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Atheists Petition Obama to Nix ‘God’ & the Bible From Presidential Inauguration Oath: ‘Religious Rhetoric Is Empty’

Nov. 14, 2012 8:57am Billy Hallowell

Considering their left-of-center views on a plethora of issues, many atheist activists saw President Barack Obama as the lesser of two evils this election season. But their disdain for Mitt Romney wasn’t only limited to policy. When juxtaposed against Obama, the former Massachusetts governor is overwhelmingly more devout in his faith and its practice — something that served as a turnoff to many non-believers. Consider, as one anecdotal example, the anti-Mormon rhetoric that famed non-theist Richard Dawkins recently spewed on Twitter.

Now, in the wake of Obama’s victory, atheists are setting their sights on a popular American tradition — the inclusion of the Almighty in the official presidential oath. The Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF), an atheist activist non-profit, sent a letter to Obama on Friday, urging the president to remove “God” from the proclamation.

Atheists Petition Obama to Nix God & the Bible From Presidential Inauguration Oath: Religious Rhetoric Is Empty

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“I write to respectfully ask you to re-examine the use of religion as a political tool in your second term as president,” wrote Andrew L. Seidel, an attorney with the group.

The FFRF lawyer went on to cite the increase in the proportion of Americans who do not embrace a higher power, noting that one in five are now “nones,” meaning that they are not attached to any particular faith. Seidel described these individuals — and most notably, the nation’s younger cohort of “nones” — as a group that is “tired of leaders injecting religion into politics.”

“For secular America, religious rhetoric is empty. Religious justifications for government action are hollow arguments invoking an authority that we reject,” Seidel continued. “Politicians often use religion to pander to their base, but we find such rhetoric exclusionary and distasteful.”

President Barack Obama (Photo Credit: AP)

The letter goes on to note that, since Obama isn’t planning to run for future office, now is the time to court secular Americans, while giving them some apparently much-needed preferential treatment. The FFRF lawyer provided the president with the opportunity to “do something that no president in recent memory has done: reach out to secular Americans.” But rather than leaving the method through which Obama could do such a thing to the imagination, Seidel suggested that the president make a monumental move on January 21.

“When you stand to reaffirm your oath, do so using the language of the Founders. Eliminate the religious verbiage,” he wrote. “While you’re at it, why not place your hand on the Constitution instead of a bible?”

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The FFRF maintains that the current practices of using the Christian holy book and invoking God’s name are violations of the Constitution. However, history shows that religious themes have been very much a part of the inauguration process. Consider the following description of George Washington’s first proclamation (and the faith-themed events that characterized it):

At Federal Hall, Vice President John Adams, the Senate, and the House of Representatives awaited the President’s arrival in the Senate Chamber. After being received by Congress, Washington stepped from the chamber onto the balcony, where he was followed by the Senators and Representatives. Before the assembled crowd of spectators, Robert Livingston, Chancellor of the State of New York, administered the oath of office prescribed by the Constitution: “I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will, to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States.” After repeating this oath, Washington kissed the Bible held for him by the Chancellor, who called out, “Long live George Washington, President of the United States,” and a salvo of 13 cannons was discharged. Except for taking the oath, the law required no further inaugural ceremonies. But, upon reentering the Senate Chamber, the President read the address that is featured here. After this address, he and the members of Congress proceeded to St. Paul’s Church for divine service. A brilliant fireworks display in the evening ended the official program for this historic day.

While it is true that Washington did not use the word “God” in the oath, he kissed the Bible and a church service followed his speech. So, clearly, the FFRF’s characterization of a religious-free procession is not entirely accurate. You can read the organization’s full letter to Obama here.

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Comments (185)

Rubicon9
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:14am
We are responsible for God being taken out of everything, every time we fail to stand up for Him. He has removed His protection from the USA, and we will reap what we sow. When are we going to take a stand for Him? George Washington believed in God, and the Founding Fathers thought it reasonable to include Him in the day to day running of the Country. Who are we to tell God to get out of politics? Look what happened to Israel in the ancient times when they threw God of of their country. They were overcome by enemy nations and thrown into slavery. Their economy was ruined. Their buildings were destroyed. Chains were put on them and they were sold into slavery. Christians must stand firm and defend God. Pray without ceasing. That is not to say He cannot defend Himself, but God wants us to honor and respect him. Total destruction may be avoided if we return to God and ask for His mercy.

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- binge_thinker
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 5:35pm
  It would be nice if these atheists would recognize that the Constitution extends the same right to the millions of Americans who cherish their religious beliefs. Sadly, they insist instead on silencing religious expression at every turn, as if they and they alone are entitled to free speech.
  
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- Reality_Bites_You_on_the_Ass
  Posted on November 15, 2012 at 8:18am
  binge_drinker: No one is trying to destroy Christianity. It has no place in government of the public arena. We have, as Jefferson wrote, a wall of separation between church and state. Believe what you want. Just do not expect the government to endorse your religion without endorsing all others as well. If you wan to impose your religion on those that disagree with it, do not be shocked when someone imposes their own religion that you may disagree with, on you.
  
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- binge_thinker
  Posted on November 17, 2012 at 1:05am
  @ Stuidity bit you on the @ss
  
  Just remember, when you insult the intelligence of christians, you insult men and women who stand so far above and beyond your abilities to acheive, understand or see outside your own self interest that everything else you say, on any subject is now tainted with mediocre thought and reasoning.
  
  As the constitution says nothing of a “separation of church and state”, the “wall” spoken of by the SC comes from a Thomas Jefferson letter written 13 years after these clauses originated, yet this has been applied in the most nonsensical way imaginable.
  
  Since atheists mention logic so much (despite their constant misuse of it), can you please explain the logic of how an allegory written by Jefferson should seriously be used as an authoritative declaration in regards to the establishment cause, despite the fact that that Jefferson had nothing to do with the creation of those clauses, and his letter post-dated the Constitution by 13 years?
  I can hear the gears turning already.
  
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- Reality_Bites_You_on_the_Ass
  Posted on November 17, 2012 at 7:33am
  Bringe dumbass: you are certainly not the brightest bulb. I never said it was in the constitution. You know what else is not in the constitution: any reference to god, the creator or any other mythological beings. The treaty of Tripoly does mention Christianity and very clearly states that the USA was not found did in any sense as a Christian nation. And for the record, atheists are not a very small minority. Try 20% of voters this past election. That’s right, the election that continues to make you guys an national embarrassment. By the way, there are certainly more atheists than there are tea baggers.
  
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Chromo200
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 9:58am
Why use the Constitution ,, He does not believe in it anyway. Why take a oath he lies about everything anyway so by not taking an oath he will not be held accountable..

Also to make the atheists happy and if Obama has b@lls he can stand on the podium and say there is no God and religion of any kind is to keep the masses ignorant.

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- chucksue351
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:05am
  he could put his right hand on his own shoulder to show the country that he thinks he is elohim (god)
  
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ares338
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 9:53am
Are all atheists angry little people. I’m not a religious person but I have no problem with God being in anything. Atheists are all perpetually disgruntled with life. Get a grip.

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- AMickey1126
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:08am
  I know what you mean. Before I found religion, I was an agnostic. And I never understood why the Atheists were so mad and angry. When people would tell me that they’d pray for me, I felt honored that they would even take the time to do something like that for me. Having “In God We Trust” on currency didn’t bother me at all. Those words are a part of America’s history. I don’t see the point in “changing” history.
  
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- HUGGINGMYBABIES
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:30am
  How would you feel if you believed your sole existence was a freaking happenstance, the mere coincidence of egg being in the right place at the wrong time? I think I’d be a little jaded if that was what I built my life upon. The fact that many of us believe we were created well before our conception gives us the joy and happiness that connects us to the Earth, to each other and to God. Is connection shows in our faces and our lives and in the way we treat others.
  
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- The_Cabrito_Goat
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:10am
  This FFRF is PERENNIALLY in the middle of controversy. They enjoy the combat of political discourse. But most people, like myself, are too thin-skinned for such heated quarrel.
  
  Does it take a sort of hot-blooded person to be an atheist? I think the answer is yes. They love to throw themselves into this political whirlwind.
  
  Although, if you ask me, there’s something to admire about such bullheaded aggression in idealogy.
  
  But I prefer low-key conversations, to be weighed in thoughtfully with quiet study and respctful consideration, something I have not been a witness to with atheists on this particular website.
  
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- Individualism
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:58am
  there are authoritarian nutjobs in all cults.
  
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Disabledvet
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 9:46am
Tell the truth, Obombanation wants to use the Koran

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- searcher619
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 9:55am
  Actually if you have been paying ANY attention to Obama and his life you’d know the man isn’t Christian nor is he Muslim. You only look more of a fool when you make comments like yours.
  
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- momrules
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:09am
  Well Searcher619, I also believe that he is a Muslim and I have been paying very close attention to Obama since I first heard about him in 2007. You are welcome to your opinion but to call DisabledVet a fool for his opinion is, in my opinion, quite foolish.
  
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- greatgrandma
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:45am
  I’ve heard him say he is a christian, I also heard him say he was born in Kenya
  
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- DontStopBelieving
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:46am
  I’m with disabledvet, call me a fool but, HUSSEIN is a muslim, no doubt in my mind.
  
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termyt
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 9:38am
Whether he places his hand on the Bible or the Constitution, it should burst into flames when it makes contact with it. He has pledged to support both and has supported neither.

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- Trigus
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 9:44am
  Sadly American History is no longer taught in schools. We would not be here today commenting on the removal of God or the Bible from this country.
  
  “Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments.”
  Charles Carroll, signer of the Declaration of Independence
  
  “It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.”
  Patrick Henry
  
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HUGGINGMYBABIES
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 9:35am
Are you a lame duck?

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Cavallo
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 9:35am
How do you know if Siva is happy?

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momrules
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 9:33am
2012 was a Romans 1 election.

http://godfatherpolitics.com/7963/2012-was-a-romans-1-election/

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- Blitz
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:27am
  Outstanding Mom, outstanding .
  
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- louise
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:37am
  Momrules,
  Thanks for the link. This is a great articleand I hope everyone reads it. Notice how in those verses the phrase “God gave them over” is mentioned 3 times. Some Bibles say “God turned them over”.
  The number 3 in scripture denotes completeness, perfect or perfectly.
  God “turned them over” to completion.
  
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- 65Mustang
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:52am
  Obama voters got what they wanted, now deal with it Godless losers….loved the link.
  
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- Zwolle
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 12:19pm
  Thanks for the link! Interesting.
  
  Z
  
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- smv803
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 2:52pm
  Agreed. I wish more people would embrace the Bible.
  
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- ProudInfidelToo
  Posted on November 15, 2012 at 12:18am
  I read something that made a lot of sense. In order to fulfill prophecy, Obama had to win this election because at Armageddon, Israel has to stand with just God on her side. This election set the stage for that. Romney is pro-Israel so he couldn’t be the one to win. Even if there are other elections in the future, Democrats will win from here on out.
  
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HUGGINGMYBABIES
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 9:33am
I love this Nation like I love a child, but there comes a time when enough is enough. The further from Judaeo Christian values we get the more I think we should pull all God references from our government, money and laws. Why fake it? We’re being governed by immoral corrupt politicians and we don’t deserve to invoke the name of God. We worship at the alter of entitlements, we give alms to the worst of humankind (politicians) and we scream at God when those idiots can’t give us everything we desire. We’re getting EXACTLY what we deserve. Swear him in on a stack of freaking Hostess Ding Dongs…..it’s closer to our matser than the bible is.

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- searcher619
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 9:37am
  This is still a nation of religious people. Many different faiths but you can’t deny the fact that this nation was founded by Christians and built around christian values. Even you yourself may not be religious BUT you share many of their values. that is part of our culture. I am getting sooo tired of people like you trying so hard to deny this fact.
  
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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:09am
  What kind of Christian values are those?
  
  Slavery?
  
  Treating women like second class citizens?
  
  Yup, sounds like religious values to me.
  
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- HUGGINGMYBABIES
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:16am
  Ah, but you misread my intentions. I am a Christian and I know full well what values this nation was founded on. Even those framers who proclaimed to be agnostic knew that our rights could only be granted by a higher being. They had a better grip on what today might look like so they framed our freedoms from a higher source, vs our rights from other men. What I was saying is that we now believe and vote that all our rights come from a man….and as many a godless nation has discovered the hard way….following men always leads to disaster. What I dislike is a nation who worships what a man can give them, and still espouses what that it comes from God in print and oath. I dislike my savior being commingled with the Leftist savior. I say replace God in oath and constitution with Obama Ns see what folks think…..let them see and hear for themselves what they really said with that vote.
  
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- 4truth2all
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 12:52pm
  Yo Mod;
  
  And there you go again … a husband is to treat his wife as Christ treats the church. He is to give himself up in behalf of her and he does this out of LOVE.
  
  I am amazed at how wrong you are about your “understanding” of scripture … and yet when corrected you refuse it.
  
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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:34pm
  @4TRUTH2ALL
  
  Yes, that’s what happened in the US here for the first 170 years.
  
  The only reason why we are at where we are now is because religion has been dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century.
  
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- 4truth2all
  Posted on November 15, 2012 at 12:56pm
  Yo Mod:
  
  Call me stupid … but I have no idea what your responce to my post means …
  
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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on November 15, 2012 at 9:20pm
  @4TRUTH2ALL
  
  Isn’t it obvious.
  
  Your book says one thing.
  
  You say another thing.
  
  Yet the religion acts a different way.
  
  Example
  
  “The Bible is against slavery!”
  “All of the founders were Christians!”
  “Oh, forget that the supposed Christians owned slaves”
  
  “The Bible is for treating women equally!”
  “America was founded on Judeo Christian principles”
  “Oh, ignore that women weren’t allowed to vote and were treated like second class citizens. That’s not how REAL Christians act.”
  
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HUGGINGMYBABIES
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 9:26am
Dawkins is a tool. He’s a capitalist fool hiding behind his typewriter. I have a lot of friends in the hospice industry…..there is nothing more horrible to watch than a godless death. I am a believer. I know I’m not wrong in following a higher being. What is the worst that can happen to me if I’m wrong (which I don’t believe I am)? I have some postmortem disappointment I won’t even be aware of, right? BUT If I’m right……. :)

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- desertspeaks
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 9:33am
  I DARE obama to change the oath of office! That will be an error that he can’t come back from! HIGH CRIME! impeachable offence!
  
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- Cavallo
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 9:36am
  Why not? Isn’t the official religion of communist countries atheism?
  
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- Trigus
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 9:38am
  People forget so easy about God, yet this country was founded under God:
  
  “We have forgotten God. We have forgotten the gracious hand which preserved us in peace and multiplied and enriched and strengthened us, and we have vainly imagined, in the deceitfulness of our hearts, that all these blessings were produced by some superior wisdom and virtue of our own. Intoxicated with unbroken success, we have become too self-sufficient to feel the necessity of redeeming and preserving grace, too proud to pray to the God that made us.”
  Abraham Lincoln’s 1863 Thanksgiving Proclamation
  
  “It is when people forget God that tyrants forge their chains.”
  Patrick Henry
  
  “I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth–that God Governs the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid?”
  Benjamin Franklin
  
  “He therefore is the truest friend to the liberty of this country who tries most to promote its virtue, and who, so far as his power and influence extend, will not suffer a man to be chosen into any office of power and trust who is not a wise and virtuous man….The sum of all is, if we would most truly enjoy this gift of Heaven, let us become a virtuous people.”
  Samuel Adams
  
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- Reality_Bites_You_on_the_Ass
  Posted on November 15, 2012 at 2:37pm
  DESERT: But it already WAS changed. It did not have any reference to god as it was written by the founding fathers. I guess change is only acceptable if it incorporates your fairy tales, founders be damned.
  
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searcher619
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 9:23am
It’s pathetic how Atheists don’t get that they are a very small minority and that they are guilty of what they keep accusing theists of. I get into arguments with Atheists a lot over their belief and their constant show of disrespect while demanding respect. l also I love to point out that in spite of their claim to be so against religion that their own views qualify as a religion as well. They claim to know something they have no possible way of knowing. So in other words their belief in the non-existence of God or anything else of a non-physical/spiritual nature is 100% based on faith. I always challenge them to show me of a way to test for the existence of a being who is supposed to exist outside our physical universe. There is non. The fact that they demand religious people to PROVE to them their god exists only further demonstrates their ignorance. If they could prove God, angels, and so on existed it wouldn’t be a religion. All religions are based on faith. Just like their Atheism is. I laugh when they assume I am religious simply because I tend to defend religion. I tell them I am an Agnostic and they usually try to say we share the same view. I love to point out the very important difference between us Agnostics and Atheists. We don’t claim to know if god exists or doesn’t exist. We feel that is beyond our ability to know either way. Claiming to poses knowledge you have no way of really having is not knowing.

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- Reality_Bites_You_on_the_Ass
  Posted on November 15, 2012 at 2:54pm
  Atheism is a religion like OFF is a TV channel.
  
  - like bald is a **** color.
  - like abstinence is a sex position.
  - like not collecting stamps is a hobby.
  
  Atheism and agnosticism are not mutually exclusive. Agnosticism addresses knowledge. Atheism addresses belief. The agnostic says, “I don’t have knowledge that god exists.” The atheist says, “I don’t have a belief that God exists.” You can say both things at the same time. Some agnostics are atheistic and some theistic.
  
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- binge_thinker
  Posted on November 17, 2012 at 1:21am
  Atheism Is a Religion
  
  http://reason.com/archives/2012/03/10/atheism-is-a-religion
  
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Tigress1
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 9:22am
“For secular America, religious rhetoric is empty.”

Well, nothingness IS empty. What do they expect?

“While you’re at it, why not place your hand on the Constitution instead of a bible?”

Good suggestion, however, instead of either/or, how about both – the Constitution AND the Bible?

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- Cavallo
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 9:37am
  It would burn him like acid.
  
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- Pontiaku
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:07am
  Why not both? Because the bible conflicts with the constitution, that’s why.
  
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- Zwolle
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 12:09pm
  How does it conflict with the constitution?
  
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- Pontiaku
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 1:10pm
  Bible: Thou Shalt Have No Other Gods Beside Me.
  Bible: Thou Shalt Not Worship Any Graven Images
  Constitution: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
  prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
  
  Bible:Thou Shalt Not Take the Name of the Lord Thy God in Vain
  Constitution: or abridging the freedom of speech.
  
  It is quite obvious the bible was created to stifle freedom and to protect the vanity of an imaginary god. The conflict with the constitution should be abundantly clear.
  
  http://atheism.about.com/od/tencommandments/a/americanlaw_2.htm
  
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progressiveslayer
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 9:17am
The ‘ONE’ will probably use the Koran when he takes the oath that he’s violated from day one and proclaim himself dictator for life and millions would cheer the worthless Marxist bastard.

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- let us prey
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:06am
  Proof positive that our carcasses are with nothing to these beasts.
  
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Banter
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 9:17am
Just replace God with obama and the Bible with “rules for radicals.”

This is what they really want. The lib looters need God removed so they feel better about worshipping their true god, the state.

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rollthebones
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 9:16am
As an atheist and a young person, I am REALLY tired of other atheist telling everybody what “WE” think, believe and feel.
I am tired of these people that say atheist and the word we. There is no WE. STFU.

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- searcher619
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 9:30am
  These Atheists are nothing more than fascists. Anyone who believes differently than they do MUST be stupid and not worthy of the same level of respect they are demanding for themselves. It’s pathetic. they forget our nation is made up of people of many different faiths. They also forget that Atheism, which is a religion of sorts as well, is a very small minority.
  
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- endthemindlessspending
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 9:30am
  I am a Christian and I agree with your stance on the ‘WE’ front. I hate it when you get these Groups that think they speak for everyone in their area of faith or non faith. Yes, we have some consistent beliefs in each group but in both of our ways of life there are many different variations to it. For them to say they are speaking for everyone is very frustrating.
  
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- Cavallo
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 9:51am
  Evangelical proselytizing atheists. More so that they are not really atheists as anti-theists. Their entire belief system is less about what they believe and more about preventing others from practicing or professing their own beliefs. They are bigots of the first order, and are likely Statists looking to undermine what Marx called the opiate of the masses to promote their true deity worship of the State.
  
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- rollthebones
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:23am
  I will stop using the word atheist to describe myself. The meaning of this word has become more than its simple definition.
  For a long time I have felt that some activists use the word atheism to pander for their cause.
  ALL rhetoric is empty. It all sounds fine but it is insincere, pretentios, empty language. This IS the defintion of the word rhetoric.
  It seems to be that the only rhetoric that is bad is the rhetoric that any particular group disagrees with.
  But pander to our group and that is fine.
  “It is the 30-and-unders who are our greatest supporters and are the future of this country.”
  That quotes from the FFRF letter to Obama leaves no doubt in my mind of this.
  I personally think that if Obama is the Chrisitan that he says he is and wants to take HIS oath with HIS hand on the Bible, then he should be free to have that choice.
  I am not the one up there making the oath, I should not decide how this person chooses to make their promises and I wont.
  
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- The_Cabrito_Goat
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:18am
  Rollethebones, you sound very reasonable to me. And you’re right, you DON’T want to be compared to a person like Richard Dawkins, who thinks it is innapropriate for any elected official to be openly religious. (Freedom of conscience much?) He does not strike me as very reasonable.
  
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- Old Ogre
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:28am
  We non-atheists do not say “we” when we point out YOU or you’re faults;
  “We” would imply that “we” are atheist too!! Oh, AtheISM is every bit as much a religion as any other religion. You preach just as loudly as any other religion, you are every bit as smug in your convictions that you are right as any other religion. You worship the anti-god just as reverently as those who worship a God.
  The only discernible difference I can find between the two is that those who worship a God tend to say “we” more and include a group for mutual benefit. Those who worship the anti-god tend to say I for their own benefit… Yet they form groups and clubs to further their agenda and indoctrinate and convert new members! How odd! That sounds like a form of self-worship to me!
  Now to help your young little mind relax, I will point you to your non-church so you may go and pray to the anti-gods.
  http://www.kidswithoutgod.com/
  Just remember there is no such thing as being a true individual; We all get our ideas from someone or somewhere, you are not born intelligent or anything else, you choose your life and how to live it, free will was a gift from God!
  
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- rollthebones
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 12:58pm
  My little mind is relaxed at the moment.
  I was not born intelligent. I do not know what I knew when I was born. But on occasion I am sensible and rational. I am able to think and am capable of understanding.
  I have no interest in this kidswithoutgod website though. What people do with their children is none of my business as long as it is not illegal or causing them injury.
  I do not see how I have preached. If I have it was not my intention. I am a bit smug. But I do not really have many firmly held beliefs. Opinions, yes. No doubt I have faults. I do not mind if you point them out.
  If by worship you mean to love somebody deeply, excessively or unquestionably, yeah I do that sometimes.
  I will choose a path that’s clear-
  I will choose Free Will. (love that song)
  If you choose to believe that is a gift from God, then believe that all you want.
  
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- aaallrightythen
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 7:58pm
  You seem somewhat sensible, individualistic and tolerant; rare in an atheist. If atheists will leave the visual and audio things of the faithful alone (crosses, 10 commandments on a wall, the name of GOD in the pledge, etc.) then I will never complain about the atheist icons (blank walls and silence). Not that I complain about either now.
  
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- rollthebones
  Posted on November 17, 2012 at 11:18am
  aaallrightythen,
  Well, thank you. I try and somewhat is a word I like.
  I am sorry to tell you that the “nones” will not leave the things of the faithful alone.
  And does anyone else find it funny that the “freedom from religion” people choose a word with a meaning that has something to do with the Roman Catholic Church? LMAO… look up ‘nones’
  
  I do not have any icons or mind them although I do like silence. Your bible makes some good points about silence. Blank walls are boring though.
  
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kaydeebeau
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 9:15am
Why bother to swear an oath at all on anything ? Exactly what is an oath for – (hint an understanding of Hebrew will help you in the study for origianl intent)

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supersaint71241
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 9:15am
Given how much they’ve already trampled on the rights of individual Americans over the past four years, they might as well swear on a box of ******* Jacks, it would mean just as much to them…

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momrules
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 9:15am
One group of people that Obama has absolutely no interest in protecting or serving are people who love God and His Son.
I would not doubt that he would be more than happy to replace the Bible with the koran, his holy book of choice.

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- Zipit
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 9:27am
  Dear MOM! Allow me to pray for a Nor’easter engulfing DC on Jan. 21st!
  
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- 4truth2all
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 9:50am
  He would not replace the bible …he still wants those poor misguided “christians” on his side, but I could definitely see him include it.
  
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- Cavallo
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 9:56am
  How about a very large meteor?
  
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- anothercomment
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:02am
  @Momrules
  I must continually remind myself that YES, GOD IS IN CONTROL. Watching our lives as Americans (who care deeply) manipulated by the Obama Gang, I question how God is using Obama to reach us. Is his corruption the ‘wake-up’ call for our nation? ARE we actually being charged to revolt? Or is this our call to learn to negotiate within the system? I worry for the life I will be forced to live under the Obama gang and I worry even more about my child who has been so diligent and frugal with investments , savings and planning for retirement, only to have this crook to wipe it out with a hand-out ink pen and hastily drafted E.O.’s. How long does Obama believe the American people will tolerate his personal vendetta against the US? And how severely will the repercussions become under this sociopath?
  I do not want our older children to become revolutionary soldiers and our younger children to become victims.
  I believe working within the system to affect change, but when the entire system appears to be broken, sick and corrupt, how long to we work to repair this system? And will we have the support of our representatives?
  
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- momrules
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:27am
  Anothercomment………..I replied to you but it was posted on page 2.
  
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- 4truth2all
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 1:45pm
  Yo Anothercomment:
  
  I hope you do not mind if I address your concerns …
  Scripture…
  TRUST in the Lord … worry indicates a lack of trust. I understand that is a direct statement, but it is absolutely true. ( BE A SPARROW)
  God disciplines those he loves … and God works out ALL things to the good of those that love Him. So, WHATEVER happens it is to your ETERNAL benifit.
  Jesus suffered and found joy in the suffering … AMAZING
  If God would take your finances … apply above verses
  I came to financial ruin due to a failed business partnership … It was to my spiritual benifit
  In what do you place your value …. REALLY …. WE ARE GOING TO BE TESTED … many will fall away and not pass this comming testing. This will be world wide.
  Give to Ceaser what is Ceasers … God DOES NOT call us to arms againt our own government!
  Jesus said … If My kingdom was of this world my disciples would fight.
  You do have a God given right to protect yourself.
  Those who live by the sword, die by the sword.
  Do you believe the believers in muslims nations have the backing of THEIR government ?
  Jesus is going to return to a bride ready for a wedding feast … let Him make you pretty
  
  I could have given exact bible verses and many,many more examples. What I did give is ALL scriptural. I hope that I have been of some
  
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biohazard23
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 9:14am
Seeing as the only thing he worships is himself, I doubt he would have much of a problem with this. Substitute God with his own name and the Bible with one of his composite “autobiographies” and you’ve got yourself a winner….

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Arc
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 9:13am
36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals al

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Cabo King
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 9:13am
the bible clashes with the Koran, Obummer is confused

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Arc
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 9:09am
5 Communist Goals (are there any that haven’t been achieved?)
http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm ^ | January 10, 1963
Posted on Sun Apr 18 2010 05:05:51 GMT-0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) by ETL

Congressional Record–Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963

Current Communist Goals [1963]:

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev’s promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.

9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed for

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- anothercomment
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 9:35am
  I keep a copy of this 1963 manifesto on my desktop and refer it to every time I see another E.O., a law rammed through the house and every questionable decision the Obama gang makes a decision regarding the US (allowing United Nations to directly tax the American people to redistribute globally). You can see the basis of these decisions outlined in the 1963 points listed in this manifesto.
  The very sad issue is I have family members who are so wrapped up in this, ideology they will only drive Volkswagens to prove their support (?) of this tripe, regardless of who they alienate. The contradiction: they feel they are truly devout Baptist…living in Texas.
  This is one source of my rebellion at an early age.
  
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Arc
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 9:07am
45 Communist Goals (are there any that haven’t been achieved?)
http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm ^ | January 10, 1963
Posted on Sun Apr 18 2010 05:05:51 GMT-0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) by ETL

Congressional Record–Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963

Current Communist Goals [1963]:

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.
2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.
3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.
4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.
6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.
7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.
8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev’s promise in 1955 tosettle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.
9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.
10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.
11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist

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BlackCrow
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 9:05am
He can swear his oath on a copy of Das Kapital while facing Meca.

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EveF.Destruction
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 8:59am
If you want to take out empty rhetoric, take out the part about protecting and defending the Constitution.

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- iac
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 9:09am
  Ditto that E.D !
  
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- let us prey
  Posted on November 14, 2012 at 9:15am
  They sure do try to control everything. They use atheism as a belief system and then deny it. Lol, They worship at the feet of Dawkins.
  
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