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Is It Time for the GOP to Abandon Social Conservatism?
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Is it time for the Republican Party to abandon social conservatism?
That question likely creates knots in the stomachs of pro-life individuals who also believe ardently in the defense of traditional marriage. But in the wake of President Barack Obama’s victory, an ongoing search has commenced for the basis of defeat and, simultaneously, for the heart and soul of the Republican Party. Naturally, some are certainly wondering where social issues fit into the mix.
And who could overlook the anxious excitement among some who’d like nothing more than to gleefully scribble an obituary for the nation’s so-called “religious right.” But are these detractors drawing conclusions too quickly — or are they correct in their assertions? With less than 72 hours passing since the conclusion of the electoral race, it’s hard to tell.
Before we get into the specifics and explore these claims, let’s examine where the general public falls on the two, key social issues of importance: abortion and same-sex marriage. To do this, we can look closely at FOX News’ exit polling data, which provides information about how voters view these issues.
WHERE AMERICANS STAND ON ABORTION
When asked to provide an assessment of whether abortion should be permitted, 59 percent of the 5,131 voters consulted said that the procedure should be “legal,” with 36 percent choosing “illegal.” Now, it’s important to note that people are only being given two options here — something that pigeonholes voters into choosing extremes, despite having potentially mixed views on the multifaceted subject.
When a separate question was asked — one that allowed voters to choose between different, more specified options, the results were fascinating. Only 29 percent of the nation said that abortion should be “legal in all cases,” although a combined 59 percent said that in should at least be “legal in some cases.” But on the flip side, 23 percent said that it should be “illegal in most cases,” with an additional 13 percent calling for it not to be allowed in any case. Here’s the table:
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From a policy standpoint, there’s no doubt here that the current schema is more favorable to the pro-choice movement (and that, if we’re strictly speaking about policy, pro-choice candidates may resonate with more voters). But, as stated, abortion is a complex subject — one that can’t be measured by one, or even two, polling questions.
In May, TheBlaze highlighted some of the ideological transformations that may be afoot when it comes to the issue of abortion. Among Gallup’s fascinating findings at the time, the proportion of Americans calling themselves pro-choice is at a record low — a decline that is seen among all three U.S. political groups (Democrat, Republican and Independent).
Overall, the 2012 results showed that 50 percent of the nation calls itself “pro-life,” with only 41 percent claiming to be “pro-choice.” In 2011, 49 percent of the nation called itself pro-choice, with an additional 45 percent claiming that they were pro-life. In 2010, the results were similar, as 45 percent were pro-choice and 47 percent were pro-life.
The 2012 number clearly show a shift in personal perspective away from abortion. But — let’s not forget the important difference between the Gallup question and the information being explored in the exit poll. While Gallup was asking for personal perspective, the exit poll focused upon policy. The point here: It’s entirely possible to call oneself pro-life, but to still favor laws that give women “choice” on the abortion front.
WHERE AMERICANS STAND ON GAY MARRIAGE
Same-sex marriage is another highly-controversial issue that social conservatives have overwhelmingly rejected. While politically-flammable, it’s also a subject that is seemingly easier to measure — and one on which Americans are firmly divided.
According to FOX News’ exit polls, 49 percent of the nation believe that their state should “legally recognize same-sex marriage.” An additional 46 percent, however, do not agree with this sentiment. On yet another issue, America is divided (however, the nation is more equally split on the policy perspective associated with this issue than it is on abortion).
According to Gallup’s 2012 findings, 50 percent of the nation supports gay marriage and 48 percent does not believe that nuptials for same-sex couples should be legally affirmed. In the past, The Blaze also analyzed the 2011 numbers, which found for the first time since Gallup began asking questions about same-sex marriage, that more than 50 percent of the American public supported legalizing gay unions (53 percent to be exact).
While the 2012 numbers showed somewhat of a decline in support when compared to the previous year, the affirmative proportion stands firm, at least for now, at 50 percent. The nation remains divided, but over the past few years there has been an intense effort to push for equal rights in relation to homosexual marriage — actions that may be paying off for proponents.
In 1996, only 27 percent of the nation supported gay marriage. By 2004, this proportion had grown to 42 percent. This year, despite the 2011 versus 2012 disparity, the situation is evolving. Normally, allowing constituents to vote on gay marriage has had disastrous results for those hoping to see the institution legalized.
But this electoral cycle, three states — Washington, Maryland and Maine — legalized same-sex unions (and with the population voting in favor of these rights). Previously, 32 similar attempts across the nation failed, with North Carolina’s earlier this year serving as the latest example.
And, as The Christian Post reported, “While voters in Washington, Maine and Maryland voted to allow same-sex marriage, voters in Minnesota turned back a proposed constitutional amendment that would have prohibited same-sex marriage if it were approved by law.” Plainly stated: One cannot help but wonder if the legalities are taking a turn in favor of gay nuptials.
All things considered, while abortion appears to be evolving based on new technologies and a slight pro-life tilt, gay marriage is moving in a much more rapid direction (one that is unfavorable to those who fervently espouse traditional marriage).
ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION & THE AMERICAN PUBLIC
Another issue, immigration, based on exit polls, warrants a quick look. Overwhelmingly, Americans said that illegals who are already in the United States (65 percent agreed) should be granted “a chance to apply for legal status.”
Only 28 percent of the nation embraces the notion that these individuals should be deported back “to the country they came from” (on the whole, Romney voters overwhelmingly embraced deportation). Here’s the table showcasing these results (once again, respondents weren’t given many options and were forced to choose two extremes):
Clearly, both parties need to come up with palatable methods for protecting the borders to prevent further permeation. However, it appears that, for those who already reside here, a path to citizenship is the will of the people (at least according to this exit poll).
Perhaps Romney’s views on “self-deportation” did harm him on this issue, especially among Latinos (however, immigration was not one of the most pressing issues this cycle in voters’ minds). In a column this week, commentator Charles Krauthammer proclaimed that the GOP must embrace “amnesty” if it wishes to reform itself.
“The problem is hardly structural. It requires but a single policy change: Border fence plus amnesty. Yes, amnesty,” he wrote. “Use the word. Shock and awe — full legal normalization (just short of citizenship) in return for full border enforcement.”
HOW SOCIAL ISSUES PLAYED INTO THE 2012 ELECTION
Gay marriage, abortion and immigration, aside, there are many other social issues that emerge in the American political schema. However, it the first two issues that stand out as the most relevant, controversial and, arguably, the most talked about.
Based on Romney’s electoral loss, numerous outlets are questioning whether the “religious right,” a group that is monumentally pro-life and anti-gay marriage — and the cohort that helped George W. Bush win his 2004 election — is beginning to implode and lose its relevance.
“On multiple levels, Tuesday’s election results raised questions about the Christian right’s agenda on American politics, eight years after the movement helped sweep President George W. Bush into a second term and opened the era of state bans on same-sex marriage,” CNN’s Dan Gilgoff wrote.
Religion News Service, like CNN, framed the electoral losses and their impact on religious conservatives in the following terms:
Instead of the promised victories, the religious right encountered defeat at almost every turn. Not only did Obama win convincingly, but Democrats held onto the Senate – and the power to confirm judges – and Wisconsin elected the nation’s first openly gay senator, Tammy Baldwin.
Meanwhile, Republican senate candidates Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock went down to unanticipated defeat in large part because of their strongly anti-abortion views, and an effort in Florida to restrict abortion failed. For the first time ever, same-sex marriage proponents won on ballots in four out of four states, while marijuana for recreational use was legalized in two out of three states where the question was on the ballot.
Even Michele Bachmann, an icon among Christian conservatives, barely held onto her House seat in Minnesota while Tea Party favorite Allen West lost his congressional district in Florida.
Considering that Obama, a president who is staunchly pro-choice and who is actively advocating for same-sex marriage, was able to win, in the minds of some, showcases that the Christian right’s influence may be waning. However, such a standpoint fails to take into account other issues going on in America. Elections are multifaceted. Even within a voting bloc, there are intervening issues to consider that have a profound impact on turnout and candidate selection.
The Catholic vote, for instance, has also been a focus of discussion in the wake of the election. Despite Obama’s marriage and abortion views, which run contrary to Catholic teaching, he still won the Catholic cohort. This development was particularly troubling to some conservatives, especially following the Obama administration’s controversial contraceptive mandate, which was widely seen as an assault on religious liberty. However, numerous intervening factors, including views on immigration, economics and ethnicity, may have swayed the Catholic vote.
“Maybe Hispanic Catholics were not as moved by religious liberty-type arguments as by immigration and economics,” John Green, a religion and politics expert at the University of Akron, told CNN, thus emphasizing the role that Latinos played in Obama’s re-election.
This is, of course, just a mere snapshot into the presidential race. When considering how much social issues played into the campaign, it’s essential that one must, after exploring where the American people stand on these fronts, also assess which issues, overall, were on voters’ minds when they headed into the polls.
While strong opinions abound over social issues in the U.S., when exploring the subjects of most importance to the voting public, abortion and gay marriage barely registered. In essence, this makes sense. After all, everyone knew that the economy was the number one issue this election cycle.
CNN’s early exit poll results the day of the election found that, by far, economic conditions were on voters’ minds, followed by health care, the deficit and foreign policy. So, while abortion and gay marriage likely shaped, to a lesser degree, how people decided to vote, they weren’t highly motivating factors (or issues that were at the forefront of peoples’ minds).
Considering voters’ priorities, it’s no wonder social conservatism seemingly played a small role in the election.
IS SOCIAL CONSERVATISM TO BLAME FOR ROMNEY’S LOSS?
So, considering these issues, was social conservatism at the center of Romney’s loss? There are, of course, one-issue voters who will reject or even accept a candidate based on a solitary social stance. When it comes to gay marriage and abortion, in fact, this dynamic is prevalent. Currently, conservatives and liberals, alike, are jockeying over whether the party is too right-of-center or – not conservative enough.
Still, looking beyond this debate and focusing more on strategy, others recognize that the Republican Party’s future likely hinges upon reaching out to groups that have not traditionally, at least in recent decades, embraced the GOP — young people, the religiously-unaffiliated (a fast-growing group) and minorities (the latter of which tends, depending on the sub group, to be highly religious).
“Defeat can be a very clarifying moment,” Faith and Freedom Coalition president Ralph Reed told The Wall Street Journal. “We need to find a way to combine core principles with an outreach strategy that is more welcome to voters who haven’t always been reached out to.”
While this ideal is certainly true, especially when looking at ongoing demographic changes, it’s impossible not to miss out on the overwhelming theme that this election was all about the economy. Building upon this notion, but with additional framing, lawyer and blogger John Hinderaker noted his belief that America, despite what the right has conventionally contended, is not, economically-speaking, a center-right nation.
“This belief is one that we conservatives have cherished for a long time, but as of today, I think we have to admit that it is false. America is a deeply divided country with a center-left plurality,” Hinderaker wrote. “This plurality includes a vast number of citizens who describe themselves as moderates, but whose views on the issues are identical or similar to those that have historically been deemed liberal.”
The blogger continued, providing a framing of the American public’s purportedly troubling reliance upon and penchant for government subsidies:
Put bluntly, the takers outnumber the makers. The polls in this election cycle diverged in a number of ways, but in one respect they were remarkably consistent: every poll I saw, including those that forecast an Obama victory, found that most people believed Mitt Romney would do a better job than Barack Obama on the economy. So with the economy the dominant issue in the campaign, why did that consensus not assure a Romney victory? Because a great many people live outside the real, competitive economy. Over 100 million receive means tested benefits from the federal government, many more from the states. And, of course, a great many more are public employees. To many millions of Americans, the economy is mostly an abstraction.
Then there is the fact that relatively few Americans actually pay for the government they consume. To a greater extent than any other developed nation, we rely on upper-income people to finance our federal government. When that is combined with the fact that around 40% of our federal spending isn’t paid for at all–it is borrowed–it is small wonder that many self-interested voters are happy to vote themselves more government. Mitt Romney proclaimed that Barack Obama was the candidate of “free stuff,” and voters took him at his word.
It is quite possible that the economic uncertainties, teamed with the aforementioned sentiments, played a major role in Romney’s loss. But — as for social issues, there doesn’t seem to be any evidence at the moment that they were central to the candidate’s fall.
A FINAL NOTE ON SOCIAL ISSUES
It’s far too early to proclaim that the religious right is losing its influence. After all, different election cycles call for renewed and divergent focuses. In 2004, national security was on everyone’s minds; in 2012, it was the economy.
We do know that religion is slightly declining in American society and that, of course, has a potential impact on electoral prospects. However, the obituary-writing and dismissive nature of social conservatism seems pre-mature. While a continued exploration is warranted, so is a look into government policy and its impact on dependency — and how these elements translate into votes for and against the nation’s major political parties.
All this in mind, keeping an eye on social issues is important, especially considering the trajectory that gay marriage is on. While it is entirely possible that social issues didn’t hamper Romney’s chances, if the nation continues to be more accepting of gay marriage, the party’s adherence to traditional unions (or, at least the sometimes tough, though principled, words on the issue) may harm future GOP candidates at the polls.
As for abortion, the issue remains complex. From a policy standpoint, the nation continues to favor pro-choice policy. But personal views seem to be trending in a pro-life direction.
Considering these elements, it would benefit the Republican Party to consider its messaging and how it markets its social — and economic — policies. Very few issues in this world are black and white in practice. Considering the grey areas and finding balance, while remaining true to conviction can be a difficult practice. However, it’s something that both parties should regularly be doing, as social change comes to fruition.
Remember, while Obama captured the majority of the votes, the election was somewhat close. Obama won over 50 percent of the nation and Romney resonated with 48 percent of voters. Thus, an embrace of conservative values hasn’t yet diminished to dangerously-low levels or else the disparity between the candidates would have been greater.
In the Washington Post, Michael Gerson wrote the following about the GOP’s challenge in the coming years — words that are certainly fascinating (but ideals that not all conservatives will embrace):
This is the conservative task over the next few years: not to preserve a rigid ideology but to reconstruct a political appeal along improved but principled lines.
Some of the most important intellectual groundwork is needed on the role of government. Mitt Romney had a five-part plan to encourage job creation. He lacked a public philosophy that explained government’s valid role in meeting human needs. Suburban women heard little about improved public education. Single women, particularly single mothers, heard little about their struggles, apart from an off-putting Republican critique of food stamps. Blue-collar workers in, say, Ohio heard little about the unique challenges that face declining industrial communities. Latinos heard little from Republicans about promoting equal opportunity and economic mobility.
In the end, rather than abandoning social conservatism, it seems that the GOP has two major tasks at hand moving forward: Heed Reed’s advice to refine an outreach strategy that reaches new populations, while remaining true to values, and figure out how to tackle and address the pitfalls of government dependency.
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baxter999
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 11:54amUnless we stop immigration, we’re doomed. With a million legal immigrants a year plus several million illegal immigrants a year who vote 3 to 1 socialist/democrat, the conservatives will lose by more and more. If the Republican House can stop the government and force the liberals to accept real border enforcement etc. in exchange for continued funding of the welfare constituency, although at a lower level, we could then have a chance at educating all the socialist recent arrivals.
WIth a Republican House, we have the power to fix anything right now instead of wringing our hands. The fact that no Republican is stating this obvious solution shows me that its time to leave the Grossly stupid Old Party for greener pastures.
GIve up social conservative positions? Never!
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ShyLow
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 12:10pmImigration is not going to be stopped by either party. Whites need to practice conservatism in their own lives, and can start by conserving their race by not having children of color.
The Jews still exist because of Ezra. God’s people would have dissolved like alkiseltzer in water if weren’t for Ezra
God bless whites that have white children
Eastinfection
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 12:20pmSHALLOW….
You think the way to save the GOP is to promote white supremacy? lol… good luck with that.
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ltb
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 12:25pmWe need to get something very clear about the results of this election: Obama did not win because Romney was too conservative, Romney lost because he was not conservative enough. We listened to idiots in 2008 who told us McCain was the only way we could beat Obama and then we listened to those very same idiots in 2012. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. In some ways, I respect the conservatives who stood by their principles and refused to vote for Romney. They may have helped bring on the complete destruction of America much quicker than had Romney been elected, but maybe we need to go ahead and let the thing burn to the ground.
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Obama Snake Oil Co
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 12:30pmYou post reads true on so many levels….what the republicans were lacking wasn’t views, it was republicans showing up at the polls…….WTH were they thinking?
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soybomb315_II
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 12:40pmThanks LTB!
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 12:45pmThe GOP is trying to cover its bases here and look like they have principle.
Here’s the reason Romney lost. Everybody knew and knows he’s an east coast New England Leftist.
Try to make this about something other than offering a dyed in the wool RINO to true conservatives, and you distract from the real point, Blaze.
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Ilikepeople
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 12:48pmThere is only one way, and one way only you’ll ever save the U.S. But instead because of selfishness you’ll divide into separate parties, and the Dems will rule until the U.S is no more.
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Iamaduck
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 12:49pm@SHYLOW A racist on the blaze? how ‘s that possible? This is the mos open-minded site on the internet. Full of tolerant people and not at all neo-nazis wannabes.
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TimesThatTryMenSouls
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 12:50pmThe Democrats long term plan:
Since 1990 over 1 million legal immigrants every year. That is over 22 MILLION VOTERS.
Their children can now vote.
Illegal immigrants flooding our nation because of open boarders. Another 20 MILLION.
Their children can now vote.
That has to be around at least 60 MILLION new voters over the last 22 years, with 80% voting Democrat.
We are DOOMED. We must get immigration under control, including legal immigration. I fear though it is already too late.
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Twinspeedr
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 1:19pm“Indivisible” only exists in the Pledge of Allegiance which was written by a Socialist. It is time for the ignorant lemmings and their Socialist masters and true Americans to part ways, hopefully we can do it amicably.
America v3.0 is now gone and America v4.0 is not going to live very long on it’s present path. Secession should be on the minds of people living in the Red states. This was hyperbole in 2008, but it is the only long-term solution I can see for people who love God, family, hard work and honest sustainable living. We had just better plan to build a serious wall on our borders to keep these pin-heads out of our country once Progressivism has sucked everything dry on their side.
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Nancys Red Diaper Doper Babies
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 1:21pmToo late. The GOP punted for too long and allow the Latino base to grow too large before addressing it. The real problem isn’t that immigration reform turns off Latinos it that Latinos are fiscally liberal. Latinos are the fastest growing voter block and for the most part they are fundamentally opposed to fiscal conservatism.
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Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 1:28pmImaduck,
In the interest of fairness here, what is more racist? Those stupid remarks or the position that blacks and hispanics need special benefits/rules/protection because they aren’t capable of making it in the world without them?
If you ask me, both those are pretty jacked up. Think I could go over to HuffPo and find that point of view in about 20 seconds? Betchya I could.
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Truthbeliever2
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 1:30pmThe GOP is overrun with PROGRESSIVES!!! There is no more GOP. It’s DEAD.
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BookMDanno
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 1:33pmBut I’m afraid it’s too late. You can’t undo the effects of decades of open, unrestricted legal AND ILLEGAL immigration. More to the story: I don’t understand how we can be socially liberal while fiscally conservative. Gay marriage is not a hot issue with me except for the constant, d**ning encroachment by liberals on every aspect of life: somehow, ‘acceptance’ turns into ‘promoting’ which becomes ‘preferential.’ And this is not an abstract ‘slippery slope’ argument–it’s fact. I quit AARP because one issue alone had 2 articles celebrating the joys of same-sex love. Really? Y’think that’s the hot topic for seniors?
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TomSawyer
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 1:35pmI agree. Most Mexican immigrants will vote democratic no matter what Republicans say or do. Period. Shut the border and require proof of citizenship to work.
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zorro
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 1:36pmConservatives are being played like fiddles by the left. Abandon social issues? That’s exactly what they want you to do! Social Conservitavism goes right to the core of the individual. We will NOT abandon those values, ever. Abandon social issues and you’re left with an even smaller party. Good luck.
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Truthbeliever2
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 1:47pmI’M WHITE AND I WANT WHITE CHILDREN!
Call me racist all you like you bunch of white guilt ridden push-overs. This Race BS is one of the main reasons we are loosing our rights to Free Speech. Keep calling your own people racist for foolish reasons and see how far it gets you. Take your white guilt ridden ego and dump it in the garbage.
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JRook
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 1:48pm“abortion is a complex subject” and this phraseology is exactly what the republicans don’t seem to grasp. As the issue is one of reproductive rights not pro life or pro choice. And pro reproductive independent voters are neither pro abortion or anti-life. They understand, unlike the Belief Entitled on both extremes, that reproductive choice is fundamentally consistent with the tenants the founding fathers put the most importance on Individual freedom, Individual liberty and Individual self determination. Whether the founding fathers were devote, average or loose christians is irrelevant with regard to the discussion and they would tell you that despite what revisionist history GB ties to peddle. Religious beliefs are ultimately based in faith which is fine. But other beliefs should by and large be rooted in facts, scientific findings, rational analysis and the collective experience thereof. And as such it is possible for individuals to hold conservative beliefs / positions in one area and liberal positions / beliefs in others. But that doesn’t sell as well for GB, Rush, Ann Coulter and the other individuals who are drove more independent voters away than even Romney’s lying did.
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AvengerK
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 1:50pmZORRO is right…dont’ fall into the liberal trap.
The problem isn’t social conservatism, it’s being allowed to get the mesage out.
When young children say things like this where are they getting it from?-
Republicans only care about only the rich and don’t care about anyone else.
Republicans hate people of color and hispanics.
Republicans hate gays.
Republicans are racist.
The government that provides jobs.
Corporations are bad, and profits are bad. They should give their excess money to their employees.
Taxes are good; they provide the money for the government to take care of people.
Government should expand and take care of everyone in the country.
America has been a force for evil.
Government has an unlimited source of funds. When money’s short it taxes and it should tax rich people as much as it wants to.
They’re getting it from their liberal educators who dominate the teaching community. The conservative message is poisoned before it even reaches them is it any wonder they don’t like conservativism? And these kids are voters in a few short years..THIS is what we’re seeing in the numbers in this article. The Media plays a vital role in this saturation of liberal messaging on the culture. Address the media and schools and watch things turn around very quickly.
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TembRising
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 1:55pmConservative values should be diluted? why?
to appease democrats?
How about asking when Democrats are going to stop corrupting the election process?
How about demanding some answers on their fake registrations, their early voting fraud, their ghetto bribes and black panthers?
As long the GOP is so meek and naive, we will lose again and again. We are fighting an evil, unGodly, force that wants to promote islam, jail those who oppose, take away our gun rights, and shove down our throats(literally) perversions and mediocrity.
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AvengerK
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 1:55pmStop insulting everyone’s intelligence JCROOK with your insipid “reproductive rights” idiocies.
Your kind enjoys two great advantages that’s why you can bandy laughable catch phrases like “reproductive rights” around feign seriousness.
You dominate the education system.
You dominate the media.
Once those two areas are taken back from your insidious lefty hands the culture will be able to hear both sides of the argument without the conservative view being poisoned before it even reaches them.
And make no mistake….they will be taken back.
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The_Jerk
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 1:58pmNeocon, social liberal/international hawk, Charles Krauthammer, is going back to his Jewish roots. Sacrifice anything, including principles, for power and wealth. He’s talking amnesty for all illegals, rewards for law breakers.
These are our true traitors.
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TembRising
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 1:59pmtwinspeedr I agree , it is not working out to have ultra left wing ideas forced on conservatives. they are not willing to leave us alone, their intention is force. Obama “sides with the muslim” as you recall. He said it himself. He sides with men who promote anal sex with men.He sends billions to our enemies.
It is time to say a friendly separation might be in order . As friendly supportive neighbors, red state nation should cause no problems for blue.
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truthsurfer
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 2:04pmWe need to level the playing field and start allowing white europeans to flood into conservative states and let them stay legally or illegally remember they are just looking for a better life.
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dlanod
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 2:07pmthe repulpcans more than liklely will decide they need to go left to survive . don;t look for them to stop anything. besides obama will just go around them we going down grab an chair an watch our final demise.
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NHwinter
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 2:18pmWhen I see polls showing that voters trust Barack Obama over Mitt Romney on energy, the economy, national security, and immigration, I’m truly aghast at the ignorance of my countrymen. Appalled by the stupidity of the American electorate…. Morons (there is no other word) cannot engender prosperity, and the idea that monopolistic Federal Power, run by a Fourth Rail of bureaucrats, will create wealth is absurd. Barack Obama is to Freedom – to the Constitution and to individual rights – a disease. Those who think otherwise, who either are unaware of or in support of this unprincipled, anti-American demagogue, are a danger to the country.
And, to themselves.
~Greg Halvorson
Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/11/what_we_lost_on_november_6.html?utm_source=11-09-12+Newsletter&utm_campaign=AT+Newsletter+11-09-12&utm_medium=email#ixzz2Bkgamjsu
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Southerner01
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 2:54pmShylow, go back to the Democratic Underground and stop trolling here. You are obviously not a conservative or a Republican. You are a troll trying to make it look like extremists post here.
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resme
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 3:20pm“The problem with American conservatism is that it hates the left more than the state, loves the past more than liberty, feels a greater attachment to nationalism than to the idea of self-determination, believes brute force is the answer to all social problems, and thinks it is better to impose truth rather than risk losing one soul to heresy. It has never understood the idea of freedom as a self-ordering principle of society. It has never seen the state as the enemy of what conservatives purport to favor. It has always looked to presidential power as the saving grace of what is right and true about America. “
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resme
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 3:26pm“The picture generally given of the relative position of the three parties does more to obscure than to elucidate their true relations. They are usually represented as different positions on a line, with the socialists on the left, the conservatives on the right, and the liberals somewhere in the middle. Nothing could be more misleading. If we want a diagram, it would be more appropriate to arrange them in a triangle with the conservatives occupying one corner, with the socialists pulling toward the second and the liberals toward the third. But, as the socialists have for a long time been able to pull harder, the conservatives have tended to follow the socialist rather than the liberal direction and have adopted at appropriate intervals of time those ideas made respectable by radical propaganda. It has been regularly the conservatives who have compromised with socialism and stolen its thunder. Advocates of the Middle Way with no goal of their own, conservatives have been guided by the belief that the truth must lie somewhere between the extremes – with the result that they have shifted their position every time a more extreme movement appeared on either wing.”
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AvengerK
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 4:14pmummm…was there something wrong with social conservativism in 2010 when the GOP took the house with the highest numbers in 70 years?
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Tall Tal
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 4:58pmThe idea that we as conservatives would compromise with the devil is unthinkable,Jesus never did and we never will,So help me God
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sacwoodpusher
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 5:01pmThe reason that Social Security and Medicare are such a drain is because there are too many old people vs young people. Allowing young people to immigrate, people in their 20′s, can partially reduce this imbalance.
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justangry
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 5:26pm@Tall Tal, No one is telling you to compromise your principles. Just keep them, if not specifically authorized by the Constitution, at the state and local levels. I mean aren’t you asking the federal government to EXPAND with every new social issue you want them to enforce? That’s progressive.
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carlschulz
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 5:34pmShylow, wow dude. It’s time to get your head out of your arse.
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Republic1
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 5:53pm@ JRook: There is a clear distinction between “reproductive rights” and pro-life/pro-choice. Reproductive rights are an issue in China where those subjects under Communist rule are not permitted to have more than one child. Therefore, the pro-life/pro-choice issue in America does not fall under the reproductive rights purview, and is a meritless claim. Pro-choice is an argument in favor of irresponsible sex with impunity. On this issue, our laws and views are contradictory in America. When a pregnant woman is murdered, the public is outraged that an innocent, unborn baby was slaughtered while the law steps in to prosecute the murderer of a double homicide. On the other hand, both the public and the law turn a blind-eye towards the slaughtering of the innocent, unborn baby if its own mother murders him/her.
I am sure many of you will respond negatively to what I just said, but those are the facts. You’ve heard this before – you are entitled to your opinions, but not your own set of facts.
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justangry
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 6:27pm@AvengerK, The 2010 Tea Party candidates didn’t run on social conservatism. They ran on limited government, and fiscal responsibility.
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KGray
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 6:56pmHere we go again. Republican talking heads telling conservatives they need to abandon conservative principles. I didn’t even read this whole post because I’ve heard it before. For some bizarre reason, even though history has a tendency of repeating itself, social liberal republicans always manage to convince themselves that we’ve evolved. That conservative, and especially religious, values are no longer relevant.
Let’s just forget for a moment that Democrats/Progressives embraced early in the 20th Century the objectives of the Communist Party: destroy belief in God, destroy the family, and destroy capitalism.
So just for fun, I decided to make a list of progressive, liberal milestones that conservatives over the century have caved on that have brought us to where we are today.
1. The Scopes Monkey Trial
We have at least 2 generations of Americans now convinced that they came from an irascible ape. This usually leads to behavior that is far worse. Now anyone who dares challenge this ridiculous theory is at the least laughed at, at the most threatened. Students who try to present the creationist argument can and do receive failing grades on tests, some even expelled. I bet most readers would never except the notion that you can use the Bible as a guide to learn about our origins. Many consider creationism “religion” and evolution “science”.
It is interesting to note that anthropologist and archeologist refer to the Bible regularly in their res
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KGray
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 7:04pmI keep forgetting how much we can post. Here’s my next point.
1. The Scopes Monkey Trial
We have at least 2 generations of Americans now convinced that they came from an irascible ape. This usually leads to behavior that is far worse. Now anyone who dares challenge this ridiculous theory is at the least laughed at, at the most threatened. Students who try to present the creationist argument can and do receive failing grades on tests, some even expelled. I bet most readers would never except the notion that you can use the Bible as a guide to learn about our origins. Many consider creationism “religion” and evolution “science”.
It is interesting to note that anthropologist and archeologist refer to the Bible regularly in their research.
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KGray
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 7:04pm2. The Motion Picture Production Code
Way back at the beginning of the 20th Century, morally conservative people dominated power in Hollywood. In 1952, the ever reliable Supreme Court ruled that the motion picture industry had protection of First Amendment rights. Mind you, this was the Vinson Court (Fred Vinson was a Democrat).
Ben Shapiro put out a good book that I’d like to read, “Primetime Propaganda: The True Hollywood Story of How the Left Took Over Your TV”. He said “Narrative matters.” And Republicans have abandoned the power of emotional appeal. We need to stop worrying so much about politics and start working at taking back the art of storytelling.
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KGray
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 7:05pm3. The infamous 1960′s and pop culture.
When I look back at how my grandparents generation responded with such apathy to the radicalism expressed by their children, I want to reach back into history and slap them! Even the church was being infiltrated by people who suggested that civic duty and politics were none of the church’s concern because it wasn’t “God’s work”. Thanks a lot. And because of them, my son’s future is in jeopardy.
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Marine25
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 7:05pmHere is what real conservatives should, but likely won’t, learn from election night:
It’s not just the economy, stupid. It’s the whole package
Abandoning large constitutencies, like women, Latinos, and young voters is not a winning formula
Scolding women that they should be concerned about the economy and not their bodies and health is a very dangerous tactic.
The partisan identification in 2008 was not a freak accident. There are more Democrats than Republicans, so instead of ridiculing Nate Silver and his party ID models (he nailed all 50 states within 1%) conservatives should label Rasmussen as the clown that he is.
Moderation wins for Republicans. According to Mr. Silver, who, again, was spot-on, Romney’s best chance ever to win came immediately after the first debate, when he consistently portrayed himself as a moderate. His surrogates then retracted his statements; green energy, pre-existing conditions, bipartisanship, and his bounce evaporated and he got drubbed on election night.
Nominating a plutocrat who likes firing people and writes off half the country is not a wise move
Don’t pick a guy who can’t release his tax returns because they are full of poison.
There aren’t enough billionaires to buy the election
Don’t talk about gay marriage unless you are supporting it
Don’t talk about rape except maybe if you are proposing to castrate rapists
The tea-party makes for great news highlights but commits too many turnovers to win the big game,
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KGray
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 7:07pm4. Prayer removed from the classroom in 1963 (this says it all)
1940 1990
1. Talking out of turn 1. Drug abuse
2. Chewing Gum 2. Alcohol abuse
3. Making noise 3. Pregnancy
4. Running in the Halls 4. Suicide
5. Cutting in Line 5. Rape
6. Dress-code violations 6. Robbery
7. Littering 7. Assault
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KGray
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 7:07pm5. Roe v Wade
Ahh the most revered ruling of all. The right to butcher your child for the sake of sexual liberation.
Now we have over 50 million infants have been tortured to death in ways that would make the most sadistic minds of the 20th Century salivate at the mouth. Cancer is also tied to abortion, not to mention depression and even suicide…of the mothers. That’s something to look forward to.
Another thing, the perspective of women who sleep around, even by liberals, really hasn’t changed. Men still lose respect for women who are easily seduced. Men still do not look favorably on women who behave that way, even when they encourage it. They’ll still “love you and leave you”. It is hypocritical, to say the least.
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KGray
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 7:08pm6. And the crown jewel! GAY MARRIAGE
You know, from all of my research, I never cease to be amazed at how little gays care about the fate of fellow gays. I read a while ago of how gay activists were ENCOURAGING gays to contract AIDS! And now, pedophiles are working on the same strategy to legitimize their “lifestyle”.
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KGray
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 7:09pmJoseph Stalin observed that America could not be overtaken by force because of its morality and patriotism. If he could undermine its morality, America would collapse from within.
And this is what are so-called representatives in “conservative” media and Congress want us to submit to. So our “conservative” leaders have caved on liberalism throughout the 20th Century and because they refuse to learn from history, they will continue to submit to what they have accepted as the “cultural norm” until they finally capitulate to something far, far worse.
Note: You need to read The Naked Communist by Cleon Skousen.
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From Virginia
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 7:19pmNo – we won’t abandon social conservatism. We’ll just stay home the next time they put up their next squish. Let them try to win without us. They need us – we don’t need them.
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davisgarvey
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 7:25pmAgreed…we cannot abandon what’s right. As for stopping illegal immigration, perhaps the best solution would be to stop welfare payments to illegal immigrants. The logic is that they will stop coming here and may even leave here to head back to the land that they love.
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ShyLow
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 8:34pmIf conservation of your own people is bad, then I don’t want to be a conservative.
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justangry
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 8:57pm@From Virginia, Why must you spread your ‘social conservatism’ at the federal level against the 10th amendment?
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Wolf
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 10:10pmThe GOP abandonned ‘social conservatism’ in the 50′s, if not earlier, so the question is moot.
Rather, the question should be, ‘Should the GOP return to being socially conservative? Or, should the GOP require balls on its male gender rather than ******* like Bohner.
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justangry
Posted on November 10, 2012 at 12:32am@Wolf, The GOP has given up on fiscal and constitutional conservatism. The neoconservatives pander to the religious right and social conservatism because they’re easy to manipulate. They want to bomb Iraq for oil and the military industrial complex so they convince the religious right through their media that they’re doing it for God’s chosen people, play their religion against another because they’re already convinced that it’s just they way it is based on prophesy. Social conservatism is a progressive movement. Look it up. They’re being played by the elites I’m sure don’t share their values. They tax us, steal our wealth through currency manipulation by the federal reserve, then they spy on us with cameras everywhere, drones, the NSA, and hire thugs to oppress us with money they stole from us. Meanwhile they crap on our constitutional rights making us prisoners in our own country while working with foreigners at the CFR/UN. Social conservatives are the useful idiots (progressives) that are allowing this to happen. It must stop to save this country. We have to unite under constitutional / fiscal conservatism and put an end to this madness. I mean really what’s more important our constitution or homosexuals getting married? Social conservatives priorities are screw up. The politicians they vote for all pander to “God”, but obviously are just playing them for fools or they wouldn’t vote away their god-given rights and sell us out to the international
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krinks
Posted on November 10, 2012 at 10:23amThey didn’t seem to figure out that since 7 million white voters stayed home maybe this is a sign that some saw through yet another lifelong liberal pretending to be a conservative at election time and refused to support him.
They also have’t figured out who in their right mind would choose the Republican if the choice is bwetween two liberals.
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georgiewells
Posted on November 10, 2012 at 5:01pmWhen we have: Africa for Africans, Asia for Asians, White Countries for Everybody, what do we have overtime?
We have more and more non-whites in White countries since the right of Whites to exclusive territory is denied them.
We have fewer and fewer White people.
When we mix more non-whites and fewer Whites in the same living space, what do we get?
In time, White extinction. Its called White genocide because this does not happen by chance. It is being forced upon Whites just like a rapist does not take no for an answer.
How is this not so? How is this not White genocide?
Anti-racist is a codeword for anti-white.
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momTEXAS
Posted on November 10, 2012 at 6:40pmAgreed! Our country has all the diversity it needs. I work in 3rd world countries and work with people immigrating here from 3rd world countries. They don’t immigrate well. They want a hand out and they want America to change to fit their needs. I believe that this mass influx of people with totally different morals and beliefs will be the end of our great country.
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Pigpen
Posted on November 10, 2012 at 8:20pmBAXTER999 “Unless we stop immigration, we’re doomed.”
We are already doomed. You just don’t know it yet. You have lost control of the Republic. NOT because of illegal immigration. NOT because of Obama. YOU lost control of the Republic when you started to be “TOLERANT” of vice. You gave the homosexual community its start when you ceased denouncing the behavior and started to allow yourselves to be “entertained” by the funny, innocuous gay people in Hollywood. YOU lost control of the Republic when you traded social morality for a peek at Madonna without her knickers on. YOU lost control of the Republic when you turned your wives out of the home and out into the work place (like a bunch of pimps) so that you could buy jet skis, summer homes, four wheelers, etc. Do you want to know WHO the social liberals are who have DESTROYED the Republic? IT WAS YOU, you dumb hayseeds, IT WAS YOU!
So now what do our great leaders who have brought us to this point in history want us to do now? ABANDON social conservatism. MAKE A CHOICE, white man, because NOW is the time to choose between what is RIGHT and what is EASY.
Jesus Christ is the Savior of the World. No one can return to our Heavenly Father except by Him. Only REPENTANCE and a RETURN to SOCIAL MORALITY will save the Republic. Gay marriage is an abomination. God WILL PUNISH this nation for it. ALL immigration is wrong! Miscegenation and segregation are GOD’s LAWS. I so testify in the name of Jesus Christ. AMEN.
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R.Waher
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 4:28amDisclaimer to all newcomers to the Blaze: All white supremacist commenters here are not actual conservatives, but liberals trying to make us all look bad. Please ignore them.
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Reclaiming Our Nation
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 1:22amTakers that have no intention on contributing are domestic terrorists. (Excluding those that physically or mentally cannot contribute)
We were wanred of this type of terrorism. Its true name is communism/socialism/ today it is called libralism.
http://reclaimingournation.blogspot.com/p/domestic-terrorism.html
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rdietz7
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 11:53amThe GOP needs to remain strong. Do not waiver. Do not bend. Be resolved.
Stay true on marriage, immigration, pro-life, religion, right to bare arms, the US constitution.
the speaker says that he hopes this administration will compromise. This administration says,’ you first!” If the GOP compromises their beliefs they will do it alone! Do not concede anything to this administration! You are on the side of man and God on all these issues.
For the people by the people.
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oldguy49
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 11:59amtime for a REAL conservative party………………….
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The_Jerk
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 12:02pmIt’s not the principles. It’s the people that we send to sell our principles. They are not true believers, and the dishonesty shows. Democrats use true believers. They never stray. Honesty is a virtue, and people will subconsciously connect to that over a fraud.
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inblack
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 12:10pmIf you believe in the constitution, what could you compromise on?
1) Cut defense spending for a cut in regulations, EPA etc.
– We do not need the level of defense spending we have
2) Eliminate the patriot act and legal assassination of citizens for elimination of dept of education or ATF.
– The patriot act is unconstitutional anyway
3) Agree that marriage is a religious issue not a govt issue in trade for stopping the HHS mandate.
– If they believe in separation of church and state then the state should not define marriage one way or another.
4) Cut all tax credits for industry, oil, private planes, etc in exchange for eliminating govt jobs.
– Tax credits are not a constitutional idea.
5) Give amnesty to any illegal alien that refuses to vote for democrats. ;)
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ShyLow
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 12:18pmIf social conservatism could be dictated from the top, then the fear of answering to God would have been enough.
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encinom
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 12:31pm“Stay true on marriage, immigration, pro-life, religion, right to bare arms, the US constitution”
And watch the GOP/Tea Party become a minority, fringe party. The nation rejected the culture war issues, deal with it.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 12:37pmFor the millionth time, you do not have to give up on social issues….You just have to fight for them at the state level instead of the federal level. Issues for the federal government should be limited to budget, financial, and foreign policy
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Eastinfection
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 12:52pmbingo SOY..
guard the borders and pave the interstate.
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Danny78
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 12:54pmI have been a registered republican for my entire voting life. Since Reagans second term on. Social Conservatism to me comes across as some kind of watered down version of the Taliban. Women should have the choice to have or not have a baby. Gays are citizens too. Not allowing them to marry is ridiculous. The drug war is really a war on American citizens. While I have no problem with peoples religious views and opinions, hearing about it all the time is boring. Especially when I did not ask for anyones religious opinion yet they feel we all need to hear it l I miss Reagan in that regard. He didn’t wear it like a NASCAR uniform but ya still new he had it. We don’t need a police state. Americans at least used to be tough and could protect themselves. To the Taliban wing of the GOP. Get out of my life, my house, my bed. How bout sound money? Fix the potholes, protect the boarders, let me keep more of MY MONEY, and above all protect and defend the constitution. Liberty sells itself! All races get that.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 12:56pm@Danny
Amen. Have you considered looking at the Libertarian Party for the future? Surely, as this election has demonstrated, the GOP will only offer hard leftists and try to fool you into thinking they’re for you. They do that a lot. They are a wasted vote.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 1:06pmkeep it up danny – those were wonderful words
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justangry
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 1:08pm@rdietz7, If you stay true to the Constitution the first three items you listed would be states issues not the fed.
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inblack
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 1:21pm@JUSTANGRY
How is it that life gets demoted below religion as a universal right?
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Danny78
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 1:30pmJefferson
I supported both Johnson for POTUS and Howe for NC governor this time around. It makes more sense to me stay Republican for now it might be faster to right the GOP then grow the libertarian party into a force to be reckoned with. Time is short and it very well be too late to save the “Our” Republic.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 1:32pmInblack
Obviously the founders did not anticipate abortion when they wrote the Constitution. Therefore it is a grey area with respect to the Constitution. So if you want to fix the situation, you can amend the Constitution, otherwise it should be a state issue. Roe v Wade was a bad decision for that reason – but the supreme court will not overturn it even if you put conservatives on it
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AvengerK
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 1:42pmYes of course ENCIDIOT/MONICNE/SLEAZY HIPPO….but what happens when the economy tanks again under Barack Obama? Did the midterms of 2010 fade from your memory? The biggest GOP sweep of the house in 70 years?
The problem isn’t social conservatism. It’s getting the message out.
When school children are reciting things like-
“corporations are bad, profits are bad and businesses should give excess money to us”
“government creates jobs”
“government is meant to take care of us”
“government has unlimited funds”.
“tax the rich will pay for things”.
“the republicans only care about rich people”. they are anti-gay”, “they are anti-immigration and dont’ like hispanics”, “they are not in touch with people like us”…where are they getting this from champ? Liberal educators.
These kids then grow into liberal voters because they’re never allowed to hear the conservative message. Its’ been poisoned for them.
No…the problem isn’t social conservatism, it’s liberal saturation of the culture from the earliest ages possible. When only one message is allowed to reach people it’s no surprise what happens next.
And it will be no surprise when the economy tanks again under Obama…and then what happens? The democrat brand evaporates for the next few election cycles.
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kaydeebeau
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 1:45pm@ Soy – abortion isn’t a gray area if you look at the Declaration…all men are CREATED equal – could have said born – they chose created…. First unalienable right mentioned is life……
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TembRising
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 1:50pmDemocrats mock GOD, mock GOP principles, engage in fraud, lies and coverups and all we do is
publicly smear our own party and values ?!!!
GOP leaders need to remind Americans that the democrats are deeply involved in stealing elections. Obama won on fake votes.
I want it remembered!
I want it shouted.
I will NOT listen to democrat “advice” and drop my values in order to make their mission easier!
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762x51
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 2:16pmoldguy49
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 11:59am
time for a REAL conservative party………………….
OLDGUY – Time for a conservative NATION. The red states that are left need to secede and let the leftists wallow in social justice. That new nation would be founded on the Constitution and capitalism. Kalifornia won’t last two years without the tax revenue from Texas to bail it out How many businesses would relocate to such a country to escape the taxes in leftist Amerika? It is a viable nation with sufficient land mass, agriculture and energy to thrive.
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Cavallo
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 2:23pm@Soy, The founders did anticipate things like abortion, just not abortions specifically.
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
Does the constitution specifically mention abortion? No? Then regulation or lack thereof is “reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” This is why R v W is bad law. They put something in the constitution that does not exist.
As to social issues in general, the GOP just needs to have people who can articulate the position without sounding like a half-wit. None of this actually matters though. The fascist State has been decidedly placed in power, and is here to stay for a very long time. Liberty and the rule of law are dead and gone. Replacing that vacuum are State goodies, and subjective application based on the expediency of the moment.
It is nice once in a while to reminisce about a time when the Constitution might have actually mattered.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 2:25pm@Kay
I think you are mixing your emotions with history. Abortion was not an issue back then. We dont know what the founders would have thought about a person doing something to their own body. The Constitution was not set up for that.
At the time of the declaration and the Constitution, those rights did not even extend to women and black people – how could they possibly have extended to unborn people????
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soybomb315_II
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 2:40pm@cavallo
As i said in my post, it is a state issue and roe v wade was bad law. It is time republicans at the federal level focus on budget and foreign policy and leave the rest to the states
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Truthbeliever2
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 3:21pmI don’t see how they are doing anything to their own body. It’s the living fetus who is having something done to its body. The people getting the abortions are not cutting their own bodies to bloody ribbons with a stainless steel hook. That’s the baby’s body… That is how I see it…
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Truthbeliever2
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 3:30pmYou said it yourself Soy, unborn PEOPLE. They are people in the process of being born. I can’t bring myself to believe that women should have the right to create and destroy life at will.
eg. You just got married to the woman of your dreams. You lay with her and are excited to find out later that you will be a father. Under your definition she should have every right to have the child aborted/killed/murdered before birth. What rights do men have in this scenario? Are men supposed to say well it’s not my child because it’s her body?
P.S. I agree with 95% of what you say on this site.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 3:53pm@truth
As i indicated, the original Constitution did not provide rights to black people and women. Because of that reason, we had to have Constitutional amendments in order to extend those rights. I am not saying abortion is good. I am saying that if you want the federal government involved – it has to be done through a Constitutional amendment (just like black rights, women’s rights, prohibition, etc). Part of the reason the republican party is so lost is because we have been fighting issues at the wrong levels of government and have neglected the true duty of the federal government. A whole generation of republican voters have grown up confused.
I am flattered by your picture. I think it very appropriate for these days….
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justangry
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 4:13pm@inblack, States prosecute homicide and manslaughter cases. Now, while you and I would consider abortion murder there are still those arguing that ‘life’ starts later in the pregnancy than we do and that’s not going to be resolved any time soon. My solution is to follow the Constitution, especially the 10th amendment to get rid of the biggest hurdle Roe v. Wade. Let the states legislate it for the time being. Fight the war of ideas until there’s enough of a consensus to pass an amendment. I mean I know it sucks, but it would be better than we have now and still there’s the privacy issue of the 4th that must to be taken into consideration. Otherwise the means to ban it would be progressive and currently a losing political issue.
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Truthbeliever2
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 4:18pmA divisive and complicated issue indeed. Thank you for your input.
Yes, it is a very appropriate picture for these times. I picked that photo a while back and right around that time I stopped blogging here from the stress. You used to have Jefferson as your photo I think. I was gone for a long time, and I have no problem picking a new one.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 4:43pmcarry on with the picture if you like – maybe we will start a trend
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Wisdom7
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 5:40pmI agree. It would be stupid to give up all of your core values, which define who you are for the sake of politics. You might as well sell your soul to the devil.
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resme
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 7:09pmAs much as i hate Abortions… You can not stop it, People will get back room abortions. Society itself needs to change; Morality needs to come back. I’m not advocating forced morality. Parents need to parent right.
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LIBSALWAYSLIE
Posted on November 10, 2012 at 8:27amENCINOM, your ignorance is astounding. Your stupidity is amazing. You libs deny that you win elections because of the brainwashing done by the liberal media, but its a fact. Without the liberal propaganda machine, AKA, the liberal media, democrats would NEVER win an election. You can deny the truth all you want, but its still the truth.
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neiman1
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 11:51amA Conservative believes in freedom and personal responsibility. Government shouldn’t tell anyone how to live or what they can do to themselves. If an adult wants to live with someone of the same gender it shouldn’t bother a conservative. If an adult wants to smoke pot it shouldn’t bother a conservative. Freedom means allowing people to make choices, but then be responsible for those choices. Restore freedom and fiscal responsibility. I don’t care if your a drunk or on drugs, don’t ask for money.
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Nancys Red Diaper Doper Babies
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 12:00pmCompletely agree Neiman. There are too many quasi-conservatives that act like they want a limited goverment but then want the Government to limit an individual’s choices.
Instead of limiting people’s freedoms and choices, simply hold them accountable for those choices.
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Locked
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 12:06pmSlight addendum to make to your comments:
“If an adult wants to live with someone of the same gender it shouldn’t bother a conservative. If an adult wants to smoke pot it shouldn’t bother a conservative.”
It’s human nature to be upset by some things. I wouldn’t fault anyone who is upset with the idea of gay marriage because of their religious views, for example. The difference is, a conservative shouldn’t force their views on others. Being upset is fine; using the government to force others to your views is definitely not.
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Eastinfection
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 12:22pmall three of you are spot- on.
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themachinist239
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 2:10pmBarry Goldwater for prez 2016!
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TembRising
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 2:12pmLocked, the world is more complex than you and most Republicans realize. So called gay marriage will absolutely opne the door for polygamy> I believe this was actually Obama’s reason for speaking out in favor of gay marriage. His muslim brotherhood friends in America (look at dearborn mich on youtube as they spit on christians) want to legalize polygamy—4 wives, 4 social security checks.
It will be impossible to say No to polygamy if “I want to love whomever i want” is the only requirement for marriage. so muslims become the new demographic for the democrats. blashphamy laws criminalizing free speech will follow
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Locked
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 2:23pm@Tembrising
“It will be impossible to say No to polygamy if “I want to love whomever i want” is the only requirement for marriage. so muslims become the new demographic for the democrats. blashphamy laws criminalizing free speech will follow”
… and if the American people choose it? So be it. I’ll get angry when they force ME to marry multiple people. If they don’t intrude upon my right to a heterosexual, Christian marriage, then that’s that. If the government criminalizes blasphemy, then I’ll be happy to fight against that… because it’s not a conservative position. You can’t call yourself a conservative if you use big government to force people to your morals, no matter which morals you ascribe to.
Though frankly, I highly doubt polygamy would be “the next step.” For one thing, it would infinitely complicate the collection of taxes (who is the head of the household? How is property allocated? Do only biological parents receive tax breaks?)… and if there’s one thing the government hates, it’s losing out on taxes!
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pap pap
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 2:33pmI agree with Neiman1. It doesn’t upset a true conservatives values if someone wants to live with someone of the same sex.It is a matter of personal choice.The Democrats have everything said by any conservative on gay marriage and pro-life issues and they repeat it over and over again to steal away the real conservative principles of personal responsibility and economic freedom.
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TN
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 11:49amI have been beating this around for a few months now. I talk to a lot of people on the other side of the fence just to try and understand what they are saying and why they are saying it. A good percentage of the time it comes down to they just hate God and simply they feel that Republicans want to “control” them through policy that is driven from beliefs,
We can’t continue to ask people who don’t know Christ to act like they are saints – they will see that as controlling. We also have to understand that the majority of the people who call themselves Christians aren’t so they do not have a regenerated spirit or mind. The only thing that is going to save this country is if we have more true followers of Christ and that isn’t going to happen through the political channel it is going to be through evangelism.
That is it – if you are really concerned go share the gospel.
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Exrepublisheep
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 12:18pmIf, in talking to the other side, you come away with “they hate God”, you’re lost. People hate the way repubs USE God like a club to batter their enemies.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 1:17pmI actually agree with you Exrepublisheep. To be fair, lots of people hate how the Left screams and sneers and condescends to anybody who disagrees on even minute points with them. Dems and GOP both seem to hold a peculiar notion that their values systems are infallible and worthy of being forced on others and treat those who disagree as either heretics or racists/mysogynists/homophobes.
These kinds of antics address a body politic as a group of fools. Lots of decent people of all political beliefs don’t like being treated like idiots.
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TN
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 1:52pmExrepubisheep – Do you consider yourself a good person….
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encinom
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 3:45pmThe problem is, we are sick and tired of you ramming your book of myths down our thoughts. Fine you believe in the bible, that’s great, don’t force me or others to live by your religious beliefs.
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AvengerK
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 4:26pmWhen was the last time you were forced to believe in the bible ENCIMOM/MONICNE? You idiot..your kind shove their “tenets” down the nation’s throat everyday and they’ve done so for decades.
Look a school curriculums…California students have to recognize homosexual “contributions” to history…HIV comes to mind immediately..think that one’s on the list ENCIDIOT? Television shoves the liberal agenda down our throats day in day out. Try watching the Food Network and not see a tatted up , pierced up lesbian or a homosexual male at least once on one of their shows. The ratings for NBC’s “The new normal” were very luke warm..but guess what..they ordered a full season anyway.
The newsmedia is no longer objective, it’s an active arm of the democrat party and they’re not ashamed of it either. Candy Crowley of CNN actually had the audacity to fact check Mitt Romney (waving around a piece of paper as if she had the transcript before her) in her capacity as debate moderator and was wrong to boot. But that didnt’ matter because appearances matter to an uninformed electorate..and 60 million saw her “correct” Mitt Romney. Activist moderators now ENCIDIOT? Seriously? The DNC convention made a point of excluding God and Jerusalem from their platform until they realised it was bad for business and put it back to the sound of boos.
You mewling cretin….it’s YOUR kind that shoves it’s agenda down OUR throats relentlessly and has done so for decades.
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encinom
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 4:36pmPoor AvengerK, Mittens the liar gets caught lying and you are whining cause the truth won out. Boo Hoo Hoo, from Lyin’ Ryan to Mittens the GOP waged war on the truth.
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TheCalmOne
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 4:47pmDid they tell you that they ‘hate God’, or is that your interpretation? Do you see the problem here? Actually, you probably don’t.
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justangry
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 6:11pm@encinom, What’s the difference between having a book of myths shoved down our throats verses a f**ked up collectivist philosophy shoved down our throats. They both lead to tyranny.
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From Virginia
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 7:17pm@Sheep – No- he’s right. They DO hate God. It’s not like God’s rules are hard. They aren’t. We had a good civil society – people polite to one another and who looked after one another – before the dems started to attack our civil society.
Now we are a base nasty culture and not worth saving, in my opinion. Let it burn.
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Wisdom7
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:24am“The problem is, we are sick and tired of you ramming your book of myths down our thoughts. Fine you believe in the bible, that’s great, don’t force me or others to live by your religious beliefs.”
^Look point to one instance where this has actually happened. Did someone force you to pray to Jesus you crybaby? Did someone force you to do anything? What the real problem is and what you really hate are the core values of our society. Every society has them. Without them that society falls into chaos. You and your ilk want to set up your own that go against what our societal norms have been since the country was founded. You want to redefine everything to suit your perverse agenda and demonize everyone that doesn’t walk in lockstep to what you crybabies want. Therefore, you are forcing YOUR crap down our throats. To me you are nothing but a lost soul, an empty vessel, and a whining pathetic citizen who takes pleasure in causing strife.
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KidCharlemagne
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 11:49amYounger people are once again embracing the ideals of America’s Founding Fathers (and rejecting GOP socialism):
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Ron Paul’s Torchbearers
By Elizabeth Dwoskin on April 26, 2012
Karen Kwiatkowski, a Republican candidate for Congress in Virginia, rarely passes up an opportunity to scold Washington politicians about runaway defense spending, which she says is an egregious waste of taxpayer dollars that does little to make Americans safer. Halfway across the country, Tisha Casida, a Colorado Independent, says she’ll push to end the drug war and legalize marijuana if she’s elected to the House. In Florida, Calen Fretts, a Libertarian seeking to unseat a veteran Republican congressman, promises that if he’s elected he’ll begin working to abolish the U.S. Federal Reserve. “As people increase the size and scope of government,” Fretts says, “there’s got to be a few of us to resist it.”
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-04-25/ron-pauls-torchbearers
As Ron Paul has demonstrated time and time again, then when you attack people’s freedom then don’t be surprised at all if they begin resisting…
The young people in America understand this more than any other demographic group out there and freedom has become the common denominator amongst the youth of this country…..so when the Democrats and Republicans consistently argue over which one can redistribute wealth more efficiently, then this turns the young fol
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justangry
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 11:56amGreat article!
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cous1933
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 3:23pmI agree. Here’s another…
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/who-killed-rudy-giuliani/
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cous1933
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 3:29pmAnd another….
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/back-to-constitutional-conservatism/
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LetThereBeLight
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 11:48amWell, since no one is doing any sort of investigative journalism about the election being criminally stolen…. massive voter fraud… I guess this is how the furture of America will look like. There won’t be any more good ole honest elections. I suspected from the very beginning Obama, the criminal he is, would stop at nothing to further his agenda. He had our country’s heels dug into the one world system to allow for any sort of turning around. This election was doomed!. George Soros linked companies counting votes… It wasn’t about us not being conservative or not! This election seems to have been insanely robbed! But no one will even consider that. We DID our job. Overwhelmingly, we saw our country support Mitt Romney. Even though he wasn’t exactly the most perfect conservative. I don’t think we did anything. Now the media will try and spin this as to the conservatives being out of touch and we need to change our thinking. There are getting the narrative out. So when the next election is once again stolen.. They can say, see you keep thinking this is what America wants, but it doesn’t! They just lie, lie and continue to lie. Only to lead them one day, and no kidding, to the guilotine! People won’t wake up and fight against this. Deceived in a way is much too hard to describe. But I know Jesus will return someday and as it says every knee will bow, every tongue will confess. And guess what, that’s if you think you want to or not!
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justangry
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 11:55amDo you have any evidence? I mean there’s plenty of evidence out there on the primaries. You all didn’t seem to care about that. If they looked it up, you nominee would probably be in pokey and you’d still lose.
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ronin_6
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 11:55amYou are correct about the election being stolen. Its amazing how all through the Bush years you couldn’t find a dem that would deny voter fraud. Now if you mention those words you are considered a moron.
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sparkyrules
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 12:08pmGreat comments.The MSM are traitors and will face what is due in one way or the other.They are a dying breed in the long run.
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sparkyrules
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 12:17pm@Justangry
And all you do is bitch and moan about people exercising their rights and playing the cards we are dealt.The system is majorly flawed but I don’t see any solutions coming out of your written piehole.
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LetThereBeLight
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 12:29pmHe isn’t ruffling me. I am happy to answer his question. I have heard bits of things here and there to suggest there was a great deal of voter fraud going on. One man was interviewed saying (I think it was in Ohio) he saw bus loads of what appeared to be illegal aliens being brought in to vote. I’ve never seen bus loads to a polling station. IDK. Then comments all over about entering Romney’s name and it coming up Obama. Sounds crazy suspicous to me. Then, again we saw the New Black Panthers at polling places again. I don’t know if it would really make someone actually change their vote, but it seemed wrong none the less! And the fact that a George Soros company owns a company that counted the votes in 26 states. And it is up to the “Secretary of State” to call the election one way or another and guess who has a “Secretary of State” project? Yep good ole George. He too had a TON on this election. Do you think he would stand by and let it go? No way! That is my starting points to my suspicions. And I don’t get the Pokey comment.. Sorry to naive to understand that. :-/
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justangry
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 1:06pm@sparkyrules, I believe our fraud case is still in court. If you have evidence about the left stealing the election take them to court. I’m just saying, it would be like a thief taking someone to court that stole his ill gotten booty.
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TheCalmOne
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 4:44pmYou’ve answered the question with this insane rant. What the GOP needs to do is cut loose the conservative media who have fed you this tripe so long that you believe it. A deluded electorate out of touch with reality will never be represented at the highest levels.
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neiman1
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 11:48amA true Conservative doesn’t want government telling them what to do. This should include gays living with each other and people smoking pot if they want. If we believe in personal responsibility it much include personal freedom. Freedom includes adults being allowed to do things we don’t agree with. Drop the social agenda and restore freedom and fiscal sanity.
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Gratefultobeamerican
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 11:55amNo conservative cares whether gays live together.
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timeforarevolution
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 12:01pmI absolutely agree with this. Freedom for people to choose what they want to do with their own lives even if everyone doesn’t moral agree with it. If we do not drop the social issues and look at the bigger picture of possible economic collapse our country is going to fail under the never ending spending spree of the liberals.
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Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 12:13pmI think Jefferson said some thing like: If it neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg then what matter is it of mine?
Something like that.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 1:04pmAbsolutely agree. It’s a damned shame that it’s taken what may well be the end of the nation to drive this point home to a lot of conservatives.
Letting gays get on with life is not endorsing being gay. Leaving college kids alone to smoke a joint in their dorm room is not endorsing drug use. Freedom means people get to peacefully make choices that you may not like. If they aren’t hurting anybody but themselves, or their choice bothers your version of religion, that’s simply part of freedom and you’re going to have to learn to accept it, if you want others to respect your freedom.
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abefij
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 1:05pm” If it neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg then what matter is it of mine? ”
Or kills our children? If you don’t stand for something, you stand for nothing.
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Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 1:24pm“kills our children” ? Hyperbole much?
My children’s health and well being are up to me. I fail to see how two dudes shacking up or somebody toking a joint has a hill of beans as to the life/death of my children.
Grow up.
If everybody would focus on taking care of their own house as much as they did on fixing everyone else (both sides that is) then the world would be a better place. Quit worrying about what I smoke, eat, drink, etc. How much my kids eat or exercise. What kinds of TP i wipe my tush with or how much water is in my toilet or what lightbulbs I use or my carbon footprint etc. Seriously, it’s like I live with 300M Mrs. Kravitz’s.
Most importantly…when people fail because they made stupid decisions, let them fail. Life sucks, get a helmet. It could just be that the purpose of your life was to serve as a warning to others.
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justangry
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 1:25pm@abefij, He’s standing for freedom. That’s the best thing in the world to stand up for and the only thing worth fighting for.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 4:49pmIf it neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg then what matter is it of mine
If it only affects the individual – then it is certainly not the business of the federal government. I cant think of a single thing I can do as an individual that the government should be involved in (so long as it does not affect others, or property)
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Just_Us2
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 11:47amI thought the GOP had already abandon many of the positions they had on social issues. When they go left, they become Democrat Lite. Why vote for lite when you can have the real thing? How many RINOs have to be nominated before we understand this? My party has and continues to shift away from truth. No matter what you call it, abortion ends an innocent life, sneaking over the border makes you a criminal, two men will never produce a baby nor will two women and spending more than you make will get you earn causes poverty, not prosperity. There are fundamental truths in life that no amount of sugar coating will ever change as much as people wish it to be different. If America thinks they are in a reality show, then lets give them a full dose of reality and stop kicking this can down the road. If there’s a cliff ahead, step on the gas and see what kind of reality lies at the bottom.
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cowbob1979
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 11:46amThere are several reasons why Romney lost. These are mine and mine alone. I voted for him but from a 33 year old living in Ohio I could see why he lost. Romney was a sad excuse for a candidate. One must fight the lies vigorously that are being said. Much like Obama fought the truths said about him. there is no spine in the GOP except in a few pockets. I do believe the GOP must adapt its message to the generation that Obama has co-opted and that is the youth.
It is no secret why Colorado went the way it did, and that is the war on pot. I do not necessarily believe that all of the drugs that harm people be legalized or even pot for that matter but to me that is a state issue and they voted for it and that is a states rights issue in my opinion.
Too many conservatives get wrapped up in the morals of the past. I was raised under them and so were many of you, but because of the education system and parents who lack basic parental guidance in teaching their children morals and values, this is why we are in the fix we are. I hope one day many will see the path that they are on is wrong, but they don’t want to be told they will have to hit bottom on there own.
I would like everyone who believes in freedom to include all others beliefs and as a conservative I feel we do a bad job of that. This Country has become more secular but there is a belief in spirituality, God and Jesus. I am not saying throw away the belief you have, just see what you have in common with those who do
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cowbob1979
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 11:53ammany just don’t like churches and don’t like to see the preacher drive a fancy car or live in a fancy house when they take money based on a belief in walking in Jesus’s path.
Finally, We have to explain basic economic principles to adults, who are really children as a result from the education system. This means repeating it over and over again. The dems use Goebbels propaganda machine to spread lies we must counter with the truth on the economy. If said over and over again people well begin to believe it… limited Gov. grows the economy and decreasing tax rates creates more tax payers, which creates more revenue.
We must stay strong for the next four years, because it is going to get real tough.
I wrote this on red state but it fits perfect here too.
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Man-On-A-Mission
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 11:46amAs long as your party think they lost because hurricane Sandy……Liberal voters want free stuff…..the President out spent Romney….LOL……..and don’t understand…….we are free and do not want anyone….GOP or Dems telling us what to do with our bodies regarding women rights….the so called war on drugs…….privacy in our homes…….privacy on the internet…..all people that do not look like you are not as Patriotic….Obama is a Communist….Obama is a Socialist……Obama is not borin in this country……..Obama is an Islamist……LOL…stop trying to Govern from Religion….Politic and Religion do not mix.
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westtitus
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 12:05pmSo let’s just do what we want when we want and have no laws, anything goes so we don’t step on someones freedom. Sounds like the Romans or Greeks, won’t take too long to destroy ourselves. I say go for it since the people that call themselves Christians are too pansy to stand up for the truth. Killng souls, yes they have a soul just like you do, is not the answer to a more prosperous Nation. This generation and the next was raised without any moral compass and everyone wants to say we can’t step on anyones freedom like this is the problem. What a buch of crap. I don’t let my male dog go around and screw other male dogs and if humans are too stupid to know this is wrong then we have real problems. Hate the sin not the sinner, there is a diffference. I believe God has given up on this Nation and He has every right to since there is not justice or truth to be found anywhere.
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Exrepublisheep
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 12:05pmEverything wrong with the repubs is Obamas’ fault. Forget that “conservatism” is just a word used to attract voters. Forget that “family values” is the same, just an advertisement. It’s all the commie, illegal alien, muslim, murdering, bath house attending, constitution shredding, anti-Christ Obamas’ fault for using personal attacks to win. Oh, and freebies too. If it wasn’t for freebies repubs perfect party would have won, so no need to change the platform at all.
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Silversmith
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 11:43amPersonally I have always felt that social agendas are where parties go wrong. Policy should reflect security and safety for the nation and all of it’s citizens. Within that structure, the debate on social issues should be allowed to flourish. Social debate will never end as tastes change and the idea of what is right and wrong amend themselves. But providing a secure environment for that debate is really all government should be concerned with. When social policy threatens security – as it does today – the very real possibility of collapse exists. If it becomes reality, well, then it won’t really matter WHO you kiss in the morning when you wake up. You’ll have much more serious things to deal with.
Silversmith
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Gonzo
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 12:06pmRomney did not focus on Social issues though. The Dems with the help of two dumb as dirt R’s and the MSM brought social issues into it. When asked point blank about your stance on abortion etc., you have to answer the question. People know you may be in charge of appointing judges to the S.C. I honestly think these narrow election results were the product of people not knowing or maybe not wanting to think about the real probability of a total failure of our financial system. It was easier and more comfortable to believe in the “everything is getting better” crap coming from the left.
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AvengerK
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 2:02pmGONZO…is it any wonder that the conservative message is poisoned to these people before it even reaches them when all they’ve had drummed into their heads by they teachers and by the media is
Conservatives only care about rich people..they don’t like minorities…they hate gays…government is there to help you….government creates jobs….government has unlmiited funds because it can keep on taxing rich people….etc?
Fix the schools and erode liberal influence in the media and then you can get the message out to open minds not closed ones. The liberals have worked at this for decades while we let them get away with it.
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AvengerK
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 2:10pmGONZO…it was an uninformed electorate that voted Obama back in. The media has covered for him, protected him and attacked his opponents for four years. In 2010 it was the “obstructionist” GOP house not getting things done…while Harry Reid and the democrats didn’t even pass a budget and it remained this way until Romney got the nod. The uninformed voter didn’t know this stuff.
Ask 100 people about Benghazi 70 of them will shrug and tell you “huh?”, 20 will pretend they know about and don’t know anything..and the rest will either care or not care.
Ask them what the deficit is they’ll shrug..but ask them if Republicans want to limit abortions and they all know about it. You see what’s taking place here? Only the liberal mesage is getting out.
Schools and the media are the key…not introspection.
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Gonzo
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 2:22pmAk, I feel your pain brother, but we’ve been talking about fixing schools for 40 years. Parents have to raise their kids and instill values in them that a school teacher can’t take away. My parents did it, I bet yours did too, and we’ve both done it with our kids. Millions of parents over the last 30 years have decided to be friends with their kids and instead of parents. Now I know what you’re thinking “OK genius, how do we fix parents?” I wish I could tell you buddy, but I can’t. I can tell you that unless we do, things get worse.
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Gonzo
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 2:27pmHeck AK, it’s worse than that, half of them think George Washington (and the rest of the founders) was an evil man! Once again I say it goes back to parents not teaching their kids.
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politicianssuck
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 11:42amSure, Lets put up rhinos as conservatives. Then every time we lose we can blame it on conservatism. Thats the way to go!
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cvs334
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 11:51amjust because you agree with abortion rights does not make a person a rhino … (technically rino) … how about doing it Reagan’s way, abortion should be legal and rare! You can be “pro-life” and accept the need to legal abortions, since the real intent of the law was to stop dangerous back alley ones!
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Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 12:15pmWhy should we care about back alley ones? I mean if it is your body and your choice and you chose to go to a back alley with a coat hanger and bleed out….why should I care again? Isn’t that choice too?
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Nancys Red Diaper Doper Babies
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 12:29pmSocial conservatives are are really conservatives in name only.
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politicianssuck
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 7:46pmAbortion? Who the heck was talking about abortion? Romney was not a true conservative. Does Romney care ring any bells?
Plus where did the idea come from that a woman having an abortion was an issue of what she can do to her body? She is trashing anothers body, not hers. I dont blame them when it involves rape or insest. But if she’s too dumb to close her legs or use protection thats her problem not the childs.
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riseandshine
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 11:42amEmbrace the Constitution….everything else will take care of itself.
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justangry
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 1:23pmThat’s it. All the social issues are a 10th amendment breach.
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Konservative PUNK
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 11:42amSocial Conservatives need to abandon the GOP.
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inblack
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 11:47amThere are not votes in any sub group of conservatives to to win elections if they break off.
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Just_Us2
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 11:49amAfter this election, its clear that we have.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 1:14pmIt’s not about social conservatism. It’s about offering up an east coast Liberal and trying to pass him off as a “conservative” which was clearly foolish and everybody knows it.
Social issues are a thorn in the side for the GOP. Not all of them, but most of them are. Stop the WOD, stop sneering at gays, stop with the constant call for controlling what people peacefully do on their own that you may not agree with morally.
And stop offering up fiscal liberals and trying to convince us they’re fiscal conservatives. We’re not stupid out here in flyover country.
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Ex_marine_dude_8313
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 3:54pmI have. Romney is a lefty, it’s just under the surface. God is making us pay for our sin of nominating a Moron (oops, I mean Mormon) by giving us 4 more years of Obama.
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sparkyrules
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 11:42amI managed to sign 2 people on to the Blaze TV as regular subscribers this last month,using my facebook page.Another half dozen are trying out the 14 day free trial.I encourage everybody to promote the Blaze.Glen and his crew do a fine job running this site.Lets show the Huffington/Puffington how its done.
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jonarata
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 11:40amNo – but what they need to do is to stop, for Heaven’s sake, talking about the “impossible” (like banning abortion in ALL cases, including rape – or even talking about “rape” at all) before they’ve even made significant headway on the low-hanging-fruit (like banning infanticide – i.e. partial-birth abortion – and protecting abortion survivors).
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inblack
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 11:40amI will NEVER vote pro-choice, ever, period.
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Nancys Red Diaper Doper Babies
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 11:57amAnd for the vast majority of pro-choicers they will never be pro-life. It’s a losing battle. Why not let God sort them out?
The Republican platform for abortion should be the following: We don’t support abortion but we also don’t support the Government dictating your choice. While we allow women to make their choice as they see fit we do not support having tax dollars fund abortions.
If you’re a true conservative you shouldn’t be supporting the Government’s interefernce on abortion. Simply take peace that those who are robbed of live will have a place in heaven while those making those choice to rob them will not.
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timeforarevolution
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 12:10pmI have a very hard time with this. But I think that NANCY is correct. I am adamantly against abortion on a personal and moral level. But I think that there’s not much we can do at this point. God will be the judge of these people. It does seem wrong on some level though. Because our government is supposed to protect life. Especially the defenseless. Its hard but I think its a losing battle for government to continue this fight. But I absolutely do not think that any tax dollars should be funding abortions ever!
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inblack
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 12:30pmI view this simply – that abortion is the equivalent of the Holocaust.
If you stand by and let it happen you are immoral.
How far should you go to save innocent lives? I don’t know, but never voting pro-choice is my absolute minimum.
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justangry
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 1:33pm@inblack, I personally agree, as does my pro-choice mother. She just doesn’t think it’s an issue for the government to get involved with and I agree. The issue is how to enforce with without violating the 4th amendment / a woman’s right to privacy? All crimes, including murder, are left to the states to enforce.(or at least are supposed to) A state banning abortion isn’t unconstitutional per say, but enforcing that ban would certainly be a 4th amendment issue. Are you suggest we have hymen inspections like the middle east, or have armed brutes raid doctors’ offices? I believe it’s an issue we have to win with ideas not laws.
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Danny78
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 2:04pmAllow the government the power to force women to have a baby and they will also have the power to force them not to.
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travlman77
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 11:39amMy question is, Isn’t it time for us Social Conservatives to abandon the GOP completely for the TEA party?
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Eastinfection
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 12:07pmThe Tea Party was never supposed to be about social conservatism. It was about Liberty.
It is now socially conservative because it was high-jacked by the religious right…. so go ahead… finish your theft and perversion of the movement.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 1:14pmabandon the republican party and reform the election system to allow for multiple parties. I would support you on that principle alone
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 1:34pmEast is correct. The Tea Party was first and foremost about fiscal responsibility and had a very large number of living, breathing Libertarians in it who were showing up, organizing and helping sponsor meetings. Social conservatism was never a focal point of any tea party gathering I’ve been too. Even the name Tea originally means “Taxed Enough Already”.
I have no issue with the abortion debate and I understand why people are on both sides of that debate. And people hold pro-life/pro-choice regardless of party affiliation, so clearly it’s a valid position for any party to hold either way, don’t listen to the leftists telling you to abandon it, they would like nothing more than for you to cave.
However, the other “social issues” are killing the GOP. They really need to get their heads out of our bedrooms, out of our front rooms if some random guy decides to smoke a joint and watch television, and stop with the Homeland Security authoritarian state crap.
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justangry
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 1:43pmNo it isn’t time for social conservatives to leave. You fight what you can politically. Fiscal and constitutional conservatism. Fight social issues culturally, with your church, words, pictures, ideas etc..
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ResistSocialism
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 11:39amThe least amount of government needed is always going to be the best government. Think conservative libertarian. Sell it to the masses young, white, brown, whoever. Why? because that is the truth!
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timeforarevolution
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 12:22pmMore of us need to start thinking like this. The conservatives aren’t attracting young voters. Government should not dictate our choices in life. Freedom! Thats what its all about.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 1:40pmThe both of you are absolutely correct. Though there is no such thing as “conservative” libertarianism. You can hold a 100% Conservative value system, and be a libertarian, or a 100% Left value system, and be a libertarian. Being libertarian means that no matter your value system, you won’t go out and start clamoring for laws to fit it. You have a minimum framework of laws that address real societal concerns (violent crime, fraud, property issues, etc), but otherwise you leave people the hell alone. You can happily be a conservative or leftist under that system, you just have to learn to live and let live. Libertarianism is nothing more than the notion that using violence to uphold your views instead of persuasion, is wrong.
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Gonzo
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 11:37amLet’s give up on fiscal conservatism and get in a bidding war with Democrats over freebies while we’re at it. Yea, that’s the ticket.
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The_Jerk
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 11:47amOnce you surrender your principles, you’ve become the opposition. Why not do an Arlen Specter and join the Democrats?
It’s not the conservative principles. It’s the people that we send to sell those principles. The GOP selects middle-of-the-road, wishy washy, half-conservative candidates to do its bidding. The Democrats send hard core, true believing, communists. They are more believable and honest, the GOP, not so.
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Exrepublisheep
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 11:49amAs long as repubs blame “freebies” for their loss they will continue to lose.
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Popp40
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 11:52am@ Gonzo…you make a great point and whoever offers the most freebies will always win. This election was a perfect example, the Democrats were able to play Santa Claus and people fell for it. At this point you can’t beat someone who is offering to take care of you from cradle to grave. The liberal establishment has managed to dumb down Americans and have managed to get enough immigrants (both illegal and illegal) into this country with free handouts that this is the norm now.
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Gonzo
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 11:54amI agree Jerk. As much as I did want Romney over Obama, I didn’t vote Romney in the primary. There was a very weak Republican group to choose from. For as much hand wringing that is going on, we still only lost by 2% of the vote. This is not a total wipe out as the MSM wants us to believe.
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Locked
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 11:37am“Is it time for the Republican Party to abandon social conservatism?”
Entirely? No. Social issues will always be important to people.
As the focus at a federal level? Yes. Focus on fiscal issues, and keep the government out of the personal lives of people… you know, be SMALL government. Right now the GOP is just the Pepsi to the Democratic Coke: you still get big government, but a slightly different social flavor. I’d like to forego the chemicals and artifical sweeteners and have a nice tall glass of water: small government, focused on the future economic viability of our country, which lets the PEOPLE decide what social issues matter to them.
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Southerner01
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 11:41amSounds good to me!
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ResistSocialism
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 11:41amExactly
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Gonzo
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 11:45amThe Republican Party didn’t focus on social issues, the Democrats did…and it worked.
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Locked
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 1:05pm@Gonzo
“The Republican Party didn’t focus on social issues, the Democrats did…and it worked.”
The Republican Party SHOULD have only focused on the election… but it would be a complete falsity to say they didn’t have a good portion of their campaign on social issues. Personhood amendment? All the comments about abortion stances and rape? A plank that would ban not only gay marriage, but civil unions as well? Self-deportation? Social issues were alive and well in the GOP this election cycle.
You’re absolutely right about the Democratics focusing on social issues… and the only reason it worked was because the GOP played right into their hands. The Democrats didn’t have a leg to stand on when it came to the economy so they tried to make the fight about social issues. And social conservatives were happy to respond… and that shifted the focus away from our fiscal issues, and threw the election. If the GOP has taken a firm stance and just said “It’s up to the people to decide, not us politicians”… well, then it wouldn’t be the Republican party we have today, and we likely would have won!
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Gonzo
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 2:06pmLocked, I’m not saying social issues didn’t come up or weren’t an issue. Romney ran on the economy and the left (and MSM) kept bringing up the social issues. Remember the early primary debate when Stephanopolis asked Mitt if he would be in favor of outlawing contraception? The two idiots Mourock and Aikin were also just answering questions asked by leftist journalists. They certainly should have had better answers, but they had to answer. Even those two numbskulls tried to run on fiscal issues. If you are against abortion etc. they are going to ask and you’re going to have to answer and they will use it against us if they can. I don’t think social issues sunk this election (by 2%) I think weak candidates did. Were you wild about Romney? We didn’t have what I consider a good candidate to choose this time. I know the R.P. guys think he was it, but I’m pretty sure he would have lost by more than 2%!
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Locked
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 2:32pm@Gonzo
“If you are against abortion etc. they are going to ask and you’re going to have to answer and they will use it against us if they can.”
Agreed, which is why the best answer is the conservative one: “I am against/for issue XYZ personally, but it is up to the people, not politicians like me, to decide social issues.” NO candidate for the GOP said that. That’s a problem, because I personally don’t want a big government enforcing any morality… even if it’s a position I personally agree with.
“I don’t think social issues sunk this election (by 2%)”
I think they certainly had an effect. I know I’m not alone in thinking that, judging by the comments we can read here… and heck, by the topic of the article itself!
“Were you wild about Romney? We didn’t have what I consider a good candidate to choose this time.”
Ugh, you should know I thought Romney was a lousy candidate. Goodness knows I complained about it countless times on here! But it was more than just a lousy candidate. ANY of the candidate choices were bad (as you mentioned). Ron Paul, IMO, was the best of the pack… but the GOP itself, as said, made social issues a main point of the election. Any conservative candidate would lose with those goals, because the goals were not conservative in nature!
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themachinist239
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 3:30pm” If you are against abortion etc. they are going to ask and you’re going to have to answer and they will use it against us if they can.”
Gonzo, so when the MSM asks a politician their views on something and that candidate gives a truthful answer, and when the voters respond in a way that rejects said view, it’s the MSM’s fault? Anything any politician says is fair game. Akin, Broun, Mourdock, etc. all were screwed by their own doing. Damn right “you’re gonna have to answer” their questions. The people want to know their opinions on these things. This is a clear example of blaming inconvenient questions on the press and not on the candidate. Would a conservative mediaperson asking the same question make you less vitriolic?
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AvengerK
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 4:08pmGONZO…was it time to abandon social conservativism after the 2010 midterms that saw the biggest sweep of the house by the GOP in 70 years? Or Scott Brown take Ted Kennedy’s seat in the senate?
We’re being a little too self flagellating here. Certainly one has to acknowledge a few realities like how most of Florida is “red” yet the blue pockets can overturn that. But let’s not underestimate the protections and elevating Obama has received from the media consistently for four years.
As I said..ask someone not watching outlets like Fox or the Blaze what the deficit is and why it’s vital we reduce it..and they’ll shrug their shoulders. But ask them what Republicans think of abortion and you get answers immediately..and not complimentary ones. The left does this consistently..distracts.
Why did we get the results we did in 2010? The tea party’s ground game and the left’s obsession with destroying the tea party. The tea party put taxes and spending into the news. Sure the tea party candidates lost this time..but more moderates lost this time. Tea parties laid low thinking the public had got the message but you know the ADD electorate as well as I do…they forgot thanks in no small part to the protections, obfuscations, ommissions and attacks the media did for Obama for four years. Seriously..Candy Crowley fact checked (and was wrong no less) Mitt Romney in her capacity as debate moderator and she still has a job at CNN..seriously? But 60million pe
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Locked
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 10:13pm@Avengerk
“Or Scott Brown take Ted Kennedy’s seat in the senate?”
… you do realize that Scott Brown just lost his seat, right? Not sure if that’s the example you want to choose right now.
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Metallicat
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 11:36amI was thinking this earlier,but then I remembered that I dont want to fund abortion or illegal aliens.
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kickagrandma
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 11:44amI don’t want to fund democrats either!
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justangry
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 6:04pmI don’t want to pay for anything not authorized by the Constitution either, but let me ask you this. Are you fine paying for the DEA to break down people’s doors, the court costs and room and board for prisoners that use drugs? I mean that’s every bit as progressive as the lefty social programs, no?
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justangry
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 11:33amWell considering it’s a progressive movement… Duh!
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SonOfThunder
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 11:32amif you abandon social issues you abandon us conservative evangelicals which is your base. You won’t win another election. Next time you might want to put a evangelical conservative as your candidate.
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Popp40
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 11:40amContinue to take God out of government and the government becomes God for the people….
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Southerner01
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 11:40amBut then you lose the fiscal conservatives like me.
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Coded-Dude
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 11:44amSo…..would you vote third party or Democrat if the Republican party platform gave up on the anti-gay, anti-abortion issues? This is one question that has always intrigued me. Who would the evangelicals choose if they felt both parties abandoned the social issues that are important to them. /just curious
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justangry
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 11:53am@SonOfThunder, Good riddance. It’s not only a losing platform as we just witnessed, it’s a progressive platform that’s immoral, theft and unconstitutional.
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kaydeebeau
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 12:08pmabandon the social issues and you may as well be democrats – the social ills are directly responsible for the economic ills – the Human life instruction book (Bible) makes it very clear that living and believing according to God’s design makes prosperous and civilized people – forgetting those principles leads to economic peril
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inblack
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 12:19pmI agree – the bible says:
“Enact a government where you force people to not sin and live morally. There is no free will and there is no responsibility to win over their hearts, just force them to be moral or throw them in jail.”
An who is a better, fairer, flawless and sinless group to do this than evangelicals?
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Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 12:20pmSeriously, you all need to stop. WHAT IS THE ROLE OF GOVERNMENT!?!?!?!
Answer that question and then really reconcile the whole social platform. Why can’t either side be content with leaving me alone? One side says you can’t do drugs. The side that says that’s wrong says I can’t get a 32 oz coke or buy trans fat. One side says two dudes can’t get married. The side that chastises them tells me what kind of light bulbs I can buy and how to flush my toilet.
To be honest, you collectivist, fascist, totalitarian jerks all deserve each other.
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Eastinfection
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 12:37pm“An who is a better, fairer, flawless and sinless group to do this than evangelicals?”……
Wow…
.. and i thought Liberals were the elitists.
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resme
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 12:54pmNot really, GOP = Democrats. God doesn’t force people to believe the bible and accept Jesus Christ. If you let people have free will and make their own choices morality would return.
Like Roth said; What’s the role of the government?
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resme
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 12:57pm““An who is a better, fairer, flawless and sinless group to do this than evangelicals?”……”
LOL, We have had “flawless” Christians in office for decades now.. How has that turned out?
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inblack
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 1:18pmReally?
Did two people take this “An[d] who is a better, fairer, flawless and sinless group to do this than evangelicals?”……” as a serious statement? Any evangelical knows they are not flawless or sinless.
My point is that God did not ask us to enforce morality though the govt.
However the declaration of independence does state that the government exists for the purpose of ensuring the right to life and liberty.
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justangry
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 4:23pm@kaydeebeau, No, we come together on fiscal and constitutional conservatism at the federal level and you can pitch social conservatism at the state and local levels as it was intended. If social issues are important enough to be federalized amend the constitution instead of twisting its intent. That’s what progressives do.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 4:53pm“abandon the social issues and you may as well be democrats”
That is true only of social conservatives….
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NewLife56
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 11:30amIs It Time for the GOP to Abandon Social Conservatism?
A man that caves in and gives up his pricipals is a coward. Don’t cave in, double down on what is right.
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Bluebonnet
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 11:51amTo abandon most social issues, we might as well end it right now, because we’ll all be going to Hell.
To abandon most social issues is giving Satan the keys to the Kingdom.
To abandon most social issues is the same as to abandon My Lord & Savior and stop believing in HIM.
I believe in Our One and only true God and can never believe what many socialists believe in.
Please, in Jesus Name, save us from what our Nation has become.
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justangry
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 11:58amDon’t give up your principles, just don’t ask the federal government to force your principles on everyone else. That’s progressive / collectivist BS.
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inblack
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 12:16pmThere is only on social issue that I want to force on people and this is protecting the unborn.
I don’t care what else someone does if it does not hurt me or murder someone.
You can preach all you want to people, but legislating morality is coercion.
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Eastinfection
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 12:31pmNo offense INBLACK…
but that sounds a little hypocritical…
Coersion is ok if it’s the specific issue you care the most about?
Why can’t conservatism focus politically on the message of making social issues a state’s decision rather than federal policy?… Candidates should not be stumping on a pro-life/ pro-choice platform…
they should simply campaign for state’s rights.
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inblack
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 1:10pm@EASTINFECTION – no offense taken.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men…
I do not think that the right to life is a personal issue. If the federal govt can outlaw kidnapping and slavery to uphold our second right of liberty then they can enact law to protect our first right – life.
Could the states do it as well – sure. But I agree, the fact that the federal govt prevents the states from protecting life is unconstitutional and until that tyranny is over-turned your point is moot.
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justangry
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 1:37pmInblack, I agree with you personally, but think it’s a war of ideas not laws we have to win. See above .
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NYRightwinger
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 4:26pmBlueBonnet, I couldn’t have said it any better. I would rather lose every election until the day I die than compromise my (God’s) values. The most dissapointing thing about this election is seeing those who with one hand will quote scripture and then use their other hand to pull the lever for a president who is Planned Parenthood’s best friend and an enemy of the sacred institution of marriage. I think of how the Apostle Paul addressed the Galatians with “3 You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you?…..After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?”. I believe we are headed for present day Europe where God has been thrown out almost completely. I pray that our country will see the light before God just gives up on us.
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justangry
Posted on November 9, 2012 at 6:21pm@NYRightwinger, Why can’t you just live your own life based on your religious beliefs instead of wanting to have the federal government force your beliefs on everyone else against the Constitution? And how is that any different than Muslim extremists?
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Pontiaku
Posted on November 10, 2012 at 12:52am[Obama won over 50 percent of the nation and Romney resonated with 48 percent of voters.]
By resonated I think they must mean “hold my nose to cast a vote against Obama.”
@inblack
1. How many children have you adopted?
2. Am I allowed to disconnect a brain dead relative from life support?
3. Is a woman allowed to disconnect a fetus with no or little neurological activity from her body?
The answer is the same as #2.
Abortion isn’t a black and white issue. It may be living tissue but it is not a human “being” until higher neurological activity develops. Stop killing fiscal conservatives off with your bronze age mythology. You will never stop abortion. EVER. You can only reduce it. And the way you do that is with education, jobs, and a strong economy.
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