During an address to an Obama for America Florida field office on Tuesday, Vice President Joe Biden apparently told volunteers and reporters that transgender discrimination is “the civil rights issue of our time.” When a woman (Biden said her beautiful eyes caught his attention) asked a question that was initially inaudible to reporters and the audience, he responded with his statement about “civil rights.”
Vice President Joe Biden (Photo Credit: AP)
Later, the individual who asked the question, Linda Carragher Bourne of Sarasota, Florida, clarified the dialogue, telling the pool reporter that her daughter was Miss Trans New England. She explained her question to the vice-president — whether he would help people like her daughter.
“A lot of my friends are being killed, and they don’t have the civil rights yet. These guys are gonna make it happen,” Bourne told the pool reporter.
The Washington Blade notes that it wasn’t entirely clear whether Biden was referencing discrimination that is more generally waged against gays, lesbians and transgendered Americans — or if he was specifically targeting the latter group. The Blade continues:
Biden has been among the most outspoken officials in the Obama administration in his support for LGBT rights. His endorsement of same-sex marriage preceded President Obama’s when he said in May during an interview on NBC’s “Meet the Press” that he’s “absolutely comfortable” with married gay couples having the same rights as straight couples.
Over the course of the presidential campaign, Biden has engaged in LGBT outreach. Before a crowd at the prominent gay resort town of Provincetown, Mass., Biden said in August that LGBT Americans are “freeing the souls of the American people” and gay activists aren’t just fighting for their own civil rights, but the “civil rights of every straight American.”
Biden has made his support for the LGBT community clear and, if valid as reported, this is merely another one of his strongly-worded statements supporting this cohort.
(H/T: Huffington Post)
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Proverbs17-12NLT
Oct. 31, 2012 at 9:08amHey joey I got another bumper sticker for ya, Instead of osama is dead and gm is alive How about osama is dead and so is the middle class? It’s the economy stupid and you and your buddy failed!
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G-WHIZ
Oct. 31, 2012 at 12:53pmGeoBitemee had the “transgender” opperation…only HE got stuck in-da-middle…now you know why HE doesn”t know who HE is!
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AC7880
Oct. 31, 2012 at 4:24pmOsama is dead, and so is our ambassador and Navy Seals. “Stand down” my azz!
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RamonPreston
Nov. 1, 2012 at 1:14pm@AC7880 Google” Obama is Osama or search for it on Youtube.com. Face recognition software at it’s finest. Lousey job with the plastic surgery scars.
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Brittany-Imbriaarts
Oct. 31, 2012 at 8:49amDear Mr. Vice President,
I am a Transgender person and you sir are wrong to focus on my civil rights when you and the President ignore the rights of a larger majority of the citizens of the country in which you are in charge. Yes when I see issues about violence on transgender community it is disgraceful and having recently personally struggled at finding a job it isn’t easy to face against a bias view of many. But in making this choice to live this way I knew what hardships I would face and knew I may not even be able to live the perfectly normal life that I dream of. But the actions of the president have made my struggle no different in all households. The prices of food and gas are at record highs, Millions are out of jobs and seeking greater employment then 20 hours a week at near minimum wage, Solders are dying while you two claim they are coming home, You both claim stronger health care but the costs have gone up on both coverage, medicine and even banning vital meds like fast acting inhalers for environmental reasons. You both invested american dollars in corrupt deals, false wars of your own creation that cause greater unrest in the world, and you blame Republicans for your failures in passing a budget in 3 1/2 years. So no Mr. Biden granting me more civil rights will not turn my vote to help you win, Obama has been destructive to the system of this country and I will stand and vote for Mr. Romney and watch as my fellow countrymen do the same to remove you both.
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Jenny Lind
Oct. 31, 2012 at 9:08amI do not pretend to understand your life, but I think there is sure nothing wrong with your power to diserne what is wrong with this country and and why we are struggeling to get rid of this president and VP.
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danielmchick
Oct. 31, 2012 at 9:14amSo you had a choice, hmm? Please, as a gay man myself, tell me how that’s working out for you because I’m eager to know about it. Considering I didn’t have a choice in this issue, I’m just ecstatic to know someone would willingly join the team after acknowledging all of the hate-filled bigots out there.
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Brittany-Imbriaarts
Oct. 31, 2012 at 9:30amDANIELMCHICK
I had a choice to start living as I feel, The easy route in my life was to ignore my deeper self and go on living the self destructive life I was on and more then likely have committed Suicide long since now. I could have lived in the shadow of my past life, but instead I chose to treat myself and my life better and came out about an issue I struggled with since I was 7. I went so far as to have my genes tested and confirmed that I am one of the few people carrying XXY, so I was born this way in a way of putting it. I cant say I fully understand the GLB division but I can speak for the T that as science progresses more evidence does support the existence of it being a genetic issue. I try to keep myself in the actions of what goes on in a civil manner of issue in the GLBT community but work harder to try and live a normal life as I can. It took me the last year to find a part time job that accepted me and I had to struggle to push a 20 hour job to near full time just to pay my bills and continue to look for more work. While I am vastly educated and stand high enough in my skill in my job field to be consider for interviews with big names in the US, and often have been told my being trans isn’t a issue but its hard to shrug that feeling off when I time and time again see rejection. But in times like this I have to look to my Grandparents that lived in the Great Depression as a citizen of the US I must tighten my belt and work hard giving respect.
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Brittany-Imbriaarts
Oct. 31, 2012 at 9:36amEven if I don’t get it back in turn. I know some that have also posted on this article jump at dismissing the Trans community in ways that upsets me, but frankly its their personal opinions and its not my place to change opinions for them, but perhaps open minds to new info that may change their views. My personal struggle is discussed more on http://www.imbriaarts.com/path/ . I do find it surprising that Transgender people tend to be the largest group of the LGBT that lean more to the rights side despite the way many claiming to be on the right side of politics treat them but I want each person to educate themselves on all issues and make their own minds up. We should only let the informed vote.
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danielmchick
Oct. 31, 2012 at 9:38amInteresting, Brittany, truly. You, like most all others identifying with this movement, have no choice in the issue. I now get where you’re coming from: you’re talking about public identification, which truly is a choice. With that, I agree. The biological indicators, however, are an entirely different story.
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Tacit Eagle
Oct. 31, 2012 at 9:47amWell said, Brittany.
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AvengerK
Oct. 31, 2012 at 11:31amI keep saying that the homosexual lobby let it’s mask slip when it began using “LGBT” as it’s banner. The “born this way” meme is all important to their cause. They must convince the population that their state of mind is genetically imprinted on them. And so..because they’re supposed to be “born this way” it’s meant to be acceptable..like being left handed..it just is.
But by including bi-sexuals and gender-identity-issue individuals in their banner, they are including variations on the same psychological aberration…sexual identity. Rather than sticking with strict homosexuality and working that angle..they chose to include everyone with every sort of sexual identity issue. Bi-sexuals for instance dont’ have to be bi-sexuals. They more times than not. couple with a member of the opposite sex and remain that way simply because the numbers of heterosexuals vastly outnumber homosexuals. The bi-sexuality is merely an expression of their sexual proclivities. Then you’ve got “transgender” individuals who can live their life as a member of the opposite sex but couple with members of their same sex. Or they can go “all in” and live as the opposite sex and couple with a member of THAT sex’s opposite sex. For example..they live as a woman, but couple with men exclusively. Like Chastity Bono, living as a lesbian then as a “man”.
By BRITTANY telling us he “chose” to live as a woman..he’s confirming that it’s a psychological issue, not gene
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Brittany-Imbriaarts
Oct. 31, 2012 at 11:45amUm no I pointed out I myself am XXY in my chromosomal makeup, since humans can not change this in your own words then I do have a genetic case for it. What I was saying is the choice is to go on living as a man in my past which has brought me several times to suicide and living in poor health and poverty, In choosing in my own life to change and accept who I was born to be and see myself as I am able to make changes in my life for the better. Transpeople are begin found in Science as being born that way through genetics and testing on the chemical make up of the brain and hormones on their bodies. Issues all that I address in my link provided earlier.
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THERAPTURCOMES
Oct. 31, 2012 at 12:12pmDon’t worry, The resurrection/rapture will soon enough sort it all out. http://youtu.be/ahEVxIzlxwo
Those left behind will have one of two choices admit they were wrong and become believers upon Christ Romans 10:9-10 or believe the great lie that will soon follow.
To actually think that a person can believe they were made the wrong sex is just downright crazy.
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The_Cabrito_Goat
Oct. 31, 2012 at 12:14pmI’m very, very interested by this schism among the LGBT community. ‘Course this is the kind of thing which is overlooked. After all, when you organize any minority, they can dictate their will to the unorganized majority.
Homogenous voices in unison are much more easily heard than scattered, heterogenous voices.
My point? Organization is the key in any political endeavor. Better nip this runaway slave in the bud, Chick. Don’t want the Ts of LGBT to realize that there’s more beyond the plantation.
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THERAPTURCOMES
Oct. 31, 2012 at 12:26pmBRITTANY
XXY is called Klinefelter syndrome and while you may have this extra chromosome this is far from making you a female. I cannot nor will I attempt to understand why this is even an issue unless it involves society and choice.
I say Romans 10:9-10 can apply to the whole world and all have the opportunity to believe. Even you.
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The_Cabrito_Goat
Oct. 31, 2012 at 12:30pmBrittany, you should consider how rare you are. Genetic mutation among humans is the lowest in nature.
The replication error rate is 2.2 times 10 to the negative 9nth place. That’s 9 zeroes, then .22, or 0.0000000022%
You should look at it as a blessing rather than a curse.
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mooney73
Oct. 31, 2012 at 12:44pm@ DANIELMCHICK,
Sexual preference vs gender identity, that’s 101-level queer theory. I’ve known of men who identified as women, underwent the gender change procedures, but still were attracted to women. Tom Gabel of ‘Against Me!’ falls into that same scenario. You may be biologically hard-wired to be attracted to men. And Brittany may be biologically hard-wired to affiliate with a gender she was not born unto. But her act of proceeding with the medical process of a gender change was very much her choice, which she undoubtedly weighed against many other facets of her life. Not everybody is like you, Daniel, which is why the LGBT community should strive to remain “big tent” and continue to educate those within as well as those outside of it.
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mooney73
Oct. 31, 2012 at 1:04pm@ AVENGERK
Your underpinnings of your logic is flawed, and thus is your argument about the “banner”. “Homosexual lobby”? Try LGBT lobby. “Homosexual” only comprises the first two letters. The science (be it physiological or psychological) is as diverse as the groups’s members.. and there is no one-size-fits-explanation, despite how much we as humans would prefer to pigeon-hole and stack things in neat and orderly categories so as not to complicate our understanding of the world.
There have been many coalitions throughout history who have fought together in stride for the common good of their group’s members… despite having different national/ethnic identities, goals, and reasons for joining the coalition. Differences notwithstanding, there is much more commonality within the LGBT community than the opinion you expressed suggests.
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Brittany-Imbriaarts
Oct. 31, 2012 at 1:31pmI do look at it as a blessing and not a curse. Its rare for most Transgenders to look on their pasts and be as open as I personally have been but I feel its important for information purposes. In my own life those around me at both times see the huge differences in my personality from then and now. I am a much more positive social and friendly person. Physically I dropped a 100lbs, started to seek for ways I could improve my life in skills and work, and started being a much more charitable and godly person since facing a issue that had me in the past close myself off from the world and focus souly on my misery of where I was. In my life its the same turning point that Glenn spoke about in his own only in my way in needed to find faith in both myself and God and see the love of my family and friends as I placed a hard challenge on all our lives in a way that even I see as a bit selfish. While not all issues are resolved with others, and I still remain close to the poor end of the people of this world I work hard to make my own life and help those around me in need as well, expecting to eventually face my reward when my own time comes. While the article goes on Obama’s choice to support Transgender people I admit he as president has done allot in laws to aid myself and other Transgender people but in the same time he has done greater harm in the end to America.
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cptenn94
Oct. 31, 2012 at 2:26pmWhile I dont support your decision and lifestyle i respect you as a person and the ability to make your decisions. You seem like a wonderful person and I hope everything works out for you. You certainly understand the concept of there is a time and place for everything and currently its better to wait a little longer to get the rights you want, and that the state of the country is more important. Again i hope all works out for you! I am curious though what is your position on religion though(just curious but i would like your opinion since you are someone who seems to be more rational than some people i know)
thanks and i hope you have a great day!
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LakeHartwellSailor
Oct. 31, 2012 at 5:03pmVery well said.
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CMDR6
Oct. 31, 2012 at 5:05pmThe_Cabrito_Goat and teresaJ, great posts, thanks
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Vicky in Cincy
Oct. 31, 2012 at 5:08pmLike Brittany, I too find my transgender status as a blessing and not a curse. I am free to live my life as I feel, and that is as a woman. I, and many transsexuals do not want any special “Transgender Rights”! We want to live as a naturally-born woman wants to live. Many of us do not want to stand out in a crowd and be in people’s faces screaming “accept us or else” although I do know some in the transgender (TG) community who do feel and act that way. To the surprise of many of my friends and acquaintances in the TG community I am a woman of faith. I believe in and love Jesus Christ with all of heart. I am Catholic and have been accepted in my parish. It is very possible, and it is not an abomination for TG’s to attend church and to believe in God. He made us for a reason, when we begin to transition that purpose is generally unknown to us. Some TG’s never discover that purpose while others do.
I am very aware of those here on The Blaze who disagree with who we are and “pretend” to be. Like Brittany I cannot change their minds. I can only offer what I know, how I feel, what I have learned about myself and my character as a human being. I pray that I can help to open minds and hearts about who we are in reality, not as the caricatures portrayed on television or on reality shows/daytime talk shows. We are your friends, neighbors, co-workers and fellow parishioners.
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MsAshley2010
Nov. 1, 2012 at 12:16pmThe rapture? Don’t you think it’s pretty rude to come on Brittany’s educated and informative post to say that the rapture is going to sort it out soon and for someone to think they were born the wrong sex is crazy? I don’t think her post had anything to do with being the “right” or “wrong” sex, just her own experiences and how although she has faced discrimination, she is still giving her vote to the man she believes deserves it.
I’ve always thought it was pretty arrogant for men to speak for God. After all, it was the religious folk of Jesus’s time who shunned him for hanging out with all the “sinners.” And Jesus spent most of his time with those people that no one else would be seen around. Do you remember the bible verse “Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you.” No one can truly speak for God’s will or how he formed his people or what he wants for his people. I think THAT is the crazy talk.
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RamonPreston
Nov. 1, 2012 at 1:19pm@THERAPTURCOMES When that times comes you will have ONE option: DIE. Which verse uses “the rapture?’ Not in my Bible. Never heard of prior to 1800. Google: rapture Margaret McDonald
Ministers use it to increase the coffers and control the congregation.
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walnutportconservative
Oct. 31, 2012 at 8:42amFor some sick reason, my friends (64 yrs old) parents wanted a girl, and so dressed my friend (a male) like a girl for the first 3 yrs of his life. A choice. He fought the female life he was forced into. He still has feminine or female ways, but he is not sexually confused. He is married, and they have a child, now an adult. I say this to support that none are born with the confusion of sexuallity. God does not do this. People have choices. The man with dark skin who is hated because of that skin color, did not make a choice. To compare the self inflicted social ills of the sexual perverted to the black civil rights movement is absurd. Biden, and the numerous others who are using that comparison should be shunned by those who they use for political gains… those with beautifully different skin tone… born that way.
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danielmchick
Oct. 31, 2012 at 9:20amHow is it “absurd?” How is the struggle for equal rights absurd?
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toiletclogga
Oct. 31, 2012 at 9:35amBecause it isn’t a struggle. You got the right to engage in a civil union to protect what you and your life partner have invested in. Did you stop there? No. Now you want the “right” to have everyone who does not agree with your lifestyle simply accept it, and honor it because it is the right thing to do in your eyes. To most people, marriage is between a man and a woman, and this marriage is that which is recognized under God. The “marriage” of a man/man, or a woman/woman is not a marriage at all, but a relationship.
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danielmchick
Oct. 31, 2012 at 9:46amYou’re either ignorant or stupid. What people believe is irrelevant, or are you so willing to abandon the principles as outlined by the constitution when you see fit?
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CMDR6
Oct. 31, 2012 at 10:11amdanielmchick…what is absured is the notion that so many of you have your identity and lives wrapped up in the functions of your genitalia!!
Try taking your eyes off of “you” (which is selfish and self centered and prideful…i.e. not healthy) and put your eyes on somenone elses problems and help them overcome them, and I am not talking about sex problems either. The gay rights issue is a problem and one of the many reasons is that it is VERY selfish and base. Raise up your consciousness out of the gutter of sex, and try to live a life based on real love and selflessness.
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danielmchick
Oct. 31, 2012 at 10:36am@CMDR6 –
Maybe you should think before you speak. It’d make you seem less ignorant. You must not truly understand the argument because the selfishness inherently lies with those proclaiming that the heterosexual ideological approach to marriage is the only appropriate definition. You have no idea the experiences through which my life is based. Don’t assume you do.
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TheGrtDcptn
Oct. 31, 2012 at 10:53amdanielmchick wrote…
‘You’re either ignorant or stupid. What people believe is irrelevant’…
Then what you believe is irrelevant too, which is it for you, ignorant or stupid…?!
‘or are you so willing to abandon the principles as outlined by the constitution when you see fit?’
You have the same rights every other person has, to marry a person of the opposite sex.
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danielmchick
Oct. 31, 2012 at 11:02am@ TheGRTDCPTN –
“Then what you believe is irrelevant too, which is it for you, ignorant or stupid…?!”
Neither. Constitutional analysis. The pesky 14th amendment still applies.
“You have the same rights every other person has, to marry a person of the opposite sex.”
But not to be happy, the same tax and property benefits, social security, etc. Shall I continue?
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deskjockey
Oct. 31, 2012 at 11:19amYou guys are going really off point here (and I was really proud of the civility of the previous posts). Joe Biden is a thousand years old. He actually was alive during the civil rights war that black Americans (and many supporting whites) went through in order to go to school, or eat at a restaurant, or sit in the orchestra section of a theater or the font of a bus, or, on and on and on…I have never seen a sign in a restaurant for a gay section or a sign on a theater door that says “no LGBT.” They are obscuring a real struggle and battle and turning it around and minimizing it to pander to a group of people. And how are they pandering, where is the legislation??? If you believe in the constitution what about the 10th amendment.
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danielmchick
Oct. 31, 2012 at 12:09pm@DeskJockey –
The 10th amendment is all well and good, but the federal government has prerogative over issues of taxation. Homosexual couples are taxed differently than, and are thus not equal to, heterosexual couples.
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The_Cabrito_Goat
Oct. 31, 2012 at 12:43pmYou’re talking in circles. A homosexual marriage is, legally and morally, an oxymoron, a paradox.
Cease the sophistry.
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danielmchick
Oct. 31, 2012 at 1:16pmThe irony is abounds. You made a claim, now reinforce it.
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TeresaJ
Oct. 31, 2012 at 2:02pm@danielmchick
Deskjockey’s points are exactly on the mark. LGBT groups are not being denied rights. Show me someone that would refuse to let you walk through the front door of a business, and I will back up your right each and every time.
The tax breaks you speak of, are for the purpose of raising families. Homosexual couples are incapable of producing a family together, therefore they have no claim to these “unfair breaks”. Do you know who else does not get these breaks? Singles do not. Co-habitors do not. No one else does. Are they being treated “unequally?” “Unfairly?” I’d like to think most people out there understand that raising children is an expensive business, and are mature enough not to cry foul over it.
You have a skewed idea of what equal means. Two men are unable to reproduce together. Is that “unequal” or “fair” to you? Would you like to fight nature or God about being “unfair?”
Let me tell you, being able to walk through the front door like any man, that is equality. Having laws in place on the basis of a function that a couple of the opposite sex can do, while the same-sex cannot, and protecting the family union of that opposite sex couple, is not “inequality.” Pretending otherwise is just childish.
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danielmchick
Oct. 31, 2012 at 2:54pm@TeresaJ –
No, they’re not, and yes, they are, your simplistic and immature view of equality notwithstanding. I’m not speaking of just “tax breaks,” which further evidences your undue ignorance. Try asking questions next time before you try to rebut that which you obviously do not understand.
It’s best not to judge others on their “skewed” ideas when you, yourself, refuse to see past the travesties you mentioned.
Fact is, homosexuals are just as able to raise competent and mature children as heterosexuals. The only difference is the sex of the parents. Just because one cannot bear a child does not negate this.
Oops. There goes your argument.
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danielmchick
Oct. 31, 2012 at 2:57pm@TeresaJ –
Because it doesn’t mention anything about homosexuals, it speaks about homosexuals? You’re being ridiculous.
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scarebear83
Oct. 31, 2012 at 3:26pmDaniel, What rights, defined by the Constitution, are you denied?
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TeresaJ
Oct. 31, 2012 at 3:47pm@DanielMChick
My argument applied to any kind of taxing. Taxing is not the same between any kind of individuals or “groups.” Tell me. are you in favor of the rich being taxed more than the poor (I’m not assuming you are, just curious).
“Fact is, homosexuals are just as able to raise competent and mature children as heterosexuals. The only difference is the sex of the parents. Just because one cannot bear a child does not negate this. ”
First off, you do not have adequate evidence to support that. Second, most of the studies that have gone into that area are flawed. Third, I never made that argument to begin with. I said “having laws in place on the basis of a function that a couple of the opposite sex can do and protecting that family union.” In other words, on the basis of the natural capability of procreating.
I did not argue whether or not a homosexual couple would be “good parents.” There are a lot of heterosexual couples who are not “good parents.” Shall we then make marriages run on the basis of whether or not you are a fit parent? I think not. What I do think, however, is that every child has a right to be with his natural mother and father, and to be raised by a mother and a father.
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TheGrtDcptn
Oct. 31, 2012 at 4:26pmdanielmchick wrote…
‘Constitutional analysis. The pesky 14th amendment still applies.’
‘But not to be happy, the same tax and property benefits, social security, etc. Shall I continue?’
What is under the 14th amendment…’It forbids states from denying any person life, liberty or property and equal protection of the laws.’
‘All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States, nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.
Where does it say you are guaranteed happiness…?! No one gets that guarantee, period…
Life…check…
Liberty…check…
Property…I’ll assume you are not homeless, check…
Please point out where it states Property with legal benefits…for any person…
Equal protection of the laws…’Nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.’
‘Equal protection of the law refers to the rights of individuals to have equal access to lawyers and the courts, and to be treated equally by the law and the court system in both substantive and procedural laws.’
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TheGrtDcptn
Oct. 31, 2012 at 4:29pmcontinued…
With all the lawsuits that have been filed, especially in the last 4 years, by the lhbt community, I do not believe that any of you are in jeopardy of your legal right to ‘equal protection of the laws.’
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CMDR6
Oct. 31, 2012 at 4:46pmdanielmchick…your life experiences do not matter to society. they are yours and yours alone, BUT when you and people who think like you try to influence my life (other lives and society) based on your opinions, then I will stand and fight against it. I do not stand on my opinion, but on the God’s word. So if you have an issue, go ask Him why He abhors your lifestyle (or the one you appear to be espousing). My God will help you if you want help, but you have to ask. Please do repent.
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Zipit
Oct. 31, 2012 at 8:41amThe actuall issue of our time Joe, is how to avoid electing idiots like you to public office!!!!
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skiz
Oct. 31, 2012 at 8:31amI thought you were a Christian biden. You are a fake and a phony. You will pay in the end!
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danielmchick
Oct. 31, 2012 at 9:15amWho are you to judge whether or not he truly has Christ in his heart?
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starman70
Oct. 31, 2012 at 9:58amThe real question of the times is: The treatment of mentally handicapped people, LIKE JOE BIDEN.
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CMDR6
Oct. 31, 2012 at 10:14amdanielmchick…know them by their fruit…and Joe is portraying evil fruit. Jesus said, as good tree does not produce bad fruit and a bad tree does not produce good fruit. Joe is and has been diplaying very bad fruit for many years, and this is just a great view of the rotteness…..sorry, I did not make it up. Go ask God why He does not like perversions and deviations…..
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danielmchick
Oct. 31, 2012 at 10:40am@CMDR6 –
Luke 6:37 ESV
“Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven;’” — Keep living the delusion.
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joedoesky
Oct. 31, 2012 at 11:11amDennis Prager dis-assembled Biden and his religion statements during the VP debate. The column was titled “Joe Biden’s Religion: Catholicism or Leftism? ” and here was the concluding paragraph.
Only when Catholicism agrees with leftism is Joe Biden prepared to impose it. When his Catholicism does not agree with leftism, it is reduced to being a matter of personal matter of faith, no more binding on non-Catholics than receiving the Eucharist.
And in this regard he is no different from many Jews and Protestant Christians. Their religious expression may be Judaism or Christianity, but their religion, like Biden’s, is leftism. Which is why liberal Jews and liberal Christians have much more in common than liberal Jews have with conservative Jews or liberal Christians have with conservative Christians. They share what they deem truly important — leftism.
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Dismayed Veteran
Oct. 31, 2012 at 12:29pmBiden claims to be Catholic. As a Catholic I can tell you that he doesn’t follow the teachings of the Catholic Church. What ever type of Christian he is, he is not a Catholic.
REMEMBER BENGAHZI
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The_Cabrito_Goat
Oct. 31, 2012 at 12:38pmDaniel, you who have an apostle’s name, please understand Jesus’ words in full context next time you bring up that oft cited quote.
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/why_are_christians_judgmental.html
I’ll let Rich Deem say it in my stead, have a nice day
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danielmchick
Oct. 31, 2012 at 1:15pm@The_Cabrito_Goat–
Thank you for making my point.
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TeresaJ
Oct. 31, 2012 at 2:21pm@DanielMChick
1Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
2Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
3Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
4If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
5I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
6But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.
7Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?
8Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.
9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
I Corinthians 6:1-11
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TeresaJ
Oct. 31, 2012 at 2:45pmThe above was about judgement. Considering the topic, I’d like to post the rest of that chapter:
12All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
13Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.
14And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.
15Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
16What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
17But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
18Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
19What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God’s.
The above specifically adresses fornication, but it also lends into why homosexuality is wrong, and why they cannot be “married.”
This doesn’t adress those like Brittany above, who was born with a true disorder. But given her attitude, I think God is very proud of her.
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danielmchick
Oct. 31, 2012 at 2:55pm@TeresaJ –
At least you used the correct translation. Where does that speak of homosexuals?
Again, your bias notwithstanding.
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TeresaJ
Oct. 31, 2012 at 3:25pmI am biased to God and His Word, without a doubt, and without shame. :)
It indirectly speaks against homosexuality because “two shall become one flesh.” It’s not possible for homosexual couples to do this. I’d hope you would not try to count sodomy, but I suppose you might have your own bias and ignore what medical experts have to say about it.
Getting the “right translation”… and “where it speaks of homosexuality”… I use Strong’s Concordance constantly, besides prayer and opening myself to Him for guidance, and not my own way.
Your words indicate you are yourself biased to your own thoughts. And your question a lack of reading comprehension. Just as the media took Dan Cathy’s words and inferred he would not support same-sex marriage, you can take this passage and infer that God only intended for a man and woman together in Holy Matrimony, excluding any other kinds of relationships.
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Wisdom7
Oct. 31, 2012 at 3:34pm@danielmchick
Romans 1
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are
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The_Cabrito_Goat
Nov. 1, 2012 at 1:22amDaniel obviously did not read my link, so I will provide it again.
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/why_are_christians_judgmental.html
Absorb the full context this time, and do not just skim over the title.
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conserve48
Oct. 31, 2012 at 8:25amHell – Alzheimers Uncle Joe doesn’t even know what LGBT means. He probably thinks it’s something the major league baseball players take to get ‘juiced’ up.
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Semper4everSemper
Oct. 31, 2012 at 8:20amOnly one way left to deal with the lack of press about Benghazigate – boycott. No Veterans buy a newspaper or cancel subscriptions next week unless this coming Sunday morning’s HEADLINE says “What did the President know and when did he know it?”. Start boycotting tv news sponsors on Veterans day unless the major Sunday morning news shows open their shows (Meet the Press et al) on Sunday Nov 4th, with the same question.
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lgccac
Oct. 31, 2012 at 8:18amRemembe,r folks, Biden is a heartbeat away!
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huey6367
Oct. 31, 2012 at 8:17amThis is an issue that needs addressed during a national campaign? Might want to check your priorities. I think Uncle Joe is drunk again.
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Lord_Frostwind
Nov. 1, 2012 at 7:01amNew idea for a drinking game: “How many things can a liberal make into a civil rights argument?” The best part about the game is that people are realizing how dumb it all is, and in all likelihood, all this tolerance gobbledygook is just as likely to create the problem they say it is solving. Won’t that be the best punchline ever? (probably not so much when it doesn’t turn out to be a “punchline” and just a punch, that’s for sure).
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Eastinfection
Oct. 31, 2012 at 8:16amTransgender?
There is far more discrimination perpetuated against the civil rights of Cyclops, Zombies, Cyborgs, and Elvis impersonators….
Transgenders can take their phony schmeckle and step to the end of the line…
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biohazard23
Oct. 31, 2012 at 8:12amThey don’t want equal rights, they want special rights for their confused, mutilated selves.
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danielmchick
Oct. 31, 2012 at 9:18amMutiliated, hmm? Interesting postulation. Care to offer some evidence on this?
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commonsenseguy
Oct. 31, 2012 at 8:11ambiden i an idiot who will do what and say whatever he is told,he is a commie house puppet and he knows that he is to stupid to get a real job so he better do what he can to keep this one and to exploit all the money he can,so when he is thrown out he will have enough to live on,he don’t care about anyone but himself,just like obama.
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AintLIBSjuzGreat
Oct. 31, 2012 at 8:06amImagine the media actually did thier job,this idiot and his daily anus speak would have been reported and this POS would long ago exited from public life.
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The Gooch
Oct. 31, 2012 at 8:05am“A lot of my friends are being killed, and they don’t have the civil rights yet. These guys are gonna make it happen,” Bourne told the pool reporter.
Taken out of context, one MIGHT assume this person is referring to real events. Maybe this Bourne person has friends in the military, off fighting the great war for democratization in the Middle East (an exercise in futility, yes, but one in which people are actually dying in numbers).
Nope. This is all about a fantasy land in which IF you don’t bow to the anomalies amongst, why, you’re not just a hater, you’re a (GASP!) criminal! Hell, it’s likely you not only hate members of the Alphabet Gang, but you probably want them dead. Here’s a FACT: There is no “war” in general upon this lot. Gee, how many of the attacks on this crowd IN JUST THE PAST YEAR have been exposed to be frauds?
Pander away, Joe. Let these histrionic opportunists use you to glorify their behavior and make them a protected class that gets to assert themselves above others. I suppose if the Ds lose the White House, these folks will suddenly start disappearing from our streets? Sure they will… with the “I knew a guy who new a guy…” stories.
Here’s what the REAL problem it for this lot: Most of us don’t care what they do in their private lives & certainly wish no ill upon them; we, however, do not acknowledge their “bravery & greatness”… in playing dress up & ‘hide the salami’ in a willy-nilly fashion. Boo hoo…
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kickagrandma
Oct. 31, 2012 at 8:03amhomosexual rights” like “transgendered rights” like “marriage of the same sex rights” are not of GOD, nor of the AMERICANS who love, serve, obey and praise HIM. Therefore, the “rights” of these groups who blaspheme, ignore, separate themselves from GOD (official stance of the democratic party, anyone?) serve, obey satan.
“I’d rather have JESUS than silver or gold….”
joe biden is about as godless as they come. Wonder when he sold his soul the first time? He is so lost, really. Just saw a commercial (have you seen it?) which includes the line, “0 chose joe biden as vice president (president of vice, y’all) just to prove he didn’t need one.”
DEAR GOD, please have mercy on us all. joe biden and I both stand bowed before YOU in judgement. While I like to think I live a better life than he, it boils down to this: I, too, am a sinner in need of YOUR forgiveness, healing and restoration. Perhaps the difference between jb and me is YOU ARE my GOD, my sanctuary, my rock and my hiding place.
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walnutportconservative
Oct. 31, 2012 at 8:44amAmen
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Rillobymorning
Oct. 31, 2012 at 9:51amAmen and Amen!
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golfer8805
Oct. 31, 2012 at 10:09amSatan, the boogeyman, bigfoot, are all myths my dear.
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The_Cabrito_Goat
Oct. 31, 2012 at 12:45pmEven so, lucifer is a proper and good metaphor for the fall of men lest he try to raise himself above others. Read Paradise Lost by John Milton and you will understand.
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TheHowlingOfGod
Nov. 4, 2012 at 2:30pmI think «God» would consider you a bit mental.
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davetrav
Oct. 31, 2012 at 8:03amThe failure of Obama and Democrats are the horror of our times. VOTE OBAMA OUT.
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CatB
Oct. 31, 2012 at 8:10amAmen Dave.
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Wool-Free Vision
Oct. 31, 2012 at 8:00amYou know they are scraping the bottom of the barrel for votes when they are pandering to the .01% of registered voters who identify as transgendered.
If this doesn’t scream desperation, I don’t know what does.
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Wool-Free Vision
Oct. 31, 2012 at 8:06amThat really should have said 0.001%.
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blanco5
Oct. 31, 2012 at 8:22amBut Wool—they would have us thinking that they represent 50% of the population!
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Eastinfection
Oct. 31, 2012 at 8:22amI’m still trying to figure out why the LG&Bs let these Frankensteins into their club….?
“I’m a woman and i like women!…. yeah!”
“I’m a man and i like men!…… yeah!”
“I’m a she-male and i like aftermarket sexual organs!…. ye… wait… you what?”
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joeyps
Oct. 31, 2012 at 7:59amWhat rights do I have that they don’t? Last time I checked we all have the same rights. Its already against the law to harass someone, its against the law to assault someone and its against the law to kill someone.
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SaturdaysWarrior76
Oct. 31, 2012 at 8:51amTrue!
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danielmchick
Oct. 31, 2012 at 9:22amIt must be dark with your head buried down so far deep in the sand.
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CMDR6
Oct. 31, 2012 at 10:21amdanielmchick…better in the sand than having it buried up someone’s rear end….pull yours out and see the light, its not too late for you to repent.
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danielmchick
Oct. 31, 2012 at 11:03am@CMDR6 –
You should read that quote from the scripture I provided. It’s rather enlightening.
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CMDR6
Oct. 31, 2012 at 5:03pmdanielmchick….you are good at trying to use one liners, but if you were to read the WHOLE bible, pray all day and walk in love to your fellow man, then you would better understand the nature of God and Jesus. Read the responses to your scripture quote from some other posters, they rebutted your one liner quite nicely. Sin is sin, and is NOT my opinion, but from the word of God. For the third time, if you do not like it, go ask God why He abhors the homosexual lifestyle. It is His way, not mine, so ask Him. Are you scared?
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TheHowlingOfGod
Nov. 4, 2012 at 2:35pm@CMDR6
Is abhorring LGBT folk compatible with «walking in love to your fellow man»? Also, are you gay?
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TwoLazy
Oct. 31, 2012 at 7:57amWould you buy a used car from this guy?
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kickagrandma
Oct. 31, 2012 at 8:07amOr take candy from him? Remember the story of the biker babe sitting on his lap? LOVE that photo mainly because of the faces and posture of her biker dudes with her. Wonder where those guys are? joe, you might want to look behind you, boy.
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huey6367
Oct. 31, 2012 at 8:18amI’d run him over with a used car.
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HKS
Oct. 31, 2012 at 7:55amThree people is a platform, no wonder we are in this shape.
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Vanguard17
Oct. 31, 2012 at 7:49am“A lot of my friends are being killed, and they don’t have the civil rights yet. These guys are gonna make it happen,” Bourne told the pool reporter.
Blaze: Please dig up 3 to 5 (or more) recent VALID situations in which an LGBT individual was assaulted, harmed, or murdered by straight assailants. As I recall, there was one a while ago where a guy was tied to a fence and beaten to death, and a few suicides from bullying, but the rest of them as of the last few years have been staged incidents. So whatever this idiot is saying about her friends “being killed” because they are trans-whatever, it is almost certainly an overexaggeration… or just an outright lie. Blaze, please dig some of this up.
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The Gooch
Oct. 31, 2012 at 8:07amNice to see someone else called BS on that hyperbole.
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commonsenseguy
Oct. 31, 2012 at 8:07amand in most cases, they did not tell someone that they we’re.man/woman or is woman/man and the other person got peeved, the media will not tell the whole story,just parts that fit their agenda,as for biden,the money must be really good for him to say something like this,he is a idiot and we must get rid of him and obama and send their commie buddies packing also.
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ellietoo
Oct. 31, 2012 at 7:47amThe Dems would love to make homosexual “rights” a civil rights issue but it just does not work. Our constitution makes no reference to sexual preference rights. No one is stopping a homosexual from their sexual preference anyway. Changing the definition of marriage for them is simply opening the door to indoctrination of our children into their lifestyle. It would infringe on Christian’s religious speech. The political aspect of the homosexual community are not interested in marriage as much as they are interested in fighting against Christians and their long held biblical beliefs.
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golfer8805
Oct. 31, 2012 at 10:27amChristians did not invent nor do they own marriage.
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Flippy
Oct. 31, 2012 at 7:44am“A lot of my friends are being killed, and they don’t have the civil rights yet. These guys are gonna make it happen,” Bourne told the pool reporter.
Did reporter Bourne ask for some proof that “A lot of my friends are being killed”. As far as I know it is illegal to kill anyone because they are gay or whatever in all of the 50 states. And exactly what is Binden / Obama going to do in their second term to fix this issue? Reporting from the HP sucks.
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expresso
Oct. 31, 2012 at 7:41amIf you eat one yogurt, 5 dried prunes, 2 slices of whole grain bread, one cup of Myralax then you realize why God created the other exit whole.
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momrules
Oct. 31, 2012 at 7:39amYea Democrats! Throw God off your platform and bring on the deviants! Boo God but praise the homosexuals for ” freeing the souls of the American people.”
Yep. That’s the way to save America………..sure it is. I feel sick.
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PorkPIG
Oct. 31, 2012 at 8:08am+1 ,and the MSM and network Television Is pushing this **** filth on us . There is very little I will turn the television on for anymore , other than to plug the HDMI into my laptop and watch BlazeTv, or prisonplanet.
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danielmchick
Oct. 31, 2012 at 9:17amYeah, you two, when reality disagrees with your narrow frame of mind, simply ignore it and all the bad information will go away. Please, do us all a favor and literally bury your head in sand so you won’t perpetuate this nonsense.
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momrules
Oct. 31, 2012 at 11:34amDaniel…………You don’t like what I say? Tough! Live your life as you see fit, I’ll live mine as I see fit and I’ll say what I damned well want to.
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danielmchick
Oct. 31, 2012 at 12:18pmAnd I’ll ridicule you for it all along the way. Keep that head buried; I’d hate to corrupt you with my logic and reason.
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The_Cabrito_Goat
Oct. 31, 2012 at 12:35pmGuys calm down, his self righteous zeal is too hot to control. He’ll eventually burn himself out and quit posting here. Just be patient.
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danielmchick
Oct. 31, 2012 at 1:08pmKeep hoping.
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