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‘Kids Without God’: Atheist Activists Launch Shocking Web Site to Convert Kids & Teens Into Non-Believers

Nov. 13, 2012 11:40am Billy Hallowell

The atheist activist community in America has taken an increasingly-active role in trying to convince citizens with doubts about their faith to fully evolve into non-believers and to “come out,” publicly proclaiming their anti-theism. Think of it as a form of secular evangelism. Already, non-believers have attempted to reach clergy who are in doubt through The Clergy Project. Additionally, there’s a humanist church service each week in Tulsa, Oklahoma (and these are only two examples). Now, in addition to reaching adults, atheist activists have their eyes set on converting kids and teens.

The American Humanist Association (AHA), a group that seeks to create “a progressive society where being good without gods” is widely accepted, has launched a new outreach web site called KidsWithoutGod.com. According to a press release put out by the organization, the project’s key intention is to attract “humanist, atheist and other non-traditionally religious kids” so that they can find information that is not colored by “supernaturalism.”

American Humanist Association Launches KidsWithoutGod.com to Attract Kids

A screen shot of some of the AHA’s ads for KidsWithoutGod.com

“Whether they already made up their minds to reject supernatural explanations, or are just questioning, it’s time to make available an online resource that’s built just for kids without God,” explained Roy Speckhardt, executive director of the AHA.

Speckhardt goes on in the news release to explain that children being reached by KidsWithoutGod.com might be from a variety of families. Their parents, perhaps, are “traditionally religious.” Or, as the humanist leader notes, the children may be “from families like that of President Barack Obama, whose mother was a secular humanist.” Speckhardt claims that the site is a friendly community for children who may not be ready or willing to ask an adult about non-belief.

Photo Credit: American Humanist Association

Among the educational topics that the web site touts, according to the release, are: religion in public schools, science, sexuality and discrimination, among others. One video on the children’s portal shows scientist Bill Nye describing evolution, for example. Considering that both children and teens are being reached through the project, there are two separate web portals designed for these two groups (each is accessible through KidsWithoutGod.com).

“With the plethora of websites geared toward teaching kids about Christianity, Judaism, or Islam, we’re pleased to add humanism to the discussion,” Speckhardt continued. “Kids should know there’s another way to learn about morals and values — it doesn’t need to come from traditional religion.”

A screen shot of the children’s portal on KidsWithoutGod.com

In an effort to get the word out, the AHA is spending $30,000 on an advertising campaign on 140 buses in the Washington, D.C. area. In addition to these placements, there will be Internet ads on Pandora, Facebook, Google, YouTube and other outlets (the press release also notes that Disney and National Geographic Kids turned the ads down based on their content).

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Lone Ranger
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:47pm
Where are all those people who rave about the rights of Muslim and Native American religions now? It appears that Christians are not deserving of “progressive” protection.

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- Hiswill
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:07pm
  Don’t expect any help, we are on our own.
  
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- YourArgumentIsInvalid
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:18pm
  no one is forcing you or your children to go this site. Just like no one is forcing Muslims to go to Pamella Geller’s hate blog. Hence there is no public liberal outcry to take away her ISP rights.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:37pm
  INVALID…
  
  “In an effort to get the word out, the AHA is spending $30,000 on an advertising campaign on 140 buses in the Washington, D.C. area. In addition to these placements, there will be Internet ads on Pandora, Facebook, Google, YouTube and other outlets…”
  
  Nobody is forcing my kids to want Captain Crunch cereal either but they keep begging for it.
  
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- YourArgumentIsInvalid
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:45pm
  and how many ads are out there for faith, suggesting that kids believe in a god?
  
  No one is forcing these children to believe in a…. oh wait there are plenty of people that force kids to believe in a god.
  
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- wvernon1981
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:47pm
  Free speech.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:56pm
  INVALID…
  
  1st off… you can’t really FORCE anyone to believe anything…
  
  2nd.. i don’t condone ads that prey on children regardless of whether or not they are secular or faith-based..
  
  I don’t really want my kids subjected to unsolicited evangelism of any sort..
  
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- turkey13
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 3:08pm
  And we spend millions at university’s studying the cases of kids coming to school, (Columbine, Virginia Tech) and killing their classmates. You can’t mention God at school, no pledge. Kids parents just have kids and turn them loose and since they don’t even know what a Bible is they have no idea of the difference between right or wrong. When they kill it’s just like playing one of their games.
  
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- DEMOCRATS.ARE.EVIL
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 3:15pm
  Funny…atheists are never too old to have imaginary friends. It’s the only kind they have.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 3:30pm
  Actually TURKEY…
  
  I’d guess that those Columbine kids rationalized their behavior much the same way a lot of Blazers rationalize their fantasies of “whacking” trolls…
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 3:31pm
  lol DEMOCRATS.. that’s funny..
  
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- Bluebonnet
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 3:31pm
  God Help Us. GOD help us, GOD HELP US, God help us. Satan, get behind us in Jesus Name.
  
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- PCDoctors4u2
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 3:56pm
  The progressives do not offer positive solutions, only the destruction of what is…
  I have nine children under my roof. It is interesting to watch babies pull toys from the hands of other babies and the tug of war that ensues. Without the intervention of a higher authority with a knowledge of right and wrong the norm would be Might Makes Right! Anarchy would be the law of the land. This article suggests that they have a source for instilling the difference from right and wrong to the young inexperienced mind without a Biblical Road Map. I do not know how a society or “Global, Family, Village” can succeed without a code to live by that incorporates the truths that are the Virtues outlined in the Holy Bible? There is no middle ground here. It is not my job to convince you, The choice is yours and always has been.You are For Jesus Christ or you are ANTICHRIST.
  
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- brother_ed
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 4:06pm
  I am in no way surprised nor upset by this. Satan is taking advantage of the hypocritical behavior on display.
  
  The best way to convert anyone to your lifestyle is to be happy.
  
  If I claim that belief in God is best, then I had better be happy. Too many Christians go around grumbling and complaining. If I was their child, I would run away from religion, too!
  
  Jesus said, “Come, follow me”, inviting us to take upon us His yoke with the promise that He would ease our burdens. He did not invite us to follow Him so that our knockers would be in knots.
  
  If we are living our religion, our countenances will be bright and our dispositions cheerful. This is how to win hearts and minds.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 4:09pm
  PCDOC…
  
  I’m a Christian and i raise my kids as such but i don’t think sentences like “You are For Jesus Christ or you are ANTICHRIST” are helpful. In fact, i think they are the opposite.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 4:15pm
  BROTHER ED….
  
  Exactly….. this 2min song we all remember from childhood explains it perfectly….
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KdfYf7eTOk
  
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- Keatonc333
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 4:24pm
  Spot on east infection!
  
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- brother_ed
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 5:11pm
  @EASTINFECTION
  
  Hahaha! I often sing that when I’m opening the blinds! My kids just think I’m whacked!
  
  Thanks for the link.
  
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- SPIN_MD
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 5:29pm
  @HISWILL
  
  I’d rather be “on my own” with God than in the herd with the heathen.
  
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- BuzzardSays
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 5:38pm
  Atheists…these lost souls are malignant narcissists like Obama. They believe they have thought it all out. No gods is their hope. What is really going on…they have no desire to come to an answer that points to the possibiility of God. And they really have a bad day when Christians say that the only way to the Father is through Jesus. We are simply the messenger and what these fools do with that knowledge ultimately is what dooms them.
  
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- Marine25
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 5:49pm
  @loneranger
  The muslim and native american gods are just as fictional. Why do christians always think atheists favor other man-made gods more than the christian man-made gods? We don’t believe in any gods, just one more than the number you don’t believe in.
  
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- Reality_Bites_You_on_the_Ass
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 8:07pm
  DEMOCRATS.ARE: I guess you thought you were being clever before you understood how moronic of a claim it was.
  
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- rickc34
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 8:47pm
  Atheist’s are just like the Muslims they both live by their own set of rules.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 9:28pm
  REALITY BITES…
  
  Democrat made a joke… When you get hyper defensive about jokes… you only serve to validate his point… people joke around with each other… it’s part of the ritual of making FRIENDS.
  
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- Reclaiming Our Nation
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 10:56pm
  Here is another interesting video that was compiled by someone on the current state of some of our youth. Is this the future or is this just a phase? You Decide
  
  http://reclaimingournation.blogspot.com/p/you-decide.html
  
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- do_it_all_again
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 11:23pm
  @EAST,,,
  please read Matthew 12:30,
  JESUS himself said : “He who is not with me is against me” ,
  
  and MARK 9:40,
  JESUS says: “For he who is not against us, is on our side”
  
  so your either for CHRIST, or ANTI-CHRIST, JESUS own words.
  And i believe the TRUTH is always helpful !
  
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- do_it_all_again
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 11:42pm
  @EAST,,,
  “I’m a Christian and i raise my kids as such but i don’t think sentences like “You are For Jesus Christ or you are ANTICHRIST” are helpful. In fact, i think they are the opposite.”
  ————————————————————————————————-
  
  I hope you understand that when it comes to what JESUS says, it doesnt matter what you think,
  JESUS IS ALWAYS right,, remember in JOHN 14:6 JESUS said “I am the way, the truth, and the life”,
  so that makes Matthew 12:30, and Mark 9:40 the TRUTH,, and your opinion, a lie, According to
  Romans 3:4 “let God be true, but every man a liar”.
  
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- PATTY HENRY
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 1:10am
  WELL, we’re NOT on our own . WE have the CREATOR of the UNIVERSE with US. ! Know your stuff, people so you can gently speak it to kids: Darwin was never 100% proven – his theory – in fact this was a major scandal about the first of last Century. (Kind of like our Global warming)
  
  ANY child who really wants to know the truth only has to ASK GOD himself. That’s where atheists fall down and to the Atheists I would offer this: The one thing that our CREATOR, OUR LORD GOD ALMIGHTY really doesn’t seem to care much for is people who lead Children Astray – who harm “the least of us” … HE even says “It would be better that you had never been born” than have to face what you will face.
  
  There is nothing “IMAGINARY” about GOD ! The closer you draw to Him the more YOU will “see” and feel and know. Atheists cannot explain the creation or existence of the world. They are not smart enough to even begin to comprehend the amazing Force that is GOD. They (like us) use about 1% of their brain and their capacity for knowledge is so limited. They have no vision, but they sure have a lot of pride – thinking that somehow they are in control. I would hate to be any of them.
  
  Parents/ Grand Parents … it’s up to YOU to set the example of leaning on GOD, Trusting IN GOD, Praying to GOD. All of us who believe have hundreds of examples when GOD had shown us miracles.
  Poor, pitiful little atheists. You came to the dining hall but you missed the feas
  
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- old white guy
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 8:16am
  unfortunately, without God morals do not exist. ethics becomes the watch word. unfortunately, ethics are situational without God.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 8:37am
  DOITALLAGAIN….
  
  I said i was a Christian. I did not say that i am a Christian as DOITALLAGAIN defines it.
  Jesus was the only perfect person ever.
  HE did not write the New Testament….
  The entire Bible was written by imperfect sinners trying to advance their own agendas…. and then it was translated, mistranslated, and reverse mistranslated multiple times by other imperfect sinners trying to advance THEIR own agendas…
  It’s kind of like listening to a book on tape that’s been translated from English to Russian to Japanese and then back to English again. It is playing the childhood gossip game of “telephone” on an existential scale…
  There is much wisdom in these Gospels… but i believe you have to read “between the lines” to grasp the Christ’s true intentions and messages… and i am at peace with my interpretation of Christ’s message…. and i will not allow others to tell me they have been granted the infallible “Rosetta Stone” of Salvation…
  I respect your freedom to believe and practice as you see fit, as long as it doesn’t involve stepping on my toes and acting as God, yourself, condemning your lesser counterparts to eternal fire… i condemn no man as i have not been granted that authority and neither have you..
  
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- boba
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 9:40am
  Folks…this is very simple. There are two different sets of beliefs.Athiests think there is no God,no Satan, no Heaven, and no Hell. So when they die, there is nothing. So they are safe.(according to them) Now, true Christians believe the opposite. So Heaven is waiting them after they die. So it comes down to which is true. If the Athiest veiw is true, we are all safe (because there is nothing). There is no punishment for NOT being an Athiest. BUT, if the Christian view is true, the Athiests are screwed…because there IS punishment for being a non believer. True Christians are safe either way. So why do I keep saying “true” Christians? I’m glad you asked. Just because you CALL yourself a Christian, does not mean you are one. You can’t just show up at church once a week or once in a while and expect God to just open the gates wide for you. Follow and obey Jesus and you’ll see your reward.
  
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- bonesiii
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 9:56am
  “Meet Darwin” — wow, talk about atheism being a religion. Have you ever wondered why, given that almost everything he taught has now been disproven, evolutionists still idolize Darwin, and not some more modern evolutionist like Gould?
  
  I think it’s because Darwin had an adventurous life. He sailed all over, he was on the frontier of discovery! He’s more emotionally impressive than modern evolutionists who just go to school, parrot the answers they’re fed, and get a diploma, then go sit in front of a bunch of students to teach, write books, blah blah blah.
  
  In other words, he’s a founder of a (false) religion. The others are just followers.
  
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- The Giver
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:07am
  They do have a god. The god of big government. This is not a small government bunch. What a deception. National Geographic and Disney did the right thing.
  Getting God out of the way is crucial to big government. That is a fact. Check it out. It is old, but it works on the uninformed.
  
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- Pontiaku
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:29am
  @The Giver
  [They do have a god. The god of big government. This is not a small government bunch. ~
  Getting God out of the way is crucial to big government.]
  I find this amusing. Government and progressives have no issue using god to further their agenda. Social Justice has its roots in Christianity. The more government wraps itself in god the more god like it becomes. Christians have been blindly voting for big government progressives for decades.
  
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- brother_ed
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:30am
  @EASTINFECTION
  
  Weren’t we just talking about folks like DO_IT_ALL_AGAIN?
  
  I am saddened when fellow Christians use such strong language in their defense of their beliefs…
  
  I enjoyed your analogy of the “English to Russian to Japanese and then back to English again”, good stuff.
  
  People who go around telling others how wrong they are fail to realize that the only difference between ‘others’ and ‘them’ is that the ‘others’ haven’t learned something that ‘they’ only learned 5 minutes ago.
  
  God is patient, kind and loving. He continually calls us to Him.
  
  There is no person so lost that they cannot be reclaimed, nor any soul sufficiently saved that they can’t be lost.
  
  Those who condemn people for being un-believers are only partially correct – it would require that person to die in their sins. As long as a person is still alive, there is time to repent.
  
  I wish our fellow Christians would get off of the condemnation soapbox and get to work living the Gospel. There is much work to be done and I fear time is growing short.
  
  The Gospel is a message of good news, not hell-fire and damnation. True, there are warnings, but the emphasis should not be placed on them. We should emphasize the peace and joy that comes from living the Gospel, not the punishments for disobedience.
  
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- The Giver
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:46am
  Looks like my imaginary friend is very threatening to their agenda. They are the ones with the imaginary enemies like CO2.
  Government needs God out of the way of people’s hearts in order to grow into the behemoth that it truly is. It never ends well.
  
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- Plu
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 12:33pm
  @BOBA
  You (and many other uninformed christians with you) make the flaw of assuming that there are only two options; either there is nothing or there is the christian god. What about the Muslim god, Allah? What about the Jewish god? What about the ancient roman gods Jupiter and Apollo? Or the ancient Greek gods Zeus and Mars? Or the ancient Egyptian gods Ra and Horus? What about the Norse gods Odin and Thor?
  
  Any of them could be awaiting you in the afterlife as well. You’re not as safe as you think. There’s a lot of gods out there. And any of them could be the real god awaiting after your death.
  
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- binge_thinker
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 5:44pm
  Long ago the Psalmist had a word for the zealots of the aha and ffrf — it goes like this “The fool says in his heart, there is no God” (Ps. 14). How foolish indeed to confidently deny the existence of a Being simply because one has not yet personally found Him or been found by Him because of their self-imposed ignorance. This is the very definition of a lost, and in the end, unintelligent and unwise creature, standing as he does against the backdraft of the posture and position of most of the most brilliant minds in all ages of history, and spitting into the prevailing wind.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 6:15pm
  Brother Ed…
  
  You sound like a reasonable person with love in their heart rather than malice or judgement. Glad you enjoyed the Pebbles and BamBam link… Peace be with you brother.
  
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- PubliusPencilman
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 6:43pm
  Wait a minute Lone Ranger–what exactly are you looking for protection against? Some web site?
  
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- paperpushermj
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 9:32pm
  How is this not Proselytizing ?
  
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- jimv2000
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:26pm
  There’s no “right” that anyone has to protect them from exposure to differing opinions.
  
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- do_it_all_again
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:41pm
  @EAST & @BROTHER,
  i am sorry if you think i am condemning you, i was not !
  what i was doing was pointing out the words of JESUS Himself, and if that is condemning you,
  well then you are condemned by your own words, because you are rejecting the words of JESUS.
  And i was not trying to step on any ones toes,
  It would be different if i were just spouting off whatever came to mind, but if you will read the BIBLE,
  you would see that what i wrote was quoted accurately.
  Unfortunately, you cant call yourself a Christian, and then just make it up as you go along ! The whole part of being a Christian is trying to walk in the ways of CHRIST, and ignoring his words is not walking in his way, im not perfect, nor do i think i and CHRIST, but to follow CHRIST, you need to at least read, accept, and follow the words he said.
  2 Timothy 3:16 says : “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness”
  And 2 Peter 1:20 says: “Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.” so we dont get to interpret scripture just any way we want, it says what it means, and means what it says. If you cant stand someone to quote scripture to you, maybe you should re-think calling yourself a Christian. Because it is all about GOD, JESUS, HOLY SPIRIT, and the written WORD.
  NOT our feelings, or what we want to believe on any certain day.
  
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- do_it_all_again
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:08pm
  @EAST
  I am not trying to define Christianity, Christianity is defined only by CHRIST himself, and his word.
  What i was trying to say was that if we go changing what he says, ignore the things that are written,
  or try to make them mean what we want them to mean, then its not His WORD, or Christianity any longer.
  And i do agree with you about there being so many different translations, and they have been changed and watered down to the point that they have lost GODS true meaning.
  Whenever possible i try to use translations as close to the original Hebrew, Aramaic,and Greek language as possible, since i can not read the original languages, i do need a translation.
  You are also correct in saying the writers were all sinners and fallen humans ( as am i ), but GOD gave the inspiration for scripture through the HOLY SPIRIT, and i do the best that i can buy trusting in, and following the written word and the leading of the HOLY SPIRIT.
  I only wanted to point out in the first post, that JESUS does point out a very clear distinction of those who are for or against the Kingdom of GOD, and where JESUS is concerned ( according to his word ) there is no middle ground, your either for the things of GOD or your not
  
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- brother_ed
  Posted on November 15, 2012 at 12:00am
  @EAST
  
  Back at ya!
  
  @DO_IT_ALL_AGAIN
  
  My apologies. I am not questioning your faith, only your delivery.
  
  I am very aware of what Christ said, I read the Bible everyday (or almost).
  
  My desire would be that we, as Christians, would use a little more honey than vinegar; a little less damnation and a little more hope.
  
  I do not disregard the words of Christ, I just try to carefully choose which ones I say.
  
  I think “blessed are the peacemakers” is very important at this time.
  
  Again, I apologize. My tone doesn’t come through the written word very well sometimes. I’ll work on that.
  
  Rest assured that I love all people the best I can. I also understand that perfection is a path and we ar not all at the same mile marker. Therefore I allow them mistakes and would rather encourage them than to admonish them.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 15, 2012 at 12:18am
  DOITALLAGAIN….
  
  I read the Bible, too.
  I also drink coffee.
  
  Sometimes i get irritated when the waitress at Dennys keeps trying to top off my cup when it’s nearly full and i’ve already said “no thank you” multiple times… ;)
  
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- Plu
  Posted on November 15, 2012 at 4:51am
  DO_IT_ALL_AGAIN, are you a socialist? Because Christ certainly acted like one, but not a lot of his followers seem to.
  
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- Pontiaku
  Posted on November 15, 2012 at 9:39am
  Plu, I didn’t know an individuals salvation could be had through a government redistributing other peoples wealth. (Not that I believe the salvation/afterlife crap anymore.)
  
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- Plu
  Posted on November 15, 2012 at 10:22am
  Probably not. But if you look at Jesus’ life and his way of acting, the guy was a huge socialist. Whether you go through government or charity, you’d better be donating 80% of your income at least if you want to emulate him. And donate to everyone, not just those who think like you.
  
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- Pontiaku
  Posted on November 15, 2012 at 11:48am
  Don’t think so. Just because he said render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s doesn’t mean the Roman Government or Caesar was charitable. It could simply mean he didn’t want to be executed or imprisoned for tax evasion. Though the bible is so convoluted anyone can distort it to suit their agenda. This is why I defer to Frederic Bastiat and Ayn Rand on economic issues. Not some bronze age carpenter we know little about and what is known is entirely questionable and fanciful.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 15, 2012 at 2:01pm
  PLU…
  personally i believe Jesus was a freedom- loving Libertarian trying to help his people break free of social bondage by empowering them to reject monolithic fascism… but, i’d like to give you my take on Socialism.
  Socialism is good. So is a dictatorial Monarchy. So is Communism. So is Capitalism. So is anarchy… they all have their place.
  Dictatorial Monarchies are perfect for households, and raising infant children.
  Communism is good for your extended family and the people you trust and rely on honestly.
  Socialism is good for your neighborhood and the folks that keep an eye on your home and children when you’re not there.
  Democracy is good for regaining focus in your socialistic community when the socially dominant element has too much influence..
  Constitutional Republics are essential to maintaining order within the democratically determined community.
  Anarchy is necessary when all the aforementioned systems have become too corrupt to function in such a way that recognizes the freedom of the individual in these communities….
  Capitalism, however, is how all these systems motivate and empower their constituents to survive.
  It is the only element that is truly needed in all the scenarios.
  
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- Plu
  Posted on November 15, 2012 at 5:03pm
  A fair system to work by. Not neccesarily one I agree with, but at least well thought out, so you deserve a cookie for that alone.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 15, 2012 at 8:11pm
  PLU…
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye8mB6VsUHw
  
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- Travelassie
  Posted on November 17, 2012 at 12:13pm
  Lone Ranger, why would you think this is a movement solely against Christianity? Seems to me that the organization is striking out against a believe in G-d- as understood to be a Supreme Being, in whatever form believers of any faith perceive this Supreme Being to be. And in case you didn’t realize, most faiths believe in a Supreme Being Who is responsible for all that is.
  
  And FYI, many people of faith also believe in evolution. Evolution and G-d are not mutually exclusive.
  
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- bdsconserv
  Posted on November 17, 2012 at 12:42pm
  where do they get the funding for all this? taxpayers? as irv homer used to say,follow the money trail…
  
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- SELECT
  Posted on November 17, 2012 at 2:58pm
  @YourArgumentIsInvalid – YEAH, and you are blind as a bat. do you really think this isn’t happening in your kids schools? liberals are teaching them everything about gays being a normal “choice”, hating capitalism, not teaching “real” american history, no civics, you name it. why don’t you wake up?
  
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- Oilfield_Trash
  Posted on November 17, 2012 at 4:38pm
  @HISWILL
  We are not alone, regardless of who or what we are, we are never alone, all we have to do is have faith. I fully understand the sentiment though, some folks can really test your faith.
  
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- crashaxe
  Posted on November 17, 2012 at 7:04pm
  I’m reminded of Matthew 18:6 But whoso shall cause one of these little ones that believe on me to stumble, it is profitable for him that a great millstone should be hanged about his neck, and that he should be sunk in the depth of the sea.
  And also Luke 17:1-2 17-1And he said unto his disciples, It is impossible but that occasions of stumbling should come; but woe unto him, through whom they come! 17:2 It were well for him if a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were thrown into the sea, rather than that he should cause one of these little ones to stumble.
  
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- Wisdom7
  Posted on November 17, 2012 at 7:44pm
  @Invalid
  
  You know I am still waiting for an example of Christians forcing people to believe. I keep hearing that crap on here and still waiting.
  
  God doesn’t want anyone to be “forced” to love him. If they are forced, then it isn’t real. So please just stop with lies already.
  
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- Pontiaku
  Posted on November 17, 2012 at 7:56pm
  Enough with the scripture. All it has done is cost fiscal conservatives an election because you people can’t put forth a valid argument without your imaginary sky bully and some fictitious afterlife which has nothing to do with their instant gratification.
  
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Maji
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:46pm
Is it hard to believe the left thinks man started by growing on
a rock?
I believe they originated when something was scarlet from
a shoe!

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- NeilChapin
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:52pm
  Aethism is a religion just like Christianity, and they arroantly proclaim they don’t beleive in God, but they do believe in the god of secularism. Read fresh political commentary at:http://smallcraftadvisorychronicles.blogspot.com/
  
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- Atheist
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:57pm
  Atheism is a religion like bald is a hair color.
  
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- conservativealien
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 3:13pm
  Atheism is a religion like bald is a hair color.???
  
  Actually, you should say “Atheism is a religion like bald is a hair style”!
  
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- SoNick
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 3:38pm
  here are a few more:
  
  “atheism is a religion like not collecting stamps is a hobby”
  “atheism is a religion like abstinence is a sex position”
  
  just remember: atheism is a non prophet organization
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 4:23pm
  CONSERVATIVEALIEN….
  
  they were being sarcastic. try to keep up.
  
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- UnwantedFoe
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 4:45pm
  Atheism is its own belief system, similar to religions except the belief that there is no higher powers. Its not a way of life, nor any guiding principles which you can get from religion.
  
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- pantokrator
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 11:26pm
  Atheism is still technically a religion. Religion is merely a holding to a set of beliefs. It does not need to be specifically in the belief in a god. If one believes there is no god, they believe religiously that there is no god.
  
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vox_populi
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:38pm
Fantastic. We’ll be up to 51% nontheism within another generation.

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- holy ghostbuster
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 4:02pm
  With any luck.
  
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- Git-R-Done
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:17pm
  In other words, religious freedom is under threat.
  
  Atheists are not trustworthy when it comes to defending religious freedom.
  
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- binge_thinker
  Posted on November 17, 2012 at 2:07am
  Yeah…don’t count those chickens anytime soon.
  
  More Than 9 in 10 Americans Continue to Believe in God
  
  http://www.gallup.com/poll/147887/americans-continue-believe-god.aspx
  
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hflndrs
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:23pm
I really don’t care what God you believe in.

The United States is based on the premise of a Creator, it doesn’t matter if you think your Creator was a supreme being, aliens or a bolt of lightning that struck a puddle of goo. We get our rights from a Creator not the Government.

We need to make the children understand power comes from the Creator to the People then to Government.

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- Chatikh
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:47pm
  If the creator is lightning hitting a pond, then it’s not a “Creator”. Atheists have a perfect concept of “inalienable rights” without believing they come from a “Creator”. They come from the idea of basic human rights, and societies which impede on basic human rights are pretty screwy places to live, with less advancement, education, etc. America is awesome that we have a constitution that forbids denying our basic human rights, even though it isn’t always practiced. No “Creator” gave us that constitution, men who decided that a government based on the people did.
  
  So, in short, you’re wrong about the “Creator” thing.
  
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- Zwolle
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:02pm
  Just a question Chatikh, what are those basic human rights that the Constitution fordids the denying of? Please list them.
  
  Z
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:04pm
  You don’t quite get it CHATIKH…
  
  Our rights come from a Creator whether it’s manifested though a personified deity or Natural law. You’re essentially advocating the same thing whether or not you associate with a “sky God” or human nature/ nurture… The point is this… our rights are instictive… man yearns to be free and has the natural intuition to avoid self-destruction unless their instincts have been perverted by the most selfish among us.
  
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- Chatikh
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:10pm
  Ok I agree with EASTINFECTION.
  
  ZWOLLE, read a book please.
  
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- Zwolle
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:19pm
  Chatikh,
  
  I asked a simple question, not trying to be snide, and you replied with an smart@ss answer. You answered my question without even knowing it. Thanks.
  
  Z
  
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- Plu
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 9:14am
  “man yearns to be free and has the natural intuition to avoid self-destruction”
  
  That’s why we drink and smoke ourselves to death en-masse, gorge on sugar and fat despite them being horribly unhealthy and have a preference for violent and agressive sports and hobbies like rugby and skydiving?
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 7:03pm
  PLU….
  
  Thanks for cherry picking my statement and leaving out the qualifying second half of that sentence.
  
  I said “man yearns to be free and has the natural intuition to avoid self-destruction UNLESS THEIR INSTINCTS HAVE BEEN PERVERTED BY THE MOST SELFISH AMONG US.”
  
  I believe that explains the smoking, drinking, and sugar consumption. Please show me the statistics proving “rugby and skydiving” cause an overwhelming percentage of fatalities and/ or hasten mankind’s extinction.. lol… Lighten up chief. Live a little.
  
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- Plu
  Posted on November 15, 2012 at 2:52am
  I guess almost all of us have been corrupted then. Alcohol abuse and smoking are problematic across the world, in faith and without. Hell, catholics even drink in church.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 15, 2012 at 3:02pm
  PLU…
  
  i eat cannibals
  feed on animals
  you’re love is so edible
  to me
  i eat cannibals ;)
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fb2kzEqFQo
  
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- Oilfield_Trash
  Posted on November 17, 2012 at 5:02pm
  @CHATIKH
  What are you smokin’? “Evolution” is actually based on “Faith”, misplaced faith to be sure. The only truism of evolution is that it always evolving. If evolution is true, how can we ever have an endangered species? Wouldn’t they have just “evolved”? Where would moral law come from, I could be a killer and not be prosecuted because I haven’t evolved high enough to have gotten rid of the animal instinct, you don’t judge predatory animals for killing, that’s their nature, with your philosophy, someone could argue the same.I’m sure you also believe in the “Big Bang”, obviously “something”:had to be there to explode, who created that? But most importantly, what if christians are right (and they are) and you are wrong? Would it hurt to at least explore that avenue, I mean If you are right you’ve lost nothing, you die that’s it, if you’re wrong it’s your everlasting soul. You seem to be an extremly intelligent person, narrow minded maybe, but wouldn’t it be worth a shot to get to know Jesus. You have to admit there is alot in life that can’t be explained by secular science or evolution. Either way, I’ll pray for you, God Bless…
  
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Old Ogre
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:18pm
We need to force the atheists into being declared a religion. They have met all the requirements to be declared one now right down to worshipping a non-entity called the holy spirit of self-worship.

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- ltb
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:28pm
  Actually, the federal courts have ruled that atheism is a religion (Kaufman v. McCaughtry). Here’s what’s I want to know… Since atheism is a religion and since Evolution is a doctrine of atheism (i.e., according to the first plank of the Humanist Manifesto), why haven’t any Christians filed lawsuits to stop the State from favoring the atheist doctrine of Evolution over the Christian doctrine of Creation in our public schools? If I had children in public schools, I would have filed a lawsuit a long time ago.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:31pm
  That argument makes no sense to me whatsoever. A rejection of mysticism isn’t mysticism.
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:43pm
  JUSTANGRY
  
  Mysticism does not accurately tell you whats going to happen before it happens like the Scriptures do. In fact, the bible is a full 1/3 PROPHECY
  
  Just look at what is going on in the middle east. Isaiah 17:1 and Psalm 83 are taking place right before your eyes.
  
  And, the resurrection/rapture is at the door http://youtu.be/ahEVxIzlxwo
  
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- Chatikh
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:52pm
  Whether a federal court rules atheism a religion or not does not make atheism a religion. Religions are based on faith and lack of evidence. Atheism and evolution are based on science and evidence. Atheism is a philosophy in a way so that can be stopped from being taught in schools, but evolution is a major biological theory based on tons of evidence, so it will never be ruled a doctrine. It’s a theory that happens to support atheism, nothing more.
  
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- eyesofbob
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 3:20pm
  That would be fantastic. I would love to be able to keep my property taxes and income taxes and still be able to engage in activist electioneering as much as I want.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 6:36pm
  @THERAPTURCOMES, Prophesies are often self-fulfilling, ambiguous or a coincidence. Also it seems that by your definition Nostradamus was a god.
  
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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 1:04am
  Evolution could be disproven, therefore it isn’t faith.
  
  There is no one book of “atheism” that Atheists retreat to and constantly quote to defend their position on everything.
  
  I don’t worship anybody. I don’t worship myself. I don’t worship anything.
  
  If you were to know me, you would find that I find the idea of worship revolting and think that there is no one and nothing on this planet, past, present, future that is worth worship.
  
  No one is always right
  No one is always deserving a praise
  Someones actions must always be questioned.
  
  That is the antithesis of worship.
  
  So please stop with the “worship of self” or “worship of humanism” and other nonsense.
  
  I don’t go to a building once, twice, three times a week to speak to other atheists.
  
  I don’t perform any rituals in regards to my “atheism”
  
  So let’s please stop with this “atheism is a religion” nonsense.
  
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- woody4_rom828
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 3:18am
  Christianity is based on faith yes, but not for “lack of evidence”. Romans 1:20 comes to mind where Gods “invisible qualities, eternal power and divine nature are clearly seen being understood by what has been made..”.
  
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- WHATYOUSAY
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:19am
  @ CHATIKH
  
  Whether a federal court rules atheism a religion or not does not make atheism a religion. Religions are based on faith and lack of evidence. Atheism and evolution are based on science and evidence. Atheism is a philosophy in a way so that can be stopped from being taught in schools, but evolution is a major biological theory based on tons of evidence, so it will never be ruled a doctrine. It’s a theory that happens to support atheism, nothing more.
  
  Here is where the faith of the atheist comes into play. Atheists assert that human life is objectively valuable as advertised by groups like this AHA. Please point me to the scientific evidence that proves this is true. Since you won’t be able to find any, that reduces this assertion to a “belief” without evidence OR . . . . . Faith. And evolution does not support atheism. There are plenty of theists who accept the theory of evolution.
  
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justangry
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:18pm
This wouldn’t be all that bad if Objectivism was being taught to coincide with this. If the Randians were smart, they’d reach out to this same demographic. The only problem I see, is the secular progressives are still teaching them to harness their emotions rather than “rational self-interest”.

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- checkingbothsides
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:05pm
  You know, I used to be Randian, and I still believe in a lot of the things she said. I believe in the concept of enlightened/rational self-interest. But you know why I became a Progressive? I decided that my self-interest coincided with that of others. When one rises, we all rise. I checked my premises, and found that no contradiction existed.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 6:46pm
  Well you’re probably much further along than I am, but I can’t see my thought process moving towards being a progressive. I love freedom and individualism too much. All progressives, both left and right, seem to do is push for laws that curtail both. Besides a corrupt and inexpedient federal government can’t fix our nation’s problems. They are the problem.
  
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HKS
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:13pm
Just an interesting question, how do atheist kids (and atheist in general for that matter) know the difference between right and wrong? Is this what we need, more valueless, soulless, clueless people. Just who is teaching those values or are they just lost souls.

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- BODYBAG
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:32pm
  Very nice question. Who fills the void?
  P-R-O-G-R-E-S-S-I-V-E-S
  
  Think of it as the recruitment of little soldiers for the cause because thats exactly what it is
  
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- sabate
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:32pm
  Have them read Immanuel Kant’s “Critique of Practical Reason”.
  
  Then have them refer to these writers: http://bit.ly/g30Wen
  
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- sabate
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:37pm
  Have them read Immanuel Kant’s “Critique of Practical Reason”.
  
  Then refer them to these writers: http://bit.ly/g30Wen
- Chatikh
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:08pm
  I was an atheist at 13. Surprisingly, I’ve been able to go through life without killing, shoplifting, burglarizing, raping, vandalizing, stealing cars, even adultery. I don’t know why religious people find it so hard to understand that atheists have morals, when I consider their basis for morality to be stronger than those for fundamentalist religious people (not just Christians, but all fundamental versions of religions). This is because I see these people basing their morality not on empathy and often not even on their holy texts, but based on what their religious leaders tell them. Examples include muslims who were taught that it is a good thing to hijack planes and crash them into buildings and those who bomb abortion clinics or forbidding black people from being religious leaders until 1978 or those who put cyanide in Kool-aid. The KKK justify their actions and beliefs on the Bible, which isn’t hard since it’s full of racism and murder and rape, etc. I see people on here repeating the same ridiculous beliefs over and over and over, because religions require a person to ignore outside information and believe whatever they are told. Believe it or not, I know quite a bit of the bible, but biblical literalists don’t even bother to learn about evolution.
  
  This was a bit of a rant, but if you believe atheists have no basis for morality, then you know nothing.
  
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- jay1975
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:13pm
  Seeing how many civilizations before your Christians even existed had morals, laws, knew right from wrong, etc. it is absurd to believe or claim that these things come only from your, or another, religion. Knowing right from wrong is as simple as the golden rule, which predates the Bible by quite a bit. It is the simplest concept, but holds true in any culture; treat others as you wish to be treated. I don’t need a 2,000 year old fairy tail to tell me that.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:17pm
  @HKS, Reason, empathy, parental guidance, experience, etc.
  
  Sabate, Anyone reading Kant, should also check out Ayn Rand DESTROY his entire philosophy. Kant was a collectivist, dude. Seriously, you’re citing an ivy league elitist and champion of the left here.
  
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- guz75
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:23pm
  I pity anyone who needs religion to understand the difference between right and wrong. Take a look at the Scandinavian countries. Almost no religion, yet they don’t murder, rape, steal etc. in fact quite the opposite.
  
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- God_Is_Not
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:39pm
  For thousands of years religion has relied on secular society for its morals.
  
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- 4truth2all
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:45pm
  Yo Chitakh:
  
  You know what they say … hell is for good people, heaven is for sinners. If you gonna stand before the judge and your guilty, you better get a good lawyer.
  
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- 4truth2all
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:50pm
  Yo Guz75:
  
  You mean the open use of drugs and the acceptence of homosexuality …etc ?
  
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- guz75
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:15pm
  4TRUTH2ALL
  What the hell are you talking about? Sounds like you’re muddling Scandinavia with the Netherlands, not that I’d expect you to know the difference.
  
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- guz75
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:23pm
  4TRUTH2ALL
  And yes, they probably are more accepting of homosexuality, because they don’t have religious interpratation telling them it’s wrong. You’re talking about countries with some of the lowest crime rates in the world, considerably less murder, rape etc. than America per capita, but due to religion you’re main concern is homosexuality. Grow up!
  
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- 4truth2all
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:32pm
  Yo Guz75:
  
  Gave you the short list …sorry, I don’t measure up to your level of maturity. I already have made my choice of God … guess what? you didn’t make it!
  
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- 4truth2all
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:38pm
  Yo Guz75:
  
  The reason we understand “right from wrong” is because OF God.
  But that continues to be eroded way … per my childish statement of homosexuality.
  But guess what? … that is EXACTLY what scripture says will happen …
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:42pm
  GUZ75
  
  “Take a look at the Scandinavian countries. Almost no religion, yet they don’t murder, rape, steal etc. in fact quite the opposite.”
  
  What the hell are you talking about? There are craploads of faithful people in Scandinavia as well as murderers, rapists, and thieves….
  
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- pantokrator
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 11:44pm
  It’s always been fascinating to me to understand that humans are of the only species to know right from wrong. It’s even more fascinating that throughout generations on this planet, the same set of rules have always applied to almost all civilizations, despite having little to no contact with one another. I find it hard to believe how evolution, which claims that natural selection is the only motive, and that life is merely a means of survival of the fittest could somehow account for morality.
  
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- ssvineman
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 12:51am
  there’s an argument that can backfire on you. History is littered with Bible reading Christians who obviously had no concept of right and wrong. The crusaders, KKK, and pretty much the entire governing body of the Dark Ages era Catholic church jump immediately to mind.
  
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- woody4_rom828
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 3:35am
  Obviously Chatikh has a very narrow warped idea of what Christianity is and what the Bible teaches. Yes many bad things are described in the biblical text but how in the world does that mean that it is saying that these things are ok? Context, context, context.
  
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- Plu
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 9:16am
  Anyone who needs to be told “don’t kill other people, ok?” is a bad person. This comes natural to everyone except psychopaths, and they don’t let god’s judgement stop them.
  
  Anyone who only believes murder is bad because it’s in the bible (hey, genocide is condoned by god, so I guess you’d be perfectly ok with it?) is an even worse person.
  
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- 4truth2all
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:03am
  Yo SSvineman
  
  If you call yourself a tree are you a tree?
  
  There’s a tactic called diversion … and you are falling for it …
  Get the facts … not regurgitated puke
  No only that being a “christian” does not make one perfect … just forgiven, and in the process of santification.
  
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- pantokrator
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 4:28pm
  @SSVINEMAN: History is also littered with Atheists having no concept of right and wrong. What does that make you, then? Because one does not hold true to the teachings of Jesus Christ, the whole faith does not? Don’t compare people like me to the KKK or the crusaders. We are nothing alike.
  
  @PLU: It doesn’t strike you as odd that people just know that killing is bad? Where did that rule come from? Who first set that rule, and why did anyone feel the desire to follow it? If natural selection were truly what is at play, why then do human beings have the most compassion and conscious drive that all other organisms do not, if life is an empty void, a mere accident? Is it not meaningless then? Before you close your mind to the idea, and just write off people like me as sick in the head, you should truly dwell on the subject. You are writing it off too soon. God condones mass genocide? I assume that is the argument for the Old Testament, where God ordered the faithless to be killed. Right, but your perception is, once again, a quick write-off and you do not truly look into the subject for yourself. The Old Testament is the time before Christ. During that time, all who defied God paid for it with their lives. Then, Christ was sent down to show man a way to be redeemed for his sin, and continue living. Christ died for each and every sin we commit. He paid the price (death) so that we do not have to die, thus bringing about the New Testament
  
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- Plu
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 4:44pm
  Not at all odd, it is perfectly understandable and explainable. The rule has never been set, it’s been hardcoded into our evolutionary path. It is simply far more evolutionarily viable to work as a group then to go at it alone. Those who try to feed, mate, raise, and live on their own will have a much harder life than those who do so as a family. Hence those tribed with very loose connections died out, and those with stronger connections flourished. Eventually, that will make it so that each human being still alive is born with at least a bit of that feeling of ‘group’.
  
  The only thing that differs from person to person is what we are raised to believe is our ´group´. The power of religion in the old days was that it allowed you to raise a child to see a far bigger area as ´group´ than a family could. By teaching a child that any who believe in the same sky-god are part of the group, better cooperation was possible, thus giving that group more strength. Same principles kicking in, after a while all groups would have a tight cohesive binding like this.
  
  This is, also, the reason why some people can see only a few people as their ‘group’ (small countries) while others can look at a billion people and call them ‘brother’ (china, india). When we are being raised, the group-rules are set by our parents, and then our natural instincts teach us to be kind to the group.
  
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- Plu
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 4:48pm
  I needed more character. As to your second point about why humans have compassion and other animals do not… well they do. Animals form tight-knit groups as well. Packs of wolves (or dogs), herds of bison, flocks of birds.. they show compassion.
  
  Primates are very good at this kind of thing. Research done on primates like urang-utans, gorillas and chimpanzees show us that these creatures have an uncanny level of compassion for one another, on par with that of human beings. Many social structures we see with humans, we see in them as well.
  
  It’s not a strictly human trait. But it is one of the traits that allowed us to flourish, and as such we’ve become quite adept at it.
  
  As for the part about the new testament; it’s not very relevant and I don’t really want to get into it right now. It shouldn’t matter to the rest of the story, really.
  
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- pantokrator
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 5:32pm
  Interesting… I’ll have to look more into that. It still does not convince me, though. But animals don’t differentiate things like lying. That is something that humans recognize, and know is wrong. Why do they recognize this? If there was no god to give man a moral code, a guideline to a good life, why would man create one that went against his very nature? We all would rather do wrong, because wrong is easier than right. The temptation eats at us, yet we create a god that tells us to do things we don’t want to do. The purpose is to form ‘groups’? I can understand that, but why not just say it was for the survival of the pack, rather than make up something as irrelevant as a god? You couldn’t just tell the child, “Don’t kill, it’s just wrong”?
  
  Murder is also another key. Animals do not commit murder, they simply survive. They carry no malice, no vengeance with their violence, simply a means to survive. Most human violence is the result of ideological and emotional motivation. When a surfer goes into deep water, chances are he’ll get eaten by a shark. The shark does not see a living human being with a soul and a personality, it simply sees food, because it is an instinctive creature, it doesn’t consider if it is wrong to eat him. But a human would see another human and know that it is wrong to just kill him. If humans are no different than animals, why do animals feel no remorse over violence where many humans do? Why do average human beings detest death, and a
  
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- Plu
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 6:56pm
  The problem with telling someone “Do not kill group members; it is bad” is that it actually requires a LOT of mental capacity to understand not only the command, but also the reasoning behind it. You can do that in this day and age, and it’ll work pretty well. But thousands of years ago? Before things like “logical argument” even existed? Not a chance.
  The great thing about god, is that he is always watching. If you say “Do not kill, or god will punish you”, you effectively need no logical reasoning abilities to convince anyone anymore. They have no way to resist your claim, because you spoke with god, and god told you that he sees everything.
  
  As for doing wrong being easier then doing right; yes. Problem is, if everyone does wrong, all things go down the *******. It’s a classic prisoner’s dillema (google the term if you don’t know it). As long as only one person does something bad, he gets better from it. But if everyone would do it, that would be bad for the whole group. That’s where the temptation comes from. Each person knows that if they are the only one to break the rules, the group will be fine and the person will be better. But we also know that everyone breaks the rules, the group will break, and the person will also fall. And we are painfully aware that the rest of the group knows this information as well. Thus, temptation and hypocrisy. But quite natural.
  
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- Git-R-Done
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:16pm
  In other words, atheists are dumb enough to have faith in humanity. How well did that work out in the former Soviet Union and other former communist countries?
  
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- Plu
  Posted on November 15, 2012 at 10:10am
  About as well as it did for those who had faith, but we have the ability to get better at it because we’re willing to change our base assumptions and look for better alternatives. For the past 2000 years, sticking to religion has improved nothing. In 200 years, ignoring the old answers and looking for new ones has brought us everything we see and do today. Just because we can’t fix human nature overnight doesn’t mean we’ve not generated FAR more progress in a short time than religion has in a long one.
  
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- Sharon@FunkenWagnel
  Posted on November 18, 2012 at 2:33am
  I have three atheist kids. I have taught them right from wrong without a ‘god’. Just as, when I was a child raised in an atheist home, I was taught right from wrong. Christians do not have the monopoly on morals.
  
  My children are good, loving, law-abiding kids. Shocking, isn’t it??
  
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lisa61
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:09pm
destroy the family : CK .. welfare, food stamps. No need for a father.
destroy the schools : CK . pph , kill the babies .. great ! Kick ALL forms of God out ! CK !
destroy the morals: CK, atheists in Schools , teach everything goes & No one cares. Federal Gov is the nanny .. they will teach your kids EVERYTHING !!
standing down.. CK . American parents.. ” What ? My kid ? certainly not !” “I’m to blame ? NO.. ! ”
Parents in America long ago bought the deal that ALL Moms should work out side the home. ALL kids would be better in Daycare.. Schools will provide breakfast , lunch & Supper..
let the schools do it .. ! parents either became self-centered , lazy or tired.
they are tired..
but people , time to wake up & be tired for the right reasons. Give up the 2nd car or the Disney vacations.. The kids need YOU !!
Don’t buy their liberal lies !
ALL the issues in America today come back to the family.. Period !
w/o God there is no family..

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fog09
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:07pm
Talk about stupid gone to seed………

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Eastinfection
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:04pm
Are they gonna go door to door like the Jehova’s Witnesses?

“Excuse me sir/ madam… i’d like to talk to you about anything but the bible….”

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- BODYBAG
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:13pm
  @EASTINFECTION
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:04pm
  Are they gonna go door to door like the Jehova’s Witnesses?
  “Excuse me sir/ madam… i’d like to talk to you about anything but the bible….”
  ——————————————
  More accurately it’s like:
  “Excuse me sir/ madam…are your children home? I’d like to talk to your kids about the fallacy of believing in God….You wont have any part in the dialog, in fact you need to leave now and we’ll take it from here”
  
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- resme
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:30pm
  “Jehova’s Witnesses?”
  
  Haven’t seen one in 10 years+. I just jinxed myself, lol, I’ll probably see a Mormon or Jehova’s witness in the next few weeks.
  
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- Chatikh
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:14pm
  @BODYBAG
  
  “More accurately it’s like:
  “Excuse me sir/ madam…are your children home? I’d like to talk to your kids about the fallacy of believing in God….You wont have any part in the dialog, in fact you need to leave now and we’ll take it from here”"
  
  How odd, that’s exactly what Christians did when I was a kid when they were indoctrinating day-care children. What a coincidence. That was only a little over 10 years ago too.
  
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- BODYBAG
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:24pm
  @CHATIKH
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:14pm
  How odd, that’s exactly what Christians did when I was a kid when they were indoctrinating day-care children. What a coincidence. That was only a little over 10 years ago too.
  —————————————————–
  So you’re 13 years old now.
  
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- Chatikh
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 2:56am
  @BODYBAG
  
  No, I’m 23. I was at that daycare from 6-12 years old. They were trying to spread religion in the day-care to K-5th graders. These included mandatory Christian prayers before meals, visits to churches that were optional but didn’t ask for parent pre-approval and children were encouraged to go (I went once, it was weird, full of things obviously aimed at children, lasted a couple hours). This was not a daycare advertised or oriented towards Christian children/families, it was meant to be a daycare for all children. Even if the founders of this website advertise the website, the children still have to go to a computer and go to the website, which is a step the parents can intervene in, and it’s something a lot of children won’t even look up. There was absolutely no such barrier in the daycare I was in, which again wasn’t advertised as a religious day-care. My parents didn’t know about it until afterwards because I didn’t know to tell them. And like most children, I believed whatever adults told me. Thankfully, one of my teachers told me how Santa wasn’t real and not too long after I realized there were several other things that probably didn’t exist either, like Bigfoot or those golden Mormon plates or beings able to raise the dead.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 9:08am
  CHATI….
  
  I have explained the truth to my child about “Santa Claus”, as well, and i will extend my interpretation to you….
  
  Santa Claus is magic. He is very real but only exists up until the very moment you stop believing in him… then *poof*.. he’s gone and ceases to exist. That’s the magic of Santa Claus…
  
  It’s OK to let children be children and let them cultivate their imaginations through fantasy.. Adults sometimes spend their entire lives attempting to reacquire that beautiful innocence.
  
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kalli
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:04pm
And the dumbing down of the future leadership of this country/world continues. The propaganda spewed by these godless people in every aspect of life is deplorable and evil, and leading the world to apostasy. It is up to parents to teach their children why not to believe in humanism. We are living in the time where good is evil, and evil is good. Believe not in man who can destroy only the body, but in Him who can destroy both body and soul.

Know G-d, Know Hope. No G-d, No Hope.

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- The_Knower
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:11pm
  God controls everything. While he is controlling everything, he finds it necessary to keep a realm of eternal torment open to house the people that either don’t agree with him or are completely unaware of him. The endless torture of people that don’t agree with God or, and let me make this very clear, DON’T EVEN HAVE A CLUE WHAT HE IS: is that one of the “good” things you are talking about?
  
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- belgin
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:31pm
  to the Knower–obviously you can believe what you want—better hope you are right….
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:39pm
  KNOWER…
  
  not everyone believes in the Cartoonish version of God you present. Most sane deists acknowledge that inculpable ignorance won’t condemn you to hell.
  
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- kalli
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:00pm
  KNOWER: Why do you make a statement that “G-d controls everything”, then ask a foolish question?
  
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- woody4_rom828
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 3:48am
  Romans 1:18-32 is becoming more revealed before our eyes. Rome fell not soon after, and USA could have the same happen. As it is written there is nothing new under the sun..
  
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- The_Knower
  Posted on November 17, 2012 at 1:01pm
  @EastInfection
  
  I’m talking about the God that is presented in the Bible. If you find it cartoonish, then it is obviously the Bible’s fault for being written in such a way that you find it silly.
  
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BODYBAG
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:00pm
As the founding fathers of the United States of America made clear in the Declaration of Independence in 1776:

“When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which
have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station
to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires
that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.”

“…Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever
any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and
institute new Government…”

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- The_Knower
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:08pm
  Why are the Founders relevant? Are they still here, making decisions from their respective positions in our government as of this moment? Where are they?
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:34pm
  the founders are relevant because understanding their intent is the key to keeping the Constitution functioning. It’s the whole reason that the US has the longest running active form of government on the planet…. We don’t throw everything in the crapbin every decade or so like everyone else does…
  
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- BODYBAG
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:38pm
  Your other 17 posts on this thread tell your dips**t story atheist troll.
  This one in particular ———
  
  “What order? My appendix that isn’t used and can burst to cause sepsis? SIDS, the disorder that just randomly kills babies for no apparent reason? The fact that my trachea and my esophagus converge into a pharynx, making it possible for me to choke to death? Either God is an awful designer or there isn’t one.”
  
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- eyesofbob
  Posted on November 15, 2012 at 10:26am
  @EASTINFECTION
  
  Thank you for respecting a bit of incoherence on my part. I’m sorry I didn’t read your other threads, and that I assumed more about your views than I actually knew.
  
  I do agree that advertising directed at children is predatory. That includes the marketing of unhealthy foods and crap toys that no one needs or would want if it didn’t seem “cool” in the ads. No one is forcing you to watch that and no one is forcing your children to watch that. This is why I don’t have any broadcast or cable tv connection in the house, advertisers use every single known psychological trick to convince people of their view point. When you watch commercially paid for programs (instead of actually paying for a non-advertised version yourself — which is sometimes not even available) you know you are going to get that. Isn’t your children’s moral upbringing more important than giving them some socially popular form of entertainment? If not, then you are placing their entertainment above your beliefs. Plus, if you actually reject the popular junk that is out there and teach them how to be entertained and educated without all that, and without the social approval, you will get the bonus of teaching them that sometimes the right thing is not popular.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 15, 2012 at 2:12pm
  EYESOFBOB…
  
  can’t say i disagree with anything you’ve said there at all.. I would only add this… i do think their is benefits to keeping your kids (and mine) abreast of pop culture norms and not over sheltering them from the world in which we live… the challenge is in mitigating the damage such influences do. I just happen to think restricting access to what a kid’s peers consider “normal” sets the table for our kids to be out of touch and unrelated to the world as it’s perceived by the various factions of sheep. i would rather my kids understood and to some degree enjoyed these challenges bolstered by an educated view of what the chaos really represents… but that’s just me. I endorse your freedom to make your own choices.. as that is the whole point of MY evangelism ;)
  
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The_Knower
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:00pm
If this was a Christian website with the exact same tone, everyone here would be in support of it.

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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:13pm
  Not everyone…..
  
  All Unsolicited Evangelism ****** me off…. whether your pushing God or the lack thereof…
  
  Especially if you’re trying to do it via my kids…. why don’t you just go to the playground and tell everyone there’s no Santa if spreading the “truth” is your agenda?
  
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- BODYBAG
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:50pm
  @EASTINFECTION
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:13pm
  All Unsolicited Evangelism ****** me off…. whether your pushing God or the lack thereof…
  Especially if you’re trying to do it via my kids….
  ——————————
  Exactly. Believe whatever you want. Worship rocks, fish, goats, whatever. But do it YOUR time, not mine. And stay the F away from MY CHILDREN.
  
  From “An Unfinished Life” with Robert Redford:
  
  Einar Gilkyson: I expect you to be nice to who ever comes to my door.
  Griff Gilkyson: Yes sir.
  Einar Gilkyson: Unless it’s some guy looking to sell his angle on God. There’s no excuse for that bulls**t.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:55pm
  lol BODY… nailed it.
  
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- BODYBAG
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:21pm
  @EASTINFECTION
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:55pm
  lol BODY… nailed it.
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  LOL.
  Doesnt mean Im not a stout believer in God [I am] but my deal with him is a private
  personal matter that we work out with one another. I dont push that on anyone else.
  You’re free to believe whatever you like and I expect the same.
  
  Im with you —– unsolicited evangelism of any kind really ******* me off.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:40pm
  BODY…
  
  kind of like unsolicited dietary suggestions…
  
  “You should stop eating meat because blah, blah, blah..”
  
  Don’t know about you but i got a Mom and you ain’t her….
  
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- 4truth2all
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:55pm
  Hey, I’m with you guys … none of this BS with unsolisited adds saying there is no God.
  
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- eyesofbob
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 3:27pm
  @BODYBAG
  
  Stay the F away from your children? When exactly did these people break into your private property and try to indoctrinate them? Letting them on the internet without supervision is the same as dropping them off in the red light district unsupervised. If they came to your door offering to entertain them with atheist parables you surely would not let them in. But anyone who lets them in via cable tv or an internet connection can’t blame us for exercising our free speech in the public sphere. You say what you think in public, I way what I think in public. Seems fair to me. But don’t take your children out in public (and this includes the public internet) and then complain about what you see. You need to vet that and keep the away from harmful influences, that is your responsibility as a parent.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 4:21pm
  Hey… EYESOFBOB…
  
  If you read carefully, you would understand neither BODY or myself condone unsolicited Evangelism of any sort that targets children….
  
  If you’re an Atheist or a Christian… that’s fine… but leave MY kids out of it. Stop trying to make it “cool” to be like you.
  
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- Blacktooth
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 4:23pm
  BodyBag – unsolicited evangelism of any kind really ******* me off.
  
  Why do you say that?
  Did not Jesus Christ instruct them to do what you hate, to preach the kingdom of God?
  Matthew 24:14, 28:18-20
  
  So if you hate what they are trying to do for you, are you actually hating Jesus Christ who told them to do it?
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 5:51pm
  BLACKTOOTH…
  
  People who bang on my door and invade my private space to tell me how to live aren’t trying to help ME, they are trying to advance themselves in the eyes of the Lord. In other words… they are Biblical brown nosers attempting to curry favor with their perceived authority… Save yourself. When i want your help… i will ASK for it.
  
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- Blacktooth
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 6:26pm
  Eastinfection,
  You can have it your way but it is interesting to know what God feels about those who despise His efforts in providing help. Even if they reject it, God continues to try.
  
  “And you must speak to them all these words, but they will not listen to you; and you must call to them, but they will not answer you.28And you must say to them, ‘This is the nation whose people have not obeyed the voice of Jehovah its God, and have not taken discipline. Faithfulness has perished, and it has been cut off from their mouth.’ (Jeremiah 7:27-28)
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 9:40pm
  BLACKTOOTH..
  
  I talk to God all the time. In fact, we have a constant running dialogue and understand each other perfectly… Ever try to communicate something important with a loved one… but another- who may have the best of intentions- keeps interjecting and interfering with the conversation in such a way that it actually makes your initial objectives with said loved one less resolvable? Sure you have… We all have experienced such.. It’s Ann Landers 101.. Her advice is mine.. MYOB.
  
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- BODYBAG
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 10:22pm
  @EASTINFECTION
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 5:51pm
  BLACKTOOTH…
  
  People who bang on my door and invade my private space to tell me how to live aren’t trying to help ME, they are trying to advance themselves in the eyes of the Lord. In other words… they are Biblical brown nosers attempting to curry favor with their perceived authority… Save yourself. When i want your help… i will ASK for it.
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  Yeah —– what he said. LOL. MYOB
  
  @BLACKTOOTH
  You worry about your own relationship and I’ll worry about mine.
  As @EASTINFECTION so eloquently stated it —— When i want your help… i will ASK for it.
  They’re called BOUNDARIES. You need to learn what and where they are.
  
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- BODYBAG
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 10:39pm
  @BLACKTOOTH
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 6:26pm
  Eastinfection,
  You can have it your way but it is interesting to know what God feels about those who despise His efforts in providing help.
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  Your IGNORANCE borders on offensive.
  You have no idea what “God feels” or who “he despises” as it relates to anyone here.
  Nor do you have any knowledge of “his efforts in providing help”.
  Disregarding the foregone knowledge that you’re a troll —– you would have to be truly naive to think that
  everyone who knocks and proclaims to be “God’s messenger of help” is actually that.
  Most are there to pick your pocket or feed their own ego.
  
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- Blacktooth
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:15am
  BodyBag, – “BLACKTOOTH You worry about your own relationship and I’ll worry about mine.”
  
  Okay!
  
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- eyesofbob
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 2:16pm
  @EASTINFECTION
  
  Wait, so you’re saying it’s wrong to be “cool”? By who’s definition? I can’t help it if children think our position is cool. If you apply that logic, we’d have to get rid of all modern music in churches, too, isn’t that trying to be cool to convince children to follow their way?
  
  Again, it gets back to who’s definition of “cool” are we going with. And who’s going to enforce that? Don’t we have freedom of speech? I think we are on the same page with proselytizing, I don’t like it no matter what the beliefs are of the people doing it. I use the term “evangelical atheist” when talking to some of them, and boy does that get them steamed.
  
  However, this seems to be a bark with no bite. I mean really, one little website that is pro-{whatever}, just because it conflicts with someone’s views is going to go up against the 24×7 control they have over their children’s upbringing? Sounds like a major insecurity. If children reject their parents views based on that, I would say that means the parents failed at actually connecting with their children and showing them how those views are really the best way to be and how they apply to real world situations. You can’t blame some pro-{whatever} group, usually children are seeking such things in the first place because they aren’t getting what they need from their parents. And in a free market place of ideas, all of us well meaning people are going to try to convince them that our way is the right way.
  
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- eyesofbob
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 2:27pm
  @EASTINFECTION
  
  I am trying to have an open conversation with you, but I have another question. If you abhor evangelism so much, will you please point me to an article about religious evangelizing that got you as upset as this atheist evangelizing? I do wonder if you actually see the two in the same light. And as for unsolicited, children themselves may be searching for answers, if their parents and other mentors are not connecting with them in a satisfactory way. If they solicit it by seeking out this website, then is it still wrong to provide the information? Certainly, buying billboards (or yard signs) and other things that are hard to unsee in public would be unsolicited, but again this gets back to the greatness of a free country where we are all equally allowed to put our views out there on our private property (included a rented bill board) and in the public square. We, as adults, can process these dissenting views, but children might not have the critical thinking skills developed yet, so it is up to the parent to make sure the child is only seeing and hearing things that are appropriate for that child. The parents know best what they want their children to learn and when they are ready for each lesson. Someone who doesn’t have children can not, and should not be expected to, try to censor themselves in the public square based on what a million different parents think is appropriate.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 6:07pm
  EYESOFBOB…
  That was quite a mouthful. I will try to respond to your most coherent points..
  
  *”Wait, so you’re saying it’s wrong to be “cool”*
  No. I’m not saying that at all. Like you implied, “cool” has no specific description. I said stop trying to make it “cool” to be like you. While i was referencing the peer-pressure nature of evangelism, itself, i can apply it to this atheistic marketing campaign as such: “I’m too old to have imaginary friends” is an intellectually elitist statement designed to convince kids that believing in God is somehow “immature” and preys on a kid’s natural desire to be a “grown up”. I’d have the same problem if it was a campaign telling kids that only babies eat meat, or listen to rap, or (insert cultural preference). “Predatory” would be a kind description.
  
  *”If you abhor evangelism so much, will you please point me to an article about religious evangelizing that got you as upset?”*
  My thoughts are in response specifically to this article. If you seek evidence of my neutrality on this topic please read the other “battle” i am engaged in at the top of this page (or bottom if you have the page arranged oldest-to-newest). I do not care to repeat that exercise again.
  
  *”Someone who doesn’t have children should not be expected to try to censor themselves in the public square .”*
  I agree but, that’s isn’t what they’re doing. they are specifically targeting children. the article states that they attempte
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 6:22pm
  BOB… (cont)…
  
  attempted to advertise on Disney. Like i said.. predatory.
  
  PS.. i yanked my kid once from a soccer camp because they were being taught prayers on a rainy day. I was paying for soccer lessons, not theology.
  
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  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 6:18pm
  @EASTINFECTION
  
  Thanks for the conversation. It sounds like we have some common ground about the influences that are pedalled in the “free market” of children’s television programming. Just as neither one of us wants religious (or anti-religious) indoctrination, I think we face a similar threat from the indoctrination of rampant consumerism. You said (in another thread), “Nobody is forcing my kids to want Captain Crunch cereal either but they keep begging for it.”, but I disagree, I think the corporation that profits from selling that product is using every single trick of psychology possible to force your kids to want it. Just like the AA group is by making it “fun”. Indoctrinating children to be confused about needs vs. wants, or the idea of having everything one wants is, to me, quite dangerous to our society. They don’t have the same critical thinking skills that we do, which is why I talk about isolating them from such influences. This corporate proselytizing is evangelism just as much as the AA ad or praying in soccer practice. Anyway, thanks again for helping me learn how to talk and listen with respect for everyone, no matter what their views are on any given topic.
  
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termyt
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 11:59am
Hmmm. Dissidents in atheistic and humanistic societies tend to end up dead. I’m sure it will be much different this time.

At least, as far as the article says, they aren’t trying to shut up the religious, just offer an opposing view. I can live with that. I suspect as the atheistic holes appear and their political power grows, that will cease to be the case. It always has before.

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- Cavallo
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:09pm
  The best way to deal with it is with pity. The vast majority of atheists that I have seen are bitter, angry, empty people, who attempt to fill a hole in their life with drugs, sex, and other destructive behavior. I may or may not be a Christian, but I would certainly rather have Christians as neighbors than these types of Atheists. Proselytizing Evangelical Christians are far easier to deal with than bitter, abused, godless proselytizing evangelical atheists.
  
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- BODYBAG
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:28pm
  @CAVALLO
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:09pm
  The best way to deal with it is with pity. The vast majority of atheists that I have seen are bitter, angry, empty people, who attempt to fill a hole in their life with drugs, sex, and other destructive behavior. I may or may not be a Christian, but I would certainly rather have Christians as neighbors than these types of Atheists. Proselytizing Evangelical Christians are far easier to deal with than bitter, abused, godless proselytizing evangelical atheists.
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  While I actually agree with the majority of your post, the problem with just resigning oneself to pity is that there are consequences and effects.
  
  These people are purposely targeting children. Impressionable young minds.
  
  The War [Revolution] is already in progress.
  
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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 1:18am
  @CAVALLO
  
  I have a question for you.
  
  Are you 100% sure that those people are actually atheists? Have you sat down and actually talked with them on their viewpoint of religion/atheism.
  
  I suspect that there are a lot of people who are like you said, druggies, sex addicts and the such who actually some form of believer, they just don’t live their life around it.
  
  They are likely deists or maybe even belief in a specific God, but are unhappy with their lives for some reason or another and you just “assume” that they’re atheists.
  
  People claim to me(as some sort of badge for Christianity) that the overwhelming majority of people in the US believe in a God with a large amount of people believing in Jesus.
  
  Yet we’re one of the most crime ridden, sexually addicted, drug abusing, overweight people in the world.
  
  We’re the wealthiest nation to ever exist, yet the Bible says that it’s easier for a camel to get through the eye of a needle then it is for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God.
  
  I’m an atheist and I love my life most of the time. Sure, sometimes it sucks, sometimes I get lonely or unhappy, but I view it as the ebbs and flows of life and generally try to find the best in people.
  
  Personally I could never be a Christian because I couldn’t accept the mainstream view that everyone is born worthy of an eternal torture and that by only accepting a human sacrifice could they be saved from said torture.
  
  To me, that’s evil thinking.
  
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- 4truth2all
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:22am
  Yo Mod:
  Not sure why I bother talking to you because you do not hear … but here goes
  
  The wealthy … Jesus also said that with God NOTHING is IMPOSSIBLE.
  People of wealth trust in their money naturaly (our nature is anti God). God can and does overcome this.
  As far as the condition of America … I agree, if indeed the “numbers” of those of faith are true God WILL deal with it, but you also seem ignorant of the worse conditions in much of the rest of the world.
  
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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:47am
  @4TRUTH2ALL
  
  Here we go again, are you implying that your God wants you to be wealthy money wise? It’s a joke.
  
  We are the wealthiest, most consuming nation ever. It’s flat out hypocritical that we have a society the way we do today AND people who follow the Bible. It’s so fake that all you can really do is laugh at it.
  
  I’m the one ignorant of the condition of the rest of the world? Give me a break.
  
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- 4truth2all
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 5:37pm
  Yo Mod:
  
  God does not judge a mans success based on wealth
  I implied nothing … I said what I meant
  
  NO you get no break …you obviously seem ignorant of the “sinfulness” of lifestyles in other nations … but then to you it is probably OK.
  
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IMCHRISTIAN
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 11:58am
Let Love and faithfulness never leave you
Bind them around your neck
Write them on the tablet of your heart
Then you will win favor and a good name IN THE SIGHT OF GOD AND MAN – Proverbs 3

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- TXLadyPatriot
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:52pm
  You too the words right out of my mouth … Amen!
  
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jrc99
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 11:56am
At least they are honest that they are humanists. Humanism destroys republic such as ours. Look up Dr. Francis Schaeffer her led the war again humanism in the late 20th Century. Honestly socialism is not a problem in this country it is it’s root, humanism.

“We must never forget that the humanistic position is an exclusive, closed system which shuts out all contending viewpoints–especially if these views teach anything other than relative values and standards.”

Dr. Francis A. Schaeffer “A Christian Manifesto”

Meaning, you can only be part of the humanist club if you are bigoted against anyone with a solid foundation in life.

“If we are not Governed by God then we are ruled by tyrants.” William Penn founder of Pennsylvania.

Ain’t that the truth!

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scherzophrenic
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 11:54am
If there were no God, there would be no atheists. – G.K. Chesterton, too.

The problem with indoctrinating people into believing there is no god is that the teachers must keep making as much noise about him not existing as possible. Otherwise, they might begin to notice the beauty and order and logic of things that supposedly took eons to come into existence. And then they might ponder how, if there are no absolute truths, how can you be certain there is no God at all? There can be no silence in indoctrination. Only relentless snark and ridicule, because if serious thought were allowed to occur freely, they might not stay atheist.s

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- The_Knower
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:03pm
  What order? My appendix that isn’t used and can burst to cause sepsis? SIDS, the disorder that just randomly kills babies for no apparent reason? The fact that my trachea and my esophagus converge into a pharynx, making it possible for me to choke to death? Either God is an awful designer or there isn’t one.
  
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- Calm Voice of Reason
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:18pm
  The whole “argument from design” kind of falls apart when you spend any time studying biology. All living things are a slap-dash mix of quick evolutionary fixes-nothing at all resembling the fine tuned Swiss watches intelligent design proponents like to make comparisons with.
  
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- checkmate0831
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:40pm
  @the knower- What order? Really dude? Did you even pass HS biology? Have you even studied the human body in detail? It takes terabytes of data to decode the human DNA. One degree axis shift of the Earth and we are toast. Ever heard of gravity? Your name couldn’t be farther from the truth. Go troll somewhere else. Your pathetic logic is sophomoric at best.
  
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- God_Is_Not
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:57pm
  Life is complex. Therefore god exists.
  
  This is called a non sequitur. No biology needed, only an elementary course in logic and reasoning.
  
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- Git-R-Done
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 8:38pm
  God – Since when have you atheists ever been reasonable people?
  
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- Plu
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 9:20am
  It takes Terabytes indeed, and the copy process is so sloppy that every new version is full of errors. Fortunately you don’t notice most of them, because DNA is also chock full of filler material that doesn’t do anything. And because most serious errors when creating a new being end in silent, unnoticed termination.
  Try advanced biology, you’ll probably see how incredibly error prone the whole DNA process is. It’s a beautiful system, but not exactly very well designed for something made by someone perfect.
  
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Gonzo
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 11:52am
There is a deep pit in Hell waiting for those who make it their life goal to lead kids away from Christ. A very deep pit.

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- The_Knower
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:04pm
  And an even deeper pit for people who wish for eternal torment onto anybody.
  
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- momrules
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:07pm
  And God will know every one of these people and their works. There will be no escaping His punishment.
  
  I wonder how long it will be before videos from these people will be shown in public schools.
  
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- 2MINUTESTOMIDNIGHT
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:13pm
  Amen.
  
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- Gonzo
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:16pm
  I’m not wishing it, just paraphrasing Christ Himself.
  Mathew 18:6 But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.
  I’m pretty sure sure Jesus is safe from the fires of hell.
  
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- Cavallo
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:19pm
  Most of them are already in hell, souless and empty. Misery just loves company is all.
  
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- CALLMEMSGT
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:20pm
  You are absolutely correct. There is only one unforgivable sin and that is blasphemy (denying that god is who he is)
  
  And for all you atheists, might I suggest “Mere Christianity” by C.S. Lewis. Read it twice and call me in the morning.
  
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- Individualism
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:34pm
  say goodbye to your serotonin and enjoy your depression.
  
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- jay1975
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:19pm
  And what if the Jews are right? I know, who cares, all of the Jews are going to hell anyway. That is the best hypocrisy of the “loving” Christians. They love to say who all is going to hell and how they will not associate with them, but then they practically give a BJ to any Jew because they are the “chosen people”. How can they be chosen when they are ALL going to hell? Your religion makes no sense and your god is vengeful, spiteful, destructive overlord, not a loving father. He is willing to burn people forever for not worshiping him, based on no proof, during a lifespan on just a few decades. Sounds fair right, eternal punishment for a few decades of doubt? Ha
  
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- God_Is_Not
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:05pm
  My father is an ultra conservative evangelical christian. His biblical worldview drove me to seek my own answers and ultimately led to atheism. How deep is his pit in hell?
  
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- PATTY HENRY
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 1:28am
  The guy who is saying that there is no GRAND DESIGN. Dude, you must be a Liberal, you make up facts to suit your argument! HOW SAD is that??!! The design is so intense, so grand, so orchestrate as to challenge any other explanation… but keep trying to push your argument. My question for you is this: Why do YOU care of other people want to believe in GOD? What’s it to you?? Don’t you have enough things to take care of daily? I don’t care really that you don’t. I just don’t want you messing with kid’s minds. I will defend that, but what you do, where you end up… hey, tough. I don’t wish you there but GOD GAVE US ALL FREE WILL. NIGHTY NIGHT. Poor little person. It didn’t print the T but my last message said: You came to the Dining Hall but YOU MISSED THE FEAST.
  
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- U4eeeahhh
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 9:03am
  @Patrick Henry
  That I may not be able to fully explain the origin of life or the complexity of biology still is no valid excuse for reason to capitulate and for me to assume a supernatural explanation. Not having the answer to a question doesn’t make superstitious reactions rational.
  
  I don’t actually care what delusions rule your day to day life as long as they don’t affect your ability to drive or operate machinery. But where the conflict arises is that some who share your particular set of values and beliefs desire to impose the cultural rules of your belief system on the secular, non-believing populous. Same sex marriage, reproductive rights, commercial sex work, porn, drug prohibitions, limits on gambling, welfare, public education, regulations galore and even taxation all share “religious opposition” based on some Biblical interpretation. That is the point at which your delusions are no longer just your belief but become an imposition on my chosen path in life, So for the free and libertine society I would prefer, I am naturally placed in opposition to all who would impede my progress toward my goal. That is why what YOU belief bothers me.
  
  Regarding your children and all the little children; You’ve had hundreds of years and the lifetime of your offspring to instruct them in sharing your beliefs or imposing your delusions but right now the under 35% demographic is about one-third “Nones” – a mixture of “spiritual but not religious”, deists, atheists and
- pantokrator
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 5:07pm
  “That I may not be able to fully explain the origin of life or the complexity of biology still is no valid excuse for reason to capitulate and for me to assume a supernatural explanation.”
  
  I think it is. Matter created itself with energy that began work without any cause. If you believe there is a perfectly viable scientific explanation for this, then I think science itself has gone into the supernatural.
  
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Tri-ox
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 11:48am
Exploiting children is what obama’s liberals and atheists do best.

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- Gonzo
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:12pm
  Don’t throw all atheists under the bus Triox. A lot just quietly don’t believe and do not try to recruit. The radical atheists are the ones into this stuff. It goes beyond unbelief to God hating. Which is a bit amusing considering they claim not to believe in Him to start with.
  
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- Cavallo
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:22pm
  Manifesto thumping Evangelical Atheists.
  
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- 00100111
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:29pm
  Agreed, Gonzo. I know a handful of atheists and they quietly just don’t believe. They don’t make it their mission to “convert” others to also not believe. They live the example of “If you don’t believe, why is it such a big deal to you that others do?” They don’t see mention or display of Christianity in public as “shoving it down their throats” as the militant atheists do. Militant atheists actively and openly hate God. They don’t just not believe. In fact, it’s most accurate that they DO believe and they hate Him. Just like Lucifer. Lucifer believes in God, and he hates Him and actively tries to tempt you away from Him. The more people he turns away from God, the happier he is.
  
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- BODYBAG
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:01pm
  @GONZO
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:12pm
  The radical atheists are the ones into this stuff. It goes beyond unbelief to God hating. Which is a bit amusing considering they claim not to believe in Him to start with.
  —————————————————
  Thats actually a VERY astute observation. Love an Hate are not opposites as many people seem to believe. They are part of the same.
  
  The opposite of love is indifference.
  
  When “hate” enters the equation, you know there’s something else going on.
  
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- rghtwngcrzy
  Posted on November 15, 2012 at 12:27am
  Gonzo’s got it right. Most atheists’ reaction to Christians/God is “meh.” But then there are the militant God-haters – Christian-haters – religion-haters. There’s something more sinister going on there.
  
  And tho this world, with devils filled,
  Should threaten to undo us,
  We will not fear, for God hath willed
  His truth to triumph thru us.
  The prince of darkness grim –
  We tremble not for him;
  His rage we can endure,
  For lo! his doom is sure –
  One little word shall fell him.
  
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Triple7
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 11:47am
More Marxist indoctrination.

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IMCHRISTIAN
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 11:47am
“We find freedom when we find God: we lose it when we lose him”

“And you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free: John 8:32

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- Plu
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 9:24am
  You mean like the middle ages? There wasn’t an awful lot of freedom the last time Christianity was in charge. Although I’m not sure how much european history is given in the US, let alone how much of it is actually factual.
  
  But look into it, if you care. It’s the history of christianity and it’s a pretty big mess really.
  
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- pantokrator
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 5:41pm
  I see. So I am therefore responsible for the actions of a group of ill-guided Christians?
  
  If we’re going to talk history, then we might also include the fact that much of the crusades was the response to the Muslims unjust persecution of Christianity in the middle-east, destroying Christian sacred sites and denying any Christian access to Jerusalem. So in a sense, the Muslims started it.
  
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- Plu
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 6:38pm
  Not at all implying you are reponsible for any of that. Merely showing that when everyone finds god, things don’t magically improve. We remain human beings, who are still going to be ****** to anything and everything.
  The times when all men followed god were no better than the times we have now, where less people do.
  
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- pantokrator
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 6:44pm
  Well, in that we can agree.
  
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RLM
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 11:47am
Oh Good. We need more kids without God.

/sarcasm off/

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momrules
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 11:46am
Yes. Satan IS alive and well on planet earth and he is after your children.

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- Keatonc333
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 4:28pm
  wheres he hiding? in the body of catholic priests? hehehe ya i know low blow
  
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- formidable_foe
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 6:43pm
  …and the radical atheists are too egocentric and proud to realize they’re simply a tool of Satan to steer people away from God. You see, they don’t believe in Satan either, so…. there you have it. You have to give it to Satan though…. he’s pretty darn good at doing evil. AND HE NEVER GIVES UP!!!!
  
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neverending
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 11:46am
They’ve done a great job so far – I would imagine they have gained much more ground then we think they have. Just more of the downfall of America.

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- 4truth2all
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:07pm
  Not to get in your face … but should you not know the condition of what you speak. Does this not contribute to the downfall you mention.
  Our schools are run by godless people with a godless agenda … why do you think obama gets the “youth” vote to the degree he does/did ?
  
  Since I work with youth ( I love them)… but let me help …..pray !!!!!!!!!
  
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RANGER1965
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 11:42am
“When men cease to believe in God,
They will believe in anything.”

- G.K. Chesterton

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- Gita
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 11:53am
  Love love love Chesterton! Watch the weekly show on Chesterton on EWTN? He was showing us todays America back then, talk about prophetic!
  
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- BODYBAG
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 11:54am
  Anyone who did not understand the true nature of evil up to this point —- this is it.
  Targeting kids? Are there any parents here outraged to the point of hunting these people down in the streets?
  
  (the press release also notes that Disney and National Geographic Kids turned the ads down based on their content).
  
  Disney & NatGeo are no bastions of morality, however, even they know where the line is drawn
  
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- zaccookie
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 6:42pm
  Like believing in talking snakes, that women where born of a mans rib or that men walked among dinosaurs? crazy things like that you mean?!
  
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- PATTY HENRY
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 1:35am
  @ ZAKCOOKIE no, but you are floating in the middle of the Universe and so far the only planet out there with life, that floats for thousands of years and you think that’s okay. I don’t mind the rib = a woman stuff, if that’s how God explains it to me since I only use 1% of my brain (you don’t use more either). All you evolutionist apologists can’t explain where LOVE comes from.
  
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- Chatikh
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 3:06am
  Voltaire: “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.”
  
  And sorry to Chesterson, but religious people seem to be the ones believing anything. There are religious people who believe in multi-limb gods, and religious people who believe in several different versions of an afterlife, and religious people who believe in invisible beings, and religious people who believe in hijacking planes and crashing them into buildings, etc.
  
  People who don’t believe in gods tend to actually be fairly united in their beliefs. For example, evolution. Since I have an actual degree in biology, I can say that I know quite a bit about biology in general, and about the theory of evolution. For example, I can say that there are quite amazing transitional fossils that exist showing evolution from raptors to birds. There are anatomical similarities between birds and their closest living vertebrate relatives, the crocodilians. There are genetic similarities between birds and crocodilians. There are three branches of mammals, monotremes, marsupials, and placental mammals. Anatomy shows monotremes to be the most different from placental mammals, marsupials being more closely related to placentals. Genetic evidence shows monotremes to be most different from placental mammals, and marsupials being more closely related to placentals. Physiological evidence shows monotremes to be the most different from etc…..
- Chatikh
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 3:24am
  @PATTY HENRY
  
  Well first of all I think you mean 10%. Secondly that’s completely wrong, we use all of our brain.
  
  Evolutionary biologists can explain why LOVE exists. Christians must believe that God arbitrarily decided to create an emotion in humans called “Love”. So according to evolution, we have the emotion love because it serves a very important and advantageous purpose and makes our species propagate better, and is by no means a result of chance or the arbitrary decision of a deity. Love is a natural result from and a facilitator of child rearing. Love causes a strong emotional bond to form between two (or more) persons, so that several things will happen: The loving individuals will mate and produce offspring; the male will defend and support the female during pregnancy; the parents will form a loving bond to the child to motivate them to care for and defend the child; the parents will continue to love so that the two adults will be able to better obtain resources to feed the parents and child; the male will prevent other males from mating with his female partner, so he won’t waste resources taking care of a child that doesn’t share his DNA; various other functions that love serves. Evolution requires that most things have a purpose, and if not then they become vestigial (like the hind limbs of whales). Religion requires that God arbitrarily decided to give whales useless hind limbs and humans the useless plica semilunaris.
- woody4_rom828
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 4:17am
  So if evolution says that everything has a purpose, for example “propagation of species by male and female.” why does human race try to “propagate” by men with men or women with women? Seems a little odd that people are abandoning the natural order of things, oh but that’s exactly what Romans 1 says. Doesn’t quite fit with the evolutionary theory.
  
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- Plu
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 9:28am
  Actually homosexual behaviour is perfectly natural. It’s observed in hundreds of species. Unless you want to call animals unnatural as well?
  
  As for why it happens; who knows. There’s a number of hypotheses and a lot of research being done on the topic though. By not condemning it, but actually approaching it with an open mind and a curious attitude, we can probably figure it out in a few years.
  
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- Chatikh
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 12:20pm
  @WOODY4
  
  Everything has a purpose, but some individuals deviate. Whether you believe in evolution or not, it’s a basic truth of biology that variations exist in a species, that while most individuals have Trait A, some have Trait B. Trait A must have a purpose. Trait B, not necessarily. Most humans have melanin in their skin, because melanin serves a important function, but there are still people without melanin in their skin. Most humans have large regions of skin without hair, some people have a full coat of hair all over their body (“Werewolf syndrome”).
  
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- Chatikh
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 12:53pm
  @WOODY4
  
  Evolution states that nature isn’t perfect. Variants exist because of that imperfection.
  
  Before a certain point, fetal brains are sexless. Then hormones released by the ****** turn the brain into a male or female brain. Likewise, sexual orientation isn’t set by chromosomes, it’s set by hormonal influences, so it can go either way. It isn’t instantaneous either, at any point during brain development the hormones can be interfered with. So that means that fetal male brains have the mechanism to orient to males, and same with females.
  
  For example, there’s a certain condition called Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome. This condition involves an individual who is a female in almost every single way, complete with ******, breasts, female identity, sexual orientation toward men. The only differences between such a woman and a normal woman are that the CAIS woman is completely XY, lacks a uterus, has internal testes, and is less likely to be a lesbian. So again, this is an XY female who is less likely to be a lesbian than a normal XX female. This is because of the previously mentioned sexless state of the fetal brain. The female XX brain is identical to the XY male brain at that stage. However, the CAIS XY female doesn’t have a sexless brain. She has a brain that is not affected by male hormones whatsoever. Again: CAIS- not affected by male hormones, not a lesbian. XX females- affected by male hormones, sometimes a lesbian.
  
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- Git-R-Done
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:20pm
  Chatikh – In other words, you’re just spewing out more Marxist propaganda with no evidence to back up your claims. Lots of animal species also eat their own feces, does that mean it’s natural for us to do the same thing?
  
  You have this despicable mindset that we should be more like animals.

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