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‘There Is No Right to Secede’: See the Alleged Letter Where Justice Scalia Shoots Down Idea of Leaving the Union

Nov. 13, 2012 12:46pm Mytheos Holt

Last night, TheBlaze reported that residents of 27 states had filed petitions with the White House to be allowed to secede from the union. As of today, that number has swelled to 47.

But could it actually happen? Do states even have a right to secede anymore? The answer, according to arguably the most respected conservative Justice of the United States Supreme Court, is an unequivocal “no.”

Over at New York Personal Injury Attorney Blog, author Eric Turkewitz recounts an interesting story of how his brother, a screenwriter, managed to apparently coax an answer out of Scalia on precisely this topic:

Dan is a screenwriter (whose screenplay Tranquility Base was just named a finalist at the Vail Film Festival, and previously took top honors elsewhere). Back in 2006 he started working on a political farce that had Maine seceding from the United States and joining Canada.[...]

So, on a lark, he wrote to each of the 10 Supreme Court justices (including O’Connor) with this request:

I’m a screenwriter in New York City, and am writing to see if you might be willing to assist me in a project that involves a unique constitutional issue. My latest screenplay is a comedy about Maine seceding from the United States and joining Canada. There are parts of the story that deal with the legality of such an event and, of course, a big showdown in the Supreme Court is part of the story.

At the moment my story is a 12 page treatment. As an architect turned screenwriter, it is fair to say that I come up a bit short in the art of Supreme Court advocacy. If you could spare a few moments on a serious subject that is treated in a comedic way, I would greatly appreciate your thoughts. I’m sure you’ll find the story very entertaining.

I told Dan he was nuts. I told him his letter would be placed in the circular file. And then Scalia wrote back. Personally.

And what did Justice Scalia say? Pretty much that not only could Maine not secede (ironically enough, Maine is one of the three states that has no secession petition on the White House website), but the question is so firmly settled that it could not even get a hearing before the Supreme Court, because the United States government would refuse to entertain it:

I am afraid I cannot be of much help with your problem, principally because I cannot imagine that such a question could ever reach the Supreme Court. To begin with, the answer is clear. If there was any constitutional issue resolved by the Civil War, it is that there is no right to secede. (Hence, in the Pledge of Allegiance, “one Nation, indivisible.”) Secondly, I find it difficult to envision who the parties to this lawsuit might be. Is the State suing the United States for a declaratory judgment? But the United States cannot be sued without its consent, and it has not consented to this sort of suit.

I am sure that poetic license can overcome all that — but you do not need legal advice for that. Good luck with your screenplay.

An alleged photo of Scalia’s letter outlining this position follows, courtesy of Mr. Turkewitz’s blog:

So there you have it. No right to secede exists, and residents of those 47 states are just blowing smoke. Nevertheless, it says something that the topic seems to come up every time a polarizing president is reelected.

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girlnurse
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:05pm
So he is admitting that “We the People” do NOT matter than? If a state had 100% agreement we couldn’t secede? Ahhhhh Freedom. This is good folks…we need to keep going step by step till maybe the sheeple will wake up and see how the “rulers” of this country think. Democratic Republic??? Hahahah ha Yeah uh ha…right..We do what the Kings and queens tell us to do.

“The United States has less than 5 percent of the world’s population. But it has almost a quarter of the world’s prisoners”.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/23/world/americas/23iht-23prison.12253738.html

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- Jim S
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:13pm
  I don’t see the confusion,the “States” cannot withdraw from the Union, YOU, a free American citizen are ABSOLUTELY free to move freely to any location on the entire planet that will accept you.
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:17pm
  Some here might find this interesting…
  
  The Eleventh Amendment to the U.S. Constitution reads:
  The Judicial power of the United States shall not be construed to extend to any suit in law or Equity, commenced or prosecuted against one of the United States by Citizens of another State, or by Citizens or Subjects of any Foreign State.
  The text of the Eleventh Amendment limits the power of federal courts to hear lawsuits against state governments brought by the citizens of another state or the citizens of a foreign country. The Supreme Court has also interpreted the Eleventh Amendment to bar federal courts from hearing lawsuits instituted by citizens of the state being sued and lawsuits initiated by the governments of foreign countries. For example, the state of New York could invoke the Eleventh Amendment to protect itself from being sued in federal court by its own residents, residents of another state, residents of a foreign country, or the government of a foreign country.
  
  http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/11th+Amendment
  
  Now read page 133 of Obama’s Jobs Act… (scroll down to see it)
  
  http://www.whitehouse.gov/economy/jobsact
  
  SEC. 376. Federal And State Immunity.
  (a) Abrogation of State Immunity
  
  Interesting, no?
  
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- IndyGuy
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:19pm
  No more right to secede??? Perhaps we need to exercise our right to forcibly leave the Union…
  
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- WarMunger_Al
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:22pm
  The only settled by the civil war is that the federal government will murder it’s own people to squash dissent. The only way to regain freedom from the monster of the federal government is through violence. You can thank the tyrant Abe Lincoln for that. The civil war returned all citizens of the US to the serfdom.
  
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- objectivetruth
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:34pm
  @Jim S
  No we don’t have the right.We have the responsibility to seceed.The government only suceedes on the notion of being willing to submit.We are not willing ,nor have we ever been, to submission to a foriegn state cloaked in our own laws running us.Better known as implosion and infiltration.This isn’t a question of rights or loyalties.Its a question of responsibilities and loyalties.I have a duty responsibility to resist the inplosion and infiltration.I have a duty and responsibility to inform others so that they can do they same.
  If you wish to believe we are the dividers rather than the defenders its your loss.It also shows just how woefully ignorant of history you are.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:36pm
  still loving how fired up people are about secession but they didnt even have the nerve to go for someone like Ron Paul in the primary and picked the ‘lesser of two evils’ in the general election…..
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:37pm
  :What something is… is what it extends”
  
  Separation is division and division causes conflict.
  
  Separation, division and conflict is the why of liberal progressives, communist and socialist.
  
  Separation, division and conflict cannot heal this Nation. There is always another path….
  
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- nonofmybiznez
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:37pm
  MONK you are a wealth of information. Boy don’t that just beat all. SOB
  
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- Jarhead 88
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:40pm
  Hey Soy, we weren’t as stupid as you, knucklehead.
  
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- lildrummerboy
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:41pm
  @Indyguy…that is the only way…
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:42pm
  Hi Nonofmybiznez,
  
  When reading Bills…. do not read them They are too big.
  
  Do searches for key words like “abrogation” and similar words and then zero in of those parts.
  
  I used to have a list of key words to search for but lost it. Even with the 2700 page Obamacare Bill it is easy to find the hidden cr@p.
  
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- BODYBAG
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:43pm
  @INDYGUY
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:19pm
  No more right to secede??? Perhaps we need to exercise our right to forcibly leave the Union…
  ———————————————–
  That was my first thought also.
  What Scalia is stating is that there is no legal basis —-
  just like there is no legal basis to enter this country without following proper procedure, like there is no legal basis to impede the people’s right to an open & fair election free of fraud, like there is no legal basis to pillage the Treasury and steal the people’s money and debase the currency, like there is no legal basis to impede the freedom of speech, like there is no legal basis to confiscate personal private property through eminent domain tactics in the advancement of radical Agenda 21 agenda —–
  
  The rule of LAW has become a JOKE and it is the people’s DUTY to reestablish it PRONTO.
- lildrummerboy
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:44pm
  @The Monk, this has nothing to do with this topic…it only states that if a state borrows money they forfeit their sovereignty. The catch is the Unites States is a corporation not a body of states. We lost that sovereignty to insolvency. Sovereignty is an illusion. Next!
  
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- JQuentinEvermann
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:49pm
  WOLVERINES! No, but seriously, it is time to impose the will of the American/Texan people on those who claim to represent us.
  
  I am NOT an American, I am Texan!
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:50pm
  Dan the screenwriter asks….
  
  ” If you could spare a few moments on a serious subject that is treated in a comedic way, I would greatly appreciate your thoughts.”
  
  When I read Scalia’s response to Dan I interpret his response as, “No”.
  
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- RANGER1965
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:50pm
  If we get to the point where we are seriously talking about succession and the breaking up of the union, then it’s no longer about “rights” on a piece of paper, or this and that legislation or rules. It’s about civil war.
  
  Who wins the war will decide what the US looks like after. Those of you who think that some populist movement or rogue governor in a state can point to some piece of paper or have some kind of election, then just leave unopposed you got another think coming. It would require many states doing so in an organized fashion, and those states would have to have an intact military, currency, and their people soldily behind them, and willing to make AWFUL! sacrifices. Because such an action wouldn’t go unopposed. The civil war that followed would spectacularly brutal.
  
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- dealer@678
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:51pm
  Soy, do you dream about Ron Paul too. Maybe you should see a doctor buddy
  
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- kadster01
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:51pm
  “Perhaps we need to exercise our right to forcibly leave the Union…”
  
  If it came down to a serious desire on behalf of any state(s) to secede, I would assume it would ultimately be attempted by force. It would likely result in civil war, as it did in the past, but if people are that fed up they won’t bother any longer about asking permission from Daddy Government if they can leave.
  
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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:55pm
  @Soy
  
  Maybe most who sat out on the right sat out precisely because they are the patriot types who didn’t want to settle for the lesser of two evils, ergo, they’d be happy to join up. Being a libertarian myself, this is not beyond the realm of possibilities.
  
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- PATTY HENRY
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:56pm
  GROW THE HELL UP PEOPLE. WE lost an election because millions of us didn’t vote. DID NOT EVEN BOTHER TO BLOODY GET OUT THERE AND VOTE. Because the RELIGIOUS didn’t come thru either…this guy is threatening your Church – and they didn’t vote either. GOD left (or was shoved out of our schools, public life ) and we did nothing about it. Kids dress like tramps and we don’t stop it.
  Schools teach a bunch of crap instead of our FOUNDING FATHER’S History, our History and we didn’t do anything about it. CONGRESS doesn’t have a BUDGET for 4 years and we don’t do anything about it… but damnit to hell… you loose an election and you want to secede ??? REALLY?
  
  YOU didn’t do xyz for this nation; you didn’t die for this country; but you want to SECEDE? YOU one-note, can’t-connect-a-dot jerks. You sound like RON PAULBOTS. SORRY little Libertarians, you live in a SOCIETY…you know …other people??? IF you want pure Libertarianism…go buy a big island and all of you guys go there…but ANYONE
  
  A
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  Y
  O
  N
  E
  who attempts to pull this great Nation apart – now – isn’t worth the powder to blow them to hell.
  SHAME ON YOU!!
  
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- WarMunger_Al
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:59pm
  There is a new petition from the enemy of freedom:
  https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/strip-citizenship-everyone-who-signed-petition-secede-and-exile-them/ZbMjcwPf
  
  Welcome to civil war 2012
  
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- True American66
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:59pm
  Monk….Thanks for the eye opener.
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:59pm
  @lildrummerboy
  
  I guess you missed the part (you have to read between the lines) where the White House illegally sent a Bill to Congress (all Bills that spend money must BEGIN in the House) that included an illegal act (amending the US Constitution with a simple Bill and not a 2/3rds votes in the Senate?
  
  I was merely showing people what the WH is willing to do illegally and how to help read Bills.
  
  So get off my **** about being “off topic” and start offering solutions. Next…. : )
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:00pm
  GHOST…. for you..
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCrT96QJBfQ
  
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- jakartaman
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:07pm
  A state does not need federal PERMISSION to secede – Just do it
  However, they must clearly understand the big picture and ramifications.
  Once they understand and accept total responsibility for their own welfare, infrastructure, and defense of its citizenry – then tell the Feds to P-SS off. If the State and its folks do not send in Their Federal/corporate tax’s what will the Feds do???? Throw a hissy fit!
  In fact an independent citizen can do the same. Lokk at Ann Barnhardt for an heroic example.
  
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- viv3ug
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:09pm
  Our country is split 50/50. It has been split for years now. 50% of the people (the red areas) are being forced by the other 50% (blue areas) in the large cities and college towns to support them. We can either give up and let our taxes go so high we will have little left,or we can fight. We can give up our liberties, our guns, our free speach, ect., or we can fight. This is the begining. If we secede, aren’t we giving up the supreme court? Texas has oil and refineries, one of the best medical complexes in the world in Houston, and farm land. I think we can do it.
  
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- TH30PH1LUS
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:10pm
  Scalia does not agree with Lincoln. “Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it”. -Abraham Lincoln
  
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- revelation2012
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:23pm
  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  
  ab·ro·gate (br-gt)
  tr.v. ab·ro·gat·ed, ab·ro·gat·ing, ab·ro·gates
  
  To abolish, do away with, or annul, especially by authority.
  
  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  
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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:23pm
  @Patty
  
  Thank you for registering your disdain for libertarianism and urging everybody to sit down, shut up, and continue being a pack mule for the enslaving class.
  
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- WarMunger_Al
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:24pm
  TH3-
  Lincoln didn’t agree with Lincoln either.
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:30pm
  @revelation2012
  
  Yep. I need to make a new “word search list” again for Bills and EO’s.
  
  I have a feeling I’m going to need it very soon. : (
  
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- LasVegasRon
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:32pm
  @ soybomb315_II
  
  That’s because Ron Paul is a lunatic!
  
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- Zipit
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:36pm
  Hey Soy! I think it’s about time that you pull Ron Paul’s Deek out of your ear with the anticipation that a few brains might grow back in. You need to get over it!!! As I have gotten overR&R’s loss!!!
  
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- AZpatriotmama
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:41pm
  @Monk
  
  Wow, I’m impressed with your research! I wish everyone took the time to research and pass that info on. Kudos!
  
  But I do have a couple of questions maybe you or someone with a legal background could answer. The abrogation of state immunity granted in Obama’s American Jobs Act only gives immunity to the states for a violation of the “Act”. It specifically states, “A state shall not be immune under the 11th Amendment to the Constitution from a suit brought in Federal court of competent jurisdiction for a violation of this act.” If passed, would it be upheld in court? And if upheld, could it be used as a legal argument for any other suit against the states?
  
  Anybody know the answers?
  
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- FatFreedom
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:59pm
  And we are supposed to rely on a supreme court to save us. It was that botched court that claims that an unborn child is not a person…..
  
  Secession is our hope, as we are not getting our states rights back, and we have arrogant courts and bureaucrats wanting to be our masters..
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 3:05pm
  Hi AZpatriotmama,
  
  I’m no legal person but, this is what I read.
  
  1- Any State that has ever taken in Federal money, is receiving Federal money or will ever receive Federal money to spend on its Citizens will no longer be immune from lawsuits from the Citizens that receive the Federal money “through” the State. This includes all Federal monies received by a State and spent on its Citizens.
  
  So, in my opinion, this means the progressives could summon up all its forces (people) and literately shut down all State courts with lawsuits.
  
  Just imagine all the different monies a State receives from the Fed. Welfare, highways, schools, Unions, (and soon to come) Obamacare. Imagine about 1/2 of the 47% to 50% (Obama voters) all filing lawsuits in State courts at the same time.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 3:08pm
  @ghostofJefferson
  That is fine by you and i respect that. But Romney went through the primary without any talk about GOP revolt and then 57 million voted for him. Ron Paul got 2 million in the primay. That means there are at least 55 Million people on our side who are willing to put up with a lot of tyranny.
  
  These same people posting here would have been happy with Big Government Romney instead of Obama – so this is political and not ideological
  
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- Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 3:11pm
  How stupid is this? The SCOTUS says you can’t secede? Isn’t that like telling your wife she can’t divorce you? It’s ridiculous.
  
  I’m guessing China says Tiawan can’t secede. For the longest time Russia said the Balkans couldn’t secede. North Korea says South Korea can’t secede. North Vietnam said South Vietnam couldn’t secede.
  
  It’s just ridiculous. Well, the SCOTUS said no so I’ll just go back to my serf status and ensure my children will as well. What a moron.
  
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- Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 3:13pm
  When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
  We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness
  
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- Chet Hempstead
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 3:13pm
  In all the discussion of this issue on this site, everybody seems to have forgotten the main reason there will be no secession – there is no state where a majority of the people would want to secede, because it’s crazy, and the majority of people are sane. If this point really eluded any of you until I reminded you of it, you need to get out more and talk to more normal people.
  
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- yiska8
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 3:15pm
  @Patty Henry
  There was tremendous fraud in this election. There is always fraud. However this is no longer about getting taxes raised or equal pay for women. This President is illegitimate. He’s been lied for and cultivated by an entire media monopoly that refused to vet him and bows down to him at every turn. It’s too late to be friends and compromise. Compromise for what? Obamacare is not constitutional. The Supreme Court’s opinions are more aligned with the fed government than the Constition and individual freedom. We been going down this road for too long. We’re are grown up, and you cannot fix a broken system that no one really wants fixed. Too many people have gotten wealthy by going to Washington D.C. and “representing us”. Secession is something to consider. People do not want to live in misery and under the boot of such brilliant legal minds who tell us we do not have a right to leave. Sounds like chains and shackles to me. All we’ll be working for is someone else’s kid, or an anchor baby’s education, or public pensions when most don’t have a savings account or a 401k anymore. I feel no shame in considering secession and what is coming. By the time you realize you are no longer free, it will be too late to start a movement. How we save a union from the slim majority who are born and taught to “take”? I’ve been wishing for four years that what I see and what my gut tells me is wrong. But I know I’m not.
  Lord be with us.
  
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- Kupo
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 3:19pm
  PATTY:
  
  lol u mad?
  
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- Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 3:20pm
  @Zipit and LasVegas,
  
  Do you guys give kisses to the TSA guys when they’re done with you too? Let me guess, you put smiley faces on your checks that you write to the IRS each year. You’re not mad about being a serf you’re just mad about who you’re master is. I got ya. Some people can’t handle the idea of being free.
  
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- Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 3:29pm
  So Chet,
  
  Were the founders insane too? Let me ask you, have you read the intolerable acts? If so, how do those compare to what we endure today? Were the more or less egregious as opposed to…oh, I don’t know….government takeover of healthcare let’s say?
  
  So if they were insane then how exactly do you defend the product of what they achieved? If they weren’t insane then how do you reconcile their choice while telling everyone else to just endure tyranny?
  
  Please explain.
  
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- black9897
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 3:30pm
  So if states want to peacefully leave then we will be violently forced to stay? So if the tyrants in DC get so bad we just can’t take it anymore we must stay and obey our ‘masters’? Man I hope all 50 leave.
  
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- DogTags
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 3:41pm
  Here is the real answer:
  
  Scalia only answered the question asked, but there is a broader principle. The Constitution does not make a provision for secession. Scalia is right in this regard. However, the Constitution is NOT the highest authority in America. WE THE PEOPLE are. Natural law gives the PEOPLE the authority to alter or to abolish the forms of government to which they are accustomed. America is not a centralized, authoritarian society. Federalism is our system. We are a nation of SOVEREIGN STATES. The States only yielded a small bit of their sovereignty to adopt the Constitution.
  
  You cannot say that because people in California, New York, New England have placed judicial activists on the federal courts to expand federal powers that Texas, Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee, Kentucky, Virginia, et al. do not have a remedy but must capitulate to every encroachment on state sovereignty and individual liberty.
  
  Our Declaration of Independence declares the source of our political authority. We are endowed by our Creator with the right to govern ourselves. Whenever ANY form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it. God has given the people of Texas the authority to govern themselves. If they choose to remain in the union or to secede, the people do so lawfully.
  
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- PresidentRomney
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 3:41pm
  Chet is right though… there isn’t a state in this country with a majority vote for seceding. Sure you can find 50K or so people willing to sign an online petition, but 50,000 vs several million… those odds dont add up.
  
  PLUS, no state can just choose to no longer be a member of the union unless the majority of other states also agreed on such a thing as it would take a edit to the constitution to allow it.
  
  Translation = NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN!!! Rebuild your political brand instead of this nonsense.
  
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- ticktockoma
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 3:43pm
  Ask Judge Napolitano he knows more about the constitution than Scalla does
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlUBY3EXExY&feature=youtu.be
  
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- Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 3:43pm
  1. He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good. — War Powers Act, the trickery behind passage of Obamacare, FoIA rejections, etc.
  
  2. He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them. — Signing statements, executive orders.
  
  3. He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only. — Hmmmm, need to think on this one.
  
  4. He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures. — Really, this seems trivial compared to what happens nowadays. Heck we’re lucky if we even GET records of them.
  
  5. He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people. — Ha! Guess everyone can chime in on their own with this. Let’s just say 10th amendment and start there.
  
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- Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 3:48pm
  6. He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within. — Shoot, let’s look at a modern example. Say the Mexican invasion and the Federal response to TX and AZ.
  
  7. He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands. — Funny, but how many Scottish programmers get natuaralization treatment compared to the Dream Act people? Hmm….
  
  8. He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers. — Two words…ERIC HOLDER.
  
  9. He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries. Hello FDR and the “loading of the courts”.
  
  10. He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance. LOOK HERE. HELLO???? McFLY???? We up to 39 czars now?
  
  11. He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures. — TSA? NSA? ETC.
  
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- Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 3:53pm
  12. He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power. — Gee, that doesn’t happen does it? I mean, it’s not like we didn’t ignore the war powers act or have military personel blow up Americans on a Kill List.
  
  13. He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation: — UN anyone?
  
  14. For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us: — This one is tough but I suppose your local pricinct now looks more like a barracks than a police station.
  
  15. For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States: — Extrajudicial Killings, didn’t even have the trials.
  
  16. For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:– Tariffs, embargoes, etc.
  
  17. For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent: Do we really need to explain this one?
  
  18. For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury: – NDAA, enjoy.
  
  19. For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences — Not sure, what is the current stance of Uncle Sam on the Hague?
  
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- kadster01
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 3:58pm
  @PATTY HENRY
  
  Sounds like you should do some growing up yourself and learn to control your temper. Your ****-trigger, impatient, and abrasive demeanor reminds me of my ex wife, and I do the same thing with you I did with her: tune her out. Contrary to popular thought, you don’t win an argument by yelling, hurling insults, or talking louder than everyone else. You get a lot further talking to adults with respect instead of yelling at them like they’re ignorant children simply because you disagree with them or don’t have the patience to understand their point. We’re all adults here. Some of us CAN act like it.
  
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- Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 3:58pm
  28. He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands. — Okay, we haven’t gone that far…yet.
  
  29. He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions. — Domestic insurrection…like say class warfare? Merciless savages like say New Black Panthers? Hmmm.
  
  Well there you go. Evidently the founders were cool but now anyone who would side with the DOI is simply “insane”.
  
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- DogTags
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 4:04pm
  I have the final answer on this:
  
  Scalia only answered the question asked, but there is a broader principle. The Constitution does not make a provision for secession. Scalia is right in this regard. However, the Constitution is NOT the highest authority in America. WE THE PEOPLE are. Natural law gives the PEOPLE the authority to alter or to abolish the forms of government to which they are accustomed. America is not a centralized, authoritarian society. Federalism is our system. We are a nation of SOVEREIGN STATES. The States only yielded a small bit of their sovereignty to adopt the Constitution.
  
  You cannot say that because people in California, New York, New England have placed judicial activists on the federal courts to expand federal powers that Texas, Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee, Kentucky, Virginia, et al. do not have a remedy but must capitulate to every encroachment on state sovereignty and individual liberty.
  
  Our Declaration of Independence declares the source of our political authority. We are endowed by our Creator with the right to govern ourselves. Whenever ANY form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it. God has given the people of Texas the authority to govern themselves. If they choose to remain in the union or to secede, the people do so lawfully.
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 4:04pm
  Imagine having to have State sponsored passports to go from State to State?
  
  What about Interstate Banking?
  
  What happens to the land that belongs to the Fed (and some to China) within each state?
  
  The Fed already owns most of the Western US.
  
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- Truthbeliever2
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 4:08pm
  Patty Henry, I am sick and tired of your loud mouth BS!
  
  You are mad at Ron Paul supporters because your liberal/progressive RHINO and SOCIALIST of a candidate lost the race. Ron Paul people have the where with all and the PRINCIPALS to support the only TRUE freedom fighter and small government candidate. Not a Socialist who would implement programs like Romney Care. Not a Socialist who would continue hacking away at our 2nd amendment rights. Not a Socialist who supported the NDAA and CISPA that Obama signed into law. Not a flip-flopping weather vain who implements policy depending on which way the wind is blowing that day.
  
  That is why he lost, that is why YOU LOST!
  
  I’m in favor of succession, and so are a lot of other people. Get used to it!
  
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- loriann12
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 4:13pm
  Actually, Texas has it in their state constitution that they reserve the right to secede from the union. I believe there was another state, but not sure which it was. It’s also under the tenth amendment. I do agree that it can’t come from an individual, or even a block of individuals. They would have to convince their state government. But if there were enough signatures, it would wake up the governors of those states to consider it.
  
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- kadster01
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 4:15pm
  @DogTags
  
  Great post, and right on the money!
  
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- AZpatriotmama
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 4:16pm
  @Monk
  
  Hi! Good point, I read that as well. However I was wondering if the act is passed, can it override the 11th Amendment? In doing a little research, I’ve found that we have already done that many times in the past, therefore setting precedence. So I guess I’ve answered my questions…even if I certainly don’t like the answers. Let’s just hope the House doesn’t pass the American Jobs Act.
  
  Thanks and keep on informing the uninformed!
  
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- Mil-Dot
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 4:16pm
  Scalia thinks that everthing and every question of mankind’s existence has to go through the Supreme Court. Has he ever heard of civil war? When secession takes place people die in large numbers. Does he not know that ? People don’t ask for permission. They do it and then they fight it out with the tyrants. We are no different. England said the same crap, and look what happened.
  
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- upeopleneedtogetalife
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 4:19pm
  WarMunger_Al: Great post.
  
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- cessna152
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 4:20pm
  wE NEED TO SECEDE , AS A NATION, FROM wASHINGTON,dc.
  
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- Creativethinker
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 4:26pm
  Again there is something real you can do… http://www.Obamavoterfraud.blogspot.com . There are 4 petitions on the right side and 2 on http://www.change.org. You have to search on change.org. The one to Congress had 67,000 signatures the last time I checked.
  
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- upeopleneedtogetalife
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 4:28pm
  PATTY HENRY: you are an utter fool! how dare you suggest that a tyrannical bllood thirsty Marxist gov’t has some right to subjugate mankind under pure wickedness!
  
  ShaSheame on you!me on hyou woamn!
  
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- upeopleneedtogetalife
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 4:30pm
  PATTY HENRY: utter and complete fool!
  
  how dare you suggest we have not right to be free from this evil! pure unaldulturated evil reigning in AMerica!
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 4:30pm
  CESSNA…. lol…good point. It would save everyone a lot of trouble if the politicians would just secede.
  
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- yubetcha
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 4:30pm
  soybomb315_II
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:36pm
  
  still loving how fired up people are about secession but they didnt even have the nerve to go for someone like Ron Paul in the primary and picked the ‘lesser of two evils’ in the general election…..
  
  A chart making the rounds shows that if you Paul and Johnson supporters would have added your votes to Romney supporters, Romney would have beaten Obummer. It was not by voter fraud alone. It’s because of people like you that Obama won. So that means that you caused companies to lay people off because we have Obama’s job-killing regulations and Obamacare that is too expensive, you caused the marxism to continue and even advance, and you caused the Constitution to continue to be disregarded and meaningless by this administration. And a traitor/dictator is re-elected.
  
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- SocialistSlayer
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 4:35pm
  I beg to differ good Justice ! We the people created this Union and we the people can split it up if we choose. If we do choose to secede I would suggest you might want to get your fat **** out of the way !
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 4:48pm
  @yubetcha
  Ok tough guy – where is your proof?
  
  Gary Johnson got 1% of the vote. I looked at the results. All of Gary Johnson’s votes going to Romney would not have won him a single state.
  
  Dont be like liberals…In your ignorance, dont be blaming other people
  
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- vpeva1
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 4:49pm
  Just a thought……..
  
  What happens after you secede and then the populations of your OWN state start turning from red to blue? (If, assuming, they’re not already blue.) You see, we are MUCH better off trying to fight this TOGETHER! Otherwise, you leave, and within your own state you find a growing trend of “blueism”…. then what? We must stick together and fight this! Blues will follow you no matter what. Mat least in the end, we will be together fighting. No separating ourselves.
  
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- IndyGuy
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 4:59pm
  ‘There Is No Right to Secede’…..And in Obama’s world ‘There Is No Right to Succeed’ either…
  
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- vaman
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 5:11pm
  Would it be called the United State of Texas (as an example)? No one seriously wants to leave. When the Federal money for roads and schools runs out, then what? When there is no military to speak of, then what? When Mexico just decides it wants Texas back, then what? What money will be used? Will the Govenor become President? Going to the UN are you? If the USA does not want to trade with you, then what?
  
  Just the endless array of things that make leaving the US a stupid move, but I encourage any unhappy people to leave of their own free will. Canada looks good…pretty liberal there. How about Europe? Even worse, right? Uganda is nice in the summer I hear.
  
  Just is I suspected…you all will be staying put.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 5:14pm
  VPEVA1……
  
  I thought the arguments FOR succeeding were dumb until i started reading the ones AGAINST it. Succeeding states will get “bluer”?? lol… really.. how is that going to happen if they toss the illegals and cut off welfare? More like the blue states will get inundated with lazy refugees…
  
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- Topcat
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 5:15pm
  You guys do understand that seceding from the union is not what is happening here ,,,, Right ?
  
  This is a site established by Obama as a propaganda site showing his dedication to transparency . Its intention is that if any question submitted or policy adoption was desired , if it got 25,000 signers in 30 days , the White House would address the issue either publicly or in writing .
  
  The various petitions listed here , are intended to send a clear message to the President that the people are not happy with his election tactics and his policies. Now that several of those petitions has reached their mark it will be interesting to see how the President deals with his own rules , governing this site.
  
  This is a silent protest by the people not a desire to secede , from the union . The Progressive Loon that posted the “Strip the citizenship” doesnt surprise me in the least , its an answer to the 40 petitions by the people . Someone trying to save the President some embarrassment , if it gets some traction . I would imagine now that every Obama loon is being directed to the site to answer the peoples protest.
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 5:22pm
  I believe the South had a legal right to secede in 1860. The reason they were doing so was an immoral one, but it was legal.
  
  The force brought to bear against succession was just the force of might & might does not necessarily make right.
  
  The only reason the South wanted to secede was an immoral one. It was the same quandary that the Founding Fathers found themselves in. If they abolished slavery they might leave themselves … well middle class. George Washington freed his slaves at a later date, but still faster than the rest of the world did. So that is something significant. Admitting new states as slave states or free states was a big deal. It was an almost century long fight & it was the proximate cause of the Civil War. Political leaders in the south were afraid of shifting political power, especially with the election of Lincoln.
  
  Anyway secession is legal. We as a nation (other than Texas) have not set up a legal mechanism to accomplish it. Maybe we could do so with a Constitutional Convention.
  
  I do not think it would be wise to secede, but that might change in the future.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 5:30pm
  VAMAN…
  
  You think you are going to scare off the seceding factions by convincing them it would be too big of a “hassle”? lol… Mexico’s military?… Renaming the Country?… Currency? Give me a break!
  
  You want them to stay put? GET SERIOUS ABOUT CUTTING SPENDING!!!!! GET RID OF THE TSA AND PATRIOT ACT!!!! STOP PRINTING MONEY !!!!!
  
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- Marine25
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 5:37pm
  @presidentromney
  I just read at unskewedpolls.com that 50,000 people in favor of secession are actually more than 10 million people opposed to it. Unskewed says the proper polling model should read +9.9 million idiots.
  
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- rickc34
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 5:45pm
  What would happen if the 49% rebeled ? What if those that do not like the direction this nation is heading decided to break away?
  
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- Lotus503
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 5:47pm
  We may not have the right to secede, but we DO have the right and the ability to enforce the 10th Amendment!
  
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- desertspeaks
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 6:02pm
  scalia should refer to the DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE, not only is it a right but it’s a DUTY to overthrow a despotic government! END OF CONVERSATION!
  
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- ltb
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 6:12pm
  Who cares if there’s a right to secede? Secession is something that’s a last resort after everything legal has been tried, but the system has become so corrupt that punks like Obama are still able to maintain power. Besides, it’s not like Obama and his commie pals pay attention to the Constitution. When America’s founding fathers broke away from the tyrants who ruled them, they were paying about 12.5% of every dollar in taxes; today, on average, we pay 57.7% of every dollar in taxes. If our founding fathers had looked down through history to see the kind of people for whom they were sacrificing their lives, fortunes and sacred honor, they would have said, “Forget it!”
  
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- RebelPatriot
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 6:30pm
  Chief Justice Roger B. Taney ruled that Lincoln’s actions were illegal, criminal and unconstitutional
  
  Violation of the Constitution and his oath of office by invading and waging war against states that had legally and democratically withdrawn their consent from his government, inaugurating one of the cruelest wars in recent history.
  Subverting the duly constituted governments of states that had not left the Union, thereby subverting their constitution right to “republican form of government.”
  Raising troops without the approval of Congress and expending funds without appropriation.
  Suspending the writ of habeas corpus and interfering with the press without due process, imprisoning thousands of citizens without charge or trial, and closing courts by military force where no hostilities were occurring.
  Corrupting the currency by manipulations and paper swindles unheard of in U.S. history.
  Fraud and corruption by appointees and contractors with his knowledge and connivance.
  Continuing the war by raising ever-larger bodies of troops by conscription and hiring of foreign mercenaries and refusing to negotiate in good faith for an end to hostilities.
  Confiscation of millions of dollars of civilian property by his agents in the South, especially cotton, without legal proceedings.
  Waging war against women, children, civilians and civilian property as the matter of policy (rather than as unavoidably incident to combat), e.g., Sherman’s March.
  
  This Chief Jus
  
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- RebelPatriot
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 6:33pm
  Lincoln used the excuse of civil rebellion as a reason to go to war with the southern states.
  
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- SUNTZU
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 6:56pm
  Just like the Mafia ,you can join but you will never leave alive
  Roach Motel,
  
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- Wolf
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 7:12pm
  I’m all for secession, if that’s what a state wants. To initiate a real action to their desire, all they need do is stop sending any monies, taxes, et al, to the fed, and start running their state(s) under a Constitutional basis of freedoms. Forget all the fed laws and lawgirls sent to enforce them. Kick all the fed bureacrats out of their state except perhaps a state department official and secretary. (That’d even give Himary Cunton something to do on this hemisphere.)
  Simple to do. If they have the balls, that is.
  
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- aproudinfidel
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 7:36pm
  So, if we are going to take the constitution literally, which obviously Justice Scalia is doing, then I really do have a right to keep and bear arms, and if it is one nation under God, then crosses and nativity scenes are ok. I hope everyone sees where I am going with this. IT IS OUR COUNTRY, WE CAN RUN IT AS THE PEOPLE PLEASE.
  
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- ProbIemSoIver
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 7:46pm
  Scalia is a Powerless Punk !!!! Try and do something about this, Scalia !!!!!
  
  Declaration of Independence
  [Adopted in Congress 4 July 1776]
  
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  The Unanimous Declaration of the Thirteen United States of America
  
  When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
  
  “… That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to affect their Safety and Happiness.”
  
  “… when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”
  
  Isn’t it time to exercise our RIGHT and DUTY ?????
  
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- muffythetuffy
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 8:11pm
  BUT THAT IS NOT TRUE
  
  Democrats have introduced several Bills in Congress to allow the Hawaiian Islands, Key West, and Provincetown, Mass. to secede from the US. On two occasions Porto Rico was allowed to vote on independence nationhood. This must be an old interview. The US diplomatic policy has always been to support self determination around the world. This issue has not been solvedand no one has the last word.
  
  The Declaration of Independence, the first law passed by The Congress states in it that citizens have the right to break the bonds that join them for just cause. Before people of good will everywhere on Earth, who would deny that we do not have a just cause.
  
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- investlite
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 8:11pm
  TO ALL OF THE ID I O-T S THAT VOTED 3RD PARTY:
  
  I commend you on your ‘principled’ stand. In doing so, you ensured the suffering of this nation. Would you like to know why you should have voted for the lesser of two evils? Well, I guess I can oblige.
  
  You don’t go from a non-drug user to opium addict overnight (in fact, we’re still transitioning). Similarly, you don’t go from opium addict to clean overnight. In fact, if you did this you’d become incredibly ill and, in the extreme cases, you may even die.
  
  Our nation did not go from a constitutional republic to a socialist dictatorship overnight. Similarly, we will not go from a socialist dictatorship back to a constitutional republic overnight. If we did, there would be people dying in the streets, widespread crime, and all sorts of awful products being propagated. At which point we would relapse (Read plato’s republic, book viii, the part about tyrants).
  
  So because of your unwillingness to realize the safe, effective way of quitting socialism, we are stuck with it for four more years, at which point it will only become harder to quit and you still won’t be able to quit cold turkey.
  
  Good for you, you principled id i o-t
  
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- Reclaiming Our Nation
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 8:18pm
  We are stronger united anyway. Lets remind the nation about the sacrifices we once made to oppose socialism and how we defeated it:
  
  http://reclaimingournation.blogspot.com/2012/11/freedom-over-socialism-and-communism.html
  
  Here is another great video that any of your libral colleagues should watch.
  http://reclaimingournation.blogspot.com/2012/11/who-is-listening.html
  
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- muffythetuffy
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 8:26pm
  THE MONK BRINGS UP THE JOBS ACT
  
  It is interesting but how can a Federal Law void an Amendment to the Constitution. I understand the an illegal and renegade US Congress slips in all kinds of trap doors to their Laws after Laws go to the Printing Office but that does not make them Constitutional. For many years now, Congress has been passing illegal laws and regardless of what 9 men in Black Robes say does not make a round Earth flat. We must not delay our move to form a breakaway Republic.
  
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- jds7171
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 8:26pm
  We didn’t have the right to declare independence from Britain, yet we kind of did it anyways.
  
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- sandrunner
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 8:41pm
  Scalia should be ashamed of himself. what a arrogant,self-righteous and small minded comment that spewed from his rotting lips.
  
  He more concerned for his job than the country.
  
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- muffythetuffy
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 8:44pm
  AMERICA IS NOT THE USSR THAT PEACEFULLY BROKE UP INTO 15 REPUBLICS
  
  The Declaration of Independence (first law passed by Congress) and the 10th Amendment of the US Constitution imply and allow states to secede as Congress gave Porto Rico the vote to do. However, the Federal Government can use force to prevent us from seceding. All political power comes out of the barrel of a gun (Moa TeTong). You may have to fight.
  
  The State of Alaska belongs to the Federal Government that bought it from Russia shortly before Gold was discovered (yea sure). An all powerful Federal Government superpower could be brought to its senses if the breakaway Republic entered into an agreement to allow Alaska to be sold back in exchange for support like we got from France once. Its not impossible for men determined to be free. If Russia and other nations can break up without blood shed, we Americans should be able to do the same but we are now opposing Evil.
  
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- JohnnyinthePedros
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 8:45pm
  It was the States that came together and gave birth to the federal government in the first place, so the federal government is a child of the States, not the other way around. We the People gave birth to the States, so if we want out it’s up to us, not the federal government. Lincoln got it wrong.
  
  Scalia and others should read the Preamble to the Declaration of Independence, or perhaps we should draft a new one. Don’t expect the federal government to honor a new Declaration or the old one, however, as it is controlled by people lacking in honor.
  
  Here’s one of several pertinent parts of the Preamble:
  
  That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.
  
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- dabrain
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 8:50pm
  To Hell with secession!
  I say we vote the blue state pukes off the island.
  Stop entitlements to 49 states and give it all to California.
  Last letter from Uncle Sugar to the former recipients contains a bus ticket and an engraved invitation from Queen Nancy. (Pelosi, not Barney.)
  Paging John Galt.
  
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- ProbIemSoIver
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 8:52pm
  @Roth
  
  Check this out!
  
  “It is a known historical fact that during 1933 and 1937 – 1938, there was a big fight between Roosevelt and the Supreme Court Justices. Roosevelt tried to stack the Supreme court with a bunch of his pals. Roosevelt tried to enlarge the number of justices and he tried to change the slant of the justices. The corporate United States had to have one Supreme Court case which would support their bankruptcy problem.”
  
  “There was resistance to Roosevelt’s court stacking efforts. Some of the justices tried to warn us that Roosevelt was tampering with the law and with the courts. Roosevelt was trying to see to it that prior decisions of the court were overturned. He was trying to bring in a new order, a new procedure for the law of the land. See also The UCC Connection”
  
  http://www.barefootsworld.net/usfraud.html
  
  ~~~~~~~~
  
  “The judiciary of the United States is the subtle corps of sappers and miners constantly working under ground to undermine the foundations of our confederated fabric. They are construing our constitution from a co-ordination of a general and special government to a general and supreme one alone.”
  – Thomas Jefferson
  
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- Jarhead 88
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 8:52pm
  War is inevitable now, it’s just a matter of time….always has been. A divided nation cannot stand, we are as diametrically opposed with their beliefs as we are with mudslimes.
  
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- Deuteronomy22
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 8:59pm
  Texas 4.5 million for Romney, 3.3 million for Obama. Seems like there are many Texans who are fine with Obama. Are you going to gas them or simply deport them to Louisiana?
  
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- Reality_Bites_You_on_the_Ass
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 9:12pm
  IndyGuy: Why forcibly? Just leave. I mean seriously, how many times have we heard conservatives holler “if you don’t like America, then get out!” Maybe it’s time to practice what you preach.
  
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- kenster56
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 9:18pm
  We just do it.They cant stop us all.
  
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- iDeStroyFakeComPuterTroLLS
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 9:35pm
  @PATTY HENRY – Your a big tough guy on the internet. Do me a favor and stop labeling people Paul Bots. Because the true losers are you Romney idiots who got deceived by your own people. Coward
  
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- FreedomPurveyor
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 9:37pm
  Funny thing about seceding, you don’t really have to ask permission. That is kind of the point.
  
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- GeorgiaMommy
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 9:45pm
  We do not have the right? Are you kidding me. And this guy is a Supreme Court Judge. My Question how would he enforce his Decision if the Legislature of a said State. Voted and decided to secede from the Union?
  
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- fair2light
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 9:48pm
  I read there is another petition requesting all the signers that want to secede to be stripped of their citizenship and deported. So far over 2000 signers. Im sure they can find more signers in philly where 108% voted for obama
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 9:54pm
  MUFFY.. you make excellent points but should learn how to spell Puerto Rico….
  
  and also.. as an update.. you should know they successfully voted to be a state just as we were voting the dictator-in-chief an infinite second term… it’s only a matter of time before they are granted statehood and finally start paying federal income tax like the rest of us.
  
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- Freelyn
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 9:56pm
  England told us we couldn’t secede either. Did we run to the English Courts to ask permission? No we did not, we seceded anyway and when they came to take us back, we fought for our original freedoms. So people, how much further before someone says enough?
  
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- Oilfield_Trash
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 10:00pm
  Just for posterity: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.—That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,—That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
  
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- Reality_Bites_You_on_the_Ass
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 10:00pm
  aproudinfidel: Maybe you should actually read the constitution and learn a bit about our history before posting. “Under god” does not appear in it. In fact, the constitution there are no references to god, a creator, the lord, or any other religious mythology. “Under God” was added to the Pledge of Allegiance in 1954. Interestingly, Francis Bellamy, the man who wrote the Pledge of Allegiance (in its original form without “under God”) was a Christian Socialist who promoted the rights of working people and the equal distribution of economic resources, which he believed was inherent in the teachings of Jesus.
  
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- Reality_Bites_You_on_the_Ass
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 10:03pm
  fair2light: Nice try but that is a outright lie. That petition has well over 18,000 signatures. Wow, you guys will just lie about anything.
  
  https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/strip-citizenship-everyone-who-signed-petition-secede-and-exile-them/ZbMjcwPf
  
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- Armyduderetired
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 10:08pm
  Yeah, and leave your guns to us so we can fix this mess that the Big Government is unconstitutionally shoving down our throat. Have a pair…will travel.
  
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- banjarmon
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 10:25pm
  People in the state are exercising their First Amendment
  
  Amendment 1 – Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note
  
  Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
  
  The Second Amendment insures We can Exercise the First Amendment.
  
  Amendment 2 – Right to Bear Arms. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note
  
  A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
  
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- Dr Vel
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 10:30pm
  soybomb315_II “still loving how fired up people are about secession but they didnt even have the nerve to go for someone like Ron Paul in the primary and picked the ‘lesser of two evils’ in the general election”
  
  Fools like you gave us another term of muslim communism remix. Paul could never get enough votes from the mainstream to ever win. It is all about the numbers. We knew Paul had no chance nor will He ever win. Every one of you Paulbot fools voted for Obama by attrition. Thanks so much.
  
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- darkknight91
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 10:30pm
  Scalia needs to get his nose out of a book. What the founders did was illegal and treasonous but it didn’t stop them. You have the right to do whatever you want when you have the firepower.
  
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- swidgeon11
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 10:36pm
  Yes they can Jim S., you need to read a little bit farther back past 1960
  
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- KC1
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 10:40pm
  Some may find this entertaining, listen to the message not the messenger.
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhQ31b_dbnM&feature=player_embedded
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 10:40pm
  muffythetuffy
  
  BUT THAT IS NOT TRUE
  
  Democrats have introduced several Bills in Congress to allow the Hawaiian Islands, Key West, and Provincetown, Mass. to secede from the US. On two occasions Porto Rico
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  Puerto Rico is not news. They are a territory & I just wish they would make up their mind.
  
  The other stuff is news to me. It is very interesting.
  
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- devildogger
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 10:43pm
  The-Monk Thankfully, the AJA was voted down and is not law. Now, if this unConstitutional legislation can be used to impeach Obama for breaking his oath of office to “preserve, protect and defend the Constitution” then this post would be relevant.
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 10:49pm
  If Puerto Rico seriously starts down the road of becoming a state, then Maybe the Mexicans will get jealous. Then we can have Mexico become the 52 thru 57th states of the union.
  
  1. That would cut some of our oil exports
  2. Obama’s statement about 57 states of America would then be true. We mustn’t let dear leader seem Bidenish.
  3. We have 1/2 of Mexico here, we might as well get the other 1/2 & the land too.
  4.With so many Mexicans they would vote to seal the southern border. they certainly try to seal their souther border & are harsh about it.
  5. With some many Hispanic Senators & representatives, we can see what colors Jesse Jackson take out of the Rainbow-Push flag. That is if he can. In other words if he is not sitting in a jail cell next to his son.
  
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- devildogger
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 10:55pm
  Hey Jim, perhaps you and Scalia should reread the Declaration of Independence and pay attention to the part” That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government.” If you have trouble comprehending that excerpt, get Scalia to explain it to you.
  
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- SgtB
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 11:00pm
  @ Ranger 1965, Are you one of those military members who would fight against your own countrymen who are trying to peaceably attain their freedom and Liberty against your own oath and against Congressional law? If so, then shame on you. Also, any Marine, Sailor, Soldier, Airman, or officer who would commit such a heinous act deserves the fate that would await him at the hands and feet of every one of us who would keep our oath and allow for the individual sovereignty that is paramount to the cause of Liberty and peace.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 11:13pm
  WALKABOUT…
  
  I have undying respect for your intellect.. but i must pry, here, a bit…
  Puerto Rico voted to become a State on 11/06/12… i was under the impression statehood was an imminent formality for them… Am i mistaken?..
  
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- shakeoffTyranny
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 11:39pm
  No right to secede exists, We the people should not recognize the current constitution, or the powers of the Tyrannical Federal Government as Thomas Jefferson once said. – “… whenever any form of government becomes destructive … it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it…” IT IS OUR RIGHT TO THROW OFF!!!! NOT SOME COURTS DECISION!!!!!! We MUST RESIST Thomas Jefferson – “The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive.” You MUST KEEP IT ALIVE, CIVIL WAR can bring good to a country! We must “thrown off the yoke of a detested oppressor and insisted on the promise of liberty!” (Laura Ingalls Wilder)
  
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- The Him
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 11:41pm
  It was illegal when we seceded from England, too.
  
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- shakeoffTyranny
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 11:46pm
  …..No right to secede exists, We the people should not recognize the current constitution, or the powers of the Tyrannical Federal Government as Thomas Jefferson once said. – “… whenever any form of government becomes destructive … it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it…” IT IS OUR RIGHT TO THROW OFF!!!! NOT SOME COURTS DECISION!!!!!! We MUST RESIST Thomas Jefferson – “The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive.” You MUST KEEP IT ALIVE, CIVIL WAR can bring good to a country! We must “thrown off the yoke of a detested oppressor and insisted on the promise of liberty!” (Laura Ingalls Wilder)…….
  
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- Wisdom7
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 12:03am
  Instead of everyone wasting their time with petitions to secede, why not petition to repeal the 17th Amendment? Wouldn’t that make more sense? The two senators for each state were originally elected by each state’s legislature, not a general election, and therefore kept each states interest in mind. The 17th amendment changed that. Now both the congress and senate are elected by general election of the people, which is not how our government was supposed to be!
  
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- chicago76
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 12:06am
  Do not be discouraged. We did not ask the supreme court of England if we could secede from England. I do not think we need the supreme(good sounding name) courts decision upon seceding from the union.
  
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- mottdahoop
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 12:16am
  When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
  
  Good thing Scalia wasn’t around back then isn’t it?
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 12:41am
  @muffythetuffy
  “THE MONK BRINGS UP THE JOBS ACT”
  
  I hope you understood that Congress had nothing to do with writing that Bill?
  
  It came direct from the White House….. very illegal IMHO.
  
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- scarydave
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 12:50am
  SOYBOMB315_II
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:36pm
  still loving how fired up people are about secession but they didnt even have the nerve to go for someone like Ron Paul in the primary and picked the ‘lesser of two evils’ in the general election…..
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  Please for LORDS sake get over the idea of a Ronpaul or a Garyjohnson presidency. IT DOES NOTHING TO ADVANCE THE PROBLEM AT HAND. NEITHER OF THEM COULD HAVE WON, EVEN IF THEY COMBINED THEIR VOTES, BUT THEY SURE HELPED TO SCREW US INTO 4 MORE YEARS OF OPPRESSION.
  
  ScaryDave
  
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- ProbIemSoIver
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 12:59am
  Screw it. This is War.
  
  I am releasing a huge portion of my library.
  
  Save these to favorites.
  
  Arron Russo – America is not a democracy
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RewUP-Fdhqk
  
  You were Plegded as collateral to a private bank for the Bankruptcy of 1933.
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlCs7u1ihws
  
  George Carlin knew you had owners:
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0yhHHPc7IU&feature=related
  
  Leon Panetta Admits before a congressional hearing that congress is irrelevent if the UN votes on a resolution.
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSzZAOQnYFI
  
  Even the MSM’s CNBC (GE television) admits that we are slaves to the international bankers:
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CF8wfUJ6sj8
  
  The United States is a Private Corporation:
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhxrazdGyyo
  
  Here is some literature on this:
  http://www.barefootsworld.net/usfraud.html
  http://teamlaw.net/HistoryOutline.htm
  
  Even Allen West admits it on TV:
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN0PlOXCJLc
  
  Even the History channel acknowledges that HAARP can be used to control the weather:
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2crD3TGHy5w
  
  Everyone should watch this film about Geo-Engineering (Weather Modification)
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEfJO0-cTis
  
  The United Nations, just like the United States, is a Private Corporation.
  http://www.manta.com/c/mmb5y6t/united-nations
  
  I have more. Feast my friends and share.
  
  One more must-see:
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw
  
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- ProbIemSoIver
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 1:07am
  Maybe he says that secession is not possible because he knows that America was sold to investors in 1992.
  
  FOR REAL !!!!
  
  http://rense.com/general86/nomis.htm
  
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- right-wing-waco
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 2:41am
  This sounds like a right to secede to me.
  
  “But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.”
  Declaration of Independence.
  
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- sillyfreshness
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 3:43am
  Elect people to congress that vow to pass a constitutional amendment giving states the rights to secede. If congress grants that as an amendment, it could happen-we could split up the nation as it needs to. I said on TheBlaze the night of the election that the East Coast and West Coast should be their own little nation and the rest of us should have the rest of the US. You have a few of the big states with big cities controlling the rest of the nation in elections. Glad to see other people are starting to think that way too.
  
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- Truth4SureNuff
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 5:28am
  Of course we do, the “prison” racket is a huge money maker.
  BTW we also have approx. 80% of the worlds lawyers.
  
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- ServerPawn
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 6:22am
  There seems to be quite a lot of talk about seceding and as a few have pointed out this would be a very difficult thing to accomplish. The easier route would be to just form new states. Imagine if you will the state of New York breaking into 3 separate states. You would have the New York City area as the original New York State a two other new states, each with their own senators and reprenatives as well as governor. Now picture this across the country. Say we go from 50 states to 150 states,each state with it’s own constitution and government as well as electors in the electoral college.
  On the bigger picture all of these new state could pick and choose if the want all, some or no federal intervention. Imagine if the coal areas of the country formed states and the were able not to be subject to the legislation of Washington, but instead only have to meet the new state laws created by those states citizens.
  Best part of this is it has already been done, see West Virginia. When the new state petitions to become part of the United States the government will either accept it or reject. If they accept your new state they will have to accept the laws laid out by the states constitution. If not, we’ll looks like they leave you no other route but to be a separate country.
  
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- NeilChapin
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 6:26am
  I thought this was settled with the Civil War? It’s ridiculous to entertain these ideas. Read fresh political commentary at: http://smallcraftadvisorychronicles.blogspot.com/
  
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- diverdan
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 6:44am
  Our civil war settled that question. However, a constitutional amendment could change that. Not easy, but it could be done if three quarters of the States made the move.
  
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- Zipit
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 7:53am
  Rothbard dude!!! Ease up a bit there! Maybe a little less caffeine….(And a few fewer “books” as posts).Your criticism and insinuation towards me regarding my last post were way off base! I was merely offering Soy an option to deal with his anger, towards the fact that he still can’t sway us into voting for Ron Paul!
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 8:15am
  @ScaryDave
  As i said, it is hypocritical to vote for Romney one week and then talk about secession the next. If Romney would have won you would be acting like kids in a schoolyard- but nothing drastic would change – we would still have a tyrannical government. But because the republican tyrant didnt win – you want to seceede. Yea right, you guys are just pouting cuz if you really believed we were at the end of the line – you would have supported the Liberty Candidates
  
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- Pendragon126
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 9:29am
  Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
  John F. Kennedy
  
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- landowner
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:07am
  Can call a constitutional convenstion to reassert the 10th amendment. DC is a corporation not a state (I knw I know…but it’s true). Time to disolve the failing business. Something I think all of us (Lib and Conservatives) could get behind.
  
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- FoxholeAtheist
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:53am
  All but 3 of those states are welfare states meaning for every dollar they give to the feds they get 1.10 to over 2.00 back, so by all means, please go. I’d love to watch Alabama after the next hurricane. Idiots.
  
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- FoxholeAtheist
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:59am
  Girlnurse, the next time you are sick or you have a sick patient, please don’t ask for or give medical treatment. Pray the sickness away. As a matter of fact, your profession has blasphemy written all over it. How dare you meddle in the will of the lawd the way you do?
  
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- Bloody Sam
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:11am
  Abraham Lincoln once said;
  
  “This country belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it.”
  
  So, while I respect Justice Scalia’s opinion and agree that there is no enumerated path for peaceful secession…We The People will never accept the yoke of oppression from tin-plated dictator-wannabees such as BHO.
  Let the word go out. We are endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights. Our Constitution simply outlines what the government cannot do to infringe on them. Clearly they have but there are limits. There WILL be a limit.
  
  Let the word go out…
  
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- maverick4harlot
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:27am
  Government doesnt give you rights, GOD DOES.
  
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- Lotus503
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:45am
  How about a Constitutional Convention to 1) reassert the Constitution 2) reassert the 10th Amendment to re-empower the states 3) strike down the 16th Amendment to take away the federal governments right to tax 4) strike down the 17th Amendment to place the accountability of each U. S. Senator back in the hands of their state legislature, where it belongs.
  
  Having Senators in Washington for SIX WHOLE YEARS with no accountability to anyone other than the people of the state at reelection time in UNACCEPTABLE. This needs to change.
  
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- Dismayed Veteran
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 12:06pm
  Of course states can secede. That is what the Declaration of Independence is all about. We seceded from the United Kingdom.
  
  For those of you who advocate secession please recall what happened the last time. Close to 700,000 Americans died. If the same ratio were applied to our current population, more than 7,000,000 would die. Any of you who have been in combat try to imagine that number of graves.
  
  We would end up being a bunch of 3rd world countries. If that is what you want go for it. My family has fought in every war and conflict from the Spanish American War to Afghanistan. You will not find us fighting for dissolutionment of the Republic.
  
  “My country; and my country is the great American Republic. My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.”
  Carl Schurz
  General, Union Army
  
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- wwyta
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 12:37pm
  “When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.”
  
  I think the case work on this one may be a little light in comparison.
  
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- Dismayed Veteran
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 12:51pm
  @SGTB
  
  Regarding your comments to Ranger1965, please re-read your Oath of Enlistment.
  
  I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.
  
  You swore true faith and allegiance to the Constitution. If you choose to join in secession, you have violated your oath. BTW, domestic enemies are people who seek to destroy the Constitution. This makes you a traitor. Our founding fathers were also considered traitors. Keep that in mind.
  
  “My country; and my country is the great American Republic. My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.”
  Carl Schurz, General, Union Army
  
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- jsisso
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 1:08pm
  The Supreme Court decision TX VS WHITE might gives them a way to secede. Controversial may be but a thought no one the less
  
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- FreedomsQB
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 1:18pm
  If you’re gonna pull your mobile home out of the park along with a bunch of other owners, it is best to drive right over the manager on the way out so he can’t call the cops or shoot out the tires. If the States decide to leave they won’t ask for permission or swerve to miss the politicians who are standing in their way! LOL!
  
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- eagleye
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 1:52pm
  Although I personally am not in favor of secession from the Union, I am however in favor of sending a message to the government, i.e obama and his chronies that we cannot nor will not sit back and allow them to push our Country over a cliff for their own personal greed and or agenda to force us into their Communist,Socialist, Marxist utopia where obami the commi is god,ruler and king. Mark my words people,in just a few years obama will do everything he can to stay in office indefinately. The problem is that we have a bunch of wimps in our congress who refuse to hold this moron accountable for his actions and impeach his ass. There is already so much evidence to support impeachment but nothing is being done about it.
  
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- Beepster
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 4:01pm
  Consider that states MAY not be able to seceed, but if the States’ united in a conference decided by the amount to set up a Constitutional Ammendment can DISOLVE the US. I think it’s a 2/3 or 3/4 majority of the states to set a Constitutional Ammendment. How many states are willing to stick their necks out that far?? Not nearly enough!!!!
  
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- viv3ug
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 4:30pm
  OK, you say not to sign anything that the wh might see. Excuse me, the wh knows everyone who voted against Obama anyway! When we contoct our reps from Washington, we give our info then. I believe that what we should do is get off of our butts and march in Washington! We should demand the truth once and for all. This election was not won on truth! How many people would have voted for this man if they knew the real truth? The GOP took seats in 2010 because we got out and let the world know what is going on. Before Jan. we need to at least try to let the world know what is going on once again and we should keep standing our ground!
  
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- girlnurse
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 4:49pm
  Hey FOXHOLE: When did God tell us to curl up into a ball, not use our talents before He returns?? No, God gave some of us a brain and an ability to function and help each other…as a matter of fact he commanded us to love each other. He gave us the biblical story of the good Samaritan who tended to the travelers wounds which tells me the Lord wants us to help people. Wow..is that all you got?
  
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- Yeah_Buddy
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 5:09pm
  Okay I’m in. Can we pick a place with a warm climate though?
  
  If DC is a company and not a state, can’t they just file Chapter 7 and eliminate the debt?
  
  How does one go about ‘abolishing the government’ anyway?
  
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- Little Brother
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 9:28pm
  We may not have a right to secede but we do have the right to have a Constitutional Convention, throw out the constitution and replace it with nothing (and 50 sovereign nations), and toss these judges out in their ears.
  
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- RepubliCorp
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:09pm
  SOYBOMB315_II yeah……lets vote for a Dr. kook and his bots. that will fix it
  
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- Brooke Lorren
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:52pm
  I’m sure that King George thought that the colonies had no right to secede either…
  
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- Brooke Lorren
  Posted on November 15, 2012 at 12:23am
  I don’t think that Obamacare, or even Obama’s reelection, is enough in itself to really justify secession; however, I don’t think that our problems are going to stop with Obamacare or a depression-like economy. I think that Obama will make good on his plans to “punish his enemies” and ensure that “the future does not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam”. Over the last four years, the government has grown more and more tyrannical. I cannot in good conscience fly, because if I’m unlucky, I’d have the choice between being molested or having naked pictures taken of me, or going to jail.
  
  If I could live my life according to my conscience, then my Christian beliefs say that I should follow the law; however, when the government tries to force me to violate my beliefs, I must not comply. This could include the provision in Obamacare forcing to pay for abortions.
  
  If the government starts to take my life, and/or the lives of people like me, because we don’t believe the way that we do, then I would say that would be justification of secession. Just because they’re not rounding up people yet doesn’t mean that they won’t. I wouldn’t put it past this president. His buddy Ayers said that once they took over the government they would eliminate those that wouldn’t be re-educated. I prefer secession, and the problems that come with it, over being liquidated without a fight… if it came down to it. I wouldn’t put it past this government to do it.
  
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- WhataBunchOfShi
  Posted on November 15, 2012 at 2:01am
  OK there you have it!!! The REAL reason for the civil war. Succession verses the Consolidation of Power to Washington DC. Really do you think all those people would have went to war over slaves!!! I doubt it.
  
  Scalia is wrong however about succession…It is possible, it just requires another Civil War! I think the South would win this time….
  
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- poco424
  Posted on November 15, 2012 at 2:06am
  Girlnurse,
  To answer your question, we have not mattered to this government since the end of the civil war. I, personally, don’t believe that if, say, Texas were to secede there would be a war to try to prevent them from doing so. There are too many right wingers strewn throughout the country who would side with Texas against this oppressive government. There are veterans who have learned lessons in Iraq and Afghanistan that would start guerrilla war. Everyone would be doing what John Brown did but more effectively.
  I think that I have a better way to stop this government from oppressing us. If each state would compel their citizens to pay all federal taxes and fees to it, the state government, and then have the state government forward what they thought was be fair and equitable to the feds in a very short time the federal government would starve. They wouldn’t be able to pay their bureaucracy or fund their military. They would have to come to their knees.
  Additionally, if each state required their representatives to confine him/herself to an office in the state capital where the citizenry could easily get their hands on them s/he would be much more responsive to those they serve. With internet and email they don’t need to be in Wash DC anyway. An added benefit would be that lobbyists would become prohibitively expensive.
  
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hauschild
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:05pm
If there is no “right” to secede, then there is only one other option and we types have done it before.

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- mikem1969
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:14pm
  LOCK AND LOAD. I am ready to take this country back from tyrany. Oh, and while we are at it, let’s send every single liberal progressive to the middle east, they should last a couple of days over there.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:19pm
  “Give us Romney, or give us death”
  
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- Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:22pm
  @Mike:
  
  That will be coming from Obama soon enough if he has his way; the difference is this – we will not be in a civil war, we will be in a revolution against the tyranny of DC and of Emperor Caligula-Obama.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:26pm
  Scalia may be losing it. He cited the pledge of allegiance as legal precedence? Wow!
  
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- HKS
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:33pm
  Looks like Obame is doing what Obame does best, dividing people. There was another guy from Illinois that was good at that some years ago, I think his name was lunkin or liken or something like that. Real good at division of the population and he even started the only war we have ever had that was all american. They must have something in the water out there that grows divisive spiteful folks like that.
  
  “Remember Benghazi”
  
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- Jarhead 88
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:37pm
  Soy, so you are reduced to copy and pasting your BS? You are such a coward, you little pansy.
  
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- Jarhead 88
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:38pm
  MIKEM1969, I’m with you brother.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:52pm
  SOY…
  
  Don’t look now but, i think JARHEAD88 has a crush on you. Every time i land on a story he’s commenting on… i see him chasing you around the playground pulling your ****…. pointing his “gun” at you.
  
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- WarMunger_Al
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:03pm
  The war has begun:
  https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/strip-citizenship-everyone-who-signed-petition-secede-and-exile-them/ZbMjcwPf
  The best part is these people all have their address listed, not a very good idea. So either the government will get you with NDAA or your neighbor will get you.
  
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- Zwolle
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:46pm
  Warmunger, it is interesting to note that the federal government does not grant citizenship to natural born. We are citizens of your respective states.. at least that is the way it was for the first 100 years of our existence.
  
  Z
  
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- resme
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 3:11pm
  @east, Ya he follows me around,also. He follows you around to hurl insults at you like republicorp and other “media matter” trolls.
  
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- Zwolle
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 3:12pm
  WOW, let me try this again. I wrote “Warmunger, it is interesting to note that the federal government does not grant citizenship to natural born. We are citizens of your respective states.. at least that is the way it was for the first 100 years of our existence”.
  
  Scene 1, take 2: We are citizens of our respective states by birth, and are de facto Citizens or People of the United States because of our state citizenship… at least that is the way it was for the first 100 years of our existence. So let the federal government strip me of my citizenship.
  
  Z
  
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- doomytram
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 3:15pm
  John Roberts said that his job, primarily, is to approve law. The 2600 page Government takeover law that is unconstitutional and taxation without representation. His job is to approve the unconstitutional tax and take over of 1/5 of our country.So some letter from Scalia doesn’t really hold much water.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 3:16pm
  @East
  haha. He reminds me of the kids in high school who make someone look at their junk and then call them gay
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 3:25pm
  SOY & RES… gotta love “tough guys” on anonymous chat sites….. makes you wonder how they treat the “real” people in their lives…
  
  i bet it’s a lot like this:
  
  http://www.80svideos.tv/play.php?vid=658
  
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- Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 3:26pm
  I feel like I did in HS. You other libertarians get all the pretty girls but nobody follows me around. (sigh)
  
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- Keatonc333
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 3:39pm
  Do it! please do it! I would love to see you try! try another civil war! i dare you! America would eradicate you in a matter of hours! remember. America has tanks, drones, missiles, nukes, etc etc. you have some hunting riffles! it’d be over SO FAST!!!
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 3:56pm
  KEATON…
  “America has tanks, drones, missiles, nukes, etc etc. you have some hunting riffles! it’d be over SO FAST!!!”
  
  As much as i think Civil War is a ridiculous fantasy, i also think the presence of tanks and drones and missile strikes on US citizens- succeeding or not- would only endear average citizens to the succesh element.. and you and i both know Nukes are way beyond even this fantasy. PS… this hypothetical conflict would not have the convenience of a Mason/ Dixon line because the conflict is not so geographically based. It would be inside-out and all over like chocolate chips on a cookie… there’s more cookie than chips… but people appreciate the chips more than the cookie…
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 3:58pm
  LOL ROTH… Always the bridesmaid.. never the Bride?
  
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- Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 4:00pm
  Keaton,
  
  Why would you kill us to keep us?
  
  Secondly, bet you dollars to donuts we’d have plenty in the international community who would recognize us and support us.
  
  Thirdly, who’s going to kill us? You? Bwuuuaaaahahahahaha!!!!
  
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- Truthbeliever2
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 4:13pm
  Soy, I updated my profile picture, and it shows the new picture in my user profile but it is still showing the same one you have… I’m not one to fiddle with such things for very long, so I guess the Blaze will get around to updating it when they can.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 4:22pm
  @truth
  When i changed to this one – it seemed like weeks before it was updated. So long, torn Constitution twin
  
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- justangry
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 4:23pm
  @doomytram, You don’t have representatives where you live?
  
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- VanceUppercut
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 4:30pm
  You people are aware that the United States military has thermonuclear weapons, right? I mean, I know you’re just blowing off steam and that this is all just empty talk, but if you really wanted to get down and rock and roll, you would lose.
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 4:36pm
  @Truthbeliever2
  “Soy, I updated my profile picture, and it shows the new picture in my user profile but it is still showing the same one you have… I’m not one to fiddle with such things for very long, so I guess the Blaze will get around to updating it when they can.”
  
  It’s not The Blaze…. so don’t look to them to update your picture.
  
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- Truthbeliever2
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 4:37pm
  Soy, I still picked a torn constitution, just a slightly different look. So now we will be fraternal. Have a great day.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 4:40pm
  TRUTH… i just went through the same thing a couple weeks ago and emailed the Blaze to find out what was up… they emailed back saying it would happen when my browser cache auto-clears or i could manually dump it… don’t know what you surf with but it should be easy to find on your browser’s home page. good luck..
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 4:49pm
  i love these people that assume the US military would be on the Union’s side… You know Lee was a General in the Union Army don’t you?
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 4:52pm
  Hey Monk…
  i think i got the tech lingo right there… did that make sense? lol
  
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- usedCZARsalesman
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 5:00pm
  EAST…you hit the nail on the head. OFF TOP you know that Nat. Guard units are going to defend their home states/the opposite side of Obama. Then you can almost guarantee that at LEAST 30-40% of the regular army and 75-100% of the Special Forces defect as well. They may have nukes (although nuking your own country doesn’t make much sense and I’m not sure why people are mentioning it) but they most likely won’t have anyone to push the damn button…FOOLS
  
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- WarMunger_Al
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 5:07pm
  Vance-
  And where would the US launch said nuclear weapons? Which state would they incinerate and how effective do you think it would be in stopping a civil war? You don’t know squat about nukes or military strategy. Maybe we can convince them to nuke DC. Fact is, the situation would look like Syria mixed with Bosnia/Kosovo. Not very pleasant for either side, but the politicians would suffer the greatest casualties, along with all the welfare losers of the disjointed states of America. I guarantee third party participation as well, which will make for a lively gathering.
  
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- Mil-Dot
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 5:36pm
  Check out Vance. He is a regular CIA agent he is. Yep, Now, in order to control every aspect of our lives that wonderful bunch of guys and gals in DC are going to use strategic nukes against us. Wow, aren’t they all and the leeches that support them great Americans? I mean, they will do anything to get at our money even if they have to nuke us. That post by Vance is testimony to the insanity of the progs and why they must be fought and terminated with extreme prejudice. Strat nukes huh? lol.
  
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- morioka
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 7:26pm
  To see the great empire of America divided, torn and weakened.
  Obama’s wet dream.
  
  DON’T GIVE HIM THAT
  stay strong, determined and hopeful, someone is watching over you like he always had.
  we’re in Israel praying for your prosperity and for the empire’s return.
  
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- ProbIemSoIver
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 7:56pm
  Headfullof88rocks and I had a debate the other night .lol.
  
  Guess who brought logic and facts, and guess who resorted to odious empty threats. lol.
  
  That dude is a Ringling Brothers, Barnum and Baily reject.
  
  Of Course I shot the Clown down, on an intellectual level. ;)
  
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- ProbIemSoIver
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 8:11pm
  Here are excerpts from Rockhead vs ProbIemSoIver
  
  Jarhead 88
  Posted on November 11, 2012 at 9:31pm
  
  “F U Obama and all your worshipers, Paulbots included, you have a serious price to pay and it’s coming. Semper Fidelis.”
  
  ProbIemSoIver
  Posted on November 11, 2012 at 9:47pm
  
  @Jarofrocksinyourhead
  “You should kiss “Paulbots” feet. They are by far the most intelligent and educated people around.
  They are well past the Left vs. Right Paradigm confusion.
  Anyone who backs Romney or Obama or any of the other establishment minions are clueless.
  You are one of these people aforementioned.
  Read my transcripts or remain ignorant.
  
  Jarhead 88
  Posted on November 11, 2012 at 9:50pm
  
  “I got your transcripts, freak. Come read them, I wrote them on all my rounds, I’ll send them to you when you come anywhere close to me, moron.”
  
  ProbIemSoIver
  Posted on November 11, 2012 at 10:07pm
  @Headfullofrocks
  
  lol.
  Targets don’t shoot back. I do.
  iii
  Hey clown, want to focus your anger on those who deserve it ?
  Did you know that YOU were Pledged as COLLATERAL to a PRIVATE BANK for the DEBT of Another Man ?
  This had nothing to do with the DemocRATS or RepubliCONS, Communism or Capitalism.
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlCs7u1ihws
  
  lol. there was alot more.
  
  ProbIemSoIver 1 – Jarfullofrocksforahead 0
  
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- ProbIemSoIver
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 8:44pm
  Is Vance CIA ???
  
  He sounds really dumb to me.
  
  Hey Vance. Do you like me posting things like this ?
  
  The CIA is a PRIVATE COMPANY
  
  “US Central Intelligence Agency in Washington, DC is a private company categorized under Federal Government-National Security. Register for free to see additional information such as annual revenue and employment figures.”
  
  John Kringen
  President
  
  Donald Kerr
  Cio/Cto
  
  John Young
  Cio/Cto
  
  Leon Panetta
  Board Member
  
  http://www.manta.com/c/mtw1s0x/us-central-intelligence-agency
  
  I Don’t Acknowledge that a Private Company has any jurisdiction over a sovereign.
  
  Kick rocks punks. When America resets, the CIA will be in the History Books as a corrupt, dysfuctional
  agency. Crooks In Action.
  
  Prescott Bush helped Bring you in. The American People will take you out !!!!
  
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- Jarhead 88
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 9:07pm
  Problemmaker, You make me laugh, you and your little pansy paultot pals. I must have really hit a nerve to get you to find my posts and then copy and paste them, LOL! You and Soy, YeastInfection, et al should get some pink uniforms to match your new name, the Bend-Over Brigade.
  
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- ProbIemSoIver
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 9:22pm
  No one listened to this freak when he warned us.
  (Actually the MSM buried this, until the Internet let it out:)
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc7i0wCFf8g
  
  They wanted to divide us to help make us easier to conquer.
  
  “They” are Bush’s and Obama’s Masters – The Banksters.
  
  Bush called them the “U.N.’s Founders.”
  
  Yes, the IMF and World Bank created the United Nations behind the League of Nations Curtain.
  
  It is the IMF and WB’s owners that are the “U.N.’s Founders”, and ALL of our “representatives”, including Presidents, are subservient to the “U.N.s Founders”
  
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- ProbIemSoIver
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 9:29pm
  @RocksandJars
  
  lol. k. I am done.
  
  Was a fun debate. At least we both love our second amendment rights, our Country, and we hate socialists.
  
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- Reality_Bites_You_on_the_Ass
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 10:06pm
  You fools are always screaming “If you don’t like American then get out!” Time to practice what you preach. No one will stop you. Stop cowardly hiding behind whether or not you have a right to secede. Just go if you do not like it here. People do it all the time.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 10:13pm
  JARHEAD88…
  
  You have got to figure out who your real enemies are… If you notice… The Libertarians on here are the ones actually making the arguments FOR your Civil War.. WE think the Constitution is worth fighting for… What are you fighting for?.. Do you even know? Are you fighting for the right to make bizarre, homoerotic jokes about SOY, RESME, ROTH, myself, and others… or do you actually BELIEVE in something tangible you can articulate? …. or do you just want to shoot stuff?.. If that is the case, we will surely provide you with an assignment when we are in charge… If you have some thoughts of your own that aren’t about shooting the people actually giving you the opportunity to revolt as you desire to….. now would be the time to spell them out for us…. your fellow disgruntled countrymen.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 10:26pm
  REALITY…
  nobody is going anywhere… this is how the seceding factions feel….
  (and reading posts like yours makes me ever-increasingly sympathetic to them)
  
  This land is my land.
  This land ain’t your land.
  
  I have a shotgun
  and you don’t have one
  
  If you don’t get off
  we’ll **** your head off
  
  This land is private property.
  
  ……do you get it yet? Stop telling your fellow disgruntled Americans to sit down and shut up.. They are pretty angry.. I believe it is your ilk that needs to make some concessions…
  
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- Reality_Bites_You_on_the_Ass
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 12:59am
  Eastinfection: Spare me your threats. You have no idea what type of firearms I have. You don’t even make any sense. I certainly was not telling anyone to sit down. Quite the opposite. Like it or not, the people have spoken. America has made it clear that they do not want crazy teapublicans in office and that they want Barack Obama to be president for 4 more years. What I see now, in the wake of the overwhelming defeat the right suffered (because of voter fraud – sure, right), are a bunch of sore losers that did not get their way so they are now making empty promises to seceded. They want to act as if they are making some actual threat when it is pointless. Anyone advocating secession is not a patriot, they are traitors. If you are really so bothered by what is going on here, then pack up your stuff and move somewhere else. No one is going to secede anyway so that is pretty much your only option. And no one will stop you either.
  
  Personally, I think the red states should be cut loose. They are a drain on the economy that the rest of us are supporting. Of the 32 states that receive more federal money (welfare, etc) than they contribute in taxes, 27 of them are red states. That means that actually the red states are the takers. Secession of them would be the best thing for the remaining United States. But you are right about one thing – no one is going anywhere because they have neither the support of the guts to follow through on it.
  
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- Reality_Bites_You_on_the_Ass
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 5:46am
  justangry: Not much different than the religious right citing the pledge to claim American is a nation “under god.” At least the “indivisible” wording was in the original writing of the Pledge and not just added in 1954 like “under god.” I guess anyone that cites either, to use your words, is “losing it.”
  
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- Reality_Bites_You_on_the_Ass
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 6:01am
  mikem1969, You’re a real tough guy, aren’t you? How many times have you been to the middle east? I have been there several times and never had any problems. But then again, I actually use my mind and energy to learn about the world and other cultures, not just make empty threats, acting like your jingoism is bigger than everyone else’s. If you hate this country then get the hell out. I am sure you have said that to a few people in your day. Time to practice what you preach because there are two things that are undeniable truths in the USA: 1) Barack Obama was elected to a second term with over 50% of the vote and 2) The vast majority of tea parties are hosted by little girls.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 7:36am
  REALITYBITES…
  
  If you were to actually read what i have written on these pages you would understand that (a) i am neither tea party nor republican (b) i am not advocating secession but merely making the argument for it in light of the lame arguments against it (c) i am not threatening anyone but attempting to articulate the feelings of those that are serious about revolt. I personally own no fire arms and have never felt compelled to acquire any… and finally (d) i have spent the last few days on here arguing against the notion of widespread voter fraud…. This is the problem with your ilk… they only skim through the words looking for small things to purposely take out of context. Everything is so literal with zero tolerance for cynicism, sarcasm, or playful conjecture…. That is also the problem with the hard core RINOs, as well… Too bent on ideology/ theology to have a reasonable discussion.. My point is this: I will always articulate the viewpoint that i think is strongest in support for the Constitution and it’s legislated intent… in other words: Libertarianism. Peace.
  
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- Zipit
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 8:37am
  East! I noticed that RealityBites didn’t say what he was doing on his several trips to the Mideast! However from the content in his recent posts, I doubt that he was serving his country! I could be mistaken, but………..
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 8:53am
  lol ZIP… good catch… hmnn?…
  
  perhaps he/she/it works with NASA’s “Muslim Outreach” program?…
  
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- Reality_Bites_You_on_the_Ass
  Posted on November 15, 2012 at 3:00am
  EAST: I apologize but you must understand I am not used to encountering actual thinking people on this site. Take for example…
  
  ZIPIT: There are other reasons to travel the world aside aside from militarily. I don’t suspect you have a wide range of cultural experiences though.
  
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Margyt
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:05pm
This is a beautiful little exercise in constitutional law that is well worth the doing. Secession is a silly idea…where would we go? We are strong together or we fall together. Thank you Judge Scalia in weighing in and reminding us that good, bad or indifferent, be belong to each other.

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- Cavallo
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:16pm
  I am owned by no man. I belong to no one, not you, not the feds. Peddle fascist loyalty to someone else.
  
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- mikem1969
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:19pm
  margyt, if you have not noticed, the libs and progressives already played the divide and conquer card. They have divided us by class to kill the middle class, they have divided us by race to keep their party in power, they have divided us by ideology, and they have also divided us as makers and takers as well as those who want morality and immorality, so divided we have already fallen. Succession is the last peaceful means we have of trying to keep some freedoms and liberties. If we can’t succeed, then we have a REVOLUTION. Either way I am on board and will die fighting for freedom for my kids and your kids.
  
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- WarMunger_Al
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:26pm
  This country is not United. This country is not free. You are slave to the whims of the government and you have no voice. The only sound they will hear is the sound of gunfire.
  
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- Lord_Frostwind
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:39pm
  According to Constitutional law, you are correct. That said, if states want to leave the union, does Constitutional law really matter? For example, if you pass a law to stop a lawbreaker from using a gun, will he stop using a gun. No, you can’t control something that views itself beyond your authority by decree, force is the only method of coercion that will work. “The pen is only as mighty as the swords that guard it.”
  
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- Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 3:24pm
  Yeah Dummy. That’s what the DOI says. Uh huh. That’s why the founders fought the revolution. (scratching head). If only they would have had you to show them how wonderful King George really was. Ooops, they did…Torries. Seems history is chock full of boot licking serfs.
  
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- usedCZARsalesman
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 4:03pm
  ROTH…if only theblaze had a “like” button for that comment. I want to smash out the teeth of the next sniffling cowardly peasant that tells me to shut up and take it because we can’t possibly do it alone…
  
  I live in Arkansas and did my military time in LA. If AR, TX, and LA seceded, we would have TEN TIMES the food, fuel, and military we needed to rely solely on ourselves. The cowards are pathetic
  
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- Chuck Stein
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 8:06pm
  @ Margyt
  It actually goes back before the Constitution. Nope, not the Declaration of Independence. The Articles of Confederation made the union of the states permanent. Lincoln cited it in defense of his efforts to stop states from seceding. Of course, it is a bit problematic for the Articles of Confederation to be deemed to have any effect as the Articles were considered dissolved once the constitutional convention met. That dissolution was a spur to getting the Constitution (“we have now met, thus the Articles are dissolved, so now we need something new”)
  
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- Reality_Bites_You_on_the_Ass
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 5:53am
  mikem1969: I am pretty sure the whole “makers and takers” division is coming from the teapublican Bizarro world. Let me give you some facts about that. There are 32 states that receive more federal funds than the contribute in taxes. 27 of those 32 are red states. The red states are the takers no matter how you look at it. So go on and seceded. Red states are the dead weight holding this nation back.
  
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SimpleTruths
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:04pm
I’m going to spend my time, energy and resources building my Country while you waste yours building a bunker. Losers, all of you.

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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:09pm
  You can’t “build a country” without working people and producers I’m afraid. I hang with very intelligent people when I’m offline, and not a one of them isn’t seriously entertaining the notion that yes, we may well want to secede.
  
  When the producers and productive leave you high and dry, you’ll be free to sink back into mud huts and tribal conflicts, from whence your kind arose to ride on our backs.
  
  Shrug.
  
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- HKS
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:14pm
  Don’t build to much, Obame will just have to redistribute.
  
  “Remember Benghazi”
  
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- WarMunger_Al
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:28pm
  you have no country, you are a subject. You can’t build anything.
  
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- objectivetruth
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:35pm
  warmongeral
  You are so right.So very very right.
  
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- Cavallo
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:42pm
  @WarMunger_Al, Simple means that he pledges himself to the State and to be a dutiful slave/subject. As long as he gets his pat on the head and his obama money or his obama phone he will be a happy little worker for the state. Simple-tons like him are comfortable being in bondage, as long as they are permitted their perversions they will be happy to worship at the altar of the State.
  
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- OFSHOOTER
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:44pm
  Yeah right! Judging by your picture you look like the only thing you will build is a joint and a TV tray to set your handouts on. We will remember all your little smug comments when judgement day comes!
  
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- IndyGuy
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:45pm
  @SimpleTruths….Your country??? You didn’t build that…
  
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- SimpleTruths
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:22pm
  I am a provider, a builder, not a taker. I’m not worried about little piss ants like you. You’re mouth’s are big but your hearts and minds are small.
  
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- Oilfield_Trash
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:23pm
  “Would rather live on your knees that die on your feet”? (quote from the hippies in the sixties)
  
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- Banter
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:25pm
  @simpletruths
  
  You liberal pansy. You use your time, energy, and resources to side with the looters, the regime that enables the looters, and the indoctrinators of future looters.
  
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- AZRogue
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 4:08pm
  You’re absolutely right. This wasn’t the end of the world, it was simply an election. We’ve had them before. And if anyone thinks THIS is Tyranny, they’ve led a very sheltered lives or they’re drama queens of epic proportion. Iraq had tyranny; this doesn’t qualify. Just a bunch of people complaining about paying into Medicare and Social Security and the horror of eventually collecting (damn our communist grandmothers!!!!!1!!11! ). All this “I’m a victim” crying is shameful. Instead of working on what you can from within the system they’d rather take their ball and go home. That’s fine. Looking at their masterful grasp of simple grammar, I’d say most of them were unproductive takers anyway. If they produce anything it’s only when they empty the septic tank on their trailers.
  
  If it were Democrats whining this way after a Romney win most of these peeps would be calling them, correctly, traitors. AND cowards, because I doubt I will be seeing on the news any reports of anyone here taking the first step to enact their little trailer-park revolution. I’ll keep an eye out, though, LOL
  
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- IndyGuy
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 4:30pm
  SimpleTruths writes: “Losers, all of you.”… And… “little piss ants like you”…….Spoken like a true Lib…
  
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- WarMunger_Al
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 5:16pm
  AZrogue-
  Iraq- If you spoke out against the regime you could disappear without a trial= tyranny
  US- if the regime labels you a terror supporter, you can disappear without a trial= tyranny
  Iraq= The regime controlled what people bought and who they bought it from
  US- The government can make you buy insurance= can make you buy anything and prevent you from buying what you want (big gulps, salty food, pot, etc…) = tyranny.
  Iraq=lots of people in jail
  US- more people incarcerated than any other nation on earth= tyranny
  
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- Mil-Dot
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 5:43pm
  Who the hell says it’s your country? You? You do not possess any more authority or claim to this country than anybody else does. The boot licking commies will get theirs. It may not happen today or tomorrow or next week. But, it will happen. You will be among them.
  
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WHATYOUSAY
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:04pm
I’d have to check but I’d be surprised if the colonists had the “right” to declare independence from the British. My guess is they didn’t but they saw the need to overcome. If Obama won’t support Federal Immigration Laws then why should we, the people abide by Federal Secession Laws?

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- Southpaw
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:29pm
  You nailed it. Sharia law doesn’t allow a wife to leave her husband either. The Constitution is a contract. When one side is not abiding by their end of the contract, the other side of the contract can leave whenever they like. Our Government is talking like a psycho boyfriend who forces a girl to date him. That’s not how it works. Do what you are supposed to do and we’ll want to stay. I’m sure when the Founders wrote:
  
  “When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.”
  
  THEY MUST’VE MEANT IT ONLY IN THAT ONCE INSTANCE!!! IDIOTS!!
  
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- True American66
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:42pm
  It’s not that Obozo wont SUPPORT Federal immigration laws; it’s that he won’t ENFORCE them…he will give amnesty to the 78% of the Hispanics who have NO ALLEGIANCE to this country…they don’t even understand the concept of America and, if they do, they side with the traitors who want to “transform” it….I’ve witnessed, first hand, many times that they are takers and users; they want free healthcare, food, housing, and any other “free” thing they can get….why do you think they left their countries?…nothing free to get there!
  
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- mike_trivisonno
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:19pm
  You are correct. The suffering, overtaxed colonists had absolutely no right to defy the King George, Monarch of the most power empire that planet has ever seen. But they did it anyway.
  
  To secure Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Property.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:23pm
  WHATYOU & SOUTHPAW…
  
  Exactly… NFL players retire all the time when they have multiple years left on their contract…. Nobody tries to force them to keep playing.
  
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- Go Glenn
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 4:39pm
  As Southpaw stated………..you nailed it. We can do what ever we choose to do.
  
  A few questions:
  What will the Government do to stop us?
  When they declare martial law will the soldiers really turn against us?
  When the 2nd Amendment lovers come out with our millions of rounds of ammo, will the soldiers stop and join us?
  Who will be shot in the streets 1) we who are prepared of 2) the looters and rioters
  Do you think the looters and rioters are Conservative or Liberals?
  
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JJohnGalt2
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:04pm
Judge Scalia is one man’s opinion. Depends on how the Seccession is raised. Does Soveriegn States exist or not?

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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:23pm
  I believe one of the first acts of congress was to incorporate the Declaration of Independence. The Declaration clearly states that secession is necessary and a natural course of action.
  
  Personally, I would prefer we try politicians like Ron Paul before we go all-in on secession. If the republican party wont even hear people like Ron Paul – then your secession fantasy wont get off the ground
  
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- WarMunger_Al
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:33pm
  Soy-
  People like Ron Paul will never be elected, because the majority of Americans prefer to be ruled. Freedom is too hard. It requires responsibility. Only 20% of the population wanted a revolution in the beginning of our country. the biggest mistake after the war was letting the loyalists and sideline sitters remain in the country. Now those evil seeds have sprouted and freedom is dead.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:57pm
  just sayin – i’ll believe all this talk about freedom and what not when people at least have the courage to support the liberty candidates. I find it hard to believe these people are wiling to endure hardship when they wont even endure politicians who are ultra Constitutional
  
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AmericaMustBeFree
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:04pm
That really sucks, I seriously thought about moving to anyone of those states if they got to secede.. why? Bacause I do not want to be under the rule of a dictator! Thanks anyway!

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- Dr Vel
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 10:34pm
  You already are you fool and your Paul zombi-ism aided and abetted the dictators reign.
  
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Jeetman
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:03pm
The only way states will secede, will be through another civil war. If in the coming months or years Obozo continues to step on the Constitution, I think it may come to fruition. I WILL NOT accept a dictator and I WILL fight against communism or a New World Order.

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- GlenBeckisGarbage
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 6:14pm
  I would love to get rid of the red states that drain the federal government. Go look for yourself who takes more money then they contribute, its mostly red.
  
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IMCHRISTIAN
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:02pm
However, we can be forced to eat and drink certain things. We can be forced to buy things we don’t want to buy, It is so confusing all these do’s and don’ts

“We find freedom when we find God: we lose it when we lose Him.

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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:12pm
  I can’t be forced into any of those things. I can be inconvenienced, but if I want to eat, drink, smoke or shoot a particular firearm, I can and will do it. My liberty is mine as an individual, and it is not a set of privileges which I beg for occasional permission to exercise.
  
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- WarMunger_Al
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:37pm
  Ghost-
  do you/would you concealed carry without “permission” of the government?
  
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- IMCHRISTIAN
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:38pm
  Ghost- I do like the way you think. I was just thinking about when schools have to serve certain things and amounts, the Politicians that said you can’t drink service 16oz soft drinks (no, nothing about 2-8 oz), and (suggestion) to cut meat one day a week. It is ridiculous the freedom they are TRYING to take away.
  
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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:43pm
  Yes Warmonger. We didn’t have CHL’s prior to 2004 in Ohio. Didn’t stop me.
  
  My rights are mine to exercise. I don’t need permission to peacefully exercise them.
  
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- WarMunger_Al
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:26pm
  Ghost-
  I like you. you are right on. It isn’t a right if you have to ask permission.
  Stay safe.
  
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Jenny Lind
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:02pm
I beg to differ with him, he needs to re-read the Declaration Of Independance.

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- Texas Chris
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:07pm
  Exactly.
  
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RandomMan
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:02pm
Justice Scalia, if its the will of the people, I would like to see you try to stop them.

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- tipofthespear42
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 9:50am
  Correct!!! Do all of these so=called Justices and Lawmakrs and POS people in D.C actually think that “We the People” (now 47 States strong in petitions) can NOT R E VO L T to get them all the hell out of OUR COUNTRY when they are the very people destroying it??!!
  
  When it happens,…”they” will be te ones who are N U L L and V O I D ……………period!!
  Ranger is spot on!
  
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soybomb315_II
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:01pm
i have seen scalia waffle on a number of issues that he should be rock solid on. I’m afraid the only reliable one is Thomas, so all the talk about winning the supreme court is a lost cause.

Scalia should know better than to think about secession as a Constitutional issue. What does it matter what the Constitution says if the government no longer follows it? And if it were a Constitutional issue, how in the hell could a supreme court justice use the results of a WAR to arrive at the correct Constitutional interpretation????

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DesertPaine
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:00pm
Just because Abe Lincoln said secession could not be done and invented a set of criteria for his determination does not make it so. See, the 13A/14A ratification fiascos.

Just because federal courts would probably not have jurisdiction to hear such a case does not mean the right to secede does not exist.

Finally, c’mon people. If you are asking permission to secede then you have already given up your cajones. Act like the free people that you once were.

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- Mil-Dot
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:05pm
  I know. Asking to secede. What a joke. “Mother may I please”…….Pfffttt
  
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- COFemale
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:17pm
  Encinom since we do not know who file the petitions you can’t assume it was Tea Party people. I would think we would have heard from our own tea party factions this course of action. I have not heard any. All this filing was a surprise to me.
  
  Frankly, I think the White House created the letter’s, posted them on their website, get ppl to sign them and then go after them under NDAA as an enemy to the state. This is a ruse cooked up by Progressives and Soro’s new world order. Don’t play the game.
  
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- Cavallo
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:32pm
  Lady Marian Fitzswalter (Olivia de Havilland) “Why, you speak treason! ”
  
  Sir Robin of Locksley (Errol Flynn ) “Fluently.”
  
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- WarMunger_Al
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:39pm
  Encinom-
  you and your kind will fall quickly and violently. It must be hard going through life with the mental capacity of a maggot.
  
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- Small World
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:09pm
  It’s so much bigger than loosing an election .The fix was in. What do we do just sit back and take .Not to stand is to stand.
  
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SICKtwistedFREAK
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:59pm
Does anyone really believe a state would seek permission to secede? In essence, the 13 colonies seceded from Britain, and from what I know about that story George Washington did not defeat them with petitions and the right to free speech…..he shot them.

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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:07pm
  Precisely correct. If you reject the legal bindings of another society and leave, you simply cannot be held to the legal consequences of that system (on a national/state scale I mean). You either duke it out, or you have a peaceful resolution (such as happened in the former Czechoslovakia).
  
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- Clownzilla
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:47pm
  Regardless if it’s a good idea or not that is the absolute truth. No country in their right mind would allow secession. That’s why it usually happens by some sort of war or threat of war. People can’t even look at our Declaration Of Independence and see that it CLEARLY STATES that it’s our responsibility to do this if we think the government has stopped working for it’s people. Sure, it obviously won’t happen soon but how about 30 years from now? This is something that needs to be taken seriously and not laughed at. I have not seen this much talk on secession in my entire life and SOMETHING serious has started brewing. It might not be a serious threat for decades but it’s still a SERIOUS threat to the wholeness of our union down the road.
  
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ljrrn
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:59pm
C’mon, we all know that the only rights we have are to healthcare and free birth control.

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Gary_K
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:58pm
The government has no RIGHT redistributing wealth, playing favorites and race baiting.

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- AZRogue
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 4:18pm
  The government redistributes wealth every time they give a corporation a tax credit or incentive, each time the grant an industry a subsidy. It redistributes wealth every time it focuses the nation’s energy and money on rebuilding an area struck by disaster. They pick winners and losers every time they choose which company gets a defense contract. Hell, every time they decide to take a freeway past a particular city–which will grow and flourish as a result–but not another, which will eventually dwindle away. The government has always done these things since before the Constitution was formed. The only real change happened near the beginning of the last century when we, as a country, decided to protect the most vulnerable among us and to enact a social safety net, which remains, when compared to the rest of the civilized world, paltry and slightly pathetic. That’s it. It’s a decision our country made as a whole and we have not repudiated it, nor shall we anytime soon. If you don’t believe me, convince a candidate to run on a platform of abolishing SS and Medicare and see how far they get.
  
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circleDwagons
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:56pm
Might makes right. Just ask GOD, oh i forgot there is no god and his name is obama Love

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- Mil-Dot
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:02pm
  Exactly. You say this, I say that, ok then let’s fight about it. Is that not how it usually goes?
  
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Mike76
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:56pm
LOL! No right to secede? I’m sure King George said the same thing. LMAO! If the time does come, believe me, we won’t be asking permission.

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- Oilfield_Trash
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:06pm
  It’s not like this administration abides by the Constitution anyway, why then should the states? We now (at last count) have 47 states petitioning to secede (which should be spelled “succeed” in this instance!!). Obviously enough is enough.. with the number 47 Obama thinks we have 10 or 11 states left to petition LMFAO!!!
  
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- nonofmybiznez
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:51pm
  I’m with you Oilfield
  
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- Oldphoto678
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:24pm
  Oilfield, there are no states petitioning to secede. Not one. There may be a small percentage of people in some states petitioning to secede, but NO state is trying to leave the union.
  
  Some might say you’re an idiot.
  
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freedomisasfreedomdoes
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:55pm
What about Texas?

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- Oilfield_Trash
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:16pm
  @ENCINOM
  “Don’t Mess With Texas”…. As far as “rights” go, The Fed. Gov. steps all over your “rights” daily. You need to get back to reality. How well are you going to enjoy it when your government allows a foreign government (UN) to puts boots on the ground of this soverign nation to take your guns, by force if necessary? (you probably won’t to abolish the 2nd amendment anyway).
  
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- Jeetman
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:26pm
  Hey Encinom, You come here all the time to piss people off. Let me make you a promise. If there is a civil war, I won’t hessitate to take you out first jackass. You would be considered a traitor and you know what happens to traitors you f**king POS?
  
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- booger71
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:36pm
  Encinomom
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  But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.–Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
  
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- encinom
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:54pm
  Jeetman
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:26pm
  
  Hey Encinom, You come here all the time to piss people off. Let me make you a promise. If there is a civil war, I won’t hessitate to take you out first jackass. You would be considered a traitor and you know what happens to traitors you f**king POS?
  ______________________
  Its the tea baggers talking treason. Its the tea baggers seeking to destroy the Republic and the Constitution and replace it with a theocracy and a country by and for the corporations and the 1%.
  
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- doomytram
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 3:20pm
  @Encinom Your Encinom, you don’t know that Oboozo wants to destroy the country. You think it’s the Tea Party, so that show’s how much you know…….Your Encinom, so what you say is wrong.
  
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- muffythetuffy
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 8:55pm
  THE AMERICAN EAGLE HOLDS OLIVE BRANCHES IN ONE TALON AND ARROWS IN THE OTHER
  
  Americans have always figured out how to survive. We will always work to use the Rule of Law and peace to win our rights. The Continental Congress negotiated for over a year with the King and got no where. We must do the same because it is right. If we are forced to devote our attention to arrows, we will do it.
  
  If the 50 percent of Americans are serious then by next year we will be ready to elect delegates to a Second Continental Congress as Free Men have a right to peacefully assemble.
  
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FANGS
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:55pm
Pray for America’s Civil war to start now.

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- SimpleTruths
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:01pm
  The Civil War has started already – in the Republican Party.
  
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- zapparules
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:23pm
  Feel free to get started right on that
  
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- Dismayed Veteran
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 1:37pm
  Fangs
  
  Are you really prepared to fill/see 7,000,000,000 graves? The Civil War produced nearly 700,000 dead. Using the same death to population figures, our next civil war hits the 7 million mark.
  
  The Declaration of Independence give us the “right” to secede. Of course, our founding fathers were traitors to the British government and they knew it.
  
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FANGS
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:54pm
Scalia is now just another American TERRORIST.

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- SimpleTruths
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:16pm
  Wow I guess no one can be conservative enough for you can they. He’s the furthest of the far right Justice’s on the SCOTUS.
  
  What it comes down to is anyone that doesn’t agree with you is a Terrorist, gee I wonder why you lost.
  
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Gonzo
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:54pm
Thanks a bunch Abe.

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- TH30PH1LUS
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:39pm
  For which of his many legal creations? How about the IRS? IRS has its roots deep in American blood.
  
  In July 1863, during the Civil War, President Abraham Lincoln and Congress created the office of Commissioner of Internal Revenue and enacted a temporary income tax to pay war expenses.
  
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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:44pm
  And the majority of his federal tax collectors went out and never came back, or came back as a head on a pike. So much for the IRS.
  
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- BODYBAG
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:14pm
  @TH30PH1LUS
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:39pm
  enacted a temporary income tax to pay war expenses.
  ————————————-
  Typical progressive BS history re-write. Key word being “temporary”.
  Woodrow Wilson brought it back permanently with the 17th amendment
  You’re welcome.
  
  This is just like the lame @ss mantra by the Barry Regime:
  “There’s a choice between moving Forward in progress, OR returning to the same old failed policies that got us into this mess in the first place”
  
  What policies are those exactly? Tax cuts didnt cause the economic crisis. Neither did regulation.
  MORTGAGE FRAUD initiated the financial collapse —– brought on by radical progressive groups [Acorn] bullying banks and congress with the idea that everyone deserves homeownership regardless of whether they can afford it or not —– and Wall St turning it into a ponzi scheme.
  
  BTW Barry The Boy-King was the attorney who won the LANDMARK case for ACORN that made it all possible.
  
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- TH30PH1LUS
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:26pm
  @ BODYBAG
  
  FYI I cut and pasted that definition from Wiki. I agree that the word “temporary” is laughably ironic.
  
  We have a tax code 10 times longer than the Bible. It is unbearably convoluted and totally unfair (50% of Americans pay nothing). We can do better than the IRS … it’s long overdue IMO.
  
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- TH30PH1LUS
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:30pm
  @ BODYBAG
  
  FYI I cut & pasted that definition from Wiki. I agree that the term “temporary” is laughably ironic. We’ve let it go for so long… now we have a tax code 10 times longer than the Bible. Utterly convoluted and totally unfair (50% of Americans pay nothing).
  
  We can do better than the IRS. It’s LONG overdue.
  
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- BODYBAG
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 3:28pm
  @TH30PH1LUS
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:26pm
  We have a tax code 10 times longer than the Bible. It is unbearably convoluted and totally unfair (50% of Americans pay nothing). We can do better than the IRS … it’s long overdue IMO.
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  And on that we agree. I took your post wrong. I apologise.
  
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alaz0405
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:54pm
We had no right to secede from the British in 1776, either. If pushed to an extreme (and we’re by no means there yet and hopefully won’t be), the same right would exist, IF we could win.

Tony
Oathkeeper and Iraq vet

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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:10pm
  Right. Nobody ever allows power to leave their grasp. A wife beater never lets his wife go free – he will abuse her again and again until she leaves
  
  This country was built on the idea of individual freedom and secession. For a long time, it was the only thing keeping the federal government from doing things it shouldn’t do. But when that option is removed, there is virtually nothing stopping the tyranny of the federal branch
  
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caleejr
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:53pm
he didn’t cite anything other than the pledge of allegiance….

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- ScreaminEagle
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:06pm
  I thought he was to protect the Costitution, not replace it with the Pledge of Allegiance. This is our Supreme Court? God help us.
  
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- Nothing New
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 2:10pm
  Excellent point!
  
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Trigus
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:48pm
“If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.”
Samuel Adams

“Every step we take towards making the State our Caretaker of our lives, by that much we move toward making the State our Master.”
Dwight D. Eisenhower

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- Trigus
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:56pm
  I will give you one more quote to think about:
  
  “Now more than ever before, the people are responsible for the character of their Congress. If that body be ignorant, reckless and corrupt, it is because the people tolerate ignorance, recklessness and corruption. If it be intelligent, brave and pure, it is because the people demand these high qualities to represent them in the national legislature…. If the next centennial does not find us a great nation … it will be because those who represent the enterprise, the culture, and the morality of the nation do not aid in controlling the political forces.”
  James Garfield, the twentieth president of the United States, 1877
  
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- Serenabit
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:58pm
  ~Amen,
  And so mote it be!
  
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- Gonzo
  Posted on November 13, 2012 at 1:03pm
  Garfield was wrong actually. It is failing because those who represent the enterprise, the culture, and the morality of the nation DO aid in controlling the political forces.”
  
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