
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., is surrounded by women Democrats as she announces that she wants to remain as the top Democrat in the House of Representatives, during a press conference at the Capitol in Washington, Wednesday, Nov. 14, 2012. (Credit: AP)
WASHINGTON (AP) — Republican senators’ angry criticism of U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice over her initial account of the deadly Sept. 11 attack in Libya smacks of sexism and racism, a dozen female members of the House said Friday.
In unusually personal terms, the Democratic women lashed out at Sens. John McCain and Lindsey Graham who earlier this week called Rice unqualified and untrustworthy and promised to scuttle her nomination if President Barack Obama nominates her to succeed Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton.
“All of the things they have disliked about things that have gone on in the administration, they have never called a male unqualified, not bright, not trustworthy,” said Rep. Marcia Fudge, D-Ohio, the next chairwoman of the Congressional Black Caucus. “There is a clear sexism and racism that goes with these comments being made by unfortunately Sen. McCain and others.”
At a Capitol Hill news conference, the female lawmakers, the majority of them African American like Rice, suggested that the Republicans are bitter about Obama’s re-election and taking it out on U.N. ambassador.
“To batter this woman because they don’t feel they have the ability to batter President Obama is something we the women are not going to stand by and watch,” said Rep. Gwen Moore, D-Wis. “Their feckless and reckless speculation is unworthy of their offices as senators.”
For weeks, the criticism of Rice has focused on her comments about the Libya attack. The lawmakers’ contention that the ambassador’s race and sex are factors come just over a week after an election when women and minorities heavily favored Obama and Democrats.
The Democratic women directed particular ire against McCain, who said Rice was “not being very bright” in her comments. The women pointed out that Rice was a Rhodes scholar who graduated tops in her Stanford class whereas McCain was in the bottom of his class at the U.S. Naval Academy.
Spokesmen for McCain and Graham had no immediate reaction to the remarks.
In a separate appearance after a briefing on Libya, Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., the chairwoman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said the growing criticism of Rice “is almost as if the attempt is to assassinate her character.”
At issue are Rice’s statements in a series of television interviews five days after the attack on the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya, that killed Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans. Republicans insist that she should have labeled the incident an act of terrorism rather than cite a protest over an anti-Muslim video that had roiled cities in the Middle East.
Rice said at the time she was providing the “best information and the best assessment we have today.”
“In fact this was not a preplanned, premeditated attack. That what happened initially was that it was a spontaneous reaction to what had just transpired in Cairo as a consequence of the video,” she said. “People gathered outside the embassy, and then it grew very violent. Those with extremist ties joined the fray and came with heavy weapons, which unfortunately are quite common in post-revolutionary Libya, and that then spun out of control.”
CIA acting director Mike Morell has told congressional committees this week that Rice was relying on an initial intelligence assessment that eventually proved incorrect. Former CIA Director David Petraeus told congressional committees Friday that Rice’s comments “reflected the best intelligence at the time that could be released publicly,” according to Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., a lawmaker who attended the session.
The female House members argued that Rice would have no motivation to mislead the American people.
At a Wednesday news conference, McCain, Graham and Sen. Kelly Ayotte, R-N.H., had called for a special Watergate-style committee to investigate the Libya attack. McCain and Graham leveled their criticism at Rice, drawing a rebuke from Obama a short time later who said they should go after him, not the U.N. ambassador.
The Democratic women also contrasted McCain and Graham’s criticism with their defense of former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who had warned of weapons of mass destruction in pressing for war in Iraq that killed more than 4,400 Americans. No weapons of mass destruction were found.
“It’s interesting to me that we’re not discussing another Rice who went before all of the Sunday talk shows some years ago,” said Rep. Jan Schakowsky, D-Ill.
The Democratic women demanded that McCain and Graham retract their criticism.
“It is a shame that anytime something goes wrong, they pick on women and minorities,” Fudge said.
Said Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton, D-D.C.: “We will not allow a brilliant public servant’s record to be mugged to cut off her consideration to be secretary of state.”





















































































































Comments (280)
Bojaco
Nov. 16, 2012 at 5:04pmAs a woman, I am so sick and tired of hearing all the b1tchin & moanin…These WOMEN need to pull their big girl panties up and do their dam*n jobs! They SWORE an OATH to defend and protect our CONSTITUTION! How many of them actually have ever read it? There is no way on earth Ms. Rice should be nominated. She is just another derelict mouthpiece.
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orangetom1999
Nov. 19, 2012 at 1:06amWe have already had Rhodes Scholars in public office and they are nothing to boast about ..Republican or Democrat.
As to Gwen Moore…Gwen is a textbook M1A mouthpiece for “I’m a Victim…I’m, a Victim.”
There is no war on women out here Gwen..it is all just cheap politics for votes.
What they are doing here is laying the groundwork for Susan Rice to testify. They can then claim discrimination in the media and then Susan Rice plays through on soft ball questions because the panel is afraid of Racism and Sexism. THe media can then begin crying the same mantra and silence public dissent as well as the panel..ie…censorship. These are a bunch of women shills…being turned loose with the mantra of the “Usual Suspects” using and misusing Victimhood.
Agree with one of the other posters…you are the UN Ambassador…stand on your own feet…not someone else’s feet. A Rhodes Scholar can do this…not cede to more Victimhood.
You are looking at the groundwork being laid for censorship on this topic.
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HowardSternIsABigot
Nov. 16, 2012 at 5:03pmLooks like half might be males? Good lord is there any better argument to end affirmative racism sexism? look what monstrous liars have floated to the top of the toilet bowl. Flush this whole evil practice and eliminate the sexist cows from our government. Clearly they have one agenda, self promotion, and dont give a rats behind about the country.
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rinosrus
Nov. 16, 2012 at 5:18pma lot of man lovin action on this site
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jblaze
Nov. 16, 2012 at 5:22pmWho cares what distorted nonsense they come up with? Time to call them out on their obvious bluff! Silly twits!
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The_Jerk
Nov. 16, 2012 at 5:26pmSo, lying is acceptable if you are a woman? And, if you’re a black woman, I guess there are not limits to depravity.
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Female
Nov. 16, 2012 at 5:49pmHow about the sexist and racist-in-chief’s administration that prefers to use women and minorities as a shield in the first place? Is it normally the task of the ambassador to the UN to do these dirty little lying campaigns?
Condelesa Rice’s title included these tasks. Has anybody compared Condi’s travels w/Hillary’s? Seems Hillary is gone alot!
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chips1
Nov. 16, 2012 at 5:57pmWhat are the odds that so many batteries went dead at the same time> They need to make another trip to “Adam and Eves”.
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rickc34
Nov. 16, 2012 at 6:17pmWhat happened? These witch’s were silent when Palin and Bachman were being attacked oops I forgot these old hags lead thos attacks.
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NHwinter
Nov. 16, 2012 at 6:26pmIf you are a person in government, regardless of your race or gender, you are responsible for your actions and words If you are competent and intelligent you will not hide behind gender or race. These Democratic women want it both ways, respect and protection. Grow up ladies and take responsibility for your actions and stop wanting men to protect you while you whine away like pansies.
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oldguy49
Nov. 16, 2012 at 6:30pmthis racism sexism crap is getting old……………………..
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Wolfgang the Gray
Nov. 16, 2012 at 6:44pmSo this is what our government has distilled down to now? If you disagree with Obama, you are a racist. If you disagree with Rice, you are sexist. If you disagree with Pelosi, you’re the person that dropped a house on her sister. Good grief.
“When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.” – Declaration of Independence
When the idiots in Washington are of this low of a caliber (and the majority of citizens re-elected their leader), I don’t see how our nation will ever rise again to the greatness that it was for 215-years.
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I.Heart.America
Nov. 16, 2012 at 6:49pmI’m a woman and THIS IS STUPID!!!!!
Hey people in Washington…whatever your sex OR race ..how about taking some personal responsibility for a change!!!
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cosette
Nov. 16, 2012 at 7:04pmSo let me get this right. If an official, elected or appointed, is black that insulates them from any and all criticism. Kind of like, you know, being mentally retarded does? The soft bigotry of low expectations, I believe it’s called. Well guess what. If finding fault where it lies proves one to be racist, I’ve been called worse names by better people.
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lillymckim
Nov. 16, 2012 at 7:05pmAnyone notice how the women not the men in this administration allow themselves to be used as collateral damage for Obama ..
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pavepaws
Nov. 16, 2012 at 7:54pmIf McCain and Graham defended Condi Rice and she looks alot like Susan Rice, but criticized Susan Rice, how are they racist and sexist? It’s obvious they don’t like Democrats.
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muffythetuffy
Nov. 16, 2012 at 7:55pmWHERE ARE ALL THE BLACK WOMEN?
Why were all the black women excluded from this meeting?
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lillymckim
Nov. 16, 2012 at 8:51pmUntil the Republicans stand up to this crap in the PRESS it will continue right into the next election.
We allow it to continue and it worked by running scared of their “words” and walking on egg shells.
The candidates walked all around the “R”.
They are just your common bigots and they come in all backgrounds, genders, and colors!
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phil1765
Nov. 17, 2012 at 6:39amWell maybe if the White House doesn’t send a silly girl out to the sunday morning talk shows with such obvious lies, then maybe we wouldn’t be talking about a girl. Fact of the matter is that she went on 5 talk shows and repeated the same garbage about the Libyan attacks being spontaneous protests against a stupid you tube video no one had even seen except for the White House. Next time send out a guy with the same stupid excuses for what is obviously a planned terrorist attack and we will do the exact same thing to him. I am sick of talking about that worthless piece of crap Susan Rice anyway, why don’t you just tell us why the hell the ambassador was there without full security and why there wasn’t any help sent for the brave CIA agents who at least tried to save lives? And quit sending the white house parrot Geraldo Rivera on Fox News to say that there is nothing that could have been done in the amout of time that the attack lasted. I was in the military way too long to believe anything like that. The CIA agents had the attackers lit up with lasers, one F-16 loaded with smart bombs and guess what no more attackers.
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HonorablyServed
Nov. 17, 2012 at 6:53amWell said…
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wayner4162
Nov. 18, 2012 at 9:35amwomen, are not capable of leadership, they need to be at home taking care of their grand children and teaching them to love GOD and keep his commandments,there is a hot place in hell for this hen house.
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Popp40
Nov. 16, 2012 at 5:03pmIt has gotten to the point where you are not allowed to even question Obama or anyone who is black/minority in this administration because if you do then you are racist and sexist.
I bet going forward the Democratic Party will only put up someone who is a minority or a women candidate for President….after all….if you don’t vote for them then that means you are racist or sexiest because you are not allowed to question or disagree with them no matter what they believe. And we the MSM telling us how racists we are everyday for not supporting them blindly……
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momrules
Nov. 16, 2012 at 5:14pmI am well past sick of the little woman and the race cards.
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bigbear_awake
Nov. 16, 2012 at 5:35pmgive them same pay and everything else but treat them as women
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carolewash
Nov. 16, 2012 at 5:38pmAgree!
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TeresaJ
Nov. 16, 2012 at 6:05pmI don’t give two flying leaps what the democrats say anymore.
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HKS
Nov. 16, 2012 at 6:06pmRace is no excuse for ignorance. Nor is sex an excuse for ignorance. If she can’t take the heat get out of the kitchen.
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HonorablyServed
Nov. 17, 2012 at 7:13amWho did blacks vote for again? Unsure why the concept of racism / sexism is popularly mentioned since it’s the natural inclination of our species, viz., both genders of whites naturally gravitate towards whites while both black genders naturally gravitate towards blacks forming groups in the cafeteria. Although it’s a given, it’s also fodder thrown on the pyre in order to illuminate one’s hatred when / if present.
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Tri-ox
Nov. 16, 2012 at 5:02pmSusan Rice LIED and she got caught – she has committed a CRIME – it’s no surprise that obama’s libs are screaming RACISM and SEXISM in a desperate attempt to defend Rice.
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Lloyd Drako
Nov. 16, 2012 at 5:23pmRice said what she had been told to say, believing it to be true. How is that a CRIME, or even a crime?
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Lord_Frostwind
Nov. 16, 2012 at 5:35pmIf Rice was sent out purposely to be the lightning rod for the administration, then President Obama is more pathetic than I thought. If she actually believed the garbage she got sent out to spew, then she’s either an idiot or a “yes man,” neither of which we need as Secretary of State.
Don’t duck behind the race or gender card to cover incompetence, yours or your boss’s.
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Lloyd Drako
Nov. 16, 2012 at 6:12pmIt’s not racist or sexist to criticize Rice just because she’s black and female. Following instructions, as she did, believing that what she was saying was true, is not a crime.
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Oneirishman
Nov. 16, 2012 at 6:14pm@LORD_FROSTWIND
Maybe true, so why does she not make herself available for questions? For example, “Mrs. Rice who, specifically gave you this information? And how do you feel knowing they lied to you at the time?”
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WiseFox
Nov. 16, 2012 at 8:27pmTo Lloyd; This woman was elevated to the cabinet and received the same briefing as all of the other heads. She stood front and center and lied at the order from her boss, knowing the truth. She has full responsiblity for what she says as Ambassador to the UN. She is a very smart person, and is no innocent child. You need to read up on the truth before you blow smoke.
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WarMunger_Al
Nov. 16, 2012 at 10:45pmDrako-
she was privy to intel reports as well as the talking points. She knew the real score and chose to do as ordered and spewed lies to the American people. But the real crime is that they did nothing to help our people during a 7 hour fire fight. We already know they are liars, get to the part where they show what Obama’s orders were.
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NancyBee
Nov. 16, 2012 at 11:23pmLord Frostwind….You are EXACTLY RIGHT
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Lloyd Drako
Nov. 17, 2012 at 10:00amRice is America’s UN Ambassador. That does not mean she is privy to any intelligence beyond what her superiors at State or the White House care to share with her.
I would add that, whenever Americans are killed in a Muslim country, except perhaps in a random mugging or carjacking, “terrorism” is the default assumption, and does not need to be stated.
Whether for for domestic political reasons, or for diplomatic reasons having to do with events then occurring beyond Benghazi, or some conbination of both, emphasis was placed on the notorious video in the weeks after September 11.
None of this disqualifies Rice from consideration as Secretary of State, if he is nominated, however you may wish it did.
Obama pointed out his own use of “terror” on September 12–or have we forgotten “Get the transcript,” which clearly shows that he did?
Get over it: there is no further political capital to be extracted from Benghazi.
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Old Ogre
Nov. 17, 2012 at 12:50pmHow could any American with even just a little common sense NOT know that this was an act of terror and not over some stupid UNKNOWN movie? (3,000 views at the time).
Rice was a willing mouthpiece for Obama, she sacrificed herself for her false god and now she can pay the price just as a man would. THAT is called equality!
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Cavallo
Nov. 16, 2012 at 5:01pmLooks like the clientele of a upper class lesbian bar.
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BannedByHuffpo
Nov. 16, 2012 at 5:33pmI disagree. Definitely from a LOWER CLASS bar.
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Keatonc333
Nov. 16, 2012 at 5:51pmstill wonder why you lose the women vote?
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Eastinfection
Nov. 16, 2012 at 6:05pmBulls on Parade.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-58-36lSqG4
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mercenary4freedom
Nov. 16, 2012 at 6:27pmJanet Napolotano is missing from that disgusting brainless bunch of bulls
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Benj
Nov. 16, 2012 at 7:16pmMan i thought the same thing when i saw her on the news cozying up to another **** looking woman Is this a sexist remark.No it is my freedom of speach opinion :)
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savagenatn
Nov. 16, 2012 at 7:32pmfunny sh t. yea these ***** slimes need to shut the hell up and worry about doing their pathetic jobs that we pay them for. You stupid morons! Everytime whitey criticizes a whore bag or “person of color” we hear this pathetic garbage. If they did their job worth a damn maybe they wouldn’t face criticism, but incompetent hacks need to be calle dout for what they are, I don’t give a damn what the color or gender (although some of these clowns’ gender is questionalbe)
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phil1765
Nov. 17, 2012 at 7:03amKeatonc333
No but I certainly do wonder about how in the hell with all the problems facing this country that a woman would choose to vote for someone who has absolutely no plan to put us on a path to financial sanity because he will give her free birth control and let her kill a baby up until she is 8 months pregnant. I don’t give a damn if you want to kill your babies or not, as far as I am concerned it is cleansing the gene pool, and that decision is between you and whoever you choose to call your maker but you aren’t going to do it with money from my pocket. As far as providing free birth control because you want to be a player do that on your own dime I don’t expect you to pay for mine, and especially wouldn’t expect a handout from a country that is running a 1.6 trillion dollar per year deficit.
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DEMOCRATS.ARE.EVIL
Nov. 16, 2012 at 4:59pmI’d bet not one of these so-called women could make a decent omelette. They have no real use. Money pits, that’s what they are. Money pits.
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youshuthehellup
Nov. 16, 2012 at 4:59pmnow we know where the majority of green gas emittance is coming from and thats why they almost ALL wear pants!!!
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toiletclogga
Nov. 16, 2012 at 5:43pmImagine snugglin’ up to one of those apes?
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Eastinfection
Nov. 16, 2012 at 6:03pmCan’t wait for the House Swimsuit Issue to come out.
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brtmchl30
Nov. 16, 2012 at 4:58pmWe want equal pay, and equal opportunity! But it’s unfair if we face EQUAL scrutiny. Except if it was Palin, and she did what rice did, she would have been called every name in the book. And You woman standing in that picture wouldn’t have said a damn thing. The difference is Palin would have taken it. Knowing that she did say something stupid. It makes you wonder why it was her in the first place spewing the Big O’s propaganda.
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Capitalist Mama
Nov. 16, 2012 at 5:10pmJudge me based on my actions and my character. I want equality!
I am ashamed of women who even mention their gender in discussing their job performance. How embarrassing for all of us!
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momrules
Nov. 16, 2012 at 5:43pmCapitalist Mama……They don’t embarrass me, I have never used the *woman* card. They shame themselves and every woman they actually speak for. They do not speak for me.
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TSUNAMI_22
Nov. 16, 2012 at 4:56pmNot a single brain cell in the entire line-up.
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PATTY HENRY
Nov. 16, 2012 at 5:04pmGOOD GRIEF!!! It (again) has nothing to do with the color of her skin or her sex… it has to do with the fact that SHE KNOWINGLY LIED.
HILLARY IS A WOMAN, in case they forgot…we didn’t care if SHE was the SofS… DUMBBELLS.
I think the trouble for AMERICA began when EVIL NANCY PIGLOSI took over in 2006 and it continues today. LYING, SNEAKY, PITIFUL person that she is. HISTORY will make her one of the lead culprits in this debacle they have conceived.
RICE LIED. KNOWINGLY. What part of that is too difficult to handle? DANG!!
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TSUNAMI_22
Nov. 16, 2012 at 5:28pm@ PATTY HENRY
I think the trouble for AMERICA began when EVIL NANCY PIGLOSI took over in 2006 and it continues today.
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Remember the evil look she had in her eyes when she took that gavel?
I knew it was all over at that point.
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Steven63
Nov. 16, 2012 at 4:56pmI am just sooo sick and tired of this card being played everytime they get caught doing something wrong.
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rickc34
Nov. 16, 2012 at 5:05pmThey are a group of liars..when they get caught lying it “oh you don’t like me because I’m blah blah blah” . That is their defense to cover their lies.
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Cavallo
Nov. 16, 2012 at 5:08pmIt’s the only card they have.
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KickinBack
Nov. 16, 2012 at 6:31pm-Cavallo
And they’ve printed it into worthlessness :)
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DonaldH
Nov. 16, 2012 at 4:54pmOk Nancy,, I’ll play your silly little game but you forgot one other thing why we oppose her,,, she a LIAR!!!
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HigherRoad
Nov. 16, 2012 at 4:53pmHey, Susan Rice is a big girl! She obviously agreed to the “talking points tour” for Obama. If she felt any moral qualms, she could have spoken up at the time. She is no innocent victim. You can’t assume positions of authority and then cry “foul” when you are held accountable.
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Sterling Hallbrook
Nov. 16, 2012 at 4:53pmHow patently obvious. She was chosen, as with most of Obama’s staff, based on color and/or sex. Perfect insulation from any criticism or illustration of their abject incompetence. There were many other more qualified, knowledgeable persons available for this assignment. Why else would they pick her? They make a deal; she takes the heat for a short time, and boom, she’s SOS.
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Voter713
Nov. 16, 2012 at 4:52pmIf she was WHITE and a MAN this would not be a problem. She is being treated like a “person” not a “black woman”. She was WRONG for lying to us and all the people that want to take up for her ONLY BECAUSE SHE IS A BLACK WOMAN are wrong! They too are trying to protect the cover up Obama got caught in. This just disgusts me!
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DonaldH
Nov. 16, 2012 at 4:52pmAnd one thing more,, I’ve seen Rice,, and I’m not sure what race she is,, so I doubt I can be all that up in the racist thing with her… These people really are starting to P*SS me off
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edubble21
Nov. 16, 2012 at 4:50pmWow…the House Dems sure have some….{large gulp}….real lookers, don’t they?
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WarMunger_Al
Nov. 16, 2012 at 4:57pmcan’t we just shoot these idiots already? Why does any criticism have to be chalked up to sexism or racism? Why can’t it be that these f’ed up in public and are being called on it?
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brtmchl30
Nov. 16, 2012 at 5:00pmThis article is completly wrong anyway. Isn’t that Newt Gingrich third on the left?
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rickc34
Nov. 16, 2012 at 5:00pmUgly bitter old hags…is this what you meant to say?
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DadRocked
Nov. 16, 2012 at 5:07pmWell put – women of congress calendar coming out next month – order yours today!
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NancyBee
Nov. 16, 2012 at 11:19pmI would not want to be a part of this crowd of women…..sick sick….they will lie about anything!!! The repubs…… NEED TO STAND UP TO THIS NONSENSE
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msconstrue
Nov. 16, 2012 at 4:50pmlook, if she cant stand the heat, she better stay out of the kitchen!!…and the rest of ‘em too!!
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65Mustang
Nov. 16, 2012 at 4:50pmWell, who didn’t see this coming? Susan Rice is the recipient, like a–hole Obama, of Affirmative Action. She got her job because she is a female and who she knew. She deserves to be fired for lying to the American public…but lying is a job requirement for a Democrat.
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WarMunger_Al
Nov. 16, 2012 at 4:59pmIt isn’t who she knew, but who she b…..
(now that is sexism ! ha ha)
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Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Nov. 16, 2012 at 4:49pmStatistically speaking, it is quite rare to have a group of women of that quantity in one location that not one person would want to have intercourse with. Quite remarkable. However, I’m getting data suggesting that Barney Frank is actually turned on by that white haired thing on the left in the Al Capone Fem-Suit.
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Eastinfection
Nov. 16, 2012 at 6:10pmlol ROTH… you know it’s not a pretty bunch when Pelosi is the “hot” one.
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thegreatcarnac
Nov. 16, 2012 at 4:49pmpelosi and all the girls can eat sheat.
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DonaldH
Nov. 16, 2012 at 4:49pmLook, we aren’t ever going to get a fair debate from the democrats– they are NEVER going to face-up and have an honest discussion with us on anything!! It’s time to just write them off as a lost cause and purge the nation.. I’m tired of trying to find middle ground with them on anything
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ZAP
Nov. 16, 2012 at 4:48pmI don’t care if your black or white.Women get behind your sinks….
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65Mustang
Nov. 16, 2012 at 5:16pmI agree with you. No woman wants to do the job of being the nurturer, putting their family’s welfare first. Because of society demands, mothers have left the home. I won’t mention God, but as the “home goes so goes the nation,” our nation is in complete disarray.
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Gigi42
Nov. 16, 2012 at 8:34pmTrue that, guys. As a woman, it offends me to see other women behaving so un-womanly.
My best life has been lived “in my place”. Nobody else can do what I can for my family. Women have clearly been decieved into thinking high position /power is of more value. No way.
Real power is in the shaping of minds. And I have shaped a small conservative army :) BAM
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BlackCrow
Nov. 16, 2012 at 4:48pmEver read the story about the little boy who cried wolf?
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MAULEMALL
Nov. 16, 2012 at 4:47pmThe only things that could make that group attractive is either a granade or a claymore..
looking at those moose is about the only reason for abortion I could find viable…
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Nerzhul
Nov. 16, 2012 at 4:47pmSigh, its ok gang the dems want women as their slaves too
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