What Steps Is This Fla. Restaurateur Taking to Offset the Cost of Obamacare? Hint: It Will Cost You
Florida restaurateur John Metz, who operates about 40 Denny’s locations and five Hurricane Grill & Wings franchises across Florida, Virginia, and Georgia, says that he will be adding a five percent surcharge to customers’ bills to help offset the cost of the Affordable Care Act (i.e. “Obamacare”).
“People are trying to find ways to avoid the penalties and to avoid having to pay for ObamaCare,” John Metz told FoxNews.com. “Everyone’s looking for a way to not have to provide insurance for their employees. It’s essentially a huge tax on all us business people.”
But that’s not all.
As CEO of RREMC Restaurants, LLC, Metz says he will also have to slash the hours of roughly 1,200 employees to fewer than 30 hours per week.
He will make the announcement next month.
“I want to explain it to everybody, to let them know what’s coming down the pike,” he said. “We like to keep our employees informed.”
The changes will no doubt force some of his employees to look for a second job, FoxNews.com notes, but Metz maintains that he has no other choice.
“It’s a great concept,” Metz said of President Obama’s landmark healthcare law. “We want to have everyone insured. The problem is, who is going to pay for it and how are we going to accomplish this?”
And just in case you don’t remember some of the “finer” details of “Obamacare,” here’s a refresher:
Under the current law, employers with more than 50 full-time (or equivalent) workers will be charged a penalty for the number of employees exceeding 30 full-time staffers who are not covered.
With an average of 35 full-time employees per location, Metz said the $2,000 penalty would total roughly $70,000 per restaurant. Current coverage costs Metz up to $6,000 annually per full-time employee, he said. He currently provides coverage to about 250 employees.
“It’s going to be a big issue for all of us — for my employees and for me,” said Metz. “The ones that are working more than 28 hours, they’re going to act as if I’m cutting their hours and they’ll have to find another job.”
Metz is probably correct when he says other restaurants will adopt to his policies — that is, adding surcharges and slashing hours.
“That is what I foresee and that is the easier, least painful way to deal with these added costs,” he said. “In a true playing field, everybody will impose this, from McDonald’s to Denny’s to even maybe the fine dining restaurants in order to have the funds to be able to pay for either insurance or the penalty for not providing insurance to their employees.”
Metz has encouraged his staff to contact their elected officials to see if there are other ways in which the costs of implementing “Obamacare” can be offset.
“It’s never good news, but it is what it is,” Metz said in reference to his five percent surcharge. “We really should look for a better or different way to pay for [ObamaCare]. I think what we’re going to ultimately see here is a European-type system where we have a value added tax or a national sales tax.”
“I have a choice: try to live within the rules, or go out of business,” he added.
While Metz claims that he has no other choice but to add surcharges and slash hours, and that he believes others will follow suite, the National Restaurant Association claims that is “premature” to try to assess the financial burden “Obamacare” will put on businesses.
Here is the statement they sent to FoxNews.com:
We have warned for some time that the mechanics of the health care law are very difficult for the restaurant industry, which is a low-margin industry that works to keep costs down in order to provide value to customers.
All costs, from gas and commodities to labor and insurance, eventually impact the price on the menu. It is important that operators get very familiar with the provisions of the law and start planning for its implementation; however, it’s premature to make a specific assessment of exactly how the law will affect any individual business because there are so many details that are unknown.
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RaydocX
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 5:06pmJust wait, tonight Chrissy Matthews will be on screaming that once again Denny’s is proven to be racist for daring to try to stay in business to keep those employed in jobs, albeit for shorter hours, and despite the rising customer cost brought on by Ocare…
if you think this is it, head for the liferafts… it’s the tip of the iceberg and BHO is ‘just steering a little closer to make things level’…
with the waterline.
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WarMunger_Al
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 6:07pmOnly black people and really old people eat at denny’s. All business’s own by conservatives should just close up shop and fire everybody in protest. Let Obama pay for them out of his “Obama stash”.
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The-Monk
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 6:31pm“You didn’t tax that… someone else taxed that.”
BHO
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Anamah
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 7:02pmIt would be time for ignorant citizen to learn how ugly and destructive is the reality Obama brings to our lives.They have chosen to waste their children best opportunities, by simple stupidity. They are going to learn what is behind his histrionic skills.
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Scott Pam
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 7:06pmWarmonger:
I eat at Denny’s. Often. I am white, not old and enjoy the good value of their breakfasts.
I voted for the Mormon, not the moron.
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Secret Squirrel
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 9:02pm.
At first, I thought I’d just boycott Denny’s.
But why punish the company for the votes of the employees?
So, I decided to go to Denny’s and when the bill comes,
I’ll tip the waitress 10% instead of 20%.
Then write a note. “You voted for Obama, it’s your fault. Enjoy!”
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psychosocial1
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 11:42pmAll of the comments being made here seem to leave out one very important factor in this equation. The employees. The individuals doing the actual work that brings in the revenue. I am quite sure Mr. Metz is not a poor man, and I am even more sure that he isn’t the one cooking the food or serving it. His employees are a large part of the reason this man has the income he does. How about recognizing the fact that there are two sides to the equation? The ownership/labor relationship is symbiotic in nature, neither one surviving without the other. I realize this concept is a bit too tough for some to understand. Quite frankly, I am getting a bit tired of the “poor old downtrodden millionaires” meme.
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Rita_Pita
Posted on November 16, 2012 at 6:02amInflation is coming because of Fed actions and because of Obamacare, hold onto what you can. Read fresh political commentary at: http://smallcraftadvisorychronicles.blogspot.com
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cykonas
Posted on November 16, 2012 at 10:16am@PS1: The ownership/labor relationship is symbiotic in nature, neither one surviving without the other. I realize this concept is a bit too tough for some to understand.
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The concept isn’t difficult to understand. And when it remains a private two party relationship usually things go fairly well. The problem with government programs, including the Patient Affordable Care Act, is that they insert a third party into the relationship. The unwelcome insertion of the government has historically ruined the symbiosis between the first two parties that you so correctly point out as essential to survival. Since you said in your post that you were feeling ill, I hope this makes you feel better. Peace.
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pengweninc
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 5:05pmObamaCost – I created a Facebook page with the goal to petition all business owners that are implementing a surcharge to offset ObamaCare costs, to include this surcharge as a separate line item on their receipts. We should all know what we are really paying for this program.
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nzkiwi
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 5:19pmThat’s a good idea.
The fact is that businesses don’t pay tax. They never have, and they never will.
It is the customers that pay the tax.
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Keatonc333
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 5:19pmThats like what 4 restaurants? out of what? thousands
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Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 5:28pmOk, Keaton. You going to throw rhetoric and run away or are you going to attempt to back up your point somehow?
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SocialistSlayer
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 6:07pm“The fact is that businesses don’t pay tax” Not only have you never been in business to make a statement like this your statement also shows you are a Communist Nitwit!
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nzkiwi
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 6:48pmActually, Socialist, I own a business, and it is not my first one.
Think about this carefully:
Where do businesses get the money that they pay to the IRS?
If you said “From their income” your are correct.
Where do businesses get their income from?
If you said “From their customers” you are, again, correct.
So if the government demands an increase in tax from business, how do they meet that bill?
If you said “They must charge their customers more or they will go broke” you are right again.
Ergo; the government taxes businesses, but businesses don’t pay it. Their customers do.
It makes good propaganda for the government to say that they are going after the rich companies, but the government and the companies both know where the money is really coming from.
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nzkiwi
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 7:03pmI must say that, as someone who has been occassionally accused of having a political position slightly to the right of Ghengis Khan, it was quite a novelty to be called a “Communist Nitwit”.
I rather enjoyed that. :)
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ScottG-CO
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 8:48pmNZKIWI- that is an OUTSTANDING explanation! Anyone with half a deck should understand that!
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DadRocked
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 11:15pmKeatonc333 – Actually had you read the article you would see that over 45 stores are involved and over 1200 employ. What have you done for yourself or your family lately?
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nzkiwi
Posted on November 16, 2012 at 1:32amThanks, Scott.
I’ve always said that anybody who has run a household budget understands the basics of economics. They might not have the big words, but they understand the important principles – even if they don’t realise it themselves.
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skinflint
Posted on November 16, 2012 at 6:01amThat is a profoundly good idea.
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Maletvette
Posted on November 16, 2012 at 11:20amLink?
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UCSDKID
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 5:02pmI love this guys idea! I think Republican business owner (which is probably most businesses) should begin printing reciepts or bills with a line item that says “Obamacare Tax” and explicitly let everyone know they are paying for this.
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NothingisFree
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 6:23pmI don’t understand why nobody is calling it the ObamaCare TAX or the Healthcare TAX????
Mitt should have kept driving that during the debates…it’s a TAX people and Joe Biden actually got it half right…it’s not a Big F’in deal…it’s a Big F’ing tax!
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ambrosia
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 9:02pmYep,
the restaurants need to define it as the ObamaCare tax
and then list the White House phone number, so everyone can call & complain.
Also, why not make a special note:
To all the fools who voted for this failure of a president.
feel free to double the tax in lieu of all your ignorance
& what it’s costing the rest of the good American folks.
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4XGrace
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 5:01pmSo how much will it cost to insure the employees? More the penalties? Gee Whiz, I’d say the article is incomplete.
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SocialistSlayer
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 5:05pmWho the heck knows! No-one seems to know for sure what’s in the 10,000 page law. Only the Commie-Crats could write a dimwit law such as this. No one knows who is going to pay the fines, how much or anything else.
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Jaycen
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 5:06pmIt’s right in the article if you bother to read it. Metz already pays $6,000 per emplyee that he insures. He currently insures 250 employees. Probably managers and corporate types.
He averages 35 employees per store and owns 40 stores. Multiply $6,000 x 40 x 35 = $8,400,000 per year
I just did your thinking for you. You’re welcome. Oh, and look, it’s not going to cost very much. I’m sure Mr. Metz is just a big, mean Capitalist pig who doesn’t care about his employees OR his consumers. That’s why he doesn’t want to pay for healthcare for those employees. Because he doesn’t want to pass on the joy of paying an extra $5 per burger to his customers who would be THRILLED to pay it.
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Lamarr01
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 5:36pmPlease refrain from showing any arithmetic. Numbers cause extreme pain to leftists.
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hades3
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 5:01pmWell DUUUUH ! It comes as a complete surprise that businesses will be forced too pass the cost of Obamacare along to their customers. Only Odumber supporters are unaware that many government regulations and mandates add to the cost of consumer goods and services. When the NET profits of most businesses range to a few cents on the dollar , it deesn’t take a genius to determine that any
excess burden makes it difficult for many smaller businesses. No doubt a number of young peopel who voted for Obama attend college. They scream at at anyone who proposes raising tuition or interest on student loans, yet they find it difficult to understand why increasing the cost of anything
on private businesses reduces profit margins.
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Keatonc333
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 4:55pmWell at least there are about a dozen almost identical restaurant chains who aren’t raising prices or slashing employees hours.. I’d suggest eat at them instead..
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SocialistSlayer
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 4:59pmYeah, enjoy that Big Mac !
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Jaycen
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 5:02pmDer her! Yeah! Until all the others do the same.
In the very near term this is a case of “market freedom”, but in the long term, Mr. Metz is exactly right. Every business like his will have to do the same thing or die, due the unfree market pressure exerted by the federal government.
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rickc34
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 5:08pmStop eatting out. Start cooking at home and save your money. It is healthier also. No spit on your burger from the kicthen staff or mucus in the secret sauce.
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antiprogressive
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 5:23pmHopefully it will become SOP for ALL businesses to raise prices to cover the costs and make SURE everyone knows WHY.
The separate line at the bottom of the bill for OBAMATAX should be MANDATORY.
The people VOTED for it.
Let them PAY for it.
My decrease is attending these places won’t hurt me at all.
But just imagine what will happen when everyone ELSE quits as well.
Dennys may wind UP with less than 50 employees – like it or NOT.
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Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 5:29pmYour choice. Good luck with that.
BTW, many of them have waivers from Obama in terms of compliance. How sweet. Start at McDonalds.
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WarMunger_Al
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 6:12pmDoubt it. Any increase in cost to the business, always gets passed to the consumer. That is why POS liberals like yourself can never run a business…go organize a community or something loser.
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The-Monk
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 4:54pmReplace the “D” in Denny’s with an “R” and stop hiring Dem’s.
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00gabooga
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 4:44pmIt’s scary how libs think business who do this are “Punishing” their employees because obama got reelected, as opposed to just trying to stay in business and save as many jobs as possible.Next they’ll start a boycott, which means Denny’s will have to lay off or cut back hours on MORE people.
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SocialistSlayer
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 4:58pmAs a business owner I can assure you we have no other choice. You either close down, reduce hours, Lay off employees or if you are a larger employer you simply shift them overseas. Don’t matter what everyone loses. Communist obama is an idiot extraordinaire !
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Jaycen
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 5:00pmPeople said the same things in Weimar before Hitler took over. Look it up.
Progressive Socialists think “we’ve evolved”, but humans have been pretty much the same for the last 20,000+ years.
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Cavallo
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 5:06pmDems and liberals don’t understand business nor economics. They don’t understand costs and expenses verses revenue. They think owners are just greedy because they want to turn a profit. They can’t fathom the dirty little secret that ALL businesses must turn a profit or die. Except the USPS and AmTrack, they can lose billions year after year and stay open because they are backed by the fiat money of the federal government.. or should I say the extortion funds of the US Government.
USA RIP
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ModerationIsBest
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 5:12pmYeah, Papa John’s is SOOOOOOO close to closing down business because of the extra cost per pizza.
I mean, where will he get that 7th mansion from?
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Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 5:31pmModeration,
Well heck then, why stop at what y’all have already done? I mean if it is inconsequential as you’d have us believe, why not do more? If a little redistribution, regulation, tax is good wouldn’t a buttload be great? Help me understand why y’all stopped from going further? Shouldn’t you have just make employers foot 100% of healthcare costs and then make employers provide it to everyone? Wouldn’t that make more sense?
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Shamrock241
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 5:37pm@Socialistslayer sadly the best option is to lay workers off not raise prices, the workers need to understand there are consequences to elections,my quess is most low wage earners in the fast food industry voted for the Dems.
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applsfan
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 10:23pmThey think all business owners are filthy rich and can afford the extra cost. The thing that they don’t know, is that most small businesses barely get by for a long time and then don’t take home that large of a salary at the end of the day.
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two4america
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 4:44pm“Metz is probably correct when he says other restaurants will adopt to his policies — that is, adding surcharges.” I suppose if people start seeing an extra surcharge on their bills, they may just eat at home (if they haven’t already, to make ends meet).
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HKS
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 4:40pmI personally think that all businesses should tag in separate context the cost of government bricks on all the products that they sell. Break out that number and lets take a look at it. The government likes to hide their handy work in the products of sellers like they don’t exist,bring it, lets see if the liberals can live with it in their face. I applaud them. Why is it that only conservatives pay attention to this crap.
“Remember Benghazi”
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TexVet61
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 4:40pmguess I will have to start asking about that… I will be damned if I pay increased taxes, then have some cafe owner pass his cost to me… I could give a crap what it cost him.. I sure the crap aren’t going to pay for his employees health care. Nobody pays for mine, freaking Librals…
I mean, did they get fed **** as a baby and it ruined their brain?
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THX-1138
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 4:52pmNo, they got fed Cr@p in the Government Indoctrination Centers sometimes referred to as “Public Schools” and it ruined their brain.
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THX-1138
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 4:38pmI’m applying for all the assistance I can get. Food stamps, welfare, disability, whatever I can get. I’ll donate it all to a (very right wing) charity. If the Left can steal from me then I can steal it back. Hopefully this will accelerate the inevitable crash so we can bury the old US and establish a new one on the grave of our once great nation.
We’ll never be free again so long as the leeches are allowed to vote so why continue pretending that we can “save” America. You can’t save your 92 year old grandmother with cancer either. America’s time has passed. Forward.
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nzkiwi
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 8:33pmOh, look! It’s Bava.
The guy that mocked us for admiring the dedication of the guards at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier.
Hi, Bava. Your intellectual repartee is as scintilatting as ever, I see.
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BlackCrow
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 4:37pmTrolls have clocked out? Maybe they are getting cut back to 28 hours a week too.
How many of those bussers and wait staff voted for Odummer? The majority I would wager. Now they will blame their evil boss for wanting to make money. How bad is in going to have to get before these idiots come to their senses?
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Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 4:55pmYeah, I hope he explained it to them that because of all the people that voted for Obama, they will be a lot poorer, now. Do you think THAT will wake them up? Probably not. They will cry racism, if they are black, sexism, if they are female, and blame it on Mr. Metz.
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psychosocial1
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 11:47pmThe evil boss makes money because of the labor of his employees, get it? Metz is yet another crybaby millionaire. I’m sure most people of your mindset think this guy should be worshipped. Perhaps you should broaden your own viewpoint to consider the fact that the equation has two sides.
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mrs.janet.murgatroid
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 4:31pmIt’s the greedy Dr.s who are to blame. I went to Kaiser for a routine blood pressure check with no complaints no other problems and the Dr. billed a 99204 exam. Google a 99204 exam and see what level of complexity and decision making are required for a 99204 exam.
Are you being followed for glaucoma? I’d get a second opinion on that if I were you. That’s an easy one for greedy Dr’s to make cash on. Seeing you over and over, doing all sorts of money making tests when you eye pressure is not high and your optic cup is flat.
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THX-1138
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 4:42pmDoctors are no longer in charge; the feds and insurance companies dictate what is done and what is not. Doctors are not greedy, democrats are…
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girlnurse
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 5:23pmGreedy doctors?! Haha..you must be kidding! MOST of the doctors are foreigners now and any doctor who can still put up with the government regulated paperwork has my sympathy! But MANY MORE are leaving and retiring with Obummcare comin down the pike! You think your care was inferior before? Ha You ain’t seen nothing yet! The government is getting hold of it and it will never be the same again! Good bye sweet american medical care! It was nice knowing you. I suggest if you need anything substatial done go get it done now before socialism takes hold!
PS. Doctors earn every bit of what they get (its really not that much after taxes)
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AvengerK
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 4:26pmWell look at that…elections do indeed have consequences…and so do foolish votes.
But look on the bright side..they may be paying more for food at Denny’s and 1200 staff members just go their hours reduced..but at least they can have unfettered abortions and Obama “understands” them better than Romney does. That’s got to be worth the smaller paycheck and the higher price..right? FORWARD….
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Landon410
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 4:43pmand 18,000 jobs at hostess are lost because of libs and their terrible decisions
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bharris0
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 4:26pmEvery time government drives up the cost to do business, the business world raises their cost to cover it. Then everyone pays for more expensive goods and services and that reduces their disposable income.
Liberals just can’t seem to grasp that simple concept. That is why so many companies have moved offshore. They can’t compete when liberals keep increasing their overhead.
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Chromo200
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 4:36pmBut Obama/Pilosi told us the truth .. Taxes are not being raised .. They did not tell us that getingt up in the morning will cost us more money, just that taxes will not go up.
This means that Buffet and friends may not have to pay more taxes, because it got covered by the 99%.
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Impenitent
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 4:25pmI can’t wait until comrade obama closes these restaurants for serving the wrong type of food by non union employees… ah, the glory of the progressive socialist machine enslaving everyone…
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copatriots
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 4:32pmOr taxes them to oblivion.
Somehow Teflon 0bummer is never responsible for anything bad to his sheeple.
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Cavallo
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 4:22pmBy the time the National Restaurant Association gets around to “assessing” the effects of massive complicated burdensome regulation, it will be far to late for most restaurants. I hope they label it on the receipts “ACA Taxes” or at the very least, “Government Mandate Fees”.
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progressiveslayer
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 4:32pmIf you think about it though hyperinflation will take out all businesses anyway so it doesn’t really matter. The ironically named ‘affordable health care law’ will kill millions of jobs we all know this but hyperinflation will keep us down for many many years.
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Cavallo
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 5:00pmIt all depends on how and when the inflation hits. Will it be a sudden burst like Germany, or a slow drawn out debacle, with the politicians blaming everything under the sun but fascist centralized idiocy? If they draw it out past 2014 (which they might be able to, personally I didn’t think they would be able to delay it as long as they already have), you will see many businesses having to deal with the ObamaCare poison and either folding up shop or wildly changing the way they do business. On top of it all, nothing in the Obamacare BS will prevent radical inflation in the healthcare industry. They sold our soul for what they thought were magic beans, but are they’re just rocks instead.
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progressiveslayer
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 4:21pmNo more grand slams for slayer.
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sexyvixen21
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 4:43pmYou can get a free grand slam on your birthday.
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2MINUTESTOMIDNIGHT
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 7:43pmThey do make a good burger.
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progressiveslayer
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 4:21pmBut Barry said the new law wouldn’t cost anything,darn dang darn darn darn it.
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GeorgieJo
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 4:20pmGOOD THING I HEARD about THIS……OH WAIT I NEVER eat at DENNYS anyhoo
welcome to oblamocare….AFFORDABLE ACT of NO CARE
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SocialistSlayer
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 4:53pmIt doesn’t matter – I am going to implement this policy at my business also; as I believe many others will. One way or another you are going to pay Daddy’o ! You can start thanking all your deadbeat friends that voted for Communist obama !
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SBR308
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 4:17pmIt would nice just to add a line on the bill for Obama Care somewhere near the total. That way everyone can feel good about paying the tax.
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DadRocked
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 4:32pmFair would be to have a box to check on the bill asking if you would like to have the surcharge added.
FORWARD YO……
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antiprogressive
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 4:35pmmy thoughts exactly.
then everyone can save the receipts and see how much they pay over a YEAR to fund it.
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DadRocked
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 4:38pmTax deductable?
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Gonzo
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 4:14pmI hope all the Dennys wait staff voted for Obama. FORWARD!
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Tractorboy
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 4:21pmForward indeed, Heil Obama, and raise the blood flag.
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SocialistSlayer
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 4:56pmWell we know that the majority of Morons that Leech in this country did ! These fools don’t realize what they have done to themselves ! That free stuff from obama is going to cost them several times over !
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Thors Hammer
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 4:12pmAm I the only one that kind of hopes the Mayans were right? I don’t recognize – or want to live in this type of “civilization”.
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girlnurse
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 4:23pmI don’t either! Im a Christian so I hope Jesus comes back soon. I didn’t like visiting socialist countries and I sure as heck NEVER wanted to live in one. LIVE FREE OR DIE!
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 4:24pmRight about what?
History continues another 40,000 years after this cycle ends actually. The Mayan calendar is full of major and minor cycles, and 2012 is the end of a minor cycle. There are others after that, and nowhere is it mentioned that humanity dies off.
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Cavallo
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 4:08pmSlow on the reporting there Blaze.
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