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Bill Kristol: ‘It Won’t Kill the Country if We Raise Taxes a Little Bit on Millionaires’
Weekly Standard editor and conservative commentator Bill Kristol said Sunday it “won’t kill the country” to raise taxes on millionaires, a standoff issue between Democrats and Republicans.
Kristol said on “Fox News Sunday” that it’s not a matter of the Republican Party becoming more moderate, but approaching issues on an individual basis: “The answers on some issues is to have fresh thinking and other issues to be more conservative.”
“The leadership of the Republican Party and the leadership of the conservative movement has to pull back, let people float new ideas. Let’s have a serious debate,” Kristol said. “Don’t scream and yell if one person says ‘You know what? It won’t kill the country if we raise taxes a little bit on millionaires.’ It really won’t, I don’t think.”
President Barack Obama made increasing taxes on those making more than $250,000 a year a signature part of his re-election campaign. House Speaker John Boehner said Wednesday that House Republicans would be “willing to accept new revenue, under the right conditions.”
“I don’t really understand why Republicans don’t take Obama’s offer to freeze taxes for everyone below $250,000, make it $500,000, make it $1 million,” Kristol continued. “Really? The Republican Party is going to fall on its sword to defend a bunch of millionaires, half of whom voted Democratic and half of whom live in Hollywood and are hostile to Republican principles?”
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spickard2101
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:31pmAll Americans should be treated the same and not singled out on class warfare. I would rather that tax rates stay the same for now and tax deductions be phased out for specific high income earners. Anyone that goes along wit Obama’s class warfare is seriously close to being a Socialist too.
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ModerationIsBest
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:52pmThe problem is that the Republicans aren’t focusing on the economy enough.
Instead of caring solely about our fiscal house you have candidates like Bachman, Santorum and heck even Romney trying to force their social and religious views on everybody else.
If you continue to tie gay marriage, abortion and other social views to your fiscal views, you will continue to lose.
How can you argue for liberty, while trying to stop two consenting adults from marrying one another?
How can you argue for smaller government, when you want the government to monitor every pregnancy in the United States?
The best thing for Republicans would to be embrace gay marriage and say that while you don’t personally agree with it(due to religious views or whatever), you also feel that you aren’t Constitutionally right in outlawing it.
Instead of trying to stop every abortion, say you are pro life and pro choice and that there has to be some common ground between outlawing every abortion and allowing abortion for any reason at any time.
There are middle grounds to these issues and we can figure them out together.
But if you keep arguing for a Republic, while trying to vote in candidates who want a Theocracy, you will continue to lose.
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HKS
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:58pmI personally could care less if a billionaire has to may more tax, but if you think that’s all there is to it, your dumber than you look.
“Remember Benghazi”
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Lloyd Drako
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 1:09pmIf you phase out deductions for high income earners, how is that not class warfare?
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Nlitend1
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 1:28pmSimply by asking that question, you are participating in class warfare. Maybe you want a flat tax? How about a true flat tax, that everyone pay the same amount of taxes, not just the same rate? That is equality! Right? We won’t have a military or roads, but it will be fair…good plan
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ModerationIsBest
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 1:29pm@2MINUTESTOMIDNIGHT
You don’t understand.
Focus on the economy and take positions of true liberty.
While Romney talked about the economy, he still took extreme positions on social issues.
My stance isn’t one of “have extreme social views, just don’t talk about them” it’s more about not having extreme social views and focusing on the economy.
Stop caring about two consenting adults wanting to marry.
Care solely about the fiscal issues.
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Marine25
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 1:30pm@moderation
Great commentary. Smart, reasonable, conservative really. It won’t happen. Too much of the GOP base doesn’t believe in reality. Republicans have won the popular vote once since 1988, and they think their best strategy is more of the same.
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flyoverbob
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 1:32pmThe dems lie cheat cover up and steal an election so we are suppose to just submit and become one party.It’s ok for them to take the other guy’s money,when they want more money you will be the other guy
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Jim S
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 1:33pmWe have spent/are spending approx 40% more than we make AND have $16T on credit which is $3-4 billion a DAY in interest alone. We need at cut 1/4 to 1/3 of Federal spending AND raise taxes on ALL taxable incomes. We need to stop the bleeding and then attack the debt on the books this takes cuts AND revenue. If you think we can do so without more taxes you cannot add, if you think taxing the rich will solve it you also cannot add OR subtract. We need to stop being an Empire around the world, it has NEVER worked long term..cuts in the military/foreign aid etc MUST be done…the bit of pain now will be better than the pain if we do nothing. It’s not a D or R problem, we ALL go broke. If we can’t, then PLEASE drive off the cliff, that starts a solution better than nothing.
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Look4DBigPicture
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 1:34pmHow bout we impose a 95% tax on billionaires who want a New World Order such as George Soros, Warren Buffett, and Bill Gates? That oughta put an end to a big chunk of our problems.
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hypnos
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 1:43pmYes it will kill a little bit at time Bill. You have the bad math disease like Obama 250,000 < 1,000,000
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U.N.hater
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 1:45pmThe answer is simple. Stop paying taxes….But that’s just to damn easy huh….
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BreeZee
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 2:04pmFor one thing kristol is an idiot and if I was a millionaire I would get all my buddies and close their businesses down and take a long vacation.
I agree with this other than legislation that deals with the US Sovereingty, the US Constitution and judge appointees
Changing Demographics? More Like Enduring Ignorance
By Arnold Ahlert · November 9, 2012
EXCERPT from the article:
As a result, I have a suggestion for the Republicans, one they won’t hear from anyone else: give Barry and Company everything they want, without an iota of resistance. Let ‘em raise taxes and the debt ceiling, gut the military, and run up trillions of dollars of additional deficits and debt. Then stand back, and let an utterly corrupt media chronicle the demise — without being able to pin an ounce of the ensuing socialist catastrophe on an “obstructionist” GOP.
Harry Reid wants to end the filibuster? Tell him it won’t be necessary. For the next four years, Republicans will do what a certain Senator from Illinois made a career of doing: they will simply vote “present” on every bill put before them in both houses of Congress. In effect, give Democrats they same unassailable majority they had in 2008 — the same one that led directly to the passage of ObamaCare.
Radical? Compared to what? Watching a president get re-elected, despite four major scandals, the worst recovery on record, and the explosion of entitlements — all of which was blamed on the aforementioned Republica
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2MINUTESTOMIDNIGHT
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 2:11pmtest
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Ashes2Ashes
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 2:13pmAbsolutely agree with Moderation. It’s the Republicans’ desire to push their religious views down everyone’s throats that keeps me an Independent, although I typically vote for Republicans because the issues I agree with them on are more important than the ones I disagree with them on. I know several people who voted for Obama this time around (in NC) due to social issues. I happen to think they’re ignorant and their priorities are screwed up. I’ll choose the USA over the USSA even if the USSA comes with things like gay marriage, but I’d prefer to have the USA and gay marriage.
Republicans are not the party of small federal government. Small government means keep your nose out of Americans’ private affairs. Personal freedom doesn’t just mean the freedom to do anything you would do. Sometimes people will choose to use their personal freedom in ways you wouldn’t. And guess what? You have to support their right to do so. ‘Cause if you don’t, then you’re chipping away at your personal freedom, as well.
If only the Libertarians were a viable party. Unfortunately, they’re not, and I disagree with some of their positions. What we need is a third party that is fiscally conservative, for a free market economy and strong national defense, and TRUE personal freedom.
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vtxphantom
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 2:19pmThis is just death by a thousand cuts. Take some taxes from here, a little bit there. This is money that is all coming from the private sector. We have a better use for that money than the government does.
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TH777
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 2:21pm@moderationisbest: One problem with your scenario. The democrats want it all. Where is the freedom of religious beliefs when obama is forcing every religious medical institution and every doctor who is against abortion to “perform” them? That is the biggest fight I think Republicans had towards the abortion issue. I know it was mine.
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American Soldier (Separated)
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 2:26pmIt’s not about defending millionaires or billionaires. It’s about the concept that what we earn is ours to do what we deem necessary. There should be no taxes on income, none for the rich or for the poor. The concept of taxing ones income, and the subsequent discussion on whether to raise or lower it, implies that the government OWNS your income, your means of making a living, and is just gracious enough to give you back a portion of it that they determine.
Government doesn’t own me nor do they own my means of production!
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oldguy77
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 2:28pmOnly in America can a fatherless boy go to the finest schools we have,graduate and become a community organizer,run for political office,and become a multi millionare,and do all this without working a job.What a wonderfull country.
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BelowAverageJoe
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 2:38pm@MODERATIONISBEST You must realize that a very large majority of African-Americans and Latinos are very “extreme” in their social beliefs toward the issue of gay marriage. The fact that they completely and overwhelmingly voted for Obama refutes your idea that this is the reason the Republican didn’t win. They clearly did not vote on these social issues. What they did vote for is free stuff from the government. Take away the give-aways and you take away the Democratic party.
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ModerationIsBest
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 2:40pm@TH777
That’s a fake argument because I’ve never heard of anybody being “forced” to give an abortion.
There are places you can work at that don’t perform abortions.
I had a friend who worked at a group home and one of the teenage children there needed to go get the morning after pill. My friend refused to drive her because of her religious views on the morning after pill.
Lucky for her, there was another worker there that drove the teenager there so there was no potential problem.
What my friend didn’t realize is that it wasn’t her job to force her religious beliefs on the children there. Just because you’re against something, doesn’t mean you have the right to stop me from doing it and if you’re going to work at a job that puts you in those situations you can either learn to live with it, or find a new career.
Again, it’s people wanting to force their religious views on others and then claim “religious freedom” because they aren’t allowed to.
With the claim of “religious freedom” ANYTHING is permissible.
You have people who refuse to get their children medical attention and they die because it’s against their “beliefs.” Does that fall under “religious freedom” for you?
What about the Catholic church fighting against the law where they are to report child molesters who confess to the police? Is that “religious freedom”
What will you allow in the name of religious freedom?
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colt1860
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 2:41pmUm, Mr. President, people that make $250,000 are not millionaires or filthy “rich”. The dollar is losing its value, gas prices are rising, food is more expensive, wages are staying the same, business aren’t hiring, business regulations are very restrictive, taxes are already high… What the hell, Mr. President, do you think you’re doing? People who voted for you are deluded. We don’t have a problem with revenue, we have a problem with spending too dang much! And, how the hell does forcing companies to pay for birth control pills help the economy? And what the hell does birth control pills have to do with Government? Our Pledge states “liberty and justice for all”, not “free cheese and free pills” for all.
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colt1860
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 2:50pmHa. Liberals whining that the Republicans are the ones worried about social issues? LAMO! Lets get something straight, ITS THE FREAKING LIBERALS who are introducing legislation about sodomy marriages, free birth control pills, funding of abortion clinics, etc. in the middle of economic turmoil! It’s the freaking Liberals who made this election about everything but the economy.
Liberals want THEIR free speech to demand “gay” rights, and don’t want Conservative to exercise their free speech? WTH? Like I’ve said, Liberals are hypocrites, liars and ALWAYS hold a double standard. Liberals can protest in the streets, have parades, demand their candidates to support gays, and make elections about homosexuality, but Conservatives CAN’T say a word about it? LMAO! Liberals are delusional.
How can you argue for liberty, while trying to stop two consenting adults from marrying one another?
Alright, so let’s allow an adult father to marry his consenting adult son if they’re both in love. Are gays against that? Who decides, society or natural law? If society, then you don’t have a natural right, only what the majority wishes. If natural law, then it doesn’t matter what society says, they can’t violate that right. Then again, Nature’s God made us male and female for a reason. So how can gays claim a right that doesn’t exist? Only one man and one women can become one flesh, according to nature.
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turkey13
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 3:03pmRemember Mark Rich who skipped out of the country oweing the IRS 33 million bucks. Untill Bill Clinton pardoned him and the 33 Million bucks he stayed away, but now lives here living happely ever after. You hit him with taxes and all these rich folks again & they will just skip out to some country that has a leader like Clinton that can be bought off. Last I heard, Opery hired someone to track how much time she spends in her $ 10 million home in California – because if she spends more than 6 months in it she has to pay property taxes.
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ModerationIsBest
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 3:04pm@BELOWAVERAGEJOE
Keep thinking that and keep losing.
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resme
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 3:15pm@moderation, Republicans don’t even believe in “fiscal” issues. It’s all give me the power, Please, I swear I won’t use it like the Democrats, I SWEAR.
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Quagmir
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 3:15pmModeraton- I think I get it now. It is not ok to stand up for your religious beliefs but it is ok to stand up for your lack of them. Freedom from religion not freedom of religion. They have been misprinting this for to long now.
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HumbleMan
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 3:19pmMODERATIONIST, I’ve never heard such foolish arguments in my life.
The freedom you fail to understand is my freedom to NOT participate in an act I believe to be wrong and sinful.
“Rights” don’t require someone else to act on your behalf nor does someone else to pay for your “right”. If you don’t know someone who is threatened by a requirement “to assist” in an abortion, then you know very few people in the health care industry. Oh, you say, they can just go work somewhere else. Where would that be? Are you recommending another country that doesn’t have Obamacare?
What you really mean, is you can get another profession. That’s mighty kind of you.
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Ray2447
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 3:21pmFive trillion problems and Obama is every one. Five trillion problems and the problems have just begun. Five trillion dollars is the amount the Obama administration increased the national debt during his first four years in office.
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resme
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 3:26pm“Moderaton- I think I get it now. It is not ok to stand up for your religious beliefs but it is ok to stand up for your lack of them.”
It’s Fine to preach your social and religious beliefs. Trying to use the government to force a individual to be moral and just, Well, That’s just wrong. It’s not “just” to do a “wrong” to make a “right”.
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sWampy
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 3:27pmThe republicans don’t try to force religion down you idiots throats, you are just to ignorant to understand that abortion isn’t wrong because of some religions bs, it’s wrong because it’s bad for humanity, women who kill their own kids do a bad job at raising kids, and those kids don’t grow up to be functioning adults, and society quickly falls apart. There weren’t laws against gays because people don’t like gays, but because when you let the number of homosexuals grow without checks, child abuse necessarily skyrockets, when children are abused, they don’t grow up to be functional citizens and society quickly falls apart.
Sure we won’t destroy the nation if we raise taxes on millionaires, but income to the government will go down, and the gdp will shrink, just like every other time it’s been tried.
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Bluebonnet
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 4:14pmUsually higher taxes means it’s “For the Children.” Well gang, the kids get dumber each year with all the extra money we throw their way…………cause, it never, never goes to the children, it’s just another UNION grab. Many of the brightest kids came out of a one room school house and they shared books, but they usually had a good teacher who knew HOW to teach.
Teachers Unions are killing the profession and today’s teachers are more interested in “whats in it for them?” Some of those hateful teachers in Wisconsin are still in my memory about how they acted, and it wasn’t a pretty sight to behold. Teach dam it or do something else.
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moreoilplease
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 4:17pmWe have found middle ground on gay marriage. The Maryland amendment includes language that does NOT force pastors etc. to perform same sex marriage. I think this is the way to go. Even though some progressives would like to use the gay community to destroy religion.
Don’t mistake killing an unborn child as a liberty issue. Don’t mistake the issue as a purely religious position. It’s just right vs wrong. Also, don’t think Roe vs Wade will be overturned, it will not.
I want to live in a world where we encourage adoption over abortion. Where we frame the arguments properly and don’t call abortion a “choice”. The choice was made in the act of sex and contraception is not 100%. If you think abortion is about liberty, what about the child’s right to LIFE LIBERTY and the PURSUIT of HAPPINESS. I don’t want my tax money to pay for organizations like Planned Parenthood that was started to rid the world of black babies.
Yes we can raise taxes on the wealthy and not hurt the country. It will not move the needle on the deficit though and shows what it’s really about; class warfare, demonizing the rich. How do I know this? Math is the answer. The largest swath of tax payers are middle income earners. The smallest is the top earners. Raise it lower it, doesn’t make much difference when you spend like there is no tomorrow. Yes, trillion dollar deficits as far as the eye can see. Don’t look down because we went over the cliff some time ago.
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Jaycen
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 4:20pm@spickard2101
I agree with you, spickard2101, except on your last point. Bill Kristol IS a socialist – a Progressive Socialist. He’s part of the problem in the Republican Party. Kirstol’s commentary is usually sycophantic with Progressive Socialist ideals.
All human ideology really boils down to two kinds of people – those who want others to be controlled, and those who do not.
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ModerationIsBest
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 4:24pm@HUMBLEMAN
Wait, isn’t that what freedom is all about?
You know going into a certain profession what kind of jobs you may be required to do.
If you refuse to do a job that your boss gives you, you have the possibility of getting fired.
Isn’t that freedom? Isn’t that liberty?
@QUAGMIR
If you’re going to try to impose your religious views on other people through legislation, then don’t also argue for a small government.
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ModerationIsBest
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 4:27pm@MOREOILPLEASE
Should my sperm get granted personhood rights?
Should we outlaw self pleasure because you are destroying future possible children?
As Hitchens said, “Handjobs are genocide”
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Deuteronomy22
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 4:28pmFunny how raising taxes on the wealthy is class warfare but when we gave special lower rates to capital gains and dividends allowing guys like Romney to pay a lower rate than those who work for their money it wasn’t. The warfare is being waged by people like the Koch brothers ( who’s fortune started with their father building up the Soviet oil industry for Stalin, great patriots those Kochs) on the working people who labor for them. I say go back to the rates under Eisenhower, the last good GOP president.
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colt1860
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 4:36pm@moreoilplease Not so. It’s a slippery slope. The gay agenda WILL expand nationally. Once their lifestyle and redefinition is accepted as a “right”, the State can demand compliance and acceptance by all. If Obama gets his two new SCOTUS Justices in, it will be a right that must be de facto accepted, just like abortion.
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resme
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 4:47pm@colt, Glad to see you around. Used to love to read your post back during the primaries when Paul had a glimmer of a chance
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CONSERVATIVE1979
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 4:51pm@MODERATIONISBEST
If there is supposed to be a separation of church and state, why in the world would the government be defining marriage?
I am not against a person choosing who they want to be with and love. I just think the church definition should be respected and not redefined. Marriage should be left to the church and government should get out of the marriage biz all together.
Gov can establish a ‘union’ of some sorts for people who want all the legal bondage crap.. This way the religious right is happy and so are the not so religious..
my 2 cents.
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moreoilplease
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 5:02pmMderation
“Should my sperm get rights”
Invalid argument. Science tells us life begins at conception.
And quoting Hitchens, seriously? Quoting someone, for this argument, with the morals of a quarter is silly.
Right and wrong, that’s all this is about.
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colt1860
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 5:02pm“Should my sperm get granted personhood rights?
Should we outlaw self pleasure because you are destroying future possible children?”
That’s not even a legit argument. A fetus and embryo are IN ACTUAL HUMAN DEVELOPMENT. A HUMAN BEING IS REALLY BEING PRODUCED. A fetus is being protected, nourished and is growing. The sperm itself, while in man, is idle, not developing into anything, as is the egg. A sperm is not the result of human reproduction, but is used for human reproduction. Humans actually have to go through a process of being formed and created. A sperm is not being formed into anything. Abortion is the termination of human life. My human life began when I began to be formed inside the womb of MY mother. THIS IS WHY it is advised that pregnant women don’t drink or smoke, it will physically affect that child!
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dogpatch65
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 5:12pmHere’s the deal. The republicans lost this election because the GOP establishment saw an opportunity to purge real conservatives from Congress. The good news is that Americans are catching on. Just caught this video of a lady in Florida who caught Ileana Ros-Lehtinen talking trash about the Tea Party, Limbaugh, and etc: http://markamerica.com/2012/11/11/courageous-grass-roots-conservative-rebukes-florida-congresswoman/
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teaisstronger
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 5:27pmIT WILL HARM THE COUNTRY
Just talking about raising the taxes is is harming the country. 1/2 of the American people voted NO to raising taxes. The 47 Percent do not pay any taxes and they voted for Democrats.
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Eastinfection
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 5:27pmCOLT….
Should a pregnant woman go to jail IF she smokes or drinks while she has a “person” in her body?… or otherwise be charged with a crime?
Talk about slippery slope…. Big Brother here we come!
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Red Meat
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 5:34pmKristol is FOX news favorite little whiner. No surprise really.
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TangoMike79
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 5:35pmI agree with Breezee..
Why continue to fight… Honestly, let us hard working conservatives and freedom loving individuals that believe in our principles just step back and let it play out… However, let’s be strategic about this and continue to prepare for the collapse that is coming… After the collapse we can pick up the pieces ourselves… I don’t like the idea of giving in but we really wouldn’t be giving in… It’s simple strategy!!!
That way we can honestly say we told you so…
Changing Demographics? More Like Enduring Ignorance
By Arnold Ahlert · November 9, 2012
EXCERPT from the article:
As a result, I have a suggestion for the Republicans, one they won’t hear from anyone else: give Barry and Company everything they want, without an iota of resistance. Let ‘em raise taxes and the debt ceiling, gut the military, and run up trillions of dollars of additional deficits and debt. Then stand back, and let an utterly corrupt media chronicle the demise — without being able to pin an ounce of the ensuing socialist catastrophe on an “obstructionist” GOP.
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Tractorboy
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 5:39pmSince this thread went Abortion, I would like to say how amazing the difference is of rights the baby has depending on which side of the womb it is on, one side, and it can be murdered at will, the other side and it receives all the civil and constitutional rights that you and I enjoy, personally I think all children deserve a day in court before given the ultimate punishment, schedule a court date for all children, make it for a time when they will at least be able to have a say about things.
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BlazingBob
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 5:48pmLike the old saying… Be careful what you wish for!! With that, I have to agree with Kristol, let the Democrats have it there way so they can tax and fail. Its the only way Republications will recover and regain credibility with the American public and show that capitalism is the only path…
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ModerationIsBest
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 6:16pm@CONSERVATIVE1979
I agree, it’s why marriages shouldn’t be recognized.
The only thing that should be recognized by the government is civil unions.
If you want to get “married” fine, do it in a church, but it won’t be recognized by anybody except you, your church leader and your church. It serves no purpose for taxes, benefits, anything.
If you want any benefits, you must go down and get a civil union. How about that?
The reason you have the government doing so much religious stuff, is because for how much people cry about religious freedom, they sure do love the government endorsement of religion.
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Eastinfection
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 6:21pmCONSERVATE & MODERATION… exactly how i feel. Get the government out of marriage.
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drbob1988
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 6:30pmIt really doesn’t matter what we think unless it has anything to do with ridding the Republican Party of rinos. We have a lot of work to do, think out of the box, we can do it.
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The_Jerk
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 6:45pmJewish neocon, Bill Kristol, is also the man that didn’t care how man American lives were lost in his Iraqi war for Israel.Three weeks into the war, ” So it’s possible that instead of an elegant war with 60 killed in two weeks it will be a less elegant affair with a thousand killed in two months… .”
You people really are uninformed and easily duped: http://www.haaretz.com/news/features/white-man-s-burden-1.14110
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Farmhand82
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 6:46pmAbortion is not freedom. It is absolution from the consequences of freedom. We live in a society where we are free to sleep around and make poor choices. I wouldn’t want it any other way so long as those choices don’t infringe on the rights of others. I don’t want a nanny state telling people how they have to live their lives but there are limits. Nobody outside of hard core anarchists think murder and rape should be legal. There in lies the heart of why the two sides will never find common ground on the abortion issue. You either think a fetus is just a glob of goo that can be destroyed at any time if the mother chooses, or you think the fetus is a human being subject to the right to not be murdered.
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ProbIemSoIver
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 8:01pmBefore I learned the truth, I thought a flat 5%-10% income tax for ALL would be fair.
If you earned 1,000 a year or 1,000,000,000 a year, it would be uniform.
But then…
I learned about the Federal Reserve Act, the Fractional Reserve System and The “contract”.
Federal Income Tax Began in 1913 when Woodrow Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act.
We accept loans from a PRIVATE BANK WITH INTEREST, and give them Treasury Bonds that has no interest attached, in return.
Every Dollar printed is a Debt “Note”. A Bond. It is NOT money !!!!!
Money is defined as being based on a tangible item of value.
He is a quote from an intelligent man:
If our nation can issue a dollar bond, it can issue a dollar bill. The element that makes the bond good, makes the bill good, also. The difference between the bond and the bill is the bond lets money brokers collect twice the amount of the bond and an additional 20%, whereas the currency pays nobody but those who contribute directly in some useful way. It is absurd to say that our country can issue $30 million in bonds and not $30 million in currency. Both are promises to pay, but one promise fattens the usurers and the other helps the people.
- Thomas Edison, The New York Times (December 6th, 1921).
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ProbIemSoIver
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 8:13pmIf you want save this Country Demand that your “government” issue AMERICAN MONEY based on SILVER, the way It was supposed to be.
There would be NO INTEREST on MONEY we Print.
Also, If we have to have Plastic, This would also be issued by the Treasury, and NOT the BANKS !!!!
We could pay a small interest rate that would go back to OUR DE JURE GOVERNMENT,
and not have anything to do with the DE FACTO “government” that is run by the Bankers !!!!
I brilliant man Signed an executive Order to grant Authority BACK to our treasury
to Print REAL AMERICAN MONEY based on the amount of silver in our Reserves.
At that time, there was 4.5 billion worth of silver.
5 months later he was assassinated.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYVCIdrcS6k
This speech didn’t help:
“For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies on covet means for expanding its sphere of influence–on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations.”
- John F. Kennedy, New York City, April 27, 1961
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ProbIemSoIver
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 8:25pmMy Point initially was that NO ONE SHOULD PAY INCOME TAX !!!!!
A unapportioned Tax is Unconstitutional and the 16th Amendment was never ratified by 2/3rds of Congress.
The IRS is a PRIVATE COMPANY (collection Agency) for the INTERNATIONAL MONETARY FUND !!!
It is based in Puerto Rico.
This lady has done her research and she is very upset !!!!
MAKE THIS VIRAL !!!!!! I knew about this before I saw this clip.
This is just the Ideal video to get the message out to people:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhxrazdGyyo
(copy this. The original was “removed” by the account holder. hmm)
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ModerationIsBest
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 10:34pm@MOREOILPLEASE
Please show me where science said “life beings at conception.”
If that were true, you wouldn’t have people saying, “I believe life begins at conception.”
If science had actually come out and scientifically defined it that way, you wouldn’t have people using the word “believe.”
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MadAsHeII
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 10:44pmNlitend1, I say 0% income tax!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaQlzWVHqug We could do it but, we as a people would have to change and our government would have to get back to the restrictions given it by the Constitution. This guy from Australia seems to understand more than most Americans do anymore: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXlMFWmotSU&feature=youtu.be
That is exactly what is going on and it is up to each and every one of us to fight back against this. We need to start looking at candidates that believe in very small government and the Bill of Rights. The rule of Law that is set by the Constitution. The Constitution does not limit us, “We the People” but it limits the federal government. Let’s get back to those days.
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westside
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 12:08amI think everyone should contact their congressman and ask that the automatic withholding be removed for a full acceptance of any taxes the whitehouse wants. it would help re balance this country faster than anything. and the final legislation should include the provision that this can never be reinstated EVER! at least real taxpayers would have the full power of their money for a little while if were so hell bent on running up unpaid bills the federal govt can run it up for a few months till the first payments arrive.(if they ever do)
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MadAsHeII
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 1:10amA lot of people are talking about abortion on here, and my two cents say, look to the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Why is it that everyone has to battle on this subject? It is a subject of Liberty, and you will never get either side to agree. One side is for Liberty of the fetus (which is where I stand) and the other is the Liberty of the woman to choose. The answer is to look to the Constitution, where the limitations are on the federal government, which means the federal government should stay out of the issue and leave it to the states to decide on the law on abortion for that state. If people do not like the law in their state, they can vote with their feet and move to a state that has the law the way they like it, freedom. How hard is it to figure out? This was Ron Paul’s philosophy on the subject and he was definitely Pro-Life and believed that life began at conception, but he knew that for the federal government to make laws on this, it violated Liberty. All of you like to say government should be what your views are, but to be truly free, you have to let all people be free to make their own choices and face the consequences of their decisions. We will all be judged someday and only God should judge.
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moreoilplease
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 2:50amModeration
Life begins at conception. That is the base line. You can do your own reading. It’s well known that biologically, life begins at conception.
“Biologically, at no stage of development can we subscribe to the view that the unborn child is a mere appendage of the mother. Genetically, the mother and baby are separate individuals from conception.”
“Since the mechanism by which mammals reproduce has been known for at least the last 150 years, any biologist in the world can tell you that a mammal’s life begins when the sperm from the father unites with the egg from the mother”.
You can choose to believe what you want, but there is no doubt when life begins, at conception.
For years I made similar arguments as you until I realized it was morally repugnant. Can’t mail this one in and tell yourself little white lies about the barbaric process of killing an unborn child. If you believe life is precious then abortion is hard to get around unless you lie to yourself. Telling yourself it’s about freedom is a lie. Makes all those little nagging emotions go away.
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vaffangool
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 4:52am@ SWAMPY:
There weren’t laws against gays because people don’t like gays, but because when you let the number of homosexuals grow without checks, child abuse necessarily skyrockets, when children are abused, they don’t grow up to be functional citizens and society quickly falls apart.This incredibly irrational comment is exactly the sort of stupidity that makes decent Americans think Republicans are just Iranians with fewer towels.
Nobody is going to make you handle someone else’s penis if we stop discriminating against homosexuals. Treating them like any other human being is not going to lead to increased child abuse. Where did you get this unfounded notion–Karl Rove?
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vaffangool
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 5:44am@MODERATIONISBEST is absolutely right. It’s no surprise that so many of you object to his ideas, because you are the ballast that is going to have to be heaved overboard if the Republican party is to remain afloat.
As Bill Kristol has hinted, grass roots politics has moved the GOP so far to the right that Democrats are able to pick up every good idea left lying in the middle. The only agendas certain to be supported by red meat conservatives are Kryptonite to presidential campaigns:
• Stand your ground–tells the world we value gunmakers’ profits over public health;
• Anti-gay rhetoric–tells the world we embrace bigots;
• Immigration crackdowns–tells the world we want to exclude Latinos;
• Voter purges–tells the world we want to exclude blacks;
• Pro-life–tells the world we are hostile to women;
• Climate change skepticism–tells the world we are willing to fund quack science to protect polluters’ profits–just like we did for Big Tobacco;
• Intelligent design–tells the world we are hostile to science and education.
Anyone who believes these issues project a positive moral message is as deluded as Fox News was all November. There is no way to get our fiscal message across when the world sees us as inveterately selfish, instinctively bigoted, and permanently undereducated.
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NeilChapin
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 6:09amBill Kristol has become such a fool, Irving Kristol has got to be rolling over in his grave at seeing how his son has joined the fools in the Washington establishment. Read fresh political commentary at: http://smallcraftadvisorychronicles.blogspot.com/
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Wrothbard
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 7:59am@Moderationisbest:
How can you argue for liberty and maintain that government should remain involved in marriage at all?
Whether to allow individuals to marry is up to whatever churches/synagogues/mosques or other social or religious institutions people choose to get married in.
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mlite9
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 12:42pmWhat most people don’t seem to understand is the larger picture. Both ‘parties’ WANT you to get lost in the weeds of social issues, rather than focus on the desperately evil war on life, through abortions, and the ESSENCE of life, or money. The two are joined at the hip, and separation surgery by the masses are the only thing that will fix it. Or prosperity, but don’t hold your breath on that one, with this bunch.
What does a human being have that is more valuable than time? Everything else can be replaced. “The pursuit of happiness” (originally ‘property’) is the expression of your value in property that you have expended time to acquire. To cheapen that, or claim right to it, is to take from you what you have managed to do, since inexplicably you managed to be. “Life” they can’t take (yet) and “liberty” is on it’s way out. You must defend that viciously. “I will not comply” is a good place to start.
Those who live on the efforts of others have surrendered far more than their dignity, and you can see it in the attendant behavior. So, it’s no surprise that establishment types like Mr. Kristol find it very convenient to just go along with flow, since he and his contemporaries are somewhat insulated from real harm. The math isn’t there, but that’s not really the point, then, is it?
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colt1860
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 4:52pm@East
The Declaration and Constitution protects the rights of humans, those rights belonging to MAN, not necessarily “persons”. Humans are created by God. “Persons” may be created by other men or the Government. A “person” can be the body of a human, a human, or a legal entity. There are natural rights that only apply to natural persons, that is to man or humans. In certain circ-mstances, courts apply certain rights to “persons”, whether natural or artificial. The Declaration doesn’t deal with artificially recognized “persons”. The Declaration deals with real blood and flesh human beings, that is, men created by God, not persons recognized by the State in whatever form or for whatever situation.
Women can already be charged for using an illegal drug, pregnant or not. Furthermore, children can be taken away by the State if the parents show gross negligence or immediate danger to their children. Government is to reward that which is good, and punish that which is evil. This is one role of Government, not to give out free condoms or free birth control pills, but to protect Life, and serve justice. As for women with drug issues and whatnot, that’s where individuals, families, the church and communities are to come together to act with love and care in order to help and assist, and keep the feds out. That is our responsibility as a free and independent people. This is why a moral and religious people is necessary if Government is to stay small.
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colt1860
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 4:55pmA marriage license is just a tool for the State to control the finances of their Citizens. It’s a three party contract. Marriage can always be defined or recognized by judicial interpretation. How did we function without state managed marriages for more than 150 years? Our Common Law, based on Aglo-Sxon law, defined Marriage as one man and one woman, united for Life. Simple. It was the Progressives that decided to create marriage licenses to further control the couple’s finances and offspring. Marriage Licenses also have their history in Progressives wanting the Law to accept biracial marriages, this then led to all marriages being licensed, under statutory law, because they saw the effectiveness to control two free individuals united for life in one uniform State controlled process, with now the State having a say in most of the couple’s private and public decisions, especially those of a financial nature, and those regarding their children. Marriage Licenses were never a Conservative or Libertarian idea. Marriages are identified and defined through our Courts of Law, not Legislatures. In this nation, we’ve had three types of recognized marriages. Civil law, Common law, and Patriarchal (Biblical). With Civil requiring licenses, Common law requiring mutual consent and witnesses, and Patriarchal requiring permission from the father of the bride. BTW, Anlo-Sxon law, on which we’re founded, demands the protection of marriage and family.
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baptist_deacon
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:26pmMy problem is that I can never support things like gay marriage or abortion. I could moderate on fiscal issues, but I cannot moderate on social issues. Abortion is murdering humans. The is no room to moderate. It is a lie to do otherwise. Same with Gay marriage, it is a lie that 2 gay men living together are “married”. I don’t care if we loose elections on this, because these social issues are based on lies and supporting them in any way is wrong. The problem we have is that there is no ability to have an intelligent discussion on these issues, and we cannot compete with the loudmouths in the liberal media.
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BlackCrow
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:30pmIt’s just another nail in the coffin. The more money the government takes out of the economy the less there is for for economic development and job growth. Remember government produces nothing. When constrained to its necessary minimums government facilitates economic activity but when it is allowed to run wild it consumes resources with no net return and we are long past that point.
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PubliusPencilman
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:39pm“Remember government produces nothing.”
Except for infrastructure, education, physical and economic security and basically everything else that makes economic activity as we know it possible.
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Jaycen
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:52pm@PubliusPencilman
Your internet nickname is offensive, as you’re clearly a socialist. You believe the opposite of what America’s Founders believed.
“Infrastructure” does not make the economy possible. The economy is the millions of interactions that take place between people. You’re saying that there was no economy prior to the Interstate Highway System? It simply wasn’t possible for people to walk across a field to trade with each other?
Perhaps you meant the minting of money? So, economics didn’t exist when people bartered, because trading goods ISN’T the same thing as trading a commodity for goods?
You are a socialist genius, you know that?
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progressiveslayer
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:53pmPUBLUSPENCILMAN Spoken like a true central planner there genius,I especially like the central planners of the old Soviet Union N.Korea and Cuba,they’ve done a great job! Wouldn’t you agree? Of course you would.
BLACKCROW Great points and you’re correct because we got the final nail when Barry was reinstalled.
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Jaycen
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:56pmI’m sorry that you were so rudely interrupted, Blackcrow, as your anaysis is spot-on.
No, “the problem”, you’ll see that I have a lock on what “the problem” is, is that Conservatives didn’t come out and say:
* “We’re going to preserve entitlements for everyone over age 50. For everyone else, you need to start saving money toward your retirement. We’re going to help you by eliminating taxes on retirement savings. As those retiring die off, we’re going to reduce the taxes taken from your paychecks today, but YOU WILL CONTINUE TO PAY into these failing programs for a while. We owe it to these folks who are too far gone to pay for themselves.”
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ecbuck
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:58pmNo Publius – all of that is produced by tax paying citizens and businesses. Oh, except for the part that is paid by printing money. That part is paid by every citizen.
And no Billy – increase taxes on the wealthy won’t kill the country. It may cause and severe wound, but it won’t kill it. But then – it won’t solve the problem either.
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22_year_old_conservative
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 1:15pmHmmm infrastructure? Construction companies do that. Education? Private schools blow public schools out of the water on test scores. Physical security? what the heck is that? I’m guessing you mean the military, that is one of the very FEW duties that the government is supposed to do. Economic security? If you want economic security have government get the hell out of the way. And as for you assertion that the government is the one that makes economic activity happen you couldn’t be 100 percent more wrong. It is the PEOPLE that make and economy function. The process of creating a product or service that people want/need.
Do you want examples? Amtrak. Propped up by the federal government and loosing 1 billion dollars a year since 2000.
Green energy? Solyndra, Bankrupt. Abound Solar, Bankrupt. Satcon, Bankrupt.
US Postal Service? Loosing 25 million dollars a day (that is over 9 billion a year).
Why are these companies not making money? Because PEOPLE don’t want the product they are offering or the service they provide. Economics is not that difficult to understand. I know its easy to spout off and praying no one calls you on it but I’m sick of people like you acting like you know how the world “really” works but actually have absolutely no clue outside you little shrine to Marx. Look up the histories of state controlled countries. It isn’t pretty.
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Gregb
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 1:26pmwhy is everyone caving to the communists?
raise taxes..destroy our economy…
add welfare…
destroy the dollar..,.
It is the end of America as we know it….no more freedoms…
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BODYBAG
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 1:39pm@GREGB
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 1:26pm
why is everyone caving to the communists?
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Now there’s an interesting question
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colt1860
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 3:04pm@PubliusPencilman LOL. And how’s that working out? Last time I checked, the US Post Office was going broke and bankrupt. BTW, they’re run by a huge leftist public union. Education? 40%+ of high school can’t read 8th grade level reading when they graduate. Our money? The dollar is losing value, quickly. Inflation is high, and our wages are the same. That doesn’t sound like economic security. Oh yeah, and the FED wants to print trillions of dollars more. We’ll have 20+ trillion in national debt soon. Roads? My state is taxing us more and charging us more public transportation so they can build a new rail system. Funny thing is though, the DC metro red line here SUCKS! The trains are still from the 70′s and 80′s and nothing has changed or improved. They’re constantly having troubles with the escalators and rails. Their workforce, according to their own research, is 98% black. That doesn’t sound like “diversity”. My county borrowed money to build a new highway, taxed us to pay for it, charges a toll fee to use it, and gives us a ticket if we use it without a fare card. Now they want to raise taxes because no one uses it! It was a waste of time and money!
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PubliusPencilman
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 3:11pm“You’re saying that there was no economy prior to the Interstate Highway System?”
No. However, you can’t argue that we would have the economy as we currently know it without the interstate highway system. Try reading a bit more carefully in the future.
“Your internet nickname is offensive, as you’re clearly a socialist. You believe the opposite of what America’s Founders believed.”
First of all, there is no sense in which my comments are “clearly socialist.” To suggest that the government provides the foundational services I listed is not socialism. Secondly, you clearly have no idea what the Founding Fathers believed (as if they all believed ONE THING, which is obviously untrue). There are, in fact, a while range of political beliefs and ideologies that contributed to the foundation of the country, from small scale agrarian systems to interventionist mercantilistic philosophies. Your attempt to dumb-down the founders to one selfish “hands off my money” approach is what is offensive here.
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PubliusPencilman
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 3:23pm“I know its easy to spout off and praying no one calls you on it but I’m sick of people like you acting like you know how the world “really” works but actually have absolutely no clue outside you little shrine to Marx.”
I encourage you to try to call me on things. I’m happy to have an actual argument–otherwise, why would I bother posting? Now, if you actually want to have a discussion, you need to stop pretending that you can peg Marx to everyone who disagrees with you and expect that to mean you won the argument without ever having to actually think!
But, to your examples: yes, construction companies I hired to build roads–hired by the government. Now, how many of those roads do you think would be built and maintained if the government didn’t fund them? While there are very limited precedents for “free-market roads,” this is generally not a profitable enterprise, but it’s one that just about every business in America relies upon.
For private school versus public schools, while there is a measurable achievement gap, there are a number of explanations for this. The most obvious one is that, since private schools services only roughly 10% of students in the country, this smaller percentage is disproportionally made up of better students who benefit from more parental involvement (if there parents didn’t care, the student would be less likely to be in private school). Regardless, this still raises the problem of educating the other 90%, something only p
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PubliusPencilman
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 3:37pmNow, in terms of economic security, companies benefit immensely from the consumer confidence that results from a well regulated market. When an American consumer buys a product, they can reasonably assume that the product is reasonably safe, that food products are accurately labelled, etc. These aspects are guaranteed by government agencies. People are able to be confident about the security of their deposits in banks because those deposits are backed up by the government. There are always exceptions to these expectations, but generally they are secured through the government.
Your mindless mantra of getting the government “out of the way” really means very little. For someone who claims to understand economics, you have an incredibly primitive understanding that doesn’t seem to extend any further than simple supply and demand. Yet, even the stability of supply and demand is guaranteed by the government in it’s active interventions against price fixing, conspiracy and monopoly.
Anyway, if you think that having a government is the problem, you are welcome to go and open a business in Somalia and let me know how secure the fruits of your labors are.
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dimitrisokolov
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 4:00pmWell those millionaires aren’t being taxed at a higher rate now so where are all of the jobs they are supposed to be creating?
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psychosocial1
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 9:16pm@Publius
I admire your efforts, but they are largely wasted here. I rarely find that I can have an intelligent, well-reasoned debate on this (or any other) message board. If an individual makes any statement that goes against the accepted “conservative” platform he/she is automatically labeled a “socialist,marxist,etc…”. The problem with this medium specifically, and the overall political opinion arena generally, is this “you’re either with us or you’re against us” mentality. Too many people only see the black and white extremes of the spectrum; they cannot identify the fact that there is a huge gray area in between. Small government, free-market, personal liberty conservatives constantly seek government intervention to deny liberty to entire groups of individuals who live a lifestyle they don’t agree with. These same conservatives also seek government intervention in business by seeking incentives for development (hardly free-market is it?). I would suggest researching the subjects of confirmation bias and group polarization. These two concepts explain a great deal of behavior. As to the specific issue of taxes, Gingrich made the claim that the Clinton tax hike would stall the recovery and cause recession. Clinton’s tax increase caused no such recession. Kristol is only pointing out a fact that can be supported by historical precedent.
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Git-R-Done
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 11:03pmPsychosocialist – That’s b/c Clinton raised individual income taxes but cut corporate and capital gains taxes, moron. But I doubt that you’re smart enough to know the differences in those taxes.
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PubliusPencilman
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:48amHaha. I think I scared them off. So much for me being the one who is afraid to be called on things.
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psychosocial1
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 1:49pm@git
Thank you for making my point. You know nothing of my beliefs or ideology and yet you hurl the typical vitriolic rhetoric simply because I say something you might be against. Ad hominem attacks do not further your own position. Yes, I understand the tax issues involved with the Clinton administration. The personal tax increase was imposed in 1993. 9% points. Capital gains cuts came in 1997. Gingrich made the statement that this increase would stall the recovery and cause a downturn. No such downturn ever occurred. I have the facts on my side and clear historical precedent as evidence.
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Thighmaster
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:29pmIt won’t kill the country if the government stops spending money from unborn generations. The government will spend more than whatever they take in, it’s what they do.
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AbrahamsSheepdog
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:39pmWe had a miracle business man. Timing perfect. World paused. Then the suicide sped right back up.
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progressiveslayer
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:28pmSilly Billy since you’re ignorant about our tax code watch a short clip and maybe you’ll learn something,maybe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN8iC5iBqXQ
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GoingBeck
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:26pmHave ya’ll heard of the “camel’s nose”? Well, “just a little bit” is just the beginning. The parasitic Left won’t stop at a little bit. Give them an inch and they talke a mile. Just watch, at the end of Obama’s term, the rate will be 50% or higher. Mark my words. You heard it hear first.
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Bum thrower
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:41pmChrystol, coulter, and the ‘establishment’ “talking heads” have no clue. Just declare ALL money the property of the Federal government and ‘allocate’ it “fairly” to all…..Now that’s real ‘change’….
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Disgusted Patriot
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:25pmWho in their right mnds thinks that raising the taxes a little on the top 1% is going to have ANY impact on bringing the deficit down. Face facts, we of the the 53% of the 99%, are going to pay more, too. Only remaining issue is – how much more. We have been lied to on a grand scale by the Socialist Democrats bent on the objective of removing as many personal freedoms as possible and giving the government more control than ever over our lives. Wake up people. Open your minds and educate yourselves.
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James
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 1:02pmRaising the taxes on the rich is not an economic issue with this president, rather it is an ideologic issue with him. The amount collected by raising taxes on the rich would fund the federal government operations for less than one week. I believe, he believes he must beat down the rich, class warfare, get it. All socialist/communist’s must always beat down or liquidate the rich. This is all about class warfare, so-called social justice and, of course, “fairness”. It’s always going to be their ends justifies their means. Simply put, I believe he believes he must destroy the rich in order to bewilder any other competition, therefore he would king/dictator and his so-called tranformation complete. You know folks; the charleton always dwells within the good graces of the people and the people seldom know it.
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rfycom
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:23pmlaughing my ass off at the losers.
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barber2
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:32pmYou must be looking in the mirror if you think that Obama’s Washington Media Circus is going to end well for your economic future. But, heck, laugh on…that’s what he is counting on. Oh, and keep up the ridicule and hate..he’s counting on that too !
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progressiveslayer
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:35pmBut who will support you worthless parasites when big daddy government collapses and they tax and regulate businesses out of business? Taxpayers will have the last laugh when obamazombie parasites die off by the millions,personally I think it’s erotica to see that many dead parasites.
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Ziggy
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:37pmAll us americans lost last Tuesday. Some are just somewhat slower to realize it.
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fdraiden
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 1:24pmWell, when your messiah cuts off your food stamps and welfare what are you going to do? Get a job? hahahaha!
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TROLLMONGER
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:23pmYou see. Even the extreme right wing GOP people agree with Obama…LOL!
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barber2
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:34pmTroill : You just left out the words ” dumb as a rock”…..those people come in all parties !
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U.N.hater
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:34pmExtreme right wing? LMAO! Billy boy is a freaken GOP PROGRESSIVE! Yeppers a progressive just like you….
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progressiveslayer
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:45pmTURDMUNCHER Talkin **** again you obamazombie parasites are brain dead and the best part is you won’t be around soon but you’re too stupid to realize it. Deer in the headlights,you won’t know what hit you. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Pantloadian
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 2:27pmProngbuffer . . . 11/06/12 . . . hahahahahahahahahaha
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Silversmith
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:22pmDumb Bill – Just Dumb. Over 250 thousend does not a millionaire make. It’s every bodega and candy store, or ice cream parlor, or carpenter or baker or gas station that is not incorporated.
Stop selling the party line.
Silversmith
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Carrie3570
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:56pmExactly! That’s me. I own a small construction business. Of course I am over 250k…. but if I didn’t spend the money brought in, tell me, how would I still have a business? I am certainly not rich. It’s like people think businesses run for free.
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CatB
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 1:17pmCorrect!!! and what about those OBAMACARE TAXES that they are kicking in??? These morons that voted for Obama who have ANYTHING of value are in for a shock .. starting with capital gains 3.8% that will be on their retirements dividends and when they sell a home.
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AbrahamsSheepdog
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:22pmYou say what you want. I shut my business down. I have bills. Taxes going up hurts working people period. You sell that crap on sesame street buddy! It takes brains to survive. You’re gonna see. Why not give extra Billy? U heping back East Billy? U got a Plan at all Billy? U think broke people pay for Movies, Billy???
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justangry
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:20pmWouldn’t hurt is conservatives stopped listening to the likes of Bill Kristol either.
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tiki886
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:55pmAnother “conservative” in name only.A CINO/RINO.
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resme
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 1:52pmConservatives usually vote with the socialist more than the Libertarians. Instead of giving the power and liberty back to the people. Conservatives are afraid the people might use their freedom for things they might not agree with.
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justangry
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 3:24pm@Resme, That’s what blew me away. I didn’t realize the ‘conservatives’ were so against freedom and individualism.
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PubliusPencilman
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 3:39pmTiki,
Given that Kristol was an important figure in defining modern Conservatism, I would suspect that it’s you that has the shaky grasp on what it means to be a conservative.
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resme
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 4:14pm“@Resme, That’s what blew me away. I didn’t realize the ‘conservatives’ were so against freedom and individualism.”
@just, Read what hayek and rothbard thinks about conservatives. http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/hayek1.html
They would rather support socialism than liberty. Just to have a control along with the socialist.
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justangry
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 7:28pm@PubliusPencilman, Kristol is a neoconservative.
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AJAYW
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:19pmreally
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InfiZell
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:19pmHe’s a freaking moron. The less we hear or care about Bill Kristol, the better.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:18pmIf they raise taxes on millionares by 10 billion, and cut spending by 40 billion – that is a net positive, right???
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barber2
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:28pmDemocrats cut spending by 40 billion ? When pigs can fly ! ( what Democrats would do is “say” they will cut spending and raise taxes …THEN refuse to submit a budget like they have been doing since Obama OCCUPIED the White House AND KEEP SPENDING ! ) Making a ” deal” with the Democrats, is like making a ” deal” with the Devil. They follow the same ” Rules For Radicals: ” Blame. Throw people under the bus. Divide the people. Blow up the economy. Character Assassinations. MIC checks. Bullhorns. Glitter bombs. OCCUPY .
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Eastinfection
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 1:20pmIn theory that’s sound SOY but, like BARBER i’m reluctant to trust the Dems to follow through on any “promises” they make….
I want to see the cuts 1st… then drop the Bush tax cuts for those making (x) amount. $250thou is not the right place for (x) to be however. (x) should start in the $1million- $2million range…
$250thou is just the number Obama’s goons came up with because it was the perfect place to begin the class warfare rhetoric. Notice Biden & Clinton never mention $250thou? They always say millionaires & billionaires…
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soybomb315_II
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 1:56pmi am assuming the republicans are not idiots and would only accept a deal that cuts spending the first year. They’re gonna have to do something or else the fiscal cliff will turn into a nightmare
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barber2
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 2:00pmBottom line : Never trust a Far Left Democrat to keep his word anymore . The Alinsky Far Left is following a ” changed” code ! This is NOT the party of Truman or JFK. These Democrats can NOT be trusted.
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barber2
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 2:10pmSOY: I though you said you were a Ron Paul dude all through the campaign ??! Ron would never keep this spending spree. Guess you were the “Divide the Dumb Conservatives” Trolls I always said you were. Just more of the Big Lies of Democrats..Smoke and Mirrors…
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soybomb315_II
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 2:48pmwhat part of spending cuts dont you understand?
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barber2
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 2:54pmSOY: what part of beware of ” dealing with the Democrats ” don’t YOU understand ?
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resme
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 3:21pm“SOY: what part of beware of ” dealing with the Democrats ” don’t YOU understand ?”
A “TON”, I mean a “ton” of democrats defected to the republican party. Previously “trotskyites”, Now known as Neo-Conservatives. The democratic party has been pro war for decades. Republicans were always the anti war party. (Republicans back then were anti-war hippies who supported communism, According to your ever-changing definition)
Conservatives in the founder’s days were the loyalist who fought with the British empire. AKA : Benedict Arnold. Thank god, Our founders were classical liberals.
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Eastinfection
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 4:19pmThat’s right RESME… conservative supporters of the crown were called “Tories” (still are in the UK) and, ironically enough, were heavily based in the most Northeastern parts of the colonies… funny how labels get different definitions over time…. ;)
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resme
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 4:34pm“That’s right RESME… conservative supporters of the crown were called “Tories” (still are in the UK) and, ironically enough, were heavily based in the most Northeastern parts of the colonies… funny how labels get different definitions over time…. ;)”
Glad you agree, East. Conservatives like to hang onto the status quo. It’s almost like they hate change and the “future”. They love the past more than the present. It’s a thought process that lead them to support the crown. Not all conservatives are bad… But, for people to say the founders were Conservative is a gross distortion. THEY FOUGHT THE CONSERVATIVES!
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Eastinfection
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 6:14pmGeez RES… been trying to respond to you and just now figured out why it keeps disappearing before posting… i made the mistake of using the word “d.o.c.u.m.e.n.t.” .. which unfortunately has the letter combo “c.u.m.” in it… lol.. c’mon Blaze!!!
Anyway…. i look at it this way…. I am very Conservative in my defense of the US Constitution… which i believe to be a fairly Liberal “d.o.c.u.m.e.n.t.”
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Eastinfection
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 6:18pmRESME…
I’m Conservative in my defense of the U.S. Constitution (which is pretty Liberal)
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Eastinfection
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 6:25pmlol… Blaze…you kill me….
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resme
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 8:40pmWell, It’s not only that, east. I’m very conservative towards the constitution. Myself I’m a Sort-of a Libertarian, I can’t come to grips with abortion. I know you can’t stop it. If you ban it people will get back room abortions.
Conservatives today really hate major change. I’ve personally never heard a conservative argue for monetary freedom. It’s usually we have to keep the fed because we are too stupid ourselves to manage money, /facepalm. It’s why they tend to vote with socialist ( aka democrats) and thus they start to argue eventually; NO, I”M A BETTER SOCIALIST.
I’m guessing you a libertarian, East. Personally, I want the word Liberal back, :). Damn socialist hijacked the word…. If i recall the french socialist started calling themselves liberals.
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Eastinfection
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 5:46amHey RES.. You deduce correctly.. Libertarian i am.. In fact it’s my theory that if abortion wasn’t an issue at all, the majority of people would be Libertarians (if they took the time to learn what it means). Instead, abortion is the calling card of ignorance, and the sheep flock to the party that represents their view on this issue the loudest…
Personally, i have a big problem with restricting it because i don’t want a fetus to be granted “personhood”… I don’t want the State to start dictating how women eat, exercise, etc. while they are pregnant… At the same time, i support pro-lifers as a necessary check & balance on the State to keep abortion from becoming mandatory as the world’s population swells.. Eugenics is a concept that, unfortunately, will gain traction as time goes on. Nothing is ever black or white to me… i live in the shades between. Maximize reasonable freedom for the individual.. delicate balance.
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Berbel73
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:18pmIf you are a conservative and you have a subscription to this Rino’s rag you should cancel it now.
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Irememberamerica
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:46pmBill has been spewing this garbage for sometime now.
Can’t stand him. He is clueless…
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Edohiguma
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:17pmYou can tax the rich up to 50% or even more and it won’t make a difference. I guarantee you that.
How do I know?
Well, it’s easy. Germany and Austria have criminally high taxes, Germany much worse than Austria. And yet, with the biggest tax income ever, the national debt, the deficits and the spending are rising and effectively out of control.
The more money the government makes with taxes, the more money it will spend. Reforms won’t happen because reforms mean actual work and screaming “tax the rich!” is so much easier than actual work.
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Danny78
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:17pmKristol said on “Fox News Sunday” that it’s not a matter of the Republican Party becoming more moderate, but approaching issues on an individual basis: “The answers on some issues is to have fresh thinking and other issues to be more conservative.”
See how stupid Mr. Kristol thinks/knows conservatives are. “Approaching issues on an individual basis”. Dude just say we’re changing our path. Stop with the verbal gymnastics this is why critical thinkers believe neocons are full of shite.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:22pmmaybe finally they will understand the power of individual freedom…..
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Danny78
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:41pmKristol understands the power alright. He just doesn’t want everyone to have it.
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NDPINDNT
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:17pmThe Democrats want their “social justice” on the rich, big businesses, and corporations. Give it to them. Then they will see that it has no effect on the deficit. It’s the only way they will come around to cutting programs in the government.
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GoodStuff
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:46pmHey folks, I say let them have what they want. Let em tax the rich. Let the American people see how socialism brings economic misery. Maybe that’s the only way to wake people up.
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economist46
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 1:03pmSo right. The wealthy voted for Obama – give them the higher tax rates they want – and sooner rather than later. Why not 100% tax rates on incomes over 1 million? Or even 500,000. They can get by on that. Then maybe by 2016 the rich will have learned their lesson. And the increasing numbers of unemployed might learn a thing or 2 as well.
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progressiveslayer
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:17pmSilly Billy spoken like a true progressive,yes raise taxes that will solve all our problems and by all means continue to increase spending because that will help as well. Obama care will raise taxes on everyone except obamazombies they pay nothing ever they’re just parasites draining the host. Raising taxes just makes the federal government bigger and more powerful and we all know how great of an idea that is. On the other hand if you want to get to the collapse sooner just raise taxes and spending through the roof,sounds like a skinny jug eared Marxist’s POS plan for revenge huh?
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Frederick_Douglass_Republican
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:28pmAt this point I can’t help but wonder if the sooner we hit bottom the better so get it over with. Little Billy Whizstal is such a lump of fetid butter
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progressiveslayer
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 1:00pmWe need to collapse and the sooner the better so we can reset the system,problem is what will it change to? If it goes the way Barry wants the US will be like the old Soviet Union.If if goes the way it should like our founders intended a smaller limited government with an end to the welfare state we could turn it around but there’s no doubt the system has to collapse first and it will sooner rather than later.
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Berbel73
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 1:43pmProgressiveslayer, the way it will go will be determined by just how prepared we are. When this house of cards comes crashing down there are going to be alot of people who have been fooled by the progressives to believe that the government is the answer. We will have to show otherwise by being able to provide comfort to those who will be in need. We just need to remember ‘with malice towards none’. Then we will be able to restore this country to the ideals that made it the greatest nation in history.
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Frederick_Douglass_Republican
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 3:33pmI should revise my comment on his comment now that I watched the re-run. He had some good points. There are going to be tax increases due to the massive debt. What we need is across the board small raise and of course they will punish the highest achievers and supposedly not tax the earners bringing in less. Thats where my problem is. Raising the tax on “millionaires” so they “pay their fair share” is monumentally destructive.
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Jake Wilde
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:14pmKristol has seemed a bit progressive over the last couple of years to me. Is Bull Moose coming back in the wake of their poor commentating the last few years?
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Lloyd Drako
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:13pmBush 41′s tax increases, and Clinton’s, were followed by more job growth than Bush 43′s tax cuts.
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progressiveslayer
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:20pmBush 41′s tax increases got him fired,that along with Ross Perot.
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Triple7
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:27pmReally? Recall Billy Clinton repeating the worst economy in fifty years about 41′s presidency.
But in your Marxist mind higher taxes are the answer.
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Time Rebel
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:43pm250,000 does not a millionaire make! Kristol and others at FOX are getting on my last nerve. Obama being re-elected was bad, but the establishment GOP’ers have been spouting a bunch of nonsense this week, running about with their tails drooping and acting as if they are ready to bow down to Obama and the liberals.
I still cautiously support the GOP, but I wonder if they will cave in and sell us down the rest of the river? Will Tea Partiers break away and join the Libertarians or form their own party? Who knows. We cannot count on either of the two major parties (the dems or the GOP) to save our country. We – each one of us – must do our parts in holding the establishment accountable to “We the People” or else our country will continue to slide into the kind of socialistic nightmare that Europeans must live with.
Some in the establishment care more about holding on to their own power, prestige, and positions than they do about defending the ideals and values that made America great. My local Tea Party is going to call the establishment out as necessary and remind them that the founding principles that made America great are the same ones that will solve our challenges. Find a Tea Party group near you. Tuesday’s loss was terrible, but the GOP retained control of the House. Thank God or there would be no representation or a way to push back. To protect the rights that our founders secured for us, we must get involved and follow their lead. If not us, who? Fight on!
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MyCommonSense
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:45pmNot true:
A favorite liberal argument is to attribute the economy’s strong performance during the 1990s to President Clinton’s economic policies, chief among which was a huge tax increase. Clinton signed his tax hike into law in September 1993, the same year he took office. It included an increase of the top marginal tax rate from 31 percent to 39.6 percent; repeal of the cap on the 2.9 percent Medicare tax, applying it to every dollar of income instead of being capped to levels of income like the Social Security tax; a 4.3-cent increase in the gas tax; an increase in the taxable portion of Social Security benefits; and a hike of the corporate income tax rate from 34 percent to 35 percent, among other tax increases.[1]
The economic defense of the Clinton tax hikes does not hold up against the historical facts. The economy did exhibit strong economic growth during the 1990s, but rapid growth did not occur soon after the tax hike—it came much later in the decade, when Congress cut taxes. After the 1993 tax hike, the economy actually slowed to a point below what one would expect, considering the once-in-a-generation favorable economic climate that existed at the time.
As for the overall economic recovery—that started well before President Clinton took office. In January 1993, the economy was in the 22nd month of expansion following the recession from July 1990 to March 1991.
In addition to coming into office in the midst of an economic expansion, Clinton a
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Lloyd Drako
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 1:03pmTax cuts are not a panacea. In theory, you can argue that cutting tax rates can actually yield higher tax revenues, which, if you care about deficits and debt, is a good thing. But the record is mixed at best.
Bush 43′s tax cuts might have been a good idea, had they been targeted more at working people rather than rentiers, and had they not been accompanied by two unfunded wars, brand-new entitlements, and excessive deregulation of the financial industry. The Mellon tax cuts under Harding and Coolidge in the 1920s were similar; over six or seven years they yielded a prosperity which was, like that of the 2000s, unevenly distributed and prone to speculative excesses. In an economy already resting on consumer durables, financed for the first time by consumer credit, there were simply not enough consumers. Meanwhile, tax savings creamed off by the wealthy went into black holes in Florida land and “can’t miss” stocks.
On the other hand, the Kennedy tax cuts of the 1960s and the Reagan tax cuts of the 1980s were each followed by a decade of growth, prosperity and job creation. Still, neither was an unmixed blessing: the Kennedy cuts helped fuel inflation, and the Reagan cuts were more apparent than real, because payroll taxes went up as income tax rates went down.
God forgive me for agreeing with William Kristol, but in this case he’s right. Tax hikes on the wealthy won’t fix the deficit, but equally they won’t “kill the economy.”
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TADTAD
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:13pmIt’s called incrementalism, Bill, you idiot/sellout. What is it going to take?
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Steelhead
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:13pmweak standards Bill
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AbrahamsSheepdog
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:35pmCowardly sissycats Are the problem. We are being played with by idiots pointing to crap They Want. And Now. NO. Im a real man. Not a retarded slave.
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Delores at CH WV
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:11pmWhat Communist Party are you with Bill? Two hundred thousand (200,000 and up to 1M) does not make a millionaire!!!!! Traitor, in wolf-cloth, we now who you are and your traitor friends. Hope you well!!!!
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Triple7
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:29pmKristol is a democratic socialist.
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AbrahamsSheepdog
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:47pmHe was seen with chris christie at a bathhouse tooo with some elves. They all compare notes I guess. Beggers and cowards. I am starting to not trust begging.
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burnteye86
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 12:09pmExactly what you would expect a Progressive to say.
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Pontiaku
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 1:26pmIt’s true, it wont hurt them a bit. The rich will keep doing what it is that makes them rich, the poor will keep doing what makes them poor.
It’s just a poxy tax, the rich will simply pass the tax increase down to the goods and services the poor struggle for.
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Lloyd Drako
Posted on November 11, 2012 at 1:36pmPontiaku: True dat. Tax hikes on the wealthy won’t kill the economy. Their purpose is political. What’s really needed is thoroughgoing reform of the tax code, but the 7 weeks remaining before Wile E. Coyote time will not be enough.
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