30 States Petition Federal Government to Secede After Election
(FILE)
UPDATE:
We’ve uncovered comments from conservative Justice Scalia talking about the idea of secession. You can read his thoughts on the issue here.
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Liberals often like to compare President Barack Obama to former President Abraham Lincoln. The comparison is usually dismissed as laughably hagiographical, but judging by one unexpected bit of fallout from Tuesday’s election, it could well end up being accurate in just one respect: Like Lincoln, Obama is facing requests by the citizens of numerous states to secede from the union.
However, unlike with Lincoln, these requests are peaceful, and highly unlikely to do anything at all except generate news headlines. A massive number of petitions are currently circulating on Change.org, a website designed to call for action by the federal government or by private institutions on particular causes, calling for particular states to be granted permission to secede.
Nor are they confined to the usual suspects (IE the Southern States). In actuality, the mix of states asking to secede is deeply bipartisan, ranging from the deeply red (Alabama and South Carolina) to the deeply blue (New York) to the swing (Pennsylvania). Nor are the states asking to secede in any way geographically clustered. Northern states (New York), Midwestern states (Michigan), Southern states (Alabama) and Western states (Nevada) have all filed petitions of their own. Most swing states this election cycle, with the exception of Ohio, have a petition of their own, and all of them have at least 1,000 signatures, with even some of the bluest states in the union easily keeping pace with their red counterparts.
Is this simply the product of a few thousand discontents in each individual state? Perhaps. But Texas’ petition has over 40,000 signatures, well over the 25,000 necessary to reach the attention of the President. If this turns out to be more than the discontented murmurings of a single state, this story may get ugly.
Additionally, here is a list of all the states with petitions to secede on WhiteHouse.gov:
- Delaware
- California
- Ohio
- Nevada
- Pennsylvania
- Arizona
- Oklahoma
- Arkansas
- South Carolina
- Georgia
- Missouri
- Tennessee
- Michigan
- New York
- Colorado
- Oregon
- New Jersey
- North Dakota
- Montana
- Indiana
- Mississippi
- Kentucky
- Florida
- North Carolina
- Alabama
- Texas
- Louisiana
(H/T: Politico)
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KissMyAmericanFlag
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:13pmParaphrasing a well-known and much-appreciated talk radio host whose initials are RHL, “What if the United states split at the Mississippi River? Leftists on the east, conservatives on the west…?” ;-)
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v15
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:22pmI don’t live in Texas but I would encourage Texans to rally everyone they can in their state as Texas leads the charge!!! Hopefully more states can also get 25,000+ signatures!!
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Oilfield_Trash
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:27pmThe only problem I have with that is I live East of the Mississippi River, in Mississippi. Give ‘em everything North / East of the Mason – Dixon line. (they seem to like urban areas better anyway).
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soybomb315_II
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:31pm“give me Romney or give me death” ???
mgh999
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:32pmNo, we need to give them California too
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ProbIemSoIver
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:35pmUnbelieveable.
One half will be ignorant liberals and the other half ill be ignorant conservatives.
The Global Elite knew tha “divided we fall”
An America Divided is no longer a superpower, and powerless to a UN NATO force.
Just the way the Globalists wanted it.
We need a third portion of America for the sensible Libertarians that understod why all this happened and it has nothing to do with left or right ideologies.
Our part of America will not be a UN member. We will NOT allow a Central Bank to issue our Currency. And we will follow the Constitution to the Tee.
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Buddynoel
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:37pmYou’re going to leave us stuck with California. Thanks, but NO. Make those dividing lines the Appalachians and the SIerra Madre, with the new Republic of Gadsden taking a piece of the state of Sonora to allow for a west coast port. the Constitutional Convention should be very interesting. Also don’t center the capitol in one city, but divide it in three, to prevent the creation of a federal cesspool like we have now. Technology easily makes it possible.
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Hope_and_Restore
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:42pmGlenn joked about that a couple years ago… only he suggested a very high Plexiglas wall between the two sides.
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ProbIemSoIver
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:42pmWe have corrupt Officials, so we want to divide our Country ?
Makes absolutely zero sense.
If anything, all 50 states need to secede from a place called WASHINGTON D.C.
Then let our local officals know that we mean business and they better never answer to a banker or a corporation.
They will answer to WE THE PEOPLE !!!!!!!
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Silversmith
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:49pmWhat might be kinda fun is if all states secede and then jointly re-adopt the constitution – and leave DC unto itself. A man can dream….
Silversmith
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WarMunger_Al
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:51pmProblemsolver-
“We have corrupt Officials, so we want to divide our Country ?”
What about the 51% of retarded Americans that voted for Obama don’t you understand? Pelosi, Boxer, reid, heck even J. Jackson jr got reelected even though he is going to jail and is receiving mental health treatment. You can’t fix stupid, so it is better to isolate them.
ProbIemSoIver
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:55pm“I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned, and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed.”
- Abraham Lincoln
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Take Note:
“money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people”.
This is what we are witnessing now.
We were warned.
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christhefanatic
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:58pmSorry….California is in the west.
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WarMunger_Al
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 10:00pmAbe Lincoln was a tyrant and most of this mess is his fault. He set the precedent for the Federal government to enslave the states. To force it’s will via force of arms. Old abe murdered more Americans than any jihadi could ever hope to.
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SUNTZU
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 10:03pmPROBLEMSOLVER
I think D.C. has already seceded from WE THE PEOPLE.
Problemsolved!
Round them up,put them in their own FEMA camps
for safe keeping.
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ProbIemSoIver
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 10:06pmAmerica Justs needs to secede from the Corporation of the United States:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhxrazdGyyo
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Here is some literature on this:
“Under The District of Columbia Organic Act of 1871 a private corporation named, “The District of Columbia”, was formed. It trademarked the names “THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT”, “United States”, “U.S.”, “U.S.A.”, “USA”, and “America”. It should be noted that this corporation was not simply a reformation of the municipality as it’s Organic Act was chartered in 1808. Without amending that municipality’s charter, this 1871 Act marked the creation of a new private corporation known as, “The District of Columbia” (hereinafter “Corp. U.S.”) owned and operated by the actual government for the purpose of carrying out the business needs of the government under martial law.”
http://teamlaw.net/history.htm
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Here is more:
“It is Historical knowledge that the original Union States created the Federal Government, however, for all practical purposes, the Federal government has taken control of her “Creators”, the States.) She has become a beast out of control for power. She has for her trade names the following: “United States”, “U.S.”, “U.S.A.”, “United States of America”, Washington D.C., District of Columbia, Feds. and Federal Government.”
http://www.barefootsworld.net/usfraud.html
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circleDwagons
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 10:09pmObama can have DC, NY city, northern va , southern ca, and illinois
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DeOppressoLiber
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 10:14pmTexas will have to play the next 4 years very carefully. They are the next Colorado for the Progressives to knock off.
I am a Texan and do not poo poo this, look at the last vote. If they can take down Big Texas the Liberty movement will take a serious blow.
They will use the Hispanics as a COG against the Republican types. They will have fifth column types in the Tea Party and Republican party to push extremists views and not realistic views.
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ProbIemSoIver
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 10:18pm@Suntzu
They are merely employees of the Corporation.
Actually subsidiary Private Companies of the Mother Company.
“Representative Nancy Pelosi in Washington, DC is a private company categorized under Government Offices-Us. Our records show it was established in and incorporated in District of Columbia. Register for free to see additional information such as annual revenue and employment figures.”
“Nancy Pelosi
Principal”
http://www.manta.com/c/mmnynbm/representative-nancy-pelosi
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This means that they are NOT Representatives of the people !!!!!!!!
They are representatives of their Corporation !!!!!!
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Ballot_Box_Revolution
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 10:21pmI think this is great news!! Some of my fellow “Paulbots” disagree, but that is what is great about Liberty.
You say “great one side will be ignorant liberals, the other side ignorant conservatives” but that would not be a bad thing, because it would put a damper on the two party system…and it would show that yes the government does belong to the people…there would be separation at first and both sides will know for sure that they can not continue governing the way they are….Heck even if secession doesn’t happen, the action of these petitions speaks volumes!!!!!
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ProbIemSoIver
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 10:23pm“All the perplexities, confusion and distress in America arise not from defects in our Constitution; not from want of honour or virtue, so much as from downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit and circulation.”
– President John Adams, 2nd U.S. President
“I killed the bank.”
– Written on the grave of Andrew Jackson (1767-1845)
“Whoever controls the volume of money in any country is absolute master of all industry and commerce.”
– President James A. Garfield, assassinated 1881
“This is the terrible thing about interest… But here is the point: If the nation can issue a dollar bond, it can also issue a dollar bill. The element that makes the bond good, makes the bill good, also. The difference, between the bond and the bill, is that the bond lets the money-broker collect twice the amount of the bond, and an additional 20%. Whereas the currency, the honest sort, provided by the Constitution, pays nobody, but those, who contribute in some useful way.”
– Thomas Edison
“Let me control a peoples currency and I care not who makes their laws.”
– Meyer Nathaniel Rothschild in a speech to a gathering of world bankers February 12, 1912, a requote of his ancestor Mayer Amschel.
“The Federal Reserve is one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever seen. There is not a man within the sound of my voice who does not know that this Nation is run by the international bankers.”
– Congressman Louis T. McFadden
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turkey13
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 10:29pmAll we need is TERM limits. Here in Oklahoma we willlose Tom Colburn – a man hated by both parties because he isn’t a career politician. He pointed out thge Bridge to Nowhere by Dead Ted – a Republican. We need limits of 2 terms or 8 years. Hillery Clinton spent 90 million to win that seat in NY and didn’t even serve. If these idiots are real people and not career politicians the special interest won’t spend millions to buy them. Notice how many congressmen run for office in the whole country, not their district.
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muffythetuffy
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 10:29pmThe populated Blue states should get stuck with most of the debt. It should go quickly because this was Obama and the Democrat-Communist plan all along to destroy the World’s last Capitalist Super Power. Its getting to look like the Roman Empire crashing down. Without the USA, banking, trade, credit and security will disappear as it now exists. Without those, international trade may end..
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soybomb315_II
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 10:31pmif people are that desparate to try secession – you would think they would at least try someone like Ron Paul or Gary Johnson first….
ProbIemSoIver
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 10:32pm@BallotBox.
Also, all the Conservatives moving west and all the Liberals east, would stimulate the economy .lol
I agree that this a glaring “we have had enough” from the People of America.
That is exciting.
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muffythetuffy
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 10:33pmThis is not a fad. It will grow.
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muffythetuffy
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 10:35pmThe United States no longer has free elections and no longer has the Rule of Law. We are becoming a lawless nation. A nation that is no longer free.
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Max jones
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 10:38pmSOY….Romney was run by the same forces running the administration…..All the the same all the time. The “election” was for appearances only. There was never a trace of doubt of the outcome.
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Misty Williams
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 10:38pmHey hey now, my home, my little hobby farm, all paid for free and clear, is in MI. Divvying up down the Mississippi would not work….
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grimmster
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 10:42pmSo probium aka encinom, you want to secede from corporations? In other words, get rid of them? If so, then how the hell are you going to shove cheetos in your budgey little face, and play world of warcraft? Moron……
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TrueColours
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 10:42pmNow you know, they’ll be illegally entering our country when the freebies run out in theirs.
ProbIemSoIver
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 10:51pmI don’t know why people don’t weight this option first.
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Declaration of Independence
[Adopted in Congress 4 July 1776]
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The Unanimous Declaration of the Thirteen United States of America
When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
“… That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to affect their Safety and Happiness.”
“… when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”
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Reclaiming Our Nation
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 10:52pmNow is the time to brush up on self reliance:
Here is a short article to get you thinking in the right direction.
http://reclaimingournation.blogspot.com/2012/07/reclaiming-our-nation-with-self.html
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oldguy49
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 10:53pmyep.us southern boys in nw florida won’t go for a missippi devide………..besides what about california………..
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ProbIemSoIver
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 10:54pm@grimmster
You by far are the most nescient troll every witnessed here on the BLAZE.
Your @$$umptions are as far off as your grasp on reality.
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Max jones
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 10:57pmPROBLEMSOLVER …posted I will respond…..
Unbelieveable.—-What is unbelievable is you think you solve anything….
One half will be ignorant liberals and the other half ill be ignorant conservatives—-If you think that anything can ever be the same again…you are ignorant.
The Global Elite knew tha “divided we fall”…..The globalists will unite the world. come hell or high water.
An America Divided is no longer a superpower, and powerless to a UN NATO force..—-Never again will the .U.S. be a power, super or not.
Just the way the Globalists wanted it.—–yeah….I’d like to hear paul and johnson ‘s opinions on that.
We need a third portion of America for the sensible Libertarians that understod why all this happened and it has nothing to do with left or right ideologies.—- You can’t stop what God himself has started.
Our part of America will not be a UN member. We will NOT allow a Central Bank to issue our Currency. And we will follow the Constitution to the Tee.—-You are officially delusional. Reread your words and extract the main points….you are sorta on the right track, but to believe you can stand up to the beast with any thing but Gospel armor is ……well,,,delusional. Are you biblicaly void or just egotistical enough to believe in your own reasoning? It may be you want BLOOD….is that it?
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ProbIemSoIver
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:00pm@grimmster
If the “P” were next to the “B” on the keyboard, you would not be as pathetic as you are. rofl.
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JustPeachy
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:01pmPsssssttttt-PROBlEMSOlVER!
We’re already divided! We’re just not livin’ together so well anymore and dont’t all want to be under the same leadership. There are too many differences between us now.
And I sure don’t know about you, but I am sick and tired of being told to “Shut up, sit down–and let us run things!” We’re told to “be quiet and play nice.”
All the while some are running this country right into the ground AND over a cliff!
PHOOEY!
I’d LOVE for my state to secede from this mess and the insanity!
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MetalPatriot
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:03pmSILVERSMITH…
That was sort of my thought too. If all the states want to succeed, isn’t easier to just get rid of the “bad guys & girls” who don’t want to play by the principles of our founders? It wasn’t easy for them either. They were split down the middle too (strong fed govt vs maximum liberty).
It appears the numbers of people calling for this action are incredibly small. Is this the minority who rights are protected under the Constitution? I wonder.
Here we are with the “let’s divide” thing again. Nothing like division to keep a country together. I’d rather divide along lines of stupidity. Well, that’s not good either ’cause I might be on the side I don’t want. lol
Wish this stuff was funny, but it sure isn’t. All I have is anger and hatred left.
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everydaywoman
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:11pm@Silversmith:
“What might be kinda fun is if all states secede and then jointly re-adopt the constitution – and leave DC unto itself. A man can dream….”
Tis a nice dream….although, I don’t think I would call it “fun” but all states succeding from DC in order to keep the Constitution in tact sounds like a nice reality.
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Dkoonz
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:13pmGuns, ammo, gold and food…Stock up now you are going to need it.
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topcat52
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:17pmActually this is for problemsolver. I don’t know if you are delusional, on drugs, or illiterate. The act in question, which can be accessed at the library of congress, does none of what you purport it to do. Or maybe it’s just that you’re getting your information from a delusional web-site. There are many things that we can complain about coming out of DC, but this Act is not among them.
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jaemd
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:19pmCalifornia, Oregon, Washington, Nevada and New Mexico would have no interest in your Mississippi River divide.
There are malcontents after every election. They’ve just found themselves a new game to play with on the internet. They come from sites like this one, and the only ones paying the least attention are sites like this one.
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Farmhand82
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:20pmThis wouldn’t even be an issue if the US government would just support a states rights agenda. Both sides can be happy. If California or Massachusetts wants to go full on communist they should knock themselves out. Unfortunately the federal government has decided to push big government on all of us, whether we support it or not.
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Farmhand82
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:25pmThat’s why I know conservatism is in the right. If we win and the federal government shrinks, leftists can still live the way they want to. They simply have to shift the powers they want big government to have over to their deep blue state governments, leaving us to live in the small governments that we want. If the left wins nationally, they force big government on us.
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TheePolitinator
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:36pmTry leftist to the west foo, :)
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db321
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:38pmHere is the link – choose your State
http://reclaimingournation.blogspot.com/2012/11/states-petition-to-secede.html
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midwesthippie
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:44pm…just want to pop your “stupid” bubble…if your state secedes you have no army no nukes no defense…good luck with that…
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rp12x12
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:53pmSend a message to the Ds and Rs in Washington – sign the Minnesota petition at https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-minnesota-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/drBMjgx5
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ashestoashes
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:54pm@PROBLEM SOLVER..Great idea..but you do know that Iceland kicked the Rothschilds and their bank out don’t you..Don’t see that getting much press..
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GotToGo2012
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:04amGo for it Texas I’ll move in a heartbeat.
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Wool-Free Vision
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:31amMytheos Holt, I wanted to make sure to note here that you get 100 bonus points for employing the phrase “laughably hagiographical” in this story. Seriously, that was awesome. I’m pretty sure that this is the first time I have ever seen this phrase in print. Keep up the good work =)
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naed5048
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:36amWho in the hell wants Ca and NY?
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ProbIemSoIver
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:38am@TopCat52
Look friend, I have been researching this for years.
I am sorry you can’t find the info.
Due Diligence. Keep Trying.
Here is some help for you.
Even the Corrupt elite owned Wikipedia has to admit it.
“The District of Columbia Organic Act of 1871, formally An Act to provide a Government for the District of Columbia, is an Act of Congress that repealed the individual charters of the cities of Washington and Georgetown and established a new territorial government for the whole District of Columbia. Though Congress repealed the territorial government in 1874, the legislation was the first to create a single municipal government for the federal district.[1]”
“The Seal of the District of Columbia features the date 1871, recognizing the year the District’s government was incorporated”
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GiantCarp
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:45amAll we have to do is cut welfare off to California, and they will self-deport to Florida, DC and New York.
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ProbIemSoIver
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:49am@ashestoashes
I did not know that. Thanks.
Icelanders are intelligent and educated, obviously.
They must not watch television ( The Globalist’s indoctrinating boob tube ) often.
They probably teach the monetary system in their schools.
We trade Treasury Bonds with a Private Bank in turn for notes with interest attached.
This is insanity.
Here is a great quote:
“This is the terrible thing about interest… But here is the point: If the nation can issue a dollar bond, it can also issue a dollar bill. The element that makes the bond good, makes the bill good, also. The difference, between the bond and the bill, is that the bond lets the money-broker collect twice the amount of the bond, and an additional 20%. Whereas the currency, the honest sort, provided by the Constitution, pays nobody, but those, who contribute in some useful way.”
– Thomas Edison
We can issue money through congress via the treasury with NO INTEREST ATTACHED !!!!!!
REPEAL the FEDERAL RESERVE ACT OF 1913 !!!!!
That is when a federal income tax began in America.
JFK was going to destroy the FED.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYVCIdrcS6k
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Restore the Republic
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:56amIf Texas Secedes, its population will increase by an order of magnitude. I’ll be one of the new Texas Citizens.
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SacredHonor1776
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:08amMust be the northern CA voters, the ones which would like to split the state and dump southern CA.
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ProbIemSoIver
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:16amAll of HUGE part of this I have not mentioned is when we declared Bankruptcy in 1933.
Check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlCs7u1ihws
Both sites I posted earlier talk of this. I have a hundred other sources also but these are my present favorites.
“In 1933, Corp. U.S. is bankrupt, they force a banking holiday to exchange money backed Federal Reserve Notes with “legal tender” Federal Reserve Notes the Trading with the Enemies Act is adjusted to recognize the people of the United States as enemies of Corp. U.S.”
http://teamlaw.net/HistoryOutline.htm
“The bankruptcy definitely started when Roosevelt came into office. He was sworn in during the month of January 1933. He started right away in the bankruptcy with what is known as ‘The Banking Holiday,” and proceeded in pulling the gold coin out of circulation. That was the beginning of the corporate United States Public Policy for bankruptcy.. Executive Orders 6073, 6102, 6111 & Executive Order 6260 – Trading With The Enemy Act.”
http://www.barefootsworld.net/usfraud.html
Even one of our congressmen knew this and disclosed this classified information on the house floor. He was blackballed from congress with some bogus scandal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=ek_3X2ONCx0&NR=1
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PATTY HENRY
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:29amDON’T EVEN THINK THAT!!! Especially now that they’ve let the “CAT OUT OF THE BAG” (that the USA has more oil than all the M.E. and the rest of the world) I’ve been saying that for a couple of years now…we can be energy Independent and rich again!! It’s our land, folks… Of course they (obama et al) tried to hide it…they tried giving Mineral right to the COMMIES (the “wait until after the election and I’ll be more flexible”) only we didn’t RIOT on election day….we didn’t split apart..so I guess their NUCLEAR SUB parked off our Coast has at to trotsky on back to Russia.
THE FEW WHO HATE AMERICA would LOVE for us to split apart. I have a better IDEA. Send all the House of Rep and SENATORS back to their States to work from their Capitals – Skype etc.- and preserve our beautiful buildings – make DC a public park… ship the U.N. where ever, release the land for TAX PAYER PROFITS… and the LOBBYISTS can find new jobs cause they won’t be allowed near our Congress or Pres. They can post ADS I suppose Have 3 or 4 months for the PRIMARIES both parties, Prevent UNIONS and other special interest groups from buying favors… Badda Boom, Badda Bing!!! AMERICA THE BEAUTIFUL ONCE AGAIN!!! Instead of once every 4 year conventions, we can hold huge town hall meeting for days at a time to get issues solved with the max. amount of people participating. THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX people!!!
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rickc34
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:30amThe left can just go to hell now since they arre headed in that direction anyway. What do you think. It is simple .
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ProbIemSoIver
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:46am“Politicians are basically “Crack heads” taking parts of our Country to the FEDERAL RESERVE “PAWN SHOP” for loans, and then losing our Country by default.”
– ProbIemSoIver
philipzhao
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:07amDivided States of Islamic America !!
KIWL-DA-WABBIT
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:44amWARMUNGER_AL– I agree, Abe should have let them secede it was their right too!!
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TransmitToVladmir
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:56am“30 States Petition Federal Government to Secede After Election”
Save everyone fuss & muss — better to have the Federal government “secede”. Take it away, Ripley!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2s1MspmfEwg
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Bluegrass2
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 4:25amNebraska needs help with their petition
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-nebraska-withdraw-united-states-and-create-its-own-new-government/Jf5xVXrS
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Joel Knows
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 5:32amConservatives on the Left Coast??? Just doesn’t seem right somehow. Of course the “fixed” election we just had doesn’t seem right either. Why don’t we find a way to kick the idiots in Washington we call publicly elected representatives out of office and start over again starting with BHO and cleaning out the Senate and House of Representatives? We could then take all the people who believe in Man-made Global Warming and put them all on a big iceberg along with all the moochers and freeloaders that infest the UN building. On the other hand we could gather up all the progressives and give them a whole continent…. Antarctica to live on. Just a thought and a lot of wishful thinking…but better than what we face right now with the status quo.
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NeilChapin
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 5:40amI will tell you what would happen. The Conservative side would prosper and the Liberal side would become a third world country. Read fresh political commentary at: http://smallcraftadvisorychronicles.blogspot.com/
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SamIamTwo
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 5:49amMeh, I can’t afford to move east of the Mississippi. Hell I can barely afford to live at all.
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HaroldHeard
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 6:04amFive days into this petition Texas has more than 60k signatures (and growing) this might be interesting stay-tuned
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-texas-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/BmdWCP8B
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Gorp
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 6:40amI figure they can have Rhode Island. It’s on the coast so it won’t be hard for them to get a boat to take them to some other country that’s more to their liking seeing as they can’t stand These United States.
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VerySeniorCitizen
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 7:04am@PROBIEMSOIVER
Have you giver ANY consideration to ‘logistics’?
States on the east, west and Gulf coasts would have access to the ocean and overseas markets.
But what about land-locked States once they become ‘independent countries’?
Do they erect walls to keep others from using their portions of FEDERAL INTERSTATES?
Do they have to pay ‘a foreign country’ to travel their roads and use their ports?
When a hurricane or other natural disaster strikes – HOW would they get supplies and how would the residents survive in – lets say a drought or massive wildfire in a ‘water-shortage’ state??
Where would these land-locked states get their power (in states which have no coal or refuse to use renewables) or gasoline (in non-productive states) or water (in desert areas)?
GREAT IDEA to secede – Right??? Riiiiiiiight!!!!!
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VerySeniorCitizen
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 7:11am@MUFFYTHETUFFY
Gee Muffy, you really aren’t living up to your name! Better go hide under the bed until it’s safe to come out!!
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twbranch
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 7:15amUh nope! I am not moving to the nasty west coast.
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naughtycal
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 7:25amWarMunger_Al
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 10:00pm
Abe Lincoln was a tyrant and most of this mess is his fault. He set the precedent for the Federal government to enslave the states. To force it’s will via force of arms. Old abe murdered more Americans than any jihadi could ever hope to.
You are correct AL, it seems alot of Presidents praised by our eductaional system were ANTI-CONSTITUTIONALIST to say the least. The bottom line is the Civil War was about taxation without representation FACT They do teach in school…Lincoln signed a mandate that stated all states that practiced Slavery COULD CONTINUE the practice but no new states could have the practice of slavery.
If the War was fought over slavery then the south won before a shot was fired. Fact is the Government was taxes the south and using those dollars to build in the North.
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RushEcho2
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 7:48amImpeachment would be an easier path.
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dcatkin
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 7:56amThe only bad thing that I see about this is that my state is not on the list.
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bage66
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 8:09amThe left must get stuck with California, so utilizing natural borders, reform the USA west of the Appalachians and east of the Rockies, get Alaska and toss off Hawaii.
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Dragonfire
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 8:26amI knew I moved to Alabama for a reason. Succeed? Hmm, might not be a bad idea. Go Alabama and you others. Only problem I see is that we might still have to deal with the other states economically but I am sure we can find a way to do that without getting their stench on us.
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poorrichard09
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 8:26amI see this as a self-defense move by freedom-loving states: we’ll take care of our own under our state constitution (most of which are modeled after the US Cons.) and DC can take a flying leap!
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tugdiver
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 8:43amLeftists on the east and conservatives on the west??? I live in SC, our neighboring Red states are not in as good a shape but strategically the Conservative United States need the ports. SC has BMW, Military Weapons manufacturers, metals manufacturing, Boeing, Force Protection, Cotton, Wine, Whiskey, Mineral resources (to include gold mining), Army, Navy, Marines, Navy Seals, Coast Guard, Air force base, Missile base, Missile manufacturer, 4 medical Schools, religious conservative universities, Mountains and forests on the right side of the warm currents that provide drought free crops. We have the benefits of all the other states and many things no other states have.
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WakingSheep
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 8:43amNow we are begging dear leader to let us leave?
Read your state constitutions people.
Petition your state.
These petitions are a mockery of the Republic we already have.
Dear leader please let Texas leave even though I don’t live there!
No worries,
Maybe McCain or gulliani will run again in 2016!
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CivilColdWarWarrior
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 9:18amThe “Civil Cold War” has begun.
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A. Blinkin
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 9:26amYes conservatives west, libs east. All the good farmland is west of the Mississippi anyway so the easties will have to depend on the westies for the good stuff. Just a dream anyway. All like minded people grouped together on both coasts, what could go wrong? The west is best.
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Paulrev
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 9:26amAnyone can sign these petitions, you do not have to live in texas to sign!
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loriann12
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 9:28amSince this is on a government site, and I’m a fan of history, I’m very supicious. The reason I say that is you have to couple this article with one that said even third world dictators didn’t get 99-100% of the vote like Obama did in some districts in Pennsylvania and Ohio. I’d be worried that everyone who signed this petition would be rounded up and executed, publically. That being said, I can’t wait to see the look on my aunt’s face (who is a STONG Obama supporter) if Arkansas did secede. We’d have to have a massive exchange of people, letting those liberals move INTO Obamanation, and the conservatives out.
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IntransigentMind
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 9:53amThe question is, what will the Obama administration do about it? http://wp.me/p2filR-3KQ
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avoter
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 9:56amMiddwesthippie let me burst your stupid bubble. Are you going to pack them out with mules – not that we wouldn’t pay to see that. Look I’ve been here saying it’s not the best idea. But, never mistake not a good idea with not doable. Texas can totally hold it’s own. And in case you haven’t heard we have closed the border and Oklahoma is running out of space – memo to Beck.
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Cavallo
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 9:58amThe United States needs to be divided into three countries. West Coast, East Cost, and the Central/South. It will give everyone what they want. The Liberals will have an end to the super power of the United States, and Conservatives will have an avenue of escape and liberty from an oppressive Imperial Federal Authority. Seems a peaceful solution to our problems.
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I.Heart.America
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 10:10am76,000 signatures for recount and climbing fast
http://www.petition2congress.com/8222/petition-recount-on-2012-presidential-election/view/1
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black9897
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 10:21amAwesome. it should be all 50.
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shammo
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 10:26amand CA to Mexico.
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TERossi
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 10:54amProblemcauser is another Ronulan clown posting from Paulestine. He can’t understand you through the tinfoil
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Cavallo
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 11:08amWhere can I sign Missouri’s petition? Not that petitions mean diddly squat in a fascist autocracy.
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The Jewish Avenger
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 11:10amI’m really starting to hate New England….
Love the team, loves James Taylor
but hate their political blindness.
Well, at least half of New England…
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I.Heart.America
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 11:18amBarack Obama Voter Fraud 2012
http://obamavoterfraud.blogspot.com/
762x51
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 11:36amIt needs to be more than Texas.
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nonofmybiznez
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 11:44amAs an Arizonan tired of being bullied by the federal government and Obama, I would encourage all Arizonans to sign the Arizona petition.
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taintso
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 11:55amSending the illegals, and they can take the ones that support them with them, back to where they came from would be a good start.
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Evileye
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 11:56amWe are out numbered and the mix between Wasps and the rest of the nation will only increase.
Grant amnesty to 10 or 12 million Illegal and a one party system is an assured fact .
The Republican party Will never run two White males again.They will have Rubio and a women as Vise president,And promise more freebies than the Socialist.
That might not even work because they are not as skillful at treacherous conduct as the far left.
The world has change and we must learn to live with it.
Massive debt will be the end of the nation. .All great Republic after a time fail.
Ours is the future of Grease or the Collapse of Germany after world war one.(think of the Soviet Union)
The Idea that you can tax the rich to do away with the deficit is idiotic.
We are going in debt 5 billion dollars a day. If you took all of Bill Gates 50 or 60 Billion
it would be gone in less than two weeks.
The average Voter must have an IQ of about 85, border line Morons.
Give them a phone and they will vote for Jesse Jackson JR. As your next President.
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mbck1491
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:04pmGreat minds think alike. I’ve been saying that myself for the last six months, but the liberals are on the west and the Conservatives on the east, using the Mississippi river as the border.
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KingCoal59
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:06pmIf you build it…..
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Yeah_Buddy
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:11pmGreat idea to complete what Obummer started: the division of these once United States. Lets help him complete his fathers dream :)
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JohnGalt
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:11pmGeorgia is almost at 25k mark. this is growing fast!
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American_Made
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:13pm“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”
Thomas Jefferson
Could get ugly, Americans are known for getting accomplished what needs to be done. Keep this road up and it would not surprise me to see civil war.
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Kathlena
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:18pmLet’s do something constructive instead of seceding first we should fight for RECOUNT! We ALL know there’s was MASS fraud, uncounted Military votes… SIGN THIS A SEND TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW! http://www.petition2congress.com/8222/petition-recount-on-2012-presidential-election/
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Trigus
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:46pm“If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.”
Samuel Adams
In the past we have told our children when they fall to pick themselves up off the ground, to knock the dirt off, and get back into the game. Now we just coddle them, let them cry, let them fail, and reward them.
It is time for us to get back to the things that has made this country great. Time to remember those who have sacrificed so much for this country and not let that sacrifice go to waste. Pick yourselves up, knock off the dirt, and get back into the game.
“Every step we take towards making the State our Caretaker of our lives, by that much we move toward making the State our Master.”
Dwight D. Eisenhower
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AbrahamsSheepdog
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:59pmNo California pass. Give to Mexico. We need to work together, though. We all need to get along. This is like nfl or what?
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ltb
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:59pmThis morning Beck was going on about how stupid it was for people to sign these secession petitions, because the signers are giving Obama names for his enemies’ list. I thought about that before signing the Texas petition and decided I would rather die standing for what I believe in than live on my knees. Beck, since you’re living in TX now, you need to grow a pair. In some senses, America is a bunch of cowards and if people had been as gutless in 1776, we’d be speaking with funny accents right now and spelling “color” with one too many letters.
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j_berry50
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:45pmWouldn’t be easier to skip the civil war part where familes fight and die and ,instead, go right to the last part of the story!!?Haha?…………..
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bdsconserv
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:55pmthen texas here i come!
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jeneth38
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:55pmUnfortunately I am in California. I am in my 30′s and have lived here with my whole family since I was born. This state is going to implode! We have been wanting to get out of here for some time now. If there was ever a better time to get the heck out of California, NOW would be the time! It would be a wonderful thing if conservatives would/could pack up and leave this state to all the brain-dead liberals. Let them live in the cesspool they have created. California is beautiful! It’s a shame that the crazies are multiplying like grimlins here. The election may have shown California as a blue state but I know there are MANY reds that did not re-elect this president.
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Oldphoto678
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:58pmMisleading headline! AGAIN!!!
Not one state, not one is trying to secede. It’s just a few thousand disgruntled blazer types in some states…I know you want to make it the biggest thing since canned peas, but it’s not. Not even 0.000001% of the people in America. You can secede all you want, but the states, all 50 of them will remaine the UNITED STATES of AMERICA. We have FEMA camps, and we’re not afraid to use them.
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laserjet
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:07pmAnyone can sign any state’s petition; you don’t have to be a resident.
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Mable8
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:14pm@Kiss…..Flag: I would NOT give those commies that much territory…all they need is a space half the size of Delaware, preferably in the middle of the hottest desert in the USA. If they can survive that heat without air conditioning for a year, we’ll know for sure who the devil cloned himself as.
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FatFreedom
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:15pmI like the idea of not having any liberals around, and warmongering, Corporatist either, like 90% of talk radio hosts, along with the entire establishment RNC.
Give me Ron Paul type leaders and I state and I will move.
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shak4u
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:46pmIf Florida and Texas secede , I just might move back to the USA.
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Red Meat
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:55pmLOL
This petition just gives Central Planning a better idea how big the gulags need to be.
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tenn2113
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 3:05pmWell If We Can divide the states who want to go with the constitution and those who do not follow the constitution. Obama can be the president of those who do not follow the constitution, and as states get fed up with Obama they can join us signing a statement they will now and forever follow Our Constitution. Execute any person or organization who engages in voter fraud for Treason or engaging in terrorist activities. No more saying well he had a bad experience as a child therefor he is justified in what he does. B.S. A short military trial and firing squad. No more bending over backwards to be politically correct, and no more letting the few dictate to the majority. It is WE THE PEOPLE not what ever those in power want. End cronies on both sides and go back to what is right is right and wrong is wrong. Obama can keep the debt he has caused and he can even keep Obama care. We will not let or accept more crap crammed down our throughts. Justices should be elected to terms, not appointed for life. There should be limits to funds spent on elections, not who has the most money. The press and others (politicians)should he held accountable for what they say or publish. This is not a total cure but it would be a good starting place. God Bless US.
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ArmedPatriot
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 3:14pmGot to do something about the Left Coast.
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UnwantedFoe
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 3:16pm@ Midwesthippie
Sorry to burst your own bubble, but if large chunks of the south, midwest, central and mideast secede.. then -your- government will have drastically less nukes, military strength, etc. You can be sure that many of the states who are seceding have strong military bases.
http://militarybases.com/texas/
http://militarybases.com/georgia/
http://militarybases.com/arizona/
http://militarybases.com/south-carolina/
Just to show a few
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BarryMaCaukiner
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 3:19pmThat would be silly. The Mississippi River is not in the “middle” of the country. The majority of “Red States” are West of the Mississippi, including Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, the Dakotas, and so on.
Think of a better split!
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scubaandskidoc77
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 3:20pmActually , seceeding from the union will bring the American debt doewn from 16 trillion deollars to zero dollars. This is probably a lot easier to do then to rely on our politicians to control costs. Therefore even California and Illinois will start with a clean slate. As long as the states act like Europe and use a common monetary unit, a common armed services and have no restriction to travel between the states, this could be the easiest way to solve our debt problem.
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Paul Rozman
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 3:20pmHell no don’t give them all of California just the south I live in northern ca. and most of us up here don’t want any part of this crap that is being forced on us any more than you all want it, we have been at war with the EPA, fish & game, ect. they ( gov ) have just about shut all gold mining down, fishing, hunting,ect BUT it’s ok to grow pot.but not food, turned the water off to the farmers but still made sure that LA had water for their swimming pools.So please don’t count us out we aren’t all brainwashed head in the sand libs
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Celticnanaof3
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 3:23pmNooo, the Liberals are on the west coast and the north/northeast! We don’t want those areas. How about we waiting a year, suck up as much federal money to rebuilt our infrastructure and schools, and THEN we secede from the union…stick them with more debt. They won’t even notice it. I know this won’t happen, but it was fun thinking about it.
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tenn2113
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 3:29pmYes, and we can do like other countries, when illegals are identified, Jail them and ship out of the country. If you are in foreign country with out proper papers you pay through the nose and still get shipped out or do jail time until someone bails you out. To work in a foreign country you must have papers to work. This would be politically correct! Secure our boarders, keep them out of our states, and don’t let Obama dictate to us. If they are illegal they have no rights to vote or welfare or any other government services. Problems solved.
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scubaandskidoc77
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 3:31pmActually seceeding would cause the national debt to go from 16 trillion dolars to zero. Even California would get a new lease on life. Like Europe keep a common currency, a common armed services and no restriction to travel between the states, and this turns out to be a blessing since our current politicins will never fix the ddebt crises.
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yiska8
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 3:45pm@Ltb
Everyone forgets that only 3 in 10 colonists wanted to live free. The other 7 were content to live under King George. So 30% of the population had the guts to revolt. I knew Beck coming to Texas, can’t completely change his fear. You have to be born and raised here with it in your spirit to understand what you will and will not stand for. He’s still got that New Yorker in him, it’s understandable. That’s why Texans hold on so hard to who they are, because others come here to take advantage our of wealth and then try to change US or make us out to be the crazy ones.
Remember Blazers, 3 in 10 colonists fought, the rest were ok with being serfs.
Remember the Forefathers.
Remember the American Revolution.
Remember the Civil War.
Remember the Alamo.
Remember 9-11
Remember Benghazi 9-11-12
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DeborahSampson
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 3:47pmSilversmith – love your dream. Maybe we can nix amendments 16 & 17? But seriously, how would any one, two, or even 30 states unite after secession? Guess I’m looking at the next step after secession, and can’t see how it would end in something other than chaos.
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soundtracktowar
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 4:04pmThese people are idiots. Yes, that moron got reelected, but this is America. We can bounce back from anything, just have a little faith.
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1776_2012
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 5:16pmLet’s make it lefties on the gay coast, righties on the straight coast. Or lefties to the port side, righties to the starboard side. The cutoff will be the San Adreas Fault line. They can have Kalifornia, Washington and Oregon. We get the rest.
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usmadgirl
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 6:24pmKissMyAmericanFlag,
When I saw Louisiana had a petition, I sent this to a disgusted FL e-mail friend. This is my crazy idea:
If all the red states secede & unite, we’d have a nice big country but WE get to keep the name of the USA. Blue states HATE the USA so they’ll have to be the USSA or whatever they want to call their sissy Communist POC states!!! Don’t know what we’ll do with Colorado & New Mexico stuck right in the middle of our RED states! ALL illegals & “others” will be deported to Mexico OR the blue states since they love criminals & “terrorists”.
We’ll have to make a “NO FLY ZONE” over OUR new conservative country so I don’t know how the East Coast blue states & the West Coast blue states will be able to travel back & forth…really don’t care! Maybe they could pay us a “toll”, otherwise they’d have to go around the globe to get from one to the other if Canada or Mexico won’t let them fly over!
ALL progressives living in red states will be deported to the blue states… WE DO NOT WANT THEM or their agenda CAUSING TROUBLE in our NEW conservative country! True conservatives from blue states will be welcome in our red states. We’ll have space after the Libfreaks leave.
I’m sure Alaska will secede; so we’ll have most of the oil, natural gas, farm & ranch land, the military, nuclear power, coal, etc. We’ll see how long the blue states survive without the red states! They’ve never DONE anything so they’ll probably starve
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M1A2_Tanker
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 6:43pmhttp://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/electors.html
Some States Electors are required to vote along party lines regardless who wins the Popular vote.!! Until the rules apply equally across all States, Parties, and Electors and all States can split their votes the FIX IS IN! This system is corrupt and stands against Liberty. Our Votes are meaningless. IMNSHO!!!
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vincectec
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 7:56pmThe base tenant of our civilization, life liberty and the pursuit of happiness is in peril. This brings forth these salient words of the Declaration of Independence:
That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
This suggests to me that it is our justifiable right to seek disillusion from what is now called the United States in order to form a new United States, if you will a more perfect union, which is in direct accordance with the Declaration of Independence, our Current Constitution and the beliefs of our founding fathers. Some may call this radical, but I believe it is obedience to what was also once thought to be a radical idea, the D
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cgnick
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 8:32pmThe headline should read: Rightwing Fringe From 30 States Petition Federal Government to Secede
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cgnick
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 8:33pmPROBLEM SOLVER hit the nail on the head.
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boyd9
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 8:51pmWe just need enough territory for those who do not want to become EU2 to be able, over time, to vote with their feet. There is no way for Obama to rig that vote. He shouldn’t want us Texans in his country. We don’t like his policies and we have sued him more than 24 times trying to get him to comply with the 10th amendment. If he lets us go he can save a lot of money on attorney’s. Hey the European way is obviously superior so why should he be concerned that a state or two want go back to our founding principles and provide people an alternative to living under his definition of what is “fair.
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Redintheblue
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 9:22pmFellow Americans, Please don’t for get with in those blue states there are some conservatives like myself trapped :( I voted Romney and I’m proud of it even if I live in a liberal welfare state. I get a lot of crap from people about my conservative views, but please know that a state may be blue but there are some of us out there that want the same thing you all want. A great country again.
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stablepar
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 10:21pmthey get half and we get half and since they got 51% of the vote we give them D.C.
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Wildblue3
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 11:09pmWhat would we do with CA and Nevada? They don’t want to turn Red.
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Chatikh
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 1:48amI really hope Texas doesn’t secede. I’d have to leave. And since America would then be blocking the border to the new Texas country, I would be unable to move to the more civilized United States.
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right-wing-waco
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 2:03amWhere do we sign the petition here in California? I’m ready for war if necessary.
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texmex1973
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 7:18amI’m from PA, so if that actually happened, I would pack my bags and move west of the Mississippi River within the hour. At least I would be living with people who actually want to work for a living and not want to eat from the trough of Big Government.
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gsp9993
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 7:36amIt’s worse than that. The elite east, the Marxist Middle and the wacky west all need to go it alone. The rest of us are tired of paying for their sins..
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mjonz
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 8:07amOh, well wouldn’t that just solve everything. If we’re at that point, maybe a better use of that energy would be to stand up for a change and fight (peacefully of course) for what we believe. Is it time we reread the Federalist Papers?
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Do Not Panic All is Well
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 8:31amWell we could convince enough state legislatures to summon a Constitutional Convention. The dark part could be that in doing so ALL agendas are on the table. We need to be careful what we wish for. On the other hand at this point we are losing freedoms day by day. A shake up in Washington is needed but we will have to work slowly.
I suggest we take back our schools. Stop the indoctrination of children. Teach them citizenship and the Constitution. That’s how the liberals got control. In some aspects conservatives are getting there. We now have 30 states with a Republican governor, almost as many with a conservative legislature. House Republicans need to go to them and work with them and reach out to Libertarians. Start our own ground operations . Push into the cities s much as possible. We can take our lives back from Washington DC. We must start now. Today.
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tifosa
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:03amSTATES petition to seceded? Has even one STATE petitioned to secede? LOL uh no.
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Old Ogre
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 12:01pmHey! No frikin way!! Many of us up here in the FAR northeast are conservatives and have been since before the liberal infestation. We are just waiting for the other shoe to fall and then when things get bad they will leave for warmer weather in droves!!
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KNEP
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 2:33pmHey, unfair to those of us who are conservative, not “progressive/leftist/insane” and live in the western states!
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BOLDNESS
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 1:19pmI have a better idea. Lets sign a petition to have a total recount, keep the union together and not let him swear in again. It is time to show him who he is working for. WE WANT A NEW PRESIDENT.
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muleshoe
Posted on November 16, 2012 at 1:19amLincoln slaughtered up tp 750,000 Americans, (southern civilians and military) for exercising their right to seceed. If anyone can prove secession was illegal, show me. It was never a Civil War. The South wanted to peacefully leave the Union and become a new nation. It was Lincoln whose incompetence as a leader started the war. He was a tyrant and a racist. Lincoln as an American hero is a myth. It was a political war for power and money. It set our nation back more than a hundred years.
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muleshoe
Posted on November 16, 2012 at 1:30amAdd your comments
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muleshoe
Posted on November 16, 2012 at 1:32amIt is the only way we will ever be a free people again.
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nan4444
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 1:11pmThe president thumbs his nose at the constitution at his whim and decides that it means something when HE thinks it should. Gee…what’s wrong with this picture? If what it says doesn’t matter with our rights to protect ourselves from the tyranny of a nutty grabby and dangerous government, then I think we should not be influenced by the “no right to secede” . Then, people, are we just subjects of this twisted idea of “government” or do we still have a choice in the matter? I think that 300,000,000 people slightly outnumber the 500 or so in the US government. Those people up there have forgotten who they work for, I do believe! It’s high time for a serious “housecleaning” in DC. They are all running wild up there, and it will not continue for much longer probably. They are all shooting themselves in the foot, & eventually all we the people will have to do is sweep the remains of the trash out the door and let it blow away. All the money made goes either to foreigners who hate us or to the pockets of our so-called “governing bodies”, And THE PEOPLE KNOW IT!!! As a result, people are starving and losing their homes and livelihoods…AND THE PEOPLE KNOW WHY!
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Shenandoahvalleyminuteman
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:13pmThe country must stand together. I’m not sure what the best way to fix our problems are but fifty little country’s sounds like a joke. I say only property owners can vote. That would be a great start. Or only tax payers? As long as moochers are getting bussed to the polls and a free pack of smokes we will continue going down the crapper. God bless
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rsanchez1
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:26pmIt won’t stay at 50 little countries for long, if history is any guide.
Also, what really needs to happen is the repeal of the 17th Amendment. Even with popular vote, the House remained in Republican hands, but the much tougher Senate didn’t. States shouldn’t secede, they should assert their power. Reclaim their power to appoint senators through state legislatures. Make the Senate responsive to the needs of the States instead of to a party. The popular vote makes sense when it is so fine-grained like the House is on a district level, not when it represents only the interests of a major metropolitan center instead of all people in a state, as it is in the Senate today.
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Keatonc333
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:27pmYou do know.. of the ten states with the highest amount of people on government assistance per capita.. 9 of those ten went for Romney.. funny huh? those moochers!
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BODYBAG
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:27pm@SHENANDOAHVALLEYMINUTEMAN
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:13pm
The country must stand together.
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I seriously doubt you’ll reconcile this first sentence of yours with the rest of your post.
And THAT is why this is taking place —- because its impossible.
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DADDYWOREAWHITEHAT
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:35pmExactly. The only votes to count are the ones paying for the tab! If you don’t pay anything in you shouldn’t have a say in what goes out,
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WarMunger_Al
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:48pmThe country has been separate for a while, sometimes it is better to let go and move on. Just like 50% of the Marriages in the States of America. When the horse becomes lame, it is more humane to put it out of it’s misery.
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WarMunger_Al
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:53pmIt would be like Europe, why would that be funny? States should be countries.
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jimbo_from_suwanee
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:59pmThe country defined in the Constitution is NO MORE, and I will not stand with socialist elitists and their 47-Parasites. There is nothing to left for which to stand. There are two people standing in the street waiting for the noon time clock to chime. When it happens it, happens fast.
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The Giver
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 10:08pmWho says we can’t bus some of those folks too, give them refreshments and a real chance of escaping the Democrat plantation. Many college students went to events, and were bussed right to vote. They were probably told that college will be free. Nothing is free when the price is liberty. We can get those voters too. The ones that think Socialism is someone being social! But instead of forgetting them in horrible neighborhoods, they would start businesses and instead of getting a piece of the pie, they will make their own pie. We can get busses and smokes and opportunity for freedom.
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RebelPatriot
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 10:08pmIf the federal government wasn’t interfering with what the states were supposed to do for themselves you wouldn’t have 50 little countries. You would have 50 states united under a federal government that fairly represented those states. Not a monarchy by King Barrack Hussein Obama, attempting to tell those he feels are not politically correct enough, overly religious, wealthier or less intelligent how they should live their lives.
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J-in-Fla
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 10:17pmKEATON- you mean those staunchly conservative states of Connecticut, Virginia, New Mexico, Maryland, and Hawaii? That’s 5 of the top ten that went blue this election. But to be fair, my liberal friend has spouted your lie too, which got me looking. Keep telling a lie enough times and sheeple will believe it. I’m happy to expose the lies one by onel Keep em coming.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 10:36pmseems like a lot of folks around here like the idea of secession – which is cool with me…
However, just last week, almost everyone voted for the “lesser of two evils”. So one week you are compromising your principles to vote for a progressive/moderate Mitt Romney…..And the next week it is hell or high water??? Pardon me, but it sounds a bit hypocritical. I voted for Gary Johnson and even I am not running for the exits
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RepubliCorp
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:49pmI already know what side the military would take. Take a guess Code Pink boys and girls. Let the American spring start.
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Shadowcaster
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:09am@KEATON…
Blatant lies will carry you nowhere here. Peddle them elsewhere.
Breathing methane for such an extended period of time has done irreversible brain damage to you.
You’re just too damaged to realize it.
But the rest of us see it.
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AZfreeman
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 11:51am@Shenanddoah
“…As long as moochers are getting bussed to the polls and a free pack of smokes we will continue going down the crapper…”
I agree with the idea that only property owners or tax payers should vote. In other words, if you don’t have a clue what America is about, don’t tell the rest of us how to do it!!! If you are satisfied taking freebies the country will give you, then it’s time for us to limit those freebies to mere crumbs. This is not a new concept. “He who does not work, shall not eat”.
Of course in today’s society that will be seen as politically incorrect and establish a whole new segment of social ‘victims’. Those poor “non-voters” !!! They just had a deprived upbringing…they are mostly minorities, so this must be racist….if only we established better educational opportunities for them etc. “The poor will always be with us”. However, it’s also true that you can’t make a poor man rich by making a rich man poor.
I live in AZ and we have always been a Conservative State, but illegal immigrants from Mexico and Californication have turned AZ to a purple state. I would probably move to the first State to get serious about State rights or Succeed. ..rf
“Do not blame Caesar, blame the people of Rome who have so enthusiastically acclaimed and adored him and rejoiced in their loss of freedom and danced in his path and gave him triumphal processions. Blame the people who hail him when he speaks in the Forum of the
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AZfreeman
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 11:59am“Do not blame Caesar, blame the people of Rome who have so enthusiastically acclaimed and adored him and rejoiced in their loss of freedom and danced in his path and gave him triumphal processions. Blame the people who hail him when he speaks in the Forum of the ‘new, wonderful, good society’ which shall now be Romes” — Marcus Tullius Cicero
[interpreted to mean: more money, more ease, more security, more living fatly at the expense of the industrious.]
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Wisdom7
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 11:45pmInstead of everyone wasting their time with petitions to secede, why not petition to repeal the 17th Amendment? Wouldn’t that make more sense? The two senators for each state were originally elected by each state’s legislature, not a general election, and therefore kept each states interest in mind. The 17th amendment changed that. Now both the congress and senate are elected by general election of the people, which is not how our government was supposed to be!
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gooeylewie
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:12pmIt’s kind of funny. The last time we were at this point, states were seceding to keep slavery. Now they are kicking around the idea to liberate their people from it.
Wow, Marx’s concept of “the Negation of the Negation” is in full effect, it only took a full blown Marxist to get us here to witness it.
I don’t know about you guys, buy Democratic Feudalism (Socialism) or Democratic Slavery (Communism) do not sound like moving forward and making progress to me.
Change is coming to America, let’s make sure we finish the job this time around.
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Keatonc333
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:28pmhahaha slavery? you want to compare a modest tax increase on the wealthiest americans slavery? you my friend are disgusting!
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Flyingfish
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:44pmKeaton,
If I point a gun at you only 2 days a week (you fair share, just ask Obama) to work in my fields would you be happy about that? Does a “modest” increase to 3 days a week still seem fair at this point to you?
What would you call a person who has to work for someone else for free anything other than a slave, maybe an indentured servant?
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JL320
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:55pmThe C.S.A. was about to outlaw slavery before the civil war ever started. Winners make history. Slavery had nothing to do with it. The south was paying for 80% of the north, and started to put up a fuss about it. The north started taking farms, lands, and eventually raping southern women. John Wilks Booth was one of the most famous actors of his time with a lot to live for. He didn’t kill Lincoln because he was mad about slavery. He killed him because he was a traitor to this country. Today conservatives are all called racist, even though it’s complete B.S., if the liberals get their way we will all be known the same as the C.S.A. a bunch of racist hate mongers. It’s all B.S.. It was then, and it is now.
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Margyt
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:55pmKeaton, you are woefully ignorant of the issues. Too bad, wish I could help enlighten you but I’m afraid it is too late.
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LoboTX
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:56pmYou do not have a clue. It it NOT just the tax increase – it’s the culture of this overbearing, regulate everything (and tax everything) federal gov’t. It’s about POWER. Go read “1984″ by Orwell and get back to us.
Fool.
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WarMunger_Al
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:57pmKeaton-
if you rely on the government for sustenance, you are a slave to the government’s whims. go back to your plantation slave, leave the discussion to men and women who enjoy freedom.
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KidCharlemagne
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 10:03pmgooeylewie
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:12pm
It’s kind of funny. The last time we were at this point, states were seceding to keep slavery.
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The Union had no objection to slavery at that particular point in time:
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The Corwin Amendment is a proposed amendment to the United States Constitution passed by the 36th Congress, 2nd Session, on March 2, 1861, in the form of House (Joint) Resolution No. 80. It would forbid subsequent attempts to amend the Constitution to empower the Congress to “abolish or interfere” with the “domestic institutions” of the states, including “persons held to labor or service” (a reference to slavery).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corwin_Amendment
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christhefanatic
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 10:37pmKeton: So what you’re saying is that taking something from a wealthy person is, as if by magic, not so bad as taking something from a poorer person. I think people on the right wing tend to believe in finite truths…a concept alien to the left..who tend to believe that the ends (if those ends are”good”) justify the means. What is true today is true yesterday is true tomorrow. Thou shall not steal. The big problem with socialism…whether it functionally works or not…( most on this blog would agree that it does not)…is that it is immoral. (Abortion=a functional means of maintaining population…alas, also immoral) Taking something out of that wealthy guy’s pocket and giving it to this poor guy is not what the right wing would call”being charitable”. To be charitable…you are required to take it only out of your pocket…Then you are a charitable person. But if you take it out of that guy’s pocket…you are only a thief.
Stop me…I beginning to ramble..
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vennoye
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:47amGooeylewie: For goodness sakes, get your facts right……the war between the North and South was over the tariffs the North wanted to impose on the South. Slavery was not the primary issue…it would have worked itself out without the war. Replace the word tariffs with the word taxes……and replace North and South with Red States and Blue States and walla, we are back to Lincoln’s time. Strange, we have had 3 presidents from Illinois……two of them have had policies so good that people wanted to secede away from their governance.
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Armyduderetired
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:12pmWhere do I sign? Give me a link.
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LakeHartwellSailor
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:27pmGo to change.org like the article says. I found the petition for Georgia. Looks like I’m only the second one to sign it though.
It’s a pipe dream….and I do agree with another commenter that we as a nation need to stand together. However, I signed the petition to make a statement; not necessarily to actually secede from the union; but writing my house and senate representatives does not seem to have much effect.
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Misty Williams
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:43pmNOT at change.org. Here is the site:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions
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STawbush
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:00pmhttps://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions
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338lapua
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 8:27amHere is Wisconsin’s. Still below the 150 mark to get listed publicly.
http://wh.gov/9AZz
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338lapua
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 8:50amJust remember, comrade Obama will NOT grant any of these petitions. He needs the money. Besides secession is never going to be bloodless. This is plain and simple civil dis-obedience. I encourage everyone to sign as many as you can. Lets get the numbers huge. I want to see dear leader sweat.
Please help Wisconsin become the 31st recognized petition.
http://wh.gov/9AZz
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Akira88
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:12pmIt may be about time.
Listening to all the Republican talking heads, i.e. Bill OReilly, Krystal, these guys need to decide whether or not they need to change parties. We haven’t had a decent Republican candidate since Reagan.
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lirae
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:17pmAnd who’s fault is that?. Romney would have been a devoted president. I think we would have had another George Washington. I don’t know if he could perform miracles but he sure would have tried.
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grayling646
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:21pmIf you think either of those two are Republicans you don’t know much.
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2AM
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:45pmGeorge Washington was not a republican.. Party wasn’t even created yet…
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BlackCrow
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 10:34pmRINOS or Tea Party? Little but of a difference between North East RINOS and conservatives.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 10:56pmi cant believe we got McCain and Romney and establishment republicans are still knocking the Tea Party. If not for Tea Party, republicans would be extinct by now
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TEXASGRANNY73
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:14pmO’Reilly is Independent.
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dimitrisokolov
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:17pmYou mean the Reagan who gave amnesty to all of the illegals who just voted for Democrats? Reagan…lol.
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Mil-Dot
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 11:13am@LIRAE
You do know that Dem Progs go and vote in Republican primaries to “help” choose the nominee and they always go against true conservatives. You do know that don’t you?
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castaways
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:11pmI live in Alaska and I know a lot of us would love to be separated…We are new to being part of the United States and I am sure that no one would miss us..Hell, most of the people in the lower when asked they don’t know anything about Alaska, where it is or that it is even a state. I think the only thing they know is somebody named Palin ran for office…..The Fed’s don’t even know much about us except we have a valuable resource (OIL) and they want their fare share…
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Polarized America
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:25pm.
……….who’s Palin ?
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snowshooze
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:27pmYep, and I am certain that many would look favorably upon re-forming a Union with select States such as Louisiana, Texas, Montana, Idaho and a few other remaining bastions of Civilization…lol
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Polarized America
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:29pm.
have you ever heard of the ” Alaskan Independence Party “…?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaskan_Independence_Party
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rsanchez1
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:30pmHey, at least the Japanese cared enough to invade some outlying Alaskan islands, and the lower 48 cared enough to get them out of there. Also, according to Wikipedia this was said by General Billy Mitchell to Congress in 1935:
“I believe that in the future, whoever holds Alaska will hold the world. I think it is the most important strategic place in the world.”
They didn’t make you a state just because.
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mudbitedlite
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:51pmI too live in Alaska and agree whole heartedly with succession. I live on a small little island in southeast AK tucked away from the rest of the world. Honestly the only thing that reminds the community that we are part of a country is when the government regulates our natural resources. During the Clinton admin we had a pulp mill that employed 8000 – 10000 people year round until he shut it down and everyone packed up their bags and moved off the rock. Then to top it all off he declared a state of emergency for the town giving the ship yard 25 million to pick up the unemployed and do some work for the military and the yard owner pocketed the money didn’t hire anyone and sent a report in saying it couldn’t be done due to our weather. That was that and now our main industry is tourism. We sell our natural beauty to the lower 48 every summer and they take a little with them every year leaving the shops boarded up during the winter and looking like a ghost town. That’s the benefit of being a part of the union???
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revelation2012
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 10:11pmthis should be removed off the planet H.A.A.R.P. ???? tesla
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Git-R-Done
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:27pmSnowshooze – You’re not smart enough to get that TX, AK, LA, and MT have lots of oil reserves. ID, AK, LA, and MT have lots of timber resources. They all have strong agriculture industries. LA and AK have strong fishing industries. And those are industries that are essential to any economy (I doubt that you know that since you know nothing about economics). At least those states aren’t filled with hatethiests such yourself who want to abolish freedom of religion.
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yubetcha
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 10:27amM1A2_Tanker
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:25am
snowshooze,
….The fact that you all were too stuck up and have Obama win again than to vote for Gary Johnson tells me your not serious about anything but crying on the internet like a bunch of sissies. Shame on you all!
Actually, M12, shame on you and everyone else who voted for Paul or Johnson! It was shown in a chart that if YOUR votes were combined with Romney’s voters, Romney would have won INSTEAD of Obama. That means that businesses who were holding money till after the election would be hiring INSTEAD of laying people off. They won’t hire because of Obama’s job-killing regulations and the cost of Obamacare. That ALSO means that we probably would not have all of these petitions to secede. That ALSO means that we would have Romney’s policies instead of Obama’s NDAA, marxism, etc. And anyone who says there was no difference between the two don’t know what they are talking about. There WAS! So thanks a lot for all of this!
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M1A2_Tanker
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 3:01pmyubetcha,
That is a LIE! This Election didn’t even have the same turnout as in ’08 Both parties had less voters at the polls so Don’t give me your BS. Romney IS a Big Government RINO. End of story. Obama would still have won the Electoral College if Libertarians had all voted for Romney, Go back and re-check your “Chart” Then do the math yourself. Both (d)emocrats and (r)epublicans have been slowly working to bring us where we are, No Libertarian Candidate has. All your Hated and dreadful Policies have come from R’s and D’s, Not those who stand for Freedom, Real Freedom not the R. or D. Catchphrase version. If you continue to lie to yourselves and others about the real roots of this countries problems you will never see the truth. Bush signed the first TAARP, The Patriot Act, Obama not only re-signed them but expanded them and added NDAA, Romney was only another rubber stamp for the Elitist’s. Our guy’s didn’t sign anything close to resembling these. Wake-UP. If you can’t see the real problem then you are part of it! The only way the R’s could get re-elected if they vowed to completely ignore social issues and stop tying to legislate morality. But if they did that then they would also just vote for the Libertarian so it will never happen again. You made this bed please enjoy it while it still has the same name, Or do something meaningful to change it, like maybe get out at least the same R’s to vote that did in ’08, but most likely you’ll need more than ’08
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Netsurfer2
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:11pmI believe many Americans are fed up with the Liberal agenda and want clean decent normal neighborhoods (without drugs, without gays pushing their ideas, without sex offenders having more rights than you do, without big government telling you what you can and cannot do, without the school system propagating their liberal agenda, without high taxes and without taking our guns away!) Many people are sick of the way the governments stance is. I don’t blame them in wanting a better life style for their kids, better neighborhoods, better schools and safer living standards! I”m so sick of gangs, our schools agenda, our standards being forced gradually lower as time goes! Enough is enough! People need to bind together in certain states and bring back a better life for their families sake! It’s not about discrimination, its about living in a neighborhood where you don’t need to feel threatened by low educational standards, governmental dominance over the peoples will and having the pursuit of happiness! Growth is not up to the government, it’s up to the people and this President is taking us backwards! The Constitution is being slowly taken away as time goes! Let’s restore those rights! I don’t want to live in socialism or communism, nor want to be under the wing of someone who hates colonialism!
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lirae
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:19pmAmen. My thoughts exactly. We are so screwed up! I have a liberal son who chants constantly about the big corporations and their theivery. However, lack of morals is evidenced from the man taking the dole to the man at the top. WE all need to work on the improvement of self and grow into the human people God wanted us to be.
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Grey Eagle
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:36pmYep you hit the nail on the head. I am sick and tired of the liberal agenda.
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drs1969
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 10:08pmI agree w/ everyhing except the discrimination part. Blacks voted 94% for their man. They voted 19,605 to 0 in several Philly precincts.
Wake up white folks. They have lived on the dole for 40+ years w/o ever looking for 1 darn job. They voted as block to continue their freeloading. Brainwashed whites voted 40% for national suicide. The ‘death culture’ has won. Now watch the collapse.
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Metallicat
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:53amI agree. I am sick of the liberal agenda too. I say either they go or we go.
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DrNiblik
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 8:19amToo right. Well said!
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Cavy2see
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 11:23pmWow are we a mess on here…seceding is not a good thing … we have to get the left out of Rep. and Dem. and the ones that may squeakin’ into the other parties…communists marxists can lie very good to the people…we the people have to see their agenda…God Help us now…please…it is like the Dems don’t see anything is wrong…and the leftist in Rep. don’t see it too…wow…I am on another planet now I think…goofy as that sounds…but why are people wanting these horrible stances…gay marriage…legal drugs…they also want free insurance…and free medical items…I don’t want anything free…they always come with a string attached to it…common sense no one gives you anything for free we pay the price…so sad about election…I am sure there was fraud…sad….
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JeffDouglas
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:11pmWhat’s 40,000 or even 400,000 signatures from Texas to the Obama administration? Only an annoyance that should be stamped out if it becomes too much of an inconvenience for their agenda.
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Mr.buff1959
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:26pmYou are obviously not a native Texan.
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JMJMX4
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:53pmWhy not let people “act” on their principals. It’s so much better than taking it.
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Armyduderetired
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 10:05pmTell that to those Cadets at Texas A&M with freshman quarterback Johnny Football leading the charge and knocking off the top seed Crimson Tide in their house. After each score he pointed to sky and gave thanks to God. We are a nation under God and I ain’t givin’ up ever!
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M1A2_Tanker
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:48amJeffDouglas,
Your right…..It Amounts to an Enemies list, A list that was handed over freely by people who really won’t do anything meaningful about they way they feel except whine on the Internet. I have a feeling the petitions were started by the (o)bama regime to begin with. The country will fail before the (r)epublican Ideologues vote for true Liberty and stand up against candidates like Romney. They Deserve the Slavery that they have voted for nearly a century!
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DonaldH
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:10pmMaybe some day soon I can too can cry out “FREE AT LAST- GOD ALMIGHTY FREE AT LAST”
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Keatonc333
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:27pmName ONE way Obama has stripped ONE freedom from you!
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NOCOMMIESPLZ
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:45pm@KEATONC333
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:27pm
Name ONE way Obama has stripped ONE freedom from you!
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My freedom of religion and concience, to NOT have my tax dollars go towards funding of abortions now enshrined in Obamacare. Want more???
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Eastinfection
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:49pmOK KEATON….
Not Obama specifically but, under his watch, the EPA RPP Lead Paint mandate has made it impossible for me to work on houses built before 1978 without investing thousands of dollars i don’t have or face enormous fines for violating the mandate… I’m a home- repair/ painting contractor and older houses were my specialty and the bread and butter of my business… the guidelines were made by a bunch of suits in a backroom somewhere that have no idea about the realities of actually performing labor….. covering entire houses and yards with 6 mil plastic, miles of blue masking tape, holding areas, shower facilities, EPA approved shopvacs (of which there are only 2), neighbors approval, warning-hazard signs… and i have to pack it up & send my guys home if it gets windy (but pay them anyway)… all to repair and paint some rotten siding… my customers can’t absorb these costs!… they just hire the unlicensed/ uninsured guys to do the work who don’t follow the guidelines in the mandate.. It more than triples the cost of every friggin job for me! I’ve already let go of half my staff and most of my competitors have, too. We are getting killed, here.
Look it up…. EPA RPP Mandate… Job Killer thanks to Green-on-the-brains morons.
BTW… homeowners are not subjected to penalties.. only licensed contractors have to comply or else!
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LoboTX
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 10:04pmKevin – Here’s one for you ! How about the right to drill on federal minerals in Colorado that were already paid for and leased that we were going to drill, frac, and produce oil on ?
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k2weaver
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:21pm@Keaton….. Obamacare
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Keatonc333
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:05amOh yes ObamaCare! giving 40 million people health insurance… Hows that strip one right of yours again?
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Rockapine
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:23amFirst of all…the idea of secession is commendable.
BUT and it is a very BIG but…
You do not ask permission to secede.
You determine if it is right and just, and necessary, then you proceed.
If you feel you have to ask permission, you don’t have what it takes.
Do you really think Unca Sam will pat you on the head and say sure, go play house and then come back if it doesn’t work?
No. Man up, Texas, and come on if you’re comin’. When one falls, the rest will tumble, and I’d love to have a Texas address and never pack my things to move.
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Eastinfection
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 7:24amNotice Keaton didn’t reply to my example.. which is very real and immediate and devastating an entire industry that was already crippled.
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chicago76
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 10:54amElections do not matter anymore. They are irrelevant. Once Obama defrauded our country and turned the electoral system against us he set himself against all of us. The election process no longer works. It cannot be fixed.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 11:09amAw, poor Keaton, sounds just like Bush supporters with their exact same question.
NDAA. Look it up, cultist.
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Matrix22
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:08pmI love how Keaton thinks that 40 Million people will “magically” get insurance. How is that going to be paid for? Oh yeah, but punishing a select group of people for their success and giving it to another for their laziness.
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Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:09pmThis country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it.-Abraham Lincoln
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NOCOMMIESPLZ
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 10:02pm@ Keaton, 60% of the military would be on our side and don’t think they aren’t a little upset about not even getting their ballots in time to vote. Go troll somewhere else.
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drs1969
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 10:17pmHey Buster Boy Keaton. How ’bout the fact that the hicks in Afghanistan have repelled the Russians and now the uS, in the last 25 years. Not to mention their other invaders. Then go look at Vietnam. Then look at US Independence. It’s the fight in the dog that counts. You’re sounding like a brainwashed high school kid.
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Keatonc333
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 10:21pm60% of the military…. NONE of the equipment. ; )
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DEFCON4
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 10:24pm@keaton, Your post reminds me of the “revolutionary war scenario”.
You do remember, the farmers with muskets put a beat-down on the
British Empire….
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k2weaver
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 10:56pmthere is way more than 60% of the military. these are peaceful requests. we were cheated, massively, and snookered and nobody is asking questions. time to secede.
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Keatonc333
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:06amDear deacon 4 the british didn’t have missiles, drones, tanks and nukes…
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DEFCON4
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:00am@ Keaton, “Yikes” At least, I thought, you would understand
“scenario”, in it’s context. Silly me,http://youtu.be/J6_1Pw1xm9U..
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BARELYHANGINGON
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:07pmI just started a petition on the White House petitions site, We the
People. Will you sign it? http://wh.gov/9s4v
Cut and paste to browser and sign (they won’t even post it to the web site until we get 150 signatures)
Please all Ohioans, stake a claim to what we could be….not what we have become. Sign and let D.C. know we are DONE with their antics.
Once a petition gets more than 25,000 signatures, the Administration must address it by law.
We’ll see (they haven’t followed the Constitution so far)
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vennoye
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:08amOn https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions, there is already a petition for Ohio that has over 3,000 signatures on it.
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mamatango
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:32amAs I see it, the problem on the Petition site is that there are duplicate petitions from a few states. Each has a separate quote of signatures required. That makes NO SENSE! Why didn’t folks from South Carolina and Oklahoma just sign the original petition instead of starting a second? They are defeating their own purposes.
Plus, it takes all those signatures just to get——”A RESPONSE.” And probably just from some WH flunkie. Or maybe even what? Just a big, flat, flowery NO from the O himself…
I’d like to think it is an answer, but am doubting it will do anything. Now, VOTER FRAUD, that’s a whole other ballgame if proven! But, then, what do we get? Another RINO?
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KidCharlemagne
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:07pmOnce you’re in then you can never get out:
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What Shall Be Done for a Revenue?
New York Evening Post
March 12, 1861
There are some difficulties attending the collection of the revenue in the seceding states which it will be well to look at attentively.
That either the revenue from duties must be collected in the ports of the rebel states, or the ports must be closed to importations from abroad, is generally admitted. If neither of these things be done, our revenue laws are substantially repealed; the sources which supply our treasury will be dried up; we shall have no money to carry on the government; the nation will become bankrupt before the next crop of corn is ripe.
New York Evening Post (March 12, 1861): “What Shall Be Done For A Revenue?”
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soybomb315_II
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:15pmKid, always enjoy your posts. I will have to check out the AHA. Of course, tariffs were a big reason for the civil war as well as hostilities for the previous 50 years. It was like their version of Obamacare
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drs1969
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 10:30pmLincoln funded his war by printing ‘Greenbacks’ and inflation soared. His war would have been stopped in it’s tracks with honest, gold-backed money. Sound familiar? When they can’t tax it away from us, they print it away.
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Nerzhul
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:06pmWell, It wont just be a Neo Confederacy, the cuntry if this continues and gains steam will in fact break up into multiple Sub nations. That’s my theory
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soybomb315_II
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:15pmit’s all talk. They had a chance to stand up in the republican primary and general election and both times, they went for Romney. This is just a way for them to blow off some frustration.
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Mil-Dot
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 11:46amSoy,
You do know that Dem prog commies go and vote in the Republican primaries to water down the choice of true consevatives don’t you. You do know that progs went and voted for Romney right?
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LeaveMeBe
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:05pm“For this you have every inducement of sympathy and interest. Citizens, by birth or choice, of a common country, that country has a right to concentrate your affections. The name of american, which belongs to you, in your national capacity, must always exalt the just pride of Patriotism, more than any appellation derived from local discriminations. With slight shades of difference, you have the same religion, manners, habits, and political principles. You have in a common cause fought and triumphed together; the Independence and Liberty you possess are the work of joint counsels, and joint efforts, of common dangers, sufferings, and successes. But these considerations, however powerfully they address themselves to your sensibility, are greatly outweighed by those, which apply more immediately to your interest. Here every portion of our country finds the most commanding motives for carefully guarding and preserving the Union of the whole.” …. “With such powerful and obvious motives to Union, affecting all parts of our country, while experience shall not have demonstrated its impracticability, there will always be reason to distrust the patriotism of those, who in any quarter may endeavour to weaken its bands.”
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Akira88
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:18pmSo, what’s your point?
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Akira88
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:45pmThe Republican leaders need to get out of the way of those who are serious Republicans, Conservatives, Tea Partiers and some Libertarians. The leadership considers us “nuts” but we’re the ones they come to for money. They pander to us during the primary and forget about us during the actual campaign.
The Left embraces their freaks setting policies around them. Our leadership is embarrassed of us over on the Right. The Rove’s are the ones who need to change their party. I will not support one more Republican who is a moderate. I did it this time because the stakes were high. But when the stakes are high the leadership caves and ignores us. They lay blame on us.
Shame on you O’Reilly, Rove, Morris, Coulter …. all you folks who believe that life is conditional, happiness is appealing to the masses by contorting the platform, and dismissing those who have held our nose while pulling the lever.
By the way, we need to go back to the old voting booths. This paper ballot leaves too large a margin of error.
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LeaveMeBe
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 10:38pmMitt Romney, John McCain, Glenn Beck, all lost this election because a vote for Mitt Romney or John McCain was never a vote for real freedom and even the dumbest liberal sniffed out the underlining oppression spewing from the loser of the 2012 and 2008 elections. Neither candidate showed any interest in individual rights, just states rights and thereby lost a huge number of people who live different lifestyles. A whole bunch of the liberal agenda is not people of the ghetto pushing against the Federal Gov’t but them fending off the States and their conservative police state agenda. If the conservatives would back off at the State level on the issues that affect only individuals rights of choice then they can start to win back the huge number of gay, atheist (as much as I hate to admit them), drug using conservatives I know to exist, (marijuana: do the damn research people and legalize it, quit being SO DAMN STUPID AND HYPOCRITICAL.)
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soybomb315_II
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:05pmi wish the founders would have created a government where every state has to decide every 10 years whether to remain in the union….The founders should have made it clear that the union is voluntary
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KingCoal59
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:16pmAgree.
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Mutiny
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:22pmThat or some of those men still being alive to get this ball rolling. Instead we have Romney, McCain, Graham, and Boehner.
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v15
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:26pm100% agree
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Triple7
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:54pmAnd it would have been amended out of existence. But I agree never the less.
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Mr.buff1959
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:05amI totally agree. Well said.
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Inlightofthings
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 9:18amSOY: They counted on courage instead….
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soybomb315_II
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 9:35amyou mean like courage to vote your principles instead of your party???
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Inlightofthings
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 11:51amYou want it both ways SOY. You keep saying “we” ended up with McCain and then Romney; There is no “we” in that. Your candidate lost, as did ours and “we” ended up with Obama. I could be wrong, but I don’t suspect the Founders believed that once a tyrannical government was identified to be such, that it would be resolved at the voting booth. I’m still a little baffled why you still post here, saying the same things yet offering nothing. I would not view you as courageous as I see the same level of courage required to vote your principles as to not vote at all. I do see value in applying pressure where it can have an impact, ie GOP Governors and their honoring the 10th Amendment. The secession stuff is a bit nonsensical, after all many that use the word here spell it “succession”. Makes me wonder…
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soybomb315_II
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:04pmi am promoting the idea of voting your conscience – as crazy as that sounds. The founders would have wanted it so.
And I am not thrilled about secession either. It is hypocritical to vote for Romney and then if he doesnt win – act like it is the end of the world. Romney would have done nothing to fix this country
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Mable8
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:00pmThe Founding Fathers DID make it clear that any State may withdraw; it is the current administration that ignores that fact. Not one State is oblligated to remain in the Union of the States; Lincoln ILLEGALLY called for the War Between the States because he knew the North could not survive without the South.
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goodone121
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 5:30pm@Mabel8, I have to stick up for the Sixteenth President of the United States, here-the reason he called for the Civil War was the Southern States were, in violation of Natural Law and therefore sinfully, keeping slaves. Nothing will budge me from my position, but I WILL say this-the people who are sinfully opposing God, and those on God’s side, have (rather ironically) switched sides.
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Inlightofthings
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 7:06pmI’ll say what I’ve ALWAYS said; it’s the end of the world…as we knew it. You seem like you might still be standing around the water cooler whining about upper management when you should just get your a$$ back to work or get another job.
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Uechi
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:03pmHeaded for civil war or revolution . It may not happen under Barrack the Magic Messiah but is coming, watch and see.
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Reclaiming Our Nation
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:08pmMessage from beyond the grave:
http://reclaimingournation.blogspot.com/2012/11/socialism-is-evil-empire.html
List of states and links to counts of signatures:
http://reclaimingournation.blogspot.com/2012/11/states-petition-to-secede.html
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Guitarcarl
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:40pmThe signs are pointing that way. We certainly cannot keep going the way we are.
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wzanesdad
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 10:15pmgreat site…thanks for the post.
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ChristianConservative76
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:03pmGod bless Texas. I see no better alternative.
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skippy6
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:03pmTime to pack up and move away from the USSA to keep the more perfect union intact… Goodbye Washington!!!!!
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Spyderco
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:03pmWhy not? This not the same country I grew up in and this country can not stand on its own much longer.
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BODYBAG
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:02pm“If this turns out to be more than the discontented murmurings of a single state, this story may get ugly.”
LOL
I think most people here know the answer already. And IT NEEDS to get ugly.
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Triple7
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:51pmThis is exactly what the regime wants. Ugly. Then the Dear Leader can evoke National Defense Authorization Act and finish the fundamental transformation. It will not be the Marxist’s who fire the first shot.
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Mr.Fitnah
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:02pmId would go to any country willing to follow the Constitution.
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cancerman
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:02pmThe usual snide remarks will
likely start coming out of the woodwork; but a movement is a foot….
Can we do this without a Ft. Sumter moment please????
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Misty Williams
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:42pmPlease and Amen!
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UnwantedFoe
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:02pmHm, I wonder if Idaho has a petition for me to sign
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crr
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:14pmStart one
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UnwantedFoe
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:20pmSeems I may have to since Idaho isn’t on the list
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FlowerBell
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 4:02amHow is it possible Oregon is on the list and Idaho is not?
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338lapua
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 9:33amI agree with the others, start one, it is hard to get the initial 150 signatures, but then you are public on the website and anyone can then see it.
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marybethelizabeth
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:02pmAlthough Mr. Holt is correct, he did not go far enough.
It is not only this story that is ugly. Every story with Mr. Holt’s byline that I’ve seen falls into the same category.
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M13
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:11pmJust like Mary’s post all fall into the category of stupidity.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:17pmFreeeeeeeeeeedom!!!
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Stelex
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:27pmWhen it goes down, I would really like to meet you MarybethWTF…….it would be and interesting evening. I’ll buy.
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Mr.Fitnah
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:25pmHey MBE, I don’t think they care about words What about pitchforks and torches?It is sad you are satisfied with such a corrupt Government and media.
Believe you deserve the best out of yourself and others, not slackers and lying ***** and self delusion .
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Git-R-Done
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:02pmWho can blame any of the states for leaving. The federal government is taxing and regulating industries out of existence that are the livelihoods of some states such as the coal industry in West Viriginia and Kentucky.
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KingCoal59
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:20pmThe people who used to earn a living in the coal business feel we are being targeted because some granola head millionaire in California donates to the president. Democrats want to believe in global warming, they need to believe it so al gore can make a living and so their cronies can make tons of money with a myth.
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AbrahamsSheepdog
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:22pmIts the $. They can’t bleed us forever. Well.
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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:40pmYes and the instant one state does declare its independence or even if Obama feels he can use it as an example, say AZ (my home) he will declare an open state of rebellion and the revolution will be on in full. Understand clearly – I say revolution due to he will have declared his tyranny to the world at that point, and we will face the choice of total submission or victory: there will be no in between.
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Git-R-Done
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:39pmKingcoal59 – I grew up in the foothills of CA, where the CA state government is beholden to the coastal elitist environmental wackos that have destroyed the timber, fishing, and agriculture industries in the state.
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amcneil2644
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:15amI cant blame a single state for leaving and support them. At least they are trying to do what’s best for their citizens. It is time to stop giving all our funds to government handouts, stop living under a tyranny, and time to implement the Constitution our founding fathers put in place for us. I am not sure Obama fully understood the big picture when he decided to steal the election. This is turning into one large and wild roller coaster ride. Amen to those who had the courage to put these petitions together and I am sure that there are thousands as witnessed by Texas who support you. I for one am tired of the government taking my hard earned money and giving it to no good entitlement programs, disregarding the lives of four dead people in Libya, Fast and Furious and the list could go on and on. The Lies are never ending. Shame on the people who voted in hopes of getting free stuff instead of your freedom. You have now become a slave to the system. I know I refuse to be one of those people.
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TSUNAMI_22
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:48amCalifornia filed for secession? LMAO, that’s funny !!!
That’s kind of like Ron Jeremy cutting of his own pecker.
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VanceUppercut
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 10:11amWhy secession is unconstitutional:
1- The south did not properly seceed. To seceed, it must be put through ALL of the senate. They did not do that.
2- The Articles of Confederation. Abraham Lincoln stated that the Constitution was a more perfect union than the earlier Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union, but that the Articles had established the permanence of the Union in a binding contract. He called any secession “legally void”.
3- The definition of democracy itself. To be in a democracy, you must work together. The south refused to give an inch, thus they left. That was not democracy, it was just giving up on a system because you refuse to compromise.
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mewnani
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 10:14amGod bless you sir for mentioning us. T^T
My parents have to file bankruptcy because of Obummer’s policies on coal, and the saddest thing: we’re not the only ones. Our whole town is based on coal, and Obummer took it away from us. :(
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FaithfullyMB
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 10:33amWe all know that these petitions will not come to fruitition. It really is just a form of protest and I am glad for it. I wish Romney would fight back at some of this obvious voter fraud…this Administration has a stink about it and I am praying that all the corruption will be exposed. We, the people, need to find ways to tell this foul smelling Administration that we won’t just grin and bear it.
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burnteye86
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 4:28amWho”s California trying to secede from? Mexico?
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