Racist? See the Controversial Victoria’s Secret Outfit Yanked From 2012 Fashion Show
Native American controversies have become something of a running theme of 2012, it seems. After it was revealed that newly-elected Senator Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) claimed such heritage on a number of college and job applications, she was even dubbed “Fauxcahontas” by some in the media.
Warren’s tall tales ended up not bothering the majority of Massachusetts residents, but there’s a new Native American controversy on the horizon– and it’s from the last place you would expect.
The annual Victoria’s Secret fashion show.
Yes, the well-known supplier of women’s garments is under fire for an outfit inspired by Native American heritage, with some shouting cries of “racism.”
Model Karlie Kloss was seen in the fashion show last week with a massive headdress that reached the floor, turquoise jewelry, animal print clothing and tasseled heels.
Here are some pictures from the event:
(Photo: Getty Images)
(Photo: Getty Images)
“Use of the symbols, [culture], art, traditional dress of a culture you don’t care enough to learn about is EXPLOITATION,” one Huffington Post commenter vented. Another added: “Not only is our Sacred Wabonnet being paraded by a bone thin model wearing a smile and [leopard] underwear, the Squash [Blossom] necklace she wears is Sacred to the Dine Navajo people… Genocide and assimilation continues. We are looking for a heartfelt public apology from VS.”
It wasn’t long before Victoria’s Secret did just that, not only apologizing but pulling the look from future broadcasting and advertisements.
The company said in a statement on Sunday, via The Huffington Post:
“We are sorry that the Native American headdress replica used in our recent fashion show has upset individuals. We sincerely apologize as we absolutely had no intention to offend anyone. Out of respect, we will not be including the outfit in any broadcast, marketing materials nor in any other way.”
Do you think the uproar is understandable, or are people starting to cry “racist” a little too often?
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Comments (447)
Rowgue
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:32amIt could be considered sort of blasphemy to the native american culture, since women didn’t wear war bonnets and they are a relatively sacred object in their culture. But that’s all related to their religion, it has nothing to do with their race.
I’m not seeing the racist aspect of it. Nobody was insulting or mocking or attempting to demean native americans.
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The_Jerk
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:41amWho cares if the were trying to demean? End the wussyness.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:44amI’m with Jerk. Nobody in their hyper-sensitive camp gives two flying craps about how much offense they give to any of my beliefs, heroes, idols or great people. That’s fine, but there’s absolutely no requirement on our part whatsoever to respond to their whinging with anything but a smile and a middle finger.
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JQuentinEvermann
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:44amWhy are Native Americans watching this? If they’re so into protecting their culture, shouldn’t they be tanning hides and grinding corn? Or are they too busy drinking and taking their share of slot machine earnings?
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LookingforJustice
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:48amJust spitballing here…
Maybe they are afraid that our newly elected Native Indian, Elizabeth Warren, will want to wear that outfit on swearing in day and again misrepresent how well the costume fits!
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Pontiaku
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:55amRowgue
[It could be considered sort of blasphemy to the native american culture, since women didn’t wear war bonnets]
In other words they’re “sexist”.
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db321
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:58amI have to go back and look – I didn’t notice what she was wearing. Nor do I care, she is hot.
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RANGER1965
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 12:00pmI live in New Mexico, and work with many native Americans. The “male” native Americans that I showed this picture too said alot of four letter words, and made many dire promises. But believe me, none were said in anger… and sensitivity to race, culture, and religion, was the last thing on their minds.
In fact one of them is busy printing some of these pictures off. Somehow I don’t think it’s to show his activist buddies so they can protest Victoria’s Secret.
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biohazard23
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 12:00pmDidn’t Seinfeld have an episode about the hyper-sensitivity thing?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpGfyp6MxkM
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MiriamNConde
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 12:05pmThank you! I’m glad to hear someone else recognize that this is sacred. I was beginning to lose more faith in humanity.
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Rowgue
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 12:05pmYou’re a bunch of f****** idiots. I already said in my post I don’t see the racism in it. Try actually reading a post before you respond to it douche bags.
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Despiser25
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 12:28pmPolitical Correctness is a tool of the Marxist.
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v15
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 1:23pmNOT RACIST!!
I’m getting sick of thin and toned people getting ripped on by people who are fat, unshapely, cottage cheese legs, and MORBIDLY OBESE!! Fat people are GROSS!! But in this politically correct world I get hated on for pointing out the obvious.
Guys: Do not be intimate with unhealthy fat women because you are only reinforcing the idea that you can be fat and still be desirable. It’s like feeding a wild bear. The bear eventually becomes unafraid to ransack campsites so the rangers have to have the bear destroyed.
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v15
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 1:41pmRANGER1965
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 12:00pm
I live in New Mexico, and work with many native Americans. The “male” native Americans that I showed this picture too said alot of four letter words, and made many dire promises. But believe me, none were said in anger… and sensitivity to race, culture, and religion, was the last thing on their minds.
In fact one of them is busy printing some of these pictures off. Somehow I don’t think it’s to show his activist buddies so they can protest Victoria’s Secret.
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Yes, I’m sure your Indian buddy is busy printing off many copies of her picture so he can distribute them to the other males in the tribe so they can all disperse into their own teepees and beat their war drums.
The Indians have always been angry for being pushed back. But it serves them right for being on our land before we got here.
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TxSon
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 1:46pmExactly, being sacrilegious does not equal racism.
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Displacedsoutherner
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 2:10pmBefore ANY public display of anything, read or show this message:
“If anything depicted, discussed or referenced here offends, upsets or otherwise causes discomfort to any segment of our audience, PUT ON YOUR BIG BOY PANTS AND GET OVER IT.”
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Capt_Gregg
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 2:20pmThis is racist only to those with Chris Matthews’ mentality. Because they are so carelessly used, words like racist, sexist, misanthrope, elitist, etc. no longer have the impact they once did. The thin-skinned wusses that b***h and moan about such trivial things undermine the validity of complaints about the real thing. If a Victoria’s Secret model wearing a plains Indian headdress and Navajo jewelry is “racist,” what word is left to describe Indians not being allowed to even enter the terminal building at Sky Harbor Airport in Phoenix, as was the case until the mid 1950s.
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ahberns
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 2:26pmWell they better retroactively go after Cher. She wore a war bonnet in the video of Half-breed.
I am so sick of all this petty crap and the “you’re picking on me.” “Poor, poor pitiful me.” (but that is another song). When are all these sob’s going to grow a pair and stop acting like a bunch of picked on little kids. This is why we have the dirt-bag in the White House and why the country is falling into the pit of history
IT JUST MAKES ME SICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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garylee123
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 2:27pmIs that why they sell them in the reservation gift shops?
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RabidPatriot
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 2:32pmThe great majority of Native American tribes never wore feathers or headdresses. It is mostly a Hollywood fiction. A small handful of plains tribes wear something similar and today it is mostly tourist pow wow nonsense and tribal dance competitions. I say this as a Native American and not the fake kind like Warren. My only offense to the picture is that the headdress is too big and obstructing the view.
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sillyfreshness
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 2:32pmDoesn’t matter if it’s “racist” but what it shows me is some greedy corporation trying to get a rise out of people to sell their product, doesn’t matter who’s toes they step on. It’s all a marketing gimmick by a corporation trying to make a buck no matter how.
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EMC2
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 2:53pmWhen a native American wears the War Bonnet it is called a War Bonnet. When a non-native American pays homage to the native Americans by wearing a replica… it is called a Headdress… a fashion item which one has every right to wear. And pardon me but if the Squash Blossom is so sacred why do the Navajo and Hopi sell them in great quantities to anyone with the money? Squash Blossoms are big money for Navajos and if I pay them the price to buy one you bet I’ll wear it where and when I want. BTW… I was born here so doesn’t that make me a Native American too? There’s a double standard going on here. “Political Correctness is lying to avoid Reality”…
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badswing
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 3:12pmi think i will need to see more so i can come to a conclusion. are there any more pics??
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Truthbeliever2
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 3:17pmRacism is a MYTH!
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Silversmith
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 3:25pmNot seeing anything to get your shorts in a bunch over here. People are too thin skinned. If Native Americans want to keep their imagery to themselves they eventually consign it to oblivion. I would take it as a compliment myself. She’s kinda cute. Why not sexy things up a little? Or is it only OK when it’s the Village People???
Crock o’ Horse Pucky
Silversmith
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19RANDY59
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 4:19pmIdiots from all races, should grow up. I’m so tired of listening to cry babies. Look at the crap we as average white males have to put up with. Being portrayed as Homer Simpson, and the like. It doesn’t upset me, I just laugh at it. Instead of getting all bent out of shape, them Injuns ought to just appreciate the beauty of the outfit.
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WarMunger_Al
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 4:24pmTell them to lay off the booze and get some self respect, then they can command other’s respect. If white man can’t have his own culture, neither can anybody else.
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Im_Bonafide
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 4:32pmRacist, no. But where in the he.ll is PITA? How many spotted owls had to die for that head dress? How many Leopards had to die for that bikini bottom? (Okay, so they could have surgically removed a tuft of leopard skin without the animal even knowing it, to make that thing), But Where Is The OUTRAGE? I am offended that PITA isn’t doing more to defend spotted owls and leopards and, and, the oysters who worked for nothing to make the pearls for that pearl necklace!
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mvfoley1215
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 4:37pmHow can we argue if the term racist is being used “a little to often” when so few actually know the meaning of the word. Rowgue you state at the end “I’m not seeing the racist aspect of it. Nobody was insulting or mocking or attempting to demean native americans.” While I agree with you in principle, the word racist does not have anything to do with “insulting” or “mocking” another race. A racist is someone who believes (believes as a matter of fact, as part of natural law) that one race is superior to another, period.
The progressives have hijacked the word racist and racism and expanded its meaning to include a whole array of meaning and actions that it does not. Progressives have expanded these two words to include bigotry, prejudice, discrimnation, stereotypes. But it doesn’t stop there they have expanded it to include actions such as disagreeing with a person of another race, mentioning, discussing or pointing out differences between not only races but between regilious beliefs.
There purpose is to shut down those opposed to them on whatever topic, to control the discourse of public debate and advance their policies and social world view. And Conservatives have simply gone along with the incorrect use of these two words and thus allowing Progressive to achieve their ends. If we cant battle them on the correct usage of words we are finished.
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From Virginia
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 5:03pmHey – we used to admire them enough that we named sports teams after them and had parts of their culture laced all through ours. Then the bellyaching started. Most real Indian don’t care and understand the admiration implied. The minority, on the other hand, seems intent on extincting themselves from our culture and landscape.
Fine! Disappear for all I care! Then we don’t have to pretend that you every existed or pretend to care about your faux genacide claims. Go in peace and quiet and we’ll forget all about you!
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DEMOCRATS.ARE.EVIL
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 5:11pmThey made hats out of big bird feathers and never developed the wheel…and they walked everywhere until the white Spaniards gave them horses.
They deserve to be mocked and ridiculed. Nyuk, Nyuk.
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Yeah_Buddy
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 5:12pmAll feathers should be immediately outlawed because of Huffnpuff.
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burnteye86
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 5:30pmI have gotten to the point that I no longer care if I offend anyone. I’ve found that to be the most awesome feeling: True freedom.
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obamapoop
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 5:33pmJust like idiot who don Che Guevera are exploiting his name because htey have no ffing clue….
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bustedupvet
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 5:49pmI’m 1/4 Shone Indian. When I was taught that by my Dad,about being Indian, there wasn’t any “native American Indian” term . Liberals came up with this to promote thier “ploitical correct” crap. I’m Indian and proud of it. As for the outfit…I love it. If you don’t, have a donut & shut up.
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Susie40
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 6:19pmThe left just can’t pull themselves out of the ‘schoolyard’. Petty, argumentative individuals. It there isn’t an argument, they will create one. It is time the adults come out.
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jimbo_from_suwanee
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 6:28pmI think we should just wait to see what the president says, and then we just blindly follow him. This is likely and unfairness, racist, homophobe, or George Bush issue, so we need the president to tell us what to do.
Long live Comrade President!
Long Live the Social Oligarchy of America! SOA, SOA, SOA, SOA, SOA, SOA, SOA, SOA…!
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colt1860
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 6:46pmWhy don’t South Park, the Daily Show with Jon Stewart, the Simpsons and SNL have to apologize for ridiculing and mocking beliefs, faiths, morals, values, races? Ah, they’re leftists, never mind.
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Southern Yankee
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 7:15pmWhat about the Village People ?
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Panhead49
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 7:28pmshe can ware my war bonnet anytime she wants O.o
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Vegasdad702
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 7:55pmFirst point I would like to make- A few of you made some rude, insulting remarks in regards to Native Americans, and you should be ashamed!!! If you are Native American WE salute you and support your people and your heritage! MOST Native Americans are VERY patriotic and in my opinion a symbol of heritage and family. Certainly not without problems, but most of the problems seem to be spawn from government interference.
Second point is FREE SPEECH is FREE SPEECH!! Last time I checked I could choose to ignore or not purchase something if I didn’t agree with it…. well everything except healthcare! Don’t like it….don’t buy it, or watch it! SIMPLE
Last it seems like modern America is okay with slamming Christians and God at every turn, and there is DEFINITELY a double standard at play here. Be that as it may, Victoria Secret is an underwear company, and pushes their line on FANTASY!!! Its not supposed to be anything but FANTASY!!! Still I commend the company for apologizing even though I don’t believe they have to or should. I think its just a nice gesture, and they care about their customers. Bottom line- this is all going to bring them more money in the end. Thank you God Bless
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wandamurline
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 8:10pmActually, when their ads come out on TV, and they are parading and lounging around and turning on the poll dancing, I keep looking for the customers to run up and put money in their underwear….if there is any room left.
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chingachgook
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 8:22pmMost of the time that Indian lore or names are used, they show the respect that most of America hold for Indians. The Indians throughout the history of this country have been recognized as strong and proud warriors. This is just silly. I might posit that racism is everywhere not just against Blacks, Hispanics or Indians, but for Catholics, Mormons or for that mater anyone who is different from yourself. It is our nature to seek out those who are like ourselves. That being Intelligence, likes and dislikes, and other similarities. It is our intellect and morals that allow us all to discard these base instincts and realize that all are God’s children. Let us stop being so sensitive over nothing.
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gz22ll
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 8:24pmYea but do she have a mohawk to go with the headdress.
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mokyfellow
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 9:48pmWith American Indians, there is NO seperation between their culture and their religion.
It is one and the same.
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Matagordabill
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 10:22pmWhich Native American Culture? Are you talking about the Creek, Choctaw, Cherokee, Chickasaw, Osage culture, or possibly the Nez Perce, Blackfoot, Cheyenne, Sioux, Mandan culture, or maybe the Navaho, Pima, Kickapoo, Apache desert culture, or perhaps the Comanche, Kiowa? The American Indian tribes and nations are as diverse as the winds like any peoples spread across a vast land like ours.
BTW, growing up in Oklahoma with Comanche, Kiowa, Choctaw, Cherokee and Chickasaw peoples (I’m not “native american, only 1/8th Cherokee) I attended many real Pow Wow dances which were nothing more than Indian hoedowns. They were a lot of fun.
As to the model and the Sioux headress, Those were only worn by great chiefs and war leaders. As would all my compatriots back in OK would say, YES!! She’s hot. Where they got the idea for fake leapord skin panties, I’ll never ask. She’s cute in them. For you professional bent noses, Get A Life.
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BreeZee
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 10:43pmI’d rather be represented by the model than the liar warren…..hypocrites
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Keatonc333
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:08amUnbelievable! I am so disgusted by reading this thread! and you call yourself christians! haha! Just about every comment you i’ve read takes this opportunity to bash Native Americans! A people who’s land our ancestors stole, almost completely, from them. a people who our ancestors knowing tossed blankets infected with small pox on to help kill off the “savages” A people who were all forced out of their homes and made to walk several hundred miles with scarce food and little rest. Trail of tear, you know.. 4,000 died on the walk. mostly women and children. These are the people we are now sitting back in our nice warm homes mocking! the most disenfranchised people in our history.. possibly on earth. We stole their way of life.. Imagine that happening to you for one second! You truly disappoint me. but i guess its like Jesus teaches, you good christians, “and the lord said onto thee, if we are not successful in our genocide, we must remember to never let the survivors forget” or something..
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American Cherokee
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:01amIt’s not American Indians complaining. Like the early 1970s; It’s progressives. Get it?
And most American Indians don’t really care about being called that either. Indian can also mean Indiginous. Most call themselves PEOPLE.
“Native American” was not created to “uplift”. It was created to put them and everyone else in their proper servile place. It was also created to knock American Indians out of their honorable place of being Original Americans so the term could be used to describe anyone from anywhere who has lived here long enough to claim squatter’s bragging rights.
Like the guy who spoke at the AZ commemorative event who was chosen by the progressive group to represent “Native American” when he spoke at the event about being illegal Mexican and Mexican Indian.
Could the organizers not find an AMERICAN INDIAN at ARIZONA to speak?
A direct slap at American Indians. And the intelligence of ALL AMERICANS.
And we are all happy Gabriel survived and is recovering and some others Thank God!
But the Republican Judge died And others.
Yet the immature crowd was hooping and hollaring like a pep rally or reality show sleazy audience.
Show respect reverence for tragic loss and love and goodness!
Native American Caucasian African American Hispanic were made up, decided on by college professors and friends 40 years ago who were Say it together Progressives. Got it?
Notice a, they act like bossy 12 year old mean bad brats, pattern?
The model and all look pretty. G
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American Cherokee
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:12amNative American Caucasian African American Hispanic were made up decided on by college professors and friends 40 years ago who were Say it together Progressives. Got it?
Notice a, they act like bossy 12 year old mean bad brats, pattern?
The model and all look pretty. Get Real!!
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vonstro
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 8:20amVictoria’s Secret doesn’t owe anything to our native American culture. Their business is selling clothing, not politically correct sensitivities. We have plenty of bleeding heart liberals for that chore. The Elizabeth Warren controversy is emblematic of the way liberals face such cultural insensitivities. Warren is the liberal Congresswoman from Mass. who won the election in her state for one of two US Senate seats. She lied about her native American heritage to get tuition breaks and other preferential treatment throughout her academic career. Liberals found this more amusing then anything else, and hence elected her to represent them in DC. But when a cultural icon like Victoria’s Secret does much the same thing, every liberal whiner in America is upset beyond belief at such a lack of sensitivity. The only people that were really pushed out of shape by this terrific marketing idea were the ‘national association of gals’ types and their metro-sexual boyfriends. Now you tell me who you’d rather see walking that runway!
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Phattdad144
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 8:37amI’m sure the real mistake is that VS did not pay a royalty to any tribe. Maybe a lawsuit claiming damages is soon to come.
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Secret Squirrel
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 3:31pm.
“No, Tonto.
I said bring the posse”.
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Fredhead
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 7:43pmI work with a guy, the sweetest funniest man you could ever meet, he is part Navajo, and from time to time he does this supposed Indian, or as he calls it Injun speak,, dialect. He came upon this story today at work ,( it was slow ,, unfortunately) , but he had us all laughing hysterically when he said,
“No wonder paleface take over land, woman in headdress too skinny, not make good warriors, only girly men” we all lost it!
He also jokingly from time to time has us refer to him by his self chosen Indian name, , ,
~Fat bear make ground shake~
Joe is hilarious,
He also commonly claims he recieved his instruction of how to properly do his “Injun speak” from watching F-Troop when growing up.
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Thunder Bear
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 8:20pmAs a Native American we do not seperate our race and our “religion.” Besides it is not a “religion,” it is a way of life and we can not seperate ourselves from the way we believe. There is no “seperation of church and state” in our culture. As for the “costume” it is as you say, blasphemous, disrespectful and yes even racist.
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Coyote1953
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:56pmWomen did wear war bonnets.
I am Cherokee and don’t have much of an opinion about plastic artifacts. It’s part of the plastic world. Most people I know who have native ancestry don’t care about crying racism because we aren’t victims. We aren’t perpetually needy like liberals.
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MiriamNConde
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:30amThe native american headress is sacred. Look it up if you don’t understand it.
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The_Jerk
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:33amI guess minorities can’t qualify as a protected class unless they whine, and whine, and whine.
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Rowgue
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:35amIt’s called a war bonnet. No self respecting native american would ever use the term headdress. Do a little research yourself.
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toiletclogga
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:35amHow do casinos fit into Native American culture?
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Eastinfection
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:36amSacred?…is it? does that mean we can put it in a jar of urine, photograph it, and display the photo as art?
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:37amBig effing deal.
Half the natural world and the moon is sacred according to American Indians. You can’t live your life perpetually afraid to have fun or be light hearted for fear of “offending” a group of people who are angry about everything in life and if they can’t find something to be angry about, they’ll invent something out of whole cloth.
What I’m saying here is, grow up. I doubt I’d find you on a thread where somebody dressed as a drunk priest who has a thing for girls in Catholic schoolgirl uniforms. Go pound sand.
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Polarized America
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:38am“”racist”" is the wrong word..it’s more like “mocking”
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JQuentinEvermann
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:43amI guess it is even more sacred than the crucifix or the Virgin Mary. As long as there is a war against Christianity, I will piss on anything to do with any other religion.
Wait, did someone say something about “race?”
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4kidsandacat
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:59amI may be wrong, but aren’t these the same chicks that walk around in angel wings? I think the sacredness argument is kind of lost here…and it’s not talking about the blasphemy aspect, they said it was “racist”. I think that’s a different argument.
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JQuentinEvermann
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 12:00pm@ROWGUE
You’re right, self-respecting Native Americans are all so in tune with their culture…all joking aside, let’s examine their “culture.”
Casinos, fake dances, and welfare…oh, and drinking and meth. Aside from one of the highest drug and alcohol addiction rates, Casinos have absolutely nothing to do with their culture. And the dances they perform are all BS for tourists. As a long-studied student of NA culture, it is easy to pick out which ceremonies and dances are real, and which ones make them little more than feathered strippers.
If you don’t believe me, take your horse to the nearest reservation and watch as people drop folded dollars at the feet of the “Fancy Dancers” who wear $20k outfits and dance like meth-heads on fire for your money.
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Rowgue
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 12:08pm@JQ
My only point was to point out that the idiot telling everybody to research it doesn’t really understand it himself.
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smokie
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 1:15pmMy cousin served in Iraq with a fellow who’s last name was Warbonnet. They called him “Battle Hat”.
British photographers are particularly fond of plopping a Warbonnet on pop singers heads when taking publicity photos. To their credit, some of the singers look positively mortified.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 1:39pm@4KIDS
Yep, great observation.
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v15
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 1:45pm@4kidsandacat:
angels do not have wings
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Susie40
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 6:21pmWill someone PLEASE ring the schoolyard bell! Come in from recess activities of taunting each other and get to serious work now!
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chips1
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 7:26pmV15:
Clarence got his wings. Didn’t you see the movie?
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DenisWTexas
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 8:49pmBut Madonna can get humped by a black Jesus on a cross and she’s the what liberals like. Don’t give us that “sacred” card unless you’re willing to have it played against the left too.
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stogieguy7
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 11:24amSo is the crucifix, yet that doesn’t stop some jerk from dumping one into a jar of pee and calling it “art”.
Get over it, this PC fascism has to stop!!
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txannie
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:30amWho was “offended”? Did you hear any Native Americans whining? Let’s hear from the offended Native directly, then I might believe it was anyone except the pc whiners looking to cause trouble. Oh well, we’ll probably hear from some 1/32 blooded native that they were offended….racist?, my tush….
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CREENDN
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:52amI am 3/4 Cree and this controversy has been going through Indian Country. We don’t like this use of our sacred regalia being used in this manner. I don’t think it is racist, I think it is poor judgment. And after reading most of the comments here I am disappointed in the low regard you have for us. We are trying to bring our culture back so our young ones can be proud once again to be Indian and this just makes a cartoon of something that is important to us.
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Eastinfection
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:56amCREENDN…
please don’t raise them to be thin-skinned, hyper defensive, and humorless.
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Redwood Elf
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:57amWhat I want to know is…where can I sign up for HER tribe? Just call me “Hi-ho-wah-yah!”
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 12:01pmSorry Cree, but this is called “freedom of speech and expression”.
It always puzzles me that American Indians might get upset if we use American Indian symbols on our sports teams to signify respect and strength and prowess at battle, or that they’d find offense in us saying “American Indian garb is perfect for beautiful women” (of course, how much “garb” there is and how little it represents the way Indians used to dress, is in question).
Nobody, and I mean nobody, cares about offending “my culture” and its symbols, heroes, regalia or religions. That’s fine, but don’t expect anything but the same from me in return. It’s all in light fun, but no, can’t have that, have to be heavy and scornful.
At this point I really don’t care what offends anybody. Can’t take offense? Then don’t participate in freedom of speech.
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CREENDN
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 12:05pmEASTINFECTION
We don’t – we very rarely call racism but, unfortunately, some white people cry it for us without consulting.
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Eastinfection
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 12:22pmCREEDND…
I can appreciate that, as well as your attempts to keep your culture intact… i am 1st generation American via Scottish and Irish parents and we look at the Notre Dame “Fighting Irish” logo as well as “FatBastard” from Austin Powers as being endearing and funny though they mock us… Sensitivity is not our forte..
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CREENDN
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 12:23pmghostofjefferson – did I attack your “freedom of speech and expression”? I was just freely expressing my thoughts on some of the comments. We (Indians) are the least likely to call racism but like any culture there are a few that can’t laugh at themselves. I don’t know what your culture is but sometimes you have to defend it by educating those that unknowlingly disrespect it, not by shutting down their freedom of speech but having a dialogue. I don’t think I’ve been “heavy and scornful”. And your last sentence actually is suggesting that I don’t participate in freedom of speech – how un-Jefferson of you.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 12:48pmOpposition to a position is not “denying you freedom to speech”. Logic 101.
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CREENDN
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 1:48pm“Can’t take offense? Then don’t participate in freedom of speech.” Sounds like you are telling me not to participate. But yet, you also say “Opposition to a position is not “denying you freedom to speech”. Logic 101.” You, sir, are confused and have taken all that I have said in a defensive manner. You also appear to have some issues with us: “Big ol’ middle finger. One hopes VC gives these whining idiots one, but it’s doubtful that they will.” and “Half the natural world and the moon is sacred according to American Indians.” Well, here’s my freedom of speech – get a life and try to be a bit more civilized.
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txannie
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 1:57pm@creendn, and others…..My mother is full-blooded Comanche. Put dark **** on this model and just a few years and you could be looking at her. Showed her the picture, she laughed and said she would have lit the “braves” up if she had worn a getup like that. No problem here in a family of 1/2 Comanche with 6 boys and 4 girls. You will only keep your culture if you teach your children. Whining about how other cultures see your’s won’t change a thing. My grandmother and grandfather made sure we knew all the old stories, ways and skills even while we attended public school. I chose to home-school my children. They went on to college and home-school their children. Our customs and those of all cultures are taught much better in our home than any public school teaches. Being offended will change no opinion.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 1:59pm@Creed
The corollary is “if you can take free speech, then feel free to participate”. Those who cannot take free speech go the “I’m offended, ban the speech” route. For example, those demanding VC remove this outfit.
I’ll be any person I wish to be, thank you very much. And the person that the hyper sensitive deserve when speaking to me is the guy with the smile on his face and his finger in the air.
If offense were not given for everything these days I probably would care a bit more. But that’s not the world we live in, so I’ll happily proffer aforementioned Mr. Digit Hand Puppet with a hearty and hale smile and let others sort it out. :)
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rosegrower
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 3:03pm@CREEDN
“. We don’t like this use of our sacred regalia being used in this manner.” Now you know how practicing Christians and Jews feel about most of what is done with their respective religious icons in the media. When some gun-toting rapper whose every other word is M*F*er runs around wearing a ginormous platinum cross and Madonna thrusts a crucifix between her legs during one of her performances, it’s just as nauseating. The left’s disrespect for spiritual beliefs now extends to non-Judeo-Christian religions. “First, they came for the Jews, but I wasn’t a Jew so I didn’t speak up……”
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The Giver
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 8:04pm@ CREENDN- I agree with you that the white ( and I ‘ll add … LEFT), makes things up about minorities being offended to further their agenda. I was born in Cuba, and never am I offended about stopping ILLEGAL immigration! My future daughter in law is of Irish ancestry and is forced to take in Freshman year of college, a diversity course that teaches how oppressed we minorities are. I told her that I would REFUSE to take that course! ENOUGH! Homeschooling will save our children.
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Eastinfection
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:29amAllow me to be the first to volunteer to “yank” this outfit from her…
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:38amOh yeah, now that’s the sauce right there. :) Sign me up!
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MiriamNConde
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:27amI don’t know much about native american culture, but I do know that the headress is sacred. Many people don’t understand the words sacred or holy anymore. If you’re one of those people, you have no business saying that it doesn’t matter. VS apologized. That says something. Don’t desecrate the sacred.
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BeingThere
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:31amFree speech is sacred, not a bunch of stolen feathers! Go have lunch at an indian casino, you’ll feel better.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:37amOh go stick your head in a pig.
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toiletclogga
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 3:12pmWhy didn’t we have the same response when Chief Jay Strongbow used the head dress in his Wrastlin’ persona? What about that black fellow who wears it while supporting the Washington Redskins? Wait a minute, that can’t be the same Washington as in WASHINGTON DC, can it? Who gives a crap? That gal is hot. I saw the picture, and didn’t even realize she was wearing the damn indian hat!
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txjb
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:26amI thought racism was when you didn’t like someone else ? How is clothing racist ? It’s out of control !!
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00100111
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:25amThe font on this page is black. It’s racist.
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ghostlyspirit
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:24amdoes the left hate indians or do they just hate Americans history?
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:45amThey hate everybody except for those that sit down, shut up and do as they’re told.
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Eastinfection
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 12:36pmI have no intention of shutting up but, after looking at these pics, i may remain seated for a while ;)
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Keatonc333
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:11am^^^HaHaHaHa!!!
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ellietoo
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:23amThe “sacred” necklace has been sold by “native Americans” for many years. All the “native American\” trappings have been reproduced and sold by them for centuries. This is about another group of “rights” people who want money.
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BeingThere
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:22amThat’s right, hang on to that primitive culture at all costs and do everything you can to keep from evolving!! People like Obama need more voters!!!!
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My2
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:20amAmerican Indian symbols = sacred; Christian symbols=feel free to put in jars of piss
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:34amAye. As witness, this is somehow wrong, but dress her up in a “Catholic School Girl” outfit and that’s just dandy and fine and great! Add in a “drunk priest” costumed guy and that just adds humor to the sexiness!
Big ol’ middle finger. One hopes VC gives these whining idiots one, but it’s doubtful that they will.
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BuzzardSays
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 5:42pmIf they hated Jesus they will hate anyone who comes in His name. The student is not greater than the Master. I tell you it is hard to deal with such hypocrisy in this world of double-standards. I have been pointing these double-standards out to my 15-year old son and he is boggled by the sheer hypocrisy practiced by the left. I have told my son of Democrat Presidents who are liars and cheaters, thieves and rapists, and now the indifferent heartless manslaughtering commander in chief Obama. I want to make damn sure my kids aren’t OWS protestors…ever.
It is time for conservative social disobediance. We need to max out our W4 withholding deductions and starve this government of money for a whole year until their payday on April 17th. We need to start petitions to seceed from the Union. We need to maximize our 401K with-holdings. We need to stage sit-ins and shout down rallies and use a little of the lefts own tactics against them.
I am a decorated veteran and I am going to throw my damn medals across the fence onto the whitehouse lawn. Why don’t we put together a former military man march on Washington where we honorably discharged/retired military all march down to 1600 Penn Av and throw our insignia, medals, and military garb over that bastard Obama’s fence as a protest against that piece of s___ leaving our men to die in a foreign land. With news agencies filming it all…of course.
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Carrie3570
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:20amIt’s not racist. She looks like your average college girl dressed as an Indian on Halloween in any local bar. Oops, did I say Indian? Why, yes I did.
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00100111
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:25amI didn’t even see an outfit.
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Eastinfection
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:31amfirst they put this outfit on the model…
then they take it away from her?
Geez… what a bunch of “Indian givers”
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Matagordabill
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 10:59pmIf the Indian girls I grew up with looked and dressed like that, I would never have left Oklahoma for the Army.
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Cavallo
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:19amWe must remove all aspects of native American iconography or characterization from society. They should be relegated to the dust bin of old history books, the Native American preference in this matter is unimportant. So sayeth the gods of political correctness.
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taxpro4u03
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 1:57pmThat’s exactly what they’re attempting to do with ‘the American Dream…’ “get an education (get in DEBT – indoctrination) – get a ‘good job,’ work hard to get more in debt – advance, maybe – get into s’more debt – buy stuff,(get in MORE DEBT) retire, die, posthumously have all you worked for stolen again.’ — It’s so…… ‘yesterday.’ Native Americans THRIVED as a culture for nearly 10,000 years on the North American Continent (til some damn Spaniard Chris Columbus took credit for AMRERIGOS ‘discovery…’ hence the term AMERICA) — Their culture was resource based… Mother Earth provided for all. Post Anglo-saxon ‘invasion,’ — it became ‘monetary based…’ Now there’s ‘no money…’ Ah — Ohhhh…. NOW WHAT??? ;-) Debt saturation point and the country produces little to nothing to sustain it… ‘trade resources for money’ concept is juuuuuuust about ‘done…’ til they gerrymander the world yet AGAIN and attach a ‘monetary value’ to horse poop…’buy GOLD…’ just a shiny yellow metal that has the exact same ‘Value’ as a federal Reserve Note…’ Can’t EAT gold… ;-) Your most valuable asset is the grey matter between your ears… USE IT! Technology is way kewel, tho — too bad IT moved faster than the ability of individuals to RETAIN what little intelligence they give up for the illusion of ‘security.’… i.e. Common Sense… Sheeple… :-)
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:19amThe best and most place putting thing that Victoria’s Secret can do is the equivalent of flipping the perpetually offended a big ol middle finger.
They won’t of course. People scrape and bow to political correctness, regardless of how many of us out here in the real world tell them we’ll support them if they show defiance.
Sheep. Absolute effeminate, submissive sheep, nearly the lot of the world. They deserve their fate.
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Untameable-kate
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:31amWith so many really important offences being perpetrated on the American people (such as Obamacare) the politically correct left needs to make little things a big deal to distract from the real obscenities going on. They need these little things to distract from the crimes committed by the dog-god Obama.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:40amAye Kate, they do.
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ExpertShot
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:45amMy mantra “If I offended you, YOU NEEDED IT” – Stone Sour
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v15
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 1:55pm@ExpertShot,,,,,, Your mantra is a Stone Sour lyric by Corey Taylor????? LMFAO WOW YOU ARE A MESSED UP LOSER. Terrible no-talent music.
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ExpertShot
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 4:39pm@V15 – Actually, it just means I really don’t care what you or anyone else thinks. Btw, rock & metal are a helluva lot better than anything else out today.
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COFemale
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:18amSo what the whiners are crying about is that when a non-Native American Indian wears something Native American it is forbidden? Please, get a life. You people have way too much time on your hands and whine about the most idiotic things.
From now on, no one can have blond ****. As part Danish, this is a Danish trait, so unless you have Danish in your blood you can no longer dye your **** blond. So all you blond bimbo’s please dye your **** brown.
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Beltfeed
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:18amGet over it Man! Get Over it!
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Blazen420
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:18amI must be racist because I think she looks hot in that Indian get up!.
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chetnapier
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:18amsomeone else with their knickers in a twist
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banjarmon
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:17amIf the Native Americans had look like this there would have been NO Indian Wars!!
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Wiseone1w
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:23amAre you kidding? The White Man would have been trying to conquer their women instead of their tribal lands! The fighting would have been worse than it was.
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zoro51
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:16amracism.. HOW STUPID can you be .. american natives CREATED the LOOK.. designers have improved or incorporated the look now u condem for what reason???? NOTHING RACIST what so ever,.. ONLY in the mind of SOCIALISTS leftist democrats who PANDER this ******** would say.. ITS FASHION DIP *****!
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CPLGEORGE
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:15amI guess the Lone Ranger was racist too? Good grief, Charlie Brown, let Americans be Americans. Cure cancer, not Indians or Indian Wannabes.
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Wyld_goose
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:13amWaaa, somebody please shove a bottle into them screaming baby mouths
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searcher619
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 3:41pmI’m curious. Was this how you reacted to the artists who out the crucifix in a jar of urine or smeared feces on it? This is essentially the same thing.
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OnwardThroughTheFog
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:11amPeople in this country had better get a life and get over PC or we’re doomed. Next thing you know, someone will say that they’re exploiting women as sex objects.
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Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:13am“or” we’re doomed?
LOL, look around there buddy.
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taintso
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:16amIt might have all about a San Francisco man wanting to wear it.
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Gonzo
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:27amRoth is right, we’re just rearranging the deck furniture on The Titanic at this point.
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OnwardThroughTheFog
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:28amSorry. Lost my head there for a moment, Roth. What was I thinking. I must have been trying to let my Optimistic side shine through and then you brought me back to the reality of an Optimist just being a disillusioned Pessimist. Thanks.
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searcher619
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 12:04pmI agree 100% the PC mindset which has taken over our country and the world has lead to the pussification of our children and weakening us as a nation, this is not about being PC. This really was an example of a PR department and a fashion designer taking items which are sacred to a living segment of our population and showing disrespect for them by displaying it in this manner. It’s a bit like how Christians were rightfully outraged at artists putting a crucifix in a jar of urine.
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biohazard23
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:10amYawn… Another day, another group getting their v-string in a wad….
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Gonzo
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:09amCan’t you just picture Elizabeth Warren in that? Yowza…grrrr!
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biohazard23
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:15amYou got any brain bleach to go with that visual, Gonzo?
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justangry
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:15amLMAO… Good one. Now I need to take a shower. I feel SO dirty.
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piplovestheUSA
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:19amOh man, I did not need that image in my head. Thanks alot Gonzo
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Wiseone1w
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:24amEeeeeewwwww
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Government_Goodies
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 12:07pmNeed Mental Floss after that one!
>.<
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