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Blaze Analysis: The Catholic Vote Went to Obama Over Romney Despite Contraception & Religious Freedom Debates

Nov. 8, 2012 9:12am Billy Hallowell

A solid chunk of 2012, at least in the theological and political realms, was spent talking about the “War on Religion,” which subsequently — following a spat between radio host Rush Limbaugh and Sandra Fluke — evolved into the “War on Women.” At the center of the contention in both ideological battles, of course, was the Obama administration’s controversial contraceptive mandate.

The Catholic Church, infuriated over the notion that the government would force associated organizations to violate conscience by providing employees with birth control free-of-charge, launched into a nation-side campaign against the provision. Despite a concerted effort on the part of Catholics and evangelicals, alike, to expose the issue as government intrusion on personal and institutional religious liberty, on Tuesday, President Barack Obama still won the majority of the U.S. Catholic vote.

Catholic Voters Chose Obama Over Romney Despite Religious Freedom Debate

U.S. President Barack Obama returns to the White House after winning reelection, on November 7, 2012 in Washington, DC. With 303 electoral votes, President Obama claimed a clear victory over Republican presidential candidate, former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney. Credit: Getty Images

Exit polls from the highly-contentious 2012 presidential race show that Obama captured 50 percent of this coveted cohort, with Romney taking 48 percent of adherents. In the end, it was close — but the results likely weren’t what some conservative Catholics hoped they would be.

While some may wonder why gauging Catholics at the polls is important, as Irish Central notes, since 1972, the majority (or largest proportion) of this cohort has gone with the winning presidential candidate (at least based on popular vote); now, that pattern continues.

To just note a few past examples: Ronald Reagan won 50 percent of the Catholic vote in 1980, with Jimmy Carter getting only 42 percent. In 2000, Al Gore won 50 percent of the Catholic vote versus Bush taking just 46 percent (this election was a bit of an anomaly, of course). And in 2004, Bush won 52 percent of the vote, with John Kerry taking 47 percent.

It’s important to note that we don’t have extensive breakdowns of some key elements that would tell us who these Catholic voters this election cycle were, meaning — were they lapsed or practicing? What were their ethnicities? These are important elements to note, as intervening factors also play a role, beyond religious adherence, in deciding whom one will vote for.

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While LifeSiteNews notes that Catholic support for Obama decreased by five percent when compared to 2008, the down-tick was nowhere near enough to give Romney the upper-hand. As stated, digging deeper into these proportions would provide some fascinating insights. Despite CNN’s data not providing more details about church attendance, ethnicity and other factors, FOX News’ does dig a tad bit deeper on the these indicators.

Catholics, overall, chose Obama, but a breakdown of church attendance shows that, the majority of adherents who attend church regularly actually selected Romney (remember: among those not attending, we don’t know who is and is not considered “lapsed”).

Photo Credit: FOX News

Catholics who report attending church weekly voted for Romney over Obama 57 percent to 42 percent. But — those believers who do not attend weekly yielded an inverse pattern, choosing the president over the Republican contender (56 percent to 42 percent). As for Protestants, 70 percent of those who attend church weekly chose Romney (and 55 percent of those who don’t attend weekly still selected the GOP candidate).

Race, too, plays a factor. Fifty-nine percent of white Catholics chose the Republican candidate, with only 40 percent selecting Obama. While exact proportions for non-Caucasian Catholics are not readily available, it’s likely that the majority of them, instead, voted for Obama. After all, 80 percent of non-white religious people (not necessarily Catholic, but religious on the whole) chose Obama over Romney.

CatholicCulture.org notes some of the other important religion break-downs (based on CNN exit polls) that do not pertain to the Catholic vote. As stated, Protestants showed up in favor of Romney. But non-believing Americans — a growing portion of the electorate — chose Obama by a wide margin: 70 percent versus 26 percent.

On the whole, those attending church weekly selected the Republican over Obama 59 percent to 29 percent. Non-church goers (people who never attend, but who may not necessarily be atheists or agnostics) selected Obama (62 percent versus 24 percent).

Considering that the Catholic Church organized a monumental, nation-wide campaign information geared at letting adherents know about the contraceptive mandate (TheBlaze extensively covered the “Fortnight for Freedom” initiative”), these electoral results may be surprising. However, the Catholic vote is sometimes a close call when it comes to choosing presidential candidates — and this year was no exception.

The results of the 2012 election are still setting in for Catholics, Protestants and non-believers, alike. Judging from the faith-based issues that dominated headlines, though, it’s likely that religious peoples, especially Catholics, will be thinking through more viable ways to reach adherents (particularly those who do not attend church weekly) in order to get them better synced up with the issues.

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VanceUppercut
Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:39am
I guess Catholics didn’t buy Ryan’s whole “my religion guides me in screwing over poor people to pay for tax cuts for the rich” thing.

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- Obama Snake Oil Co
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:44am
  More like, god doesn’t give the same freebys as Obama does…..
  
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- SquidVetOhio
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:47am
  You define “screwing over the poor” by not robbing their neighbor using the police force of IRS to give their hard earned money to those who refuse to work?
  
  Yea, pretty sure Jesus was against stealing. Whether is was done “legally” or illegaly. Pretty sure the Bible says “if a man does not work, he should not eat”. So yea, I think Paul Ryan was telling the truth.
  
  Commie
  
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- Ilikepeople
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:48am
  If someone is poor, but happy, have they been “screwed” over?
  
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- HKS
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:49am
  Wow, you swallowed hook line and sinker.
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:54am
  Vance,
  You didn’t look at the internals of the poll. The practicing Catholics tend to support Romney over Obama
  
  The Catholics in name only did not.
  
  But you response is interesting. You painted yourself. Now I see your limitations. Must be hard being so ignorant like yourself.
  
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- The Giver
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:56am
  The top 1% pay 40% of all the taxes. Half the country no longer pays income taxes. How much money do you take from people before they leave the country and stop investing here.? What is their FAIR SHARE to you? Buckle up because Obama is going to raise taxes on the middle class too with Obamacare. Have fun these next four years. I’m laughing!
  
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- CCTiger
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 10:03am
  No one who thinks the rich are the ones benefitting has an ounce of credibility when it comes to tax policy or economic discussions. I am not part of that group, but the numbers are clear, to deny it is either stupidity, or willful dishonesty. The “rich” pay over 70% of all taxes, paid to the Federal Government, yet that is not enough, while now 47 to 49% pay nothing – anyone who can’t figure out this won’t work, or doesn’t care to look to see if all the income of all the “rich” were confiscated it would not operate the government at this level for half a year – then you are a buffoon.
  
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- barber2
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 10:07am
  VANCE: guess the political chasm the Democrat Marxists created in the campaign still exists. Same old “evil rich ” ( who pay the taxes ) versus ” good poor” ( who get the goodies ) rhetoric. So much for Obama’s phony ” compromise” baloney. Same as the last time : gridlock , then destroy capitalism. Not sure if the revolution comes before or after…
  
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- toiletclogga
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 10:13am
  Buddy, you’re about to find out what “screwing over the poor” really is. What till January 1 when the largest tax hike in the history of the US takes place. Liberals just don’t understand that people who own business’ are going to do more with less. Bottom line, business owners are going to make their money nonetheless. It’s the workers who are going to be left out in the dark.
  
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- marybethelizabeth
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 10:18am
  Who said “We’re All Catholics Now”?
  
  Another Mr. Beck Lie exposed for the world to see.
  
  Mr, Beck should be condemned by all for trying to politicize religion.
  
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- BellaMia7
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 10:21am
  Government has to put a gun to someone’s head and take the taxes first before it can give them away to the poor.
  
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- Steve28
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 10:22am
  So tell me how the war on poverty has been doing? I’d rather have a job then a hand out. Thing is your side has created this mess by taking away self esteem and making it easy to remain in poverty. You have replaced the black male with freebies. Babies are looked at as checks and not responsibilities. You don’t give a dam about the poor and their future only a vote.
  
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- michael48
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 10:24am
  vance ESAD..comrade twit….you and they will look cool in burkhas…
  
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- horsefeathers99
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 10:31am
  Vance….looks like you bought into the lies, like millions of other clueless voters.
  
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- encinom
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 10:58am
  Or the Catholics listen to their Bishops when the Bishops described the Ryan budget as immoral (something this article left out).
  
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- Gonzo
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 11:04am
  Good post Roth.
  
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- kryptonite
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 11:44am
  Blazers, Did you notice how the commie’s older daughter is already walking with her nose up in the air just like daddy? That’s why before the Savior, God had to wipe out entire generations of evil people.
  
  It would take another McCarthy to get these cockroaches and their offspring to crawl back into their holes. Just telling it like it is…
  
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- Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 11:46am
  Well, it looks like my post didn’t survive for very long.
  
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- DOra Glasberg
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 12:37pm
  98% of Catholics have practice birth control at some time in their lives
  
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- Hanner
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 12:47pm
  Looks like the Catholic Church needs to do some purging of the membership. Excommunicate all that do not attend, and those who voted in direct rebellion against church doctrine. That ought to shake things up a bit.
  
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- Trixie1965
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 1:09pm
  I guess the percentage of those who voted for Obama think Infanticide is ok and partial birth abortion is a “legitimate procedure”. Half of America has something wrong with their moral compass. A la the re-election of Barack Obama.
  
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- LB
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 1:17pm
  You do not know the truth. Good luck with following the carrot
  
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- thetruthlives
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 1:33pm
  you obviously have no idea what you are talking about!
  
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- HI_Don
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 2:24pm
  Jesus is for redistribution, just not the way you think. Read Luke 19: 12-27 –the parable of the pounds.
  24 And he said unto them that stood by, Take from him the pound, and give it to him that hath ten pounds.
  25 (And they said unto him, Lord, he hath ten pounds.)
  26 For I say unto you, That unto every one awhich hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him.
  Bottom line, those who refused to work were stripped of what they had and it was given to them that were most industrious – ie, take from the lazy and give to the rich. Now of course Jesus was compassionate and believed in charity, which is not “giving money away”. Charity is to have compassion on those less fortunate, and can only be done on an individual level. Government is incapable of charity; they are only able to administer programs. No one feels charity or compassion when they pay taxes or open a welfare check at the mailbox. Those programs are called “entitlements” for a reason because they create a sense of “I deserve this” instead of humility.
  
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- fidel1234
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 2:41pm
  Yeah and I guess the uneducated libs are not going to figure out that when you mess with the rich they just pass it on to consumers which is all of us dumb—!!!! The poor don’t own business and the rich didn’t get rich by being stupid,so by all means tax the rich so they can pass it on.
  
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- kryptonite
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 2:52pm
  DON
  Jesus was referring to servants in the Kingdom of God and their rewards. Some of those rewards will be related to our roles during the Millennial Reign of Christ; others to our status in heaven.
  
  Jesus does not believe in redistributing wealth. You could say that He will redistribute rewards, meaning that some who had a high profile on earth will lose some of their rewards to others who had no fame, because the lowly one was actually more faithful and diligent in their assigned role, and therefore BORE MORE FRUIT than the Christian celebrity. It’s all about how much fruit you bear IN CHRIST (not in the flesh).
  
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- Jack_Reacher
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 3:17pm
  Vince, you’re a moron … But who am I to tell you what you obviously already know?
  
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- yippeya
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 4:00pm
  More like most Catholics don’t have any morals
  
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- DeOppressoLiber
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 5:02pm
  here is something for the Church founded on the Rock of Judas.
  
  Catholic logic has always helped the innocent in a Catholic way.
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH_Izul6J5M&feature=player_embedded#!
  
  sing louder Catholics
  
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- Mojoron
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 5:26pm
  I’m a catholic and I am mortified at my fellow believers voting for any democrat hack who believes in abortion or contraception being paid for by the taxpayer. There are many of us who feel the same way, but there are twice of many who do not believe. They will pay for their lack of conscience at the end of their lives.
  
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- Locked
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 5:53pm
  @Kryptonite
  
  “Blazers, Did you notice how the commie’s older daughter is already walking with her nose up in the air just like daddy? That’s why before the Savior, God had to wipe out entire generations of evil people.”
  
  … Uh. Are you a Christian? Because you just advocated killing “generations of evil people” because a little girl is “walking with her nose up in the air.” That’s something NO Christian I’ve ever heard of has dared to say.
  
  I’m not surprised by the election results; disappointed, but not surprised. But when I see comments like this? It reminds me why I’m not surprised. We have weeds to uproot in our own garden; splinters in our own eye; before we can get down to the business of saying “Yes, we deserve to lead this country.” Kick out the crazies, bring back the fiscal conservative and Constitutional principles, and become a party that puts forward ideas instead of saying “I just don’t like the current slime in charge.”
  
  I dislike Obama and thing he’s trash as a president. My goal for 2014 is to get fiscal conservatives elected at local levels, and then see a good candidate in 2016. Not one we think will win; not one who panders to each niche. One who will lead.
  
  God willing it will happen. Christian God willing. Not whatever false deity Kryptonite worships, who advocates slaughtering little girls for how they walk or what their fathers have done.
  
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- yiska8
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 7:20pm
  Obama has even divided Catholics. Nothing good has come from him. There is no good in him. I keep hearing, “He’s a good man, but a bad President.” He’s not a good man, his actions prove it. He lies prove it. He’s a very talented agititator and politician. Catholics who believe in social justice, liberation theology, and gays marrying in the church before God, helped Obama win. The conservative Catholics, like myself, will probably not see the Church stand for much longer. It’s insinuated with a den of usurpers who are Catholics in name only, never attend mass, and are fine with the government telling the Church to pay for birth control and abortions. Even our faith has Obama’s boot on our necks and it just got heavier. Paul Ryan being Catholic did not make me vote for him. It was nice to see a fellow Catholic, but I knew that this nation has lost its fear of God long ago and the degenerates and wicked are ruling the earth. I figure the Roman Catholic Church has one more Pope before it collapses on itself out of weakness of inner sin and refusal to carry out the faith strictly. Catholics are now divided. Barry wins again, just like the wicked always does on earth. Lord, be with us all. We tried.
  
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- chicago76
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 8:20pm
  Obama will care for you. Obama loves you. Obama will give you cell phones. Who needs God when you can pray to Obama.
  
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- Jaimo
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:25pm
  The only thing Catholics care about is making sure their members fork up the loot for the coffers at the Vatican. The Catholic Church could buy the United States of America with as much money and real estate they own.
  
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- mlite9
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 10:48pm
  Or, the Holy See is reeling from having to pay for all their pederasty that they’d much prefer that government pick up the tab for the New Charity. They’ve been having it both ways for decades. Move along, nothing new to see here.
  
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- DeOppressoLiber
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 11:58pm
  If you do not agree with you fellow catholics and you know some of the clergy voted for him then why do you support the church? Over half your church is going against their religion why support it.
  
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- kryptonite
  Posted on November 9, 2012 at 2:58am
  @LOCKED
  Your post is so stupid, I don’t know why I even bother to reply. You liberals love to twist whatever the right says, to make idiotic accusations. Oh, right. Mr. false indignation now calls himself a Christian. Since when, dude?
  
  Any Christian knows that evil is generational, and for that matter, so is good. If you’ve read the Bible, you also know that before Jesus paid the price, there was no other way to deal with evil but to wipe it out. At one point, evil so permeated the earth, God had to send a flood and start all over again with just one family. If you think evil does not spread to the younger generations and you call yourself a Christian, then you are still in diapers. Grow up.
  
  You not only overlooked my mention of Christ in the first paragraph, but you completely ignored the rest of my comment. I don’t just dislike Obama. I hate iniquity and I hate communism, and he is guilty of both. However, I don’t want to slaughter Obama, let alone his girls. I do want commies to go back into hiding, i.e, to disappear from the national political scene. The goal of communism is to destroy freedom, therefore they are enemies of a Constitutional Republic. Yet you liberals have embraced them and handed your party over to them. (CONT.)
  
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- kryptonite
  Posted on November 9, 2012 at 3:01am
  @LOCKED (CONT.)
  Does it offend you that I call them cockroaches? They are a plague. They invade, they take over and they never step down. So boo-hoo, s*ssy pants. Stop your hypocrisy, anyway. Go huff and puff at Chris Matthews, who is thankful for Sandy’s devastation. There’s your evil guy, moron.
  
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- Locked
  Posted on November 9, 2012 at 6:51am
  @Kryptonite
  
  “Your post is so stupid, I don’t know why I even bother to reply.”
  
  Because getting pointed out as a false Christian makes you worried, obviously. It’s like someone might stop and think “Hey, yeah, advocating the slaughter of Obama’s daughter and the children of Democrats might not win us future elections,” and you got nervous. Sound about right?
  
  “Since when, dude?”
  
  Since I accepted Christ into my life, decades ago. When did you stop being one? Were you ever a Christ follower?
  
  “Any Christian knows that evil is generational, and for that matter, so is good.”
  
  Actually, all Christians I know say that individuals make their own choices, and that decides their ultimate fate. Your line of reasoning is horrific. Ironically, it’s also what I’d expect to hear from a so-called Christian pro-abortionist: kill Dem babies, because they’ll be evil! Hmmm…
  
  “Yet you liberals have embraced them and handed your party over to them. ”
  
  … what party? I’m closest to what you’d call a Libertarian now, but I align with no party since the GOP stopped being about fiscal solutions. Your implication that I’m a Democrat shows that
  1. You’ve never read my posts here
  2. You’re presumptive and judgmental
  3. You’re dead wrong
  
  “Does it offend you that I call them cockroaches?”
  
  No, it just says a lot about you and why the GOP is failing. This is America: you want to get people to buy your product? Get a better product. Don’t blame custome
  
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- Locked
  Posted on November 9, 2012 at 7:25am
  @Kryptonite
  
  Ending should read: “Get a better product. Don’t blame the customers.”
  
  The reason I picked out your post is that you had the audacity of blaming a child, and referencing how she freaking WALKS as justification for slaughtering generations. You even couched it in biblical terms to make it more palatable.
  
  I can understand being angry. I’m angry. I can understand being upset… I’m upset.
  
  I cannot understand how you think that labeling children as evil and worthy of being killed is a logical or effective response to the very real issues our country faces. That you pretend such a line of thinking is Christian is just the straw that breaks the camel’s back.
  
  As said: we have splinters in our own eyes to deal with. Your line of thinking is one such splinter. We, actual conservatives, can’t win the American people to our cause if YOUR tactic is to complain that half of them are “cockroaches” or “generations of evil” deserving slaughter. Wake up, and read the Bible!
  
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- G-WHIZ
  Posted on November 9, 2012 at 12:49pm
  When was the lasttime your “beggar-in-a-cardboard-box” was hiring millions of people to build anything?! The “RICH” are the only ones in this world who can [afford] to hire millions of US to work!! Y’a give them a taxbreak and THEY will hire millions-MORE! Oh–Yeah! all your favorite gaggets are produced ONLY by the RICHPEOPLE in PRIVATE enteprizes who hire a billion engineers/workers to make it happen. If you “gave-up” ALL things made by “therich” you would be nude by theside of the road in the snow/rain and left to starve! All of our food is a PRIVATE-ENTERPRISE produced and distributed by private-enterprise…….ALL 1%-RICHPEOPLE!!
  ALL your transportation EQUIPMENT was/IS produced by workers in RICH-PEOPLES PRIVATE-ENTERPRISE who hired hundreds of millions of PRIVATE workers. ALL “public-trasportation” equipment was made this way…ONLY 1%-ERS can afford to HIRE billions for their PRIVATE ENTERPRISES!!
  
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- kryptonite
  Posted on November 10, 2012 at 2:28am
  @LOCKED
  I have read some of your posts, and you always came across as a liberal. My bad. You are a neo-lib and you act like one, going off on a vicious, hysterical rant, accusing me of something I never said or contemplated.
  
  => Actually, all Christians I know say that individuals make their own choices, and that decides their ultimate fate.
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  Well, that makes you and your friends mighty ignorant and ineffective. Find someone to teach you about generational curses. Generational blessings are also palpable. I know quite a few cases. In fact, there are research studies to prove it.
  
  Honestly dude, who do you think you are? Your hatred is not going to destroy me or my reputation. That may be your intention, but it is obvious to anyone who read my post that you are having a hissy fit over nothing. Have you changed your screen name? There was a person who used to blog here and developed a pathological fixation on me, so I added that individual to my skip/troll list. I don’t mind a heated discussion, but you are a sick person, so I am adding you as well. Seek help.
  
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True American66
Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:38am
So, it is pretty much what we already knew…..the Godless heathens won the day….and the future. The “lapsed” or non-practicing Catholics are mostly to blame….and the Jews are, once again, the instrument of their own destruction…..good grief, are these people masochists?

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- BehindBlueEyes
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 10:09am
  They all suffer from stupidity, lack of common sense, normalcy bias and a lot are commies by choice.
  
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- Cape_Lookout_RW_Extremist
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 10:12am
  I hear ya, and I’d throw some stupid protestants (39% white) in there as well. I don’t get self inflicting pain. And a lot of black voters are like the kid who gets his brother in trouble knowing he’s going to get a spanking also. He’s willing to suffer more pain himself if he can get joy out of watching his brother get his pain. Yeah yeah yeah…racist Cape, but it ain’t racism. It is fact. I’ll still champian the black thoughts of Mia Love and Allen West. They left the plantation of the Democratic party.
  
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- encinom
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 11:00am
  Or the religious fundies are a minority and the GOP must become moderate to win a national race.
  
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- kryptonite
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 11:15am
  This is a bogus study. Those “Catholics” who voted for Obama were Latinos. Most are nominal Catholics. They are born into Catholicism and that’s it. In fact, those who do practice are often Marxist Catholics, because the Catholic Church in Latin America – and now here – is replete with commies and socialists.
  
  Most Latino Catholics never even read the Bible. Catholicism to them is a label that is totally alienated from Christ or his Word. Most think they will get the last rites, maybe go to Purgatory and their relatives will pay for masses for their deceased souls, so someday they will get out of Purgatory. Others think that because they were baptized as infants they will go to heaven if they never commit a “mortal” sin.
  
  These people did not factor religion into their candidate choice at all.
  
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- circleDwagons
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 11:25am
  I don’t trust these exit polls. How are Catholics and jews being defined? If one only goes to church once on occasion is he truly a christian?
  
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- iampraying4u
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 3:52pm
  The roman catholic church is the best man made relegion in the world
  
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LolaB
Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:36am
@NHWINTER: You are exactly right….the chastisement is not far off….and it needs to happen. My dad has a bumper sticker on his car: You cannot be pro-choice and Catholic at the same time!!! I am sick and tired of people who think they know better than God….read your bibles people!!! I am ashamed of my country and God has to straighten us out….it is just that the good will have to suffer with the bad.

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- PubliusPencilman
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:44am
  There is a difference between being against abortion personally and saying that your personal religious beliefs apply to everyone.
  
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- Ilikepeople
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:45am
  If you think it’s bad here, then just imagine how bad it is everywhere else in the world. All this corruption creeped into the U.S originally from somewhere.
  
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- Ilikepeople
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:46am
  Be careful of how much you despise your own.
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 10:10am
  PubliusPencilman
  
  There is a difference between paying for your own abortion & forcing a religious person to public fund abortion.
  
  Abortion was legal in the U.S. before Roe versus Wade BTW. It just wasn’t legal everywhere. It just like liberals to force an issue. Not only did they want to force the issue but they want it to be public policy for everyone to kick in to the tax coffers to pay for it.
  
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TRILO
Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:35am
The Catholic church has been going downhill for decades. The downfall of the church starts with the Pope and the leadership. The church has completely been taken over by the social justice philosophy and the doctrine of moral relativism. The pedophile scandal, the church allowing politicians who support pro choice agendas to remain in the church (only prohibiting them from receiving communion), support for a World bank, support for the redistribution of wealth and just recently saying prayers in Arabic; and people are surprised that Catholics voted for TOTUS.

The world has crawled in bed with the devil. The Catholic church is over just as the GOP is history.

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- PIGSWILLNEVERFLY
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 10:10am
  @TRILO – You speak the truth, frankly, that is it.
  
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- Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 10:42am
  That tends to happen when you have a culture of molestation of young boys. Yes, I know it was only a few. BUT, it is politically damaging nonetheless. How do you repair your image? You get into bed with those that can “wash you”. The Catholic church sold its soul.
  
  Of course you could make the case that the sale of indulgences, Richelieu, the Inquisition, aligning with the Nazi’s, etc. had robbed them of their soul some time ago.
  
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- by faith
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 10:43am
  Trilo said: “The Catholic church is over just as the GOP is history.”
  
  Jesus said: “I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it”
  
  Who are you going to believe?
  
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- Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 10:48am
  @By Faith,
  
  I think many sects/faiths have come and gone but Christ’s church remains the same. The “church” was people’s homes and sermons in pastures and the holy spirit binding us together in God’s word. I’m pretty sure that Christ wasn’t talking about guilded basilica’s trumpeting social justice.
  
  Don’t confuse Christ’s church (that being the spiritual sense) with the physical existence of the Catholic church.
  
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- by faith
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 11:11am
  You are probably right Cleve
  It makes perfect since. Jesus came and said He was going to build His Church.
  But left no one in charge.
  Just waited for the people to roam around with no leadership and wait 300+ years for the Bible to magically appear and then another 500 years for a printing press so all the previously illiterate masses to read His word. Yes that is His Church.
  Let’s just completely ignore the facts.
  
  Jesus chose 12 men to be his Apostles.
  For approximately 3 years he taught and groomed these men.
  He taught them in more detail than when He spoke to the public.
  Not everything Jesus told them was recorded.
  He told Peter he wanted to build a church and the gates of hell would not prevail against it.
  He gave Peter the “keys to the Kingdom”.
  He gave Peter and the remaining Apostles the power to bind and to loose.
  After His death and resurrection, Jesus appeared to hundreds of people but mostly to the Apostles.
  The Holy Spirit came upon the Apostles, opened their minds and gave them courage.
  As Jesus had instructed them, they went out and preached.
  He said to the disciples, “Anyone who accepts your message is also accepting me. And anyone who rejects you is rejecting me. And anyone who rejects me is rejecting God, who sent me.”
  The Catholic Church is the only Christian Church in existence today that can trace an unbroken lineage to these men and the Church Jesus promised.
  
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- by faith
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 11:17am
  Mass in 155AD
  
  Description of the mass as it was celebrated in his day.
  “All who dwell in the city or country gather in the same place. The memoir of the apostles and the writings of the prophets are read, as much as time permits. When the reader is finished, he who presides over those gathered admonishes and challenges them to imitate these beautiful things. Then we all rise together and offer prayers for ourselves…and for all others, wherever they may be, so that we may be found righteous by our life and actions and faithful to the commandments, so as to obtain eternal salvation. When the prayers are concluded we exchange the kiss [of peace]. Then someone brings bread and a cup of water and wine mixed together to him who presides over the brethren. He takes them and offers praise and glory to the Father of the universe, through the name of the Son and of the Holy Spirit and for a considerable time he gives thanks that we have been judged worthy of these gifts. When he has concluded the prayers and thanksgivings, all present give voice to an acclamation by saying: Amen.” When he who presides has given thanks and the people have responded, those whom we call deacons give to those present the ‘eucharisted’ bread, wine and water and take them to those who are absent.” Quoting Justin Martyr “First Apology” pages: 65-67 written: 155AD
  Sound like a Catholic Mass to me.
  
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- by faith
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 11:27am
  St. Ignatius of Antioch
  The second Bishop of Antioch, Syria, this disciple of the beloved Disciple John was consecrated Bishop around the year 69 by the Apostle Peter, the first Pope. A holy man who was deeply loved by the Christian faithful, he always made it his special care to defend “orthodoxy” (right teaching) and “orthopraxy” (right practice) among the early Christians.
  In 107, during the reign of the brutal Emperor Trajan, this holy Bishop was wrongfully sentenced to death because he refused to renounce the Christian faith. He was taken under guard to Rome where he was to be brutally devoured by wild beasts in a public spectacle.
  It was Bishop Ignatius who first used the term “catholic” to describe the whole Church. His letters connect us to the early Church and the unbroken, clear teaching of the Apostles which was given to them directly by Jesus Christ.
  He was dedicated to defending the true teaching handed down by the Apostles so that the brothers and sisters in the early Christian communities, and we who stand on their shoulders, would never be led astray by false teaching. He urged them to always listen to their Bishops because they were the successors of the Apostles.
  When Ignatius wrote the Letter to the Smyrnaeans in about the year 107 and used the word katholikos (catholic), he used it as if it were a word already in use to describe the Church. Scholars conclude that the appellation Catholic Church with its ecclesial connotation dates back
  
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- by faith
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 11:31am
  This has led many scholars to conclude that the appellation Catholic Church with its ecclesial connotation may have been in use as early as the last quarter of the 1st century.
  
  That would be years 75-100
  The Catholic church is still here today
  
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- circleDwagons
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 11:35am
  By faith what? GOD will judge his Church… better a millstone…. Love
  
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- by faith
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 12:07pm
  Circledwagons
  I’m sorrry but what does your comment mean?
  
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- kryptonite
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 1:29pm
  @BY FAITH
  The Catholic Church is the only Christian Church in existence today that can trace an unbroken lineage to these men and the Church Jesus promised.
  —
  Whoa! Wait a minute. I agree with most of what you say, but your conclusion does not follow your postulates.
  
  In re your postulates:
  -There were at least 120 believers in the upper room when the HS fell on them, including women. (Acts 1: 14-15; Acts 2:1,16,18).
  
  -Peter’s apostleship was to the Jews. He was never called to Rome. It was Paul who went to the Gentiles (Gal. 2:7-9). In fact, Peter always had a hard time mingling with the gentile believers, despite the vision the Lord gave him regarding their inclusion in the plan of salvation (Gal. 2:11-13).
  
  -Jesus delegated his authority to all believers (the Church): “Truly I say to you (plural), whatever you (pl.) bind on earth will have been bound in heaven, and whatever you (pl.) loose on earth will have been loosed in heaven.” (Mt.18:18)
  
  If you (pl.) forgive the sins of any, they have been forgiven; if you (plural form) retain the sins of any, they have been retained.” (Jn 20:23)
  
  But you (pl.) are a royal PRIESTHOOD… in order that you (pl.) may proclaim the excellences of him who called you (pl.) out of darkness into his marvelous light. (1 Pet.2:9) (CONT.)
  
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- kryptonite
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 1:33pm
  BY FAITH (CONT.)
  -Jesus established FIVE (not one) ministerial roles in the Church: He (Christ) gave some as apostles, some as prophets, some as evangelists, some as pastors and teachers… for the building up of the body of Christ. (Eph. 4:11-12)
  
  Your conclusion is a non sequitur. All Christians recognize the foundations laid by the 12 apostles (Jude 1: 17;Rev. 21:14).
  
  We part ways, because our cornerstone is not Peter — who BTW was married (Matt. 8:14; 1 Cor. 9:5) — but CHRIST: “…having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone” (Eph. 2:20).
  
  The papal lineage is hazy at best from its inception: “…the Annuario Pontificio attaches no consecutive numbers to the popes, stating that it is impossible to decide which side represented at various times the legitimate succession…. The 2001 edition of the Annuario Pontificio introduced “almost 200 corrections to its existing biographies of the popes, from St Peter to John Paul II”. The corrections concerned dates, especially in the first two centuries, birthplaces and the family name of one pope. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_popes
  
  Changes and “corrections” have been made. So no, your alleged fool-proof lineage is man-made and therefore completely unreliable.
  
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- circleDwagons
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 1:58pm
  @byfaith. I did not understand the purpose of your post. God will judge His Church. The millstone is a warning to priests and believers.
  
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- by faith
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 2:11pm
  Kryptonite
  I see where you disagree with my Churches teachings, but where is your churches lineage?
  You can read into scripture and change its original context to try to get the words to agree with what you want them to say, but you then need to get past centuries of Christianity with only ONE Church.
  1 Christian church from 1st century to 431 (first schism – Assyrian Church), 451 (Oriental Orthodox)
  Then nothing for 600 years. 11th Century saw the Eastern Orthodoxy split
  From year 1 of Christianity and the following 1,500 years you had 4 Christian Churches in the world.
  In the 500 or so years since the “reformation” you now have 41,000 Christian Churches.
  Most of the origin of what you wrote can be traced to the reformation or later
  Speaking of believing the teachings of man. Peter was not to only preach to the Jews. That is a man-made teaching. Peter and all the apostles were to preach the good news to the entire world.
  Here is a simple one. Peter was married. True with the infancies on was. The Bible does not say Peter had a wife during his time with Jesus. It says he had a mother-in-law, but the disposition of his wife is not addressed.
  Of course Jesus is the cornerstone of the Christian Church, Catholics believe Peter was chosen by Jesus to head his earthly church. http://www.catholic.com/magazine/articles/peter%E2%80%99s-authority
  
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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 2:27pm
  Actually, Vatican II started it.
  
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- by faith
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 2:41pm
  Ghost
  your comment might as well say bigfoot did it.
  
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- by faith
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 4:31pm
  BTW Krypto
  The link I gave you is written by Fr. Dwight Longernecker
  Fr. Dwight is one of the 150 or so married priest in the United States. He’s married to Alison. They have four children.
  
  OMG a married Catholic Priest….There are more married priest in the US than almost every other demoniation. Not by percentage of course, but in total numbers. Considering most denominations are made up of 1 or 2 “pastors”.
  
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- kryptonite
  Posted on November 9, 2012 at 1:58am
  BY FAITH
  My reply to you did not post. Let me try again.
  
  1. The politicization of the Church through Constantine was what led it into darkness. The Emperor stopped the persecution of Christians, but it came at a high price. The State began to dictate to the Church. The Roman bishop, who had exercised considerable authority when Rome was the capital, strove to retain his longstanding power, now threatened by the bishop of Constantinople. It went downhill from then on.
  
  Papacy is nowhere to be found in the writings of the Early Fathers. The EKumenical Councils (EC) rejected that notion too. In fact, given the constant lust for power by the Roman bishops, the third EC ruled that “no bishop may call himself ‘Prince of Bishops’ or ‘Supreme Bishop’ or any other title which suggests supremacy (canon 39), and “Pope” Leo was addressed by the other bishops at the fourth EC simply as “Archbishop Leo.”
  
  It was only after the East-West Split in 1054 AD that Matt. 16:18 was said to refer to Roman papal lineage. No such mention exists in previous Church history. So you see, you Catholics have it backwards: It was ultimately the Roman Catholic bishop who split from the Council of Bishops that presided over the Catholic (universal) Church. You were the actual dissenters, and not the other way around. (CONT.)
  
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- kryptonite
  Posted on November 9, 2012 at 2:02am
  BY FAITH (CONT.)
  2. Peter’s calling to the Jews has to do with his apostleship not with the Great Commission given to all believers.
  
  Did you purposefully ignore the verse (1 Cor. 9:5), where it plainly states that Peter traveled with his wife? You are the one who is blinded by your church traditions. Your pope must be celibate, but Peter was married, which BTW is not a sin. Forbidding to marry is a doctrine of demons (1 Pet. 4: 1, 3), so those priests who are choosing to marry rather than commit adultery or forsake their calling do well. Voilà.
  
  My initial point of contention was that the Catholic papal lineage has been “corrected” over time, so it is flawed. You haven’t been able to contest that. Also you have been unable to prove that said lineage even matters. The only lineage included in the Bible is Christ’s. Ministers do not require lineages, which leads me to my next point. The fact that you go to pains to establish a lineage for your popes, and that furthermore you make him to be infallible does indicate that he is the cornerstone of your church; he decrees and he is infallible. Only God decrees, and only He is infallible. Thank God for those Catholics who are saved despite it all. :)
  
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- by faith
  Posted on November 9, 2012 at 9:33am
  I see you start your case for the downward spiral of the Church with Constantine. Yet another modern argument, but none the less I will only suppose this. The edict of Milan was issued in 313. I gave you historical proof the Catholic Church predated this by nearly 300 years. So again Jesus established His church and says the gates of hell will not prevail against it. (did you read the link from Fr Longernecker?)
  I must ask the question. Do you believe Jesus was lying or just wrong?
  The centuries of evidence are still your biggest hurdle.
  1 Corinthians 9:5 Do we not have the right to take along a believing wife,as do the other apostles and the brothers of the Lord and Cephas?
  This passage says Cephas (the Rock) has the right to take along a wife does not say he has a wife.
  The right to have a wife is not the same as having a wife. Also does not give any indication if this is a first wife or second wife…in the vernacular of the time this passage could also be translated as sister. Not necessary a biological sister, but a female who prepares food and clothing and other household duties.
  Corrections made to Papal lineage are not a concern. You imply any correction makes the entire exercise a falsehood. Were there bad Popes, Yes. Some Popes did some very despicable things, even teaching heresy. But Jesus promised he would send a “helper” to watch over and guide His church. Something that preexists cannot break away from something that comes centuries later
  
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- by faith
  Posted on November 9, 2012 at 9:34am
  “It was only after the East-West Split in 1054 AD that Matt. 16:18 was said to refer to Roman papal lineage” Matt. 16:18 was written between 40-70AD ten centuries before the split. The church fathers were using this passage for 1,000 years by this time.
  Peter’s calling came from Jesus. “feed my sheep”…”lead my sheep”…”feed my sheep” Not feed my Jewish sheep I’ll send someone else to take care of the gentiles.
  “Papacy is nowhere to be found in the writings of the Early Fathers” This is true, but misleading. The word or title Papacy did not exist at the time so no Papacy is not mentioned, however the responsibilities and the head of the earthly church is addressed by both scripture and the church fathers. Airplanes and cars were not mentioned by the church fathers either, but modes of transportation are. Does not prove cars and planes are evil.
  Again you keep trying to prove my churches lineage is wrong, yet you make no attempt to postulate where the true lineage runs to your church. You don’t even mention your denomination or non-denomination.
  
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- by faith
  Posted on November 9, 2012 at 9:58am
  This entire exercise comes down to authority. Catholics believe Jesus established an earthly authority. Non-Catholics believe each person is infallibly lead by the spirit to the truth. Catholics use scripture to support our faith and say the Spirit guides the Church and keeps her from error. We profess One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. Non-Catholics use scriture to support the believe that they are inerrant, all 40,000 denominations.
  
  One other comment, I have only defendend my Church. You have only attempted to denigrate my faith. True faith is what you believe in, not what you believe is not right. God gave you free will, I will not question that, believe as you wish. If God wants you to be Catholic you will be and vise versa.
  
  Last analogy: Compare faith to a meal. You can get all your nutrition needs met a McDonalds. I on the other hand prefer to eat at Ruth’s Chris. Both feed, yet one has more to offer. Can you get to heaven your way, YES. The Catholic Church offers the fullness of faith.
  
  If you wish more information, visit http://www.catholic.com
  
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- kryptonite
  Posted on November 10, 2012 at 1:02am
  @BY FAITH
  The Catholic Church is the only Christian Church in existence today that can trace an unbroken lineage to these men and the Church Jesus promised.”
  —
  That was your initial, exclusivist and erroneous statement, since even the Annuario Pontificio admits there is no such thing as an “unbroken lineage.” So search your soul before you accuse me of attacking your faith.
  
  Sorry, but your arguments are all faulty. The ONE church you speak of was Catholic in the universal sense. It only became ROMAN Catholic when the Roman bishop lifted himself above all others.
  
  Papacy was just the term I chose to use. But clearly I was referring to the concept, not the word itself: “The EKumenical Councils (EC) rejected that notion too.”
  
  As for Peter, I’ll borrow some of the initial sarcasm you used against ROTH. Yep, it would be just like Paul to talk about MARRIAGE (Paul didn’t travel with women) and reference a man who was not married. Cuz, you know, Paul was really into wasting time indulging in hypotheticals. Actually, he was a gossiper, since I can imagine all the conjectures that would have ensued after his letters were read in the churches. (CONT.)
  
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- kryptonite
  Posted on November 10, 2012 at 1:08am
  @BY FAITH
  The fact is Jesus did send someone else to bring the gentiles to the fold. You need to reread Acts and Galatians. Peter never had a heart for the gentiles. By contrast, Paul had an unmatchable zeal – given by God – to evangelize the goy im. He traveled throughout all the pagan world of his day, tirelessly starting churches, while Peter stayed home and got his boxers in a knot because the gentiles around him were not getting cirKumcised.
  
  Where in the word does it say that God’s ministers require a lineage?
  
  => “Non-Catholics believe each person is infallibly lead by the spirit to the truth.”
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  I don’t know of a single born-again Christian who believes that. Not a one, and I’ve been around for a while. I actually asserted the exact opposite: Only God is infallible.
  
  => “Catholics use scripture to support our faith and say the Spirit guides the Church and keeps her from error.”
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  You mean, “…the Spirit guides the Pope, who guides the Church and keeps her from error.”
  
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- kryptonite
  Posted on November 10, 2012 at 1:09am
  @BY FAITH
  There is only one way to get to heaven and it is not determined by you or me or the pope, but by God. If you have called upon Jesus to redeem you and have made him your Lord, you will go to heaven. If not, you can call yourself Catholic or any other of the 40,000 denominations, go to church every Sunday, pray before you go to bed, get baptized, have a requiem mass every year after you die, etc., you will still go straight to hell and stay there for all eternity. Those are the terms of God’s New Covenant, and nobody can change them.
  
  => “This entire exercise comes down to authority.”
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  No. THIS whole discussion boils down to, “When you write Church in uppercase, do you mean your own denomination, or the body of Christ as per 1 Cor. 12:27?” Again, search your heart. :)
  
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- by faith
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:53am
  I understand your need to be right overrules your ability to see the truth or even where I agree with you. I will point out once again your problem is not with me; your problem is centuries of faithful Christian teaching that predates your argument. You contend the Catholic Church is a broken, flawed and possibly heretical church yet still not one word of attempt to prove your point on the true church. You attempt to prove my Church is not the one Jesus spoke of, ok , let’s say I accept your premise. Where is this true church?
  And you are wrong about the origins of the “Roman Catholic Church”
  It is not possible to give an exact year when the Catholic Church began to be called the “Roman Catholic Church,” but it is possible to approximate it. The term originates as an insult created by Anglicans who wished to refer to themselves as Catholic. They thus coined the term “Roman Catholic” to distinguish those in union with Rome from themselves and to create a sense in which they could refer to themselves as Catholics (by attempting to deprive actual Catholics to the right to the term).
  Even today many Protestants who have no idea what the origin of the term is cannot bring themselves to say “Catholic” without qualifying it or replacing it with an insult.
  
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- by faith
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 4:18pm
  Sarcasm in the face of poor logic sometimes proves just how silly an argument is. But again my point you cannot prove Peter was married at the time he was with Jesus. You are following the teachings of man if you believe Peter had a wife while he was with Jesus. Twist my words again and prove to me again how Peter had a mother-in-law or that Paul says Peter has the right to travel with a wife(after the resurrection).
  Peter chose to focus his teaching on Jews. That does not mean Jesus only wanted him to preach to Jews. Again you are following the teachings of man. Jesus wanted Peter to preach to ALL.
  You are trying to read into my words things that are not there.
  When I write Church in uppercase, I mean the Church Jesus said He wanted to build.
  One can not be Catholic and not believe God the Father has established only one way to heaven and that is through Jesus the Christ.
  Search for the four marks of the Church. One, holy, catholic and apostolic. The belief that the Church is characterized by these four particular “marks” was first expressed by the First Council of Constantinople in the year 381 in its revision of the Nicene Creed. Centuries of Christian truth predate all of your falsehoods. Come to the “fullness” of faith or stay in your make believe word of an invisible Church. I care not, just stop providing misinformation about my Church
  
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- by faith
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 6:01pm
  I would really like for you to tell me which of the 21 councils supports you claims.
  
  You do know which one or did you just spout off something you heard someone else tell you with no proof. Follow the teachings of man much?
  
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aquablue
Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:34am
Around here, the majority of Catholics are Hispanic.

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- Voter713
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:45am
  that tis true – any mention on legalization and their beliefs go out the door
  
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- DZ-015
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 10:34am
  Aqua: What you said is the reason behind the statistic in the article. Good eye!
  
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- by faith
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 10:50am
  70+% Hispanic vote for Obama
  90+% African American voted for Obama
  60+% Woman voted for Obama
  
  That is the true news, not some slanted story by Billy Hallowell
  Give it a few days, gaurantee he will write another story about the church.
  
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- vennoye
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 11:27am
  Faith, make that 60% of single women voted for Obama. Married women did not.
  
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- by faith
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 12:08pm
  correct I should have said single women
  
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- iampraying4u
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 4:29pm
  And most of the hispanics are demorats
  
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brtmchl30
Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:31am
This doesnt matter. Catholics. youn women, gays, hispanics, blacks or college students. The fact of the matter is 10 million less voters for Obama this time around. And Romney couldn’t even match Mcain? At a time when everyone was bashing Bush. Reports of record turnout everywhere. Where are the votes? People didn’t stand in long lines just to get to know their neighbors. Something is wrong. You can’t tell me that overall voter turnout was this low.

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- barber2
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:42am
  I find these results more than perplexing, but like the school records, Fast and Furious, and Benghazi , I know that nothing will ever be uncovered since the Chicago Obama crowd is in control.
  
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- braddock66
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:45am
  Absolutely agree! There is no way Romney did worse than McCain. Obama had a lesser turnout than ’08 why did I wait in line for the first time ever here in NC!!! This doesn’t seem right! AS a Catholic I am embarrassed that Obama got any votes from Catholics. He declares war on them and only half believe it! There is no doubt this last great hope for freedom is changing.The moral and ethical decay of our society has tipped the scale now going the other way.
  
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- Pantloadian
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:49am
  BABAR . . .Nothing perplexing about it . . . Catholics were smart enough to see right through the organized whine efforts of religious freedom hucksters. You’re stuck selling snake oil, and nobody’s buying, especially not the 90% of Catholic women of child-bearing age who use contraceptives.
  
  There’s only one problem with conservatism – 51% of Americans are smart enough to reject it.
  
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- barber2
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 10:11am
  LOAD: The idea that the government should pay for one’s contraception is the snake oil. Know why ? Because we can not afford to provide everyone with everything they want. You are the snake oil salesmen who are selling people a trip to the country’s bankruptcy . Just like the Affordable ( wink, wink) Housing Act and the now brewing Affordable ( bigger wink ) HealthCare Act. You Democrats are clever with words but notoriously bad at math. Check out Dear Leader’s deficit .
  
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- Chet Hempstead
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 4:56pm
  I’m not surprised turnout is lower. Last time there were people who actually liked one of the candidates. This time we just had to vote for the one we didn’t hate. Liking more is always a better motivation than hating less.
  
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stogieguy7
Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:31am
One word: LATINOS.

Latinos broke 71% for Obama. And, they represent a sizable chunk of the Catholic population now. Basically for them (Mexicans in particular), the lure of “free stuff” outshined anything that they hear in la iglesia.

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- The Giver
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 10:06am
  Interesting that you make that correlation. Historically, Black liberation theology was used on Catholics in South America.
  However, the problem extends beyond the Latinos. My very Irish Catholic friend loves Obama as much as she loves unions. Union support had a lot to do with her vote and the perception that conservatives are for “vulture”capitalists. The media has failed Americans big time in not reporting the facts.
  
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- Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 10:36am
  May they all get all the government they deserve.
  
  Look there is no convincing of these people. It isn’t going to happen. The only path to finding a home for liberty is to allow the destruction of what exists. This frankenstien creation is unrecognizable to the constitution now. Why would we try to preserve it? Why would we try to alter it? It is corrupt, tainted, rotten. The only choice is to start anew. The best way for that to happen is through the collapse of the country, the subsequent reaction by the oligarchs, and a battle for independence. The issues left is when and where.
  
  Or you all can continue as serfs and labor for the benefit of others. In your life of slavery you can continue to convince yourself that you have the power to pick your master and that you could throw off the chains whenever you like.
  
  “Until they become conscious, they will never rebel and until after they have rebelled, they cannot become conscious.” – George Orwell
  
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piplovestheUSA
Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:27am
Wow! Tick-tock tick-tock tick-tock. I wanted to post that in all caps but the Blaze would not let me.

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Bill813
Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:27am
Glenn needs to understand that American Catholic church has a growing number of hispanics who are more concerned with immigration issues over church issues.

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- oldguy49
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:33am
  bill813 they better be more concerned over muslim issues……its comming
  
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- SquidVetOhio
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:36am
  I’m sure God will understand that come judgement day.
  
  “Blessed is he who sneaks into his neighbors yard”
  
  - II Opinions 5:7
  
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- U.N.hater
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:37am
  Yeah illegal mexicans! Everyone i know said they would not vote for Romney. The GOP can f-off. G.Washington was right about the 2 party system. I’m done with this crapp. Either we start a new constitution party or civil war. I prefer CIVIL WAR! I want a free america again or i don’t want a america!
  
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- usedCZARsalesman
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:38am
  Glenn “needs to understand” nothing of the sort. The fact is that no matter how far this nation pulls back from the Lord, we should NEVER try to meet the ungodly “halfway”…even putting one foot into the lake of fire still gets you burned.
  
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- Pantloadian
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:50am
  USEDCARSELLER . . . America rejected the ungodly on Tuesday night.
  
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- encinom
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 11:04am
  oldguy49
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:33am
  
  bill813 they better be more concerned over muslim issues……its comming
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  Another fear filled old white guy, the only demographic that supported Romney.
  
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- usedCZARsalesman
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 8:12pm
  Pantloadian…care to explain? You know what, never mind, you are obviously too libtarded to put together a coherent thought is you think voting in the most vile, hate filled, anti Christian, anti American, gay loving, abortion supporting, Marxist pos in the history of this election is “rejecting the ungodly”…
  
  You liberals are simply too sick for words
  
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RIGS
Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:27am
I’am catholic the church has no beef with the marxist they wanted him now live with it.

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- Popp40
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:36am
  @ RIGS…how can a Catholic say they serve God yet support a marxist…because the marxist believes he/she (aka the government) is God……sorry but that means Catholics broke the Commandment of “Thou shalt not put any other God before me”……and when they voted for Obama (aka the marxist)…that is exactly what they did.
  
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- Exrepublisheep
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 10:07am
  POPP40. Just because Fox and such call Obama a marxist doesn’t actually make him one.
  
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- Popp40
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 10:19am
  @Exrepublisheep, you are right, just because someone calls someone else a marxist doesn’t make it so…however, Obama’s actions sure do!
  
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soybomb315_II
Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:26am
They would have easily went for Santorum.

Even among RINOs, Romney was not the best candidate

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- stogieguy7
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:33am
  Sorry, but no. Santorum would have been creamed by Obama, giving the evil one a huge mandate. No, Latinos would never vote for Santorum and they are the big reason why Catholics lagged.
  
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- karenm
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:34am
  The Catholics didn’t like Santorum. Most Catholics aren’t practicing Catholics.
  
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- SquidVetOhio
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:44am
  I disagree. Hispanics by all accounts should be Republicans. The Cuban-American population use to be overwhelmingly Republican. Socially conservative and stood against communism. Santorum had the courage to talk about those things. Romney did not.
  
  Obama is for killing babies who survive abortions. He said so in his own words. So don’t give me this crap about social issues hurting the GOP. More people self identify as pro-life than pro-choice. Gay marriage is still overwhelmingly unpopular. These issues with some detailed immigration policy like Newt had would attract Hispanics (and blacks). Reagan talked about them.
  
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- usedCZARsalesman
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:58am
  SOY, you are completely misreading these numbers. This occured because this entire nation could not give a flying crap about the Lord any longer. They pray to the god of government or the god of self (conservative athiests are just as big of a problem in my book as religious liberals)…like the Israelites in the OT, it is about to be Americas time to “wander in the desert”
  
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- PIGSWILLNEVERFLY
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 10:20am
  Agree, Santorum is a FIGHTER and would have made the moral argument in plain language, redeemed and redefined the “good” part of the catholic church. He would have attracked the catholic hispanics and the immoral whites that have drank the kool-aid. He would have FOUGHT on EVERY issue, including Benghazi. I wanted Santorum; Romney would have been good VP choice. RNC elite Progressives are as bad as the ungodly DNC.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 1:21pm
  I don’t agree SOY…
  
  As a Catholic that grew up in the Northeast, i can attest to this:
  
  Public Schools and Pop culture in this area indoctrinate everyone (not just Catholics) at an early age to believe that Republicans are old, white, racists. This is ingrained unless you ever decide to seek out knowledge on your own. Many do not… Northeast Catholic families are also heavily tied to Unions for employment… My extended family (78 1st cousins BTW) regularly bashed Santorum to me because they saw him as an Evangelical who calls himself Catholic. Evangelicals are treated harshly in the Northeast by Catholics and Jews, alike.
  
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rockymtngal
Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:26am
Sitting in church every Sunday doesn’t make you religious. It’s your personal relationship with Christ that matters. Our nation is facing a crisis in faith and it’s facing a crisis economically. Divisivness won and that’s what makes me feel very disappointed. Obama has managed to pit rich from poor. White folks against any other race. Instead of uniting our nation he ripped it apart. Will things change? I doubt it. The constitution will still be ignored. He will con’t to spend more money than what comes in, and in the end, we all lose; regardless of race, the haves and have nots; employed and unemployed. I pray that I am wrong,

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- nueces
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:48am
  You are not wrong. We Christians are however. We have abandoned the Great Commission. THAT was our commandment. Not politics. If we had followed our Savior as he commanded we would not be in this mess.
  
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karenm
Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:26am
As a former Catholic, I can see this happening. The Catholic Church promotes social justice. How can a person who believes in God vote for someone who approves of abortion and gay marriage. This has nothing to do with the election. It has everything to do with people and their values and belief in a God or not. I left the Church because of several reasons. They do not hold their priests accountable for their actions. This country deserves what it gets now just like the Catholic church does.

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- Cavallo
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:35am
  According to their own dogma, their souls are forfeit. Although I guess they could confess and do some hail mary’s or some such stuff.
  
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- vennoye
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 11:42am
  May work with the Priests……..wonder if it works with GOD?
  
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- Yakima
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 11:51am
  If you call yourself a Catholic and still support entrisic evil which is abortion and sodomite “marriage”, you can no longer even refer to yourself as Catholic. Read the Cathecism of the Catholic Church, it’s right there. But with that said, the liberal Obama loving media will always lump these so-called “Catholics” into their stats when telling us all that Obama won the Catholic vote. So like I said vote pro-abortion candidates and you are no longer Catholic. God will not be mocked.
  
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Katydidnt
Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:26am
There is a difference between the people who built their house on the rock and those that built their house on the sand. They both heard the word of God, only the people who built their house of the rock acted on it.
When the people were given a choice between declaring Jesus their King or Caeser, they cried “We have no king but Ceaser” and by Caeser that generation was destroyed. I have never heard so many Protestant, Jewish and Catholic preachers telling people the importance of this election, and they chose Barack. By Barack, they will be destroyed. The Catholic Church is facing fines of $100/a day per employee for not complying with the mandate. These people will be shocked when their schools, charities and finally churches are shut down. Their own votes did it.

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- Katydidnt
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:40am
  I want to add that the same coercive tactics are coming to your healthcare. The way Obamacare is set up doctor’s offices reimbursement rates depend upon how well their patients comply with certain directives. Are they getting their scheduled mammograms or other tests? Doctors offices are going to start dropping non-compliant patients in order to survive. Right now it is diagnostic tests, but it very well may expand to Body Mass Indexes and smoking and such.
  You want dig coal, you can it will just bankrupt you. You want to practice your faith, you can it will just bankrupt you. You want to smoke or overeat, you can you will just not be able to access healthcare.
  
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- Cavallo
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:53am
  Welcome to the Soviet States of America. Make your exit plans while they still let you.
  
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- Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 10:45am
  @Cavallo,
  
  Where you going to go? This was Bastogne, Thermopylae, the Alamo. Now that it’s gone, there is nowhere to run. I’m going to stay. I will fight. I will die free, even if that freedom is simply to resist.
  
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- Cavallo
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 5:32pm
  Singapore and New Zealand seem nice. Singapore has some draconian social laws, though making money there is a top priority and the efficiency of their government is mind boggling. I don’t see much resistance yet, but I will do what is best for my family, and if freedom and wealth are better prospects over seas, that is where I will go. America is not just this dirt you stand on ( at least to me). It is a concept or ideal. That concept has been murdered in this country, or at least is on the barest of life support.
  
  USA RIP 1776-2012
  
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rfycom
Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:26am
no magic underwear

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- Walkabout
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:42am
  I think magic underwear is silly & made up.
  
  I also see it as useful. I see it making a person think hard about & maybe preventing infidelity.
  
  Any longterm percentage decrease in infidelity would show its’ usefulness. If decade after decade 67% of guys cheat in a life time but only 66% of Mormons, then I would call that success.
  
  Sometimes humanity wins be degrees & not orders of magnitude.
  
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- BellaMia7
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 10:23am
  It’s a version of the catholic scapular which has existed for 2000 years. Election shows that bigots prevailed and elected the most bigoted president in history.
  
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NHwinter
Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:25am
We are responsible before God for our vote. We deserve the chastisement that is coming. God give us strength to endure what is coming. Those who gloat at Obama’s victory will weep with regret and sorrow at all that has been taken from us for blatant sin and our turning away from God to selfishness, crudeness, and lies. God have mercy on us. God wins in the end, but we have much to suffer.

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- vennoye
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 11:46am
  Bible says if you cease to be salt or light, what good are you as a Christian. Guess that is what everyone should think about.
  
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momrules
Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:24am
Well, these people voted for their king. I voted for my King … Jesus Christ.

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nueces
Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:22am
Roman Catholics: Zombies. Members of a dead religion who think they are still alive.

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- tradcatholicgirl
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:37am
  As a traditional Catholic who loves her religion, I must reply to that remark. I practice a faith which has been decimated by a liberal theology in the past 50 years. This loss mirrors what is happening to our wider culture because of progressive indoctrination of the past 75 years or so.
  
  However, the beauty and truth which is part of my faith still is practiced and loved around the world by millions of those Catholics who have not lost sight of true Christian values.
  
  I think lumping 1 billion Catholics into one “dead” religion is a little over the top.
  
  One thing I have noticed about the solid Catholic people who post on this site. They are rarely harsh or nasty about other Christian denominations.
  
  Why so much hate?
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:37am
  Look at the attendance break down.
  
  Catholics who attend weekly were more likely to vote for Romney than Obama. The answer is not to put down Roman Catholics.
  
  There is only one Catholic church and Baptists, Roman Catholics, Episcopalians, Lutheran, Presbyterians, etc are all part of it. The Church one day will be healed & all schisms gone.
  
  The problem was that some people are Roman Catholic in name only. Or they go to a church with a liberal pastor. Or they are a union member or more influence by La Raza than the Holy See.
  
  The remedy is more religion. I am not just talking about attendance & singing, but actual study. Otherwise someone, who would make a good jailhouse lawyer & file frivolous lawsuits, will easily lead people with pat cherry picked arguments down the wrong path using biblical verse.
  
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- nueces
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:44am
  If your religion was not dead your church would have excommunicated nearly every DemonRat member of the congress long ago and continued such practice up to now. But your dead church is more interested in power and money from a deluded congregation so has compromised itself right into the grave.
  
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- barber2
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:57am
  NUECES: Agree with GIRL: one of the worst aspects of this entire campaign was reading the invective and hatred of fellow Americans toward their fellow Americans who believe in God and who go to church. The nastiness of the Left wing atheists was appalling. To see so much ugly, immoral hate coming from Democrats made me lose all respect for the party.
  
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- P8riot
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 10:26am
  As a “Mormon” who sees my religion bashed regularly on this site by certain people, I must stand by the side of the Catholics when their religion is being bashed. Instead of telling people what OTHERS believe and why you think they’re wrong — why don’t you just tell people what YOU believe and why you’re right. Trust me, it goes a lot better! Gotta love freedom of religion :)
  
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- neverending
  Posted on November 9, 2012 at 10:33am
  @P8RIOT – I am with you on that one and it is really sickening to see. They would be much better served if they stopped the garbage and recognize you can’t find a more decent, honorable and trustworthy people then most of the Mormons. Governor Romney and his entire family are a true testament to that.
  
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colascguy
Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:22am
They should have talked to Eric Metaxas and done a little research on Bonhoeffer.

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- Lloyd Drako
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:49am
  Invoking Bonhoeffer in a dispute over condoms and birth-control pills? Seriously?
  
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TAXEVERYONE
Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:20am
They are CINOs, Catholics in name only.

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- copatriots
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:30am
  Most are more loyal to their favorite sports team. Their Catholicism (as with liberal, Democrat Jews) certainly is not a significant, meaningful part of who they are.
  
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Gonzo
Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:20am
When your institutions close instead of submit, don’t act shocked. You chose your liberalism over your church and there are consequences to that decision.

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- Pantloadian
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:52am
  The only consequence to that is more freedom.
  
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- Gonzo
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 10:49am
  Yes genius, it will mean freedom FROM medical care for a lot of people.
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 12:19pm
  Pantloadian (Member Since: October 27, 2012), a liberal troll who is full of it.
  
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:20am
One thing that Limbaugh says that I agree with, without reservations, is that Leftists are Leftists first, everything else comes after their ideology. I disagree with Limbaugh on other points, but on that one, he’s exactly correct.

Don’t come whinging to me, liberal Catholics, when you’re crushed. TradCaths, still love you folks, but you really need to reign in the liberal Catholics in your flock, or weed them out and let them practice their schismatci heretical creed in another “church”.

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- Pantloadian
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:54am
  No one is going to come whining to you about anything. God lives. Religion is dead. Better get right with that, because there’ll be no safety in your Christian theme parks.
  
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- Lloyd Drako
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 10:00am
  Limbaugh et al are just as devoted to ideology. They just call it “our principles,” as if that made it any more objective.
  
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- arx
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 12:05pm
  Obama voters are not “in the flock”. People say they are catholic but never go to Mass, or at least go only once on Easter. True catholics would never vote for that baby killing commie *****.
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 12:28pm
  Pantloadian
  
  I wonder how long this post name last before you dump it.
  
  If The Blaze goes the way of FOXNEWS they might get rid of posting. Many of us will have gained be reading others posts. What will you have gained? Some needling? Some ; giggles?
  
  Or they could use Websense & see thru all your various guise/post names. You remind of the Annatar, Lord of Gifts, in the book Silmarillion. Annatar like you had many guises, some of them fair. But we also know Annatar as Sauron, one evil twisted dude, like YOU. :).
  
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Popp40
Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:19am
Just because they “claim” to be Catholic or Christian does not mean they truly worship God or live by the standards set out by the Bible. Bottom line is that they sold their soul and come judgement day when they stand in front of God and he says “I’m sorry, but I don’t know you”….just imagine the look on their faces.

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- CodexMan
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 11:51am
  I agree 100% with you. They are sad cases of non-practicing Christians. They need to repent and get back home again.
  
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- arx
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 12:07pm
  exactly…and quit giving true catholics a bad name.
  
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- TiredAmerican7
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:59pm
  That goes for all religions. Everyone who says they are affiliated with a particular church do not follow the beliefs specific to that religion. This is what turns some folks off from churches. Catholics, Baptists, Seventh Day Adventist, Mormons, COGIC, etc. People forget that churches are made up of sinners. Churches are supposed to be hospitals. However, everyone identifying with a church doesn’t necessarily practice the way the should.
  I am surprised at the religious in general. I really expected more than just Catholics to stand. When the government is done with Catholics, they will just move on to another group. All religions must know that. Many did not stand up for what they profess. Yet, God will judge.
  
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- TiredAmerican7
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 10:02pm
  By the way, many blacks are not for gay anything. Where were the black churches, magazines, and community on this? Does skin color cancel out every other belief?
  
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- TiredAmerican7
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 10:32pm
  The more I think about this, I also have to wonder about the Jehovah Witness and Muslims. These folks must also own businesses. Just where do they sit with Obamacare? I am not Catholic and I know the article is referring to Catholics, but I do believe that this issue stretches across many other religions. Has church become more of a social event? Does anyone listen in the synagogues? Are the mosques just for show? Do values even matter to the congregation? What is happening to us? We are leaving God. We must return to our knees.
  
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BlackCrow
Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:18am
This is no longer one country. A divorce is coming the question is will it be the amicable breakup like the Czechoslovakians or another French Revolution.

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- Duckhead
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:43am
  This will be no amicable split. The takers won’t let the makers leave alive. Nobody in America knows about the French Revolution, we will get to live it.
  
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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:14am
Those who voted for Obama have signed on with the devil.

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- biohazard23
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:23am
  Yes, they did.
  
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- momrules
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:26am
  I agree Snow.
  
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- Damocles
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 9:59am
  You are right Snowleopard. Catholics who sided with Obama seem to have no problem with forcing their own institutions to provide unfettered abortions, sterilization and contraceptives. Down the road when those institutions close their doors voluntarily, those same Catholics will be asking themselves why? In church this weekend, the priest read a pretty stern letter from our Bishop about this mess. About 1/3 of the congregation clapped. The rest just looked uncomfortable. But even without all that, you can’t have 55 millions abortions since Roe v Wade and say “God Bless America”.
  
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- Gonzo
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 11:01am
  My guess is they signed on with the devil long before this election.
  
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