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S.E. Cupp vs. Liberal Nun: A Clip You’ll Probably Want to See

Nov. 16, 2012 7:26am Billy Hallowell

It’s not often you get to see a pundit go head-to-head with a nun, but that’s exactly what unfolded on MSNBC’s “The Cycle” on Thursday. Co-host S.E. Cupp (also co-host of TheBlaze TV’s “Real News”) went up against Sister Simone Campbell, the nun known for her involvement in the “Nuns on the Bus” tour, a Catholic social justice program.

The discussion turned a bit sour when Cupp made some points about welfare. While she started by noting that everyone, conservative and liberal, alike, can get on board with decreasing poverty, the co-host noted some major issues with the welfare system as it currently exists.

S.E. Cupp vs. Sister Simone Campbell on Poverty & Welfare

Photo Credit: MSNBC

“Expanding welfare hasn’t reduced poverty,” Cupp said. “In fact, adding millions to the ranks of welfare has seen poverty explode over the past four years, so what’s the balanced response here?”

Sister Simone was less than pleased with this statement. Rather than offering up the “balanced response” Cupp asked for, the nun attempted to debunk the co-host’s contention.

“Excuse me, but that data is really wrong. Poverty has increased; welfare has not,” she said. “The real culprit here is minimum wage.”

The nun went on to note that “a big percentage of the people in poverty are the folks who are working.” The group she was referring to here is called the “working poor” (individuals who hold jobs, but who are still not making enough money to survive).

Sister Simone said that a minimum wage of $12.50 would be needed to keep people out of the ranks poverty. She also noted that she hopes Cupp doesn’t call her a “loafer” when she begins drawing upon her Social Security, a system the faith leader has paid into for years.

“I didn’t call anyone a loafer,” Cupp responded.

Watch the uncomfortable exchange, below:

(H/T: Mediaite)

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Comments (381)

jungle J
Posted on November 16, 2012 at 8:44am
The nun should get a job and quit stealing from the faithful.

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- Locked
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 9:29am
  I’d rather see nuns like this helping the poor than another mega-church being built. Which do we really think God would approve of more?
  
  But as for her fiscal views? They’re nun-sense.
  
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- 00100111
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 9:48am
  So let’s make minimum wage go to $12.50. Employers pass that cost onto customers. Goods and services increase in cost. Sales go down, profits go down, bottom lines aren’t met, people get laid off or hours cut. Yes, people need a livable wage, but you shouldn’t be paid more than you’re worth. “OH NO! HE SAID PEOPLE AREN’T WORTH BEING PAID!” No, you’re not being paid just because you’re there looking pretty. Companies don’t exist to pay you a wage, they exist to make money. If you have skills, experience, and education a company needs, they’ll pay well you for it. If you’re low skill, you get low pay. If you want more, negotiate. If they don’t want to pay it, apply somewhere else, or suck it up, take the pay and work more hours. Better yourself, take advantage of the programs out there to become skilled and get a better job. I know what it’s like to be working poor. I did what I had to do to get out of that, now I make near 6 figures. It’s not easy, but it is worth it.
  
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- 00100111
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 9:49am
  LOCKED, I doubt this nun physically helps anyone. She goes on political commentary shows and pontificates. She likely demands the govt do all the helping.
  
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- DeOppressoLiber
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 9:55am
  Why do catholics keep going and hanging around people who go against the core teaching of the church. You know that a majority of clergy voted for Obama.
  
  What gives? No I do not throw the baby out with the bath water, I use my God give free will to make a judgement on what is right here on earth, and remove the baby (save the innocent) then I throw out the dirty water.
  
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- 1peachy_mama
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 10:05am
  @00100111 – Good points! The problem lies in that people would be required to take RESPONSIBILITY for themselves. (WHAT??!!….parish the thought! **sarcasm**)
  
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- Quiata
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 10:13am
  The church has been hijacked by left-wingers (yes, nuns and priests) who vicariously enjoy witnessing the power of mandatory tithing (err, taxation).
  
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- Blacktooth
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 10:36am
  Now we are giving YOU orders, brothers, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, to withdraw from every brother walking disorderly and not according to the tradition YOU received from us.7For YOU yourselves know the way YOU ought to imitate us, because we did not behave disorderly among YOU8nor did we eat food from anyone free. To the contrary, by labor and toil night and day we were working so as not to impose an expensive burden upon any one of YOU.9Not that we do not have authority, but in order that we might offer ourselves as an example to YOU to imitate us.10In fact, also, when we were with YOU, we used to give YOU this order: “If anyone does not want to work, neither let him eat.”11For we hear certain ones are walking disorderly among YOU, not working at all but meddling with what does not concern them.12To such persons we give the order and exhortation in [the] Lord Jesus Christ that by working with quietness they should eat food they themselves earn.
  (2 Thessalonians 3:6-12)
  
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- by faith
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 10:41am
  Blessed Mother Teresa did it right…she walked the walk and did the work herself
  
  Sister Simone Campbell wants the government and everyone else to do it for her
  
  Which one do you think is closer to Jesus’ teachings?
  
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- VanceUppercut
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 10:51am
  Wow, seeing this kind-hearted nun debate with a black-hearted atheist almost makes me want to join the church.
- Lotus503
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 10:57am
  Another case of someone without a real life telling people with real lives how they should live their lives.
  
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- eric6161
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 11:10am
  God had a perfect plan for welfare and it’s spelled out in His holy word. Unfortunately this nun, like any non-Christian, doesn’t want to hear the thoughts of God. God ordered the landowners and farmers to harvest their fields in a circular motion as the corners were for the poor, hungry, and traveler. He also ordered that any food that was harvested were to fall out of the harvestors hands it was not to be picked up as that too was for the poor, hungry, and travelor. This was known as the gleaning of the fields. God never ordered the government to send out checks as their was no reward in getting a check…their is reward in working albeit that this work might be a bit harder than sitting in front of your TV while shopping with your EBT card.
  
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- NeoFan
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 11:16am
  The Nun has a job. She is an employee of the Catholic Church. She is being paid to represent the Catholic Church.
  
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- GunSlingerTexas
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 11:17am
  The reason I gave up being a church going Catholic and NO LONGER DONATES to the church, socialist agenda. MOST of the People who work for minimum wage are the same people who did not pay attention in school, are the same people who refused to better themselves, are the same people who thought doing drugs was cool, are the same people who were never responsible for themselves, are the same people who could not keep their legs closed before they were married and had a job, are the same people who stuck their ****** in any girl that couldn’t keep their legs closed, are the same people who still live in their parents house and do not work or help out around the house. They are the same people who sit around and say i want more and there are too many rich people, they are the problems in this world. I have not worked for minimum wage since I was in high school. I did not go to college and I now have a 100G job which started out as a 40G job 16 years ago. I have worked since the age of 12 in everything from cleaning up a butcher shop to paper routes. There is no excuse for any of this. It is only an excuse for allowing people to not be responsible for their actions in life. MOST People are poor because they refuse to do the things that would make them wealthy.
  
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- My Two Cents
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 11:35am
  If Sister Campbell would like to buy my business she could pay her employees whatever she wants, at least up until the point that she comes to the realization that running a business to make other people comfortable is dumb, or she runs out of money to pay her operating expenses.
  
  What the good sister and others like her can’t get through their thick heads is that people like me who struggled to start our businesses did so to put money in our own pockets and not someone else’s.
  
  It’s really a very simple concept.
  
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- Platonician
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 11:40am
  Unfortunately many Catholic “nuns” in America have strayed from the Catholic Church teachings and values. This is the result of protestant, feminist and communist influence.
  
  The Pope is addressing the problem but in the meantime we should stop considering them Catholics. I just hope the Pope will excommunicate them.
  http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/19/us/vatican-reprimands-us-nuns-group.html?_r=0
  
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- getitgotitgood
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 11:50am
  I dont understand who the hell thinks secupp is a conservative. CAnt stand her voice fluctuations and the fact it takes her so long to make a point that i forget what she is really trying say.
  
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- KevINtampa
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 12:18pm
  LOL!
  
  Beck was right!
  
  This nun basically said that we have rampant inflation and therefore must drastically increase the minimum wage…
  
  About time the lefties start to wake up to what happens when you print and borrow; too bad they’ve only now come to realize it AFTER they doubled down on Bushie’s printing and borrowing. Sigh.
  
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- libertylion
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 12:47pm
  Unfortunately, the Marxist dogma “social justice” has made its way into Catholic teachings. I don’t know how collective dogma has made it into the teachings of Christ, but they are there.
  
  I taught religious education for several years in the Catholic church and had discussions w/the people at the church responsible for the religious materials. They don’t know the origins of “social justice” and just assume it is part of the principles of Christ. I don’t know how widespread the social justice teaching is w/in the Church, but I fear it infiltrates many of the dioceses.
  
  Very odd and disappointing.
  
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- afishfarted
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 12:52pm
  This makes it obvious that putting on a habbit does not make you any smarter. Ok, so yeah the minimum wage in the ’70′s kept folks out of poverty. I’ll gve her that. But then, the tax rates on EVERY thing was lower, and i’m forgeting the “adjusted for inflation” argument. Govt tax on gasoline has tripled, food tax in mos stateshave tripled, hidden federal tax has skyrocketed. The problme isn’t that employers aren;t apying enough, th problem is government is taking too much. Sheesh, that’s a no brainer
  
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- Agentmulder
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 12:58pm
  I love cupp…..so hot.
  
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- 4XGrace
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 1:03pm
  That crazy Nun is a nut case. She offered no proof to debunk S.E. and chose instead to confuse the very clear points S.E. made. You’re right, the NuT should find a real job. She is obviously so delusional about reality that she needs a good dose of it. That’s 99% of the problem with teachers, professors, civil servants and union bosses and their members (Hostess); they can’t touch reality for fear of dirtying their pristine hands with the filth of the world.
  
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- TH30PH1LUS
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 1:04pm
  But Peter said, “I don’t have any silver or gold for you. But I’ll give you what I have. In the name of Jesus Christ the Nazarene, get up and walk!” (Acts 3:6)
  
  When the followers of Jesus Christ STOP leaning on political power to accomplish their spiritual assignments, they may discover what the Apostle Peter did – that God’s power is greater, more efficient, and free from the entanglements of greed and pride.
  
  The nun has no business demanding minimum wage from anyone. She obviously has no understanding of business. Repent and return to your first love!
  
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- TomSawyer
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 1:13pm
  It is important that no one implement the nuns wrong idea that increasing minimum wage will reduce poverty. Our minimum wage is more than the average wage in Asia, that means jobs will move overseas with great certainty. The nun is completely wrong.
  
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- Salvelinus
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 1:31pm
  ****Plato said it correctly – Stop basing Catholics (especially you Protestant clowns)****
  http://www.churchmilitant.tv
  
  Unfortunately many Catholic “nuns” in America have strayed from the Catholic Church teachings and values. This is the result of protestant, feminist and communist influence.
  
  The Pope is addressing the problem but in the meantime we should stop considering them Catholics. I just hope the Pope will excommunicate them.
  http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/19/us/vatican-reprimands-us-nuns-group.html?_r=0
  
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- KIWL-DA-WABBIT
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 1:35pm
  00100111 These companies could afford to pay workers 12.50 if the big executives would take a cut to their millions and hundreds of millions they get, the big shots make all of the money when the poor grunts who actually cause the profits to be made do all of the actual work, I do not believe in OWS, but I have actually worked for companies in which I paid them to work, While their owners made billions, somethinfg is definitely wrong!
  
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- mammamaz
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 1:49pm
  You are mistaken. I am not catholic, but work in a catholic organization. The nuns I work with are very focused and hard-working. One Sister recently retired and they had to hire two people to replace–she was 75!
  
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- anothercomment
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 1:56pm
  @BY FAITH
  Well stated. Thanks
  
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- ranepowel
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 1:59pm
  If people are unskilled then they are force to work for less money. If they make less money they have less opportunity to BECOME skilled. Tell me, geniuses of the Right Wing, how is a guy with a high school education supposed to ever break out of the low-income bracket when he can’t afford to go to school to get better educated?
  
  “Well, personal responsibility, and blah blah blah, he just stays poor lol my daddy paid for my college so I get to cr@p all over poor people for the rest of my life in the name of conservative values.”
  
  You people make me sick.
  
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- isobamamadd
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 2:01pm
  Minimum wage is not the problem,Govt regulation and intervention is the problem. Every increase in the Minimum wage is instantly evaporated in higher costs for goods and services.The problem is CEO’s and upper Management Getting outrageous pay and Benefits. all add to the cost,and price us out of the Global market. High energy costs,Law suits,EPA and OSHA, don’t help either!
  
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- afishfarted
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 2:23pm
  @ranepowel
  Hang on, I’ll go get you a vomit bag. But it’ll cost ya $12.50.
  
  By you whiney reply, you imply that the successful business that built this nation were all college grads. Michael Dell dropped out of college. Ford didn’t finish high school. Soros washed dishes. The list goes on and on. The one thing these businessmen–and women–have in common is they didn’t rely on someone else making them rich. They had initiative. Is that word not in your vocabulary?
  
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- blickquickly
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 2:27pm
  Its funny she thinks the minimum wage should be over $12 a hour to “stay out of poverty”, Because I make $10 and hour, and I dont qualify for ANY GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE OF ANY KIND. I make “too much” money. I would love for her to point out the programs that are designed for me, “cuz I needs the free stuff yo”.
  
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- Chuck Stein
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 3:37pm
  Let socialism be socialism and let capitalism be capitalism.
  No more increases to the minimum wage (with big inflation about to start, that is effectively eliminating the minimum wage) so that capitalism can allocate resources to production in a properly efficient market-driven manner.
  Use the earned income tax credit to meet the popular demand for socialism (and to address the never-ending argument for minimum wage hikes that it needs to “support a family of 4″).
  A cross between capitalism and socialism bears worthless fruit.
  
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- afishfarted
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 4:46pm
  And here’s another observation that few seem to see. Whenever the minumum rate is raised, taxes on cigarettes and liquor are raised. Or if you seena raise in tax, wages are raised. They go hand in hand simply as a way for the govt to further bilk the low income. Stastistics show that it’s the lower wage earner that smoke and drink more heavily. So now next time wages are raised, you watch. Sin tax is right on it’s heels
  
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- VRW Conspirator
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 4:57pm
  @DEOPPRESSIOBLER
  
  this organization is no longer sanctioned by the RCC in general of the American RCC..there are quite a few leftist, social justice, progressive agenda organizations that used to be part of the RCC but were told to cease and desist their “opening political” activities instead of focusing on the charity and good works condoned by the RCC.. like orphanages and schools in the third world, feeding the hungry, running not for profit hospitals and universities….
  
  people hear Catholic and start to babble on about how the RCC is in bed with the Progressives or were with the Nazis or Commies and just make themselves look stupid….the RCC has done a LOT of work to remove those groups from the fold….
  
  have Catholics voted more for the Dem then GOP in the last 30 years…yes…not since Reagan has a GOP candidate won the Catholic vote…it started with Kennedy…many Kennedy Democrats are Catholics and voted as Reagan Democrats in the 80′s…..but now…Catholics are predominantly Hispanic and getting more so…and Hispanics vote for the Dem’s almost 60-40…so it is actually not bad that Catholics only voted Obama 54-46% last time and barely over 52% this time…
  
  just remember that even Protestants and Evangelicals voted almost 45-55% for Obama…. and collectively there are more of them than there are Catholics…
  
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- freedomfighters
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 5:08pm
  Masquerading as a Catholic! Thanks for exposing what her REAL god is: the “Golden Calf” of communism. Another “Joe Biden Catholic” who does NOT represent what true Catholics believe. Be sure to ask your parish priest who is funding her bus when she shows up in YOUR town…
  
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- VRW Conspirator
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 5:12pm
  @RANEPOWEL
  
  even though I know you will never read this or if you do respond with any coherent message…here you go…
  1 – my grandfather only had a high school education but spent 4 years fighting for his country in WW II in the belly of a submarine…he came out of that and went into aircraft engine manufacturing and made a GOOD living until he retired….
  2 – my grandmothers…both of them…never got more than a high school education and BOTH worked and retired and never wanted for anything…one was even divorced and rose to be the Executive Secretary of a multi-million dollar construction company and RAN jobsites well into her 50′s….
  3 – 95% of my entire family is blue collar and NEVER went to college..save my dad…and they all made high 5 figure salaries
  4 – my wife dropped out of high school…only has her GED…and has worked in sales for nearly 16 years and at times was making mid 5 figures
  5 – my two oldest step sons both only have GEDs and both entered the Army…one is still in..in Afghanistan…defending your IDIOT mouth and the words that come out of it… WHY…because I would not let them just sit and smoke out and drink with their loser friends… I put them on a path to success…and they will NEVER be a burden on society or claim welfare..they will pay their own way.. in fact my son in the Army just paid 8K for a car and still has an equal amount in his account….
  
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- Billdoor
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 5:22pm
  Taking pay for preaching is called priestcraft.
  It is strictly forbidden in scripture.
  A real man or woman of God does not foreswear his greatest gift and responsibility in this life:
  
  Family
  
  Monasticism is of the devil.
  The paid clergy is full of perverts, freeloaders, and out of touch ideologues.
  You cannot achieve all God desires for you alone.
  “Call no man father … ”
  
  I know there are good catholic people, and even some misguided clergy, but you must turn a blind eye to thousands of years of history to think god has a role in that giant mess of a church.
  
  I have dearly loved family who are catholic and will be judged by their hearts to be good, but if you know it is wrong and continue to do something out of love for tradition, you are the path of the pharisees. Will you reject the truth because change is hard?
  
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- VRW Conspirator
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 5:40pm
  @Billdoor
  
  so what church do you attend…I GUARANTEE that the pastor there is higher paid than 90% of the Catholic priests and nuns in the RCC…they live in homes and builds that are owned by the RCC… NOT bought…usually left to the RCC in a will of a parishioners…they drive cars that are donated as well… usually only having 1 vehicle for every 3-5 clergy….they receive SMALL monthly stipends to pay utilities, food, and energy/gas costs if they don’t live on the grounds of the church they pastor and serve…
  this MYTH of the RCC being a bunch of rich clergy, corrupted by money and power and politics is a JOKE put out by evangelicals and protestants that love to claim Catholics don’t practice what the Bible says as they spew HATRED and JUDGEMENT on the Catholics..something the Bible EXPLICITLY says NOT TO DO! to anyone…
  yes the RCC has wealth..most of it from the artwork, knowledge, manuscripts, and land DONATED to them over the last 1600 years…YES there are periods of darkness in the history of the RCC as there is in ANY organization…but for the most part…90% of the clergy are living off a few $100 a month devoting their LIVES to charity work, acts of faith, preaching to the poor, sick, innocent, and faithful, and turning the other cheek to ARROGANT, SELF RIGHTEOUS, LEGALISTIC people like you.. and you DARE call Catholics Pharisees?? SHAME!!
  
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- Tonto USA
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 5:44pm
  The failure to actually answer the question is a common ploy which firmly indicates that the questioned person is a socialist professional shill. This is what they do. They answer by digressing far away from the question asked in a manner that distracts and offers more questions about thinly related material, but not that specifically included in the question….right out of “Rules for Radicals” and a pretty cheap shot. They do this on TV to “Run out the clock”….because rather than get inned to the wall with truth, and knowing the time constraints of TV, they run circles without answering directly…..which would demonstrate the pure BS of their position.
  
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- afishfarted
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 5:45pm
  @VRW Conspirator
  
  out STANDING bloodline. MUCH admiration from here. This is THE perfect example of what whiners like RANEPOWEL lack; disciplined heritage passed down from their fathers. Much admiration.
  
  and tell the kid thanks from all us vets and civilian patriots who’ve gone before
  
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- Tonto USA
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 5:46pm
  This broad is obviously a fake. The commie shills commonly use this ploy of babbling some somewhat related ka-ka while carefully avoiding the question asked…..see “Rules for Radicals”
  
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- kenboo1
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 6:52pm
  This is a prime example of the church abdicating their responsibility to the government… She should be making people feel uneasy in their poverty and helping them gain skills to warrant a higher wage or own the business…
  
  When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic. Ben Franklin… Are we there yet???? I think we are close…
  
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- TransmitToVladmir
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 7:29pm
  “S.E. Cupp vs. Liberal Nun”
  
  One doesn’t believe in (any) God and the other doesn’t believes in (the true) God. They have more in common than they think …
  
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- Catherine A.
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 10:59pm
  I’m a conservative and a practicing Catholic, but it’s not fair to say Sister Simone needs to “get a job” and “quit stealing from the faithful.” She HAS a job, and she is not stealing. It’s remarks like this that give all conservatives a bad name.
  
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- Thomas_Jefferson
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 11:16pm
  @jungle J
  
  That woman is no more a Nun than I am & my plumbing is on the outside.
  She is a socialists operative that joined the church not to serve God but Stalin by
  subverting & twisting Christian ideology & values.
  
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- phil1765
  Posted on November 17, 2012 at 12:40am
  What was the freaking nun talking about anyway, social security is not a welfare program. Social security was paid in by people through their working lives as a supposed safety net for when they reached retirement age. Disability is another story, giving a 28 y/o disability because they are fat however is a welfare program and has gone nuts over the last few years.
  
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- phil1765
  Posted on November 17, 2012 at 12:57am
  ranepowel
  you are a freaking moron. I don’t have a college education, what college I do have I paid for while working full time and going to school. I figured out that going to school wasn’t my thing and joined the military and learned a trade. I now make over 70k a year and raised 3 kids on the salary that I made. Not having a college degree doesn’t saddle you with minimum wage jobs, only you can do that by not striving to acheive something better. Cruel fact here you whiny little twit, no one owes you $12.50 to flip a burger it wouldn’t even be feasible to try and pay everyone that, get off your lazy ass and learn a trade and improve your lot in life and quit whining for someone else to do it for you!
  
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- ObamaForward_OverTheCliff
  Posted on November 17, 2012 at 3:55am
  @phil1765
  
  I really hate to break this to you but … you’re wrong about “Social Security”.
  
  SS has been “broke” (as in “funds missing”) from before most of us were born. SS is a government conducted “pyramid scheme” (you know, the kind that would land you in jail for fraud if you conducted a business that way) and it was designed as precisely that, by the Progressives-communists as part of their “100 year” plan to financially collapse America.
  
  Glenn Beck gives an EYE OPENING rundown on what you NEED to know about this:
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y03b4kHais
  “Washington’s DELIBERATE ECONOMIC EARTHQUAKE Exposed By Glenn Beck :: Then ReBOOT USA To Communism!”
  
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- phil1765
  Posted on November 17, 2012 at 6:14am
  ObamaForward_OverTheCliff
  I don’t know what you read from my post but I never said that social security was solvent but it is not a welfare program per se, money is taken from our checks every month to be a hedge for our retirement years it is not a give away program. Has every penny been spent by ignorant politicians for the last 50 years hell yes it has, and any politician saying that the program is solvent is full of $hit. It was an ill conceived program from the beginning and once the politicians figured out that they could steal from it, it became a ponzi scheme of the worst order. In no way, shape or form was I defending a program which I will never receive my just compensation from, I have been saying that it should have been phased out years ago, but doing anything like that makes politicians sweat too much, having hearings about professional sports figures taking steroids is a much more important and pressing issue facing our nation for example.
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on November 17, 2012 at 11:00am
  The Catholic church IS the source of the false prophet of Revelation…..Socialist world governance. The current pope is an unrepentant Nazi. http://www.remnantofgod.org/Rev17.12.htm
  
  This nun is just following the unholy push for the rise of Satan’s reign.
  
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- rharmony
  Posted on November 17, 2012 at 2:12pm
  Locked you’re relating apples with oranges!
  
  Jungle J. This is the same “nun” that said Ryan’s budget plan went against the Catholic Church teaching. She has discredited her self many times, why is she still on as a “spokesperson” for anything? She puts on a habit, and then denies the teaching of the Church. What a hypocrite.
  
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- napoleon_solo
  Posted on November 17, 2012 at 4:20pm
  Loafing on the Lord.
  
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- LDSmommy
  Posted on November 17, 2012 at 11:57pm
  RANE: I know you’re still young, frustrated and liberal but please, do you really think everyone here has a rich mommy and daddy that helped us along in life and that’s why we’re conservative? You are very, very wrong. I understand that you are so naive that you actually believe that in certain counties, 100% of the people voted for Obama? Now, does that make sense to you? Really? Well, no matter.
  Let me answer your question for you. You were wondering how a guy with no money and just a high school education was supposed to better himself without having the money to go to college. I take it your family lost their jobs/source of income in your senior year? Because as far as I can see, it must be a fairly new thing or you would have known since 9th grade that you had to work your **** off and get scholarships, right? My kids knew. How about community college? Missouri has great community colleges. Unless you change your attitude, you will remain where you are. Not saying “Go conservative!” Just saying that you need to depend on YOU to better YOU. Sometimes it sucks.
  
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- LDSmommy
  Posted on November 18, 2012 at 12:26am
  VRW Conspirator: Thank you. Your family is a blessing to this country.
  
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- Billdoor
  Posted on November 19, 2012 at 9:48pm
  @VRW CONSPIRATOR
  
  Clearly missed the point.
  I expressed my love for catholic people, I should even include some of the clergy. As I said, I have family who are catholic. I love them, and would be surprised if they were not in heaven when/if I get there.
  As to my church. We have no paid clergy. If your living is dependent on your audience, your sermon will be subject to that consideration. All respect goes to any preacher/priest/nun whomever will say what they believe at the cost of their livelihood, if it is true.
  You need some anger management.
  I am a veteran. I believe in god. I believe in proselyting. I believe you should obey god’s commands, namely “be fruitful and multiply.”
  I don’t hate Catholics, or judge them. I just think if tradition keeps you from truth, pride and laziness are the real obstacles.
  
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- Billdoor
  Posted on November 19, 2012 at 9:55pm
  BTW. Glossing over 1600 years of history as some dark periods, slight understatement.
  
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shephound
Posted on November 16, 2012 at 8:44am
In 1967, we had the Flying Nun. in 2012, we have the Lying Nun.

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- rickc34
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 9:01am
  Funny but true. lying Nun.
  
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- DeOppressoLiber
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 9:06am
  Good old Catholics trying to do Gods work here on earth, the road to hell is paved by Catholics with misguided intentions.
  
  They are treading only where God should tread, do mans work in the name of God. Trying to make Heaven on earth where everyone is equal and taken care of. Not possible because of human nature, so then as history shows it will come down to force to get man to do what you want them to do, interfering with free will, that God has given everyone.
  
  Do not force people to take care of the poor and sick let them use free will to help. That is the free will test.
  
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- Torimom
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 11:20am
  Lying Communist masquerading as a Nun.
  
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- Platonician
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 11:40am
  Unfortunately many Catholic “nuns” in America have strayed from the Catholic Church teachings and values. This is the result of protestant, feminist and communist influence.
  
  The Pope is addressing the problem but in the meantime we should stop considering them Catholics. I just hope the Pope will excommunicate all of them.
  http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/19/us/vatican-reprimands-us-nuns-group.html?_r=0
  
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turlingdrome
Posted on November 16, 2012 at 8:42am
i thought the libertarian lost the debates that let us to a liberal & conservative on the ticket….you got to get over the us vs them mentality…in the end we all losing.

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Fonz777
Posted on November 16, 2012 at 8:32am
the nun hat doesn’t make what’s false true

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Mtommelleo
Posted on November 16, 2012 at 8:29am
Umm, first of all….wow to the nun. Talk about ignorance.
Someone who Clearly doesn’t know about the effects of a
Minimum wage. First off, relatively high minimum wages
Are one of the main contributors to high unemployment,
Particularly in the black community. Why? We provide
Them with lousy schooling which leaves them unqualified
To hold a job with a decent wage. Next, we deny them the on
The job training by forcing a high minimum wage. Which
Forces companies to hire less people and leaves them
Unqualified to move onto another higher paying job instead
of Being a productive member of society. Companies like
McDonald’s not only hires less people, but they charge higher
Hamburger prices to allocate the wages. having a relatively
Low minimum wage will allow McDonald’s to hire a broader
Base of people while having low product prices. And not just
McDonald’s by the way! I’m a believer of freedom first …
And to maximize freedom, we have to minimize coercion .

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- CWPrequired
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 9:00am
  2+2=4 in any school. When we start pointing the blame at the parents instead of the school system,things will change. Too bad that will never happen because when you do, you get called a racist.
  
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- ex_nihilo
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 9:48am
  Right on… we have to explain this stuff. Further, mandating a minimum wage does not make a particular job worth that much. If you tell me I have to pay $12 an hour to get something done that is only worth $7 to me, then that $7 opportunity will go away.
  
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- CaptainCaveman
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 11:08am
  “We provide them with lousy schooling” Wrong. They are lousy students. When we look at the international PISA scores that ranks the U.S. against other nations after it’s been broken down by race, we see that White and Asian students in the U.S. rank above all other nations. It’s only after Black and Hispanic students are included in the overall average that we see the United States’ rankings plummet. Stop with the liberal tripe that “our schools are failing the kids!” America spends more per student than any other industrialized nation. It’s the kids that are failing the schools, not the other way around.
  
  Google “PISA scores by race”, if you want to see this fact.
  
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- usedCZARsalesman
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 11:14am
  you would THINK it would be easy to get…look at the states with the highest state min wages (NY, CA, ect) and compare their economic situation with those that follow the smaller federal minimum wage…this is one of those situations like once your finger gets so close to your nose it touches, you can no longer see your finger
  
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tonkaslim
Posted on November 16, 2012 at 8:27am
What difference does the minimum wage make if there are no jobs? Look up fatuous, Sister.

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Exile
Posted on November 16, 2012 at 8:25am
Religious people like this and liberals in general are rock solid proof that there is no god.

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- muffythetuffy
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 8:43am
  WELL THERE IS A GOD
  
  The Catholic Church has always supported tyranny for some reason. A Tyrant need only offer to fund Catholic institutions and they support the tyrant. At one time the Catholic Church was against Democracies.
  
  In the late 1950s, Bishop Sheen stated on one of his programs that the Catholic Church had been infiltrated by the Demonic and he feared what the Church would look like in the future.
  
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- joboww
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 10:53am
  That people say stupid things proves nothing about God only that some people remain ignorant about economic issues
  To say the Church supports tyrants for any reason is blatantly false. I would ask for examples but I already know what you want to say (ie: crusades, inquisition, etc.) Each of these is more complicated then people make them out to be and can in fact be defended as just and right, but because these events have been so distorted since both the protestant revolt and the so called enlightenment we are given straw men which seem to be well based until you actually ask not for opinions but facts at the time of the action.
  If your tyrant comment is about bad people giving funds to the church that does not mean that the church supports all that they do, the church is there to call sinners to repentance and bring them into the fullness of truth. If a person gives alms to the poor or the church that is a gift that does not guarantee anything other than gratitude. The Church is for Sinners and Saints, not for the mushy middle.
  
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- joboww
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 10:54am
  Third to say that the Catholic Church was at one time against democracies takes the situation out of context. Democracies always lead to tyrannies and you can see examples of this throughout the history of the world, so yeah the Church was skeptical because you need an informed public to maintain a democracy, something that the Church has worked toward from the beginning was educating people which would eventually allow for an informed public that could maintain such a political structure, but as you can see even an educated public wont guarantee a wise public especially when free things can be given away for votes.
  Venerable ArchBishop Sheen indeed did say that the Demonic had infiltrated the Church, that however does not mean that it controls her, as Pope Paul the 6th said the smoke of Satan has entered the church and its obvious to see the madness that infected the minds of religious and lay folk alike in the church following the council, not b/c of it. However the teaching has not changed and all Catholics are bound to follow the Holy Fathers teachings which if they had been followed problems would not have resulted. More info on this look up Pope Leo XIII vision, Don Bosco Vision, Saint Pope Pius X vision and the visions of Catherine Anne Emerich.
  
  That should help some,
  
  God Bless
  
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- VRW Conspirator
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 5:59pm
  @JOBOWW
  
  good to know someone else is educated enough to stop all the evangelical Calvinist garbage that is out there…like the Calvary Church network….
  
  John Wesley…and the Wesleyan network of churchs…have NO problem with the RCC and even Wesley himself said he LOVES the RCC for their charity and faith based works and the dogmatic and traditional practices were no big thing if the mission and mindset was still looking towards the heart of God and the teachings of Christ. Wesley caught flak from his own ministers that were preaching about the RCC being the “whore of Babylon” and such….he told them to stop and many left the network…because they knew he was right but their pride and shame made them scurry to the shadows and continue to spread falsehood against the RCC (a believe there is a Commandment about that somewhere on a tablet of stone written by the finger of God)
  
  the RCC might not be perfect throughout all time…but they have done more to save the freedom and liberty of Mankind than any other organization in the history of the world and without them there would have been no opportunity for 58 men to gather in Philadelphia in 1775 and 1776 and 1789 and pen the Declaration and Constitution and give the world the USA….
  
  before Hitler was killing Jews…he rounded up the priests, nuns, and Catholic people and KILLED all those that refused to side with him – 400,000 dead
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on November 17, 2012 at 6:40pm
  http://www.remnantofgod.org/Rev17.12.htm#lnx
  
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DrunkGOP_Hack
Posted on November 16, 2012 at 8:24am
Fritard nuns…

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ckokkola
Posted on November 16, 2012 at 8:24am
A livable wage for everyone is a fallacy. If everyone made a livable wage the price of all goods and services would increase thus making the current livable wage unlivable.

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- DrunkGOP_Hack
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 8:49am
  She’s a nun. She lives on the churches dime. She wouldn’t know any about costs for goods and services in the real world
  
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- Dismayed Veteran
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 9:22am
  When I was in college, the minimum wage was $1.10. For $5.00 you could take a date to MD’s, put $1.00 worth of gas ($0.25/hour) and go to a movie ($0.35/person). Sounds cheap doesn’t it. It wasn’t. That date cost me 5 hours of labor in a part-time 20 hour workweek.
  
  Raising the minimum wage doesn’t reduce poverty.
  
  Stupid nun and I am Catholic.
  
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- 00100111
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 9:51am
  “If everyone made $1,000,000/yr…how much would a loaf of bread cost?”
  
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- Tractorboy
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 1:02pm
  Good thread, you guys got it, progressives will never understand your code talk, BTW my first job $1.15 hr. mucked out cow stalls, bailed hay, picked crops, the horrors. I think if you want to even have a chance at getting a dirty hippie progressive to understand economics you need to use starbucks as a example, Example one/ dirty hippie one earns $12.35 hour, X number of hours, lets use 10hrs. total = $123.50(BTW not adding in,unemployment, insurance, workers comp,etc.etc.Dirty hippies usually think boss man just takes all that money home at end of day and buys big screens) that’s a lot of cups of overly priced crappy tasting coffee that MUST be sold, Because you keep running at a loss, or at cost, the company dies, PROFIT= company staying in business. “Clue” the folks who posted above know this, if min. wage goes to $12.35 across the board there will not be many coffee shops left around, a few, but most people will not have the disposable income to buy coffee out……Maybe this helps to clue in the clueless. God Bless
  
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taintso
Posted on November 16, 2012 at 8:18am
Get the government out of the charity/welfare business, let the churches and communities give out the freebees. You would find that less people are dependent on it when there are not votes to be purchased.
Just think if you didn’t want drug infested ghettos in your community you just don’t build and support them.

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Rickfromillinois
Posted on November 16, 2012 at 8:09am
Why stop at $12.50 an hour? Don’t these poor people people deserve to be part of the middle-class? Don’t they deserve to have some of the nicer things in life? Why not make minimum wage $50.00 an hour? Then a whole lot of people will live better! Think of all of the people it would benefit! I am sure that no one would complain about paying $30.00 for a big mac.

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- muffythetuffy
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 8:22am
  IS SHE IS NOT A REAL NUN?
  
  I am Catholic and every time I drive by a Catholic Church or go to Mass on Sunday I get angry knowing that over 60 percent of Catholics voted for Obama. If Christ came back to Earth, these Catholics would crucify him this time. How many German Catholics voted for Chancellor Hitler?
  
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- muffythetuffy
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 8:35am
  MORE AMERICAN CATHOLICS VOTED FOR OBAMA THAN GERMAN CATHOLICS VOTED FOR HITLER
  
  Would this Nun have voted for Hitler? German Catholics knew what Hitler had in mind because he wrote his book while in prison. Obama has his books too.
  
  Every Sunday while at Mass I am sick knowing that over 60 percent of my fellow Catholics voted for Obama.
  
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- Zwolle
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 8:49am
  @ MuffyTuffy
  
  “Every Sunday while at Mass I am sick knowing that over 60 percent of my fellow Catholics voted for Obama.”
  _______________________
  Me too!
  
  Z
  
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- grimmster
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 9:02am
  Doesnt the bible tell us that God will provide? I guess the nun here isnt a believer, at least not in God above, but the “god” of govt…..Stupid idiot…..
  
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- chucksue351
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 9:35am
  make everyone a millionaire, that will solve the problem, but who is going to go to work
  
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- Cavallo
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 9:52am
  @Muffy, At what point would one recognize that a denomination has turned from God? If a church changed doctrine or supported the murder of children, but called it God’s will, would one leave that church? What about advocating the destruction of a certain class of people or the theft of their property? What is the threshold to recognize evil. Not to say that the Catholic Church has turned from God, but to think that the church is not susceptible to corruption and the infiltration of evil is to abandon ones own reason and God given conscience. I used to be a huge supporter of the Catholic Church.. until Nov 6th, but now it seems they no longer desire my support, so I withdraw it. Whatever the fascist state delivers upon them is their own fault.
  
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- Redwing1
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 10:21am
  Make a tshirt that says, ” 60% of the people sitting in this church right now voted for Obama. So much for protecting the unborn. You 60% are Catholic in name only.”
  
  Make it and wear it. I did.
  
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- joboww
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 11:10am
  @Cavallo
  Your setting up a false dichotomy. The Chuch doesn’t play politics like protestants. Her teachings do not change they are set in stone from the time Christ gave them to his followers. The Church claims infallibility on issues of faith and morals, not science or economics, but morals do play into economics because whatever you do do to the least of my brethren you do unto me. No that does not mean the only way to take care of the poor is to set up a massive bureaucracy thereby eliminating the individuals responsibility to be there but there is here more of a question of what is the best way to go about helping the poor and institutions that can funnel goods and money help in many instances.
  To say that the church is susceptible to corruption is a broad statement. From a bottom up approach sure, there are bad laymen, priests, Bishops even Popes but the teaching has never changed, not even under the bad Popes because Christ gives his Church the divine promise that the Gates of Hell will not prevail, that he who hears you hears me. Remember to the a conscience alone if not properly formed is useless. A Catholic does not submit to anyone for any given reason but to the one whom Christ gave the authority to, Peter.
  
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- joboww
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 11:14am
  We thank you for your past support but if you are so blind to realize that people do dumb things regardless of what they represent no one can help you. By the way we are not a denomination, we are the One Holy Catholic and Aposolic Church that Christ founded for all time as noted in holy writ, which you are welcome we wrote, compiled, published and preserved until Martin Luther decided he didn’t like parts of it for personal reasons. Corruption has always been in the church as the lord said weeds and grain would both be present, but his teaching remains unchanged thanks to the Gift of Peter
  
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- Torimom
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 11:26am
  Muffy, I am Catholic too, and that statistic sickens me as well. I would bet that the Catholic vote for Obama came from a mixture of Cafeteria Catholics like Pelosi and Biden (and my sister-in-law), along with Hispanic Catholics thinking that Santa Obama is going to give them amnesty and more gubmint freebees.
  
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- eek
  Posted on November 17, 2012 at 2:26am
  @Muffythetuffy This Catholic didn’t vote for Obama, I pretty much only go to church for funerals as of late, I have to start going with my son because he is making his first communion this Spring. You have given me something to focus on during the mass and after when all those supporters are digging through food donation baskets. ugh. :)
  
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- TRUTHSENSE
  Posted on November 17, 2012 at 8:17am
  Rickfromillinois, if you are going to get in on the conversation you need to play fair. It is not fair for you to use your brain against a liberal who has none.
  
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- Dury
  Posted on November 18, 2012 at 11:17am
  Hey Muffy, only 52 % of Catholics voted for Obumbler, in fact 59% of white Catholics voted against him!
  
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strawberry411a
Posted on November 16, 2012 at 7:59am
If Mexico is an example of the impact Catholicism has had on a country’s morals, then there is a major problem with teh Catholic Church. Maybe the Church should stick to the Christianity portion of it’s responsibilities and leave politics to the rest.

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- dogpatch65
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 8:04am
  There’s only been one failed war the leftists won’t quit: http://wp.me/p2filR-3Lo
  
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- joboww
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 11:16am
  you have never heard of the Cristeros then, the Free Masons since the 1800′s have been running Mexico into the Ground and persecuting the Church…learn your own history before you make ignorant statements
  
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DeVain
Posted on November 16, 2012 at 7:59am
The nun is has no economic understanding. Raising the minimum wage will do NOTHING but COST jobs for the people she claims to want to help….a group that is already being hit hard.

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- Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 8:14am
  Ssssshhhhhh. Let them go. 50 bucks an hour sounds even better. The sooner this POS comes apart the sooner we can carve out some place where liberty can prosper.
  
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- Carol in Indy
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 8:21am
  DeVain
  Standing ovation from Indy!
  Couldn’t have typed it better myself.
  TGIF everyone.
  
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- starman70
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 8:23am
  This poorly educated (Economically) Nun needs to go back to her convent.
  
  If the minium wage were raised to $12.50 per hour, 1) thousands of people would be laid off because the company they are working for will immediately start losing money. 2) In order to make a profit and stay in business, companies would have to raise prices markedly, thereby nullifying any gains made by the minium wage earners.
  
  In the past, in our formerly textile driven economy, when the mills would publish the fact that workers were getting an across the board wage increase, the grocery stores and other merchants would increase prices of goods anywhere from 1cent to 5 cents on every item. Translate that to today, such a hefty increase in the minimum wage would trigger the same response which would only cause a spiral in the inflation charts.
  
  COME ON SISTER, lower corporate tax rates, allowing corporations to expand and build new facilities and hire more workers at competitive wages will do more to grow the economy and reduce “Poverty” than any increase in minimum wage could ever do. Your economic model is completely wrong.
  
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- obfuscatenot
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 9:13am
  “unintended consequences” is apparently something the good sister doesn’t understand in the non-spiritual world…….You know something so basic as personal responsibility? You need more money than you are making? You work harder. Why is the concept of hard work and honest reward foreign to the ecclesiastical set these days? You would think that with their religious training the analogy of good works to self determination would be a simple one. IF the poor wish to do better for themselves-they should work harder-not beg for a handout. IF the wealthy wish to find the path to heaven- they do their fair share OF THEIR OWN ACCORD lest eternal damnation from their lack of works ensue. Caesar is not good at charity.
  
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- DIR
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 9:36am
  The nun is economically illiterate as are so many liberals. She might as well be disputing Newton’s law after a falling road apple hit her in the head. Can she say “Hostess Ho hos.”
  
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GETLIFE
Posted on November 16, 2012 at 7:58am
Now now Sister, you know that it’s disingenuous to change subjects just because the argument isn’t going your way. And no, I do not believe you do not know the difference in welfare programs for the working-aged poor and social security for retirees…
Tsk tsk and shame on you! Lies always lead to more lies. You shouldn’t have declared that welfare programs have not expanded in the last 4 years. We all know, in your position you must be aware of what has happened with unemployment benefits, food stamps, “disability”, and medicaid….

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FightingBear
Posted on November 16, 2012 at 7:57am
This nun doesn’t have a clue.

When minimum wage is raised the price of goods and services go up in order to cover the payroll cost increase of employers.

You will find that when Obamacare kicks in…employers will be paying significantly more for health insurance for their employees…are you anticipating that they suck it up and accept the lost revenue?

No, that is not how business works….the cost of everything will go up in order to offset the additional cost that they must pay for health insurance.

If minimum wage is doubled to $15.00 per hour, you can expect that the cost of your value meal at McDonalds will double as well. The minimum wage worker can never ….ever get ahead. When minimum wage goes up, the minimum wage worker’s dollar has less buying power. Yes, he/she is making more money, but they have to spend more to purchase the bare necessities to survive.

As soon as you understand that business exists for the sole purpose of not only making but maximizing profits…you will be on the road to understanding why minimum wage will never again be considered a living wage.

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- Maletvette
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 8:07am
  This is only partly accurate. the cost of goods is not a direct correlation to the payroll there are many other factors that go into running a business. Doubling minnimum wage will not double your happy meal. Yes it will increase the cost but no where near double. Its a form of redistribution but one in which is necessary. As inflation goes on through the years the minnimum wage SHOULD be adjusted to keep people afloat.
  
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- PorkPIG
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 8:18am
  It the end its what is wanted , In their scheme to Make everything Fair , It we set Min wage @ 12.50 then all of lower end skilled workers making 12-15/hr (CNC machinists ,production welders ) are being slighted and most likely wont get a raise . They want to make 2 class’s the Elite and everybody else .
  This nun missed one point , These ppl making Min wag can look for better jobs but choose not to .
  
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- Zwolle
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 8:36am
  FightingBear’s point is correct however. Payroll for minimum wage employees is a direct cost. In his example say an employee at Micky Ds can make 4 meals an hour (just for the sake of argument). At current mimimum wage labor cost of goods per meal would be $1.81. At double the minimum wage it would cost $3.75 in labor for that same meal. That is only for the labor to make the meal, what about the cost of the packaging, delivery of supplies, etc. Unless you are ONLY going to give the employees of Micky Ds a living wage, you have to do it across the board for everyone. So either Micky Ds loses money on each meal and the company goes belly up, or the price of the meal just about doubles.
  
  Plus at double the minimum wage, you cut potential employees out of the possibility of employment because the price to enter the work force it too high. Minimum wage jobs are gateways to better yourself. Unless your happy at a minimum wage job…then that’s your choice in life.
  
  I made pizzas in college (1979) for $1.25 an hour. With hard work, I moved on.
  
  Z
  
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- 00100111
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 10:00am
  Not only that but when you raises mandatory minimum wages, hours get cut and people get laid off. If I owned a business and I employed a number of people making $8/hr, and now I have to pay all of them $12.50/hr minimum wage, I’m either going to pass that cost onto customers (which would give me fewer sales and less profits/income and less money to cover expenses), or I’m going to cut hours or cut staff. Most likely I’d just cut hours so I could at least keep them on. But if it cost me too much, I’d start laying people off to make ends meet. This might not affect large business much but it’d be damaging to small business.
  
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- charles116
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 10:55am
  Maybe companies shouldn’t expect OBSCENE profits?
  Like the military is always left out of deficit reduction by some,
  obscene profits – like the energy and banking industry make, are always left out of the equation.
  
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diverdan
Posted on November 16, 2012 at 7:49am
Let’s put this in perspective. A nun, who has never had to earn a wage or make payroll (of course that also describes the President, most of his staff and most politicians) is advocating for a higher minimum wage to end poverty. Sort of ignores the inflationary response to wage increase which, of course, puts everyone back in the same place. Someone needs to explain that Japan has no welfare system and that populations seems to be doing as well or better than we are. Start adding up the value of all government handouts that some are on. This would include welfare payments; food stamps/snap; medical care; school assistance, housing allowance etc. For a family of four, the amount is such that for most, you would earn less if both (assuming a husband and wife in the household) went to work. Here is a proposal that would be unacceptable to anyone on the left. Keep these programs intact but if you are physically able to work, you work. There are plenty of things that need to be done in every town and county in our nation. Be it cleaning streets or maintaing parks, it would be a job. It would encourage self sufficiency and elevate the self esteem of those who want to do better.

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- rootytoottootin
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 7:25pm
  Re: DIVERDAN
  You said it all. I am a 62 yr. old, now disabled woman, living on assistance. But I worked for 4 decades and depended on myself only. In the last 6 yrs. of working, I did not owe anyone any $. I paid off my car and the few luxury bills I had. It is not easy to be on assistance, but I don’t see it lasting for many more years, and if so, it is what it is. At least I can say I worked for my last few years and I truly miss being in the work place and seeing and visiting people. Yes I worked for minimum wage, but I did not exceed my income. Now I just pay rent,electric,phone and tv and still have some left over. It’s called management “within” your means.
  
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on November 16, 2012 at 7:48am
Sister Simone Campbell is a typical liberal who thinks business owners are simply sitting on piles of money, have no overhead expenses, all while lighting their cigars with hundred dollar bills. Naturally, the OWS crowd along with the MSM will see her as a top national economist.

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- Zipit
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 8:49am
  RJJ! Much like the entire Obama administration! Fewest number of people with any real world business experience, in the history of our government, and it shows!
  
  http://www.investmentpostcards.com/2009/11/26/obama-administration-–-lacking-business-experience/
  
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Zorch
Posted on November 16, 2012 at 7:47am
S.E. You are right on. Further more, as the “living wage” goes up so does the cost of living which does not lead people out of poverty, or off welfare. Today you cannot get a burger on the dollar menu anymore, it’s $1.29, tomorrow it will be $1.50 and so on.

As an observation, excluding those conservatives who managed to stay that way regardless of their sex, once this country allowed women into the process of decision making, it slowly has gone down hill. Women are nurturers, teachers, those soft and cuddly creatures boys, and men love to be near. However, today they are legislated right into our homes, communities, schools, and politic making and they continue to function with those same characteristics above, but THAT is NOT the way a country, nor a family should be organized. Men are the Biblical decision makers, bread earners and protectors, therefore they should be making the decisions which affect how they go about accomplishing their responsibilities, not “Mommy” who wants little Johnny to be treated better or as well as the next kid who is a worker bee. No, No “Mommy” wants Johnny to FEEL better about himself even though he is a lazy good for nothing…… As for Nuns, they need to stay within the church hierarchy and do the business of the church and leave the functions of life to others; that is the life they chose, so live it.

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- checkingbothsides
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 5:06pm
  Wow, that was an amazing bit of sexism. Why don’t you go let S.E.Cupp know she needs to get back in the kitchen to make you a sandwich? Go tell the brave women in the IDF that they would make better “nurturers” than soldiers?
  
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cmccone
Posted on November 16, 2012 at 7:44am
Make minimum wage $12.50 and watch the economy completely come to a hault. It is already a economic fact that a minimum wage creates an shortage of demand (jobs) and a surplus of supply (people needing jobs). Raise that and that shortage and surplus skyrocket! It would collapse the country… Then when I see Directive 10-289 come out I am immediately looking for or starting my own Galt’s Gulch… (FYI, Atlas Shrugged reference if you don’t understand)

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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 7:50am
  Should hat occur, it will not all collapse just because of the minimum wage. Look at all of the union employees who have contracts that automatically require huge raises whenever the minimum wage is boosted. That is where the largest expense will bite us all in the ass.
  
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- cmccone
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 8:15am
  Both the minimum wage employees and the union employees with those contracts would cause a collapse. How much do you think most employees at your grocery store make? The extra cost would drive up the price at stores. Plus as you point out, this effect would be increased by those union wages as the cost producing the goods before they reach the store would also increase. Any company producing goods that have an inelastic price curve would go under fast. The price of basic items would be much higher than they are now resulting in more people not being to afford them and resulting in more people living in what would be considered poverty. Many things would happen and many people would be affected but I think we both have the same outcome regardless of the reasoning to get there.
  
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- lowerclassrepublican
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 8:29am
  Don’t forget a even larger demand for illegal workers once the wage is increased.
  
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cemerius
Posted on November 16, 2012 at 7:43am
So, here we go AGAIN!!! Raise the minimum wage so that MORE people have “paper” in their walets?!? Raising the minimm wage does NOT give youmore buying power!!!

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piper60
Posted on November 16, 2012 at 7:43am
minimum wage is too minimal?VHAT VE HAF HEERE are nuns that bilief in tooth fairies.

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hillbillyinny
Posted on November 16, 2012 at 7:41am
I am a practicing Catholic in full agreement with the Roman Church.

What we need is a nun, who may or may not have ever been involved in a true business (and I don’t believe she has as she has been militant for the liberal agenda for many, many years as a nun), telling us about the causes of poverty and things like minimum wage (which may reduce “poverty” for some, but will cause employers to put others off the payroll to pay for the few!), and putting forth her face as a spokesman for The Church!

The group she is part of is one of the two groups of nuns being “counseled” by the Vatican for change their ways and come back to the Church instead of living for social justice!

Thank you S.E. for your wisdom and courage, and please pray for all involved that they may truly understand “the poor IN SPIRIT” as Jesus presents them to us.

Salvation is from the Lord, and from THAT perfect LOVE flows true love for all mankind.

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- Sil in CNY
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 8:43am
  I am also a practicing Catholic and I think Sister Simone and the other “soical justice” Catholics like her are the reason the Catholic Church is having to fight to live their principles and not pay for things like birth control and abortion-inducing drugs in their health care plan. Jesus wanted the CHURCH and the INDIVIDUAL to take care of the poor, the widowed, the orphaned….he never said give your money to the gov’t so THEY can take care of them! I’m afraid Sister Simone has lost her way….
  
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ferggie
Posted on November 16, 2012 at 7:39am
Being a nun doesn’t give her a pass for being a clueless idiot. Sorry sister but the facts are the facts. Gee you want to increase the minimum wage to $12.50 from just under $8. So that means a business is going to have to fire 1 out of 3 people they employ to keep their cost bast at the same level. I guess that stupid idea doesn’t work out well in the real world.

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- turnabout
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 9:02pm
  Who said anything about the real world? Why should SHE know, she makes her living on the backs of others, a parasite. Just like anyone else who is okay with being a dependent. She believes money is free because she’s never had to work for it. It’s fun to vote people money! WHEE!
  
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BrerRabbit
Posted on November 16, 2012 at 7:37am
$12.50 minimum wage=$50.00 pizza. . It s all reative!

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- DrunkGOP_Hack
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 8:31am
  Don’t talk logic. Peoples heads will explode.
  
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PorkPIG
Posted on November 16, 2012 at 7:37am
SE is Cupp is that girl you learned never argue with , because you will loose!!!!!!

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- Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 7:45am
  Did you watch the libertarian conservative debate? Yeah, SE can talk louder and faster. Guess that’s “winning”. The fact that the GOP won’t even run conservative candidates might be a sign that the message is dead. The fact that libertarians essentially cost the RINO’s the election might be a sign that you aren’t “winning”. Just saying.
  
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- realfactchecker
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 7:49am
  “lose”
  
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- PorkPIG
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 8:02am
  loose HAAHAHAA thats funny , She gives me that Impression sorta.
  
  BTW I’m a Libertarian PAULBOT .
  
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- M13
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 10:01am
  How did being a Paulbot work out for you pork pig? What are you going to do in 2016 for an encore?
  
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- Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
  Posted on November 16, 2012 at 11:04am
  @M13,
  
  How did Rule12 and the RINOfication of the GOP work for y’all? Let me guess, you are going to run John Boehner or Chris Christie in 2016.
  
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