about their rights it is about FORCING us to accept their lifestyle in violation of our beliefs. HHS Mandate anyone?
  
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- Kafir-Islamsux
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 3:41pm
  Encinom…the color of one’s skin is not a choice (Michael Jackson aside), but who you have sex with, who you marry, IS a choice. Why should others be forced to accept a lifestyle, a perversion, we may not agree with?
  
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- DadRocked
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 3:52pm
  encinom… Say What? If one’s sexuality defines an individual than that individual is shallow. What one does behind closed doors is up to them but this has nothing to do with a Woolworth scenario.
  Race, sex, creed, religion, national origin, age, color or handicapping condition matters – Sexual choice? Come on now! Get Real. Who you crappin’?
  
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- Derfel Cadarn
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 3:53pm
  But it would be OK to exclude someone that wanted to have a cigar wedding, because smoking is icky. Suppose I wanted a nude wedding would they be forced to hold that? If one section of society can set a limit to what they condone then all society can set it own limits.
  
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- shimauma
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 4:12pm
  The religion of perversity is being forced down the throats of those who would live righteously. God bless this farm owner for standing up against those who choose to live deviant livestyles.
  
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- CrismaFire
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 4:14pm
  ENCIONOM gays have no rights except human rights. They are trampling on American rights. Go ahead and do that and watch as America destroys homosexuality. Should be forced mental health for gays who have this mental sickness.doesn’t mean gays are bad but definitely need mental help.
  
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- ChiefGeorge
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 4:15pm
  Will they try to marry in a US based Mosque next? Not a chance! Seems an easy way to get a law suit there as well, but whom do they pick on? The traditional oppressive White Farmer of course.
  
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- IsThereADifference
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 4:29pm
  How upsetting it must have been for these two cows to be prohibited from the farm…
  
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- pitboss711
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 4:36pm
  The property owner has the right to approve or deny anyone access to their property. It’s their property. It’s their right, just like business owners have the right to deny service to anyone for any reason.
  
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- bgotts27
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 4:36pm
  ENCINOM, your liberal non-thinking non-skills are showing again.
  
  It is a PRIVATE business, not the government’s business. Remember that the Constitution prohibits Congress from making any law that prohibits the free exercise of any individual’s religion. The farm owners have the Constitutional right to lease their facilities according to their religious beliefs.
  
  I know, I know, you liberals can’t understand that forcing someone to respect someone else’s debauchery infringes on the rights of the first individual, but, hey, I tried.
  
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- encinom
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 5:24pm
  How quickly the racist Tea Partier and Beckerhead attacks the Civil Rights Act and the laws regarding public accommodations laws to protect these bigot farmers.
  
  @CrismaFire
  “ENCIONOM gays have no rights except human rights. They are trampling on American rights.” So who determines who gets what rights? Do Christians enjoy more rights than everyone else?
  
  Right to marry is considered a basic civil right, there is nothing is the law that defines what a human right is.
  
  Of course under the New York Anti-Discrimination law, the farmers are in the wrong.
  
  Anyone who provides goods and services to the general public is considered a public accommodation. It is against the law for a public accommodation to withhold or refuse to provide those goods or services; charge a different amount for the same goods or services; set different terms for obtaining those goods or services; discourage certain people from using them; or advertise or make statements that would make you feel unwelcome because of your race, color, creed, age, national origin, alienage or citizenship status, gender (including gender identity), sexual orientation, disability, marital status, and partnership status. Please note that there are limited exemptions from the provisions of this law based upon gender and age.
  
  So either the Farmers can get out of the business of hosting weddings or they could apply with the law.
  
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- DrFrost
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 5:24pm
  My sentiments exactly Theo. Personal religious freedom is more important than that of organized religion. In other words, if you can’t force a church to do something against their religious beliefs then you certainly can’t force an individual.
  
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- Marine 1
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 5:30pm
  I would have refused them as well. Being gay is not normal. It goes against GOD’s law. End of story.
  
  Those two lesbians can just go somewhere else and get “married.” Quit giving LRF a hard time about the issue.
  
  The GLBT groups just demand everything all the time. A small minortiy making a big noise.
  
  You perverts just need to go away.
  
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- encinom
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 5:46pm
  Marine 1
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 5:30pm
  
  I would have refused them as well. Being gay is not normal. It goes against GOD’s law. End of story.
  
  Those two lesbians can just go somewhere else and get “married.” Quit giving LRF a hard time about the issue.
  
  The GLBT groups just demand everything all the time. A small minortiy making a big noise.
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  And its against the laws of the State of New York to deny services to any person based on sexual orientation. These farmers are in the business of renting out their property for weddings, their activities are cover by New York’s Public Accommodations law. In a court of law, it is the laws of the State of New York that will trump God’s law, every day of the week,
  
  You perverts just need to go away.
  
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- steelpanther
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 6:49pm
  I think the farm owners rights of deciding who they want on their property trump their poor hurt feelings.
  
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- billrow
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 7:08pm
  What I don’t get is why would these people want to have their wedding at a place where they are not wanted?
  
  Sounds like a attempt at a discrimination payday.
  
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- Pilgrimsarbour
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 8:40pm
  There is no biblical injunction about race, especially based on skin colour. Anyone who used the Bible to justify race hatred and discrimination was flat out wrong. However, there are injunctions about sexual behaviours. Those of us who take these commands seriously do not want to be in a position that ENABLES others to transgress God’s laws.
  
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- JackDamaris
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 8:55pm
  A private business has the right to refuse service to whomever they choose.
  
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- Pigpen
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 8:58pm
  ENCINOM posted: “I guess you would be there, down south supporting Woolworths. when it claimed it can deny lunch counter service to certain people.”
  
  Yes, ENCINOM, I would be there to support Woolworths in that, NOW! Especially since those “certain people” have, through THEIR OWN BEHAVIOR, done nothing but PROVE that Bull Connor was right! Ol’ Bull said that if segregation was lifted, the “certain people” would run amok in a rabid frenzy of robbing and raping, and, well, I can’t say THAT isn’t true. That is EXACTLY what happened. And I have the YouTube videos TO PROVE IT!
  
  So what are you and the lesbian couple going to do now, ENCINOM? I am a RACIST and a bigot! SO WHAT! What will you do now that I DON’T CARE ANYMORE! I wasn’t always a racist. In fact, I teared up when I watched that Reading Rainbow guy star in “Roots”! But I don’t tear up anymore!
  
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- SATX 19
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 9:16pm
  “Forcing” religion? Where in this article did it state anything about religioin being forced on either party? In what “religion” is homosexuality accepted? This is another obvious example of the 2-4% of gays in this country wanting the other 96-98% to bend to their ways. It’s disgusting. We are so sick and tired of being told everyone has to be accepted and thus be forced to dissassociate ourselves from our morales and ethos. Plus you can’t say if those “lesbians” were a hundred pounds lighter (each) that they wouldn’t have men asking them out. they are gay because they honestly eat too much. That is the basis of all this. Don’t gripe, really think this out.
  
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- 1PORattler
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 10:38pm
  Encinom…. Why don’t you tell us who is paying you to be here. You think that the many should sacrifice their rights to accommodate the epic minority… Better pick up a history book. They have tried this agenda before and the result was some of the most epic blow back in world history… We stand on the cusps of a repeat and I will be damned if I will sacrifice my rights to accommodate a lifestyle choice that stands opposed to the laws of mother nature itself. Today they had a “gay class” for kindergarten children in Sacramento and never alerted the parents. Kindergarten? Kinderfrickinggarten? Want to see just how forceful and overwhelming the response to this agenda will be? Keep this stuff up and you will find out post haste. As far as I am concerned, I am done. Time for tolerance is over. Time for pushing back and knocking this agenda on its rear has arrived
  
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- Fourthhorseman
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 11:03pm
  Dude, your a moron. You just contradicted yourself. It is indeed a private business. Therefore, they can choose their customers. Is there some law that says if you own a tire shop you must sell everyone that walks in the door tires? No.
  
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- encinom
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 11:46pm
  Fourthhorseman
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 11:03pm
  Dude, your a moron. You just contradicted yourself. It is indeed a private business. Therefore, they can choose their customers. Is there some law that says if you own a tire shop you must sell everyone that walks in the door tires? No.
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  Actually, there is a Public Accommodations law in New York that prevent private businesse from denying services and goods on account of race, religion, gender, sexual preference, etc. Please check your facts.
  
  At least Pigpen is honest about being a small minded racist.
  
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- MuleePete
  Posted on October 23, 2012 at 12:15am
  Mussolini in 1922, Stalin in 1924, Hitler in 1932, Mao in 1945.
  
  All started with the LAW also.
  
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- hotmonkeylovejunkie
  Posted on October 23, 2012 at 2:30am
  that’spart of the problem ENCOCIM, making it illegal to discriminate against something like a gay wedding. it is NOT the same thing as giving equal rights to minorities. Gays are not a minority, there are an abomination on society as a whole, especially a Christian society, need i remind you, one that our country was FOUNDED upon. if gays don’t like it, they are more than welcome to move to a country that will more than accept them for who they are. like Egypt, or Libya, or Afghanistan, or say any muslim country in the world. since these are the types of nations that this administration supports, imagine where these folks will be when such laws as sharia are implemented throughout the free world. can you say headless gays?
  
  Please don’t get me wrong, I know lots of gay and lesbian people and have many friends who are as well. but i do not advocate the same title and privileges that are defined as marriage.
  
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- Malrick
  Posted on October 23, 2012 at 3:39am
  Rowan Alkinson, made speech recently, that basically ought to sum this up I don’t have the exact quote, but this is close, “Intolerance in the name of tolerance is still intolerance”. Now I’m not a Mr. Bean fan, but I find him a bit mote tolerable today than yesterday.
  
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- ObamaForward_OverTheCliff
  Posted on October 23, 2012 at 4:49am
  “Lesbians Launch Discrimination Complaint Against NY Farm Owners for Refusing to Host Their Gay Wedding”
  
  EEEeeeeeeuuuuuuuu!
  
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- orionreplay6607
  Posted on October 23, 2012 at 6:03am
  The public accommodations law of NY it would appear that it would not cover this insistence: http://law.justia.com/codes/new-york/2010/cvr/article-4/40/. The law is very specific where discrimination cannot occur and in my reading, a farm is not one. The best I could find was the 2010 law. It may have changed to include a farm, though I doubt it.
  
  I believe these two knew there would be “trouble” with the farm and pressed forward regardless to make a statement or start their lives in hopes of a sizable lawsuit winning. I think it will be struck down.
  
  When making our wedding plans, as I recall, we had one ‘no’ in a sea of ‘yes’. I did not dig into why the one place said no. I accepted the answer from the private business owner and moved on to the many others with our funds. It would appear to me that this couple was waiting for a ‘no’ to begin pursuit of why.
  
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- FesteAinoriba
  Posted on October 23, 2012 at 7:32am
  Encicom,
  Apparently, you believe that the Constitution allows the imposition of non-theistic moral philosophies like egalitarianism, and only restricts the government from imposing theistic moral frameworks by law.
  
  You are a useful idiot to the forces that seek to destroy the liberty of mankind. Your concept of liberty appears to be that man should be free to force others to use their time, energy, talents and property to support collective moral imperatives. This was the same rationalization argued by slavers throughout history.
  
  It is a damnable idea that government can legitimately force those who walk in virtue’s paths to share the fruits of virtue with those who refuse to live in accordance with the same virtuous principles that gave rise to their prosperity.
  
  Decline of civilization is guaranteed when this pernicious and fatal cancer takes root and society starts believing that all should have equal access to the fruits of virtue without having to walk in virtue’s paths.
  
  Get your damnable secular humanist, egalitarian moral philosophy and imperatives OUT of government. Stop believing that compelling some to share the fruits of their labors with others is moral, when in fact it is Slavery by any other name and is inherently immoral.
  
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- Thatsitivehadenough
  Posted on October 23, 2012 at 9:11am
  He should have a sign that says ‘We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone’. I wouldn’t allow them at my place either. This is why there’s a growing anti-Gay movement in America. Because they are aggressive haters. And I wish ENICOM would get hit by a bus.
  
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- KGray
  Posted on October 23, 2012 at 10:07am
  Encinom, the Constitution does not cover the religious freedoms of ONLY religious institutions. It covers the religious freedoms of INDIVIDUALS above everything.
  SillyFreshness, Polygamists are not far behind. They’re just waiting for gay marriage to go national.
  
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- geminicontender
  Posted on October 23, 2012 at 10:58am
  As most places of business state with a sign….”We reserve the right to refuse service”
  
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- encinom
  Posted on October 23, 2012 at 11:32am
  @orionreplay6607 if it was only a farm you would be correct. But if you read the article, its clear that this farm is in the business of renting its land for private functions, it now falls under the Public Accommodations act.
  
  @FesteAinoriba whose virtue? I see little virtue in bigotry shielded by a bible nor is it the place of the government to elevate one religion’s beliefs above all others in a nation governed by Secular laws. We never were a theocracy, you religious views and morals should never be the basis for impose restrictions on others. While individuals enjoy freedom of religion, businesses are not people, something Romney and the conservatives may not realize, but legal creations governed by the laws of the States.
  
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- PATTY HENRY
  Posted on October 23, 2012 at 1:15pm
  A new GALLUP POLL discloses that GAYS in AMERICA only make up 3%…not that that means we can roll over them, but gosh, they’ve had a huge voice…you’d think they were 80% of AMERICA.
  
  HERE’S A HINT GAY PEOPLE: IF YOU want to be respected, then respect others around you. YOU know already that your behavior is offensive to some others…so why try to shove it in their faces…find
  places where you are accepted and leave the others alone.
  This is true in all aspects of human relations. Some Men’s clubs don’t want women around, some Women’s clubs don’t want Men around….
  Your HUGE mistake was trying to take our word for MARRIAGE…you had a zillion other options… why do you have to force your issues? Some people are not going to be receptive, just as you are not receptive to everything others do. GET OVER IT. (I’d say the same to heteros who think it’s funny to ridicule etc. Gays… get over it!) LIFE IS REALLY WAY TOO SHORT people!!!
  
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- ambrosia
  Posted on October 23, 2012 at 4:05pm
  There are tons of places that would accommodate this couple,
  yet they chose to file a complaint,
  instead of moving on & ahead with their celebration.
  
  The owners of this place told them why they would not accept their request
  and the meanies decide to pick a fight & make misery.
  
  Hey ladies,
  why not sail up the Hudson a bit to Nyack
  and ask Rosie O’Dosie to hold your nuptials at her estate ?
  If ya’ get the wild child in a good mood, she might even pick up the tab.
  
  Leave the kind farmers alone-
  respect their decision and quit your damn whining,
  There are people suffering REAL pain & tragedy & you”re devastated by this ?
  Stick a binky in it !
  
  There’s tons of farmland out there-
  go buy yourselves an apple orchard & rent a tent…..MORONS !
  
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- PittsburghAfterDark
  Posted on October 23, 2012 at 4:51pm
  Thank God I won’t have to worry about running into either one of them on a blind date. BLECH!
  
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- rickc34
  Posted on October 23, 2012 at 5:30pm
  Any business can reserve the right to choose whome they serve. Besides just because they look like cows they don’t need to get married in a barn. Do not force your gay religion.
  
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- redsea
  Posted on October 23, 2012 at 8:08pm
  All they have to do is claim their right to freedom of religion, and they can not be forced to do anything against their religious beliefs. There is no discrimination here at all. It is clearly against their religious beliefs and I stand with the business owner.
  
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- COFemale
  Posted on October 23, 2012 at 10:05pm
  encinom it is a private farm where the owners can allow whomever they wish to use their farm. Only in a dictatorship would they be forced to preform a wedding of someone they do not wish to support. These *****’s have no case. It will be thrown out. However, we are dealing with NY and it wouldn’t surprise me when they violate the Constitution.
  
  You need to brush up on your law, cause what you think is not what is. As Reagan said, “Democrat know so much that isn’t so” or similar.
  
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- FesteAinoriba
  Posted on October 23, 2012 at 10:16pm
  @encicom – Businesses consist of free-will contracts and free-will associations of individuals who pool their collective resources for a common goal or purpose. The government has no legitimate (Constitutionally provisioned) authority for dictating who these associations of individuals with a common goal must do commerce with, or associate with; not does it have legitimate authority to interfere with the right of these individuals to disposition and manage their property in accordance with their own moral framework and principles. ALL of your social justice imperatives and objectives are part of a moral belief system that is being instantiated as a state religion. Your argument prove that you feel justified imposing your moral framework by power of law. The only logically consistent view is, as the Founding Fathers intended, the government should never impose moral imperatives in law. If you don’t like the restrictions that one man imposes on how he manages his property – then you are protected by the same Constitution to exercise your property in accordance with your conscience – catering to whatever clientele that your principles dictate. But what the Constitution expressly prohibits you from doing is imposing your morals and compelling others to manage their time, energy, talents and property the way you, or several of you, see fit. It is criminal to compel another to disposition or use his property contrary to his own will. Go buy a farm and do lesbian marriages.
  
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- 17tamx
  Posted on October 23, 2012 at 11:40pm
  All business can refuse service to whom ever they want! No shoes, no shirt, same sex, no service. Now if they were to charge double the price for same sex now that would be an actionable situation.
  
  Forcing any business to have to participate in a “Same Sex Marriage” is like forcing any Doctor to perform an “Abortion”. Your Rights do not override My Rights to say no. There are a multitude of options out there in New York State for them to find a business that would be happy and proud to perform their Civil Union Service. There is no need to force anyone.
  
  Besides, would you want to pay good money on your special day to a business that really doesn’t want your business and clearly doesn’t share your type of values?
  
  Find someone from the GLBM community that owns a cool place to celebrate your special day.
  
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- Cray-Z-Conservative
  Posted on October 23, 2012 at 11:56pm
  Had they requested to be married at a town hall or community center or something like that, then yes they would have a legitamate complaint. However; they were denied having the marriage performed on PRIVATE PROPERTY. Which means too bad so sad but there’s nothing you can do about it and there is nothing our precious government can do either. I think it’s so ridiculous that gays and lesbians feel like they’re owed acceptance. Get over it and get married somewhere else. Don’t push it.
  
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- BeeDee
  Posted on October 24, 2012 at 12:19am
  Any private business can chose to refuse service to anyone. Government cannot discriminate. Ever see the no shoes, no shirt, no service signs? DISCRIMINATION! I demand my bajillions!
  
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- BreeZee
  Posted on October 24, 2012 at 8:23am
  seems to me PRIVATE PROPERTY oWNERS should be able to say who and who can’t use their property. The girls own statement says nothing about sexual preff
  “When we asked why [the owners told us], ‘That’s what my husband and I decided. We’ve been married a long time and it’s great you’re getting married and all, but you can’t do it here,’”
  
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- BORNONTHEFOURTHOFJULY
  Posted on October 24, 2012 at 9:26am
  The owner should just refuse to marry ****-ugly couples. No freaking law against that.
  
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ronin_6
Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:41pm
If you still haven’t figured this out, homosexuals are at war with anybody that disagrees with them. They are unrelenting and remorsless. They do not care about colattarel damage. They are the most selfish, dishonest, self indulgent group I have ever had the displeasure of dealing with. How else could a group that only makes up 3.4% of the population cause so much hate?
Homosexuality is a self inflicted mental disorder.

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- AvengerK
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 2:03pm
  Look up “Jamming” as part of the homosexual strategy.
  http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/hutchison/040428
  
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- ltb
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 2:05pm
  If homosexual marriage was about equal rights, these people would be satisfied with civil unions, since they offer the same legal protection and benefits of marriage. It’s not about equal rights, though. These people want to be able to sue churches into oblivion when pastors refuse to bless their unholy unions, just like they are trying to bankrupt these business owners in NY.
  
  Good going America! 230 years of freedom down the drain, because people thought it would be a good idea to kick God out of our public schools, out of our public squares and out of our government.
  
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- Mil-Dot
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 3:57pm
  You got it Ronin. Can these two people be any more mentally ill. I mean, just look at them will ya?
  
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Southerner01
Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:38pm
They could always say it wasn’t because they are lesbians, but because they are **** ugly that they were denied. Pretty sure ugly isn’t a protected group, even in liberal NY.

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- THEREARE4LIGHTS
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:55pm
  Lmao!!!!!!
  
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- 4xeverything
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 2:40pm
  Jenny McCarthy has really let herself go…
  
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- biohazard23
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 3:40pm
  4X, I was thinking the same thing. Yikes!
  
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Ilikepeople
Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:37pm
And when Billy Bob Joe married his girl-friend down the street, that wasn’t no wedding either, and she also wasn’t his wife.

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- Ilikepeople
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:51pm
  But on the other hand when you marry someone because they like the same music as you, and they like going to the same ice cream parlor, well that’s just good for the economy. But like I said if you put the economy before the truth, then I don’t know you, and the Kings and Queens of the world are your god.
  
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- Ilikepeople
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:53pm
  But moreover, you ain’t gonna inherit the earth, and neither the Kingdom of Heaven.
  
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- Ilikepeople
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 2:08pm
  Come to think of it, that’s why the Commandment about Graven Images means so much, but if you loved the Lord thy God – you’d know that.
  
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ResistSocialism
Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:37pm
They probably feared for their animals being abused.

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- JohnQTaxpayer
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 4:46pm
  Overheard on the farm, one pig to another, “hey Wilber did you see those two ugly hogs kissing?”
  
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Female
Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:36pm
They don’t allow strange dogs on their premises. Can you refuse on the basis of ugly?

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ronin_6
Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:35pm
They know they can’t win. Its not about that. There are many kinds of victory and if they can portray these people as dimwitted, discriminatory, Philistines, causing them to lose business and sending a message to other venue owners not to mess with the gay mafia that will count as a victory.

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- encinom
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:59pm
  Any business man that puts their belief before their business are fools. In this case they are fools and bigots.
  
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- LimitedLiabilityUser
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 2:18pm
  @encinom
  
  And yet you bemoan “fat cat wall street bankers” for doing what they did?
  
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- ronin_6
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 2:37pm
  ENCINOM
  So its all about the money? I don’t think so. Thats not how any of my family has done business.
  
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- ronin_6
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 2:40pm
  In fact ENCINOM I woud say it is exactly the opposite of that. Without principals and the courage to live up to them your life would be rather meaningless don’t ya think?
  
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- noesterdamos
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 2:48pm
  Oh yeah!…….SLAP!……..Well written “LIMITED”
  
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- sWampy
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 2:50pm
  encinom is letting his fascism show through, Hail Obama.
  
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- ManofSteel
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 2:52pm
  @ ENCINOM
  
  Correction…Anybody that has no beliefs or principles is a fool. A businessman who stands up for their beliefs in their business shows the greatest courage. Also, the fact that you used the word bigot here shows me YOU are a fool as well. The word “bigot” is completely overused and abused by individuals with no real argument for their lack of any moral code or principles.
  
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- Lord_Frostwind
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 2:52pm
  You have to believe in something, and if you are willing to sacrifice that belief for money, then you really don’t believe. Even those days when it is a hopeless fight, you stand for what you believe in, that puts you in with the best blood of history; the Greeks in the Greco-Persian Wars, the prophets of old, the great philosophers, and even the countless dead who have bled for this and other nations freedom. Compromising what you hold dear is the worst kind of message that far too many in society are willing to embrace for a little bit more cash, a little more security, or all the other useless justifications they tell themselves.
  
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- floridareader
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 2:53pm
  @encimon
  When you have high principles, you always put them before your monetary interests. Of course, you don’t know that. I even doubt you have any moral or principles.
  
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- AvengerK
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 2:58pm
  Hmmmmm….let’s see ENCIDIOT/MONICNE/SLEAZY HIPPO. The farm doesnt’ want homosexuals being married on their premises and so their stand on homosexual marriages being held there would discourage homosexuals from marrying there.
  
  Only to someone as benighted as you would this be the wrong result for the farm in question.
  
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- mcsledge
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 3:12pm
  encinom – Any man or woman who believes they can separate their beliefs from their business/political views is a coward to said beliefs.
  
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- tradcatholicgirl
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 3:25pm
  If these two women WERE like a hetero couple in love, they would not spoil their wedding memories with such petty nonsense. No self-respecting adult spends a moment worrying about whether a wedding venue wants their business or not.
  
  If you want to be taken seriously as an engaged couple in our society, act like one.
  
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- encinom
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 5:26pm
  @ronin_6
  
  When is bigotry and ignorance a principal and value?
  
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- Wisdom7
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 6:35pm
  @Encinom
  
  So start a gay marriage farm if you “care” so much about the issue and want to provide a place for gays to marry on a farm. You really have no comprehension of how things work in the real world do you.
  
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- encinom
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 6:53pm
  Wisdom7
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 6:35pm
  
  @Encinom
  
  So start a gay marriage farm if you “care” so much about the issue and want to provide a place for gays to marry on a farm. You really have no comprehension of how things work in the real world do you.
  _______________
  So your argument is separate but equal? Should they have their own water fountains to?
  
  Of course, New York State Law disagrees with the bigots and clearly prevents businesses from denying goods and services from people based on race, religion, gender, age, sexual orientation, etc.
  
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- Wisdom7
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 7:40pm
  @Encinom
  
  No you just don’t get it and your argument is asinine. This is a “family” centered business focused on traditional weddings on private property. It would be just as easy for someone else to focus on gay weddings and open a business just like this one. That’s what free market is all about! Instead you want to manipulate the law to shut them down. This has absolutely nothing to do with segregation or whatever you are trying to make the argument into with the separate water fountains comments.
  
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- encinom
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 11:50pm
  @Lack of Wisdom New York State law is directed at private businesses that provided goods and services to the general public. They rent out their farm to the general public, they are subject to New York State’s Public Accommodation’s law which prevents discrimination base on sexual orientation.
  
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- The Giver
  Posted on October 23, 2012 at 9:32am
  Private property and religious belief are always attacked in socialist countries. Do you really want to marry at a place that doesn’t want you there. Lawsuits are one of the reasons some people will never vote for gay marriage. You can force tolerance, but that doesn’t make it acceptance. I would “move on”. The lawsuits hurt their cause and can affect other states that are currently considering it.
  
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- bannedfromCNN
  Posted on October 23, 2012 at 3:11pm
  ANALCOM – please wipe your chin.
  
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- Wisdom7
  Posted on October 23, 2012 at 4:57pm
  @Encinom
  
  Well I guess the argument gay marriage doesn’t affect the rest of us goes out the window. I guess if they get sued and have to close their business or be forced to go against their principles you can sit back and smile. You’re a pathetic human being.
  
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- encinom
  Posted on October 23, 2012 at 8:12pm
  Wisdom7
  Posted on October 23, 2012 at 4:57pm
  
  @Encinom
  
  Well I guess the argument gay marriage doesn’t affect the rest of us goes out the window. I guess if they get sued and have to close their business or be forced to go against their principles you can sit back and smile. You’re a pathetic human being.
  __________________________________________
  Here is the little fact that you are leaving out, the law already had protected the couple from this form of discrimination, the business couldn’t wasn’t allowed to deny services based on sexual orientation prior to marriage law. (PS NYC wedding business is booming these bigots are fools for passing on the increase in business and deserve to fail).
  
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- Wisdom7
  Posted on October 23, 2012 at 8:36pm
  @Encinom
  
  “PS NYC wedding business is booming these bigots are fools for passing on the increase in business and deserve to fail”
  
  It is interesting that you realize the point I was trying to make about free market. Yet, at the same time state this business “deserves” to fail, which is what you want because they do not agree with gay marriage. So let me repeat the point I made before. If someone wants to cater to gay marriage ceremonies, they have just as much right to open a business that does so and get all of that new “booming” business you just spoke of.
  
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Ilikepeople
Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:35pm
What are you talking about, that isn’t no wedding. ‘You can try to get away with the crunch, but the crunch always gives you away.’

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AvengerK
Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:35pm
And so this is how it will go….if you don’t agree with homosexuality and all it’s games you will be sued into submission. A private business does not wish to provide its’ facilities to a homosexual marriage so instead of moving to a business that will accomodate them..the homosexuals instead choose to litigate against this business.

When a conservative doesnt’ like something..he or she chooses not to buy it or endorse it, they move along.

When a liberal doesn’t like something, he or she makes sure that no one can buy it or endorse it either by law suit, government mandate or intimidation they don’t move along.

This is the slippery slope of homosexual marriage being recognized at the federal level….you exercise your conscience and choose not to participate in the delusion of “normalcy” the homosexual lobby wishes to impose on society..you will be litigated into submission. Your freedoms take a backseat to the protected classes like homosexuals. And if you think your church will be exempted because of protections it has under the constitution just look at how Obama treated the Catholic church with Obamacare. How Sandra Fluke treated a Catholic university. Let’s not stand on any misgivings here…we’ve seen how the left will treat any resistance to it’s agenda once a federal mandate is passed.

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- Lord_Frostwind
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 3:07pm
  I’m going to borrow a line from a movie I recently saw, “If you feel you have the right to use force against me, then show it for what it is: Bring guns.” -Hank Rearden.
  
  They want to believe they have the right to demand what they want, that any opposition against them can be stifled, then perhaps it is time for them to show it for what it really is and stop pretending this is some noble quest, they are still in dogged pursuit of the “Tyranny of Equality.”
  
  You want to be treated decently from me, as far as I am aware I already do that. You want me to grovel before you, to tell you my God is wrong, and then go out of my way to say something I believe is wrong is right. That is not going to happen. The only groveling will be from a warm, lifeless, corpse.
  
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huey6367
Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:34pm
I fyou can’t win through debate then you resort to legal maneuvers.

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- DRsnapper
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:43pm
  if they dont take gov money they can serve whomever they want ,end of story
  
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- floridareader
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 2:56pm
  The best part is the farm will have the same effect gays brought unto Chick-Fil-A: more business and tons of support from Americans.
  
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Kaoscontrol
Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:33pm
I’m going to rent the local Gay bar for a prayer service… Oh, wait— they won’t let me do that! I’m gonna’ sue ‘em for discrimination.

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- mikem1969
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 3:20pm
  LOL let’s go even farther than that, let’s hold a convention for traditional family values at a gay and lesbian bar and see what happens. They will pitch a freaking fit and won’t let it happen. Then we start suits against themfor discrimination.
  
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- Thunderchild
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 3:40pm
  ROFLMAO!!! Good luck with that one! They won’t let you get past the front sidewalk.
  
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chips1
Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:33pm
Please delete the picture. Please! Please! Please!!!

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- Female
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:39pm
  Funny how hollywood has such pretty lesbians, but life tells a different story, huh? The one with the glasses gets to wear the dress!
  
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- Mil-Dot
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 4:13pm
  Yeah, this smells like a setup.
  
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biohazard23
Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:33pm
No, they don’t want equal rights, they demand special rights. Take your ***** wedding someplace that will welcome it. You’re not special because you choose to be in a gay relationship. Deal with it.

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momrules
Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:33pm
These people, the owners of the farm, have every right to refuse service to the homosexuals. It is their property, their personal beliefs, their right to choose.

The homosexual couple is being militant, bullies, demanding their way, filing claims and potentially a lawsuit. This is how it starts.

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- Cavallo
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:42pm
  You are not free, they are not free. You will do as the State demands you to do. Personal, religious, or ethical beliefs mean nothing.
  
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- Popp40
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:48pm
  This is more than just suing for “discrimination”. They are trying to make a point and force their way of life on us. If you don’t comply they will sue and even if they don’t win they will drag your business through the dirt and destroy you so other businesses will be to afraid to fight them
  
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- randy
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:54pm
  I just sent the farm owners a little note of support.
  
  http://libertyridgefarmny.com/directions/
  
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- icecream
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 2:08pm
  I believe you are 100% right.
  
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- Popp40
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 2:17pm
  @Randy. Thank you. I sent them a message of support as well.
  
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- ChrisDiamond
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 3:00pm
  @CAVALLO
  
  That is the truest statement I have read all day. It is simultaneously the saddest thing I have read all day.
  
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jackact
Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:32pm
Each time I am reminded of militant feminism I feel compelled to dine at Chick-fil-A.
Why is that?
:)

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- biohazard23
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:43pm
  If you’re going, I’ll take a spicy chicken sandwich, please!
  
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- jackact
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 2:59pm
  Waffle fries?
  
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- biohazard23
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 3:37pm
  Oooh, yes, please! If you get a side of BBQ sauce for dipping, that would be great. Thanks, sweetie! :)
  
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IMCHRISTIAN
Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:32pm
They must be like some Democrats as they want to force their agenda on others.

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coyote1hell
Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:31pm
They look like sisters, is that legal in NY..??….also…dogs..?…pigs…??…

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coyote1hell
Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:30pm
This is what you get with Buh’rack, and Buh’loomberg….You Pinko Liberals make me sick….

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Jenny Lind
Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:29pm
If it is against your religious principles you have a choice. Frankly, I wouldn’t want a wedding where someone didn’t think it was right, but getting a free wedding elsewhere paid by for the folks who wouldn’t allow us on their property is a nice piece of revenge, and that is all it is. Hope the owners prevail in court..

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- Cavallo
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:38pm
  There are ways around this stuff. Market a wedding club to family oriented families as defined by the club. You join the private club after being “offered” membership, you pay your club “dues” and then you are allowed as a benefit of membership to hold a wedding under the minimal guidelines of the organization. It won’t be long though before homosexuals attempt to use the force of the State to force their way into private clubs and religious organizations. You are not free. Make sure you thank a vet for your lol freedoms.
  
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honor007
Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:29pm
They built that Farm/Business. It is their choice alone as to whom they choose to do business with. Period.

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- Southerner01
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:35pm
  But… wait… THEY built it? I thought the government built it by putting a road nearby and having schools. Are you saying that’s not true?
  
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- AvengerK
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:36pm
  No..they didn’t build it…government made it happen. Right?
  
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tonypro
Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:27pm
GREAT for this family standing up for what they believe in.
We need more of this from the majority to shut the minority up.

Enough is Enough.

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Fat Pappy
Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:27pm
Hummmm! I guess some folks are not familiar with the old business of “We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone!”, which has been a staple of private business for as long a I can remember. Sounds reasonable to me that in business, if I own something, I have the right to sell it to whomever and whenever I choose, or not.

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afishfarted
Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:24pm
this is the second suit reported in a week. It’s gonna go all the way to the supreme court, and we know we can’t trust them with private property rights.
Interestingly, astudy reported last week on WND states 3.8% of adults consider themselves LGBT, yet they are forcing — FORCING –their agenda down the throats of the reast of us. No pun intended

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- AvengerK
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:44pm
  AFISH…remember of this 3.8% most of them are people who have tried homosexual sex but aren’t homosexuals.
  Strict homosexuals are consistently less than 2% of the population. And notice the lie they perpepuate? They want the world to believe that they’re genetically predisposed to be homosexuals…that they’re “born this way”. Yet the LGBT umbrella is not strict homosexuals but a conglomeration of people with sexual identity issues. A transgender individual doesn’t necessarily couple with the same sex. Bisexuals can drop the practice once they choose a mate. These are all variations on the human sexual psyche. They’re psychological states, not genetic ones. Yet if the homosexual lobby is to be believed, being homosexual is as inocuous as being left handed. Tell me..when homosexuals comprise 61% of new HIV cases in this country each year..that’s from less than 2% of the population…how inocuous is that..just like being left handed or something right?
  
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Tri-ox
Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:24pm
Apparently, obama’s lesbians aren’t very bright.

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- huey6367
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:35pm
  It’s two emotionally charged women. Would you expect less?
  
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- rolex1965
  Posted on October 23, 2012 at 9:56am
  Women ??????
  
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mariarmcdavis
Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:24pm
So let me get this straight. Not only do they want preferential treatment, but they also want to force private property owners to be at their beck and call. Disgrace.

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- Female
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:33pm
  You don’t get it because you want to get it “straight”. (lol) Sorry Maria, I thought I’d share this thought before somebody mean chose to
  
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- encinom
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 6:54pm
  No, they want businesses to comply with New York law.
  
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- MuleePete
  Posted on October 23, 2012 at 12:04am
  So if the LAW sez it is ok to nullify one persons Constitutional rights in favor of a States legislation, where does it stop?
  
  Italy 1922, Russia 1924, Germany 1932, China 1945. Just a few of the governments that had the LAW on their side. The people had nothing. What to tell the dead about the LAW.
  
  This is the only place on the face other earth for these…..people…..to get “married”!
  
  Welcome to the 21st Century folks. The children are beyond correction. GOD help us.
  
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- TedBohne
  Posted on October 23, 2012 at 12:19am
  hate it when pesky things like the LAW get in the way…I have never seen a more hypocritical bunch then on here….yeah the LAW is good, as long as it suits our way of life…if not that LAW is illegal.
  
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- The Gooch
  Posted on October 23, 2012 at 9:55am
  Uh, yeah. Because progressivism (a.k.a., govt. mandated nihilism) only works thru an all-powerful authoritarian approach to dealing with all of those pesky individuals who just won’t fall in lockstep like the really smart and enlightened people know they should. Haven’t you been paying attention?
  Always amusing to see the progs and nihilists play the concerned capitalist role and (even funnier) assert they care about individual rights. This is nothing less than slapping the dirty rubes around. “We’ll show them!” Zero tolerance is a very progressive mindset, don’t you know?
  
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