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Maryland Woman Has Kept Track of Every Tax on Her In 2012 — and You’re Not Going to Believe How Much She’s Paid So Far
Does Maryland resident Alice Scanlon pay more taxes than you? Maybe not. But Scanlon certainly keeps track of her taxes better than you. Much better. Down to the penny better.
“I was listening to our president about a year ago and I kept hearing him say ‘pay your fair share,” Scanlon told TheBlaze recently. “It got me thinking, what is our fair share?” So she turned to her records, and an excel spreadsheet.
Alice Scanlon, hard at work creating her list. (Photos: submitted)
“I just started looking through all of our receipts and tax filings from the past year and made columns for each,” she explained. The middle class Dundalk, MD, resident notes that she had to expand her list a number of times due to the hidden taxes she kept discovering. The average entry features a relatively small amount, sometimes only pennies, but it is all there. Gas taxes, state and federal taxes, special Maryland alcohol tax, cell phone taxes and “Bay Restoration Fees,” road tolls, mandatory union dues, and on and on. A typical entry from the list will look like this:
Scanlon’s list grew and grew — and it’s growing and growing. It is now 18 columns wide.
“There is a much bigger picture than most taxpayers know,” she insisted. ”Once you add them up it is sickening how much you are really paying and the levels of bureaucracy is borderline dysfunctional.” When asked which tax she found the most egregious there was no hesitation: “Oh, the phone bill, hands down.” Her spreadhsheet includes a footnote highlighting the litany of taxes and fees associated with it:
“Telephone fees include: MD 911 fee, Federal Excise Tax, MD local tax, Federal Universal Service fee, MD Gross Receipts Tax surcharge, Telecommunications Access of MD fee, Federal Subscriber line charge, Md State sales tax, PEG Grant fee, Regulatory Recovery Fee – Federal, Video Franchise Fee”
These fees are all the more infuriating to Scanlon when contrasted with the federal grant for free cell phones that received recent attention. The Heritage Foundation’s Foundry reports:
Welfare recipients in approximately 20 states–with more to follow– are currently eligible to receive a free cell phone with a limited number of monthly minutes. All individuals that qualify for state or federal welfare–food stamps, Medicaid, etc.–and have an income at or below 135% of the poverty level, are eligible. According to a Fox News report, the cell phone service is currently the fastest growing welfare program in the country.
Scanlon called that program “infuriating” in relation to the heavy taxes and fees she pays for her phone. ”
It is just not fair that there are so many people befitting from the system without working,” she says.
Scanlon and her husband appear to be model, middle-class Americans. They have a mortgage and have recently finished their car payments. They are also very proud that they have no outstanding credit card debt after making major financial cutbacks. But the economic downturn has been difficult for them. Scanlon’s husband, Michael, was laid off this year when the steel plant where he worked shut its doors permanently. He was out of work for three and a half months, but now found a new job as an electrician with a crane company.
So how much has this working class family paid to the government to date? A whopping $26,000. Well, actually the total looks more like this:
“This is 27 percent of mine and my husbands combined income,” Scanlon said with minor irritation, “and the total taxes paid in 2012 will easily tip over $30,000 by the end of the fiscal year.” In contrast, Scanlon said, she is only required to give 10% to her church.
“The government takes almost three times more than the church,” the devoted Presbyterian notes, “but the government dose not do even a fraction of the good that the church does.”
When asked about our national debt and spending Scanlon drew another breathless contrast. “We balance out budget as a family,” she sighed,.”Is there really any difference? If we don’t have the money we cut back. The entire thing is immensely hypocritical.” Scanlon concludes by emphasizing that her list is not political in any way, but that it is simply meant to inform middle class taxpayers like herself.
“But I am voting for Romney,” she added with a smile.
“It is not about giving the government more, it’s about them working with less,” she explained. “Just like us.”
So does Scanlon think she pays her fair share? After almost 1,500 entries onto her taxes and fees spreadsheet she laughed and said, “Oh, I think we do.”
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Ilikepeople
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 10:17amPeople are funny, “Oh I give ten percent to my church”, uh no you don’t. You mean to tell me that you spend ten percent of your time praying and fasting? Ha, no you don’t.
Ilikepeople
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 10:28amYou tell me you gave ten percent to your church, and I’ll call you a liar, or a moron or both.
RamonPreston
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 10:28amI have problems with the “my church” part. I am looking for God’s True Church. They all claim to be it but there is one one. “The church” is singular, Satan has many churches. A church for every taste.
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Ilikepeople
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 10:35amRamonPreston,
So you’re looking for God’s one true church? Does what I say make any sense to you? If not, then truly unless you be born again you’ll not find it.
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Silvertruth
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 10:37amYou are not commanded to tithe your time. Tithing specifically refers to income, that could be in chickens, lumber, or whatever if you use the older barter systems. Our modern society is built on money so it refers to that. Some churches do allow for barter items or time donations in lieu of money because some folks cannot afford to tithe money.
I would think that time would not be tithed because God has given you the time you have on Earth, why would he take it back from you? It’s like what the government currently does, taxes you on taxes. It doesn’t make sense and God is a bit above that kind of pettiness. The only time requirement I know of is that he asked is that you take a day off of work each week. He’s requested how you should spend that time off, but at the end of the day, it’s your choice. All other time you give to him would demonstrate your love and charity towards him and your fellow man. If your church is mandating 10% of your livelyhood AND life, then you are attending a pretty interesting church with a very interesting take on the scriptures.
Tithing is needed to run a church, but the question is, what does your church do with the tithing? That’s an entirely different kettle of fish.
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Treaty
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 10:37amShe was referencing finances, not time. How was that not clear?
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Bluefish49
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 10:38amthis is what you got out of this story you nitwit…..go stand in line so you can be the first on your block to vote for Obama.
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txannie
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 10:38am@ilikepeople…I just knew I’d hear your shrill whining as soon as I read this article. Now I’m just waiting for the other regular whiners to chime in and call this woman a liar, or worse, because she did her homework and found out just how badly this admin is running our government. I can hear it coming now….you can’t fault the proof so you start bashing immediatly. At least we know what to expect when we see your handle.
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cvs334
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 10:41amThe tithe is defined as 10% of your first fruits … so 10% of your time praying and fasting are not “first friuts” and therefore not defined under tithe. Technically one could say we should be praying constantly based on scriptures. I am trying to figure fasting out … i think it’s actually (like the food laws) more there to help keep our bodies in good health rather than some super spiritual significance to prayer.
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Stoneez
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 10:43amCome on, lighten up there Francis. You KNOW when people refer to 10% they are talking about MONEY. This article is about money and taxes. Let’s leave the pious arrogance to the Libs. Remove that plank…
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RobertSailing
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 10:44amI pay 10% to my church.
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jstringer
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 10:47amVery assuming. Why does it bother you that someone would tithe to their church? Many of us give 10% and more. Anyone who would be bothered by that has issues that need working out.
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Ilikepeople
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 10:47amcvs334,
I don’t care, believe what you want to about Tithing. But Tithing means to give time to prayer and fasting, and sacrificing the first fruits of {Your ideas} on the alter so to not become a glutton. It doesn’t really matter, because most of Christ’s people are getting gathered up into the land [ which is why autism is growing off the charts].
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RamonPreston
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 10:47am@Ilikepeople I am NOT “born again” because you can see me. When I am born again I will be like the wind (John 3:8). And I am not “saved” because I am still alive.(Matthew 24:13 – note the future tense.) Read your Bible again and see what it says and not what you were TOLD it says.
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joelk37
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 10:51amThe whole thing about giving 10% to the church has nothing to do with how much you pray,fast or spend time in the church doing charity or whatever. The instruction for giving a tenth comes from the Bible.
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taintso
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 10:54amYou mean a church that has a tax number for the IRS and can jail people of the pulpit who speak bad of the gods in Washington D.C.. That was part of their job before they got the number.
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Ilikepeople
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 10:59amYeah see, most people have been carried away by the flood waters, “look at that building, look at that car, who I have a great job, Ooo my favorite football team, Ooo I have all the answers.” Meanwhile the truth is that you’re getting left behind. But the truth is that God moves like the wind drawing people up into the land like autistic people.
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Jaycen
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 11:00amGood God, but the morons have hijacked this comments thread.
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vidyohs
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 11:01amHow does an article about Fed taxes immediately turn into a religious debate among fanatics?
Only 27%, she must not be adding up the local, city, county, and state taxes she is paying as well. If she did I think she would see the number is more near 50%, especially in those states that have state income taxes.
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zorro
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 11:05am“That in fact is the very reason the Vatican will turn to Islam.”
LOL. To quote you, “people are funny.” And I’ll add, ignorant and often times, downright stupid.
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Ilikepeople
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 11:07amThe good cookies are getting lifted up, and the bad ones are falling down further in the furnace.
Ilikepeople
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 11:11amSoon, people will start realizing they got left behind, because you were carried away by the flood waters.
johnjamison
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 11:13amYou people are ignorant (iilikepeople) attempted to change the conversation from the huge among of tax burden being place on every working tax paying citizen and you were suckered in.
This article should be a wake up call to everyone of WHAT OUR SYSTEM HAS BECOME AND A WARNING OF WHERE IT’S ATTEMPTING TO GO.
Our Government has become more burdening than the orginal englkish government we fought a war to get away from…..WAKE UP PEOPLE.
Don’t let troll change the conversation STAY FOCUSED ON WHAT’S IMPORTANT.
.SQUIRREL!!!!!!
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Skan
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 11:20amYou obviously “don’t like people” (opposite of your user name) or you would understand this statement. Who are you to question this family?
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jungle J
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 11:21amand the nuts respond to her.
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bbyrdhouse
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 11:27am@ILIKEPEOPLE – Your wrong … I know several people who have given much more than 10% to their church in finances an in time.
My family has given in the 30-40% (pre-tax) for more than a dozen years and there are many, many more like me.
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brezzeone
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 11:30amI beleive the problem here is taxies not the church. If you go to church and don’t like what you hear or see, find another one. The porblem is you can’t do that with your taxies.
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tltaylor76
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 11:31amWow…a bit legalistic are you. At least she is attempting to do as God asks…from you statement I would doubt that you do as much as she does. You missed the entire point of the article anyway.
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loriann12
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 11:36amI give 10% of my gross income to my church. I have the statements to prove it. When I gave 10% of my take home, I also tithed 10% of any refund I got. I used to be a Sunday school teacher, teaching one or two classes every Sunday, until I got cancer.
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loriann12
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 11:41am@Ilikepeople OK, you confused me on the autism comment….is that meant as a condemnation of autism? I have an autistic son, and he will spontaneously ask for prayer for a family member, and a week or so later that person will have a close call. It’s happened twice with my nephew, once my mom said he was in a car accident doing 80 MPH and wasn’t hurt and no one knew why. I said it’s because he was put on our church’s prayer list a week before. Goosebumps?
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drphil69
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 11:43amWow. SHE is the moron? You might want to check the mirror…
Ever heard of context? I mean, it is obvious to even the most dimwitted person what she was talking about, since the entire article is about MONEY.
So, who is the REAL MORON?
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lev8mysoul
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 11:54amOut of this whole story you have to pick on whether or not this woman and her family actually gives 10% to her church or not? For one thing, in the article, she said her church REQUIRES that 10% be given. She never once said she actually gave that amount. Besides, who really CARES if she does or not? Seems stupid to me to pick on such a thing. Don’t we have enough division in this country these days?
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Its Only Dad
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 12:05pmPharisee alert….
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LIBERTYorDEATH1776
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 12:14pmILIKEPEOPLE,
you are a fundamentalist nutjob. Stop pushing your own judgement and faith onto other people. She was making a comparison of the efficiency of government compared to private church’s based on the income they take in. Enough with your psycho “autism is caused by sin” or whatever nonsense your preaching. How about have faith in whatever religion you practice (a right defined by our 1st Amendment) and lead a good life. Your comments are just as divisive as the Left’s class/race warfare.
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black9897
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 12:17pm@ILIKEPEOPLE
As someone else pointed out, tithing means income. In fact, I think it’s the only time in the Bible where God says to test him on it. God says he will bless those that tithe and says to test him.
@RAMONPRESTON
2 things. First, it’s ok for there to be different churches. Is it the best thing? Maybe not. But the fact is it’s going to happen. Depending on why it’s ok. Some prefer a traditional style of worship, so they have a church for that. Some of its petty, but hey, that’s life. As long as they are preaching God’s word it doesn’t matter if they call themselves Baptist, Pentecostal, etc.
2nd. I’m not sure how you get you’re not born again out of that verse? Or you will be like the wind? I think that’s a different meaning of the word saved. We are saved because we have trusted in Jesus as the only way to heaven. But we will be saved in the end.
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Knightofhopex
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 12:30pmI like how the acid tongued religion bashers are out in force on this story. Do you have nothing better to do than run your mouth, ILIKEPEOPLE? You realize she was referring to her INCOME, right? If you want to bash someone you’ve never met for no reason, you should do it in real life where people know who you are and can confront you to your face for it. We don’t appreciate this kind of cowardice here, and we’re not going to stand for it anymore. Take a hike.
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R1dd1ck
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 12:35pmPlease ignore the Liberal troll. He is just trying to rile you.
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Jabber
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 12:38pmILIKEPEOPLE-
Tithing is a percentage of your income/means/property/wealth.
Worship is different and God expects much more than 10%. The Sabbath Day was set aside as an entire day devoted to God, and that’s a little more than 14% of your time on top of 10% tithing. Then there’s the admonition to cry unto God continually, day and night…pray always, etc.
But if you want to be completely technical, the Lord indicated that a perfected servant would “sell all that he hath and come follow me”-devoting everything to the Lord. Time, possessions, heart and soul. When you reach that point, you let us know. Until then, perhaps you shouldn’t judge others in a manner you don’t wish to be judged against when the time comes.
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pudssweetie
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 12:40pmILIKEPEOPLE, you amuse me and have to laugh every time you make a comment. You think you are so smart and know everything, yet time and time again you are proven wrong. It is apparent you don’t read the Bible nor have you ever looked up the meaning of the word TITHE. In the Old Testament, GOD asks his people to TITHE (word means 1/10 or 10%) of what ever they had to give. People back then had very little money so they gave 10% of things like corn, wheat, fruit, vegetables or anything else they either grew or made. Some donated live stock and others donated building materials or cloth to make clothing out of or leather for shoes. People of that time gave what they had and gave what they could. People today choose to TITHE money because it is the easiest way to give to their Church and let the Church use the money as they see fit.
Churches do not get free gas, electric or water, the Church has to pay. A Church does not get free material or labor when something needs repairing and most churches also pay their Clergy which all is paid for by the TITHES that Church members give each week or month.
Do you ever get tired of being schooled on your ignorance? Next time try looking something up to make sure you are correct before making a uneducated guess at something.
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Cray-Z-Conservative
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 12:44pm@ILIKEPEOPLE: It’s called giving 10% of your increase and is given as tithing to the church. You call them morons? I call you ignorant. Good job ignoring the entire article except for a single sentence about giving to a church. Quite the commenter you are! So wise and deep thinking!
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My Two Cents
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 1:04pmILIKEPEOPLE: I would give 10% of my paycheck if you would take your nonsensical drivel elsewhere.
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Canyouhearus
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 1:10pmShe said they gave of their money …. NOT her time, moron! And people do give ten percent to God! You need to get your head into the Bible!
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jcldwl
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 1:14pmOkay Blaze you pulled a ***** again. The top of the home page headline to this article says “ever” instead of every. Come on and get it right. Earlier is was Romney’s name spelled Romeny. To beg a quote from your boss, “my eyes are starting to bleed”. Get it right PLEASE.
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wordsofwisdom
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 1:24pmYou can ridicule & demagogue like all liberals love to do in order to try and deflect the facts but in this case The facts are in your own spending habits. As she points out the hidden tax burden on all of us is substantial & to say because you are suspicious of her church donations is a deflection to discredit the real facts. Buttom line here is this! The government at all levels are under performing & over taxing us all. If you think you can really defend the position that we need to pay more then please try laying out some facts not hyperbole & demagoguery. By the way here is a song for you “Ode to Obama” http://www.reverbnation.com/open_graph/song/13541875
My rallying call to those who see the truth & can’t stand for another 4 years of this socialist push for power.
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txannie
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 1:26pmI think ilikepeoples’ tin-foil hat fell off…..
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The_Jerk
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 1:37pmIlikepeople: “You tell me you gave ten percent to your church, and I’ll call you a liar, or a moron or both.”
If you can back that statement up with something other than your opinion, then your conclusions have some legitimacy. If you can not, that’s no different from me calling you a liar, or a moron, or both.
Actually, my conclusion would be on firmer ground. I have your statement to prove that you are at least a moron.
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The_Jerk
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 1:40pmSilvertruth, Christ never asked for W-2′s or tithing when he walked this earth. Tithing is secular. It’s an Old Testament remnant.
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SP5Rob
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 2:14pm@CVS334
i think it’s actually (like the food laws) more there to help keep our bodies in good health rather than some super spiritual significance to prayer.
Fasting weather meals, or anything else, is to show God that you will deny yourself something you either need, food, or pleasure, TV or something, to get close to or need to hear from God. It shows God that you mean business to do His business. If we get close to Him, he will get close to us.
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WATER-THE-TREE
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 2:24pmHow do you know? You don’t!
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bdandsl
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 2:26pmI’ll pray for you. I don’t think you do like people, well, maybe only people that agree with you.
God bless.
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bdandsl
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 2:29pmYou don’t know God at all by your remarks.
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WATER-THE-TREE
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 2:32pmIt might help to understand that you are actually arguing with ( ITSJUSTTIM), remember him. You are wasting your time.
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bdandsl
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 2:32pmPlease, go take your meds. You seem to be manic and delusional today.
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lemonfemale
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 2:50pmIf you are referring to her, she does not say she gives ten percent to her church as you define it. She says the Feds take three times what her church does- and since what the Fed takes is money THEREFORE what her church takes is money as well. And when someone says “I give ten percent” it is an idiomatic way to say “I tithe” and tithing is defined as ten percent OF YOUR INCOME (excuse the caps. I don’t have boldface.)
And before you call someone names, recall that no matter what we call you, it doesn’t make it true. Play nice.
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honkie
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 3:00pmYou have a hate problem, you are making Christians look like a bunch of fools everytime you open your mouth.
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Qtaug
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 3:03pmYour ignorance is breathtaking!!! The article is comparing taxes paid, against tithing (donating to the church). Your bitterness is readily apparent to everyone! Try forgiving yourself for your liberal masturbatory fantasies!
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Mr.Whitey
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 3:14pmNo…10% of her weekly income is what she is talking about. That is the standard tithing rate to ones church;
A tithe is a one-tenth part of something, paid as a contribution to a religious organization.
Now you know…
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CS_GUY
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 3:14pmYou like people, except tithing Christains? Who’s the hypocrite?
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Silvertruth
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 3:29pm@The_Jerk
Christ refers to supporting the church in the new testament both in deed and value. Recall, he was governed by “The Old Testament” in his day, there was no “New Testament”. I see no mention of Christ suspending Tithing. If your religious views see Tithing as an ‘artifact’ then so much nicer for you. Short of a prophet calling for its dissolution, that’s an unusual take on tithing.
Most faiths do not idly pick and choose their way through the Old Testament lightly. Recall, ‘He who is tithed shall not be burned’, and I would tread VERY lightly on tossing that aside, Old Testament or not. You should probably forgive most faiths that still tithe, they are pretty clear on the not being burned part.
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Quan-Pham
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 3:47pm@ ilikepeople, no more like you hate people. I give 10+% to my Catholic Church. Go ahead and call my a liar, a moron or both but you will not do it to my face because people like you will not stand up to what you believe in.
Sure you will do so hiding behind a set of keyboard and monitor but you won’t have the courage to do so in person. You lack conviction in life therefore you hate those who have conviction and brave enough to stand by them.
The Catholic church I support is not perfect but it is a whole lot better than my greedy government who breeds mediocrity.
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Redwing1
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 4:03pmI Like people…you prove the immense idiocy of this country. You go straight to the 10% to church comment and miss the 26k she has paid to the Gov’t with no comment on that. We so laugh at you.
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desertspeaks
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 4:04pmgood lord the morons ate their wheaties this morning .. apparently it’s to difficult a task to discern between what’s being discussed as to what to one garners from the story.. truly sad.
THEFT ! get it now??? the government has to STEAL from someone before it can give anything to anyone.
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JRook
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 4:08pmA valuation of the services received such as 911, police, fire, schools, parks, roads, etc. would provide some context here.
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Pontiaku
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 4:39pm⚫ ⚫ ⚫ ⚫ ⚫ ⚫ ⚫ ⚫ ⚫ ⚫ ⚫
Blah blah blah 27% to government.
Blah blah blah 10% to the church.
One has enslaved your body, the other has enslaved your mind… Helping those in need shouldn’t “require” middle men. If it does then there is something corrupt about that system of governance or belief.
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draginass
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 4:47pmanother Barry clone more concerned about the womans belief system than the fact the government is rapeing you, we revolted for much less than this and became what was once the greatest nation ever.
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carl_in_ohio
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 5:01pmhey “Ilikepeople”
you sure picked a wrong name. your comment is nasty, rude, and unnecessary.
Go back to watching cnn.com
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dcarrick
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 5:14pmilikepeople…
Perhaps you need to learn to “rightly divide” the Word. We are commanded to tithe 10% of our “increase”, which pertains to income.
Blessings.
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Mil-Dot
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 6:12pmAll so the deadbeats and leeches can live high on the hog while the rest of us work. We need to separate ourselves from these vermin. Everybody that claims to be a Dem Prog, you go over here. All the conservatives and TEA party gang over here. And if anybody crosses the line, blow them away.
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UpChuck.Liberals
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 6:28pm@ilikepeople, does it hurt to be ignorant or do you simple hate religeon and are trying to be cute. If it’s the latter, you failed miserably.
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darian
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 6:53pmFor six years I was the Scanlon’s pastor in Dundalk Maryland and I can assure you that they not only were faithful in giving 10% of their income to our church but gave in excess of 10% in both income and time. Mike served as an elder of our church and oversaw our audio visual ministry, Alice sang in the choir and was a Deacon, both taught Sunday School, maintained our grounds and buildings, and were members of our praise team. They were often the first to respond when special needs were brought to the church’s attention. Their giving fed the hungry, housed the homeless, clothed the needy, cared for the elderly, protected the abused just to name a few. They are not liars nor are the morons. They are faithful Christians, caring citizens, and hard working Americans.
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Freelyn
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 7:10pmShe was talking about tithing 10% of her income to the church. I know that many would like to think of Government(Satan) as the only church but it’s not.
Also, I will start tithing 10% to my church when it stops supporting Progressive Socialist’s and the idea that scripture somehow justifies Big Government. Somehow I think that Jesus might have a problem with the church arguing for more Roman authority over his followers. I think he might also have a problem with some churches calling for more mandatory government “charity”. Don’t you fellow Christian?
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marssnw
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 7:53pmMy wife and I pay ten percent. Generally people that complain about how much a person gives, they are usually the same people that don’t give anything or they brag about how much they give. God doesn’t honor either one of those. Ever heard the story about the little old window? She gave all she had and it was more than what the rich man gave. Ilikepeople, who are you to judge anyone? Unless you are in any of our shoes, how can you say what we do or what we do not give? I question your character more than anything becaus of your self righteous babbling.
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ThePostman
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 8:11pmGood Christians give 100% of their time in devotion to their religion, and a lot of that time is spent working so that they can care for the others around them. The government takes 30% of THAT. A man’s labor is his gift from God, and the government has no business or right to take even one penny of that.
And yet, they do.
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Exiled
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 8:26pmAs a matter of fact, yes. 10% might actually be slightly low. 10% of my income. 10% of my time, and that’s not just “sitting in church” time – and I’m not even a missionary, who give up a couple years when they’re in their late teens / early 20′s (which would also be 10% of their life up to that point, yes?)
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Pontiaku
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 8:28pmmarssnw [God doesn’t honor either one of those.]
There is no evidence that god honors you anymore or any less so stop speaking for god for you speak as god doing so.
@ThePostman
Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s.
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Chancellor
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 11:55pmTo all of you “Looking for God’s real church”
Just look for the one true GOD! as they say “The rest will tend to itself”
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AlaskanLibertarian
Posted on November 2, 2012 at 2:29am@ Ilikepeople Is the Rapture coming soon? I sure hope so so you will just leave us!
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bbg1123
Posted on November 2, 2012 at 8:10amIlikepeople,
are so convinced no one could or should do anything you don’t like … Does God scare you that much .. how ’bout shut up and let people believe what they want. Ar eyou angry because that 10% isn’t going into the government to support more of your kind … are you jealous because people can believe in something other than a bloated government that has a track record of horrible decisions with regard to spending money. Are you afraid to believe in yourself ….????
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stopspending
Posted on November 2, 2012 at 11:10amInteresting how “ILIKEPEOPLE” has managed to change the comments from how much $$$ the gov takes and then wastes to a discussion of titheing.
Let’s get back to the topic. It is sinful that the gov take so much from us and the tries to pick winners and losers with that money. Just heard that with the money we spend on means tested welfare, we could give each needy person $60,000. What a waste it is to funnel that money through our gov.
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Salamander
Posted on November 2, 2012 at 11:57amILIKEPEOPLE-You are a moron, you are disingenuous, you DON’T like people, but you worship YOURSELF, you are obviously smarter than anyone else, because you know what everyone thinks! You must think that you are God? People like the subject of your venomous reply LIVE THEIR RELIGION EVERY MOMENT OF EVERY DAY! They even pray for people like yourself! They actually pray for your salvation! Whether YOU believe they are sincere or not, why not give them the benefit of your doubt! After all, should there be any possibility that you are wrong, just think of the eternal consequences! An eternity is a LONG TIME!
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johnjamison
Posted on November 2, 2012 at 2:28pmA valuation of the services received such as 911, police, fire, schools, parks, roads, etc. would provide some context here
Yes it would JROOK,
Being that those who pay taxes act responsibly and put far less of a burden on them. But those are chicken feed compared to the welfare system that all by itself is over a trillion dollars(W/O SOCIAL SECURITY OR MEDICAID BEING INCLUDED) a year and are only used almost solely by those who DON’T PAY A DIME.
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VictoriousSpirit
Posted on November 4, 2012 at 8:17pmCall me a liar if you want to but we give 10% to the church and 3% for widows, orphans and those in need. We are working at the tithe for the Feasts of the Lord as well, which is another 10%. We believe in the whole bible, not just the New Testament and do what God tells us to do. You would not believe the debt we got out of by being obedient to God. There is freedom in keeping the commandments. See Deuteronomy 14
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RamonPreston
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 10:14amThe government has the right to take 100% of your income. We are canon-fodder for our government. Something has gone wrong with our country. Washington, Franklin, Jefferson would be speechless.
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Ilikepeople
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 10:24am“Yeah but we’re a nation of Christians because so many people give ten percent of their cash to their churches.” Except you aren’t Christians because Christians give ten percent of “Money” to their church that is prayer and fasting ten percent of your time, because [time equals money].
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RamonPreston
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 10:37am@Ilikepeople You should pray and fast but Malachi 3:8 says ” Will a man rob God? Yet you have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.”
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bbyrdhouse
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 11:35am@ILIKEPEOPLE –
“For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity.” – Acts 8:23
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Despiser25
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 11:55amTime for a Civil War to retake America form the Govt and it’s agents that have stolen it from the PEOPLE. Democrats AND Republicans…
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pudssweetie
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 12:56pm@ILIKEPEOPLE, read this and learn something.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tithe
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madasblazes
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 3:38pmObama says, “Everyone needs to play by the same rules”.
“Everyone needs to pay their fair share”.
Hear the “collective” mindset here..the ‘common good’..no individualism.
The thing is: Obama is the one making the rules, determining what’s fair.
With his mindset white colonialists owe MORE.
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johnjamison
Posted on November 2, 2012 at 4:00pmActually from the beginning Franklin Jefferson and other knew this day would come.
When asked by a citizen What have you given us Mr. Franklin he responded A Republic if you can keep it.
And Jefferson once said that our government and Country would stand until the people realized they can vote themselves money from the government.
The Founders knew then how a Republic with Democratic practices would end.
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littlebigsho
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 10:12amwhat she is missing is the taxes that are the result of the devaluation of the dollar that occurs whenever the government goes to the fed for money… after they blow through the trillions they have already stolen from the american people…..this is probably the biggest tax we pay and this tax allows the government to spend as much money as they want
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Female
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 10:41amWhen Romney gets in office, perhaps Alice’s binder needs to be amongst the potential new hires. After all she obviously is capable of sorting the peas from the carrots and lives in Maryland.
Good job, Alice and very enlightening!
Btw: the extra charges in utilities always ****** me off to…more then $100 for electricity before one usage charge…ri-dick-a-las!
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1947
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 10:45amAn Obama has been a BIG part of the lose of the DOLLAR. Americans Dollar that he’s destroying………and what goes with it……the People…..We have serious problems in that WH and the only way to solve them is the get HIM OUT…..it’s time for some very serious people to get to work to make the changes for the American people.
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coldnorth
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 9:53pmHer vote won’t count. She lives in Maryland “the Free State”. Her vote will be crushed by the landslide of liberals and uniformed in Maryland. The free state, Ha, what a joke.
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Augydoggy
Posted on November 2, 2012 at 8:35amYES! I know for a fact my taxes here in Calif run 34% of my income. I did what she has done 4 years ago now . You are correct in that inflation is a tax and a hideous tax it is. It strikes the Poor the worse. You don’t hear Oblamer say a thing about a farm worker having to pay 4.00$ a gallon for gas to drive his car to the field to pick the veggies. these lefties say the worry so much about?. And she cannot add the tax to her sheet that hidden in the cost of a product. as the companies that make a product are taxed as well and the cost is added to the price of that product.so in fact the actual taxes paid my really be more in the 50% range.. Think about it.
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Cavallo
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 10:12am“The government takes almost three times more than the church,” the devoted Presbyterian notes, “but the government dose not do even a fraction of the good that the church does.”
The God that is government is far greater than any other god and will tolerate no competition. Bow before the alter of the State and its messiah Barack Hussein Obama, peace be upon him!!! Be thankful the God that is Government has not taken and redistributed your lucky fortunes to those it deems more worthy, that it has not yet kicked in your door that you rent from the government and murdered you with State agents. For these blessings we should be thankful to Barack Hussein Obama.. mmmm mmm mmm.. peace be upon him.
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goahead.makemyday
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 12:58pmWe hear and understand oh Hierophant. We willingly lean forward and worship the state and its messiah Obama. Praise be to Obama.
(If you can’t tell all of that was sarcasm you need be a “resident” at a certain type of facility)
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paperpushermj
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 10:11amThank your lucky stars you don’t live in California. I see the Maryland State Income Tax tops out at 5.5% here in California if the voter pass Gov. Moonbeams tax increase…… it will top out at 13%
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Recceman90
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 10:20amI am sure NY State will try to catch up to Kalifornia!
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zorro
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 11:08amRecceman90, I’m sure it was an honest mistake but you mis-spelled a word in your post. It’s supposed to be “KKKalifornia”.
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Americanius
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 10:08amFinancial bloodletting a with a thousand taxes and fees. It’s the preferred method of picking the pockets of the citizen without any backlash.
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RightUnite
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 10:08amHoly crap! ENOUGH!
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Mr.Fitnah
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 10:06amIt is time for her to give back because she didn’t build that.
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RamonPreston
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 10:18amShe needs to do her part in supporting all those illegals. “Redistribution of wealth” and all that. Take from the “haves” and give to those too lazy to work.I’m retired and things are still financially tight.
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Smart
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 10:51am@I Like People: that’s a cynical stance to take. There are plenty who uphold the commandments; including that to keep the sabbath day holy. Keeping the Sabbath day rather than doing what one would do any other day is an act of faith and one in seven days is greater than 10%. In any case, you should re-read Malachi 3 as there is no such thing as a tithe of one’s time; only of one’s increase.
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RamonPreston
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 10:56am@Smart Most people keep Sunday. Jesus kept the sabbath (Friday sunset to Saturday sunset) but Constantine changed it to 12:01 am Sunday to 12:01 am Monday. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME.
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danbarlinmar
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 11:41am@ramonpreston… this is a matter of legalism. you, my brother in christ, are being legalistic in you view of a sabbath’s day rest. in matthew 12:1-8, jesus is accused of defiling the sabbath law because his disciples were plucking grain. jesus then references david’s act of eating the shewbread which had been consecrated to God. Jesus is effectively calling them a hypocrite, as he is pointing out that they were focusing on one aspect of the law, while being liberal with the others.
so i ask you, do you keep all the laws of the sabbath? for that matter, do you keep all the laws in the old testament? of course you don’t. you can’t. no one can. that is why Christ came. he accomplished what no man could or can. when jesus died on the cross, God looked at Him as if He had lived your life. He looked at Jesus as if He had lived my life. now, He looks on us as if we had lived like Christ. this is salvation, and why we are able to enter into God’s presence. so why does it matter if you worship God on saturday or sunday? he has saved you from your complete inability meet his standards. a proper response is to worship Him everyday.
sabbath means peace and rest. “come to me, and i will give you rest.”can we only come to him on saturday? or just not sunday? or are we missing the bigger picture of what it means to find rest in the Lord.
if you reject what i have said, thats fine. i just hope you won’t take any sabbaticals from now on, unless they are on saturday.
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GrayPanther
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 10:04amEarly in my working life, I realized the vast difference in my gross pay and my take home check. I used to watch my fellow workers tear off their pay check and discard their pay stub. I would ask them how much did you earn last week and they would look at their check. I told them no, what you earned was on the stub you ignored and what was left after taxes you are left with. If everyone were be paid their earned amount then, when home, have to write out checks for all the taxes and fees we might see more concern with oppressive government taxation.
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woodyee
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 10:26amAmen, brother. Ignorance is the bane of Liberty. I’m too embarrassed to tell ANYONE where I retired from, because the line at the time clock was CHOCK FULL of people the likes of which you describe in your post. It made for many lively “discussions” over the years, but many couldn’t be turned, because the storage cells in their brains were packed with “gimme” ideology and sports stats.
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jstringer
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 10:50amAmen
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Proverbs17-12NLT
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 10:00amLooks like the only ones left without “Skin in the Game” and “Not Paying there Fair Share” are the 47% system milkers who pay nothing.
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Female
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 10:34amActually, even the 47% are required to give back much of their milk, through many of the less obvious taxes!
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taintso
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 11:02amAnd they won’t even get up to milk the cow, the ones who actually get up to milk the cow are forced to give it to those who won’t. that is not charity or a helping hand that is socialism.
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objectivetruth
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 11:52amYes Yes, there you are, you little troll you.I just knew you would come out.Can’t stand the fact that people tell the truth can you?Your class and financial warfare methods are a joke and I suspect you yourself are.While I don’t believe that children should only be seen and not heard.It however is imperative that they learn when they may speak and be taken seriously.You weren’t invited to this conversation.It is for adults only.Now go take your nap.If you are really good, you may even get chocolate chip cookies when you awake.
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AuraStream
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 10:00amInflation of everything
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RamonPreston
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 10:23amWait until you have to stand in line all day to get a loaf of bread. It has happened before, including cannibalism. (That should make your day.)
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objectivetruth
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 10:00amWhere oh wherem are those who want to take away your right to vote, if you don’t owe taxes at the end of the year?Oh thats right the 47 percent don’t pay taxes right/sarcastic.This women proved, what those of us not on welfare and not rich, have known for a long time.WE ARE BEING EATEN ALIVE BY TAXES.Nickled dimed and pennied to death.Here a tax ,there a tax, everywhere a tax.
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Conservitive Ticker
Posted on November 2, 2012 at 8:24amOld McDonald…has… A farm ei-ei-o. And on that farm he has a tax, ei-ei-o, with a tax tax here and a tax tax there, everywhere a tax tax. Old McDonald…HAD… A farm, ei-ei-oooooooooooo.
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Ilikepeople
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 9:59amLiberty in America was a fleeting passing moment that died shortly after the U.S was created. They should have listened making the National Symbol a turkey rather than an eagle, because all the symbolism surrounding the U.S gave away what the land of the U.S was, and of course it was arrogance and Satan in men which made them pick the symbolism they chose. I’ve never been one to lie to myself, because I know there hasn’t been Liberty in the U.S for almost since it’s creation. A lie that people say while every mention of the word makes heads a little harder each time. All the symbolism, and the Founders might as well have just put a big target on them saying “Kick me.” And people will cry for their lost Liberty, but you haven’t had liberty – no one in America has known liberty.
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pudssweetie
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 1:05pmILIKEPEOPLE, do you have ADHD and is why you cannot stay on subject? The article is about taxes not religion or liberty.
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louie louie
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 1:26pmILIKEPEOPLEWITHFAVABEANS, I can’t make any sense of your mangled, wandering thoughts. The country isn’t perfect because it is made up of imperfect people. Our government and its tax system is becoming a problem as this article points out. But can you name another country with more liberty than America? What would you suggest we do to improve liberty in America, make you king?
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txannie
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 5:16pm@louielouie (sp?)….I think ilikepeople’s tin-foil hat fell off….nothing but gibberish from him.
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bbg1123
Posted on November 2, 2012 at 8:05amilikepeople … ironic name
Liberty in America died when the liberal figured out they could use others money to buy support for themselves. They figured out the more they gave away (no cost to themselves) the more support they got … The free republic worked until you screwed it up …
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BlackCrow
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 9:56amThose are just the stated taxes. If you were to factor in the hidden taxes like the property tax on the grocery store that get passed along to the consumer in the form of higher prices the percentage would be much higher.
Remember business do not pay taxes they collect them. If they paid taxes they would go out of business.
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paperpushermj
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 10:14amGood Points
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TexasCommonSense
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 11:34amBlackcrow, love your profile picture.
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Small World
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 9:56amThe whole damn system is rigged.
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RamonPreston
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 10:49amNewsflash! Reality is an illusion.
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Artisan
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 9:56amCheck out this short little movie. Maybe “2016″ should’ve looked like this.
http://www.dragontape.com/#!/5962022
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Artisan
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 9:54amHere’s what the movie “2016″ should’ve looked like.
http://www.dragontape.com/#!/5962022
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RamonPreston
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 10:52amCome on! Just seeing his face or hearing his voice makes me throw up.
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hauschild
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 9:53amAll the taxes the productive pay and then think about the fact that that total amount is still 1.6 TRILLION too little to fund the crony capitalism and bottom feeders.
What sucks for Romney is that if he decides to stop the gravy train for the losers, it will probably cost him a second term without question. I just don’t see how you can go from our current spending levels, minus 1.6 trillion per year and not have the bottom feeders up in arms.
Gonna be unfortunate how Romney could fix the problem and not really get credit until 20 years down the line.
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Gonzo
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 11:05amI agree that if Romney does what is needed, we see Greece like rioting (and the press labels the rioters freedom fighters) and Romney becomes the next one term POTUS and then the pendulum swings even further left the next cycle. In steps Hillary to “save us”.
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Mikev5
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 9:53amYes its true we pay a tax on almost everything we do or buy sometimes we get taxed on things over and over like Gas by the time it goes in the gas tank you got taxed about 3 times or more we get taxed to make money to keep money and to spend money
And we get new tax’s every year
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Despiser25
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 11:59amNever forget the tariff…
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Mikev5
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 1:38pmAn example that would anger you if you paid attention you have three or more small tax’s you pay on your electric bill three years ago on my electric bill my taxes were $1 for my local city $4.55 for the State and County now that’s three taxes just to get my electricity. Now those same fees are $2 local and $4.65 for the state and county taxes that’s a 100 % jump in the fee’s/taxes I pay for the privilege to get my electricity
100% Jump is that fair or acceptable? Plus how do they get away with this and this is just for the privilege to get my electricity then you have Gas, water, trash, phone, internet on and on and don’t forget your property tax that just jumped up 55% or more.
Our Government is robbing us blind and we just take it up the @zz and say nothing
People this is all to keep the unions in power and keep their money machine running
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woodyee
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 9:51amAttn Leftists – Libs:
Pay Your OWN efing share!
The rest of you (ESPECIALLY Democrats!) – read your dang pay stubs EVERY payday – please?!? READ your BILLS – electric, gas, light, heat. KNOW how much in local, State and Federal taxes you pay for every gallon of gasoline or diesel that you buy. READ your receipts after leaving the “store” and, aside from checking that you weren’t over or under-charged (yes, I’m honest), look at how much of that Bill is TAXES.
It won’t take long for you to realize that when a politician – ANY politician – talks about the rich not paying their “fair share” – that politician is talking about YOU.
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normbal
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 9:50amIt’s more. She isn’t taking into account the “fees” tacked onto licensing – cars, personal. Or the fact that the “taxes” rolled into the costs of finished goods is over 50% of the cost. Think about this last one. Every time government at any level demands a business interest pay ANY “tax” or “fee” or “insurance” for employees, THAT cost of doing business becomes part of the retail cost of whatever it is you are buying. Another “hidden” tax we don’t think about much. The “average” middle class wage earner (not one of Obama’s 47% “takers”) is truly paying close to 90% of the whole of their earnings in “taxes” of one form or another. Federal, State, Local, Property (home, auto, boat), every utility and phone, gas/oil/energy, 10% on firearms and ammo (Robertson-Roos act), the list is nearly endless. The progressives have had over a century to enslave Americans to this model of hidden taxes on activities and property and income. Now they demand we pay for health insurance. The taxes Americans revolted against in 1776 were merely 3%.
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BODYBAG
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 9:58amFEAR. We need Fear instilled in DC.
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TEIN
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 10:06amI also do not know if she listed the payroll tax that her employer pays that is not seen by the employee, but is calculated into each persons salary…
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Stelex
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 10:15amNo election is going to fix this……….I’ve always figured when all is said and done your paying at least 75% in taxes. Its absolutely criminal and the progs want even more. I’m voting Romney but I’m clinging to my guns and bible anyway.
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George Patton
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 12:06pm@NORMBAL
No one alive today on planet earth has ever experienced liberty. There is literally no place left to escape to. America was only a free country for a relatively short time. No one alive today was alive when America was free.
It is a sad thought that not one human being on the planet has known liberty. Not one person. And to think that the tyranny we live under now is considered a beacon of liberty to the world. This beacon is not bright…it is simply bright in relation to the utter darkness of the rest of the world…they are deeper in the cavern, but we are by no means on the mountain top. We simply have not walked as deep into the cave yet.
I wonder what it would be like to be free.
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Ilikepeople
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 9:46amDon’t forget to calculate into the mix loss of productivity because the government requires companies to hire certain groups rather than who is a better creator for the company, and then there’s all the bureaucratic red-tape that eats up company profits and time.
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Fubared
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 2:03pmTake meds Tim.
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Tigress1
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 9:46amPure theft.
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Ilikepeople
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 9:43amOf course I’m sure she didn’t calculate into the mix the higher price she pays for goods and services because of taxation, because most people don’t have access to that information.
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sawhite
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 10:09amMost people don’t have a clue what they pay in hidden taxes. When you don’t pay them directly, it doesn’t feel like you are paying them. When a business pays taxes, whether it is corporate income tax, unemployment tax, the half of the social security and medicare taxes for each employee, inventory tax, etc. it will pass those on to the consumer through the cost of the goods or services they sell. The other maddening thing is the hidden tax increases. Every time a credit or deduction that you are eligible for is removed, it increases the net tax you pay. So whether the government increases your tax rate or decreases the credits and deductions, they are raising taxes.
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biohazard23
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 9:41amShe can expect to be audited real soon…
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Duey2000
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 9:57amAt least she will have all of her receipts in order.
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biohazard23
Posted on November 1, 2012 at 10:21amHa, you’re right! Touche!
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