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Did David Axelrod Just Undercut Biden’s Claim of a ‘Mandate’ to Raise Taxes?

Nov. 8, 2012 12:48pm Madeleine Morgenstern

Senior Obama campaign adviser David Axelrod on Thursday called it “foolish” and “generally untrue” when presidents claim to have a “mandate” after they’re elected — just one day after Vice President Joe Biden said Obama had earned a “clear sort of mandate” on taxes.

“On this issue of particularly the fiscal cliff, presidents always say ‘I have a mandate, I have a mandate.’ That’s a foolish word and it’s generally untrue,” Axelrod said on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” referring to the looming year-end deadline that will trigger higher taxes and abrupt spending cuts unless the president and Congress can come to an agreement.

Still, Axelrod said Obama “did campaign all over this country” about “the need for balanced deficit reduction,” including some new tax revenue.

“He was re-elected by, you know, in a significant way so I think that hopefully people will read those results and read them as a vote for cooperation,” Axelrod said. “If the attitude is that nothing happened on Tuesday, that would be unfortunate.”

Biden told reporters on Wednesday that with regard to taxes, the will of the voters was clear.

“On the issue of the tax issue, there was a clear, a clear sort of mandate about people coming much closer to our view about how to deal with tax policy,” Biden said.

He also said he hoped there would be “some real soul-searching” from Republicans about what they’re willing to cooperate on.

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matt708
Posted on November 8, 2012 at 1:51pm
axel better tell Harry Reid because he is saying the same thing Biden said, all moronic idiots

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- doomytram
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 1:57pm
  The Chain of command in Obozo’s Washington DC goes like this…. Soros, Axelrod, Obozo and then in 200th position is BiteMe ( The military’s most hated guy)
  
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- Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 2:04pm
  You forgot Valerie Jarrett
  
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- E.Souchak
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 2:13pm
  For those who do not know, Axelrod used to be an Editor for the Chicago Tribune
  
  Rod Blagojevich made a deal
  
  http://illinoispaytoplay.com/2012/11/08/1161/
  
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- turkey13
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 2:19pm
  Biden was one of the best excuses not to vote for Obama. Don’t worry though, the person Obama doesn’t do anything until consulting with will be appointed if Biden goes senile. That is Valerie Jarret who just got back from secret talks with in her home country – Iran.
  
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- coachjbp
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 2:58pm
  Agree, I have banished any Obama moron ally from my vision. I did the same with stupid Jimmmmy Caaaataaar when he was commander in #@*&. I will not look or listen to this idiots ever again. I can not stand the sight of any of these blundering, lying, misfits. The So-Called American people ignorantly chose a puffed up wanna be rock star. So let the show begin…..I just ain’t watching it!!!
  
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- doomytram
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 4:17pm
  The Fraud that is Obozo and Valerie Jarrett intertwined is proof of the globalist takeover. Obozo was and is a bigger failure that Carter. He is different because he is a brown man. The Obozo re-election was about stealing 5 to 10 million votes from Voters and Obozo ran on being cool and not another Carter. Obozo just wanted to win, so his legacy would be about a non failure historic first black president.
  
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Rickfromillinois
Posted on November 8, 2012 at 1:49pm
I think that this is a clear indication of just why we must all hope and pray that NOTHING happens to Obama while in office. Biden is an moron. Maybe now the mainstream media will still start reporting Biden’s weekly statement of idiocy. I can’t believe that this loud mouthed goofball is the VP. I have heard more wisdom from drunken bar flies, which he strongly reminds me of.

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Excomunicatedmarine
Posted on November 8, 2012 at 1:47pm
A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been 200 years.

Alexis de Tocqueville

ever wonder why the founding fathers didn’t have income taxes ?

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- normalmom
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 2:05pm
  That is because it was founded as a republic and we have allowed it to be twisted into a democracy for quite some time now.
  
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The-Monk
Posted on November 8, 2012 at 1:38pm
When liars lie…. it’s hard for them to get their stories straight.

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- AvengerK
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 1:45pm
  the bile rises in my throat when I hear Axelrod speak. He’s a detestable man and to see his con job on the American people rewarded this way grates on me.
  
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- 2MINUTESTOMIDNIGHT
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 1:51pm
  When their followers don’t care, it doesn’t matter.
  
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grimjack3791
Posted on November 8, 2012 at 1:37pm
Everything Axelrod says is a lie. Everything.

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goahead.makemyday
Posted on November 8, 2012 at 1:34pm
Does any one speak Rabbid? Hello? Anyone from the Rayman Universe? Guess not so we just have to hit them over the head and be done with it.

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elosogrande
Posted on November 8, 2012 at 1:31pm
Why wouldn’t Axelrod undercut Biden? After all, Axelrod is smart – Biden is stupid.

The fact that Biden is next in line for The Presidency is a terrible situation for America.

God, please protect Barack Obama.

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- normalmom
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 2:01pm
  Maybe that is why he picked Biden. People criticized Dan Quail for misspelling a word. Now we have this guy as VP, scary.
  
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on November 8, 2012 at 1:31pm
The political soap opera no longer matters. It’s a distraction. Who cares, essentially, who undercuts who, what knife stabs in what back? They can do what they wish, when they wish, how they wish. The continuation of the soap opera is for the slack jawed types that think it still matters. The mob is now in charge. Boehner has already signaled that he’s quite happy to bend us over as “our leader”. This is all a game for entertainment.

To reference a famous phrase: “We are not amused”.

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goahead.makemyday
Posted on November 8, 2012 at 1:27pm
““He was re-elected by, you know, in a significant way so I think that hopefully people will read those results and read them as a vote for cooperation,” Axelrod said. “If the attitude is that nothing happened on Tuesday, that would be unfortunate.”” In a significant way? you mean less than one percent in some states and here in FL we still don’t know?

“Biden told reporters on Wednesday that with regard to taxes, the will of the voters was clear.” Clear? Oh you mean the guidelines given Obama, because I wouldn’t be harping too much yet

“On the issue of the tax issue, there was a clear, a clear sort of mandate about people coming much closer to our view about how to deal with tax policy,” Biden said.” More people believed your lies? How come then that FL and now OH are still counting?

“He also said he hoped there would be “some real soul-searching” from Republicans about what they’re willing to cooperate on.” We won nananana obey us or when we take complete control you and yours will DIE MMWAHAHA!

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2SENSEWORTH
Posted on November 8, 2012 at 1:26pm
Santa Claus eventually runs out of gifts.

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- Cavallo
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 1:49pm
  With us slave elves making more toys, it’ll take a lot longer. Keep pretending those chains aren’t around your ankle.
  
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AbrahamsSheepdog
Posted on November 8, 2012 at 1:21pm
Wolves are hungry. They don’t wait. Next kill, please. Lull the sheep, slaughtered lambs, gates are open. Who’s first wolf? Guess…its…who…cares its a Wolf. Wait. We cried that Riding hood. It’s not a fairy tale anymore.

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- mercenary4freedom
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 1:41pm
  It has begun! Within 48 hours of Ocommie reelection the following companies anounce layoffs.
  
  http://www.freedomworks.org/blog/grusbf5/good-morning-america-heres-those-layoffs-you-voted
  
  - Westinghouse
  - Research in Motion Ltd.
  - Lightyear Network Solutions
  …- Providence Journal
  - Hawker Beechcraft
  - Boeing
  - CVPH Medical Center
  - US Cellular
  - Commerzbank
  - Iberia
  - Momentive Performance Materials
  - Brake Parts
  - Gameforge Berlin
  - Vestas Wind Systems
  - Husqvarna
  - ING
  - Ericsson
  - SRA International
  - PerkinElmer
  - Majestic Star Casino and Hotel
  - Center for Hospice NY
  - Bristol-Myers
  - Lower Bucks Hospital
  - Oce North America
  - Corning
  - United Blood Services Gulf
  - Atlantic Lottery Corporation
  - Welch Allyn
  - Dana Holding
  - Stryker
  - Boston Scientific
  - Medtronic
  - Smith & Nephew
  - Abbott Labs
  - Covidien
  - Kinetic Concepts
  - St. Jude
  - Hill Rom
  - Darden Restaurants
  - JANCOA
  - Kroger
  - Caterpillar
  - Alcatel-Lucent
  - Umatilla Chemical
  - Rocketdyne
  
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- AvengerK
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 3:17pm
  Elections and votes have consequences.
  
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- Sidhekitten
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 5:12pm
  Anyone want to bet that the White House is throwing a party over the layoffs. Maybe Bruce can come in and sing about his hometown or better yet, announce his new Layoff Tour. That’s payback baby, I bet Jarret is so so proud, sniff sniff.
  
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Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on November 8, 2012 at 1:18pm
It’s all pure folly. The math simply doesn’t work.

The government took in 2.2 TR in 2011.

The government spent 3.8 TR in 2012.

Of the 3.8, it went to 3 buckets. Defense, Discretionary and Entitlement (mandatory)

If we took Defense to 0 and Discretionary to 0…essentially fire the military and every government worker not hired to give out transfer payments…we’d still run about a 200 Billion dollar deficit.

Now, if you cut nothing and wanted to get there by raising taxes, that is folly too. Over time we’ve never managed to collect more than 20% of GDP in income tax. Total collections run from 17 to 20 percent of GDP even when we had 90% marginal tax rates after WWII. So to think you can increase revenue is just fantasy. But, for sake of argument let’s say we could. In order to balance the budget, people making 100K to 200K would have to pay an EFFECTIVE federal (no state, local, or usage included yet) rate of 40%. For people making over 200K they would have to have an effective rate of 70%. This assumes that they all keep doing exactly what they are doing. Meaning that they would actually get paid what they are paid but would end up BELOW median national income.

FORWARD!!!!

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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 1:33pm
  Quite good, well done.
  
  Unfortunately, “Math is Hard!” ™ for most, let alone using math with more than one variable at each side of the operator.
  
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AbrahamsSheepdog
Posted on November 8, 2012 at 1:13pm
That’s right joe bout the Soul. I speak to yours. You are infected with pure Evil. You still have time. You will nash those ivory gates of hope. Sell or buy Joe. Angels are are watching too.

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Micmac
Posted on November 8, 2012 at 1:12pm
He also said he hoped there would be “some real soul-searching” from Republicans about what they’re willing to cooperate on.
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One way street again.

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- 13th Imam
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 1:24pm
  I hope they fail.
  
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MDECKER
Posted on November 8, 2012 at 1:10pm
What in the world does David Axelrod know about, “soul searching”? He has no soul!

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The Giver
Posted on November 8, 2012 at 1:07pm
Who is John Galt?

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- Thornyrose13
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 1:12pm
  I am John Galt. You are John Galt. All who drive the engine of the world are John Galt. And yes, it is getting close to the time for us to quit driving.
  
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- Red Meat
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 1:13pm
  Precisely.
  
  Who cares what Biden/Axelrod says? The American publics attention span is in the area of milliseconds.
  
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- Popp40
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 1:19pm
  @Red Meat…..for a lot of the American people all you have to do is wave something shiny in front of their face or if they are Obama supporters just offer them free stuff. Yea Obamaphones!!!!!!
  
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- cause_glen_said_so
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 1:23pm
  John Galt is a fictional character created by a woman addicted to amphetamines
  
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- bhelmet
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 1:28pm
  You may find out soon enough.
  
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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 1:41pm
  @Cause
  
  And Karl Marx was a freeloader who didn’t do a day’s honest work in his life, lived at the expense of others, held them in contempt, and who died in England in full creature comfort that he earned not a shilling to help offset the cost of.
  
  Since you want to play, let’s play.
  
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- cause_glen_said_so
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 1:52pm
  hey ghost, whos playing? Just some facts about Galt. You guys climb into nirvana, we will be quite fine here
  
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- Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 2:04pm
  @Cause,
  
  I would think we could both find Nirvana. You go your way we go ours. You can have the coasts and the northern states so you can connect your two states. We take the middle and the south. You can have nirvana because we won’t be around to complain about any longer. How awesome would that be? Secession is a win win.
  
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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 2:41pm
  @Galt
  
  You missed my point.
  
  You’re engaging in a form of Argumentum Tu Quoque. In other words, you’re committing a gross logical fallacy. In essence, you’re stating “Person A said Fact 1, but Person A lives contrary to Fact 1, ergo, Fact 1 is wrong”. Or, better if you’re more “earthy” in your intellect, a rapist can note that somebody else is raping a victim, without invalidating the actual act of rape being committed.
  
  That there, hoss, done be what you did, yo.
  
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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 2:51pm
  Sorry, meant “Cause”, not “Galt”. My mistake.
  
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The Giver
Posted on November 8, 2012 at 1:04pm
2008-Dems had WH, and Senate…. Repubs had House
2012-Dems have WH and Senate….Repubs have House
Some libertarians Galted and didn’t vote.
Obama Mandate? Pray for our leaders.

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- The-Monk
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 1:32pm
  @The Giver
  “2008-Dems had WH, and Senate…. Repubs had House”
  
  Small correction…. The Dems had both the House and the Senate from Jan 2007 until Jan 2011.
  
  Obama had super majorities in both Houses from Jan 2009 until until Jan 2011.
  
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Al J Zira
Posted on November 8, 2012 at 12:58pm
Thank you Ohio, Indiana and Virginia for voting these money hungry SOB’s into office.

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- Ed_Kel
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 1:06pm
  Indiana voted Republican.
  
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- Conservative Atheist
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 1:14pm
  Um Im from indiana…we went red this election
  
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- Popp40
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 1:16pm
  @AL J Zira….I lost all respect for the voters here in VA, at least the ones who voted for Obama and those who didn’t vote at all. I am still trying to figure out why 50% of those in the military in Norfolk voted for Obama and his little “yes” boy Kaine when the defense spending cuts will result in over 200,000 jobs being lost in that area. Well I have a good idea of why they voted that way and lets just say they weren’t judging Obama based on his character but more like the color of his skin.
  
  I also don’t know why so many people in Northern VA voted for him becuase there are a lot of Defense Contractors up there and many will probably lose their jobs….has anyone heard about Boeing cutting their staff?
  
  However, that is what they wanted in VA, it just sucks because VA is turning into a blue state and I am stuck here for a while.
  
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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 2:43pm
  Most of Ohio didn’t. The Three C’s as we call them, did. The cities Cincinatti, Cleveland and Columbus. All bastions of pro-union lunacy (Cincy and Cleveland) and no-experience loony college kids (Columbus). The rest of the state went hard conservative.
  
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Watcher1952
Posted on November 8, 2012 at 12:57pm
Axelrod ….. Barack Hussein Obama is a liar and chief and Davey boy swears to it…..believe 1/2 of what you see them do and nothing of what they say they are or will do…… AMERICA deserves this administration now

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Metallicat
Posted on November 8, 2012 at 12:56pm
why do liberals always act like they are given free reign to rule as they wish when they win? The other half of the country still has a say and your winning doesnt strip them of having a voice in government or fulfilling the wishes of the other half of the nation. when they lose they are always screaming for bi partisanship.

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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 2:51pm
  Because the hordes that support statists are, frankly, short on attention span and easily manipulated, immature, stupid or evil. Take your pick, one of those selections will fit every single Leftist you’ll ever meet until the end of time. That lot will easily snarl and sneer and cackle whenever they think they have the upper hand.
  
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huey6367
Posted on November 8, 2012 at 12:55pm
People are not “coming much closer to [your] view”. Sensible people don’t want their taxes raised.

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Gonzo
Posted on November 8, 2012 at 12:55pm
“hopefully people will read those results and read them as a vote for cooperation,” Voting for Obama is a vote for cooperation? I think the left is now working on a new definition of cooperation. Coooperation: Doing what your told to do by us.

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- AvengerK
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 1:12pm
  GONZO…you’re being far too optimistic. We have an electorate that votes on feelings rather than facts.
  Obama has already indicated that once in a second term and not beholden to the voter he will allow himself more “flexibility”. We are in for a very gutwrenching four years under an Obama who believes he do as he wishes. Worse yet..and make no mistake..he’ll set it up for every like minded liberal following him to have the same “freedoms” he’s enjoying.
  The republic just got it’s notice on November 6, 2012 and if the GOP and it’s supporters can’t strategize to stop this movement in the public psyche, then the choices won’t be “conservative/liberal” anymore..they’ll be “soft liberal/hard liberal” just like Australia, NZ, the UK and Europe.
  I believe Hannity when he says ‘the call will go out and conservatism will answer the call”…but that’s because the electorate wants “stuff”..in this case..a bandaid for their boo boo. Once that’s fixed…it’s back to this nightmare unless we get into a vigorous groundgame and start winning hearts and minds.
  Now..I’m expecting Obama to send us into another recession which will essentially evaporate the democrat brand next election..but that’s temporary. As I said..the Attention Deficit Disorder electorate will forget unless we re-educate them.
  
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- Gonzo
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 1:23pm
  Believe me AK, optimistic is the last thing I am. At this point I think a complete and total collapse of the system is imminent and probably the only chance there is to get a Constitutional Republic back. I told you Sabado’s polling scared me, he seems like straight shooter and unfortunately he was dead on, I think he missed on only two states. I’m afraid the country we knew and loved is gone for our lifetime.
  
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- Gonzo
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 1:26pm
  Oh BTW, I agree fully with the the ‘new conservatism’ becoming just a less soft version of liberalism. May not matter anyway. When we collapse the world economy collapses and chaos rules.
  
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- AvengerK
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 1:43pm
  It doesn’t have to be that way GONZO but unless we can do what the left has done..that is to effect changes in the public psyche then you’re looking at Australiasian/UK/European style politics from here on.
  Now there’s a few glimmers of hope…about 2 million that voted for McCain stayed home for Romney we need to ask why. My guess is evangelicals and Ron Paulites. Also..Obama got less votes this time around we need to ask why also. But it’s always going to favour the democrats until we change the public hearts and minds. That means undercutting the media for a start and launching the same localized groundgame the left has done for decades.
  My cynical side says that the GOP house should do everything Obama requests of them from here on and let the country fall into despair as a result, but I love this country and it’s people too much to ask for that kind of pain and humiliation to be inflicted on them. That’s the difference between conservatives and leftists..leftists seek to inflict pain and government dependence to gin up unrest and votes. Conservatives would rather do the proper thing even if it’s not politically expedient to do so. Of course I’m speaking broadly here.
  
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- Gonzo
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 2:17pm
  I’m not so sure we have any choice in the matter, Obama’s policies are going to force a collapse. I think it’s coming no matter what we do now that Barry is in for four more.
  
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- AvengerK
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 3:25pm
  Absolutely GONZO..we’re looking at a lost decade with Obama now. Futhermore, he’s too rigid, narcissistic and stupid to do what Clinton did..he also doesn’t enjoy a GOP congress to get anything accomplished. Harry Reid has already thrown down the gauntlet..it’s back to his usual shennanigans. The media will blame the GOP house for the fallout that’s to come.
  We saw an electorate that said “he hasnt’ done that great a job but he’s trying and he knows my plight” and voted the incompetent boob back in and he genuinely believes he’s got a mandate to turn us into a western European style socialist state. The first domino to fall in his second term will be the DREAM act. All that’s stopping it right now is the GOP house and if the midterms change that situation into a Democrat congress again..the nation is facing disaster. If in two years the economy is further in the toilet you may see the GOP take back the Senate. Small mercies.
  
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- Gonzo
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 5:12pm
  “The media will blame the GOP house for the fallout that’s to come.” Exactly why I say give him whatever he wants. Republicans just vote “present” as Comrade Obama did for so long. In retrospect (and with hindsight) it may have been better for the country if Obama had held both sides of Congress in 2010. He would have had no one to blame for his failures. We didn’t stop Obamacare anyway.
  
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jacobstroubles
Posted on November 8, 2012 at 12:54pm
Oh….ROFL…I would not worry too much about that…GOD is going to allow for a big reveal on bho & the pack of minions..likley starting wtih bengazi..and probably more. biden “the one with the white ****”…he’ll flee.

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- AbrahamsSheepdog
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 1:28pm
  Joe has something. Not sure what. Pray for Joe too.
  
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toiletclogga
Posted on November 8, 2012 at 12:53pm
Goal 1–Convince 99% of people that 1% do not pay enough taxes.–DONE!
Goal 2–Convince 72% of people that 28% do not pay enough taxes.–Coming!
Goal 3–Convince 51% of people that 49% do not pay enough taxes.–Civil War!

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- 2MINUTESTOMIDNIGHT
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 1:08pm
  I’m already convinced that 49% do not pay enough taxes, and I’m not talking about the wealthy.
  
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Psychosis
Posted on November 8, 2012 at 12:53pm
INCREASING TAX RATES AND INCREASING TAX REVENUES ARE NOT THE SAME THING

increasing tax rates will not necessarily increase REVENUES ……….and almost always result in DECREASED revenues

but it sure sounds nice if you base your decisions on FEELINGS and ENVY

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- 2MINUTESTOMIDNIGHT
  Posted on November 8, 2012 at 1:06pm
  When 51% of the populous is absolutely ignorant and mindlessly willing to blindly follow hollow words, emply promises and evil rhetoric, its an easy sell.
  
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