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Israeli Victim Was 25-Year-Old Pregnant Woman About to Attend Memorial Service for Friends Killed in 2008 Terror Attack

Nov. 15, 2012 10:17am
Israeli Victim Was 25 Year Old Mother on Way to Mumbai Terror Attack Memorial Service

View from inside Kiryat Malachi house that was hit by Grad rocket Thursday (Screen shot from Arutz 7)

Jewish religious leaders identified the three Israelis killed Thursday morning when a Grad rocket launched by a terrorist group in Gaza slammed into their apartment building in Kiryat Malachi. Tragically, one of those killed was a 25-year-old pregnant mother of three planning to attend a memorial service for friends killed in a notorious terrorist attack in Mumbai, India in 2008.

According to the international Jewish organization Chabad Lubavitch, the two men and woman were identified as Ahron Smadga, Yitzchak Amselam, and the pregnant woman, Mirah (nee Cohen) Scharf.

Israeli Victim Was 25 Year Old Mother on Way to Mumbai Terror Attack Memorial Service

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In fact, like the two Chabad emissaries killed in Mumbai in 2008, Scharf was involved in Jewish community outreach in India. Israeli political consultant Jonny Daniels tells TheBlaze that a leader of the Chabad Lubavitch movement for which she worked told him that Scharf returned to Israel to give birth because of the high level of medical care in Israel.

Chillingly, the memorial service for the Mumbai victims, Rabbi Gavriel Holtzberg and his wife Rivka, was planned for Thursday. According to the Hebrew calendar, they were killed on the first day of the Jewish month of Kislev, which is today, the same day 25-year-old Scharf was killed.

The Algemeiner reports she was the mother of three young children:

A second victim named Ahron Smadga said to be in his late forties was the father of the 8 month old baby girl who was injured.

“He was married for 20 years and couldn’t have children then he had twin boys nine years ago, and 8 months ago his daughter was born and he was walking around with a smile on his face that he had a daughter after all this years,” [Jonny] Daniels told The Algemeiner.

“He was one of the first Chabad soldiers to join the Israeli Army,” he said.

The third victim was 22 year old Yitzchak Amselam. The funeral is planned for later today.

Algemeiner further quotes an Israeli Chabad website saying: “the entire community is devastated from the tragedy.”

An Israeli Army radio correspondent said at least one of the victims was standing on the balcony watching the rocket launches from the direction of Gaza, but the Chabad website dismisses that contention, writing:

“The shelters in Kiryat Malachi were not readied for the onslaught, and the residents of the building that was hit were running to relative safety under the stairwell of the building, when a missile hit, taking precious lives and injuring the others,” writes Shrurem.org

Kiryat Malachi means “City of Angels” in English. It is a relatively low-income city of 21,000 about 11 miles from Ashkelon in southern Israel.

Here is video taken by an Arutz 7 correspondent showing the extensive damage inside the building in which the three were killed:

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Comments (81)

  • Joe_2112
    Posted on November 15, 2012 at 10:08pm

    Oh, by the way. It’s simply amazing how quickly The Blaze and the Israeli media were able to fact check, and put this very sad, and touching story together in such a short amount of time, and it even included photo’s. it’s almost as if someone knew in advance who the victims might be? Nah, that would be…..

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    • upeopleneedtogetalife
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 11:22pm

      I don’t believe I’ve ever seen the Blaze or the US Media personalize the murder and slaughter of Palestinian women or children in such a manner.. What are they cattle? Expendables? Mere statistics?

      I believe fat ass pathetic Glenn Beck buys and eats these murdered Palestinian children. We all know that the IDF harvests their organs and we all know how the Rabbis in NJ traffic in human body parts right? Probably those of murdered children in the ME…

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  • Joe_2112
    Posted on November 15, 2012 at 9:51pm

    Note to The BLAZE. Your pro Zionist/Neocon agenda is REALLY shining through today. The desperate propaganda has become almost unbearable.

    Let me get this straight. A pregnant woman who was on her way to a memorial to honor the memory a close friend who just happened to COINCIDENTLY ALSO be murdered by those bad, evil terrorists, ended up being a murder victim of “terrorists” herself.

    Wow, that’s a tough one to swallow. If this woman was in fact killed by a bomb or missile, my first first question would be,…Has anybody investigated the Israeli Government? Seeing how they have a tried and true, exposed history of perpetrating False Flag attacks against their own, all in the name of Power Grabs, and Defense Industry profits.

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  • universalphilos
    Posted on November 15, 2012 at 2:18pm

    What can we do?
    Perhaps we can learn from prophetic guidance, February 7, 1976: “We say unto you, our Father should shed tears to see His children die.
    Yet, we say unto you…as Jonah did come unto the people and say, “Change unto your ways” and so it was done, and the destruction of the land did not follow….
    ” But warfare is not a natural balance, even though in some eyes it would be, a control of the species. Warfare comes from within man. We say unto you, link your hearts and your minds together that a peaceful solution might be rendered, and a just reward unto all.”
    https://docs.google.com/open?id=0BzyT3fgGxb4-Mnp5THVvU0tNMFU

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  • Individualism
    Posted on November 15, 2012 at 12:43pm

    old news

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  • schroeder123
    Posted on November 15, 2012 at 11:20am

    How many time will you put up with a person poking you with a needle, until you smack the crap out of them? One time for me.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 11:34am

      That’s exactly the Palestinian argument. Problem is, they don’t have a world power giving them billions of dollars and F-16′s.

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    • tzion
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 11:55am

      @Jerk
      Actually, the Palestinian approach is “How many times can I get away with murdering civilians?” Case in point right here. Israel kills a militant leader in a targeted precision strike and Hamas bombards residential areas until they finally succeed in killing three people, including a pregnant women. If Hamas wasn’t aiming to kill civilians they would be blowing up security checkpoints and attacking military bases like anybody else. Strangely, they rarely, if ever, use such tactics.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 12:07pm

      TZion, not sure what your logic is, or in what direction that you are going. Fact is, far more Palestinian women and children have been killed by Israelis, using American weapons, than the reverse. So, start there and try again.

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    • Hanner
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 12:10pm

      Gen 16 v12 He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone’s hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers.”

      Palestinians and Arabs = children of a concubine’s son (Ishmael)

      Jews = children of the rightful heir of Abraham. (Isaac)

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 12:21pm

      Hanner, and let’s remember who wrote that history. It was Jews = children of the rightful heir of Abraham. (Isaac).

      That’s why we needed a New Testament. Just read John chapter 8.

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 12:27pm

      NAVIN, May I suggest that you voluntarily go to Palestine and teach them how to use some F16s? Then again, I bet that you would receive a second smile beneath your chin for such an effort.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 12:35pm

      RJJinGadsden, when you can not argue the facts, obfuscate. How progressive!

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    • tzion
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 12:47pm

      @Jerk
      Facts are that whenever you engage an enemy in an urban environment there will be civilian casualties. The reason Israel has so few casualties is the same as why more German civilians dies at the hands of US soldiers in WWII than the other way around: the fighting usually takes place in Palestinian neighborhoods (same could be said of every recent US war). Israel, to protect its civilians, makes sure to avoid engaging Hamas and others in places like Tel Aviv. In contrast, Hamas isn’t concerned with the safety of its civilians since any deaths can be used for propaganda purposes just as you are right now. To this end, Hamas does all it can to provoke Israel it engaging them in densely populated Palestinian cities and towns, which Israel begrudgingly does. After all, why else would Israel be dropping leaflets warning civilians to distance themselves from Hamas if not to avoid civilian casualties.

      Personally Jerk, I’m waiting for you to put the number of Palestinians killed in context by comparing that number to those of other countries. For example, your own source puts Palestinian deaths over a 12 year period at 6,568. Meanwhile, the Syrian civil war, over a period of less than two years, has seen over five times more people killed with estimates for civilians varying from 35,000 to 40,000. And by the way, that includes hundreds of Palestinian civilians.

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    • Hanner
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 1:00pm

      Jerk– You realize that Jews wrote NT epistles also? I believe fully in the OT and the NT. There is just too much evidence to not believe them. With that said, I also stated on another story on The Blaze that the carnal bloodlines of Abraham are obsolete since the birth of the NT. In Gal 3 v29– Paul makes it clear that we who are Christs are the true seed of Abraham and heirs. We are Jews spiritually in God’s eyes, and born again believers are the promised seed. I know you throw bombs and get people stirred up with the things you say, but I actually look deeper at “what” you say, and I did re-read John 8. I will say this, the Jews have done a lot of bad things, but so have many other people that are not born again. I don’t follow anyone or anything blindly, I will look at the things you post and judge for myself.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 1:17pm

      TZion, perhaps you’ve missed the underlying theme of my arguments against America’s unconditional support for the aggressive and belligerent nation of Israel. You’ve mentioned Syria and other countries. So, here it is.

      I don’t care about those other hostile, base, primitive, warring, nations either. I care only about America and Americans. We shouldn’t be involved in any of them. Israel is their equal.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 1:23pm

      Hanner: “Jerk– You realize that Jews wrote NT epistles also? I believe fully in the OT and the NT.”

      Don’t care who wrote what. Fact is, if the Old Testament was the word of God, there would be no need for a New. God wouldn’t revise his own words.

      Fact is, the Old testament is a secular history of the Hebrew people. It’s about gold, silver, precious gems, killing, power and land grabbing through war. The New Testament changed that flawed belief. The New Testament made us all the chosen people. Jews didn’t like that change.

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    • tzion
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 1:41pm

      @Jerk
      If that was the theme of your arguments, your doing a terrible job demonstrating it. Your argument isn’t that America shouldn’t fund Israel, your argument is that the US should treat Israel as a hostile enemy nation. Personally, as much as I want to see Israel get as much funding as possible, I don’t trust our government enough for me to turn to them for funding. Our government is far too corrupt and opportunistic. They are more likely to try and influence Israeli internal policy than to just offer support. I’m in favor of private, preferably anonymous, donations by individuals and private corporations over government foreign aid.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 1:52pm

      TZion, perhaps we’ve found the flaw. Here’s your posting: “If that was the theme of your arguments, your doing a terrible job demonstrating it. Your argument isn’t that America shouldn’t fund Israel, your argument is that the US should treat Israel as a hostile enemy nation.”

      Here is what I believe: “My argument is that the US should treat Israel as a hostile nation.” Though no nation spies on America more than Israel, I do not consider Israel our enemy, as you have stated. I consider Israel to be as hostile, belligerent, and inhumane as most of the other Middle East nations.

      My point is that we should not be picking sides. My conclusion is consistent with those who were in our State Department when Truman made his selfish, fateful, decision to back Israel. History has proven us to be correct.

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    • tzion
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 2:17pm

      @Jerk
      The first country to recognize Israel as an independent state was Russia, not the US. Truman did chose to recognize Israel but provided no assistance to them. Israel was on its own and Truman stayed out of it. He didn’t chose sides, he merely gave both sides recognition. The problem was the Arabs didn’t acknowledge that their was any side other than their own.

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    • Hanner
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 2:19pm

      The OT is God’s word just the same as the NT. The OT is full of history, but it is more than that. The OT shows us how God will build up a Nation that will obey him, and how he will destroy that Nation if it turns away from him. Israel was used by God as an example of blessings for obedience, and destruction for disobedience. The example of Israel is to show us all that a Savior was needed, because carnal man COULD NOT obey God. The Israelites was that example. Since Jesus showed up and ushered in the age of the Spirit, we that accept Christ now have the power to obey the moral and ethical teachings from the OT. Jesus taught his lessons out of the OT. He gave the Spiritual understanding of those teachings. Only those that accept Christ are the seed of Abraham.

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    • Hanner
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 2:21pm

      The promises given to Abraham were Spiritual promises. The Apostle Paul explains that in the NT.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 2:24pm

      TZion, fact is, the Jews didn’t acknowledge that there was any side other than their own. From the White Paper forward.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 2:26pm

      Hanner, very convoluted.

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    • tzion
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 2:31pm

      @Jerk
      Many in this country would disagree with your views. And while you are entitled to your views, you do not limit yourself to expressing them but proceed to misrepresent the issues, the facts, and the motives of all involved. Just yesterday, when Israel RESPONDED to Hamas’ provocation, you spoke of as though Israel had fired the first shot. Time and again when I present facts that contradict yours you ignore them and either attack me or go off on a tangent and dodge the issue. Occasionally you try and twist the facts to fit your argument instead.

      Moreover, if your goal is only to not interfere as far as Israel is concerned, then I have to wonder why it is you spend so much time bashing Jews in general. If your not taking sides why do you compare Zionism to Nazism? If you see Nazism as evil, why do you often make excuses for them and try to say they were provoked? But most importantly, why do you feel the need to spout lies, hate speech, and propaganda to prove your point if, as you claim, it is a reasonable position.

      Sorry Jerk, but I’m not buying it. Your description of yourself directly contradicts the views you have expressed and argued. The answer is simple: you hate Jews. Just look at how you described the OT on this very page. That’s all the proof you need.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 2:36pm

      TZion, for the record, “Many in this country would disagree with your views.” And, if given an unbiased press that stopped pushing pro-Israel propaganda, many, many, more would.

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    • Hanner
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 3:41pm

      Jerk – You don’t understand the Bible, that is why you won’t understand what I’m saying. I won’t go any further because you don’t understand the carnal things of the bible much less the spiritual.

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    • tzion
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 4:07pm

      @Jerk
      “TZion, fact is, the Jews didn’t acknowledge that there was any side other than their own. From the White Paper forward.”

      False. Completely false. The Jewish Zionists that you are so fond of attacking, having been promised a home in Palestine, watched as 70% of Palestine was closed off to them and were still willing to settle for 50% of what was left while the Arabs were unsatisfied with the arrangement. And not just the so-called Palestinians either. Iraqis, Syrians, and Egyptians actually went to war to keep Israel from getting 15% of the original mandate. All Arab countries declared embargoes on any company that sold to Israel. Syria spent 19 years shelling the Galilee until Israel captured the Golan in 67. The PLO was founded in 1964 with the intention of destroying Israel. Nasser was preparing a war of extermination when Israel attacked in 1967. Israel has always offered peace and accepted it when it was offered to them. If Israel is as belligerent as you say, why is it they have never broken a peace treaty?

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  • Cavallo
    Posted on November 15, 2012 at 10:49am

    Didn’t have these problems when Israel used to run and occupy it. I think the only solution for Israel might be to invade, and ship the population off to Egypt. Destroy all the buildings and leave it empty as a buffer zone between Egypt and Israel. Salt the ground and hamstring the horses.

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    • CatB
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 11:01am

      It was crazy when they were told to give up the Gaza strip…must have been incredible pressure ..I could not believe it when they agreed Said at the time it was going to end badly. Yes they needed that buffer .. I doubt now that it is enough .. to many well armed enemies.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 2:37pm

      For some reason, this blog is permitting these statements to go unchallenged.

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  • momrules
    Posted on November 15, 2012 at 10:38am

    To the liberal, Godless mind this young woman’s death is justified because Israel dared to defend itself against hundreds of rocket attacks from Gaza.

    God bless Israel. God bless and guide Israel’s leader and her citizens.

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    • marybethelizabeth
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 10:49am

      The Israeli people want to make Peace with their neighbors.
      Electing right wing military leaders to political office is an impediment to peace.
      As a young man Benjamin Netanyahu led assault raids into neighboring countries.
      Old habits die hard.

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    • momrules
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 10:56am

      Mention a Godless liberal and your ears perked up. Right MaryBeth?

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    • CatB
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 11:03am

      You got it exactly correct MOM … especially the “Godless liberal”

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    • Comcast3
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 11:06am

      MARYBETHELIZABETH….you are stuck-on-stupid. Israel has tried peace and have given up land. What did they get in return….more rockets. Liberal leaders would side with the very people who are trying to kill them all….like, obama (indirectly).

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 11:11am

      BARYMETHELIZABETH, Oh, what a simplified view. You and THE_JERK taking up the same skewed talking points in your hatred of all things Israeli and Jewish? Yeah yeah, I’ve heard it before, some of your best friends are Jewish, right?
      Tell us and yourself in particular how you perceive that Bibi Netenyahu took arms and made self styled raids? Do you have any idea that the military chain of command had anything to do with sending he an others on those raids. But, you would attempt to delude us into thinking that he just did it on his own? Guess Bibi ordered July 4, 1976 raid in Uganda where his older brother Yani Netanyahu was killed while fighting German Bader-Meinhoff terrorists and Idi Amin Dada’s soldiers to recover Israeli hostages?
      Tell us please, just what occupies that space between your ears. Surely it is not gray matter.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 11:41am

      RJJinGadsden, is it you, or is it me? Here’s the answer to your first, foolish, paragraph. http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/index.cfm

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 11:46am

      RJJinGadsden, knowing that you are a zealot and that facts are meaningless, I’ll post this anyway.
      http://www.ifamericansknew.org/

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    • fdraiden
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 12:08pm

      MaryBeth, we all want peace, you idiot, unless you’re demented. I see how well that worked for the jews in Germany. Good thing you’re not in charge or we would all be “in chains” to quote your favorite VPOTUS.

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    • tzion
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 12:13pm

      @Jerk
      Those aren’t facts, they’re out-of-context figures. Just by clinking two links I found one of your source’s sources and this is what I found:
      7 January 2001
      Obeisi infant girl, of Nablus, died at an IDF checkpoint when her mother was prevented from crossing to reach the hospital.
      14 January 2001
      Omar Farouq Khaled, 11, of al-Bireh, died of head wounds sustained Jan. 7 from IDF gunfire during a demonstration.
      26 February 2001
      Hussam Imad Abed al-Deesi, 15, of Kalandya refugee camp, killed by IDF gunfire to his abdomen while throwing stones.

      By providing context to your “facts” the entire story changes. Israel is being blamed for deaths caused by illness and your own source proves it. Is Israel supposed to allow anyone to cross their border for medical reasons when Palestinians have tried sending a woman suicide bomber to an Israeli hospital under the guise of pregnancy? And as far as I’m concerned, if you throw stones at a soldier at get shot for doing so it’s your own fault.

      Also, why are most of these “children” between the ages of 14 and 17? What are these “demonstrations they keep dying at?

      In comparison, we have this:
      1 June 2001
      Marina Berkovizki, 17, of Tel Aviv, killed by a Palestinian suicide bomber at the entrance to the Dolphinarium disco. (9 other teens were killed in the same attack)

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 12:18pm

      FDraiden, don’t want to stray too far from the story, but your statement about Jews wanting peace is inaccurate. They were calling for war against Germany well before, five years before, kristallnacht.

      http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/zionism/jewishwar.cfm

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 12:23pm

      TZion, you have a habit of calling facts “out-of-context” when those facts tell a different reality than the one you desire.

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 12:25pm

      THE-JERK, Yep, its you. I’m old enough to have paid close attention to this since it really came to light to me in 1967. I’ve closely followed Israeli’s emergence since then along with studying the nation and it’s military since then. You are engulfed in your hatred and pick and choose the agreeable blurbs that attempt to support you position of blind hatred. BTW, just how many people here do you think that you have recruited to your dark side of this situation? Okay, there are probably a few libs since they already hated Jews and Israel before this came along. But, I think that I can safely say that you have not convinced anybody else here that you are in any way correct. Your racist hatred, that has all too often included American blacks does make outsiders think that we are all haters. But, that title is the millstone around your neck, not ours.

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 12:38pm

      THE-JERK, I challenge you to tag the link below which is another article on The Blaze, and coherently answer any one of the questions presented by 22_YEAR_OLD_CONSERVATIVE. You’ll need only scroll down about half of the page,
      http://www.theblaze.com/stories/fury-of-hamas-rockets-on-southern-israeli-towns-kills-three-civilians-while-israel-continues-military-operation/

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 12:44pm

      RJJinGadsden, hate to bust your contrived bubble, but I am not here to recruit. I’m here to tell the factual truth. I implore people to question me, and to check those facts for themselves.

      Second, you accuse me of picking and choosing agreeable blurbs, then foolishly admit that you’ve started your close following of history in 1967. Zionist movement was founded in the late 19th century by secular Jews. The political movement was formally established by Theodor Herzl in 1897 following the publication of his book Der Judenstaat.

      You’re factually a very late comer, which explains the ignorance.

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 12:54pm

      THE_JERK, I was taught better than to believe or follow somebody who has backed himself into his own corner awash with nothing more than a seething of hatred.
      Furthermore, FACTS? Keep fooling yourself. There has almost always been people who have hated Jews, and you are simply another example of these tiny, tiny people. I will not be fooled by you any more than the others here.

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 12:57pm

      THE_JERK,
      tagged Reply too quick. No, I said that I was of age in 1967 to begin to coherently follow the history or Israel. The Three Day War caught my attention then when it was as televised as Vietnam. Do you remember those days?

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    • tzion
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 12:58pm

      @Jerk
      I didn’t call them out-of-context. I explained how they were out of context and provided the context that you yourself had conveniently overlooked because it didn’t fit with your version of events. I took your facts and expanded upon them so that people can see a larger picture which, incidentally includes every “fact” you brought up as a subset of all the facts that make up reality. You only present the facts that back up your narrative.

      Moreover, while I showed exactly what your source wasn’t telling, thereby proving that the context had been missing, your response is to ignore the addition information and attack me directly. Funny how you always claim that people resort to personal attacks when they have response or substance only to stoop to that same level yourself. Why don’t you challenge my facts? Is Israel being blamed for deaths from illnesses or not?

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 12:58pm

      RJJinGadsden, I am holding in my hand, at this time, a 1939 edition of, “Compton’s Pictured Encyclopedia and Fact Index.” Palestine can be found on page 33 in the “P” volume. It answers the questions, and it is too voluminous to reproduce here.

      The reason that I collect old books and old encyclopedia’s is to combat historical revisionism. The reason I fear this electronic form of media is precisely for the same reason. I love the written word. It is there for eternity. Old school? Maybe.

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 1:13pm

      THE_JERK, The property purchased from the Ottoman Empire in 1830 by European and Russian Jews in their desire to return to Israel was taken away from them by the Post WWI British. They presented the massive land mass to Arab tribes who assisted the British during WWI fighting the Germans and Ottoman Empire. T.E. Lawrence was involved here and supported the land exchange as payment. The Jews then relented, but requested that it be called Palestine. But Palestine never really became a country. It was eventually broken down to become Jordan, Iraq, and later Kuwait. The people in those areas at that time were not indigenous, but I will admit that neither were the Jews who where buying the land. In fact the land prior to WWI was hardly occupied by any people at all.
      By the way, what were you doing in 1967? Most likely you had not even begun to soil your diapers yet.
      I would venture to predict the same thing about you the last time I worked with a small group of IDF personnel on an American installation in Germany when I was involved with a security mission. Mainly to keep them and another group of Jordanians separated who were there at the same time.

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    • tzion
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 1:14pm

      @Jerk
      While you’ve got that book open to ‘P’, why don’t you check if Puerto Rico is in there as well. I’m sure we can all agree that Puerto Rico isn’t a country, a state, or an independent political entity. It is a territory of the US. Similarly, in 1939, Palestine was a British territory. It’s capitol was London, it’s laws were British laws, it’s courts were British courts the language spoken was English, and it’s government was the British government.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 1:29pm

      TZion, so then, what you are saying is that Palestine did exist. Wasn’t that the point?

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 1:33pm

      RJJinGadsden, seriously. How does one respond to these childish rants?

      “THE_JERK, I was taught better than to believe or follow somebody who has backed himself into his own corner awash with nothing more than a seething of hatred.”

      Could I not equally state that your ignorance allows you to mistake facts for hate? The ignorant are the easiest to fool and the easiest to lead.

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 1:38pm

      THE_JERK, Go take you stand against Israel with 0bama, okay? Oh, wait a minute, you have also actually stated here a near hatred dislike of black people too.
      Just who do you not hate, racist? From now on when I see a picture of a Klansman in his robes, I will always think of you.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 1:44pm

      TZion, your context proves my point. Palestinian life is so cheap to the Israelis that they will not permit a mother to go to a hospital in order to care for her infant girl. Or, they kill a 15 year old boy for throwing stones. Are you that cold, callous, and indifferent to another life? Israelis are.

      To me, your context makes it even worse.

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    • tzion
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 1:45pm

      @Jerk
      Of course Palestine existed. It was the name given to a region under the control of various empires from the Romans to the British. It was never an independent state. Moreover, the name Palestine was given to the region by the Romans as an insult to the Jewish inhabitants by essentially revising history to deny their connection to the land. Prior to that it was known as Judea.

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 1:48pm

      THE_JERK, You’ve had more than one hate filled rant here in the past while blaming particular Jews for many if not most of the world’s problems. I’ve read so many of your links, and it reminds me of so many other things that I have read about Jews and Israel written long before the Army developed the internet. A Jewish friend of mine in Germany used to sit and laugh at so many of these foolish accusations while in Germany back in the early ’80s. Instead of ignorant, I see you as an idiot who would likely do harm to my friends, whom I would do anything to protect them. Your heart must be the darkest shade of black from your hatred.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 2:01pm

      TZion, I can play that game of history too. What was before Judea? Let’s cut to the chase. What was that land before a foreigner from Sumeria, Abram, came and laid claim to that land? Clearly, at best, Hebrews were late comers to that land. Jews even later. Israel ended in 722 B.C..

      Sounds like Jews are picking and choosing history.

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 2:09pm

      THE_JERKm Funny that you should mention the year 722. Didn’t Islam’s infancy begin only about a hundred years before. Somehow this makes Muslims the rightful owners of what is now called Israel? Just wondering your opinion.

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    • tzion
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 2:12pm

      @Jerk
      The context proves YOUR point? Again, you are providing motivation when your source provided none. How do you know those incidents were because of lack of caring? Were you there? Did you speak to anyone who was?

      Let’s look at this another way. A Mexican woman with an infant shows up at US border with no papers and asks if she and her baby can go to a US hospital for treatment. Her request is denied and the baby dies. Is the US responsible? The fact is Jerk, Israel has the right to secure its borders and to deny entrance to its country. Moreover, Israel regularly permits many Palestinians to be treated at Israeli hospitals. The problem is that Palestinians have tried to sneak suicide bombers into these hospitals and, knowing that other Palestinians are being treated there, blow them up along with the doctors who are treating them. You want to talk about value of life? Try teaching it to the Arabs.

      As for the boy throwing stones, I didn’t see you complaining when cops in Oakland used pepper spray, tear gas, and even rubber bullets to suppress riots. The only difference is these Palestinians pick fights with IDF soldiers armed only live rounds. Where they supposed to let themselves be stoned to death?

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    • tzion
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 2:13pm

      @Jerk
      I think this speaks to the value Israel places on Palestinian lives:
      http://www.saveachildsheart.org/17-en/ChildrenWeHelp.aspx

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 2:26pm

      TZION,He’ll just call you a liar, or the site a pack of lies. When I told him that I took an active interest in studying Israel in 1967, he said that I was a newcomer. Guess that he thinks that he deluded himself to think that my interest only goes back to 1967. Funny coming from him since I was on this earth when Stalin died. I noticed that he will not answer my question regarding where he was in ’67.
      Oh yes, I want to thank you for your very informative posts here. When ever I see your site name I read with relish what you have to say. And, I always learn something.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 2:34pm

      TZion, love the comparison. So, what you are really saying is, when Germany placed Jews into their walled off ghettos and set up similar checkpoints, Germany was well within her rights to refuse Jews to leave those ghettos. And, if those Jews did not comply, they justifiably could kill them. If Jewish boys threw stones, German solders had the right to open fire.

      I just want consistency in logic and reason. Let’s remember that the Palestinians were living in that land long before European and American Jews came and took it.

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    • progressiveslayer
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 2:54pm

      It sounds like Israel has to engage in total war to end the attacks because the savages won’t stop their shelling of civilians and we all know it.

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    • tzion
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 4:27pm

      @Jerk
      Your comparing the territories to the ghettos? That would be laughable if there was anything funny about the ghettos. In the Nazi ghettos, people were forced to live in buildings designed to house of population less than a quarter the number of people. There was forced labor, little, food, no medicine, curfews, radios were forbidden, and anyone found with any kind of weapon would be publicly executed. Thousands died of starvation, disease, and the cold.

      Palestinians weren’t forced to live anywhere. Jews were actually forced to leave Gaza. Palestinians are allowed to leave after passing a security checkpoint, not unlike a standard border crossing. The population density of the territories likely doesn’t even approach that of the Ghettos.

      And if that’s not proof enough, look at the impact. Since building their fence, the number of terrorist attacks on Israel plummeted, as did Israeli casualties. But of course, you don’t think enough Israelis die already, right?

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    • tzion
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 4:34pm

      @Jerk
      The Nazis did NOT set up similar checkpoints. Jews were not permitted to leave the Ghetto for any reason other than work and had to return by evening. There are Palestinians living outside of territories living completely ordinary lives. Do Israelis check to make sure every Palestinian who leaves Gaza is back inside by nightfall? Of course not.

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  • BlackCrow
    Posted on November 15, 2012 at 10:30am

    Who are the first to scream when “civilians” are killed? Muslims!

    NO MERCY!!!

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 11:15am

      BLACKCROW, and, usually while those Muslims kill only civilians. Cowards, so many of their actual targets are Jewish children too!

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 11:51am

      RJJING, just to prove that you are factually incorrect, again.

      http://www.ifamericansknew.org/

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 2:18pm

      THE_JERK, You mean that I was fooled when I saw the results and the bloodstains in the aftermath of Muslim attacks on Israeli schools and school buses. You really are whacked in the head. Number one, I am not incorrect. Number two, you are either a bold faced liar or simply awash in your hatred. I suppose that if I told you the sky was blue, you would likely step outside then look down. That is about what I gather from the display of sensibility and indoctrination.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 2:40pm

      RJJinGadsden, no. You fool yourself when you close your eyes to the Palestinian blood spilled on their ghetto streets by the Israeli gestapo. .

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 3:22pm

      DAS_JERK, You remind me a particular Muslim whom I knew in the Army. He constantly denied and denied that the Palestinians or any Muslim ever, ever did anything to hurt Jews or any Americans in any way. I had to see him to sign for our COMSEC shortly after we the Liberty Bell Club was bombed in Berlin. I gave him a nasty sneer the next time I saw him after our F111s paid Qadafi Duck a particular visit. He would not look me in the eye on either occasion. Shortly after that I was hand selected to part of the protective service detail for that four star general at SHAPE who helped develop that raid.
      Lackenheath
      Is
      Bombing
      Your
      Ass

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  • RaydocX
    Posted on November 15, 2012 at 10:28am

    Yet people here, safe in their pricey condos will justify her murder in some convoluted geopolitical premise. If native americans began launching rockets into new York the liberals would scream for military response. When it doesn’t threaten them, applying flawed logic and fantasy makes blaming innocent victims easy…

    Remember Benghazi

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 11:53am

      No murders are justifiable. And, that truth is reciprocating. The problem with western logic is not understanding that fact.

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    • tzion
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 1:05pm

      @Jerk
      All you did was define murder. Murder is the unjustified killing of another person. If it was justified it wouldn’t be murder.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 2:08pm

      TZion, no. I responded to Rays statement about murder.

      Now to expand, I do think that the dropping of a 500 pound bomb in a civilian area does constitute murder… the same as taking a 5 pound bomb onto a bus. You excuse one, while I convict both.

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  • TROLLMONGER
    Posted on November 15, 2012 at 10:28am

    Ok. So why does her death make blaze headlines? How is her death any more important than anyone else’s in the middle east?

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    • TEIN
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 10:52am

      Because the story had a tragic irony to it maybe??? And was there not a story yesterday about a five year who was “punished” to death?? Besides there is not a site large enough to list all of the Middle Easterner’s that blow themselves up along with other Middle Easterner’s…

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on November 15, 2012 at 11:20am

      TURDMONGER, You may as well ask “Why is any story reported?” Okay simpleton, go back to screaming that Zimmerman is guilty. Makes about as much sense, even though it is not June yet.

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