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Nov. 12, 2012 1:14pm Erica Ritz

Here’s a sentence you won’t read every day: Neo-Nazis and members of the Ku Klux Klan were upstaged during a Charlotte, North Carolina rally Saturday by a crowd of defiant clowns determined to drown out the white supremacist message.

WCNC says the counter-protesters outnumbered the white supremacists by a ratio of about 5 to 1, and that instead of shouting or chanting, they employed devices like squeaky toys and whistles to distract from the white supremacist rally. Somewhat surprisingly, none of the clowns were assaulted, and no arrests were made.

WCNC has more:

When the speakers talked about “White Power,” the protesters sprinkled white flour. Another held a sign reading “Wife Power.”

They said they wanted to make a point that racism is ridiculous.

“The message from us is, you look silly,” said Lacey Williams, the youth coordinator for Charlotte’s Latin American Coalition. “We’re dressed like clowns and you’re the ones that look funny.”

Jeff Schoep of the National Socialist Movement, a neo-Nazi group based in Detroit, said his organization wants to be an alternative third party to the country’s two-party system. Its platform is based on white supremacy.

Protestor Tom Strini donned his red nose and rainbow wig to take an opposing point of view.

“Instead of meeting hate with hate, they were going to meet hate with love,” said Strini of the protestors.

“I think it’s really important to have a sense of humor,” added Williams. “What they want is for us to fight them. They want us to hit them with hate. We can’t become them.” [Emphasis added]

Here are some photos of the merry “clowns”:

Nazis and KKK Members Upstaged by Clowns During Charlotte, N.C. Protest

(Photo: WCNC)

The white supremacists looked far from amused:

(Photo: WCNC)

Even a city council member showed up on the side of the clowns, donning a red nose in support.

“We’re just a great big happy melting pot,” said councilman John Autry commented. “I just wanted to come out here and make sure people understood that I did not support the views of the people behind up here with the microphones.”

The event lasted roughly two hours, according to reports, at which point the supremacists gave up and left. A number of the 75 policemen in attendance escorted the group back to a parking garage and though clowns filled the lot, it remained peaceful.

WCNC has video of the unusual occurrence:

(H/T: Fark)

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pap pap
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 2:41pm
I think this was a light hearted way of making a point. The heck with racists wherever they may be but it’s not just white supremicists that are racists. How about the Black Panthers, Louis Farrakan and company, Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton, Rev. Wright, etc. etc.

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- The_Jerk
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 2:58pm
  Where are these clowns when the Black Panthers gather? The NAACP? LARAZA? Black congressional caucus? BET? …
  
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- SocialistSlayer
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 3:02pm
  You forgot their leader Communist – Radical Muslim obama !
  
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- Pearsontech
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 3:21pm
  Sometimes I think it would be better to just let the KKK and neo-nazi’s duke it out with the BP and other non white hate groups. Just put them all in an arena and give me some weapons and let them duke it out gladiator style. Might be entertaining. But then that’s not very civilized is it.
  
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- Fubared
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 3:24pm
  Jihad jerk
  How does the big red nose go with your doc martens and swastika? Torn huh?
  
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- SoNick
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 4:16pm
  @The jerk
  Once again, you wear your screen name proudly. You have some nerve putting the NAACP and La Raza on equal footing with the KKK, on of the most vile organizations in the history of America. Tell me, oh great Jerk, how many lynchings have been perpetrated by the NAACP or La Raza? Yeah, that’s what I thought…
  As for the New Black Panther Party (NBP), keep in mind it’s an incredibly small fringe group (and yes, I grant you, they ARE a hate group, and a vicious one at that) that has been repeatedly disavowed by the original Black Panthers themselves (Bobby Seale, one of the founding members of the BP, has made it clear he had no time for the NBP’s xenophobia, antisemitism and racism). The reason the MSM doesn’t report their every move, like the Blaze does, is that they are irrelevant. They did not hijack the election and they do not represent the black community AT ALL. The NBP are a bunch of angry racist fools and I think you should stop giving them so much attention.
  
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- SoNick
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 4:18pm
  @The Jerk
  i didn’t bother replying to you regarding to the inclusion of the Congressional Black Caucus and BET on your hitlist because that was just too stupid to address.
  
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- The_Jerk
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 4:27pm
  Racism is racism. There are no varying degrees. You can not be a little bit racist, just like you can’t be a little bit pregnant. You’re simply a dishonest ideologue.
  
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- The_Jerk
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 4:32pm
  Fubared, I personally think that the red nose goes better with your pumps, fishnet stockings, and red dress…. but then again, you’re the transvestite and would know better.
  
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- SoNick
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 4:35pm
  Are you really trying to convince anyone that BET is as big a threat to race relations as the KKK is ? Yes, there are varying degrees of hatred. Not liking black people is one thing; lynching them is quite another. Stop the false equivalences.
  
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- db321
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 4:39pm
  We don’t have Clown noses in Texas, but we do have a lot of Patriots.
  
  Here is how Texan’s chased the New Black Panthers out of Texas. Enjoy.
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSY12QR4E1E
  
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- WarMunger_Al
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 4:43pm
  Blacks can’t be racist….that what I was told. It is only a white man’s disease. I watched a video of eric Holder testifying before congress to that fact. If you injure a black because of his color it is a hate crime. If you injure a white guy because he is white, it is not a hate crime. That is Holder’s official declaration before congress.
  
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- WarMunger_Al
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 4:45pm
  Sonick-
  
  Compare the amount of lynchings to the amount of white people killed by blacks every year. Blacks have a bigger racism problem than white people, even counting the despicable KKK and wannabe nazi retards like this group.
  
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- SoNick
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 5:17pm
  @WarMunger_Al
  Since you didn’t provide us with actual statistics, it is a little difficult to compare anything. And even if you could prove to me that more people died from “black on white violence” than did from the KKK’s lynchings, that still wouldn’t mean much. You would then have to prove that those “black on white” acts were racially motivated, which all of the Klan’s murders clearly were. Look, I’m not trying to pick a fight here. I just cannot stand false equivalences which hinder rational discussion.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 5:27pm
  Wow DB321 .. followed your link…
  
  that was effing surreal…
  Whole lotta “free speech” going on up in that joint…
  What the hell was NBP trying to accomplish there anyhow?
  
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- muffythetuffy
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 6:10pm
  HAS THE FBI RESURRECTED THE KKK AGAIN?
  
  The KKK would not have any money if not for the FBI paying the dues for all its undercover agents. There are so many FBI agents in the KKK that they often beat up each other.
  
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- The_Jerk
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 7:09pm
  SoNick, not sure where your disconnect rests, so let’s try one more time.
  
  Racism is racism, period. BET, NAACP, La Raza, Black Congressional Congress… are all threats to race relations. All are based on race/ethnicity… exclusively. All fracture society along racial/ethnic divides. All result in hate by those excluded, or those not reaping the benefits of being in their protected, special, exclusive race/ethnicity.
  
  Has the KKK committed heinous acts? Yes. Have the others cultivated an environment of hate where others commit heinous acts? Probably. Don’t the others create the motivation for the KKK to act? Yes. Hate begets hate. You can make any excuse that you choose to excuse your accepted version of hate, but that changes nothing in the real world.
  
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- brother_ed
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 7:23pm
  I stand with THE_JERK on this one.
  
  It is one thing to have a group of like minded people rally for an idea (religious apologists, environmentalists, Tea Party, etc) and quite another to have it based on color or ethnicity.
  
  Racism is evil, regardless how it is presented.
  
  To be a champion for the poor is fine, to be a champion of only the poor of a certain color is wrong.
  
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- rickc34
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 9:19am
  Clowns vs the liberal democratic KKK and Nazi’s, and the winner is……..
  
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TarheelFlyer
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 2:39pm
Wish I would have known this was happening. As a resident of Charlotte, I would have gladly dressed up like a clown and joined them. White Supremacy is just dumb. Now, that being said, I do wish our society would wake up to the fact that hate is more than a 1 way street in every situation. White on black, dems vs. republicans, gay vs. straight, and jew vs arab. Yes, it works both ways and sometimes there is even “guilt” racism. You know when that person allows the minority to do something that would be racist if the majority did it, but you allow it because you don’t want to look racist. Or how about a black person using the N word. Somehow said by white person…racist and offensive; said by black person to another black person…that’s just cool hip language.

Our society is so full of hypocrisy it is sad.

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Tifn8r
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 2:38pm
Okay – so can someone PLEASE tell me where they get the outfits? It’s got to be the same place the black racists in the Panthers get theirs. I’m thinking that the only people benefitting from all this hate are the people who make the “I’m in the pretend military” outfits and patches.

Oh, and the people who sell 40 oz malt liquor and coors light. They’ve gotta be getting rich too.

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- dsd13130
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 3:19pm
  Maybe the same place the clowns got there outfits! I’m sure the clowns made a point but they are CREEPY to me!
  
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- LouieKelcher74
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:30am
  DSD13130: No doubt! Sounds like the scene from some freaky nightmare to me. Glad it ended peacefully though and as much as I normally dislike clowns I applaud anybody who can diffuse hatred with humor and light-heartedness.
  
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thegreatcarnac
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 2:31pm
The Klan and the Nazis are comical sometimes. However…..they will bring forth the future in a sad way. I think the more liberal disruption and attempts to socialize the nation will breed groups like the Klan and the Nazis. New groups under new names will grow and be semi-allied to them. Whites feel pushed and discriminated against. They will fight back. Most will not be Nazis nor Klansmen but they will follow a good speaker who points out the forces trying to hurt them. Liberalism will breed a counter-revolution which will breed a right wing dictator. He is coming. It happened in Germany and other lands…it will happen here.

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- barber2
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 2:40pm
  The Democrat Party has tracked so Far Left now, am sure this will not end well. Sadly.
  
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- momrules
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 2:52pm
  Carnac……….I agree with you. Too, the white supremacist groups have been very quiet for the last four years. No counter marches to the NBPP or outrage at the overt charges of racism from Obama on down to the lowliest liberal pundit.
  You can bet they have been watching and taking notes though. Things will start to get very ugly very soon in my opinion.
  
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Lordcsmith
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 2:26pm
I have a history professor of African descendency that loves to point out how racist white people are. Never misses the chance to explain to the pale faces in the audience that they’re products of white privilege. Needless to say he voted for Obama and believes that it was a referendum on race in this country. As I am too old to give a crap, and I’ve suffered worse repercussions from better men than him, I raised my hand to add my two cents to this referendum. If I were to say the things he says, with colors reversed, I would be expelled. The reason we come down so hard on white Supremacy and Racism is that if and when they get their act together, they actually prosecute some of the most vile things in history. The “real” racism in our society is the fact that he can go uncensured for saying his bigotted vitriol because no one believes he has the power, inclination or ability to make anything of it. Essentially, let the darkie vent, just keep voting Democrat. Needless to say, I’m not sure I’m going to pass.

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jeremyrabernathy
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 2:25pm
i wish the clowns would have went to the Louis Farrakan rally too, but only white people can be racist right?

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Katielee
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 2:21pm
Not for a moment would I support the KKK, neo-nazi or white supremists (that being said I don’t support supremist groups of any kind). But what I’m starting to see are glimpses of a bigger picture of concerted effort to suppress any speech or view not in accordance with Liberal/left view. Community organizing on the national scale.

Seems to be, ironically, supremist in and of itself in a way.

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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 2:37pm
  Do you feel the same about the Bikers that show up at military funerals to drown out the Westboro Baptist Churches chants of “God Hates America”?
  
  I see two groups exercising their free speech here… The Nazis and the Clowns
  
  Neither of which i have any desire to be one of.
  
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- Mudd
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 2:46pm
  Yeah, they’re idiots but they deserve a chance to express their views. Freedom for all or freedom for none.
  
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- Keatonc333
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:41am
  Eastinfection… great point!
  
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Metallicat
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 2:07pm
Doesnt history back up the claim that white “folks” are supreme? Even in this country of “equality” where the minority has laws to give him the advantage,he cant succeed without the government taking more from the white “folks”. We all must be downgraded to live like minorities now,so the supremacy of one race over another is not apparent. some races wouldnt have advanced as far as they have without the whiteman,which again proves supremacy.

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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 2:10pm
  lol.. nice try
  
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- DimmuBorgir
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 2:36pm
  so so true
  
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freedomisasfreedomdoes
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 2:03pm
great idea!

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pandora
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 2:03pm
The KKK was started by democrats. The largest pack of them was in (and maybe still is) Illinois. Wait, Illinois? Isn’t Chicago in Illinois? Hmmm.

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- Detesman
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 2:27pm
  It reminds of the Blues Brothers when they run into the “Illinois nazis”.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 2:38pm
  DETESMAN…
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khwwvFIIV6Y
  
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 1:54pm
When Clowns Collide! Film at 11!

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Maxim Crux
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 1:50pm
KKK are democrats…always were and always will be. These clowns are clowns with courage unlike the clowns Boener, Cantor and McConnell.

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- sparkyrules
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 6:25pm
  true
  
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ares338
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 1:46pm
Think of the rampant hand ringing if the clons would have interrupted a New Black panther Party rally. No friend to the KKK or Nazis but I put the NBPP in their ranks too. Besides clowns are spooky and evil….Those big red noses and big floppy shoes.

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- barber2
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 1:57pm
  ARE: My exact reaction. These ” clowns” remind me of Obama’s OWS/ MIC check / ACORN bull-horn crowd. All SS Storm Trooper-types are dangerous. We have always valued our freedom of speech in America. I do not support the KKK or the Black Panthers or the Black Muslims, but they have always been afforded freedom of speech. This New Obama Era is sending out danger signals . I’m sure patriotic Democrats will speak out against this also, correct ? The American people are watching.
  
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Eastinfection
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 1:44pm
Clowns are creepy, too…
I prefer the Blues Brother’s way of handling Nazi dirtbags:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khwwvFIIV6Y

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Metallicat
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 1:39pm
Its a shame these assclowns dont protest all racism,just white racism. They wouldnt taunt the NPB this way to get a reaction,and that was their purpose,to taunt them to a reaction,to justify using violence next.

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- kadster01
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 2:16pm
  True. I wonder if the KKK and skinheads said anything at this rally about killing off minorities and “summa dey babies” like Shabbazz of the NBP did in regard to whites?
  
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- barber2
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 2:25pm
  Bingo. So ironic as these Lefties taunt ” white guys ” for becoming an unimportant minority, aren’t they then going to take “whitey’s” side and expect the ACLU to do the same ?? What ? No ? Gee, that sure sounds unfair and ” racist” to me . Where ‘ s the social justice ?? Huh ?
  
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Taurnil
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 1:38pm
Ah. I was wondering when these folks were “coming out” given they are just as racist and bigoted as those making up the Democratic party, the two dovetail so well. They have been very quite over the past four years and figured they were quite happy with a black president. I guess not, assuming Obama is in the same crowd these chuckle-heads are against. But then given their platform they are no better than the elitist Muslims types of the if “You ain’t Muslim, you ain’t (and BTW deserve to die)”.

I look to the Democratic party embracing this group, I mean there isn’t to many “groups” left the Democrats do not pander to. And of course they will do it, as it will further marginalize the Republicans. Though I can’t see the Republicans ever embracing these fools. But I have been wrong a time or two.

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warhorse_03826
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 1:35pm
I wonder how much of the Klan rally is funded by PATCON paychecks?

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piper60
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 1:34pm
The clowns seem to have the right idea.

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AJAYW
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 1:32pm
Don’t agree with the kkk but where are the clowns when the NAACP and NBP ralley. Oh I see they would be called racist if they did it to them.

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- Angel_light
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 2:19pm
  That’s what I was wondering. in this story it is not racist for people to protest the KKK or Nazis but we would be called racist for protesting the NBPP and the NAACP. what’s wrong with this picture?
  
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- BTC55
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 2:40pm
  Agree with your point but would you want to go poke fun at the New Black Panthers?
  
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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 2:49pm
  @BTC
  
  Sure, with pleasure actually. Since I go about in my daily routine openly armed I don’t think that my confrontation would result in anything except polite deference.
  
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- geomann
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 3:25pm
  Sure, but we would need to come up with some clever comical chants like “white flour” and “wife power”. That was really funny, and sure took the wind out of those racist sails. The same needs to be done with the New Black Panthers. Any clever writers out there want to take a crack(er) at at it? Maybe some giant Saltine crackers hanging in a noose or something?
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 3:32pm
  GEOMAN…
  
  I’d happily take a crack at it but anything involving nooses would be the opposite of clever. ditto watermelon, chicken & anything else stereotypical…..
  
  How bout being the opposite? They are Black Panthers, correct. So go as White Lions in big, fuzzy, ridiculous Lion outfits…. and don’t say anything other than “ROARRR” or “MEOW”. That would get your point across and make the militants look rather impotent.
  
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- fedupv2
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 4:33pm
  @eastinfection
  The last part of your handle explains why you like to troll; only to spread infection. HHHMMM like the KKK and New Black Pnthers.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 5:37pm
  FEDUP…..
  
  Yeah. I’m EXACTLY like the KKK and NBP…
  I can tell from your user profile that you’ve made a whole ten comments since the beginning of August…
  so you obviously know me well.
  
  Go back to Huffpo you whiney turd. We’re chock full of one-trick ponies here.
  
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2MINUTESTOMIDNIGHT
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 1:31pm
Looks like Biden is keeping himself busy post election.

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RANGER1965
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 1:27pm
These KKK and White Supremists chuckleheads are not going away. Like the Black Panthers they will be waiting in the wings until things get really bad.

When basic essentials start really going up, and Obamacare really gets cranking. Desperation and fear will grow, and these groups will be seen by many as reasonable alternatives rather than the nightmare that they are.

Just look at Greece, we will become a monster version of that failing state if things continue as they are.

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- justangry
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 1:39pm
  Let’s hope you’re wrong, but I’m not banking on it.
  
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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 1:54pm
  Yes, the same model worked for the Communists in Viet Nam (south). Just let things get horrible enough, and the Red coming to the village with free rice looks like a hero.
  
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- upeopleneedtogetalife
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 1:59pm
  Is it true that NAZIs are just Nationalists with a deep love of country and a healthy dose of cynicism towards the motives other races?
  
  Maybe the fact that blacks, Hispanics and Jews vote overwhelmingly Democrat should draw more suspicion instead of less? Maybe we really don’t need to open our borders wide for 3rd world immigrants when we are already consumed with identity politics now?
  
  What say ye?
  
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- barber2
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 2:04pm
  RANGER: And why do you suppose the New Far Left Democrats want to prevent the economy from improving ?? Provocation to violence and then repressive crack down. We thought it would happen before the election, but they managed to steal the election and NOW they will go for the crackdown. Stay tuned. A sure they were hoping that THESE CLOWNS would provoke a violent reaction. A well known tactic of the Left.
  
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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 2:05pm
  Doubt. Differences based on nothing but ethnicity or skin color are not based on cynicism and an intellectual answer to a perceived wrong. They’re rather based on ignorance and, dare I say, utter hogwash stupidity.
  
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- upeopleneedtogetalife
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 2:10pm
  Furthermore do you really in your heart of hearts believe that other races are interested in our old Constitutional Gov’t or are they just interested in redistribution?
  
  Realizing there’s an exception to ever rule but generally speaking?? Bell curve?
  
  Would you dispute that notion? Or are all of these Democratic voters really wanting a President constrained by the Constitution of the USA?
  
  Personally I beleive that you are high if you for one minute think that this country has not been spoiled corrupted and overthrown already.
  
  But we must stop that KKK and those Nationailists at all costs.. They are evil. But those who blatantly call for the destruction of the US Constitution such as Obama… well they’re just Democrats? lol
  
  Ranger.. seriously if you are indeed a Ranger then I suggest you grow a pair.
  
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- RANGER1965
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 2:13pm
  @UPEOPLENEEDTOGETALIFE
  
  Racial Supremists regardless of color are essentially fools. They fixate on something easy to see and make targets of those who don’t share the color of their skin, or looks. To me this is nothing but senseless evil.
  
  What can anyone do about his skin color or looks? It’s biology.
  
  However….if you want to go to war against an evil culture, or philosophy then I’m in.
  
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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 2:18pm
  @UPeople
  
  Oh come now. Everything you’re going on about was said at one time, in one form or another, about Gaels (Irish, Scots, the Manx) and other pearly white folk by whatever group had dominion over them at the time. Even here in these united States (“Irish need not apply!”). It’s an old song sung to a familiar old tune by the usual suspects. *yawn*
  
  I’ll take a constitutionalist non-white any day of the week over a lily white socialist. Socialism, of course, being a socio-economic theory developed by stark white Europeans.
  
  Race race race race race. It has become so predictable, so droll, and inane.
  
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- upeopleneedtogetalife
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 2:21pm
  So you completely dismiss the notion of Indenity politics which all main stream conservative Neo-Con pundits are even now admitting to? Which at its core simply implies that one votes according to race.
  
  And what really is race? Do you think race is simply skin color? Is there anyone that walks upright today who feels that race is only skin color? Race is indeed culture which one element is of course skin color.
  
  I believe you should do a little more thinking on the topic.
  
  Why do you give Obama and the hordes of Jews which selected him to undermine our Republic a pass but you condemn all Nationalists outright because they hold in my opinion a healthy distrust of the motives of other races?
  
  Simply is not very logical thought which you have engaged in.
  
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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 2:41pm
  @Upeople
  
  No, clearly identify politics is present and used heavily by the Left. Of course, the Nazis and KKK are and have always been products of, and patronized by, the Left. I see individuals as individuals, and find the winning argument to be “Individual rights for all, equally”. Trying to play the effeminate, emotion laden racist game with people well practiced in the art is an exercise in supreme futility. Cool, dispassionate reason with either prevail, or the emotional rage racist types on all sides will consume themselves destroying each other.
  
  Or put another way – Homey don’t play that.
  
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- upeopleneedtogetalife
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 2:47pm
  GhostOfJefferson
  
  “I’ll take a constitutionalist non-white any day of the week over a lily white socialist. Socialism, of course, being a socio-economic theory developed by stark white Europeans.”
  
  While you make some good points I would like to just add one more time that no one is really disputing the notion of Identity politics today ecept some of the supposedly Conservatives on the Blaze that are so afraid they may say something offensive to someone who really doesn’t give a rip about you anyway… lol
  
  The other problem is as I’ve pointed out I’m all for non White Constitionalists but it doesn’t change the fact that they are an anomoly.. Pretty much nonexistent with the exception of the 5-10%. In stats that would make a .1 or less correlation which pretty much means 0! Why do you and others fight the facts so hard?
  
  Finally I’m not a socialist nor do I advocate for anything socialistic; however, I think there is something relevant and pertinent about stressing and fighting for a “fair’ playing field for all. I don’t thnk our fellow Republicans do a very good job of it such as in the last 4 years of the GWB administration.
  
  Do you have any idea of the level of corruption that existed then? Literally 100s should have been put behind bars but the GOP turned a blind eye to it.
  
  One more thing, the entire Democrat party is engaging in Marxism on the level that even Karl never dreamed of in the late 1800s yet you’re willing to give them all a pass but
  
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- upeopleneedtogetalife
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 2:54pm
  GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 2:41pm
  
  Just because Glenn Beck says that the NAZIs and KKK were left doesn’t make it so. I realize the level that Blaze followers are tied up in that notion and there’s nothing I can do to fight it.. I simply try to call them like I see them.. Although I’m not a member of a nationalists group or kkk, I’d probably join in a nanosecond yet I don’t have a liberal bone in my body.
  
  The whole notion that these were liberal groups is pretty much absurd. You guys engage in intellectual dishonesty way too much. Wilcow, Hannity, Beck Limbaugh, Oreilly etc.. I know that even they don’t believe what they are saying.
  
  I’m not going to fight about the right or left paradigm but the truth is they were about 60-70% right wing and 30-40% leftist. .Nothing is ever as black or white as they”d have you believe.
  
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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 2:56pm
  @Up
  
  I’m a bit confused how saying that the Left clearly engages in identify politics, is giving them a pass.
  
  And I find the GOP reprehensible. They are irresponsible and clearly not fit to govern. Be that as it may, the Democrats are even more unfit by a factor of ten.
  
  My answer is that educating “group think” types about individualism will yield far more palatable fruit, than “whites” banding together and playing the same mindless games that the Dems play. The answer to collectivism has always been collectivism across history, and we had a world based on slavery, feudalism, dictatorships and thug culture. The first real answer that worked against collectivism was presented during the Enlightenment with the notion of individualism and individual rights. I’d rather try that path again instead of reverting to a policy whose horrible effects we have seen in living color for thousands of years.
  
  So yes, Left = identity politics. They are wrong to do so, clearly, and I condemn such antics. To condemn though, I cannot take up their tactics myself. Let’s start recreating Man as individual instead of reverting to “man” as a creature of the tribe.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 3:05pm
  GHOST and UPEOPLE…
  
  Sorry to interject but, i have been fascinated by this debate between you. My beliefs are in line with GHOST’s but kudos to both of you for actually having the rare intelligent, coherent, dialogue on the subject…
  Topics like this almost never get past the finger pointing and name- calling…
  By the way. I, too, advocate a fair playing field.. but i’m not so confident that’s what the KKK and Nazis are endorsing…
  
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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 3:14pm
  @Up
  
  Actually, based on research I was doing in the late 1980′s through early 1990′s, I had concluded even then that the Nazi (ne fascist) party was clearly a development of the Left. Even a casual glance at the roots of fascism in Europe sees it developing mainly from the organic anarcho-socialist movements of the early 1900′s (of which Mussolini was a disgruntled member). To say I was mocked at college for making that assertion without fear would be an understatement.
  
  And the KKK tie in to the Democratic losers of the South after the Civil War is a well known fact on all sides of the debate and is/was a prime vehicle for getting southern Democrats elected (losing a Democratic Congressman who was a grand wizard, recently, for example). How is this even a question?
  
  In short, don’t conclude that you’re dealing with a man who takes the word of a radio host as Gospel. That would be a rather large mistake.
  
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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 3:17pm
  @East
  
  Thank you. Up is approaching the topic honestly and with conviction that he’s right, and being quite civil, I’m quite happy to engage in discussions with him on this topic. And you’re right, nobody ever gets past the finger pointing stage, which is a real loss given how much rides on the outcome of such a debate on the national scale. Imagine putting racism to bed once and for all, finally. Instead we have bullied silence beat into the racist side, while the other side indulges in what they think is subtle racism all the while basically enslaving minorities in the name of compassion.
  
  Not sure if that’s clear, kind of a mind vomit from me. :) But thank you again. And thank you Up for keeping this quite refreshing. If only more would.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 3:44pm
  GHOST… just finished reading your other comments on the Indian thread. Turns out we have few things in common besides our Liberty-loving takes on sociopolitical evolution… Ere’s a wee gift for ya laddie:
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCrT96QJBfQ
  
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- upeopleneedtogetalife
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 6:41pm
  GhostOfJefferson: Well that’s a fair answer to the identity politics; however, I believe that you simply make a foundational mistake to believe that all men are equally capable of reason.. A very big leap and a cursory review of history proves that it’s just not so..
  
  Tell me this you hate 9-11 correct and believe the perps should be brought to justice I suppose? 3k American’s murdered. Yet order of 10k Whites have been murdered by blacks alone for 20-30 years straight in America and 100s of thousands of black on white rapes.. You are quick to overlook this fact?
  You may state white’s murder too and you’d be correct but the proportionality is not even close.. Just some rudimentary stats from like 2007 state that blacks making up less than 15% of US pop commit over 50% of the violent crime.. Yet this is no big deal? You gloss over it like it did not exist. I think you’d be surprised over how wide spread this was and I consider it an epidemic if you only knew about it… However the mainstream Media refuses to cover it..
  
  You a grown man.. I won’t try to persuade you too much because I suspect it’s a loss cause but try to see it from another’s point of view.
  
  Finally you are correct about the old Souther Dems; however you fail to mention that after the Civil Rights Act and Immigration Act they all bailed from the Dem Party to make up the Southern Republican coalition.. You and I both know it to be fact.. Why not a little intellectual honesty here? I believe th
  
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Iamaduck
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 1:26pm
Is that Glenn Beck in the white robe?

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- repairsea
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 1:36pm
  No, that’s Bill Clinton.
  
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- VRW Conspirator
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 1:38pm
  “Stimpy you IDIOT”
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 2:06pm
  is that IMADICK spewing hatred again?
  
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- 4truth2all
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 2:39pm
  Yeah , it’s pooping in the water again …
  
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DZ-015
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 1:23pm
Glad this didn’t end up like the Greensboro massacre of 1979; it’s really a sign of progeress.

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- football lady
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 5:40pm
  Was thinking the same thing. Idiots protesting idiots is not a good idea.
  
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- SCHEXbp
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:06am
  FINALLY. The CORRECT response.
  I lived in Greensboro during the 1979 “Death to the Klan” rally. Being belligerent to a handful of goofballs just made them go to the trunk of the car & get powerful weapons & kill several people. I always thought that one should bring beach chairs, soft drinks & noisemakers & confetti & sit & LAUGH & POINT at this handful of malcontents. After all, there are SO FEW active Klansmen in the USA that their rallies have maybe a dozen of them at a “big” rally. Being savage back at them just reinforces them & their response in kind.
  
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 1:22pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGekq3Jt5Go

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Crazy Times
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 1:20pm
Wow, I’m pretty sure the clowns are libs, but good job to them.

Nazis – i hate these guys < Indiana Jones

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- repairsea
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 1:37pm
  I dislike nazis too but the normally progression of Socialism is Fascism. Read your history.
  
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- Crazy Times
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 1:44pm
  Go jump in a lake, I didn’t say libs were cool.
  
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- barber2
  Posted on November 12, 2012 at 2:39pm
  Hitler was a member of the National Socialist Party which is just another type of Big Brother, in-your-face, 16 oz Soda government ! Big Brother is the social, political, environmental, and (anti) religious police too ! Big Brother is very BIG.
  
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