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Oct. 22, 2012 11:10am Billy Hallowell

The Rev. Phil Snider of Brentwood Christian Church in Springfield, Missouri, is making headlines after a video seemingly showcasing his views on gay rights at a local city council meeting went viral.

During his address on August 13, 2012, Snider warned of the “immorality” inherent in passing Ordinance No. 2012-226, which would add sexual orientation and gender identity to Springfield’s list of non-discrimination rules (read the full ordinance here). But in a surprise turn of events, the speech’s true intention was exposed as Snider concluded his speech: To showcase the supposed bigotry espoused by those who oppose equality.

Rev. Phil Snider Stuns Politicians in Viral Gay Rights Speech | Segregation

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As the video unfolds, Snider frames gay rights as being opposed to Biblical values. He delivers his message with great passion and fanfare. Interestingly, his argument hinges upon the notion that, by passing protections for homosexuals, his rights — and the rights of other religious people — will be infringed upon.

“Any accurate reading of the Bible should make it clear that gay rights goes against the plain truth of the word of God,” he proclaimed at the hearing. “It’s not that we don’t care about homosexuals, but it’s that our rights will be taken away, and un-Christian views will be forced on us and our children, and we’ll be forced to go against our personal morals.”

But then, the surprise moment happens. The Daily Mail has more:

Then in a shocking twist, he utters the word ‘segregation.’

‘You see the right of segregation,’ he says, pausing to shuffle his notes. ‘The right of segregation,’ he slowly continues, ‘is clearly established by the holy scriptures both by precept and example.’

Faces in the crowd sitting behind Snider look visibly upset and shocked by his mention of segregation.

Seeming confused, Snider apologizes, saying, ‘I’m sorry I’ve brought the wrong notes with me this evening.’

That’s when Snider lets everyone in on his act.

Snider tells the audience that he borrowed his “argument from the wrong century.” Rather than stating his own views on gay rights, the preacher had taken comments from white pastors who supported racial segregation in the 1950s and 1960s. He simply swapped out the words “racial integration” for “gay rights,” thus making the same arguments in an effort to showcase what he sees as bigotry.

The audience, though, should have caught the clue at the beginning of his address that he might be up to something. When Snider commenced his speech, he said, “I stand before you tonight in support of this ordinance.” Of course, those watching quickly forgot these words once he launched into his faux commentary against gay rights.

“I guess the arguments I’ve been hearing around Springfield lately sounded so similar to these that I got them confused,” he said of his pro-segregation quotes, going on to urge the city council to pass the amendments to Springfield’s ordinance.

Watch his speech, below:

On Saturday, the pastor responded to the video going viral and to the intense interest that has followed his speech. He wrote:

The last few hours have been a bit of a whirlwind for me, to say the least. I’m really heartened by all of the emails, Facebook messages, and kind words that I’ve received over the last 24 hours. As I read each one, I don’t see them simply as messages that seek to affirm a particular talk I gave on a particular night in Springfield, MO (as grateful as I am for such affirmations), but rather, I view them as a reflection of the thousands — indeed, the millions — of people who, on a daily basis, are journeying together because we believe that our world can be a better place, a fairer place, a more beautiful place — for all people and not just for some — and we won’t stop calling for a more beautiful world to be born. I’m also grateful for all of the people who have come before us — many whose names history won’t recall — who have allowed us to be where we are now, on whose shoulders we stand. These folks may not be famous — more times than not they are friends or family members who have bravely told their story, often in the face of major consequences. They are the ones who have brought us to this place, and we carry their stories with us as we try to build a a more just world. [...]

A lot of people ask, “How can a pastor who values the Bible take this kind of stance?” Truth be told, there are a bunch of pastors and people of faith across the country who are open and affirming — not in spite of their faith, but precisely because of it.

Read his entire response here.

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Comments (425)

WSGAC
Posted on October 22, 2012 at 11:53am
Maybe the good pastor should also substitute the word incest, or beastiality, or pedophilia in that paper he is reading from. Pick your debauchery and demand a special status.

My horse and I would agree with the good pastor’s point. Mr. Ed is much happier in my home than in his barn. Wouldn’t you agree good pastor?

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- Chiso
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:02pm
  He’s gay.
  
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- Kaoscontrol
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:13pm
  So true. Snider seems to be standing with evolving cultural and moral relativism, rather than with biblical teaching.
  
  He’s says he’s grateful for…”indeed, the millions — of people who, on a daily basis, are journeying together because we believe that our world can be a better place, a fairer place, a more beautiful place — for all people and not just for some — and we won’t stop calling for a more beautiful world to be born.”
  Beauty? One man’s “beauty” is another man’s perversion.
  
  Snider’s comment sounds more like what John Lennon sang about in that classic utopian-new-age ideal “Hymn” ‘Imagine’ than sound biblical teaching.
  
  One man’s “beauty” is another man’s perversion.
  
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- danielmchick
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 2:23pm
  In what way is homosexuality equitable to those sexual tendencies you listed?
  
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- Prosecute_Constitutional_Treason_In_Washington
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 2:26pm
  I don’t know if he is a closet homsexual. I suspect he is. What I do know is he is not a Bible believer. The Bible is very clear. This man should be fired if the church believes the Word of God.
  
  Here’s some of what their church web site says they believe followed by my comment.
  
  We believe that love, not doctrine, holds us together. (SATANS LIES)
  
  We believe it is important to take the Bible seriously, but not always literally. (SATANS LIES)
  
  We believe being stewards of the environment is a deeply spiritual act. (SATANS LIE)
  
  We believe the wisdom offered from other faith traditions can complement and enrich our spiritual journeys. (SATANS LIE)
  
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- Prosecute_Constitutional_Treason_In_Washington
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 2:27pm
  If you read the churches web site, nothing he says is shocking. These people may not even be saved because of what they believe…
  I don’t know if he is a closet homsexual. I suspect he is. What I do know is he is not a Bible believer. The Bible is very clear. This man should be fired if the church believes the Word of God.
  
  Here’s some of what their church web site says they believe followed by my comment.
  
  We believe that love, not doctrine, holds us together. (SATANS LIES)
  
  We believe it is important to take the Bible seriously, but not always literally. (SATANS LIES)
  
  We believe being stewards of the environment is a deeply spiritual act. (SATANS LIE)
  
  We believe the wisdom offered from other faith traditions can complement and enrich our spiritual journeys. (SATANS LIE)
  
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- johnjamison
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 2:41pm
  I would seem the good pastor has determined that todays morality is dictated by social acceptance rather than the 2000 years old words of Christ. I think he might want to put down that bible and wrire his own as what he preaching goes against the words of Christ. While Christ didn’t condemn someone on thier faults he also didn’t accept them as moral. His words were no man is without sin but ask for forgiveness and you’ll recieve it. He didn’t say everyone approves it must be right
  
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- black9897
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 3:28pm
  Morally speaking it’s always been clear the Bible says homosexuality is not something God approves of. Legally speaking it’s no one’s business and the government should stay out of defining what marriage is.
  
  The arguments for racial segregation biblical or otherwise have always been objectively wrong.
  
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- cessna152
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 4:08pm
  What a messed up Pastor. Being a Christian in a Church you can be any race…. you simply can not be a blatant sinner misleading the Church. Mr Pastor, read 1 Corinthians chapter 5 and tell me what you think. How about Romans chapter 1?
  
  Paul makes it REAL clear in 1 Corinthians 5..”1 Cor. 5:11 (NLT)
  What I meant was that you are not to associate with anyone who claims to be a Christian yet indulges in sexual sin, or is greedy, or worships idols, or is abusive, or a drunkard, or a swindler. Don’t even eat with such people.”
  
  See, you missed the mark on that and you just exposed yourself as a flaming liberal. They used to use this lame argument years ago when we came up against them in our school district. If you’re asking Christians to “drop” what God tells them and follow what man threatens them…well, who do you think they’ll listen to? God or man? I’ll trust and follow God. Oh and remember that teachers will be judges MUCH more harsh especially those teachers that twist the word and mislead others.
  
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- January24
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 4:26pm
  There are a bunch of non-Christians posing as Christians — and even, yes, as pastors.
  
  What was it that the Bible said about being wary of posers like this? It says they will become even more prevalent as time goes on.
  
  And speaking of “Christian” churches. There is one “Christian” denomination which is no such thing — the Evangelical Lutheran Church. And there are three well-known members of this tiny denomination — the BTK killer in Kansas, the abortion doctor who would kill babies right up to the day before their due date and James Holmes. What are the odds? Think about it. Those three fine people all members of the same “Christian” denomination. As I said — beware of wolves in sheep’s clothing.
  
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- bgotts27
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 4:28pm
  Daniel, in EVERY way.
  
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- DrFrost
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 4:42pm
  They’re trying to use the government to silence a group that vocally opposes their beliefs and/or ideals. The very fact that they’re comfortable with this approach tells you that they don’t care about religious freedom or freedom of speech. These people are actually far less tolerant than the ones they are trying to silence.
  
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- colt1860
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 4:43pm
  When fathers start demanding that their “civil right” to marry their 25 year old daughter be recognized because they’re both in love and they’re are both consenting adults, I want these dispicable “Christians” to be the first in line right there with their fellow perverse cohorts. Who decides what’s immoral? Is incest immoral? Is incest a right? Who decides? Society, nature, the state, one’s community, or individuals? Human passions, desires and emotions do not define laws or rights. Common sense, sanity and reason has obviously escaped the liberal’s mind.
  
  Thomas Jefferson said, “The practice of morality being necessary for the well being of society, He [God] has taken care to impress its precepts so indelibly on our hearts that they shall not be effaced by the subtleties of our brain. We all agree in the obligation of the moral principles of Jesus and nowhere will they be found delivered in greater purity than in His discourses.”
  
  Charles Carroll, signer of the Declaration of Independence, said, “Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments.”
  
  Don’t forget that our forefathers appealed to the Supreme Judge of the World for the rectitude of their intentions.
  
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- encinom
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 4:54pm
  @Cessna
  
  Its better to be Christ like than Paul Like. Christ associated with the sinners, Christ cared about the person.
  
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- danielmchick
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 5:03pm
  @Bgotts –
  
  Glad to see you’re up on that whole “critical engagement” thing the cool kids are on about. I guess that doesn’t fit into your worldview.
  
  The motto for Blaze readers, apparently: “Ignorant fools does a happy God make!”
  
  As a Christian, I weep for the state of the minds of you people.
  
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- Sosorryforyou
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 5:16pm
  I would venture to say almost 100% of the homosexual community would say that they are born this way and that it wasn’t a “chosen lifestyle”. Who am I to say differently? You all can believe the words in a book to tell you differently if you want to, but for my part, I believe we all know in our hearts where our sexual preference lies, and I will believe that what’s in the hearts of my gay and lesbian friends, neighbors, and fellow citizens is as natural, human and God-inspired as what’s in my own heart. Remember Christians, if you believe in the Christian God than you must believe that he exists whether or not the Bible was ever written. If you are a believer, than you must realize that the heart of God exists without the words in the Bible. And, by saying you put more value in the words in the Bible over what God has put in our hearts, you are casting aside the very essence of who God really is. Believe the words in a book, or believe what God has put in your heart. They aren’t always one in the same, and, for my part, I will always look to my heart, especially when deciding how to treat all of God’s creation.
  
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- Individualism
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 5:30pm
  the christian version of the Muslim brotherhood.
  
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- capnjack2010
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 5:40pm
  It’s real simple kids Jesus warned us of many false prophets any Christian preaching gay rights and acceptance of that behavior is a false prophet and should be ignored
  
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- colt1860
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 5:47pm
  Hold the presses! Adulterers have civil rights too. There should be a government law that prohibits discriminating against ANY two people madly in love. Anyone who opposes infedility and adultery is just full of hate and intolerance! An adulterer deserves special privelages and special treatment, their human also. Society must accept their behoviour, and the law must protect them… They’re just in love and want the best for each other. Who cares that a husband of one wife is sleeping around with another women. That husband was born with a burning lust for very pretty woman. He’s been like that since his youth. He can’t control it. It’s his natural right. God made him that way.
  
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- colt1860
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 6:06pm
  @Sosorryforyou
  
  “And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.”
  
  “And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not. Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.”
  
  “For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.”
  
  “Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.”
  
  “And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.”
  
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- colt1860
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 6:11pm
  “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.”
  
  “Lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was. But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.”
  
  “Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.”
  
  “Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. But his delight is in the law of the Lord.”
  
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- BuzzardSays
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 6:13pm
  To DanielMChick,
  Let me help you with an understanding about homosexuality. For two men it is an act that is extrememly un-natural in which one man allows his anus to be utilized by the other man as if it is a vag. The fact that the anus is the fecal matter opening designed by God for the express purpose of waste disposal should be your first hint to the homosexual man that his putting of his pen-is there might cause interaction with bacteria, germs, and sicknesses that the body is disposing of. AIDS is a direct result of this un-holy interaction between fecal matter, semen, and lust(sin). The act when spoken of as, I have here is, repulsive to contemplate and those involved in such debauchery should reconsider their foolish hearts and cease and desist from their course of perversion.
  
  Incest, pedophilia, and beastility are equally perverse acts of debauchery. All of these result in debilitating mental illness, venereal-diseases of diverse types, destroyed lives, suicide, self-loathing, and worst of all seperation from God into eternal damnation. God help any pastor who attempts to justify such sin as this Phil Snyder has done…He who scatters the flock is a criminal and a murderer. Jesus reserves special damnation for those fallen pastors who teach such foolish ways of this world. Phil Snyder will burn in hell if he does not repent and recant.
  
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- colt1860
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 6:27pm
  @BuzzardSays Don’t forget that the same goes to those heterosexuals who go sleeping about with 20 different women, or those young males who have a girlfriend, seek prostitutes, and then infect their girlfriend. It’s all perversion, curruption, and sick. There’s a reason why a young woman and man must stay pure, holy and clean, and reserve one’s love, devotion and natural desire for an intimate relationship until marriage. Fornication and adultery are in the same boat as the rest.
  
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- Sosorryforyou
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 7:15pm
  @COLT
  
  I figured I’d have Scripture quoted back to me regarding my response. Although I’m sure you believe that the Bible was divinely inspired, it still was written by humans with their own self-interests in mind, not God’s. As I said before, God existed long before the Bible was written, spoken, interpreted, etc., and no matter what the Bible says, I believe that what God puts in the hearts of his creation is what the truth is and NO words in a book, divinely inspired or not, can trump that. ALL of God’s creation should be respected just as he made them. When you use words from a book, divinely inspired or not, to justify your actions and words against his creation, you disrespect what God intended for his creation. Who are you to be so righteous as to profess that you understand the heart of God and his intent for his creation? You claim a book tells you so, but if you search long and deep enough, you may be humbled by what is truly in his heart and what he puts in your heart.
  
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- colt1860
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 7:27pm
  “I figured I’d have Scripture quoted back to me regarding my response. Although I’m sure you believe that the Bible was divinely inspired, it still was written by humans with their own self-interests in mind, not God’s.”
  
  Says who? You? Should I believe your recent, modern, bias remarks over an account recorded and diligently preserved for more than two thousand years, over many nations?
  
  “ALL of God’s creation should be respected just as he made them.”
  
  I was born with a hot temper. Should my mother respect my violent anger displayed towards her becuase that’s how I’ve always been?
  
  “The hope of a Christian is inseparable from his faith. Whoever believes in the divine inspiration of the Holy Scriptures must hope that the religion of Jesus shall prevail throughout the earth. Never since the foundation of the world have the prospects of mankind been more encouraging to that hope than they appear to be at the present time. And may the associated distribution of the Bible proceed and prosper till the Lord shall have made ‘bare His holy arm in the eyes of all the nations, and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God’.” – John Adams
  
  “The gospel of Jesus Christ prescribes the wisest rules for just conduct in every situation of life. Happy they who are enabled to obey them in all situations!” – Benjamin Rush
  
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- colt1860
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 7:32pm
  I’ll stand with the founding fathers and their understanding of our Creator.
  
  “Rendering thanks to my Creator for my existence and station among His works, for my birth in a country enlightened by the Gospel and enjoying freedom, and for all His other kindnesses, to Him I resign myself, humbly confiding in His goodness and in His mercy through Jesus Christ for the events of eternity.” John Dickinson, SIGNER OF THE CONSTITUTION; GOVERNOR OF PENNSYLVANIA; GOVERNOR OF DELAWARE; GENERAL IN THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION
  
  “While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian.” George Washington
  
  “The older I grow and the more I read the Holy Scriptures, the more reverence I have for them and the more I am convinced that they are not only the people’s guide for the conduct of this life, but the foundation of our hope respecting the future state.” (Upper Room Bulletin, Vol. 3, 1916, p. 8.) – Thomas Jefferson
  
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- black9897
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 7:44pm
  @SOSORRY
  
  I think I understand what you’re trying to imply. That you know deep down you should treat others respectfully and with love, which I agree.
  
  I would be careful when looking to your heart due to what the Bible tells us “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?” That’s part of the reason we have God’s written word.
  
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- danielmchick
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 8:24pm
  @BuzzardSays –
  
  Perhaps you should take a freshman biology course at your local university or community college. It would serve you well considering your–ahem, “enlightened” opinions on homosexuality. But, however, I’m glad you could educate me on my own experiences.
  
  Dolt.
  
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- Back To Reality
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 8:45pm
  @DanielMChick.
  
  In what way is race equitable to aberrant entropic sexual behavior?
  
  Why is it OK for the fine preacher to compare homosexuality to race, but not OK for anyone else to compare dysfunctional sexual behaviors to other dysfunctional sexual behaviors?
  
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- danielmchick
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 8:58pm
  @BACK TO REALITY –
  
  Obviously, you’re completely and blissfully ignorant of the burden of proof. You, not I, made a positive claim and thus the onus is on you to reinforce it.
  
  Therefore, answer: What about Homosexuality is comparable to those “dysfunctional sexual behaviors?”
  
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- colt1860
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 9:08pm
  Desease, and no benefit whatsoever for the betterment and happiness of Society. It disrupts the moral good, and insults the ancient and natural institution of marriage. It, like the other dysfuntions, currupts the natural use of our bodies, and promotes disorder and confusion within the surest foundation for the preservation of any society; the family.
  
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- danielmchick
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 9:19pm
  @Colt –
  
  Oh, you must be talking about one-night-stands, and those just-for-fun marriages those celebrities have. If you straight people can’t even get it right, why in the everliving Hell are you condemning people about which you apparently know nothing?
  
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- Git-R-Done
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 9:19pm
  Sosorry – Yet there’s no scientific evidence to show that homosexuality is born that way.
  
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- colt1860
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 9:57pm
  I include them all in the same boat. Fornication, Adultery, Incest, Beastiality, Sodomy, Pedophilia, ETC. They’re all perverse, sick and currupt; some much more than others, but the result nonetheless, of all of them, is a degenerate, disordinate and unstable society.
  
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- Pigpen
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 11:09pm
  Choose, white folks, choose. The Left is giving you a STRAIGHT CHOICE (pardon the pun). You can either adopt the Left and its agenda of Social Justice, Gay Rights, and Cr@cker-bashing
  
  …OR…
  
  You can forever be labeled a RACIST BIGOT. Well, “pastor”, I just gotta say, BRAVO! You WIN! I AM A BIGOT! I DO support SEGREGATION! You Lefties finally caught me! I AM A RACIST H0NKEY! AND I LIKE IT!!!
  
  And WHY am I a BIGOT? Because I was forced to CHOOSE between my Christian belief that GAY MARRIAGE is WRONG, and being labeled a BIGOT! SO BE IT! I am a BIGOTED CR@CKER! AND I LIKE IT! SO LET THE SEGREGATION BEGIN! Now what’re you gonna do? Huh? I DON’T CARE! No Gay Marriage. No Gay Marriage. I am a Bigot. I am a Cr@cker. No Gay Marriage…
  
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- Wayner
  Posted on October 23, 2012 at 12:54am
  That’s not an argument or stance from the 1950′s and 60′s. That’s God’s stance throughout the ages… it does not change because men’s desires change.
  
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- Amarath01
  Posted on October 23, 2012 at 3:15am
  You guys are so ill-informed about what the bible, what Jesus actually said.
  
  Grab say a new Jerusalem bible and then an interlinear text and read it what the bible is saying. But you don’t wanna know.
  
  If married to a christian spouse u may separate but never remarry; NEVER. You may not remarry a christian women/man who has divorced a christian (EVER). Jesus say this 3 times explicitly. (Incest, bestiality and prostitution are the only exceptions and only those). 1 Corinthians 7
  
  Jesus doesn’t want you to marry, if possible it allowed to keep u from further sin.
  Matthew 19:
  10 Jesus’ disciples then said to him, “If this is the case, it is better not to marry!”
  11 “Not everyone can accept this statement,” Jesus said. “Only those whom God helps. 12 Some are born as {εὐνοῦχος /eunouchos- a chamberlain, a eunuch, a eunuch, castrated person, or one who voluntarily abstains from marriage.}eunuchs, some have been {εὐνουχίζω/eunouchizó- make .. eunuch, to castrate, live unmarried}made eunuchs by others, and some choose not to marry[Make themselves {εὐνουχίζω/eunouchizó- make .. eunuch, to castrate, live unmarried}enuchs; ] for the sake of the Kingdom of Heaven. Let anyone accept this who can.”
  
  Matthew 9
  Separates unnatural sexual desires, from actions that are “worthy of death” which include the list from 29 on. Homosexuality is allowed to keep u from further sin (same concept as marriage). Odd no.
  
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- milez5
  Posted on October 23, 2012 at 3:29am
  Yes, it is a rotten thing that man is doing by using those words from the past against us.
  The truth is though, no one ever said that being black was unnatural or an abomination, as the bible calls homosexuality. However, it is all so true that we have allowed the fear of being called a racist to equal that of being called a Heretic in the middle ages or a communist in the 1950′s.
  It is this fear that gives such power to the mans arguments.
  
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- black9897
  Posted on October 23, 2012 at 10:09am
  @AMARATH01
  
  What about if one of them is being abused? You honestly think they should just stick with it?
  
  I’m all for two married people staying together forever, but the fact is stuff happens. Sometimes you must move on though. Sometimes marriages just don’t work and it can’t be fixed.
  
  I didn’t see anywhere where homosexuality is allowed? Are you saying eunuch is the same as being gay?
  
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- sillyfreshness
  Posted on October 23, 2012 at 2:35pm
  Where is his rampant support of polygamy? Polygamy has a natural and historical precedence compared to gay behavior which is naturally self terminating.
  
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- colt1860
  Posted on October 23, 2012 at 4:05pm
  The New Jersulamen Bible follows Roman Catholicism. Of course it’s going to say you can’t ever remarry. The OT and NT, contrary to Popish doctrine, doesn’t allow for one that is seperated or put away to remarry. One must first get a Bill of Divorcement before finding another spouse. One can get a divorce and remarry if their marriage is one that was currupt or fraudulent from the start.
  
  “And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.”
  
  Those who are put away are not considered divorced but seperated.
  
  Jesus didn’t say it was better not to marry, but that some, who are able to stay abstinent, should do so. The apostle Paul elaborated on this and said that celebacy was a gift, and not for everyone, and that the reason to stay unmarried was for the purpose of dedicating one’s whole life to God, but that if one could not maintain such a life, IT IS better to get married than to burn.
  
  H-mosexuality was never allowed by Jesus, Moses or God.
  
  “And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them MALE AND FEMALE, And said, FOR THIS CAUSE shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.”
  
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Posted on October 22, 2012 at 11:52am
His comparison of homosexual rights to civil rights is convenient, but not relevant. Skin color is benign and non-behavioral. Homosexuality is a chosen (or series of choices, much the same as those who rape, molest children, or have sex with animals).

This joke of a preacher is ignoring Bible, no applying it.

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- DIgnified
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 12:06pm
  Another idiot, another idiot opinion. Did your imaginary friend tell you that? Gay is not anymore of a choice for them than being dumb is, for you.
  
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- mrs.janet.murgatroid
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 12:11pm
  A homosexual told me it is offensive to him to be called Gay. He says he’d rather be called Queer.
  
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- TRUTHSENSE
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 12:26pm
  The Bible clearly proclaims that we are all born into sin. Our biggest obstacle may be pornography, alcoholism, a violent temper, or a hundred other things including homosexuality. Jesus Christ died on the cross not only so we would not have to pay for our sin, but also to deliver us from sins power over us. Everyone has the choice to accept the remedy God has provided and to receive a new heart. It is a choice everyone will make to accept or reject and continue in sin. So if homosexuality is not a choice, then neither is any other sin and the pedophile, the murderer, the rapist, you name it is not responsible for their behavior. We should open all the prison doors and let everyone do as sin compels them to do.
  
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- TheCalvinistPastor
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 12:37pm
  @Dignified
  
  When it comes to morality, we are dealing with “oughts” in other words, why OUGHT we do something. Skin color is not an OUGHT, its an IS.
  If homosexuality simply “IS” then you should point us to some genetic proof? Secondly, a very simple question:
  1-Do you think a pedophile has a choice?
  2- OUGHT a pedophile act on his compulsion? [weather he has a choice or not?]
  
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- OniKaze
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 12:40pm
  @DIgnified
  
  Your right in the way that it may not be your choice to be attracted to the same sex, but it IS a choice to act on it…
  
  We all know that there are people out there that are attracted to little kids or animals, but it’s a CHOICE to act on that.. Just like being homosexual may not be a choice, but behaving like a homosexual IS a choice…
  
  I have no problems with people being homosexual, I DO have a problem with people being treated as “special” because they are homosexual… Your sexual preference is NONE of my business unless it is interfering with my life, once it does IT BECOMES MY BUSINESS… And that seems to be the goal of most Homosexual advocate groups, make it part of everyone’s lives so that the people who ARE homosexual don’t feel offended, while not caring about Heterosexual people’s feelings on the matter…
  
  Is it wrong to judge someone for being homosexual, YES…. But should they be treated with kid gloves because they are?? NO….
  
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- ronin_6
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 12:52pm
  Well said.
  
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- mrsbose4jesus
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 12:54pm
  Right on Truthsense. Everyone should read The Gay Gospel by Joe Dallas. Great book using biblical evidence to dispel the notion that homosexuality is ok and it comes from a man who used to practice homosexual behaviour and is now happily married to a woman.
  
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- sWampy
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:41pm
  DIgnified nice name calling, really drives your point home!!! Of course actual science says you are dead wrong, there is no gay gene, there are no gay animals, there are just abused kids, and the sad results of those abuses. Name calling small minded idiots spreading your lies have caused millions of kids to be abuse, and I hope some day those in our society catch on to what you are doing and every one of you has to pay for the horrors you have put countless children through.
  
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- JRook
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:58pm
  Homosexuality is a chosen (or series of choices, much the same as those who rape, molest children, or have sex with animals). While I don’t necessarily support the lifestyle nor undeserved focus on it from either side of the issue. Your premise and statement is both false and ignorant. There is more than enough evidence to suggest that there are physiological differences among a portion of gay individuals. And even those that you reference who chose the lifestyle, they act on that choice with consenting adults who have made the same choice. So an analogy to criminal acts such as rape, child molestation and sex with animals while dramatic is just plain ignorant. You represent what I would term the Belief Entitled. Those that think that what they believe has merit simply because they believe it. And while that unfortunately is the only assumption that can be made regarding religious beliefs, it is not something that can be projected beyond that small world. Beliefs outside of religious beliefs that are not based on facts, scientific evidence or rational analysis are nothing more than projected ignorance. Just because you are passionate about your beliefs doesn’t make them rational or relevant. Particularly when they refer to the individual liberties and rights of other adults. Perhaps you should spend more time reflecting on what you chose to say, rather than limiting others right to chose their own path.
  
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- danielmchick
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 2:24pm
  What scientific basis are you relying upon to predicate this statement? As a gay man, I can tell you that I had no choice in this matter. Did you, as a presumed heterosexual person, wake up one day and say, “Well hot damn. I’m gonna be attracted to the opposite sex for an indeterminate amount of time.”?
  
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- rbowers
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 2:29pm
  You are absolutely right. Very good point.
  
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- rangerskippy
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 2:59pm
  Homosexuality has always been a choice. Just as shooting heroin is a choice. Generally one does not wake up one day, and decide to shoot smack into their arm. It is a serious of bad choices over time. Homosexuality is a series of choices to that often is very tied to their environmental. Abuse, both mental and sexual, into to perverse lifestyles, drugs, rape…. all of these factor into homosexuality.
  
  Jerry Sandusky is a homosexual. Was he born with an innate desire to have sex with little boys? No, he made the choice on his own, and no he is paying the consequences for that choice, just like the heroin addict will pay for his/her choices.
  
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- danielmchick
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 3:03pm
  Great, RangerSkippy, you have an anecdote. Now where is your evidence to support this claim?
  
  The fact is, you can’t support this perverse belief via any rational basis.
  
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- black9897
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 3:48pm
  I don’t think one wakes up one day and is like “hey, i like women (or men)” in the same way I don’t think someone wakes up one day and says “hey, I think I’ll cheat on my wife and destroy our marriage and our lives.” While I”m by no means a doctor or a biologist, I wonder if Epigenetics has something to do with homosexuality. As of right now there is no evidence of a “gay gene” or anything like that.
  
  I lean towards that we are more a product of our environment than the “I’m born this way or it’s genetic” which I think tends to be a big excuse these days with many things. A lot of the times people will say “well I’m pre- disposed to doing this or acting like this” thinking it means they have zero choice in the matter.
  
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- danielmchick
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 3:54pm
  Just curious, have you critically examined this viewpoint from the standpoint of a homosexual person?
  
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- mrsbose4jesus
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 4:08pm
  Having homosexual feelings is not a sin by itself, it is the acting on those feelings that makes it a sin. If as a married woman I would find myself having feelings for a man other than my husband I would need to pray for God to help me to not give into temptation and then I would need to get the heck away from the person/situation that is tempting me. We all have temptations in this life, we are all sinful creatures who want to do whatever feels good without stopping and thinking if it is morally or Biblically right. The enemy attacks us all in different ways but that doesn’t make it right. I have never had homosexual feelings so I don’t understand the temptation, but I have been tempted in multiple other ways and it is hard to say no and that is why it can only be done with God’s help. I think all of us Christians need to realize that there are a lot of people out there that are struggling with homosexual feelings and they don’t want to, and we shun them a lot of the time. What we need to do is love them and pray for them and help them because it is only something that can be helped with God’s help.
  
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- cruffler78
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 4:28pm
  If Gay is not a choice then DO tell what it is and what is not a choice? is poverty a choice? is laziness a choice? Is Theft a choice? is ignorance a choice? Is Prosperity a choice? is Bestiality a choice? Pedophilia ? Is lying a choice? does not man have a free will ? Skin color is undeniably genetic but to say homosexuality is more than a mere tendency has NEVER been proven and is only espoused by a vast minority of medical professionals. The next question is “is it moral” ? well then you must define morality and THAT presents a problem. The Bible Clearly condemns sodomy and declares it a sin. If you do not believe the Bible then I do not expect you to agree with me but please DO tell who gets to define your morality? If you do not believe God you can have no morality.
  
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- danielmchick
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 5:01pm
  @Cruffler78–
  
  Just seeing how you judge ethical standards to their relevancy to the Bible, a work of man mind you, speaks volumes. Furthermore, I’m not going to speak to the experience of others; I can only speak to mine and mine is that being gay–my feelings and attractions–are not, and have never been, a choice to me. You can keep the strawmen going all you’d like, at the end of the day, they’re still fallacies.
  
  Just to dispel your ignorance on the issue, the goal of science is not to “prove” or “disprove,” it is merely to observe. That is why religious fanatics are humorous in their attempt to deny the findings of such. Fact is, there have been scientific observations that give credence to a neurological connection between homosexuality and brain construction. >>http://playthink.wordpress.com/2008/06/17/the-gay-brain/<<
  
  Morality is one of the most relativistic studies on this planet. To prescribe morality as essentialistic, as you've done, is laughable and shameful all in one. Please, explain to me, since you made the claim, how can I have no morality if I do not believe in God–my personal beliefs notwithstanding?
  
  You creeps with no critical engagement to what you believe make me disappointed in the state of humanity. This is the 21st century, not 12th century Britain during the dark ages.
  
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- danielmchick
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 5:10pm
  @MrsBose4Jesus –
  
  Let’s be for real here for a second. The vast majority of people who are struggling with homosexual feelings are struggling because of the pressure put upon them by you ignorant folks who Bible-thump to hide your own bigoted thoughts. You use your religion as a crutch to bash and hate upon others, something of which Jesus would be quite ashamed.
  
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- mrsbose4jesus
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 5:28pm
  You are right that many homosexuals have been hurt by Christians. That is not right, but that doesn’t make homosexuality right either. I know you think it makes me sound bigoted and hateful, but I am not. I try my hardest to love everyone, but I cannot agree with something I know to be wrong. I do believe Christians do not do enough to help and love the gay community. We have to do more to show Christ-like love. But that being said, with God, we throw off our sinful natures and become new creations.
  
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- black9897
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 5:47pm
  @DANIEL
  
  I’m not speaking for CRU, but I would like to address a couple things you stated.
  
  “Morality is one of the most relativistic studies on this planet”
  
  I take that to mean you think morality is relative? If so that’s actually an absolute statement. It’s kinda the old joke, someone asks another if they believe morality is relative and they reply “absolutely.” I’m guessing you don’t believe in the Bible therefore would not use that as your standard of morality. That’s fine. However, that doesn’t mean morality is relative. We all still appeal to a universal standard.
  
  “You use your religion as a crutch to bash and hate upon others….”
  
  Sadly, there are many who hate that claim they are Christians. Yes, some do use the Bible to spread hate and their personal agenda. However, simply disagreeing or stating your opinion that it’s a choice or something else is far from hate or being bigoted.
  
  There is a distinction between disagreeing with a loving spirit and hating someone. In fact, Jesus told people many times what they were doing was wrong, though he did it with a loving heart and in kindness.
  
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- colt1860
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 6:00pm
  I was born with a hot temper. I get mad and upset very easily, and quickly. Through Christ, I’ve been able to learn patience, love, respect, peace, longsuffering, unity and joy; to treat my neighbor as I would like to be treated. Sometimes I want to just snap someone’s head off when they’re irritating, aggressive, annoying, yelling, intolerant, haughty, selfish, pushy, stubborn, or greedy, but I know that I must be considerate, honest, and courteous, at all times. I try my best to keep silent, and to let them vent. I turn the other cheeck, and do not act like them, or try to rise my self to be at their level. This is all about discipline, dedication and struggle. I do my best to stay on the right course, and to not lose faith. We’re all born with the tendency to sin, and we’ve all been tempted and will be tempted, but we must endure and do what is right, though it may be the hardest and longest road to take. Like a rebelious kid who since a very young age has without difficulty or a second thought always lied himself out of tough situations, truth will one day eventurally catch up with him, hit him like a rock, and there will be no escaping it when it comes.
  
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- danielmchick
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 8:29pm
  @Black9897
  “I take that to mean you think morality is relative? If so that’s actually an absolute statement.”
  
  No, I mean what I said. Re-read it and get back to me. In the event you still don’t understand–re: not interjecting your own words instead of mine–I’ll be happy to slow it down.
  
  “Sadly, there are many who hate that claim they are Christians. Yes, some do use the Bible to spread hate and their personal agenda. However, simply disagreeing or stating your opinion that it’s a choice or something else is far from hate or being bigoted.”
  
  Merriam-Webster defines a “bigot” as a person “who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance.” So yes, you are being bigoted when, after presented with fact after fact after fact, presenting your ignorant–and wrong–opinion on the issue, you say homosexuality is a “choice.”
  
  “There is a distinction between disagreeing with a loving spirit and hating someone. In fact, Jesus told people many times what they were doing was wrong, though he did it with a loving heart and in kindness.”
  
  You point to me any of these people in this forum disagreeing with a “loving spirit” and I’ll call you a blatant liar.
  
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- mrsbose4jesus
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 8:45pm
  @Daniel– I believe and know in my heart that I am disagreeing with a loving spirit. I am by no means perfect, I have many, many failures and am cleansed only by my Saviour’s sacrifice. I understand that you will probably not agree with me or others here. I know I am a sinner, I know that I need His help daily, hourly, minute by minute. If you do not believe that you need Jesus as your Saviour, then nothing else matters. Period. If you do not believe that Jesus died for you, then these arguments are pointless. We all need Him first before we can change our lives to be more like His. He loves you so very much and He is waiting for you if you will come to Him. I harbor no ill will towards you at all, and I can disagree while still having a loving spirit!
  
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- danielmchick
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 8:55pm
  @MrsBose –
  
  You cannot “disagree with a loving spirit” and accept that some members of humanity are not equal to you. Boom, done, that’s all there is to it. That is why you are a liar.
  
  As a Christian myself, I will not believe that a just God would willingly put me into a position to perpetually sin, either by a) lying about who I am for the rest of my flesh-and-bone life, or b) being gay. The God I serve is just, and therefore would not do that.
  
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- black9897
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 8:59pm
  @DANIEL
  
  Or you could just go ahead and tell me?
  
  That does not apply to me or anyone else I’ve seen on here. How do you think it applies? I did not see any facts…which ones are you referring to? I actually said it’s not 100% clear, but I lean towards more of an Epigenetics view.
  
  Not everyone on here is kind about it, but so far I haven’t seen anyone be hatful? Which posts do you think are hatful and not loving?
  
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- danielmchick
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 9:09pm
  @BLACK9897 –
  
  “Or you could just go ahead and tell me?” –What I said is right there. You even quoted it. Go back and read it. Try not to interject your own opinion this time.
  
  “That does not apply to me or anyone else I’ve seen on here. How do you think it applies? I did not see any facts…which ones are you referring to? I actually said it’s not 100% clear, but I lean towards more of an Epigenetics view.” –Screaming about “choice” when in all reality, objective (as humanly possible), scientific observation disagrees with that assertion is bigoted. I posted an article about brain construction and chemistry only a few posts above. I recommend you read it.
  
  In fact, here it is again:
  http://playthink.wordpress.com/2008/06/17/the-gay-brain/
  
  “Not everyone on here is kind about it, but so far I haven’t seen anyone be hatful? Which posts do you think are hatful and not loving?” –You cannot love another sentient human being while at the same time deny his right to happiness. Every single post decrying homosexuality as an aberrant “choice” falls under this category.
  
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- Git-R-Done
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 9:16pm
  Dignified – You’re an idiot b/c you can’t prove that homosexuality is born that way.
  
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- black9897
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 9:23pm
  @DANIEL
  
  Well, obviously I’m asking you to explain it. I read it, but I wasn’t sure what you meant.
  
  I was never screaming about choice. Thank you for the link. That doesn’t prove that someone who is gay is born that way. It doesn’t say that those are born with the different brain activity. It seems there is an assumption that A is the cause of B.
  
  No one is denying your right to happiness. There are some who I know are against it legally, which you would have a point there. As far as morally speaking no, that is in no way bigoted. I’m not sure how you equate saying being gay is morally wrong or disagreeing with it somehow = hate, and or being bigoted?
  
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- danielmchick
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 9:41pm
  @Black9897 –
  
  “Well, obviously I’m asking you to explain it. I read it, but I wasn’t sure what you meant.” –Apparently not. What I said is what I meant. Morality is one of the most relativistic studies on this planet. What is unclear about that?
  
  “I was never screaming about choice. Thank you for the link. That doesn’t prove that someone who is gay is born that way. It doesn’t say that those are born with the different brain activity. It seems there is an assumption that A is the cause of B.” –Yes, it does. This shows the genetic predisposition of the brain. What are you assuming, that the brain chooses one day to be different? Please, explain.
  
  “No one is denying your right to happiness. There are some who I know are against it legally, which you would have a point there. As far as morally speaking no, that is in no way bigoted. I’m not sure how you equate saying being gay is morally wrong or disagreeing with it somehow = hate, and or being bigoted?” –Uhh, yeah, they are. When people are actively pursuing, through legal maneuvers, a path to ban an opportunity to express my love for another person just because we’re different, it’s bigoted and hateful.
  
  Furthermore, yes, you are still bigoted if you must use “morality” as a crutch for your bigotry. Morality is in no way a nullifying agent.
  
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- black9897
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 10:07pm
  @DANIEL
  
  Predisposition doesn’t = no choice. Having a predisposition simply means one is more susceptible to something. If I said I had a predisposition to alcoholism it means I would be more likely to become an alcoholic than you would. Not that I’m destined to be one or can’t choose my own path.
  Not that the brain chooses, but yes it can change. Look at some people who have been in car accidents and they have suffered brain injuries and their behavior completely changes in some ways; or those who have been abused as children or suffered some sort of traumatic event.
  
  I agree with you we shouldn’t be unfair legally speaking. I don’t think government should define marriage, it’s not their place.
  
  So disagreeing with someone is bigoted now? I’m not using morality. I personally believe it is morally wrong…that’s it. I’m not forcing my morality on you, just disagreeing.
  
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- mrsbose4jesus
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 10:37pm
  I think you are putting words into my mouth. Please reread what I said. I can disagree with a loving spirit. Jesus disagreed a lot with a loving spirit, and I try to emulate Him. There is no concrete evidence that one is born gay. And, if by chance it was proven, that still does not make it right. They have found that alcoholics have a genetic predisposition towards alcoholism. Does that mean that it is ok and they shouldn’t try to change, did God make them alcoholics? No, sin in our fallen world did. Bible teaches that many “natural” states and desires are not of God and are contrary to His will. He and only He can help us overcome our temptations.
  
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- Carpe Diem
  Posted on October 23, 2012 at 9:07pm
  @Mrs Janet, yep, usually I use the term Queer when I speak of…uh..well, queers.
  
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- Chatikh
  Posted on October 24, 2012 at 6:03pm
  Nobody seems to have knowledge of biology. Things can be inherently immutable and even set from birth without being genetic. If there’s a difference in how a fetus develops compared to most fetuses, it will likely be fixed before birth unless medicine intervenes. And before anyone starts calling being gay a birth defect, being born gay would be much more preferable to being born with a heart defect, especially before modern medicine. If we look at it using science (the same science that came up with cures for congenital heart defects), removing any external negative influences on the person from being gay like bullying leads to a perfectly normal person, just with a slight difference. And we don’t have full knowledge of the human genome yet, so we can’t say it’s not genetic either.
  
  And I love it when people use the “AIDS” argument against being gay. Every time someone does, they’re saying lesbians are better than gay men and straights due to their lower STD rates than either population.
  
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- black9897
  Posted on October 25, 2012 at 12:01pm
  @CHATIKH
  
  The AIDS argument does have legitimacy. That doesn’t mean someone is better than someone else because of that. It is a huge problem and causes many, many deaths in the gay community.
  
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- ForJustice
  Posted on February 19, 2013 at 3:01am
  To those who believe that homosexuality is a choice, you clearly have never heard of science or the internet. Look up “the gay gene”. Or, better yet, I can explain how the tendency towards homosexuality occurs. As a woman has more children, especially but not specifically male children, her body becomes more and more resistant to testosterone. The level of resistance varies from person to person, but studies have found this to be a trend, that the later a boy is born in a series of children, the more likely he is to develop homosexual tendencies. I myself have met families where this is he case. As you can see, this study is specifically male based, I know studies have been done regarding lesbian children, but I’m not as clear on those results. Hope this clears up some confusion.
  
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Ilikepeople
Posted on October 22, 2012 at 11:50am
When John the Baptists disciples wondered why it was that Jesus disciples didn’t have to fast, John said when the bridegroom has left then they will fast – then they will miss the bridegroom. And I guess that just doesn’t really mean anything to people huh? I guess it’s just some rote you continue to repeat in church? So then I guess if I told you the disciples were depressed after Jesus left that wouldn’t mean anything to you? Therefore I guess it really doesn’t mean anything to people that they really do have a spiritual significant other in the earth. So then I guess when some one you know of is severely depressed it doesn’t mean anything to you when I say their significant other somewhere out there has left the room?

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- Ilikepeople
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 11:54am
  So then I guess there isn’t anything important in life that you do know.
  
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- Ilikepeople
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 12:09pm
  So then I guess it doesn’t mean anything to you that 2000 years ago people were presented with the truth, but then you were cheated out of the truth.
  
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- Ilikepeople
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 12:18pm
  Moreover it doesn’t mean anything to you that Romance Novels for example are nothing but a [torment] for you.
  
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- Ilikepeople
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 12:19pm
  You see, you turned the earth into a living hell, and you don’t even know it.
  
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- TRUTHSENSE
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 12:31pm
  ILIKEPEOPLE, What and who are you talking about?
  
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- Ilikepeople
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 12:33pm
  So maybe now, when the Prophet’s words say that you will build houses and others will dwell in them, maybe perhaps that means just a little more to you?
  
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- Ilikepeople
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 12:37pm
  Now people who become bitter from reading these things will say “What are you talking about?” and “You’re off your meds.” And they’ll say that because they are unclean displayed through what comes out of their mouth.
  
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- Ilikepeople
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:22pm
  So maybe some can plainly see who have eyes, that the example above about Romance Novels is the same thing true about many things that feed an economy, and if you know the truth you won’t want to buy them. Basically if you put the economy before the true – I surely don’t know you.
  
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voting-for-romney
Posted on October 22, 2012 at 11:49am
Uh, what part of the 1st Amendment that says the government can interfere with an establishment of religion, marriage, by redefining the meaning of it, is there any room for debate? If you go beyond that simple fact, or if you like, cross that line in sand, you’ve given away your civil rights?

Your civil rights, includes the 1st Amendment, which says the State can not interfere with an establishment of religion?

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- DIgnified
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 12:03pm
  ‘Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.’
  
  It doesn’t say that. It say their cannot be an official religion. So keep the mythology to yourself. For being supposed ‘constitutional experts’ republicans sure dont know s h it about it. If you want to believe in magic and monsters to compensate for lack of education, fine. Just stop wanting others to be ignorant too.
  
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- dissent
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 12:47pm
  Dignified displaying the shocking ignorance of liberalism here in all it’s glory. It’s no wonder Obama has a shot at reelection. The sad thing is, these mindless liberal idiots don’t even seem to be aware of just how misinformed they are. Luckily for us, not using your mind makes you dumber over time, so hopefully it won’t be much longer before liberals can’t operate a computer anymore.
  
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- SocialistSlayer
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:08pm
  can tell ”Dignified”s daddy used to come in his room after mommy fell asleep……
  
  :) — LOL !
  
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- encinom
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:14pm
  DIgnified the Beckerheads repeat the same arguments from the past, they are called out on this and are too stupid to realize the truth.
  
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- theotherberean
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:55pm
  Atheism is a religion.
  
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- TJSON
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 2:03pm
  If atheism is a religion, then we should start getting tax exemptions.
  
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- theotherberean
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 4:04pm
  For what? Intolerance and bigotry?
  
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- TJSON
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 5:01pm
  You say it’s a religion, and religious institutions get tax breaks. Is that not how things work in this country?
  
  With regards to that stereotypical intolerance practiced by fundamentalist atheists, I’m afraid I have no idea what you are talking about.
  
  Atheism isn’t actually a religion, it is simply a lack of belief in god, gods, or more generally, the supernatural. It doesn’t say anything about a person’s capacity for tolerance or for bigotry. For that I’d have to point you in the direction of organizations like the Westborough Baptist Church.
  
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- colt1860
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 9:02pm
  When people say atheism is a religion, they are referring to the overly exagerated and sarcastic phrase “militant atheists”, and not necessarily to all atheists, or atheism in general. That is, it’s made in connection to those who treat atheism as if it were a religion. They defend it, abide by its defacto creed, share it, express it, spread it everywhere and anywhere, and fight any who oppose it. They hold strong to their belief and won’t compromise. They see any attempt of promulgating any differing belief as a threat, and will therefore try to advance it where possible, and exalt it above all others. They are Jihadists in their own minds, and will sue, transform and change society, Governments and culture to fit their agenda and belief.
  
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- colt1860
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 9:59pm
  … Of course, they usually turn out to be ultra leftists, Marxists, anarchists and liberals.
  
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benahan davids
Posted on October 22, 2012 at 11:46am
If you are in favor of taking their rights because of what you believe be prepared to have your own rights taken for what someone else believes.

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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 11:53am
  That be no pastor of God as will be exposed by the resurrection/rapture http://youtu.be/ahEVxIzlxwo
  
  This is pure apostate emergent church garbage
  
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- orangetom1999
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 12:00pm
  This issue is not about rights…it is about whoredom and selling everyone down the drain for votes.
  In short it is about politics/whoredom for votes.
  
  What the Word/Bible teaches about separation is that Believers are to separate from that which the Word teaches us is mixing leaven with uneven…new wine with olde. The ways and traditions of the world with God’s Word and way.
  
  It says nothing about Race. For all that matter …people are referred to in the Word as Nations..not in the man made tradition by race. Race in the Bible refers to running a race or winning a race..not by the man made belief system. By the man made system of today..Race issues are being used to divide us asunder ..not to unite us. Same with the gay issues. …to divide people..not to unite them.
  
  This issue in its attendant whoredom is being used and manipulate to force people to give up their religious beliefs and follow the world template. by force and coercion if necessary. And the body politic along with it’s shills..the news media, is helping to carry this out on a mostly unawares public…by default.
  
  Following the world template is to follow after the god of this world for those who know how it works.
  
  For there exists no instruction ever..for the Believers to define themselves by their sexuality or sexual orientation….ever. For Believers know this is abomination. For the nations surrounding Ancient Israel were doing this abomination themselves at their holidays and festivals
  
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The0bserver
Posted on October 22, 2012 at 11:45am
This is what happens when men do not want one Pope, but think that each man can be his own pope. (This is the essence of Luther.) And what’s with this “shocking” speach garbage? Nothing shocking about this at all. Wouldn’t we expect false “prophets” to do just this, to make bad good, and good bad, to be deceiving?

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- SquidVetOhio
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 12:55pm
  What are you talking about? The Pope is an apostate to those of us who are not catholics. The Pope believes that he has the authority to forgive sins. This is blasphemy. I try not to pick arguments with Catholics because I like and respect them, but if your going to come on here and trash us non-Catholics, I’m going to own you with factual theology. BTW, the Pope says that being a homosexual is not as sin as long as you don’t act on it. Jesus said that lusting in your heart is the same as adultery. Perhaps you should get your Pope to straighten the Lord out on that.
  
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- SquidVetOhio
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:07pm
  Also, Peter was married (disqualifying him from becoming a Pope I believe), Jesus had brothers and sisters and Mary did not remain a virgin after Christ was born and she was not sinless as she admitted herself. These are all undisputed facts backed up by history and archaeology as well as the Bible.
  
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- encinom
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 3:42pm
  SquidVetOhio
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:07pm
  
  Also, Peter was married (disqualifying him from becoming a Pope I believe), Jesus had brothers and sisters and Mary did not remain a virgin after Christ was born and she was not sinless as she admitted herself. These are all undisputed facts backed up by history and archaeology as well as the Bible.
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  Hating homosexuals is not enough for you, must you also attempt to demonstrate your bigotry against Catholics.
  
  Marriage is not a disqualification for being a Pope, especially, in St. Peter’s case where Christ named him to that position, as the rock the church would be built on.
  
  The Catholics believe and the bible supports, that Mary was sinless, she was born with out the stain of original sin (hence the term Immaculate conception). Nor is there any evidence in history or archeology.
  
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LOJ
Posted on October 22, 2012 at 11:44am
The Judgement is coming for sin period! Sin if followed by suffering and repentance, and history repeats itself…..The results are Salvation and Victory…but the suffering will become quite apparent to people who Go against God’s words and commands. Jude 1:7 “Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange, different, or other flesh, are set forth an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.” Strange flesh refers to that to which is forbidden by God for us to have, (it is outside the bounds of God’s laws; hence the term sexual deviance means, (to deviate from what is acceptable by God.) It is obvious that people are going to disobey God and learn the hard way…man proves to be a hopeless and stupid throughout history!

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Lotus503
Posted on October 22, 2012 at 11:41am
I’m all for EQUAL RIGHTS. Why should anyone have more or different rights than anyone else? Giving one group more ‘rights’ is nothing more than plain discrimination against anyone not belonging to that group.

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- TheCalvinistPastor
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 12:45pm
  @lotus
  
  You are simply parroting the same mantra by re-framing what rights are. Since when was sexuality a “right”? since when was marriage a right?
  Marriage, just like baptism and communion are religous institutions. The problem is when government puts its filthy hands into religious practices and starts to tax them.
  Now it simply becomes an issue of fairness. The Gay community now wants “equal marriage” in the name of “equal rights”
  Not even considering that marriage was never a right in the first place, anymore then baptism or communion! lol.
  
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- SquidVetOhio
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:00pm
  Exactly, That’s another reason to be AGAINST gay marriage. Currently, gays have the SAME EXACT rights as straight. We can not marry the same sex either. The fact that we don’t want to is irrelevant. For gays to not have equal right, they would have to be classified as a different race of people. So, the burden of proof is on you to prove that. And what race would bisexuals be? You and I both know that is not anatomically true. The DNA of a homosexual is the same as a straight man.
  
  Your argument is illogical. We currently have “equal rights”. What homosexuals want is “special rights”.
  
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- encinom
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 3:30pm
  And we are back to making the same arguments that the Southern bigots used to deny marriage rights to interracial marriages.
  
  Two straight people have the right to marry a person of their choosing, yet because of the back dated religious beliefs of some of Americans, a homosexual couple is denied the same right.
  
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- SoNick
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 4:19pm
  @Lotus503
  gay rights advocates only demand equal rights under the law. There,s nothing special about it.
  
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- edmundburk
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 9:06pm
  Could enimacommie be a catholic? SHUDDER………..
  
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- TRUTH4U
  Posted on October 23, 2012 at 2:42pm
  Gays ALREADY have the same rights as ANY MAN or WOMAN! You’re supposed to have some other rights because of who you have SEX with?
  
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djhrr
Posted on October 22, 2012 at 11:40am
Too Cute By Half….
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I am one that believes that marriage is an act ordained by God. The Government has no biblical authority to say who can and cannot get married.
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I think that this fight is being fought on the wrong battle field. In fact, I think this is a fight that should not be a fight.
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I may be wrong, and I’m willing to be, but that is how I feel after much prayer.

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- orangetom1999
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 11:50am
  THe gay issue, just like issues of many minorities, is about votes for close elections. It is about votes and only votes from a political standpoint. In this arena the body politic is willing to sell anyone and everyone down the drain to cater to this group for votes.
  
  Certain government groups therefore have a vested interest in keeping these groups in the public eye and see as “Victimized Groups. ” And the media is a willing accomplice in this devout and zealous religion of the body politic for votes.
  
  No one in their right mind …gay or straight both… defines themselves by their sexuality or sexual orientation and then by this phony placebo issue..demands respect and recognition of others …or else. You have to go to public school and get a education in emotional entitlements to get this naturally dumb.
  
  I am not saying that people do not have sex or sexuality..but more importantly …that people are more than sex and sexuality….much much more. When you realize this deep down in your very soul…you then realize that our leaders are deceiving us on this issue for the votes they can get by whoring everyone out to this phony template. Both our leaders and the media are whores and selling all of us short on this phony issue.
  
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- NobleDar
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 11:59am
  You are dead on. I hosted my local Pastor for lunch a couple of weeks ago and asked how he can justify the homosexual activism with the ELCA joining in supporting homosexual pastors and marriage. I have been struggling with turning my eyes from the issue and moving on with business as usual. My Pastor is in his first call after seminary, and he flat out disagrees with the position of the ELCA and homosexuals. He will not take another ELCA job and follows the option of not supporting the ELCA homosexual agenda locally. This position is unacceptable to Christians of Faith, and as active lay minister I have not been in the ELCA church for a couple years. The Bishop of ND brought a gay activist pastor to our church, he left for larger community after he was flaunted his queer(odd) gay lifestyle and became the gay activist of the democratic party and the Bishop continued allowing the man to preach and wear the garb of a Christian.
  Sum it up. The bond between a man and woman at marriage cerimony is religious rite, and nothing to do with the laws of man!
  
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- orangetom1999
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 12:15pm
  When I say that our leaders are selling us short on this phony issue of gay rights..I mean both political parties..Republicans and Democrats both. For most of them have college educations and cannot be that naturally and giftedly stupid that they do not realize that an intelligent thinking person never defines themselves by their sexuality or sexual orientation ever.
  
  But an emotional train wreck who believes in Entitlements does exactly this….defines them defines themselves by sexuality or sexual orientation coupled to their “Victim Status.”
  
  They have a vested interest in keeping this type of confusion going…in order to default through.
  
  And both political parties cannot be that dumb that they cannot figure this out for themselves.
  What they are is working together against the bulk of Americans on this issue..good cop bad cop and not allowing you to think for yourself.
  
  When you realize the more serious issues facing this nation…jobs, the economy and terrorism….and at the same time watch leadership catering to this issue as something of importance….you begin to question their ability to genuinely lead….all of them. That they are worried about sexuality and sexual orientation….Wow!!!
  
  How do you take someone like that seriously?? I mean both political parties??
  
  I hope by this posting that some of you begin thinking for yourself and reason…not emote.
  That is how they put you on their phony puppet strings…they default you without you knowing
  
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Gunonesis
Posted on October 22, 2012 at 11:34am
One a pickle sniffer, always a pickle sniffer!

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GumRock
Posted on October 22, 2012 at 11:32am
1 man ~ 1 Woman. unless you want to be married to Multipul Partners.
I think there’s a word for that

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- SoNick
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 4:23pm
  I don’t know what that word is, but considering you spell multiple multipul, I,m not sure I want to know
  
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Common Sense 24
Posted on October 22, 2012 at 11:32am
Isaiah 3:9

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godlovinmom
Posted on October 22, 2012 at 11:32am
Is this “pastor” gay???

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Hollywoodron1
Posted on October 22, 2012 at 11:31am
Gay is a RACE???? Really??? Next thing, we will have to put Transexual as a RACE. And Gambler as a RACE. And Alchoholic and Stoner as a RACE…. And Polygamist, and Hedonist… And we’ll have to accept them all and not “segregate” or judge them either!

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- godlovinmom
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 11:42am
  christianity as a race…with no rights I might add :(
  
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PUMABydesign001
Posted on October 22, 2012 at 11:31am
Being a Black American, I am not amused by Reverend Snider’s speech. While he is referring to intolerance, there is nothing intolerant about the homosexual community.

In fact, this is more about the hijacking of the civil rights movement by attempting to align the gay rights movement with the civil rights movement. The two are like comparing apples to oranges.

I repeat, gay rights is not a civil right PERIOD.

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- momrules
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 11:41am
  I agree with you.
  
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- godlovinmom
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 11:45am
  Me too… and quite frankly…if anyone should speak out against this…it should be you, my friend….nice one!
  
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- Git-R-Done
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 9:19pm
  Puma – Amen to your comments.
  
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RAMJR
Posted on October 22, 2012 at 11:30am
Wolves in sheep’s clothing, never was so clearer.

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- justangry
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 11:34am
  This thread has nothing to do with Romney…
  
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- Anonymous T. Irrelevant
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 11:59am
  ANGRY
  This is not a Romney website, it is a news and opinion blog site.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:04pm
  Well it’s not news. It’s religious altruist propaganda, but that post was in jest hence the dot dot dot.
  
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ChiefGeorge
Posted on October 22, 2012 at 11:30am
The bible says they will trade the truth for a lie and to beware of the dual minded man. I think he clearly demonstrates this.

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- Ilikepeople
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 11:37am
  Doesn’t it make sense that the Lord God rules the universe? Then, doesn’t it make sense that all things are within the scope of the Lord? Then, doesn’t it make sense that God lets all things happen so it can glorify his word? Moreover whereby God can explain it.
  
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- Oneirishman
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:03pm
  @ILIKEDEADPEOPLE
  Souldn’t you be sitting on a ledge somewhere, getting ready for your finally flight?
  
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- Austen1775
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 2:03pm
  oneirishman-
  
  SOOO Hilarious!!!!
  
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- Prosecute_Constitutional_Treason_In_Washington
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 2:30pm
  Yup, this man has traded Holy Bible truths for a lie. Thats for sure. If you read the churches web site heres some of the lies they believe…….
  
  “We believe that love, not doctrine, holds us together.” (SATANS LIES)
  
  “We believe it is important to take the Bible seriously, but not always literally. ” (SATANS LIES)
  
  “We believe being stewards of the environment is a deeply spiritual act.” (SATANS LIE)
  
  “We believe the wisdom offered from other faith traditions can complement and enrich our spiritual journeys.” (SATANS LIE)
  
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sta
Posted on October 22, 2012 at 11:27am
Wonder how it feels to offend every African/American who listens? Comparing gay rights to the civil rights of those who cannot change the color of their skin is detestable.

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Lordchamp
Posted on October 22, 2012 at 11:25am
There shall be false prophets arise among us.

I believe these folks will be the recipient of a special kind of wrath from God as things unfold. I pity them for their twisting of Biblical doctrines to fit THEIR agenda rather than God’s agenda. No way, no how can a truly righteous, common sense person interpret anything in the scriptures to support homosexuality in any way.

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SREGN
Posted on October 22, 2012 at 11:24am
In the latter days will come false prophets

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- Cherbear
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 11:32am
  @SRGEN My initial thoughts exactly. There is a pastor who hid his gayness from his congregation for 7 years and had the audacity to say to one of his younger parishoners that because of their age, he felt they’d understand. I know we are to love everyone, love the sinner, hate the sin; but lest we forget, we will be judged according to our inactions too.
  
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Gonzo
Posted on October 22, 2012 at 11:23am
When you get sued for refusing to perform a marriage for two guys, you have nobody to blame but yourself Rev. Snider. Or will you gladly do it? Probably will.

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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 11:30am
  GONZO, I hope this guy’s church sends him packing since he simply does not preach from the bible, but from popular opinion. He may as well be discussing Dancing With The Stars.
  BTW, congrats on your guys defeating Kentucky. Looked like it was a tough game too.
  
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- hi
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 11:34am
  Exactly. They can have their civil unions but are not happy. Their agenda isn’t marriage, but their agenda is shutting down the church.
  
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Ilikepeople
Posted on October 22, 2012 at 11:23am
The thing about gays is that they are whole. They have no rib they are looking for.

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- Ilikepeople
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 11:28am
  Now, they can get married on paper, but they won’t ever be married, and they’ll always cheat on each other.
  
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termyt
Posted on October 22, 2012 at 11:21am
Comparing gay “rights” to civil rights is a false pretense.

Minorities were being denied the rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness – all three of the named inalienable rights mentioned in the Declaration of Independence.

What rights are homosexuals being institutionally or effectively denied?

Anyone?

Marriage is not a right. it is a contract. The state reserves the right to regulate contracts in a way the protects the rights of both parties as well as encourages the kind of contracts that benefit society as a whole. Without that contract, all, homosexuals and heterosexuals alike can consort with anyone of their choosing without state intervention. (And even sodomy laws are going away, preserving that real right.)

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- godlovinmom
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 11:44am
  What rights you say…I guess the right to have sexual perversion anywhere and everywhere they feel like it…us big bad christians are keeping them down.
  
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- blackyb
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 1:42pm
  If he is not he has missed his real calling. The wrong century? God does not operate in centuries. God said, and He meant it is sodomy and is an abomination. God is the great I AM.
  
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- ForJustice
  Posted on February 19, 2013 at 3:09am
  Are you kidding me?? People are oppressed by your stupid beliefs!!! Gay people can’t get married without the christian community going nuts?? It’s none of your ******* business what they do, let them be “immoral” if they want to be! Why should YOU get to decide? You aren’t special, you’re NOBODY. Just because you happen to subscribe to a belief where an imaginary sky god loves you doesn’t mean you get to say what’s right and wrong. These people are denied marriage rights, visitation rights if their partner is in the hospital, and more! What if in my ancient book written by a different god told me that straight people couldn’t get married? Should I be able to vote that you have to divorce your husband or wife and be treated like you’re some piece of garbage? If your god is for such things, he truly is a heinous monster.
  
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TJSON
Posted on October 22, 2012 at 11:20am
Way to make Christians look good!

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NoFameLost
Posted on October 22, 2012 at 11:18am
The problem here is that segregation was not accepted by orthodox Christianity. It was fringe church elements distorting the Bible to support their position. It was the Baptists and Christian Reformed who stood up against slavery and segregation. In this case, orthodox Christianity understands homosexuality to be wrong and is actually citing specific places in the Bible.

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- termyt
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 11:22am
  Excellent point. It was Christians that spearheaded the end of slavery and segregation.
  
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- godlovinmom
  Posted on October 22, 2012 at 11:31am
  I might add to your comment…when you hear Black Americans talk about slavery and how bad our white for fathers were…well how about them white for fathers that fought against slavery…regarding homosexuality and for that matter women’s rights…what rights????… To be sexually immoral and kill your babies…ummm what?
  
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