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Obama Says Ayn Rand Is For ‘Misunderstood’ Teenagers
According to a Rolling Stone interview released yesterday, President Obama does not have much respect for Libertarian & free market icon Ayn Rand. The interview, conducted by professor and historian Douglas Brinkley, featured some fair tough questioning.
One rather unique question covered the writings of Ayn Rand, whom GOP vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan has expressed affinity for. Obama attacks Ryan over this, noting someone should grow out of any Ayn Rand phase once they are beyond a “misunderstood” teenager stage.
Q: Have you ever read Ayn Rand?
Obama: Sure.
Q: What do you think Paul Ryan’s obsession with her work would mean if he were vice president?
Obama: Well, you’d have to ask Paul Ryan what that means to him. Ayn Rand is one of those things that a lot of us, when we were 17 or 18 and feeling misunderstood, we’d pick up. Then, as we get older, we realize that a world in which we’re only thinking about ourselves and not thinking about anybody else, in which we’re considering the entire project of developing ourselves as more important than our relationships to other people and making sure that everybody else has opportunity – that that’s a pretty narrow vision. It’s not one that, I think, describes what’s best in America. Unfortunately, it does seem as if sometimes that vision of a “you’re on your own” society has consumed a big chunk of the Republican Party.
But Don Watkins, a fellow at the Ayn Rand Institute has another take on the author. In a sharp criticism of the President’s statement, Watkins defends a Rand philosophy and questions if the President ever read the author.
Watkins: The President is pulling the same old trick that collectivists have been pulling for the last hundred fifty years. Rather than openly defend the proposition that you have a duty to serve society, he misrepresents and smears individualism. Contra Obama, what Ayn Rand appeals to is youthful idealism.
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resme
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inblack
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 10:05pm“What do you think Paul Ryan’s obsession…”?
– Should I mention yellow journalism?
Obama only hung out with communists and women’s studies people because they were the only ones that couldn’t see what a shallow, “fake intellectual” he is.
I love reading what Obama has to say, it’s so fun to watch a fool take himself so seriously. He is as bad as Krugman – ranting when people laugh at him. “I’m smart! Pay attention to me!”
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Small_Craft_Advisory
Posted on October 27, 2012 at 8:03amThe President misses the whole point of free markets, it’s people working in their own self interest (not selfishness) which creates opportunity for other people and creates a society where there are more resources available to engage in compaasionate acts. Obama’s world gives all that power to government, making everyon worse off. Type “damon koch small craft” into your search engine to read fresh political commentary.
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jorge_washington
Posted on October 27, 2012 at 9:31am“The President misses the whole point of free markets, it’s people working in their own self interest (not selfishness) which creates opportunity for other people and creates a society where there are more resources available to engage in compaasionate acts. Obama’s world gives all that power to government, making everyon worse off.”
Yes, opportunity that enslaved black people. Yes, opportunity that forced children of immigrants to work in factories and coal mines. Yes, opportunity that didn’t allow black children to attend white school, eat with white people in public, drink from the same water fountain or do business with white people, have to give up a seat on a bus to a white person and be allowed to vote.
Opportunity; yes, but only for the very few, the rich with power. Compassion; yes, but certainly not for the black people or the poor.
As you do unto the least of us, you do unto me.
Jesus
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bluegrandma52
Posted on October 27, 2012 at 10:09am@Jorge. Slavery was not a product of capitalism or free markets; it was a concept devised by despots and totalitarians who felt their vision of the world was best (i.e. socialism). Self-interest and selfishness are not the same thing. When people are truly free, able to make decisions for themselves and their families, unhampered by dictators, kings, or tyrants, then markets flourish for everyone. But because humans can’t be trusted with power, the best government is the least government, hemmed in by laws limiting the power wielded by the few.
Parents who are able to work and make a living for their families do not put their children in mines; they raise them and educate them, helping them to a better life than their parents have.
And the Jim Crow segregation laws you mentioned? All put in place by Democrat legislatures; people who wanted to retain power over those who were gaining power over their own lives.
Power corrupts, every time. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, every time. No person or group of people (no matter their political persuasion) can be trusted with great power. They WILL eventually abuse it. Which is why we have a Constitution that (originally) severely constrained the power given to the federal government, giving most of the power to state legislatures or to the people.
The very real evils you outlined are not the product of capitalism, they are the product of tyrannical socialism.
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justangry
Posted on October 27, 2012 at 11:41am@bluegrandma52, Good analysis. It was mercantilism not capitalism that drove the slave trade. And of course, we’re closer today to mercantilism than capitalism and global slavery for the central bank.
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Jayk Signal
Posted on October 27, 2012 at 12:36pmObama: Stupid young people always fall for idealistic schemes with no regard to reality.
2008: 66% of voters 18-29 voted for Obama.
You make the call.
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justangry
Posted on October 27, 2012 at 2:36pm@Jayk Signal, A lot of young people fell for Obama because of what they were getting from the dumb Bush. Of course Obama betrayed them, but hey Bush ran on the peace ticket.
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jorge_washington
Posted on October 27, 2012 at 3:38pm“@Jorge. Slavery was not a product of capitalism or free markets; it was a concept devised by despots and totalitarians who felt their vision of the world was best (i.e. socialism). Self-interest and selfishness are not the same thing. When people are truly free, able to make decisions for themselves and their families, unhampered by dictators, kings, or tyrants, then markets flourish for everyone. But because humans can’t be trusted with power, the best government is the least government, hemmed in by laws limiting the power wielded by the few.”
Slavery is an abomination, slavery is an economic tool of unbound capitalism practiced by men, in this case, many of them Christian or the very least religious people, but never, a “concept”.
Self-interest is the same as selfishness; both are driven by greed and corruption. There is no “us” or “we” in “SELF” interest; only I. It is government that created programs for the poor, meek and elderly when capitalism or religion could not or would not be bothered as their exploitation of these people is what created their wealth; such is the nature of self-interest.
America is country of laws. We have spent about 250 years preventing dictators, kings and tyrants through laws starting with the constitution and the bill of rights, yet you others continue to speak of these laws as if they but a light switch on a wall that anyone could turn off; no they cannot be turned off as you say.
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Sabers_Edge
Posted on October 27, 2012 at 5:47pm@Jorge. While you may assert that self-interest and selfishness are the same thing, they are not. However, let’s assume they are. A little selfishness is not a bad thing. Where would we be if we all gave our money or substance to others who were bad off? We would be bankrupt and few people would have benefited from the little we did with our money. Contrast this with saving your money and becoming wealthy and then using it to fund charities, and organizations to help these people. The Red Cross is not a government run organization and operates purely based on those who were able to do well enough individualistically in their own self-interest to be able to willingly give up their own stuff to help others.
I don’t think you should have an obsession over money, but being successful and being financially independent and wealthy is not a crime or necessarily greed whatever you may think. As for your no ‘us’ in self interest…that doesn’t actually mean anything. Try a real argument. As previously stated the Red Cross is not a government run organization. I have no problem with the government helping people who have fallen on tough times. We don’t want people starving in the streets obviously. However, I don’t think the government is using a good method.
No capitalism does not exploit people. In fact it does so less than any other marketing system because if someone did exploit people another company would arise which didn’t and would take all of the previous com
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jorge_washington
Posted on October 27, 2012 at 8:10pm@Sabers_Edge
Nobody died and made you or anyone else for that matter responsible for humanity. Nor can it be left up to individuals to do the “right thing” or honor system, that is why our government has laws, regulations and taxes.
The Red Cross provides temporary aid to people in natural disasters as well as man-made disasters as house fires where the family looses everything. The RC is an organization, not an individual whose purpose is to help people in need. The RC supplements the aid given by states and the federal government in case of natural disasters. The RC does not nor can it replace local or federal governments in terms of aid for disasters or social problems. That’s not their job or purpose.
No one says being rich is a sin, however, past practices at least in this country that included human slavery and child labor just so the individual could maximize his profits are no longer illegal, morally or spiritually accepted. Sick days, vacation days, maternity leave, weekends, a 5 day work week, and safe working conditions were not something given by “capitalism” or the individual, rather by people coming together as in unions and governments.
Human slavery is not a concept, rather an abomination. To some Ayn Rand’s philosophical concepts seem poetic, but in real practice they are human tragedies.
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progressiveslayer
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 7:50pmOkay Barry you said you’ve read Rand,it didn’t align with your communist indoctrination so you rejected it. I like this clip and thought I’d share so enjoy readers the lady who escaped communism only to see it get a foothold here. She saw it coming and warned us but……………..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skBumxC2Fss&feature=g-high-u
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PilgrimStuckInBizarroWorld
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 7:59pmMaybe this is good and more young people will read Atlas Shrugged and learn the value of the individual and the destruction of thinking of the collective before individual.
R&R
TEA
PS I keep hearing that the Tea Party is dead, so I thinking that everyone who believes in what the Tea Party says to identify themselves while logging on to the blaze. Just curious.
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Freedom from liberals
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 8:15pmEvery time this man speaks my blood keeps boiling. I can no longer even look at him without getting extremely angry. Please lord, rid us of this Communist on Nov 6.
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BODYBAG
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 8:54pmAdd your comments
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Cadcamtrainer
Posted on October 27, 2012 at 5:03pmFolks, I was born and rised in a communist country. I lived there the first 20 years of my life (Romania). I lived here in the US for the past 37 years. I love my country,The United States of America, but as someone looking in, as someone that lived in both systems, as someone that can read the writing on the wal, we are heading in that direction and we better stop fast if we don’t want to get there because we are getting close. Unfortunately for the OWS crowd, for all the bubble heads on TV, they will be the ones to suffer the most because they will be the one silenced first. Folks, don’t let this country be destroyed, don’t let this country be taken away from us without a fight. Your parents, grand parents and so on fought to hard for you to let it go with out a fight. May God Bless our Country and our people!
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GoodStuff
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 7:48pmVoting for Obama is for misunderstood teenagers.
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Konservative PUNK
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 8:03pmI hope his comments will lead all the misunderstood teenagers to read her work. It would certainly lead to a better future for America.
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football lady
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 8:14pmMy thoughts exactly.
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Cadcamtrainer
Posted on October 27, 2012 at 5:05pmObama misunderstands America!
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Diane TX
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 7:43pmI “early voted” yesterday in central Texas.
I was behind an elderly man in a wheelchair, and he had a male friend with him to help him get around. So, the elderly man says to his friend, “I think everyone in the World is voting this time.” His friend replied, “Yep”. Then the elderly man says, “I think that everyone knows that we have to get him out of there.” His friend replied, “Yep”, again.
I smiled, as others did, within earshot. I think we all agreed that we have to get him out of there.
Yep, we have to get Obama out of there.
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Gary_K
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 7:49pmYep.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 7:49pmObama is just a man. The ideas of progressivism will remain
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Mullica Mark
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 8:00pmGod bless this American Patriot.
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Watermain
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 8:04pmYep.
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DOra Glasberg
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 8:14pmTHey were talking about Rick Perry, though
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football lady
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 8:14pmYep!
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Kupo
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 8:20pmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0QHw7iy1Rg
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betterthantv
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 8:45pmYep
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TEXASGRANNY73
Posted on October 27, 2012 at 6:40amHigh Five, Diane. Yep.
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JUSTANOTHEROPINION
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 7:42pmObama sucks. No further statement required.
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Just_Bubba
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 7:49pmI concur.
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Mullica Mark
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 8:01pmNo doubt. We need to get this right in November. Heaven help us if we don’t.
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Gonzo
Posted on October 27, 2012 at 8:12amLiterally AND figuratively!
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The-Monk
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 7:42pmAccording to Obama… the OWS crowd should love Ayn Rand.
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Cadcamtrainer
Posted on October 27, 2012 at 5:09pmMonk, they are not misunderstood, they are just plain misfits. They will be the first ones to be silenced when they are not needed anymore…….
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Mudd
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 7:37pmHard to believe anyone would want to “be on our own”, back in the day it was called being an adult. Now it’s a Repiblican plot?
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Mudd
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 7:43pmSorry, I mean Republican.
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adidell
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 9:58pmAmen!
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revelation2012
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 7:36pmthis brought tears to my eyes
http://thecompetentconservative.com/white-house-insider-mitt-romneys-quiet-prayer-amidst-the-sound-of-thunder/
please take a moment amazing grace
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Gary_K
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 7:52pmThat was amazing. I read it earlier today.
Mitt is looking good.
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kickagrandma
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 8:04pmReally nice. Thank you!
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beckwill
Posted on October 27, 2012 at 3:51pmHumility is a funny thing as it is impossible to fake. Humility is a sign of strength. Mr. Romney is a humble man.
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Cadcamtrainer
Posted on October 27, 2012 at 5:15pmAll that while Obama was unrolling his Prayer Rug……. Pray The Lord every day that Romney wins.
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progressiveslayer
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 7:36pmBarry Soetoro Barrack Hussein Obama or whatever your real name is your serfs salute you!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW-i1LTDxR0
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soybomb315_II
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 7:36pmApparently Ayn Rand is not for Vice Presidents either
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justangry
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 7:41pmMost people on the right just pay lip service to her work. I’m guessing 90% of the Blaze’s readers would be offended by her as well.
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Watermain
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 7:43pm@just: I’m guessing you are wrong.
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American Soldier (Separated)
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 7:45pmI agree
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soybomb315_II
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 7:47pmof course. Ron Paul is basically a christian version of Ayn Rand but it seems most people in the Republican party call him a kook, traitor, or pathetic
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resme
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 7:56pmI found this picture amusing :)
http://i.imgur.com/WpNRZ.png
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justangry
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 8:08pmWatermain, Why would you say that? She thought religion was a sign of weakness, and today’s conservatives were altruists and evil. The Blazer’s hatred for atheists is obvious.
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justangry
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 8:12pmWatermain, Here is a few clips of her on religion. I believe most Blazer’s would be appalled.
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=ayn+rand+on+religion&mid=C6628FC2A3113B7F909DC6628FC2A3113B7F909D&view=detail&FORM=VIRE3
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luxlife
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 8:35pm“Ron Paul is basically a christian version of Ayn Rand” – hilarious. Get off the computer and hit the books.
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Fubared
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 8:37pm0 is taunting the bots, and they are being all extra coy, we reserve the right to reserve the right of our rights, and he calls you Tweens. And you stroke your vote, fluff up Johnson some more even though he said it was a wasted vote, and pine for Paul, while fluffing both 0 and Johnson now. But, under all that posturing, who can really lay claim to being the most free range Indy of all the indies? So much drama from the queens on either side. Oh, but wait- do the neocons not like Rand for her stance on religion or are they completely nonplussed by the indies need to be super special Indy more than the other less Indy Indy posers. What fun.
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justangry
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 8:48pm@luxlife, There is a split between Libertarians and those that embrace Ayn Rand totally. Kind of a shake up at the Cato Institute as well. That being said, Ron Paul said he wasn’t totally a Libertarian. I’d like to know in what way you believe Soy’s statement was “hilarious” though. I mean the main emphasis of both was individualism, which at the very least made him a lot closer to her philosophy than any of the other candidates. His mentor, Misses was a devotee of her work. He was the only true laissez faire capitalist in the mix and the only one to support our rights. Seems like three of Rand’s main pillars to me.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 9:15pmever notice how these people say absolutely nothing of substance….They are theblaze version of OWS
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justangry
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 9:47pmSoy, Yeah, I get a lot of ducking of questions I ask. I only get deflection and personal attacks. They cheer Romney and Ayn Rand at the same time despite them being polar opposites. Quite annoying really, but trying to keep in mind we’re not talking to them. With every question they’re afraid to answer, every deflection and personal attack the silent readers see what they are all about.
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luxlife
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 10:32pmWell sheesh, can’t a man eat his fish fry before he checks back?
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Fubared
Posted on October 27, 2012 at 8:36amAngry
For any serious discussion, we would first need to address why Paul got no traction or respect. We would need to look at his supporters that sent similar minded people running in droves. You cannot worship a simple man and make fun of people that have a different belief system. And mostly you wankers come off like a bunch of just angrys and windys. So again, why is Paul or Johnson or Barr or Nader not a viable option? And yes, let’s not hide behind math this time angrier. Do you get points for not believing in stop or yield signs and have you adopted special language and hand signs for use around regular people?
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justangry
Posted on October 27, 2012 at 10:59am“For any serious discussion, we would first need to address why Paul got no traction or respect.”
Missing votes from Aimes, a media blackout, religious altruism and CFR propaganda scaring people over the turban wearing boogeymen?
“We would need to look at his supporters that sent similar minded people running in droves.”
We’ve been called every name in the book. Kooks, un-American, anti-Semites, etc.. Typically its from guys like you. I know I’ve never attacked anyone personally that hasn’t attacked me first. You’re the perfect example of this. It’s all you do. Furthermore it’s retarded to vote for or against someone because of some of their supporters.
I don’t worship anyone, that’s your gig and it’s progressive view of conservatism when you asked the government to step in to make society better against the 10th amendment. As for the hand signs and other BS you’re accusing us of, perhaps you might think about how you precious GOP dances around naked in the woods around a bonfire at the Bohemian Grove… Seems to me they’re the cultist.
I just want my rights back and to end the welfare state. You guys, cashing your Socialist Security checks look the other way at the abuses the GOP has done to our Bill of Rights. It’s pathetic. You deserve to mocked for your hypocrisy and cowardice.
As for math… 28% of the people are registered Republican, 32% democrat, and 38% independent and half the country doesn’t vote because they see no diff
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Fubared
Posted on October 27, 2012 at 12:57pmWords of cowardice from a man that cannot muster the gumption to get off his lazy crying ass and actually do something other than cry and whine at every opportunity? And again, you dismiss why the vaunted Paul got no traction or respect…you. What SS checks am I cashing wanker? I am young enough to know it won’t be there, have zero plans for a dole of any sort. My retirement is all centered around your need for kleenexes and adult under garments. And maybe. Little revenue for Chinese produced Gadsden flags. The elite and collective whine from the indies over who was more Indy than the other Indy shot the good doc in the foot, and people won’t give Johnson a look because of you. You, windy, and soy have done more for the dismissal of libertarian thoughts then 0 ever could. Anyone with a different opinion on how to actually DO something you dismiss as GOP. They are just as Indy as you purport to be, but no where near as rabid. After your morning prayer to Paul, you should ask for his forgiveness for turning people off.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on October 27, 2012 at 1:55pmClaiming an idea gets no traction within a corrupt political system does not indicate it was a wrong idea….On the contrary – it is a badge of honor
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justangry
Posted on October 27, 2012 at 2:56pmYawn… Again, I’m not the collectivist here supporting a collectivist that supports socialist policies and a police state that disregards the Bill of Rights. All you do is WHINE about those that speak out against this. Seems like you just want us to go away and not speak our mind so you can live in your socialist fascist hybrid Utopia. You are actively supporting a candidate that supports the president and GOP removing our right to a trial, something we’ve enjoyed since 1215 over a candidate that doesn’t support that tyrannical BS. You actively support the man who supports the early REFORMERS (progressives) platform. So what is they’d have to do for you to actually stand up and say enough is enough? I mean it’s obvious that you’re standing on party over principle or you just love this socialist system otherwise you wouldn’t constantly bitch about those that say it sucks.
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Fubared
Posted on October 27, 2012 at 2:59pmWay to obfuscate tofu. The libertarian school of thought had promise, then average people met and listened to you, angry, jihad jerk, and windy, and walked away. The messenger blows, the garbled message got little traction. Be proud in your help of Paul’s defeat? A pink badge? Sure.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on October 27, 2012 at 3:24pmFubared
You are one of the few people who troll around and talk about Ron Paul. Most people agree with us on principle and leave it at that. You act as if you liked Ron Paul’s ideas but then we turned you off – thats like people saying they would be christian if it weren’t for their mean neighbor….
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justangry
Posted on October 27, 2012 at 3:43pmThat’s BS that you compare me to Individualism or the_Jerk. While I agree with some of the things they post, there are stark differences between us. Any halfwit could recognize that.
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Georgiaboy54
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 7:34pmI’m 58, far from a teenager. I read Atlas Shrugged for the 1st time 5 years ago and her work only reinforced everything I’ve believed and worked for all my adult life. It took me almost a month to read the book because I’d get so angry and frustrated that she could predict the future in the 50′s and no one paid attention. I’ve since read Fountainhead and believe Ms. Rand was a prophet. Mr. Obama is a socialist and if he’s reelected our country is doomed.
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DOra Glasberg
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 8:10pmA PROFIT on Social Security.
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justangry
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 9:23pmI’m just diving in myself. I’ve yet to read the Fountainhead or Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology yet, but I think she’s brilliant so far. I’ll probably move on eventually, but right now, I think she’s the real deal. I had this feeling in my gut I wasn’t able to express and then it was like she put the words in my mouth.
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Cadcamtrainer
Posted on October 27, 2012 at 5:23pmMy twin girls just graduated from UF medical school. They both went there on scholarships based on academics (Straight As in HS). They got the book after they have seen the movie with me the day the movie got released. The POS better look in the mirror and not call my girls “misguided”…..
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beullar
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 7:32pmIs it possible to hate or disrespect a man any more than this despicable human.??? Ohhhh…I’m sorry that must be rhetorical!
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TimPatriot
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 7:31pmI’d put $1000 bucks on the fact that he’s never read Ayn Rand, just listened to commie profs slur her in some thinly veiled progressive classroom…..
Since he is the messiah, I doubt he’d spend much time on someone’s theory that Frank Marshall Davis didn’t support.. Too busy reading that little red book….
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Mudd
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 7:41pmThat was my initial reaction, I don’t think he read it either.
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Just_Bubba
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 7:55pmHe only knows what he is told and nothing more. There has NEVER been an original thought in his head. At least we have THE real standard of stupidity as a basis for comparison in the future.
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DOra Glasberg
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 8:09pmThat Ayn certainly scarfed up her Social Security fast enough.
Good wriyer but essential a fraud, Just lie Romney Ryan
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MFHorn3
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 10:54pmDORA…Rand paid into the Social Security scam because she was forced to. Accepting Social Security checks was nothing more than accepting the return of her stolen property.
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G-WHIZ
Posted on October 27, 2012 at 10:13amProgressives never read anything except the frontpage of the book. Could be good/could be bad. Those who never read befor passing judgement are fools…..Baaaaa…..baaaaaaaaaa….Zzzzzzzzzzzz.
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Tri-ox
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 7:31pmKeep those insults coming, turdhead!
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kickagrandma
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 7:43pmAmen! That’s about the nicest thing I could think of to call him although I do think TRAITOR, DESPOT, LYING SOB fit nicely, too. Even if I had a kernel of political correctness in my body which I do not, thank YOU GOD, it would fail me totally in the presence of the liar-in-chief.
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DOra Glasberg
Posted on October 27, 2012 at 12:37amAnn took her husband,’s name, and received SS under, survivor benefits.
SHE never paid into the system as a freelance writer.
Just like widdle Pauly Ryan took his dad’s bennies to go to a 10th rate college in Florida.
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DOra Glasberg
Posted on October 27, 2012 at 12:38amIs that yer nose who are you eating a giant cashew?
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MeteoricLimbo
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 7:31pmAnd here I was thinking Barrack Hussein Obama was for the misunderstood teenagers.
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BigBoss305
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 8:50pmWell played sir….
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pwatkins
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 7:30pmComing from a man that says he is lost trying to do his daughters 7th grade math I would say if, and I mean if, he read Ayn Rand he would never comprehend it. You only comprehend what you put your mind into and for Obama that would be Frank Marshall Davis, Rev. Wright and the likes.
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Zekron
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 10:58pmI agree that Obummer wouldn’t understand the book if he did read it.
The main point of the book is brilliant, I’ve read it several times, also the Fountainhead. However, Ayn can be pendantic and has a sketchy treatment of personal relationships. The John Galt speech at the end was much too long and repetitive, but the book still stand as a revolutionary standard for the rational conservative movement.
Who is John Galt? He is us. We are growing. We will win or America is lost to the Looters.
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Mahtoska
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 7:27pmNo Barry, Rand is for those who see the world clearly and not through the foggy haze of pot, coke, and too many sermons from Frank Marshall Davis, and Jeremiah Wright. Don’t go away mad Barry, just…..go away….loser
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antitheist
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 7:27pmAyn Rand was also a gnostic atheist, so there you go.
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Diane TX
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 7:37pmTrue, but she was also anti-collectivism.
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Georgiaboy54
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 7:37pmMs Rands agnostic beliefs do not change the facts and her prophecy of the 50′s is happening now
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antitheist
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 7:44pmI didn’t say that she was agnostic, I said she was a gnostic atheist. I know that syntax isn’t important for you neo cons, but please at least read before replying.
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kickagrandma
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 8:07pmIt’ s arrogance like yours expressed so condescendingly that makes us all glad to be “beneath” your intellectual prowess. Thank you for acknowledging us. We are real happy to be “here” where you are not.
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DOra Glasberg
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 8:11pmThese rubes talk the parts they like and dismiss the rest.
Like they do the bible.
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justangry
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 8:57pmDianne, She thought today’s conservatives were collectivists and I agree. I mean why is important to you to police vice? Is it for the individual or for society? And be honest. Today’s conservatives want to force their morals on the individual to make society better. To do that they need the government to steel from everyone to pay for it. Then of course Romney was applauded during the debate when he said, “My passion probably flows from the fact that I believe in God — and I believe we’re all children of the same God,” he said. “I believe we have a responsibility to care for one another.” That statement is collectivist BS whether you want to admit it or not.
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inblack
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 9:15pm@ANTITHEIST said “Ayn Rand was also a gnostic atheist”
Where do you get that? To me gnostic means having special knowledge.
It does not seem to me that she claimed any special knowledge that God does not exist. Only that without clear objective evidence that God does exist it is foolish to assume that he does. She would say she is certain that God does not exist, but not claim special knowledge.
In fact if presented with objective evidence that God does exist, she could no more have deny it than anything else that is objectively true.
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Fubared
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 9:22pmAngry, that seems plausible coming from a singular mass of bs. One would have to assume, a singular pile of poo would know all bout the larger pile. Dude, you can shoot up, cross dress, and play with animals; just don’t do it public. Drink more cough syrup if you want, but why are you suddenly special? Your lack of morals is somehow laudable? You want to impose your unGodliness on the Godly neocons? That what I’m smelling? Thsuper thspescial Indy with self given rights need more attention? How soon before the bots are a protected minority? See, I worked a lot the last few decades, it appears I have some catching up to do. Neocons, bots, worthless progs, and socialist coming out if the woodwork. Just trying to keep them all straight-no offense if you are lgblt.
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inblack
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 9:50pm@DORA GLASBERG said “These rubes talk the parts they like and dismiss the rest.”
Dora on the surface your comment sounds kind of stupid.
Of course you should take/talk what you like and not take what you don’t like (or at least what does not ring true). That’s what we do with everyone, you don’t wholesale replace your ideas with another persons, you synthesize the new data and update your view. If you take Einstein for example, smart guy, he was right and insightful about a lot of things and really stupid about others. He believed in predestination of everything.
I’ve never met a person I agree with 100%. If you take everything from a person you are assuming they are perfect, or perfect as compared to you.
Maybe you meant, Ayn Rand’s genius is based on her objectivist philosophy and most people really don’t understand it, they just take the individualism and don’t bother understanding the rest.
That I can agree with. There is a lot more to her genius than just individualism/ anti-collectivism.
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justangry
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 9:51pm@Fubared, What constitutional authority does the federal government have to police vice?
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justangry
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 11:05pm@Fubared, Of course, you’d scatter away when presented with a question you can’t answer. Fitting. Like most of the folks on this site when they’re challenged in anyway. I would like to comment on something you said.
“why are you suddenly special?”
The simplest answer is because I’m an individual and all individuals that don’t use force, steel or deceive their fellow man are special. And it’s my 10th amendment right. BTW, you’re whole imbecilic rant wreaks of collectivism, comrade.
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Watermain
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 7:26pmHe didn’t like because he didn’t understand all the big words like “producers, work and pride” John Galt is one of my favorite people.
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Chet Hempstead
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 10:19pmJohn Galt isn’t a person. He’s barely even a character.
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PatriotDadOfSix
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 7:24pmIt’s apparent that this man was so steeped in, and warped with collectivist ideology, that he can’t wrap his head around rational self interest; or individual achievement. Very telling.
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TimPatriot
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 7:33pmWhat do expect….when his “achievements” include the Nobel Peace prize….which he did ABSOLUTELY nothing to deserve. Its like the little participation trophy given out to all the six year old soccer players…
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IronSights
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 7:33pmCome on now……..do think he REALLY read it? Has anything come out of his mouth that wasn’t a lie when he’s being interviewed.
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Watermain
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 7:42pm@tim: excuse me, but he was black and was elected president…how much more does one need to do to get it?
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justangry
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 7:22pmOf course a Marxist hates Ayn Rand’s stuff. Most collectivists on the right hate her too. And if Paul Ryan actually actually believed her philosophy his voting record would be MUCH different.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 7:38pmnobody in washington like libertarianism because it sheds power – but they want to gain it
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Fubared
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 8:40pmGet a room.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 9:12pmbigot!
lol
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luxlife
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 11:47pmactually actually – you two are out of your collective depth here
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smokeysmoke
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 7:21pmcommunism is for idiots… and you embrace them el presidente
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JohnLarson
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 7:20pmHe’s wrong.. Ayn Rand is for misunderstood VIRGIN teenagers.
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progressiveslayer
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 7:19pmI think your Marxist ideology is for evil bastards,looks like a match made in hell.
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MrButcher
Posted on October 26, 2012 at 7:17pmKinda like Marx, huh?
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Welcome Black Carter
Posted on October 27, 2012 at 4:04pmI say he never read her book. This president punches below his weight class.
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