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Is Glenn Beck a ‘Bridge Between Romney & Evangelical Christians’? The NY Times Thinks So

Nov. 4, 2012 9:40pm Billy Hallowell

On Saturday, The New York Times dove into a subject that we have regularly covered on TheBlaze — Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney and his The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints membership. There’s no question that evangelical Christians and Mormons have a long history of theological disagreements, the reality of which led the Times to explore the subject, while also highlighting Glenn Beck and his role as a potential bridge between evangelicals and Romney.

Dubbing Beck the nation’s “best-known Mormon” after Romney, the Times also noted that the radio and television host “has emerged as an unlikely theological bridge between the first Mormon presidential nominee and a critical electorate.” This critical electorate, of course, is the evangelical voting cohort — a group (or at least portions of it) that, as noted, has not always received Mormons with open arms.

Is Glenn Beck a Bridge Between Romney & Evangelical Christians?

Glenn Beck (Photo Credit: FILE)

Of particular note in the article was TheBlaze TV special that Beck hosted in September — an effort to dispel some of the myths that surround the Mormon faith. Considering the decision to air this special (an analysis of the entire program can be found here), the Times highlighted that an ongoing need for Mormons to answer questions about the faith persists. Additionally, the newspaper contended that the decision to defend the denomination “raises the question of whether evangelicals will ultimately put aside religious differences and vote on common conservative issues.”

This is a subject — whether evangelicals will come out en masse for Romney — that TheBlaze has explored in detail numerous times before. As we’ve previously reported, Pew Research Center results from November 2011 found that, while Romney may have experienced some negative results due to his Mormon faith in the primary race, his general election chances likely won’t be impacted. Here’s what Pew had do say during last year’s analysis (prior to Romney securing the nomination):

White evangelical Protestants – a key element of the GOP electoral base – are more inclined than the public as a whole to view Mormonism as a non-Christian faith. And this view is linked to opinions about Romney: Republicans who say Mormonism is not a Christian religion are less likely to support Romney for the GOP nomination and offer a less favorable assessment of him generally. But they seem prepared to overwhelmingly back him in a run against Obama in the general election. [...]

There is no evidence that Romney’s Mormon faith would prevent rank-and-file Republicans, including white evangelicals, from coalescing around him if he wins the GOP nomination. Rather, the same Republicans who may have doubts about Romney’s faith are among the most vehement opponents of Barack Obama. Fully 91% of white evangelical Republican voters say they would back Romney over Obama in a general election matchup, and 79% would support Romney strongly. Overall, white evangelicals would be among the strongest Romney supporters if he is the GOP nominee challenging Obama next fall.

Just one year later, Romney is the nominee and it seems as though he’s slated to gain the support of this important electoral cohort. Still, in a close race, doubts remain, as even a small number of unwilling evangelicals could, indeed, decide the election in key states, specifically if evangelicals choose not to cast a vote for Romney.

Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney (Photo Credit: FILE)

While the Times notes that evangelicals are currently supporting the Republican over Obama (76 percent versus 17 percent), capturing the largest proportion of evangelical votes is clearly of paramount importance to Romney. On a more broader note 54 percent of Protestants support Romney, while 39 percent support Obama (results are from a recent Pew study).

As for Beck, the newspaper claims that he has been in a unique position to serve as a bridge between his evangelical fans and Romney, specifically considering his popularity on radio and through TheBlaze TV. With a prime focus on the issues of the day, Beck has held true to his contention that “the truth has no agenda,” often addressing issues and taking stances that align perfectly with the conservative electorate.

Much of the assistance that Beck has purportedly given Romney, the Times claims, is indirect:

Mostly Mr. Beck has helped Mr. Romney by directly addressing his devout Mormon faith, something the candidate himself rarely does. “I believe Mr. Romney prays on his knees every day,” Mr. Beck said recently on his radio program. “I believe he is being guided.” He has also said that a Romney victory would be “a sign from God.”

While some religious leaders still claim that they have doubts about Romney’s faith, Russell D. Moore, dean of the School of Theology at the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, told the Times that Romney’s focus throughout the campaign has been political — not theological.

“I’m frankly surprised and relieved that I don’t see a movement of evangelicals who are waiting to claim Mitt Romney as a brother in Christ,” Moore said, noting his strong views on the theological differences between Mormons and evangelicals. “He’s won over evangelicals politically, not religiously.”

US Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney talks with staff aboard his campaign plane as his wife Ann looks on at the airport in Cleveland, Ohio, on November 4, 2012. President Barack Obama and challenger Mitt Romney criss-crossed America on Sunday, appealing for votes in a two-day final dash for the US election win that both sides claim is within their grasp. Credit: AFP/Getty Images

Perhaps Moore’s views best describe the dynamic that is unfolding among evangelical Christians. Despite having initial reservations, a small portion of this cohort has seemingly come around and will, regardless of religious differences, unabashedly support Romney on Tuesday. Wall Street Journal analysis shows that the GOP candidate has strong support nationwide among evangelicals:

Mr. Romney’s support tops 80% nationwide among white evangelicals who are likely to vote, according to combined data from the last two Wall Street Journal/NBC News polls, in late September and early October. That is in line with Mr. Bush’s 78% support in 2004 and a higher share than the 74% who according to exit polls backed the 2008 GOP nominee, Sen. John McCain.

Considering the importance of Ohio, though, Romney has had an uphill battle among this cohort. According to polling last month, Romney was winning 67 percent among white evangelicals there. This is certainly a strong showing, however it could — and should — be stronger, especially considering Ohio’s importance as a swing state that could decide the race.

While his Mormon faith may not be the root cause of the weak level of support, it’s clear that Romney’s team has quite a bit to do to secure evangelicals.

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Comments (144)

TelepromoterNChief
Posted on November 4, 2012 at 11:52pm
Just think, we could of been voting for the adulterous pig Newt Gingrich over Obamama right now.

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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 9:16am
  That certainly would have made the debates more fun….
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 11:52am
  No Glenn Beck is not a bridge, he is a cult member and nothing more.
  
  Anyone who votes for Romney as their leader will have their hands in spreading ANOTHER GOSPEL Gal 1:8-9. You have been warned.
  
  Real Christians in these last days need to be doing two things
  
  (1) Spreading the gospel Romans 10:9-10
  (2) Making AFTER RAPTURE PACKETS http://youtu.be/ahEVxIzlxwo for a soon to be left behind world
  
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- SquareHead
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 2:18pm
  Well said @THERAPTURCOMES
  
  If you fear Obama, vote for Obama, but if you fear God you won’t:
  
  http://republicansagainstromney.com/
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 2:25pm
  SQUARHEAD
  
  It is almost here, the Blessed Hope, The Resurrection/Rapture and voting wont stop it
  
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whiterightwingchristianmale
Posted on November 4, 2012 at 11:46pm
President Mitt Romney, is a moral and good man. America needs a moral and good man desperately. He will be a great President. America is going to come roaring back! Christians are going to see a Mormon doing what God has called them to do. Christians are going to reawaken and God is using the good people of the Mormon Church to do it! Nothing happens in Gods world by mistake. God Bless Mitt & Ann Romney.

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- db321
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 12:44am
  Well said WRWCM – I’ll give you an Big Amen
  
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- justangry
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 8:33am
  I don’t think so. I’ve seen the flim flam from the Romney camp during the primaries and convention. Seems like another crooked politician to me.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 8:40am
  JUST….
  
  “another crooked politician” is redundant twice over…
  
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- theotherberean
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 10:10am
  Look who God has used in the past. Moses was a murderer. David was an adulterer. Solomon had almost as many wives as Joseph Smith. LoL
  
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- resme
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 10:54am
  morality; It only matters when “my” ruling class isn’t in power.
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 12:15pm
  A Moral and good man does not teach, support with tithes ANOTHER GOSPEL Gal 1:8-9
  
  All whom vote for him give their support to ANOTHER GOSPEL
  
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- theotherberean
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 2:54pm
  Well, I guess you’ll be voting for the baby killer then? A vote for anyone other than Romney is just that.
  
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- joel228
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 6:10pm
  theotherberean, I’m glad you are voting for Romney. But I have to take you to task for accusing Moses of murder. On the other story comments section you accused me (incorrectly) of saying Moses made a false prophesy concerning the land of promise. But you call him a murderer? Give me a break.
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on November 6, 2012 at 10:41am
  JOEL
  
  I am not voting for any servant of satan and I have no idea what the rest you are talking about????
  
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- theotherberean
  Posted on November 10, 2012 at 3:12pm
  @JOEL228
  
  Ex 2:12 “Glancing this way and that and seeing no one, he [Moses] killed the Egyptian and hid him in the sand.
  
  Yes, Moses is a murderer, and I didn’t “accuse” you of anything, I merely asked for clarification of your assertion. It was not an attack.
  
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whiterightwingchristianmale
Posted on November 4, 2012 at 11:35pm
I never wanted anything but a Christian for POTUS. This is after all a Christian nation, made by Christians, for Christians, but for whatever reason God has chosen to use Glenn Beck and President Mitt Romney, and I am supporting them. This is not new for God, He has used all kinds of people in history to work his will. I do not believe that God has changed, or changed how to get into heaven. Jesus is the door and no man enters another way. Christians have allowed this great nation to fall into evil hands. Prehaps this is Gods way of showing us that we need to wake up and take our nation back. God Bless America.

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- antitheist
  Posted on November 4, 2012 at 11:49pm
  As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion…
  -Treaty of Tripoli, signed by President Adams and ratified unanimously by the Senate
  
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- whiterightwingchristianmale
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 12:02am
  ANTITHEIST …..really… you go right on telling youself that. You don’t fear God? You think your smart? Tripoli? You know that what you are running from is in front of you, and when you turn it is behind you. Not alot of future being you….
  
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- PATTY HENRY
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 12:57am
  Didn’t the USA have to fight Islamic Pirates on the shores of TRIPOLI? I believe so, and I don’t believe anyone has ever referred to AMERICA as anything but a JUDEO/CHRISTIAN nation, certainly not the founding fathers and leaders including ADAMS in 1797.
  
  READ THIS: http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=125
  
  THE FEDERAL GOV. DOES NOT take a RELIGIOUS position..as it is the FEDERAL GOV. (it is NOT an THEOCRACY like ISLAMIC states. TRY to get that in your head. NOTHING said here means, however, that we were not founded on JUDEO/CHRISTIAN principles. GOT IT?
  
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- PATTY HENRY
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 12:58am
  It is my opinion that all roads lead to Jesus eventually. Or to hell.
  
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- JCReynolds
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 6:04am
  Antitheist,
  
  Let’s look at John Adams’ statement. Was the United States ever a theocracy, a church state, like there were in Europe? Absolutely not! Does that mean that there are no connections between a Christian world-view and the Founding Fathers? Same answer. I guess you’re saying Woodrow Wilson was wrong when he said that we’re a Christian nation? (FYI, most Evangelical Christians I know aren’t WW fans.)
  
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- theotherberean
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 10:12am
  It was founded on Christian PRINCIPLES.
  
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ghostlyspirit
Posted on November 4, 2012 at 11:30pm
if anyone wants to see the book i sent Romney it is on amazon.com it is called lays the stillness in god’s hand . i have other ones but this was my best so i gave him that. i sent it to tell him we love him and good luck. here is my website if your bored http://www.godandspirit.com Romney made me feel important by sending me his thank you for thinking of him and he hand signed the letter. it was when he was doing the debates with obama just saying it cuz he had so much on his plate important things and yet i was important to him too . so he will treat us like were his importance all the time we are important to him . what a great heart

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- TurboCat
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 2:33am
  Nice. I’m glad you posted that. I also had received a thank you after I had e-mailed his campaign where I had let him know I though t he was doing a great job, and that I loved his choice for V.P. and that I thought he could really make some headway by emphasizing his support for school choice so that parents could send their kids to good schools. (Very important to me that kids in poor areas get a choice for a great education).
  
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Valezka.Vidra
Posted on November 4, 2012 at 11:19pm
I’ve been holding it back for a long time now, but I think I just gotta say it. It may be totally irrelevant to the issue here, but…
MITT ROMNEY is freaking SEXY! What other woman here agrees with me on this? Whenever I see him I practically drool.

Dudes, sorry for the total lapse of self control, but wholly bajeez, is he fine!

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- LaBelle
  Posted on November 4, 2012 at 11:55pm
  YEP!! Hubba hubba! :-))
  
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- whiterightwingchristianmale
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 12:10am
  VALEZKA….. Looks like a movie star! Like a REAL man, because he is. Mrs Romney is a looker too. Beautiful couple in everyway and I am proud and excited that we have them as our President and First Lady.
  
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- canadianlady
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 12:11am
  Yep! He is drop dead gorgeous! Very easy to look at. ;)
  
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- FunFunFun
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 2:55am
  Yes!! I agree, in the handsome department, and a Tiger in getting on with real business too.
  
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- ghostlyspirit
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 5:06am
  omg I am so glad u said that cuz I wanted to say something but it was so stupid I couldnt but here goes now that you said yours lol. I was thinking I wish I could marry him :) omg is that the most gagging or what lol. but he is so dam cute and he seems so nice and good hearted .
  
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- chucksue351
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 6:40am
  you all are missing the point, we vote for president to run the federal government not do a runway
  
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StrongWesternbabeluvinherWesternMAN
Posted on November 4, 2012 at 11:15pm
all the media has their own religion and their own guidelines……it is time we THE PEOPLE pigeon-holed them out of existance……

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StrongWesternbabeluvinherWesternMAN
Posted on November 4, 2012 at 11:12pm
I dont get why the voices who have the megaphones of the television, radio, & internet ‘pigeon hole’ different faiths. Each megaphone speaker in all media venues seem 2 think that if people are of a certain faith that all adhere 2 a set of guidelines that are ‘defined by the media mouths’. Mormons, evangelical Christians, Catholics, Islamists & even Atheists have different views within each of the aforementioned categories. I know Mormons who are separated by a short geographical distance think completely different with views different from their counterpart Mormons a few miles away. This is the same for Christians, Catholics, Islamists, Buddhists etc. & yes even Atheists. We are people of freedom with different views within our own labels. Why then do we allow a group of media 2 tell us who is what? Most of them don’t know one from another anyway…

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- one.dakine.howlie
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 1:16pm
  With all do respect I believe you’re wrong about “Mormons” having different beliefs depending on where they are located geographically. If there’s one thing that the LDS Church holds as a strong point, it’s doctrine. Every Sunday no matter where you are in the world the same lessons will be taught through the LDS Church. Now you many have some members of the LDS Church who give their opinion on a Gospel subject because they honestly haven’t studied it and it could be different from the actual teachings of the church. However the LDS Church doesn’t function like other churches where you have one guy in one church giving his opinion on what a certain section of scriptures is teaching and another guy in another church giving a different opinion. This is where Christianity begins to have problems and it is this reason why the LDS Church claims to be the restored church of Jesus Christ, being given the authority from Him to spread His Gospel throughout the world once again.
  
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TJexcite
Posted on November 4, 2012 at 11:00pm
Just what is it when you work with people and do not know their religion even if they have one until there is a death in their family and the funeral is at the local LDS temple.

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- TelepromoterNChief
  Posted on November 4, 2012 at 11:47pm
  News to me.
  Didn’t know they held funerals at a Temple.
  Care to clarify?
  
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- betterthantv
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 3:26pm
  And the problem is? I’ve been to 3 funerals at my Baptist Church. Is that somehow “weird” to you?
  
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dealer@678
Posted on November 4, 2012 at 10:53pm
Off Topic. Valerie Jarrett needs to hang . That skank is the one who calls all the shots in Washington

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- momrules
  Posted on November 4, 2012 at 11:00pm
  As long as Obama is in office Valerie Jarrett is never off topic.
  
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Ilikepeople
Posted on November 4, 2012 at 10:35pm
Surely a Latter Day Saint, “A Saint” must know that the Great Flood wasn’t a flood of H2O? But you’re a Saint.

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- Max jones
  Posted on November 4, 2012 at 10:52pm
  LIKEPEEPS…..You REALLY need a qualified bible teacher son….you’re leading yourself astray. Youre a cultist aren’t you?
  
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Cosmos102
Posted on November 4, 2012 at 10:28pm
I believe Billy Graham had a lot to do with that bridge building too. Remember how Obama disrespected him? It is obvious to everyone except non believers that Obama is trying to work against Christians in this country. It is also obvious to all that Obama is helping the Moozlims. So much so that it may cost him dearly in the months to come, after the investigation on Benghazi that is.

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labrayne
Posted on November 4, 2012 at 10:25pm
Sanctity of Marriage between one man & one woman.
Sanctity of Life.
Lliving by & sharing one’s Faith.
No decision to make. Pass it to know what is in it? Don’t think so.
Mitt all the way!!

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justangry
Posted on November 4, 2012 at 10:20pm
Building bridges between evangelicals and Mormons. That won’t to his head at all. Of course he burnt a lot of bridges with Libertarians. Oh well, he obviously doesn’t care about that. I just wish he’d be honest about hating progressives. It’s not that he hates progressives, just a certain group of progressives.

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- Max jones
  Posted on November 4, 2012 at 10:28pm
  Seen this video yet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5iUFAeExb8
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on November 4, 2012 at 10:28pm
  i am hopeful that after the election Glenn will go back to standard operating conditions and go after progressives and RINOs again. The anti-Ron Paul stuff he pulled this spring and summer was disgusting
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on November 4, 2012 at 10:39pm
  Hi Soybom315,
  
  I’m the one that “secured” your data. Your Ron Paul Server website people left it open.
  
  I saw the hole they left open and contacted them. It was only then that it was closed. You should be thanking me instead of ridiculing me. I had that (your) data for months and it took months to get the Ron Paul website people to close that hole up. All your info was left open from 2009 to when I had it closed this year. That included your photo. Why can’t you just be thankful that I never posted it? The only reason I even mentioned it is because you claim to never have never been a Dr. Paul supporter.
  
  You lied and I protected you. Just show a little gratefulness if you have it in you. I still have all that info stored on an FTP server…… do you want me to post the URL here or on other sites?
  
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- justangry
  Posted on November 4, 2012 at 10:49pm
  Oh I agree. I’ll never be able to trust him again that’s for sure. The war propaganda is pretty disgusting too. Seems he’s traded reason for faith, yet I’m not seeing the honesty that’s supposed to come with that. I know he said he supported Bachman, then Santorum, but I still think that was a ruse. He’s done nothing but protect Romney from that start.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on November 4, 2012 at 10:53pm
  as i said the other night, i never said i wasnt a ron paul supporter…..You are lying about me lying. Anyways, why in the world would i say that? And why would i deny being a ron paul supporter if i am supposedly all over his websites???
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on November 4, 2012 at 11:21pm
  Hi Soybom315,
  “as i said the other night, i never said i wasnt a ron paul supporter…..You are lying about me lying. Anyways, why in the world would i say that? And why would i deny being a ron paul supporter if i am supposedly all over his websites???”
  
  Well, I saved your posts saying you never supported Dr. Paul…. I especially liked the one where you said, “Ron who?” Also the one where you said, “I’ve never supported Ron Paul.”
  
  I can post them here if you would like. I have them saved including the original “The Blaze” links.
  
  Want to see them? If you say yes I will know you are a dope smoking idiot that doesn’t remember what you post. I’ve saved every post of yours since before you changed your logon to include the ii after the Soybom315 moniker. Want to see them? Go ahead… test me.
  
  You should be thanking me and not ridiculing me.
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on November 4, 2012 at 11:35pm
  Remember this one Soybom315?
  
  Romney Revealed: Leaked Footage Shows GOP Candidate Claiming 47 Percent of Americans Will Vote Obama Because They Want Gov’t to Take Care of Them
  
  http://www.theblaze.com/stories/romney-revealed-not-going-to-bother-with-die-hard-obama-voters-because-theyre-dependent-on-govt-think-theyre-victims/
  
  September 17, 2012 at 11:42pm
  an honest whore is better than a crazy whore
  
  You had a bunch of stuff to say that day… I have them all saved. I can refute anything you say you that you never said. Including your support of Dr. Paul last year.
  
  “Ron who?” was my favorite….
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on November 4, 2012 at 11:46pm
  oh goodness – yes for the love of God please post them for everyone to see how crazy you are. I said “Ron who” because i was making fun of every pea-brained idiot on this site who says “Ron who” and “Gary who” whenever an intelligent post is made. I never said I wasnt a ron paul supporter – you lie. And it would make no sense for me to do so.
  
  Go on and post monk. There you go over-the-top again – as if you hold the key to a nuclear weapon or something. By the way Monk, how would you know if you were protecting my information? Did you steal my information from theblaze and cross check it with whatever Ron Paul website you are talking about? Sounds like a criminal act
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 12:16am
  see previous post about “Ron who”
  
  Was there something you were trying to prove in that article you just linked to?
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 12:26am
  by the way Monk, i am looking through the posts on that webpage and here is what i found so far…..Just stop now before you lose ALL credibility
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  soybomb315
  Posted on September 17, 2012 at 10:12pm
  
  @RLTW
  People like Ron Paul have the message to break down party barriers and show people the intent of the founders. A lot of people have been converted that way.
  
  Sure beats throwing your hands in the air and beating your head against the wall
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  soybomb315
  Posted on September 18, 2012 at 12:33am
  
  @snow
  did you not listen to the first minute??? His opinion on the 47% of america is clear. Romney also clearly stated that his goal is to win the 5% of independents or whatever….wow, aim high there mitt. Instead of 5%, he could have had 10% by just adopting the policies of Ron Paul
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- The-Monk
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 12:28am
  Hi Soybom315,
  “By the way Monk, how would you know if you were protecting my information?”
  
  Simple, the people hosting the Ron Paul member website made a security change in 2009 to protect the “members” from being found out. However, they left the old site open and unprotected. I found it this last June and contacted them. They were sure they made no errors and it took about a month to convince them of their mistake. That “open member site” is now closed because of me.
  
  You’re welcome you ungrateful two faced Paul/Johnson supporter. I should have just posted it instead of sealing it up. So much for gratitude…. BTW, Your photo was nice and I liked the tie. : )
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 12:39am
  so answer my question. How do you know you protected my identity? How do you know my name when all you supposedly have is a list of names. You must have stolen my information from somewhere else and cross-checked it…..Unless you are full of BS. You wont even say which website, so why should i thank you? And why would someone expect to be thanked on an anonymous website where people make up anything they want? You claim to know everything about me but you have never gotten anything right. I never had a picture, i dont live in Hampton, and you have never met me (even though you say i have)
  
  Look at the posts above, it is clear you were lying about what i said about Ron Paul. And i did nothing to ridicule you until you started into this whole thing
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 1:01am
  Hi Soybom315,
  
  Here’s the website I had shut down;
  
  http://www.campaignforliberty.com/memberlist.php?st=VA
  
  It now re-directs to this website;
  
  http://www.campaignforliberty.org/?st=VA
  
  Changing the “VA” in the first website link to any other State, ie, ME, FL, etc, listed every Ron Paul member in that State. Check with the IT Dept for Ron Paul. It was up until I exposed it to them.
  
  You used the “Soybom315″ identity for your Ron Paul membership. It was really not hard to find you there. All I had to do was look up “Soybom315 Ron Paul” and all the Virginia members were there. You were listed in “Hampton” and you had already mentioned being in “Hampton Roads”
  
  Does this satisfy your curiosity as to whether or not I’m telling you the truth?
  
  Call the Ron Paul website people…. they will tell you (maybe) when that old website was shut down. I had it shut down. They didn’t even know they left it open when they switched to the new more secure website.
  
  You’re welcome…….
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 1:13am
  ah – very good. Finally some answers. Or maybe not, you could have looked up my username – we will never know 100% cuz this is the internet. I had no sensitive information on there and i have no idea who you are – so i dont have to bend over backwards thanking you. if you did it – great, good for you. If you didnt- i will never know. That is the nature of anonymous internet
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 1:14am
  still a little weird that you would look us up and keep our information handy for future reference, eh?
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 1:33am
  Hi Soybom315,
  “still a little weird that you would look us up and keep our information handy for future reference, eh?”
  
  Not at all… I was leaning towards voting for Dr. Paul and saved everything I could find about Dr. Paul and his supporters to reference later to make a discussion. You see… I do my own research and don’t listen to others. That means I need to save things to reference later. I even posted links about Ron Paul that were really great that even you Ron Paul people had never seen (so I was told after posting them).
  
  You see…. your posts have been viewed by me/us/others that were thinking about voting for Dr. Paul. I found your posts and arguments lacking. I’m not spying on you…. I’m looking to you for reasons to vote for Dr. Paul.
  
  It seems you failed to realize the impact your posts had on me/us/others.
  
  Good night Soybom315. You failed to convince me in so many ways. Next time you are trying to convince people be a bit more careful of what you post. We are listening to you. I for one, have given you a lot of respect. I just found your posts lacking in so many ways. : (
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 1:49am
  you hype yourself up like donald trump. if you werent a hypocrite, you would judge the weight of other posters like you supposedly judged ours. we post nothing but facts and reason so if that disgusts you, then go join the democrats
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 2:03am
  One last thing Soybom315,
  
  When I found that “old (2009) open Ron Paul membership website” I searched every user name from the different blogs I visit for every State in the US. I saved everything I could find hoping to be swayed to vote for Dr. Paul. You were listed as being a member of good standing and visited The Blaze regularly. You were also from my favorite State, Virginia. I asked you many questions, poked and prodded, threw up things I found on other websites asking your opinions and looked for you to rebuke them. I looked to Justangry as well as Brother Winston Smith and others on this blog for answers.
  
  I apologize if I never let you in on my research. That’s just how research is. If I told you… you would have acted… well, like an actor. Thank you for being yourself. I still respect you and I hope you don’t feel I have cheated you or spied on you. I will delete the info (your name, location and photo) from my storage server ASAP.
  
  Give care. : )
  
  Humbly… The-Monk
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 2:21am
  Hi Soybob315,
  ” …. so if that disgusts you, then go join the democrats”
  
  I never used the words, “that disgusts me”. I did my own research and your posts and ideas were part of that. Pretty simple really. Too bad you have chosen to be so cruel… I’m further away for the libertarian party than before I met you.
  
  I’ve always called you by your full name with a capitol “S” and never by Soy or soy. I’ve always included the 315 part and never called you soyburger or soymilk and you never appreciated my politeness. I always started with, “Hi Soybom315″ and never any derogatory terms or remarks.
  
  And for all this you say, “you hype yourself up like donald trump. if you werent a hypocrite…”
  
  I won’t be replying to your posts anymore or asking any more questions. You have convinced me. Libertarians are closed minded inconsiderate self-centered fools (and most likely on drugs).
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 7:44am
  “Libertarians are closed minded inconsiderate self-centered fools (and most likely on drugs).”
  
  That’s not very nice Monk…
  
  I am a Libertarian..
  
  I am very considerate, I am pretty open- minded, and only as self-centered as i need to be to survive.
  I toke doobie occasionally but am far from being “on drugs”. I don’t even use Tylenol.
  
  Also…… “an honest whore is better than a crazy whore”…
  I remember when SOY posted this because it was in response to ME posting that i was going to “be a whore and vote for Romney”…
  
  To quote the famous Mr. King….
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sONfxPCTU0
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 8:29am
  @East
  I wouldnt worry about it – he is just trying to guilt-trip me. My wife does the same thing sometimes.
  
  If he bases his opinions off of what other people say without looking into the facts, using his instincts, or finding answers himself – he will end up a socialist some day. Also, threatening to steal someone’s personal information is very…..progressive.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 8:36am
  @East
  I also remember that “honest whore” quote – if that were the motto of every Romney vote, i would have hope for this country. Unfortunately, most people think he is going to restore this country to greatness which reveals they are crazy whores because they dont understand our problems or the solutions. I also remembered the other quote Monk tried to get me with. I dont know what is wrong with that guy – the intent of both of them was clear.
  
  I guess I will forever be on Monk’s bad side because i am a dope smoking idiot and a two-faced paul/johnson supporter
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 8:54am
  “…..trying to guilt-trip me. My wife does the same thing sometimes.”
  
  lol SOY… that’s funny because my X-wife always had this knack for quoting me back to myself….
  and never in a way that put my words in complete context.. She was like a mini- Media- Matters focused solely on discrediting me….
  
  As far as this little spat between you and my friend Monk goes, it baffles me because i view both of you as two of the more honest, consistent posters here… and i believe that ultimately you guys share views far more often than you differ.. I guess the nature of places like this is to focus on disagreements. I have to admit… that’s why i come here. Agreeing with people is dull….
  
  Peace to both of you.
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 10:33am
  Hi East,
  
  Yes, you have always been nice. I was referring to the libertarians that I personally know. Not people who say they are on the Internet.
  
  I swear, the ones I know (personally) who call themselves libertarians are the most selfish self centered useless people I know.
  
  I have been trying to find out if there are other libertarians out there who could explain Ron Paul and dialog about the research I turned up (like his voting record) but I get little response that is helpful.
  
  And I’m the one who has a problem? These “libertarians” I’ve been posting to for well over a year have been so busy flaunting the good qualities of Dr Paul that they never saw the people like be who were trying to ask questions.
  
  All I seemed to get was RON PAUL!! RON PAUL!! RON PAUL!! RON PAUL!! RON PAUL!!
  
  The libertarian party has lost me as a potential supporter. I’m staying Independent. And Romney gets my vote.
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 11:05am
  Hi Soybom315,
  “I guess I will forever be on Monk’s bad side because i am a dope smoking idiot and a two-faced paul/johnson supporter”
  
  No, it will be because you keep saying things that are not true. People who do that are called liars.
  You just said, “Also, threatening to steal someone’s personal information is very…..progressive.”
  
  So now I was stealing your info? How can that be? It was right there on the Internet. It open to all. I just happened to find it. You Ron Paul people like all that “open border” and “nothing hidden” stuff right? Well, you guys set up a new member sever with security but forgot to take the old one down. I found it and looked at it. I also made them aware of it and they shut it down. They were very upset to find the IT people failed to do that back in 2009.
  
  So go ahead and talk trash behind my back and lie about me. BTW, remember when you added the _ii to your moniker and I asked if it was really you? That was at the same time we were getting that unsecured server shut down. I was worried that someone was impersonating you because I knew your info was just floating out there on the Internet. Remember? These are just facts and not a guilt trip. Man you are really blind…. and a liar.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 3:54pm
  The-Monk
  Posted on November 3, 2012 at 2:13am
  
  Hi Soybom315,
  
  Like I’ve said before… you can say anything you want but your membership on the Ron Paul website proves you are a liar.
  
  I do have access to it so be careful who you call out…. It’s complete with your photo Hampton boy.
  
  Care to respond?
  
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HKS
Posted on November 4, 2012 at 10:18pm
I don’t think Romney or any Christian would do to his own people what Obama did to our people in Benghazi. I think both religions use the same commandments as their guide to wright and wrong. Only Muslims have allowances for his kind of behavior. Since he was raised a Muslim it’s logical that he is still a Muslim. I think they even have allowances for lying so they are quite comfortable doing it.

“Remember Benghazi”

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- TelepromoterNChief
  Posted on November 4, 2012 at 11:49pm
  You are wrong.
  Obama is a Christian.
  This week anyhow,
  It’s true. I’ve seen the ad.
  
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Ilikepeople
Posted on November 4, 2012 at 10:16pm
How come people say we are living in the age of truth, and yet somehow people don’t know the truth when they hear it? That’s not a good thing. Somehow people don’t understand when it is said as is written in Genesis that in those days there were giants in the earth. They don’t understand that it wasn’t physical giants, but that they were spiritual giants. Then men began to multiply in the earth, and then god brought a flood of his own. There were giants in the earth, and people don’t understand that when God brought a flood it was massive baby booms, population booms that [broke down the spiritual bodies of those giants]. If people can’t understand that when they are told, then what good are they?

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- Max jones
  Posted on November 4, 2012 at 10:35pm
  ILIKEPEEPS…..The giants you were refering to WERE actual physical giants called “GEBER”, they were the half breed offspring of fallen angels (Nephilim) and human women…….one of the main reasons Noah’s flood took place.
  
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- Ilikepeople
  Posted on November 4, 2012 at 10:39pm
  See, it’s like that people married and carried on giving in marriage all during the Great Flood, and didn’t even realize they had been carried away by the waters.
  
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- Seabass82
  Posted on November 4, 2012 at 10:41pm
  Where are you being taught this rubbish?! I hope not seminary!
  
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- Psychosis
  Posted on November 4, 2012 at 10:42pm
  loon
  
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- Ilikepeople
  Posted on November 4, 2012 at 10:46pm
  Seabass82,
  Haha. “Where are you being taught this rubbish?” Haha, I don’t have to be taught “This rubbish.”
  
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- Ilikepeople
  Posted on November 4, 2012 at 10:51pm
  I’m afraid you don’t realize that you’re just about out of time.
  
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- luxlife
  Posted on November 4, 2012 at 11:35pm
  Interesting take – worthy of consideration.
  
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- whiterightwingchristianmale
  Posted on November 4, 2012 at 11:54pm
  ILIKEPEOPLE…….You are Biblically ignorant. Golith was a real giant, and Noah built a real ark, and next time it will be real fire.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 9:00am
  This argument is funny because ILIKEPEOPLE and The Old Testament are very similar in that they both communicate via cryptic parables, metaphors, and analogies. If you take either one absolutely literally you will walk away scratching your head….
  
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Individualism
Posted on November 4, 2012 at 10:16pm
racist anti Semitic cult its just like voting for david duke.

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- SHASTADIANE1
  Posted on November 4, 2012 at 10:45pm
  You are an idiot…
  
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oz24
Posted on November 4, 2012 at 10:15pm
I had a hard time with Glenn being a Mormon when I first started listening to him. But I kept on listening because everything he said is so truthful, and on the money, and I feel that he really hears from God, and he follows Him, and God definitely is leading him. I can’t say that he is or isn’t a Christian, but it doesn’t matter to me anymore. The main thing is we are on the same page, and his views don’t have to be my views on Christianity. I am thankful that I was able to get past that, and I think because of accepting Glenn’s Mormonism it has indeed made it not a big deal at all for me to support Romney for President, so I would agree with the NYT’s on Glenn being a bridge.

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- theotherberean
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 10:36am
  Beck “thinks” he hears from God, but that’s because his LDS buddies have taught him to expect it. After all, he’s a Mormon and God began talking Mormons through prophets again (albeit false ones) when Joseph Smith got fed up with Christians and thew the Bible out and started over with his own ideas about everything.
  
  God stopped talking to the rest of us through prophetic revelation, once the story was told, death was sacked, and Jesus sat down at the right hand of the Father. But Mormons believe they are still getting newsletters and updates, as God changes His mind, so rightfully LDS theology has to follow. Otherwise it makes God look like He doesn’t know what he is doing.
  
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KarenKat
Posted on November 4, 2012 at 10:15pm
There are some evangelicals that won’t vote for Romney because he is a Mormon… I am a born again Christian and Mormonism is in direct conflict with my faith…. I will vote for Romney because he does stand for biblical truths that we do agree on… Sanctity of marriage and prolife! Glenn has nothing to do with my choice… But I do love Glenn!

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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on November 4, 2012 at 10:44pm
  Wait, did you just say he stands with you on “biblical truths?”
  
  What kind of “biblical truths” would that be? That Joseph Smith wrote “Another Testament” of your Lord and Savior?
  
  You religious people will justify ANYTHING.
  
  If you want to say you’re going to vote for him because he is a Republican, and you dislike Obama, that’s fine but don’t put on this fake front that he “agrees with me on Biblical truths” because his ENTIRE religion is built on converting people away from Christianity to Mormonism.
  
  Take it from an Atheist
  
  Mormonism hijacked Christianity and Christianity hijacked Judaism, and Judaism hijacked previous myths before it.
  
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- DLV
  Posted on November 4, 2012 at 11:21pm
  No thanks Mod I’m good.
  
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- theotherberean
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 10:44am
  We agree on the 10 Commandments. We disagree on most everything else.
  
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dealer@678
Posted on November 4, 2012 at 10:13pm
The only difference between Mormons and Evangelicals is Bible doctorine. What we both believe is that Jesus IS who said he was. In the end thats all that matters

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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on November 4, 2012 at 10:16pm
  sounds like a big deal
  
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- theotherberean
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 10:42am
  Actually, Christians believe Jesus Christ is someone entirely different than the Jesus Christ Mormons believe in. That means one of us is wrong.
  
  LDS
  http://tinyurl.com/8o2uzzl
  
  http://tinyurl.com/9e4ec97
  
  Christian
  
  http://www.gotquestions.org/faith.html
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 6:34pm
  “That means one of us is wrong”…..
  
  ….or both of you are wrong.. just saying…
  
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- joel228
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 6:41pm
  I have to give you credit theotherberean. At least you link to the LDS web site to show what we believe unlike so many others that link to wacky anti-Mormon sites.
  
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gyro
Posted on November 4, 2012 at 10:12pm
beware those who come bringing gifts

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momrules
Posted on November 4, 2012 at 10:12pm
I am an evangelical Christian and I will vote for Romney because I recognize the inherent evil in Obama. Obama needs to be gone, out of office, a bad memory and everything he did while in office nullified if America is to survive.

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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on November 4, 2012 at 10:18pm
  nullifying Obama would mean Romney would have to fully repeal Obamacare, undo the executive orders, pay back the borrowed money, bring troops back to life, cut programs, and balance the budget
  
  unfortunately, none of that will happen
  
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- momrules
  Posted on November 4, 2012 at 10:24pm
  Maybe not Soy and he was certainly not my choice of nominee but if Obama gets back in he will destroy what is left of this country. I don’t want that. Do you?
  
  “Bring troops back to life.”………please don’t talk down to me like I am stupid.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on November 4, 2012 at 10:25pm
  @Momrules, A lot of good people are voting for Mitt, so I understand. Be prepared though. I firmly believe he’ll continue the progressive plan to destroy our economy, Constitution, sovereignty and make us all submit to the NWO. Expect George W’s foreign policy as well. I don’t think it will be pretty, but hope you’re right and I’m wrong.
  
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- momrules
  Posted on November 4, 2012 at 10:37pm
  Just……….I am under no illusions about Romney but I am well aware of what and who Obama is. I have to vote to try and get Obama out of office. For me that is the first order of business.
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on November 4, 2012 at 10:40pm
  SOY…..Lets take a look and see for ourselves, shall we? I’d like to see some jobs at least.
  
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- dealer@678
  Posted on November 4, 2012 at 10:40pm
  Soy, You Paulestinians crack me up. Are all of you that stupid
  
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- justangry
  Posted on November 4, 2012 at 10:42pm
  @Momrules, I get it. I just think we’re being played as fools. It’s like a WWF match more than an election.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on November 4, 2012 at 10:47pm
  @Mom
  Dont be offended – i was making a joke and a serious point at the same time. There are some things that cannot be undone – such as the unnecessary death of Americans.
  
  I dont want Romney and i certainly dont want Obama. There are a million reasons to vote for Gary Johnson (trillions if you count dollars as reasons) but there is only one reason to vote for Mitt Romney. Therefore, i will vote for Gary Johnson. Besides, if me voting for Gary Johnson hurts Mitt Romney – then you should fix the election laws – i will not be held hostage by it
  
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- DLV
  Posted on November 4, 2012 at 11:23pm
  Just- will you be prepared to eat your words if Romney goes in a different direction from where you think he is going?
  
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- justangry
  Posted on November 4, 2012 at 11:45pm
  I’d be more than happy to eat my words. I’m expecting more war, debt and less freedom.
  
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- DLV
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 12:18am
  Alright then I guess we will have to see.
  
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- circleDwagons
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 12:34am
  @mom. I recognized obama’s evil in 08, the GOP did not. I have not heard romney call him out. Reagan called the Soviet Union evil. Ron Paul was the anti-obama, Gary Johnson is the next best. I don’t trust romney he is a Prog.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 1:17am
  if Romney goes in a different direction than where we say he is going – i will shave by **** and walk backwards
  
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- chucksue351
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 7:03am
  bush started the wars
  
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- justangry
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 8:54am
  Obama expanded the wars into Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia. Oh and Libya… We probably don’t want to bring that one up if you’re a lefty dimwit.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 9:23am
  Romney’s agenda and effectiveness are impossible to predict because he will go as the wind blows, and the “wind” is generated in the form of hot air coming from Congress… The make-up of Congress will ultimately be more important than who sits in the Oval Office… Without all the 2008 coat-tail riders in the Legislature, Obamacare would still be just a proposal collecting dust in a progressive file- cabinet somewhere.
  
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- theotherberean
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 11:01am
  What baffles me is how some LDS, such as Romney, can seem so logical, rational and highly successful, when it seems to me one must abandon rational thought entirely to believe what LDS are willing to believe. Seems like an oxymoron to me. Surely being a Bishop he’s not an LDS theological midget, as Beck is, so it must be that people put their brain on ignore when thinking critically about their LDS beliefs. After all, you can still have the same morals, values and ethics if you’re not LDS, but I think most LDS stay in the religion for that reason only. Everything else about Mormonism is just one big controversy after another. Don’t LDS get tired of having to defend it?
  
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- joel228
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 7:02pm
  theotherberean, yea it does get a little tiring having to defend Jesus’ own description of himself, that he was resurrected with a body of flesh and bone and still has that body to this day and will appear with that same body of flesh and bone. It would be much easier contorting what he said to mean he is really a three in one undefined substance that prays to himself and that can appear in whatever form he wants.
  
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Dougral Supports Israel
Posted on November 4, 2012 at 10:11pm
I am not a Mormon but I have much more trust in Mitt Romney who lives his faith and respects the faith of others. Its a great contrast to Obama who professes faith while attacking those who believe differently than he.

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BlackCrow
Posted on November 4, 2012 at 10:01pm
New York Times? How many ways can you say irrelevant? The leader of the dinosaur media.

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- Dougral Supports Israel
  Posted on November 4, 2012 at 10:12pm
  The NY Times is often called the Grey Lady which brings to mind the Old Grey Mare.
  
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LeadNotFollow
Posted on November 4, 2012 at 9:59pm
.
I choose the Mormon over the Muslim any day.
God bless Mitt Romney.

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- Advection
  Posted on November 4, 2012 at 10:06pm
  Amen.
  
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- Chromo200
  Posted on November 4, 2012 at 10:51pm
  Me too ..
  
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lmlownds
Posted on November 4, 2012 at 9:57pm
Will proudly vote for a man of honor. . Not a man of lies and deceit!

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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 5, 2012 at 9:15am
  You’re too late…. Ronald Reagan died in 2004.
  
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