So What Exactly Do We Know About What Happened in Libya? Here’s a Comprehensive Recap
Memorial Service Held For U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens Killed In Libya. (Photo: AP)
Based on numerous expert-interviews conducted by TheBlaze, and our myriad past reports on the crisis in Libya, here is what TheBlaze has found out:
The breach on America’s diplomatic outpost in Benghazi that left Ambassador Christopher Stevens, two Navy SEALs and an additional civil servant dead, is a foreign policy debacle so colossal, so convoluted, that piecing together its moving parts may be nearly an impossible feat. Yet, that is precisely what we are going to attempt to do.
The Obama administration, according to former CIA officer Clare Lopez, armed Libyan “rebels” with rocket-propelled grenades (RPGs), surface to air missiles and other weapons to topple Muammar Gadhafi and forces loyal to his regime. In 2011, these rebels were successful in their goal, ultimately torturing and killing the country’s longtime dictator before dragging his body savagely through the streets. Those rebels also turned out to be members of al-Qaeda and al-Qaeda affiliates.
The Situation As It Appears
The al-Qaeda rebels allegedly sought to oust Gadhafi because ironically, he had been cooperating with the U.S. to snuff out their presence in Libya. However, the Muslim Brotherhood, which had been coordinating with the U.S., offered its assistance in dealing with other insurgents in the region in exchange for help in crushing the Gadhafi — and likely Mubarak — regime.
Middle East experts including Stephen Coughlin, former chief prosecutor of the Blind Sheik Andrew McCarthy, Daniel Pipes of the Middle East Forum, along with Lopez, posit that the Muslim Brotherhood has been working with the U.S. on which factions to aid with arms and which it should not.
Recall that the U.S. had partnered with Gadhafi ever since he complied with U.S. demands that he abandon his nuclear and biological weapons program. Nonetheless, the Obama administration abandoned it’s agreement to continue joint cooperation with Gadhafi.
Since Gadhafi’s death, al-Qaeda’s only counterbalance in Libya has seemingly been removed, thus it stands to reason that the terror group responsible for the September 11 attacks has now been left uncontested to spread through the region like a cancer.
Benghazi — as an extremely volatile, America-hostile town — was a place where no U.S. diplomatic outpost should have ever been situated in the first place, according to McCarthy. However, Benghazi is a well known weapons location point, which might explain what Ambassador Christopher Stevens was doing there to begin with.
It is also believed that Stevens knew trouble was brewing, which is why he requested additional security for his outpost in Benghazi.
Theories
So now that we’ve covered what we know, there are still questions and suspicions regarding what we don’t. Case in point: There are experts, including former CIA officer Clare Lopez, who believe Ambassador Stevens may have been a “pointman,” or “official liaison” in this weapons-running scheme as he worked directly with Abdulhakim Belhadj, who serves as “emir” or commander of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG). Through Belhadj, it is believed that Stevens supplied weapons for rebel forces in Libya and later to Syria via Turkey.
Why Ambassador Stevens and three other U.S. civil servants were killed by the very rebels they appear to have been aiding remains unclear, though theories abound. One is that the U.S. outlived its usefulness to al-Qaeda operatives on the ground in Libya. Another is that Assad, incensed by U.S. aid to rebel factions in Syria sent word, perhaps through Iran, to organize an attack on U.S. assets. Of course, this all remains speculation for now but one thing is certain — something is surely rotten in the state of Libya.
Suspicions
Mahmoud Ahmedinejad and Recep Tayyip Erdogan (Photo: AP)
It is widely known that President Obama has maintained warm relations with Turkish PM Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, having spoken no less than 13 times by phone last year alone. The New York Times even reported that in June, CIA operatives were on the ground in Turkey helping opposition forces and it is known that Stevens had met with a Turkish official the night of his demise. Also no secret is the vitriol shared between President Bashar al Assad and Erdogan, who is said to harbor a personal vendetta for the Syrian dictator.
Claire Lopez, a former CIA officer, spoke to TheBlaze at length about the mentality at play with a contingent in the U.S. who do not see the Muslim Brotherhood as violent nor a threat to U.S. interests. She believes that the U.S. is, in effect, helping the Muslim Brotherhood come to power in Egypt, Lybia and perhaps soon Syria.
Foreign policy expert Stephen Coughlin agrees, and thinks the trend is “disturbing” to say the least, not to mention a tremendously destabilizing turn of events that can turn the entire region into Muslim Brotherhood ground that will soon engulf Israel.
Lopez believes Jordan and perhaps even Saudi Arabia may be next and that Israel’s future hangs in the balance.
Did the Administration Watch the Attacks Unfold and Do Nothing?
Lopez, who worked as a CIA officer for 20 years, said she has never seen a situation where a U.S. facility is under attack and no one from the administration sends help.
Cameras positioned in the compound, as well an aerial drone taking pictures of the U.S. outpost in Benghazi, are said by Lopez to have been fed live into the State Department, Pentagon and likely the Situation Room in the White House. Lopez wondered who was watching the attacks unfold and yet sat idly by and did nothing.
As to why this would have happened, Lopez remains unsure, but one theory is that since the administration was aiding the rebels, they may not have believed their own eyes as the attack unfolded.
It has also surfaced that a series of emails to the administration immediately following the attacks revealed that the al Qaeda group Ansar al-Sharia in fact took credit for the attack. In addition, repeated requests for help by our envoys on the ground in Benghazi to the administration went unanswered.
“Maybe they did not know people were actually dying,” Lopez attempted to reason before explaining that President Obama, Hillary Clinton, James Clapper, and General David Petraeus must have known what was occurring on the ground in Benghazi.
While these events may be difficult to believe, part two of this report will unveil the potential motivations for aiding those who seek to harm the U.S. under the guise of the greater good.
[Stay tuned: TheBlaze will return on Thursday with a follow up article, complete with insightful interviews with foreign policy experts including Stephen Coughlin, Daniel Pipes, Andrew McCarthy and Clare Lopez.]
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vbklein
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 3:24pmIS there any evidence that, or official stating that his was a botched kiddinaping? And possibly planned to give plausability to release the Blind Sheak in exchange for ambassador stephens?
The SEALs honorably disobeying orders to save and protect the ambassador could have disrupted the plan? Remember how we heard that individuals reentered the burning structure because they had inadvertently been separated from the ambassador and could not find him? He knew how bad things were and to be in Benghazi on 9-11 w/o security???
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SITDOWNANDSHUTUP
Posted on October 25, 2012 at 8:48pmVery nice comprehensive recap.
Going forward, here is a comprehensive 10 point plan of what will be done about this cowardly act and blatant cover-up:
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Nice list, eh? The sychophantic MSM will viciously protect their precious Barry. If Hillary flips some docs like Klein says Bubba is urging her to do, the MSM will crucify her.
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DEFCON4
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 8:38pmIt’s truly sad that we “lost” four Americans in this horrible debacle. However, to make matters worse the administration “Spun” a fictious lye [ you-tube video] to hide behind. Most of us, on the “Blaze” can see what’s behind the “curtain”. But, after switching back and forth between abc.,nbc,and cbs.evening news tonight it’s clear that they are continuing to hold-up the “Curtain”.I know the majority of voters get their mis-information this way, and for one this makes me really ef’in MAD!
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soybomb315_II
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 10:56pmgovernment lies all the time and gets away with it
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LeFaux Jew
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 8:35pmhttp://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/report-syrian-rebels-acquired-surface-to-air-missiles-1.455228
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/glen-doherty-navy-seal-killed-libya-intel-mission/story?id=17229037#.UFI5Sq57-F9
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LeFaux Jew
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 8:46pmFree Syrian Army = Al Qada
Disgusting.
Petraeus needs to step down.
Men of honor sometimes turn the wrong path.
Who would ever have believe Lance Armstrong was a drug dealer and user, and would be stripped and banned for life.
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robbiehawk
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 8:14pmOh my – watching O’Reilly with Bob Beckel and he had the audacity to say that “this Bengazhi thing is much ado about nothing!”
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DEFCON4
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 8:42pmSaw it to, Robbiehawk, Bob Beckel gives new meaning to the word “Idiot”…………
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godlovinmom
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 9:08pmI swear Bob Beckle will be the reason I stop watching the five…my husband says its because we have to hear how stupid they really are…I already know how stupid they are…I don’t want to hear it day after day…if I wanted that…I’d go over to CNN or something like that…Bob’s gotta go..lol
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SITDOWNANDSHUTUP
Posted on October 25, 2012 at 9:01pmPlease refer to my comprehensive 10 point plan for the MSM (see above)
That is about the 10th time I’ve read or heard the phrase “Much ado about nothing”. Must be their talking points. Bobby is so far up BS/BO’s colon he’s like a tick that just will not come out.
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PaxInVeritate
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 8:06pmYep. The ones the U.S. Gov gave (not happy about that either) and which Saddam said he didn’t have to the U.N. weapons inspectors. But let’s return to that pesky yellow cake that Gen. Powell reported to the U.N. about, the stuff that he and Bush “lied” about. Oh, that’s right… Saddam only had 500+ Metric Tons for nuclear power plants… just like Iran. Nothing to worry about. No… not a thing.
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strawberry411a
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 8:02pmBiblical. The anti-Christ is alive and well and living in the Oval office.
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Max jones
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 8:44pmActually, schweetheart, .Obama is an itty bitty devil……The ‘boss’ has his ticket to ride and will punch in soon enough.
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philipzhao
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 8:59pmWatch Obama’s Satanic eyes during the debate! The scary stares are the same often seen in horror movies.
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progressiveslayer
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 7:22pmThis entire Marxist regime is GUILTY of treason and congress should draw up articles of impeachment ASAP,oh what am I thinking congress is filled with candyass pustules on humanity with no back bone and waiting for the election to see what they should do.Those bastards watched four Americans get killed and did nothing! They make me want to vomit on their worthless vermin faces,that lying stick figure Marxist MULATTO jug eared smiling jackal MUST be defeated at all cost.
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godlovinmom
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 7:27pmI’m gonna have to totally agree with you on this one…****** me off!
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toiletclogga
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 7:55pmThe one thing I know about Libya is that people are not talking about an even bigger failure in foreign policy, and an even bigger cover up and lie in “Fast and Furius.” Do you notice how nobody is even talking about this any longer?
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godlovinmom
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 8:01pmToilet..thats because there is so much to talk about…can you imagine…after Obama is gone…what we will find out :(
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G man
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 8:39pmToilet…fast and furious is a fly fart in a hurricane compared to this. We ran 400 tons of arms into Libya. This administration is arming the Muslim Brotherhood.
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Max jones
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 8:46pm“For this cause will God send upon them a great delusion, that they should believe a lie….”
The ’cause’ is to get proglibs exposed for what they are; murderous anti-Christians.
Somehow, these people are going to get organized, and really start to believe the great evils in their undisciplined lives, are actually caused by Christians…..like homosexuality would magically not be deviant if Christian people would not point out that God, himself, called it an abomination….or that abortion would not be murder if Christians would not maintain conception as the start of human beings. I did not say these people are deluded, God does, and takes responsibility for it.
There was no written law, when Cain slew Abel, but the Lord called it murder, nonetheless Cain ‘spiritually’ knew it was wrong. Ecclesiastes teaches us that there is nothing new under the sun. Human nature and the nature of God have NOT changed. Not one jot.
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godlovinmom
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 10:24pmMax…you will be persecuted in my name…comes to mind.
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Wool-Free Vision
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 10:59pmMax, that’s one of the best comments I’ve read. Anybody who quotes or draws from Ecclesiastes or Proverbs is wise indeed. Consider this a thumbs-up.
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godlovinmom
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 11:02pmWoolfree..I love proverbs…especially that proverbs 31 lady…she’s hard to live up to tho!
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nzkiwi
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 7:13pmLet’s look at Mr Erdogan, the Turkish prime minister. Mr Obama considers him to be a close personal friend and a “critical ally”.
He was jailed in Turkey for public incitement He is a devout muslim and pushes for shariah. He has stamped on free speech and censored the internet. He has packed the courts with his own appointees and been criticised for “threats, insults and hostility” towards the justice system. He supports the Muslim Brotherhood.
The Turkish parliament has authorised war with Syria, but Mr Erdogan has said that he will not go to war – yet.
Now to Syria. Syria’s rebels are Muslim Brotherhood and Al-Qaeda backed. The wish to continue their “arab spring” which is placing the levant nations in the hands of the muslim brotherhood. The rebellion isn’t going so well and Turkey is actively assisting the rebels and threatening Syria with open war, but so far lacks a credible excuse. The Muslim Brotherhood wants Syria. They also want Jordan. The rebellion is not going well, so terror has been employed.
The Muslim Brotherhood, our clear enemy, is attempting to establish a solid block of nations from which to assault the free world, starting with Israel, and begin establishing the Caliphate.
And now it appears that Mr Barack Obama has been actively supporting the rebels, Al-Qaeda, and the MB in their attempt to establish this block and achieve these objectives through his close personal friend, Mr Erdogan.
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nzkiwi
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 7:55pmAnd, by the way, congratulations on the “weaving”, Tiffany.
Your post is truly excellent work.
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nzkiwi
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 8:11pmAnd if I might add one other thing. I think that it is high time that Saudi Arabia was put under the microscope.
They have touted themselves, and been touted by others, as a staunch friend of the west. I don’t think that they are. I think that they are complicit in all of this. I have little evidence yet but I’m working on it.
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NOFX
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 7:11pmWhy are you saying “we’ll never know what really happened on 9/11 at Benghazi until Stevens’ autopsy report is released”? He died of smoke inhalation. Why are you saying that the answer to that question will explain everything? That doesn’t make sense!
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MikeNelson
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 7:44pmIf there is an autopsy report, I can’t find it.
A Google search of “Ambassador Steven’s autopsy report” reveals that an autopsy was planned on the body, but no info on the actual report, which should be completed by now.
Please give us a link to the report.
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Eastinfection
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 8:30pm“He died of smoke inhalation”
Was that before or after he was publicly raped and sodomized by his attackers?
Several sources provided video proof of this in the 24hrs following his death which were viewed by many (including myself & other Blaze posters) All of these videos have been scrubbed. Several sources have attempted to re-post this footage in the weeks since. They get ripped down as soon as they are posted.
You will never see this autopsy.
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MikeNelson
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 9:48pmMr. NOFX: It has been about 2.5 hours since I challenged you to produce a link to the autopsy report.
I jus’gots to know what’s in it. Help!
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NOFX
Posted on October 25, 2012 at 12:00amI can’t find an autopsy report. I’m not a conspiracy theorist so I don’t know what is going on in your heads. Whatever happened, I think Obama and Hillary knew about it and Obama did nothing. I am not 100% sure but the article does say something like it’s possible they were caught off guard and didn’t know what to do (but I doubt that).
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MikeNelson
Posted on October 25, 2012 at 6:34am@NOFX: I can’t speak for others, but what’s going on in my head is hardly conspiratorial. I just would like to know the truth about the murder of Ambassador Stevens and three other Americans in Benghazi on September 11, 2012. We were told that a mob, angered by a YouTube video, attacked our consulate, torched the building and Ambassador Stevens died of smoke inhalation in a safe room. The autopsy report would confirm or dispel this. I suspect he was murdered, and his body desecrated by the mob. The Obama Administration, always eager to paint a happy face on Islam and to downgrade the strength of AL-Quaeda, is withholding the report in the spirit of this policy, a policy which also dares not mention the word “terrorism” in conjunction with Muslims. Should you or anyone else ever find this report please share it with me and the other readers of the Blaze. Thank you.
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MikeNelson
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 7:07pmWe will never know what happened in Benghazi on Sept. 11 until Ambassador Steven’s autopsy report is released. What are they hiding by keeping it a secret?
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Really2012
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 6:59pmWhat it comes down to for me is that you really can’t trust anything the WH says.
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PIGSWILLNEVERFLY
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 6:38pm1. Why did Clinton, Rice, o, and Carney keep pushing you tube video as cause? THEIR MAIN OBJECTIVE IS UN RESOLUTION 16/18 – Remember WE CANNOT TALK BAD ABOUT ISLAM. That is the main point they wanted to make and was their plan all along….all along….all along. Taking away our Constitutional Rights is the TOP of UN and ADMINISTRATION AGENDA.
2. Why where no security sent to Bengazi and security that was there removed? MB is running the policy and the corrupt MEDIA will cover for them. MB running policy in WH and 0 is a COWARD he only votes present.
3. Why were no forces sent to help in Bengazi when they knew in real time of the attack and could get help there within 45 minutes? Again UN Resolution 16/18 is their main focus and MB is running policy in mideast for WH. 1500 MANPADS still missing and these are capable of shooting down planes. 0 is a COWARD and only votes present.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 6:47pmsome of us are not surprised when the government lies to us….others are
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nzkiwi
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 7:30pm@ Pigs
I think that the suppression of free speech (16/18) is a handy side benefit.I believe that the main purpose of the video distraction was to draw attention away from the fact that the Obama administration has been actively supporting our enemies, that is the Muslim Brotherhood and Al-qaeda.
In this the administration has been, at least up until now, supported by the naivety and sycophancy of the mainstream media. That, thank God, is clearly changing.
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Max jones
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 9:33pmPIGS….hey bro, Much more info out this evening. Obama is through.
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godlovinmom
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 10:50pmEastinfection…exactly!
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ladyluck2449
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 6:36pmhttp://patdollard.com/2012/10/breaking-obama-caught-arming-al-qaeda/
This makes a lot of sense…..
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The_Almighty_Creestof
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 6:32pmLet’s get down to the “real deal” …we tried through nefarious means to control other countries that we should ignore and allow to rot instead. Our country’s arrogance and overly inflated ego lead us to think we could use and manipulate them…but they turned out to be using and manipulating us the whole time…and still are at this very minute. They are masters at the game.
We need to face reality and walk away from these animals and take our troops, money & technology with us. Watch Israel’s back and let the rest kill each other. If the people there really wanted change…they’d handle it themselves. Instead, the only thing they WANT is to trade places with the guy holding the whip.
And now we act surprised when they take advantage and bite the hand that feeds them? We act surprised that the government covers it up…because if the truth of the attack comes out, ALL of the truth comes out.
Obama or his henchmen go to jail? Get a clue guys…Obama, Geithner, Holder, Clinton…none of them ever pay…and they never will.
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amunderdog
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 6:30pmI was reading a theory just after this happened.
They thought: Ambassador Christopher Stevens was supposed to be kidnapped not killed.
Then Barry/hillary could have negotiated his release and been golden for the election.
When there plans went bad they panicked.
How do we get the United States Military to arrest Barry on charges of treason?
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The-Monk
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 6:37pmThe Military can’t do that…. takes an Act of Congress I’ve been told.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 6:49pmarrest Bush/Cheney first, and then Obama
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 7:00pmAwww hell SOY, don’t be such a wuss. Grow a pair, and lets start with indicting Andrew Jackson.
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2MINUTESTOMIDNIGHT
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 7:05pmIf Soyburger “grew a pair” his panties wouldn’t fit.
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godlovinmom
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 7:31pmI was just having a discussion with someone online..about folks like Soy here…and quite honestly Soy…if you don’t want to put America first before your so called conscience…voting libertarian and all…why are you even here…most people on here are outraged at this…libertarians are no better than librals!..ya the republican party is broken…America is broken..lets fix her together!
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nzkiwi
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 7:41pm@ Monk
You’re right. The thought of the US military arresting a sitting president is frightening. It would be a coup d’etat (which is french for coup d’etat) and create a constitution crisis from which America might never recover.
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justangry
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 8:08pm@godlovinmom, I’ll take the liberty of answering that question for Soy. Hasn’t GB stated many times he was a Libertarian? So a better question would be why would anyone that isn’t a Libertarian come on his site? Well we know that GB has abandoned that philosophy, but we still have folks we enjoy on here to exchange ideas with and to challenge us.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 8:40pm@godlovinmom
Thanks for asking. There are so many things you dont understand. For instance, when i say that Bush/Cheney are quilty (just like Obama) for lying to the American people and resulting thousands of American deaths, you say i am not putting america first??? You are the one not putting America first!
If all you care about is Republican winning elections – then libertarians are the great satan. But if you care at all about making this country better – you should see us as a guiding hand. When you go against the Constitution, freedom, and the founders, that guiding hand will slap you in the face. You say “let’s fix this together”, but you reject nearly every libertarian idea and you continue to expect us to support RINOs
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Eastinfection
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 8:45pmJUST…..
Well said.
Many on here don’t realize that this is an open forum.
I am a Libertarian.
I have chosen to vote for Romney.
I don’t consider myself to be a Republican and i refuse to blindly champion the GOP.
I am voting for the Repub candidate because i hope he will give my Conservative customers the confidence they need to give me more of their money.
I like hearing from Neo-Cons, Libs, Paulbots, Constitutionalists, Commies, etc. here.
I wouldn’t have it any other way.
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Eastinfection
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 8:51pmSup SOY?…
also well said by you… except for the “guiding hand” comment…
..perhaps a little condescending? LOL
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soybomb315_II
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 8:59pmIt is unconscionable for someone to say we are not putting America first when all we want is a Constitutional government.
Slapping someone in the face is the best time-honored way to wake someone up or resuscitate them….Abyss?
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Max jones
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 9:03pmSOY….Maybe it is my ‘evil’ upbringing, but I would take twenty more years of bush better than one more day of Obama. I like fighters. I detest cowards. I know that you have perfect hindsight and see things so clearly now but you don’t have my confidence.
I do not believe you, that is all.
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godlovinmom
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 9:04pmokay soy and the rest..tell me this..are you gonna waste your vote…by voting for whomever…because that’s exactly what will happen…this is looking to be a close race my friends…and in my humble opinion…you guys are making it closer…we can and will fix this nation…together..and God willing get back to our constitutional ideals…hopefully Mr. Romney will surround himself with libertarians and republicans (democrats can take their ideals and go home)…I do like ALOT of libertarian ideals…just don’t fully agree with some…thats all I was trying to convey guys!
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Max jones
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 9:16pmSOY…..Why don’t you run for office? You know all your wishy washy crap won’t fly, just as paul’s flimsy reasoning never will.
You can’t take rule of law into a lawless place without force, and you can’t win hearts that are hard as a rock.
Have a tee shirt made that says “I”M on YOUR Side”, and walk through downtown Ann Arbor spouting all the libertarian garbage you always come up with and witness for yourself…..reality, as it comes to find out what your shirt means.
Where the rubber meets the road, your reasoning makes not one whit of difference. Never will.
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Eastinfection
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 9:18pmI hear ya Godlovin….
my favorite quote is from Bob Dylan… “we all basically feel the same we just sell it from another point of view”.
YOU think the future is tomorrow….
SOY, JUST, and to some degree myself, think tomorrow is a done deal, and the future is all the time that occurs after tomorrow…
Romney is an oil- change when the real problem is that the entire engine is about to seize. These guys don’t think its prudent to invest in the oil change if it’s only going to keep the car moving for a few more “tomorrows”.
They want to rip the engine ASAP.
I’m a cheap- a$$…. I’m voting for the oil change.
PS… SOY..”Slapping someone in the face is the best time-honored way to wake someone up or resuscitate them”
Maybe… but it’s also assault.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 9:18pmIf you say we are ‘wasting our vote’ then you really dont understand….There are many reasons why I cannot vote for Romney which I/we discuss at great lengths all the time.
The only ‘wasted vote’ is voting for someone that you do not believe in – that is what the founders believed.
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justangry
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 9:28pm@GodLovingMom, I HATE both candidates equally. Now, if I were going to go the lesser of two evils rout, Obama would get the nod, ONLY because Romney’s foreign policy is much more aggressive and the advisers he’s surrounded himself with are monsters. It’s kind of a if we’re going to crash, might as well be because we gave away too many phones rather than because the world’s lobbing nukes at us kind of a deal. So if you really want the fascist to win, you really wouldn’t want to force me into a either/or decision anyway. We’ve seen countries take a hard right away from socialism and survive, but the fascist countries seem to go down HARD. I’m waiting to see how Gary Johnson is polling closer to election day. If I think there’s a shot at him getting 5% of the vote to make the Libertarian Party a legitimate force in the future, I’ll vote Johnson. Otherwise I’ll abstain and not give validation to either of their tyranny.
“Only I want to make something clear, I am not a conservative. I think today’s conservatives are WORSE than today’s liberals. If anyone destroys this country it will be the conservatives because they do not know how to preach capitalism. To explain it to the people because they do nothing but apologize and because they’re all altruists. They are all based on religious altruism, and on that combination of ideas you cannot save this country.” Ayn Rand.
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godlovinmom
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 9:46pmOkay…if I looked at the way you guys do…I’m not voting for Romney cuz he is a mormon…I dislike the mormon religion…Romney was my last choice in the primaries…that is dillusional my friends… our country is indeed in trouble right now…so like I said…you vote your conscience…I’m joining forces with the likes of a chrisitan moderate conservative, at best …Mr. Romney…
I too am going for the “oil change” we’ll do the transmission later…”I hear from my husband that’s a bad one”..lol Eastinfection!
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Max jones
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 9:49pmSOYINFECTION If Obama wins the election the NWO moves in earlier….You guys have missed the bigger picture, and that is because the TRUTH of what TIME it is is not in your repertoire. You gotta have an understanding of a few ‘scriptural’ truths before you can see what’s really going on. You don’t have what it takes. I like you both, but you’re a waste of bandwidth as far as solving ANYTHING goes. I laugh at guys like you two, so full of righteous indignation and platitudes about shoulds and shouldn’ts, while you ignore the biggest causes of what is funky in D.C..
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Max jones
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 9:58pmJUSTANGRY….I say you sound like a coward, who will submit to slavery to be protected, coddled. Man up, and make a stand, this wishy washy stuff is beneath every American. I would remember you with more affection if you died tonite breaking up a barfight, than if you lived a thousand years in hiding.
Totally typical fearful yellow dog.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 10:05pm@East
Not only is the engine block bad, but the car seems to veer out of control and eat other cars. We tuck n’ rolled out of that thing and were looking for another car – but they all look the same. I came across a jet pack and I am never going back to cars (unless they put them on jet packs)
@Max
Sorry, NWO has already moved in. Elder Bush said so, those were his words. I will have nothing to do with that evil because now i know better
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Max jones
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 10:23pmSOY…..You will know when the ‘beast’ is up and running….won’t be no doubt…..
You will beg for your life, That’s all you have. You will make ANY compromise….You don’t have what it takes to stand against it (the Gospel).
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justangry
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 10:33pm@Max jones, Piss off. I didn’t like having anything to do with murdering people that didn’t do anything to me for oil. Currently the leading cause of death for our troops is suicide. Ask yourself why that is. It certainly doesn’t have ANYTHING to do with cowardice you imbecile. My position is based on reason, I’m guessing yours is based on some form of mysticism and Fox News.
@Godlovingmom, Where did the Mormon stuff come from? I don’t like Romney or Obama for the same reasons.
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Eastinfection
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 10:37pmSOY…lol.. just for you…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LX7WrHCaUA
MAX…. max… max …this one’s for you ;D.. (you should check it too SOY.. Elder Bush does backing vocals!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPlhRmRLxeU
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Eastinfection
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 10:45pmJUST… i think the Mormon stuff was GODLOVIN’s own confession, attempting to relate her hesitancy to ours. Her faith obviously is a large part of her identity (hence GODLOVIN) Don’t think she was projecting it on you or anyone else.
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godlovinmom
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 10:49pmCan we play nice or what….I seriously don’t get you libertarians…your way or the highway…nice!
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PaxInVeritate
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 11:19pmSOY… stop with the Bush/Cheney lied montra. 500+ Metric Tons of Yellow Cake is hardly a lie.
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Eastinfection
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 11:22pmGODLOVINMOM…
It’s nothing personal. If you were to put me, SOY, JUST, RESME, NORM, BROTHER W.S., INDIVIDUALISM, or any of the other Libertarians here in one room together, we would focus intensely on why we DISAGREE with each other, however subtle those disagreements may seem to non- Libertarians… It’s the nature of Liberty and Individualism, in general…
(BTW- the conf would begin with the others killing me for my Romney vote ;)
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godlovinmom
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 11:28pmOMG…LOL…I am totally into agreeing to disagree…love the debate tho!
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justangry
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 11:38pm@godlovinmom, I honestly didn’t understand where you were coming from regarding Mormons. I wasn’t trying to be vindictive. The Ayn Rand quote might seem abrasive, but I see a lot of truth in it when you follow her logic. We were founded on individualism as the only way man could be free. When we don’t defend the individual we all lose our freedom. I agree with her assessment of today’s conservatives. Comment after comment on this site demonstrates what she’s saying. I could probably scroll through this site and find 100′s of examples of people advocating collectivism based on their religious altruism. Just think about it a bit. If you ever argue for or against an issue because of it’s impact on “society” rather than how it impacts an individual that keeps us on the fast track to tyranny and think of all the protagonists in Atlas Shrugged that pushed their agenda through based on love.
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justangry
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 11:47pm@Eastinfection, On the contrary. You came by your decision by reason for self interest. That’s awesome.
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godlovinmom
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 11:52pmCan you guys even imagine our founding fathers in those rooms drawing up our constitution, bill of rights, and so forth!!!! how many different backgrounds….some chrisitans…some atheist…and look where it got us…so right on patriots…we can all agree Obama has got to go…right????…lol
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resme
Posted on October 25, 2012 at 12:02am@east, Nah i wouldn’t kill you. :)
When it comes to violence or anything of that nature, I’m a pacifist. I do support “just-war”.
Vote on, Brother!
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Eastinfection
Posted on October 25, 2012 at 12:14amGODLOVINMOM….
“Can you guys even imagine our founding fathers in those rooms drawing up our constitution, bill of rights, and so forth…?”
YES…. it’s pretty much all we Libertarians think about….
as for the rest…. MAYBE ;) …. Speaking of sugar-plums dancing in my head…. G’night all.
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justangry
Posted on October 25, 2012 at 6:32amMeh… *antagonists (Brain fart)
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soybomb315_II
Posted on October 25, 2012 at 7:45amIt’s not “our way or the highway”. I support East’s vote for Romney because he is doing it knowing full well Romney’s flaws. But Godlovin, you ignore Romney’s progressivism because he is a republican and fox news didnt tell you so. That is the difference between you and east
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godlovinmom
Posted on October 25, 2012 at 10:17amI don’t ignore anything…Like I said Romney WAS NOT my first choice…he is what we were left with…and my initial point of this conversation was the wasting of your vote…I know you don’t feel that way…I get it..I’m just not sure if sticking to your ideals right now is helping our country…which is my first concern right now…dillusional about Romney…don’t think so.
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justangry
Posted on October 25, 2012 at 4:29pmGodLovingMom, I have NO beef with folks that think Romney is, at best, the lesser of two evils and are voting for him because of that. I personally don’t agree, but respect plenty of liberty minded folks that see it as their best option.
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NotPoliticallyCorrect
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 6:27pmThank you Glenn and everyone at The Blaze. This can’t go away. If I was related to to Ambassador Stevens I would be on every kind of media every day all day talking about how Obama went to BED, Hillary went to BED, how no one could be bothered to call in the cavalry from Italy, and to cover it up threw some schlep under the bus. I hope the Karma bus hits them all. Repeatedly. Grinding the gears,backing up to do it again and again. This is madness.
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SCREW-WINDOWS
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 7:20pmWhat really happened.
Overheard at the White House (Knock, Knock, Knock) Mr. President !!! Mr. President !!!
We are under attack !!! Can you hear me Mr. President !!! (In the background) It’s no use
he’s chooming out again.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 6:24pmwere you guys jumping up and down when the government hid the facts of 9/11/2001 and gave us misinformation regarding why we were attacked?
were you guys jumping up and down when the government lied to us during the lead-up to Iraq invasion???
9/11/2001 and Iraq cost the lives of over 6,000 Americans, but you were silent or criticized those who wanted to know the truth….And here you stand crying about 4 dead Americans, only because it was a democrat president instead of a republican one. SHAME
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Just_Us2
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 6:29pmUh oh, a 9-11 truther alert….put on your tin foil hats everyone…..
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2MINUTESTOMIDNIGHT
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 6:42pmWhat little respect I ever had for Soyburger is now completely gone.
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justangry
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 6:45pmThat’s not a truther statement. That came from our intelligence folks.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 6:45pmIt is a fact that the government knew the terrorists were here and planning an attack using airplanes
Afterwards, our government told us they did it because of our ‘freedom’ but they hid the other side of the coin – which is due to our 100 year interventions around the world
As Glenn Beck says, ‘the truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off’. You guys are still in the first phase
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 6:58pmJUST_US2, Honestly, I think SOY has more of an aluminum helmet pretty well permanently attached like a bottle cap.
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2MINUTESTOMIDNIGHT
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 7:11pmIf only Gary Johnson could have saved us!
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PaxInVeritate
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 7:21pmEvery time I hear “Iraq” and the “war was started by lies”, I think about the little mentioned news story (July 2008) of 500+ metric tons of Yellow Cake shipped to Canada on a U.S. cargo ship secretly. Was it weapons grade? No. But WMD’s don’t need to be weapons grade to take 100K lives. It’s called Dirty Boom and there was enough material to make thousands. The reason it wasn’t made public about finding it in Iraq is that the coalition needed to get it out of country so the insurgents wouldn’t try to get at it. Oh and before you call this “lies” know that Canada’s Greenpeace chapter protested it’s arrival to Cameco nuclear processing center at Port Hope to be processed for fuel rods. The whole premiss presented to the U.N. for the war was Nuclear material being secretly manufactured by Saddam. Oh and then there was the old (1980′s) chem. war heads found at a depot that he wasn’t suppose to have (He never reported them to the U.N. weapons investigation team either).
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soybomb315_II
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 7:32pm@Pax
“Oh and then there was the old (1980′s) chem. war heads found at a depot that he wasn’t suppose to have”
You mean, the chemical WMD’s that we gave them?
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godlovinmom
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 7:33pmWhoops…Soy…please see my response to on amunderdog’s comment…really dude?
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resme
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 7:35pm70% of Americans thought Saddam Hussein caused 9/11 http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-09-06-poll-iraq_x.htm
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resme
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 7:42pmhttp://cnsnews.com/news/article/army-suicides-year-exceed-2012-combat-deaths-afghanistan
Sickening isn’t it?
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therealconservative
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 8:02pm@justbecauce
You don’t know jack about intell.
@soysauce
“It is a fact that the government knew the terrorists were here and planning an attack using airplanes”
Really? Show us the FACTS.
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Eastinfection
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 8:16pmRESME….
Not surprising considering only 41% can even name the SITTING VICE PRESIDENT!!!!
http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Bidenvice-presidentPewsurvey/2010/09/29/id/371976
aaarrrrggggghhhh!!!!
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justangry
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 8:23pmSpare me, @$$hole. I never said I did. I worked ops / intel for a hornent squadron and I don’t know squat other than what WE were doing. Now there are intelligence folks out there that do and have come forward to talk about “blowback”. I mean that term came from the folks at CIA. And as for your embellishments, you’re an idiot. If we take what you’ve said, you’re the baddest man alive, and know everything about everything. Even war that you were never involved in. And a thermonuclear war that somehow went unnoticed by the public at large, then you got a super extra gold star clearance. Why don’t you just tell everyone your a hot shot astronaut cowboy millionaire international playboy rock star. No one as dumb as you worked intel.
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therealconservative
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 8:34pm@justbecauce
I know you have no clue, you’ve already stated that you had to leave during briefings (No need to know or clearance). Yet you still try to give the ‘Intel view’, even though we both know you have no clue.
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PaxInVeritate
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 8:35pmDang it… I posted the reply not replied the reply. :-p
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Max jones
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 9:29pmSOY….You know son you remind me of why koolaid comes in so many pretty colors. You’ve had a decade to find proof for what you say, and except for a couple dozen U-tube fabrications,,you got nothing. No FACTS. Suppositions and theories aplenty but NO FACTS. Grow up, or I’ll paint your old sneakers with thermite. Do you believe, for a moment, that if anybody had facts to hang over bush’s head he would not have put a price on it and get rich? Seriously?
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soybomb315_II
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 9:44pmi posted a reply that contained four links in it and you could pick any one of them. Theblaze didnt post it and I am not willing to go back and find them….
The information is not hard to find and if you are expecting me to do your homework – you are no different than the libs
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Max jones
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 10:15pmSOY…If there was any truth in what you say, we wouldn’t have to go searching the web for the elusive links…….With the bitter hatred you and people like you have for the bush administration, the incriminating evidence would have been permanently etched into the sky by now. You’re reaching, but your grasp is short. What you lack is balance and discernment…You can’t get that without humility….looks like you will never.
People like yourself ‘think’ you have some kind of secret info….but it hasn’t got legs, son, can’t stand on its own. Its always gonna need help. Try dealing in facts, makes thinking more clear.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 10:46pmyou are going to feel really ashamed (well maybe not considering it is you) when the reply pops up above with timestamp from earlier this evening. Check back in the morning and i bet it will be there
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justangry
Posted on October 25, 2012 at 10:06am@MaxJones, Here’s some information on the dumb Bush for you. Karen Kwiatkowski on the lies of the Neocons. Check her credentials if you like. You’d be hard pressed to find anyone with more information on what really happened that hasn’t already told you lies and admitted to them.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/lewrockwell-show/2011/01/11/182-the-menace-of-neoconservatism/
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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 6:22pmThe entire administration from Obama on down need to resign and face criminal action in this matter.
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The_Almighty_Creestof
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 6:39pmKind of off topic…but we need to start watching the visitors log at the WH…who’s coming and going in search of pardons and commutations. Remember that walking disgrace Bill Clinton and what he pulled his last 48 hours?
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nzkiwi
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 8:06pmYou’re quite right, Snow.
Unfortunately, I expect that there will be a couple of fall guys put up to take the rap and the rest will get to walk away.
Mr Obama will get to live in luxury in Hawaii, but before that happens I hope that he will at least be impeached and received the deserved scorn of your nation and the world.
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The-Monk
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 6:20pmI just saw on Fox that a 269/269 electoral split would give us a Romney/Biden White House.
Weird…..
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saneromeo
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 8:06pmI just saw that, not since Jefferson and Adams has that happened…
http://saneromeo.wordpress.com/
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Max jones
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 10:27pmNow that would be the same as biden not showing up for work for 4 years.
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SITDOWNANDSHUTUP
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 6:17pmHmmmm……what we really know now is that this is a non-story. It should be a HUGE story, but as of this afternoon, it now a non-story. Those of you that thinks this will progress farther and deeper, are just plain old delusional. This story is so far buried that it is tough to find. (not front and center like it should be)
In fact, I believe that BS/BO will be propelled by this story and will win re-election. Crazy as that sounds, I believe that the people of America (overall) are too stupid and instead of righteous indignation, they will rally around BS/BO because he is being attacked by the mean old Republicans.
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Max jones
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 10:38pmThe media won’t touch it, and only fox has truth.
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Hero
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 6:14pmWould like to hear the panel discuss the idea that Obama missing all those intel briefings wasn’t an act of arrogance but very possibly an attempt to create “plausibe deniability”.
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NotPoliticallyCorrect
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 6:29pmYou sir, are spot on. Spot freakin’ ON.
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BHOHG2G
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 7:07pmExactly!!!!
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Max jones
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 10:44pmThere are some here that equate sins of the past with sins of the present, but I believe that This evil is supernatural…the most vile and rotten the world has ever seen…including our favorites like hitler stalin polpot gengis khan and whomever else.
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Just_Us2
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 6:07pmSo they sat there, watching this like it was some kind of late night TV show, Obama gets tired and slips off to bed. This is the same mindset that allows you to rip a baby apart, sucking out their brains, looking at your handy work and calling it, “women’s health”. These are monsters, the definition of evil.
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thegreatcarnac
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 6:00pmObama and hillary knew our people were getting killed in real-time and were fighting for their lives but did nothing. They are accessories to murder.
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justangry
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 5:56pmAll I have to say is it wouldn’t have happened if we weren’t there meddling.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 6:48pmyou would think the republicans would be wondering why we bombed another country and armed muslim brotherhood – but it fits their agenda so they wont talk about it
Instead of focusing on the cause, they focus on the results….Which will get us NOWHERE (just like Romney)
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2MINUTESTOMIDNIGHT
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 7:04pmNewsflash: We are not Switzerland.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 7:45pmwe should be more like Switzerland than Germany
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therealconservative
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 8:25pm@soysauce
Let’s say this together, We Are Americans.
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Eastinfection
Posted on October 24, 2012 at 11:42pm“Let’s say this together….”
Everyone ready?
1….2….3…..
“THIS”
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