Oops: Oklahoma’s New 10 Commandments Monument Has 2 Typos
Image source: The Oklahoman
“Remember the Sabbeth day, to keep it holy.”
“Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidseruant.”
Notice anything wrong? If so, you’re off to a better start than the company that built the new Ten Commandments monument for Oklahoma’s state Capitol — they misspelled Sabbath as “Sabbeth” and “maidservant” as “maidseruant.”
Republican State Rep. Mike Ritze, whose family paid about $10,000 for the 6-foot-tall monument’s construction, said the company has accepted full responsibility and will fix the typos this weekend, the Associated Press reported.
“It’s a simple fix,” he told the Oklahoman.
The privately-funded monument was installed on the Capitol grounds Thursday, three years after legislation authorizing it passed with bipartisan support. The Ritze family has agreed to pay all maintenance costs.
The American Civil Liberties Union of Oklahoma told the newspaper it is weighing whether to mount a constitutional challenge to the monument.
Image source: The Oklahoman
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e7705
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 10:25amI think the “U”s in “SERUANT” is just a stylized V.
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Eastinfection
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 10:32amwhat about the “E”? (manseruEnt) Is that a “stylized A”?
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glassaudioguy
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 10:48amNo, East, that is an A. Compare it to the A-s in the other words.
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Eastinfection
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 10:54amYou’re right GLASS…. didn’t even look at the photo… was reading from the text Blaze provided…
“……monument for Oklahoma’s state Capitol — they misspelled Sabbath as “Sabbeth” and “maidservant” as “maidseruent.”……..”
i should know better by now ;)
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Kupo
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 1:05pmNo because the word manservant obviously has a “v” and the word maidservant is different.
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damnedifwedont
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 1:44pmYour Government in Education at work.
Duh…
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g56
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 2:45pmThe word servant appears twice in that same line, its a stylized V in one and a U in the other.
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N37BU6
Posted on November 18, 2012 at 12:05amThat’s funny… The Blaze misspelled the misspelling.
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ZengaPA65
Posted on November 18, 2012 at 10:42amBut the all seeing eye of Horus over the top was acceptable? lol
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Dr Vel
Posted on November 18, 2012 at 11:59amZengaPA65 “But the all seeing eye of Horus over the top was acceptable? lol”
Sort of contradicts “thou shalt have no other god before me”. Not to mention someone making a living writing on expensive stone should at minimum learn how to spell.
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Nisan 5702
Posted on November 18, 2012 at 2:35pmGOOD POINT “Zengapa65″
The all seeing eye of Horus is a SATANIC symbol.
Christians that don’t know squat, really, should be WATCHED more closely.
“NO ONE MAKES THESE KINDS OF MISTAKES BY ACCIDENT” !!!
To the rest of you:
I wish some of you brainiacs could do more YouTube research on the illuminati and symbols.
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Nuncle
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 10:21amIt’s not like it’s written in stone… Ooops.
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Eastinfection
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 11:02amwell done NUNCLE…
this story has been up for 3hrs and you’re the first to think of that! lol!
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JACKTHETOAD
Posted on November 18, 2012 at 5:51amLol!
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ablestmage
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 2:03pmIt might also be worth noting that there should be a single apostrophe in the final “neighbors” to make it possessive instead of plural — even the plural possessive would require one. Without it, we shall not be coveting anything that IS our neighbors, as if our neighbors were inanimate objects. There’s also the “anything” vs “any thing” argument to settle..
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RamonPreston
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 10:19amIt’s going to be hard to change “Sabbeth” to “Sunday.” (The Sabbath is the seventh day of the week and Sunday is the first.)
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COFemale
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 12:09pmHey ding dong they will be keeping the word Sabbath and change the e into an “a”. They won’t be using the word Sunday. Sunday is the Christian sabbath. The Jewish Sabbath is Friday evening to Saturday evening. Please educate yourself before you make asinine statements.
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BigdaddyK
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 1:21pm@Cofemale
Your sir, are the one that needs to be educated. There is no such thing as a “christian sabbath”. What you are refering to (Sunday) is purely Catholic in nature, unsupported by history or scripture.
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Eastinfection
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 3:17pmBIGDADDYK…
may be going out on a limb here but, i’m guessing someone named “coFEMALE” is a madam, not a sir.
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Kupo
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 4:33pmThe Sabbath can really be any day depending on whose Sabbath it is. In Judaism the Sabbath is on Saturday; in most Christian denominations the Sabbath is on Sunday; in Islam the Sabbath is on Friday. There are pagan sabbaths which correspond with seasonal events.
All a Sabbath really is, typically, is a weekly day of rest and religious observance.
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Polarized America
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 5:49pm.
So ..Kupo…when is the Sabbath in the land of the “” Alexandrian Empire”" ?
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colt1860
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 6:36pmGod only blessed and sanctified one day at the end of Creation; the seventh day.
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RamonPreston
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 7:35pmNo, moron. the Sabbath is GOD’s day. Sunday is Satan’s day. God commanded all men to keep the Sabbath, the Jews only keep it. If you love me keep my commandments. Sound familiar?
BTW: Christianity is only the pagan religion with the name of Christ put on it.
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holy ghostbuster
Posted on November 18, 2012 at 9:12amWhy did it take God 6 days to create everything if he is omnipotent? And on that point, why did he have to rest on the seventh day. Maybe because 5 Hour Energy wasn’t available then? How did he create light before creating the sun? Oh, he’s omnipotent and can do anything, which brings me back to the first point. Crazy!
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colt1860
Posted on November 18, 2012 at 1:16pm“Why did it take God 6 days to create everything if he is omnipotent?”
God is a god of order and laws.
“And on that point, why did he have to rest on the seventh day.”
So that he can hallow and bless the seventh day, as an ensample to us men.
“How did he create light before creating the sun?”
Do you know what light is? Do you know what ‘energy’ is? Do you know how most life is sustained? Do you know if light source occurs in the nucleus of an atom? How long did it take after the “Big Bang” for light to show up? How long did it take for stars to show up after the “Big Bang”? Was light around before there were stars?
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The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on November 18, 2012 at 8:53pmOh my stars, this argument above is almost ad verba the essay found from here,
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/why_six_days.html
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Payinattention
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 10:16amThis is a big issue for me, a former proofreader and teacher who believes that, if it’s going to public print, it had better be right. After a quick read of the twenty posts at this time, there were at least eleven posts with errors of spelling, punctuation, or grammar, many of them simple errors that don’t require much of an education to know. And that’s a quick read. If you are going to complain about someone else’s poor work, clean up your own. There is NO excuse for putting something in print with careless errors. Those of you who regularly post here and try to impress “us” with your superior intelligence do not do yourself or your credibility any favors when you misspell simple things like its/it’s, their/there, whose/who’s, and the like, and when you don’t know how to use who/whom, he/him, and like pronouns. I don’t know about others, but I tend to skip your post if it tells me that you are either of little intelligence or just don’t care.
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RamonPreston
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 10:21amDid you notice that it said “kill” and not “murder” which is the correct translation?
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HumbleMan
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 10:27amYou mean like: “Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his cattle, nor anything that is thy neighbors”
It seems also to be missing an apostrophe either before or after the last s. And didn’t they know about “neither” in Moses day?
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glassaudioguy
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 10:45am@Ramon- looks like they’re using the King James text which does use the word kill. I agree it would better be translated murder.
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Old Ogre
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 11:22amI just love all these people who get on here and try to pummel us who do not spell or use proper punctuation… F.U. This is just a posting site, I think most of us come here to vent or just give our point of view on things. Also, this is not “published” or “printed” or anything else for that matter, you’re looking at something as temporary as the fart you just squeaked out of your **** clenching panty wadded dumb little *******.
Finally; if you equate your vocabulary skills with intelligence your nummer than a box of rocks! You are probably one of those college educated idiots I keep running across that is so proud of their book learning yet knows nothing else. Education and intelligence does not necessarily go hand in hand.
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Old Ogre
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 11:26amI just love all these people who get on here and try to pummel us who do not spell or use proper punctuation… F.U. This is just a posting site, I think most of us come here to vent or just give our point of view on things. Also, this is not “published” or “printed” or anything else for that matter, you’re looking at something as temporary as the fart you just squeaked out of your **** clenching panty wadded dumb little *******.
Finally; if you equate your vocabulary skills with intelligence your nummer n a box of rocks! You are probably one of those college educated idiots I keep running across that is so proud of their book learning yet knows nothing else. Education and intelligence does not necessarily go hand in hand.
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Old Ogre
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 11:31am@RAMONPRESTON
I noticed that too; have to love those who try to change history by changing the words or even trying to change the meaning of words. This is just another means of controlling the population, it teaches all those good Catholics to not fight back and just lie down and die…
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Old Ogre
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 11:49amRAMONPRESTON;
I noticed that too; have to love those who try to change history by changing the words or even trying to change the meaning of words. This is just another means of controlling the population, it teaches all those good Catholics to not fight back and just lie down and die…
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quiltgal
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 11:57amI’m happy to hear of a teacher who actually cares about grammar and spelling. I think you’re a rarity these days and you have my admiration.
That being said, all grammar mistakes are not created equal. Some people are ill-educated; some are sloppy; some just hate rules. On the other hand, there are those who are so passionate about a topic, they are extremely anxious to share their opinions. When one writes fast and furiously, one’s mind frequently compensates so well for mistakes that one’s eyes don’t see them. I have great empathy for that, especially at a time when many people feel intensely angry at politics and politicians. This is why publishers hire proofreaders. The more passionate the writer, the more their stuff needs to be proofread. I think many of the people who post on The Blaze fall into this category. Beyond the technicalities, many make brilliant points.
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Heb4Seven
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 12:06pm@PAYINATTENTION: “Though thinkest more highly of thyself than thou ought” By the way, You are missing a ‘G’ after the ‘I’ in your Username.
What do you expect from those of us who…(oh wait! or is it whom) were educated in the Public/Government School System?
1 Corinthians 4:7 For who makes you different from anyone else? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not?
We all have different gifts and talents – Shucks, I’ll bet yer no where’s as good as me at spittin’ watermelon seeds. ;)….lighten up.
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COFemale
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 12:23pmHe who is without spelling errors cast the first letter.
Look obvious spelling errors will happen on occasion, even to the best of us. I am a college instructor. I can tell you I have had my share of spelling mistakes. I try to proofread before I post, but sometimes my mind tells me I typed something correctly only to find out after the post, I misspelled a word. Thankfully, I use Firefox and it flags spelling errors. IE does not.
It is true some on here have atrocious spelling issues. Generally, it will be men as they don’t care. It does not necessarily mean they are dumb, but is does not help with their visual image of being lazy and uneducated. I stress to my students to always to proofread and spell check their work. Nothing says more to a potential employer your intelligence and attention to detail and laziness, than the number of spelling errors you have in work.
We are not perfect and there will be spelling errors from everyone here at one time or another. Let it pass or help the poster out. Kindly, guide them to the correct spelling.
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RDavis49
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 12:27pmOkay, we’re all impressed that you were a professor with a ton of expensive education. But, if this is all you have to do in life, then you have a serious problem with being both nosey and controlling. I’d suggest that you go back to school where your services are needed and maybe appreciated. Obviously, you didn’t do too good of a job teaching your students. Ever think that some of the folks might just be your old students? No one here is trying to write novels or news articles. If I make a typo, then that’s my business, not yours….. I look dumb for it, not you. We’re no longer in school and no one is grading us on our spelling or vocabulary. Leave the people alone. If they want to say yep, instead of yes, I still understand that and it doesn’t bother me in the least. Who died and made you the nation’s word master anyways? Grow up and get over it……….
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forthepeople
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 12:39pmTake away our schools, education or lack of … don’t you thing people writhing words ‘ IN STONE ‘ would think at least twice before acting ? White out anyone ?
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Bugleboy99
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 2:28pmYou left out “alot/a lot”.
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Eastinfection
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 3:15pmOLD OGRE…
Right below where it says “OLD OGRE, LEAVE A REPLY TO PAYATTENTION”, it also says ,”Your comment may take a few minutes to appear on the site.”
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nzkiwi
Posted on November 18, 2012 at 5:00amI was laughing so much I nearly hurt myself.
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bmorte
Posted on November 18, 2012 at 10:01amYou missed an excellent opportunity to use a semicolon.
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tzion
Posted on November 18, 2012 at 1:23pmIt also has two Jewish stars at the bottom curiously.
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Joseph Dowell
Posted on November 24, 2012 at 6:11pm@ Tzion
And between them the Hindu/Greek Rho Chi the symbol of a Hindu deity Between them… Thou shalt have no other Gods…
Of the 6 Hebrew words that have a meaning equal to killing. Only the word that literally means “To kill with hatred” is used in the 10 commandments in both Exodus and Deuteronomy. While the word “Observe” the Shabat is used in Exodus and “Remember” the Shabat is used in Deuteronomy. and the spelling of Shabat is שבת Tell me how to spell that in English.
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ltb
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 10:14amNote to self: Never buy tombstone from “Bob’s Granut Imporeeum and Hedstones”
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quiltgal
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 12:01pmSo true! L O L
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samnjoeysgrama
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 10:10amTell the ACLU (Anti Christian Litigation Union) to fight something real, like voter fraud.
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Jennifer_D
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 10:01amLOL, BRB, IDK, LMBO!!!!
Everyone makes mistakes, but fix these typos; yesterday!
Don’t rely solely on spell check either!
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HumbleMan
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 10:21amIt’s not like it’s engraved in stone … er … wow.
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RamonPreston
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 10:23amSome people make the same mistake twice…like voting for Obama.
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TROLLMONGER
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 9:49amYou gotta love that right wing religeous grammar….LOL!
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QuincySmith
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 10:53ambetter than your hero, the imposter-in-chief!
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1in11-twist
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 9:41amI have started a petition that is to classify atheism as a religion since it is not scientific fact and a belief as is any religion regarding the subject of God. Once deemed a religion the ACLU will no longer be able to sue on first amendment grounds as it would be an unequal application of the separation of church and state (as it is being applied in today’s society). 25,000 signatures are needed to force the petition to be answered. here is the gov. petition web page , please sign and spread the petition.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/proclamation-classification-atheism-and-agnosticism-belief-and-therefore-religion/ZMYbzMys
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TROLLMONGER
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 9:50amAtheism is not a religion. Religion is a belief in a deity. Wise up idiot!
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Eastinfection
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 9:56amAtheism has already been ruled a religion by multiple courts…. But being an atheist doesn’t automatically make you an active participant in this “religion” unless you are a member of some sort of organized atheist group that seeks tax-exempt status as a religion.
http://www.wnd.com/2005/08/31895/
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HumbleMan
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 10:33am1 in 11 is right. Your choice to disbelieve is a religious choice.
The word “religion” signifies synthesis, or “putting together” and opposed to science which signifies analysis or “taking apart”. The 1st amendment doesn’t mention God.
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Old Ogre
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 12:05pmAtheism is absolutely a religion!
They just worship at the altar of the anti-god, the god of self. I used to get into some serious hell bent for leather arguments with them over this; but it is pointless their faith in no god is just as great as my faith in God!
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TROLLMONGER
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 1:00pmReligion signifies vague generalities without proof of existence. Science signifies detailed analysis with facts.
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holy ghostbuster
Posted on November 18, 2012 at 9:15amAs it has been said before, Atheism is a religion like not collecting stamps is a hobby.
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Eastinfection
Posted on November 18, 2012 at 11:37am“You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice”
- “Freewill” Rush
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tzion
Posted on November 18, 2012 at 1:20pmIf atheism was simply a lack of belief in G-d it wouldn’t be a religion, but that definition better fits agnosticism. Atheism, by definition, is the belief that there is no god, a belief with no basis in science or fact. One cannot disprove G-d any more than one can prove he exists. To hold either view therefore requires that one take that view on faith alone.
Atheism, like many theistic religions throughout history, seeks to convert people to their viewpoint, often sees people of other faiths (theists) as inferior or gullible, and asserts that only their view is the correct one. Atheists have, at times, persecuted others who held different beliefs than themselves. They even recently adopted an official symbol to represent their belief system. The only thing organized religion has that atheism lacks is a written moral code of behavior and that’s primarily because atheism holds that there is no higher moral authority above mankind itself. Each person sets their own moral standards.
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1in11-twist
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 7:29amReligion is a belief in regards to a deity. Atheists have NO proof that there is no deity Therefore BELIEVE there is no deity! Name calling only shows YOUR ignorance…
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beer4me
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 9:18amEver gone to the convience store (or any place) and the cash registers not working? If so could the cashier count your change?…………..nope they have to have that calculator or they are lost…doh
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G-WHIZ
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 10:02amMany years ago, My girlfriend’s ma and two of her sisters worked at a few [Dominik's/FinerFoods]. Each time the power went out, THEY WERE THE ONLY ONES out of all employees in the stores who could “count-cash” and make cash-receips!! Many didn’t have calculators(we don need dat shitz!) and most dod not knowhow to use them in this situation. This was about 30-yrs-ago!!
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RamonPreston
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 10:28am“Dumbing down of America” really works!
I worked with a kid who couldn’t believe I was working in a factory because I could do math in my head. Sorry, they were the only ones who said “Can you start Monday?” The rest said “Good luck on your job search.”
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HumbleMan
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 10:43amJust try giving the cashier a nickel and 3 pennies to make the change easy (but wait til the cash register tells them how much change). There are two responses: 1) grateful cashier 2) utter confusion.
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Tri-ox
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 9:15amThe monument is beautifully done – I think the engraver(s) did a fabulous job. Typos happen and they can be easily fixed – it’s no big deal. Instead of focusing on a couple of typos, it would be good to focus on the importance and impact of this monument, and how vital it is to remember and display God’s Commandments in public.
Here are a couple of photos of the full monument – the craftsmanship is great –
http://s3.amazonaws.com/imgly_production/6142956/large.jpg
http://www.okgazette.com/oklahoma/imgs/media.images/17828/ten+commandments+with+mike+reynolds+165mh.widea.jpg
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Small World
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 9:34amYou are so right. Who among us is perfect ? I’m a terrible speller.
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G-WHIZ
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 10:07amThe “craftsmanship” IS A COMPUTER-DRIVEN “WATER-JET” CUTTER . Some numnutz typo’ed without readiing before pushing START! Typical Democrat-publicschool go’er! This machine DOES’NT have SPELL-CHECK!
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LIBSALWAYSLIE
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 11:35amTRI, so the engravers did a fabulous job?? Are you KIDDING me?? There is NO excuse for this stupidity!
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Pastor Melissa
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 9:09amAn educational moment. Notice the commandments are not numbered. Jews and Christians number the commandments differently. When you see the the commandments numbered 1-10 usually you are looking at the Christian 10 Commandments, not the Jewish 10 Commandments.
While this one does have errors it is ultimately more inclusive of both faith traditions.
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Eastinfection
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 9:34amThe 10 Commandments should be listed in alphabetical order according to height.
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fred1369
Posted on November 18, 2012 at 12:02pmI was going to say something similar but you beat me to it, Mel.
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MrButcher
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 8:56amhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YX-gqRdK_8
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Pantloadian
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 8:52amJesus Christ the Lord our God doesn’t allow such mistakes. Clearly we’ve been misspelling these things all along.
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Eastinfection
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 9:32amWhat’s wrong with spelling things incorrectly? It’s clearly a “free speech” issue! ..right?
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ModerationIsBest
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 9:54amYeah, great use of money by the Christians once again.
Instead of using their money to help the poor, the widows and the orphans, they decide to erect an idol to let everyone know “hey, we’re Christians!”
Yes people, we know you’re a Christian.
You already talk about it 24/7. I can’t go a day without hearing about how someone is a Christian. I can’t log onto facebook without seeing some form of scripture posted from a friend.
What else do you need to do to let us know you’re a Christian?
I think the crosses and statues are just overkill now don’t you?
Never ceases to amaze me how about such a “personal relationship” needs so much outward expression.
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Eastinfection
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 10:09amMODERATION….
Why do you give a crap about privately funded art? …. because that is essentially what this is..
Do you complain about the government spending money on art that could feed people?…
“the recent budget the U.S. Congress passed for the National Endowment for the Arts: $146.255 million”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brendan-mcmahon/military-arts-funding_b_1238206.html
Please don’t be a hypocrite.
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The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 3:11pmThe stupidest, inane arguments I’ve ever heard. I only wish all militant atheists like Mod spoke out more, then people would realize what they believe and run away from it.
Your basic rant is that Christianity is pervasive in America. And you don’t want people to be in any way devout, or let alone show a way of thinking that is not parallel to yours. So much for the accepting, logical atheist.
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ModerationIsBest
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 3:52pm@EASTINFECTION
#1 : It’s on the State Capitol. I’ve made myself clear on here that I have no problem with displays on personal property, but I don’t like it when this garbage is put up on public property. Christians and progressives(the people who beckbots hate) use the same tactic. Incremental changes over time, until you no longer recognize where you lived. I think it’s “harmless” statues like these, that then lead our Congress to adopt our motto as “In God We Trust” and “Under God” into the pledge in the 1950s.
Keep your religion out of my face and i’ll keep my atheism out of yours.
Again, a personal relationship SO personal, that you constantly need to talk about it.
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Eastinfection
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 5:17pmModeration…
I don’t know why this sort of thing gets you so bent out of shape… You refer to incremental changes that render your environment unrecognizable .. but fail to note that the environment in the US is growing more secular by the moment.. This, of course, is understandable given the shift in US demographics and growing influence of the ever-shrinking world around us but, it is the faithful among us that are experiencing the shock of uncomfortable social evolution- not the faithless.
On a personal level, i am vehemently anti- evangelism. Not because i am faithless but because i value my privacy. Small tokens giving a nod to the cultural history of a fading majority, such as public displays of the 10 commandments, are not threatening to me at all… and i certainly don’t consider them “in my face”. Ditto manger scenes, x-mas parades, Kwanza festivals, menorahs, etc.
Knocking on my door to share “good news” is “in my face” and offensive. Symbolic gestures… meh.. who cares?
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racontuer
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 9:29pmI read over the post from MODERATIONISBEST (Nov17, 9:54am) a couple of times and was very impressed. His post reinforces my assertion that American Liberalism is truly a mental illness. The post very elegantly displays additional evidence that liberals don’t even monitor what they, themselves, think and say. Nothing is ever said in context and their wrong-headed statements never reconcile with their other statements.
Using nearly all of his own words, I have turned his argument 180 degrees and have made every bit as much sense as he has.
So, HIS ORIGINAL WORDS are in parentheses and MY WORDS are inserted in his text.
“Yeah, great use of money by the atheists (Christians) once again.
Instead of using their money to help the poor, the widows and the orphans, they go to court to tear down Christian monuments (decide to erect an idol) to let everyone know “hey, we’re atheists! (Christians!)”
Yes people, we know you’re atheists (a Christian).
You already talk about it 24/7. I can’t go a day without hearing about how someone is an atheist (a Christian). I can’t log onto facebook without seeing some form of denigration of scripture (form of scripture) posted from a friend.
What else do you need to do to let us know you’re an atheist (a Christian)?
I think the crosses and statues are just overkill now don’t you?
Never ceases to amaze me about how such a personal perspective (“personal relationship”) needs so much outward expressio
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ModerationIsBest
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 10:15pm@EASTINFECTION
I like you, don’t care about manger scenes, crosses and any other displays on someone’s personal property.
Heck, if I like you enough I may even help you put one up.
What i don’t like are these displays on public property.
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colt1860
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 10:48pmModerationIsBest, Cry me a river. Please. Should we tear down that old Liberty Bell with its Bible verse? Should we tear down the walls of the supreme Court with it’s Ten Commandments display? Should we burn every Inaugural Address by our founders, which all mention God? Should we turn off the cameras when our Presidents take their Oaths on the Holy Bible? Should we circmsice the Washington Monument because it has “Praise God” on it’s capstone? Should we throw away our National Anthem because it says God in one of it’s last verses? Should we make null and void every Congressional session because they have all started with prayer? Maybe, just maybe, we should just ignore you whiny, selfish, ignorant, arrogant, brainwashed, delusional liberals…
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ModerationIsBest
Posted on November 18, 2012 at 12:25am@RACONTUER
Wow how silly you are, nice try though.
You forget one thing.
Atheists don’t claim to follow a book that says to take care of the poor, widows, orphans…..and then do the exact opposite.
There is no “atheist” book that says “do this” , “don’t do this.” There is no one book that can be interpreted many different ways yet still claim the same divine backing as religion does.
Therefore, they aren’t being hypocritical when they use money to combat religious encroachment on society.
Also, don’t be disingenuous and act like you see TONS of posts on facebook from atheists. It’s very unlikely that you even have an atheist friend, but I could be wrong.
I have a facebook and my friends have a facebook.
They constantly quote scripture, and I don’t say anything. I also don’t make posts insulting Christians.
However; when in a rush on Christmas Day(to go out to dinner) I happened to write “Merry X-mas everyone” on my facebook. Harmless right?
You would be wrong, it was one of my friends who felt the need to respond with “Merry CHRISTmas” once again, shoving their religion in my face.
Please go back to amassing tons of wealth and material items like we do in America…..while also following a book that degrades those two same aspects of life.
The average American Christian is probably the most hypocritical person on Earth. Maybe only the radical Muslims who declare Islam is a religion of peace are worse.
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ModerationIsBest
Posted on November 18, 2012 at 1:23am@Colt
“Should we tear down that old Liberty Bell with its Bible verse? Should we tear down the walls of the supreme Court with it’s Ten Commandments display? ”
Yes, if you would please.
“Should we burn every Inaugural Address by our founders, which all mention God? ”
No, they have the right to freedom of speech. I don’t care if they mention God.
“Should we turn off the cameras when our Presidents take their Oaths on the Holy Bible? ”
I’d much rather they swear on the Constitution then the Bible, then again you probably hold the Bible above the Constitution, which makes me question your loyalty to the USA.
“Should we circmsice the Washington Monument because it has “Praise God” on it’s capstone?” Sure, why not?
“Should we throw away our National Anthem because it says God in one of it’s last verses? ”
Yup, replace God with the Constitution.
“Should we make null and void every Congressional session because they have all started with prayer?”
No, just no further sessions should begin with a prayer. If you want a moment of silence, fine but a prayer? no
“Maybe, just maybe, we should just ignore you whiny, selfish, ignorant, arrogant, brainwashed, delusional liberals…”
Me? Selfish? I’m trying to protect the Jews, the Muslims, the Atheists and the unknowns from a Christian theocracy where the Bible is consulted on domestic and foreign policy……oops too late.
Brainwashed? Sorry, that’s saved for the religi
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colt1860
Posted on November 18, 2012 at 1:19pm@Mod Ha. So you refuted nothing and proved nothing. Great. The point is that our founders did not have the same Constitutional understanding as you. These founding delegates and ratifying states did just about everything you oppose today. That’s because you modern day liberals are radicals.
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revelation2012
Posted on November 18, 2012 at 4:16pmThe JOY of the Lord is our s t r e n t h – Oh happy days,,,,
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ModerationIsBest
Posted on November 18, 2012 at 4:49pm@COLT1860
I think I was very clear in my post.
I”m fine with personal expressions of faith but I don’t like government endorsing anything.
The fact that you can’t comprehend it is your fault not mine.
The founders had a good Constitutional grounding?
They talked about freedom, life, liberty and pursuit of happiness….WHILE owning other human beings.
Just because they wrote and ratified the Constitution, doesn’t mean they weren’t doing unconstitutional things.
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colt1860
Posted on November 18, 2012 at 7:11pmFirst off, slavery was protected by the Constitution. So, how can that be unconstitutional? An amendment was required to alter it. Second, most of the founders tried to free their slaves but their State laws made it impossible. You still can’t refute squat. You resort to switching topics and dismissive arguments which amount to nothing. The founders WROTE the darn thing. I’ll believe them over you. Jefferson said the Declaration was an expression of the American mind. Nough said.
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The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on November 18, 2012 at 8:58pmMod, a hypothetical question.
If in a national park, a publicly maintained one, a tree grows somewhere that has two branches perpendicular to the trunk, i.e. a cross shape. Should the tree be chopped down? Yes or no.
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The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on November 19, 2012 at 2:31pm18 hours, and still no response
-crickets-
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ModerationIsBest
Posted on November 19, 2012 at 10:39pm@Colt
It wasn’t a switching a topics, it was to point out that our founders, while having great ideas, were also contradicting themselves in the very same sentence.
As I said, they wrote about freedom, life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, while owning other human beings.
They also chose to not allow women to vote.
So obviously they were very confused.
@THE_CABRITO_GOAT
What kind of question is that? Of course it shouldn’t be taken down, it was normal growth of the tree. Now if someone came in and altered it then yes.
Just because there was some length between posts doesn’t mean you came up with something that stumbled me, it means I have other stuff going on and can’t always make timely posts.
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The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 11:08amSo you would be okay with a cross, albeit a natural one, on government land? Okay.
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racontuer
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 10:06pmMODERATIONISBEST
Actually, it’s you that’s forgetting or maybe you’re just ignorant of the truth.
Atheists conform to “a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith” and, as such, you are “religious”. If you try to say that you have no belief system or that ‘being religious’ requires belief in a ‘supreme being’, then it is evident that you are intellectually bankrupt and not just ignorant.
Further, I would offer that your life feels to you so miserable and empty simply because you will not admit that you are devoid of faith of any kind. This is what we are warned about as a pitfall of the unbelievers. As evidence to this I submit that you reach out to us via the internet in a vain attempt to give some meaning to your life. About this time I would say, “How’s that working out for you” but I think we all know how most things work out for you.
As further evidence of your shallowness, I offer that your friends, as you refer to them, who think enough of others to extend a simple gesture of kindness in any form, scripture or otherwise, should be able to expect something similar in return. But, what do you have to offer? You have nothing to offer except to mock them. Friends, indeed.
So, your kind creates court actions to force others to conform to your perspective of the world. You make believe that a nativity scene is such an affront to you that it must not be “shoved in your face”. So, you shove it in their
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racontuer
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 11:15pmMODERATIONISBEST
So, your kind creates court actions to force others to conform to your perspective of the world. You make believe that a nativity scene is such an affront to you that it must not be “shoved in your face”. So, you shove it in their face. You cause them to spend money defending their God-given rights. I suppose you think that’s OK since you don’t have any God-given rights.
As to monies expended in legal battles that could be helping “the poor, widows, orphans”, well, that’s your fault, isn’t it? I don’t suppose you’d want to kick in a little cash for the kids, would you? Didn’t think so.
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Randall R.Kniess
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 8:48amThank God for spell check on my computer! I make mistakes because I’m human. So was the engraver. Yes, I would think that before starting such a monumental undertaking, the company would have read the script over several times using several people. I’ve even found a few errors reading one of my favorite author’s books. Shucks what’s his name? Oh yeah Glenn Beck. It’s not that he can’t spell or make mistakes, but that an employee or several overlooked a typo. The important thing is that this is just one monument and not 500,000 books and as the engraver states, “an easy fix”. The bigger problem is the ACLU that thinks that they are the true gods of the nation. Now there is the mistake and the educational problem!
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Pontiaku
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 8:17pm[Thank God for spell check on my computer!]
How about thanking the computer programmers that spent their Sunday’s making that happen instead of tossing away human achievement like second rate garbage for some imaginary sky daddy to take credit?
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The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 12:27pmThank God for the gift of the human mind to make and create such clever technology. Never in human history can such a mosaic of different opinions be found in one area. Amen.
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chucksue351
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 8:36amRemember (to keep or guard in memory) the Sabbath (by the way its saturday) and keep it Set Apart from the other days for a memorial to the Creator and His Creation
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TheEndIsComing
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 10:08amThanks. Yes, the Sabbath that God made holy is the seventh-day, Saturday. The sabbath (false sabbath with a small “s”) is Sunday. Man cannot make the first day of the week holy and trying to say it is holy is just pure rebellion against God the creator who created this world in six days and rested on the seventh. If God the creator wanted you rest on the first day of the week, He would have made the commandment say that.
I really like Glenn Beck, but laugh at him when he says he doesn’t work on Sunday, the Sabbath (sic). Come on Glenn, you spend so much time researching the truth and say that “the truth lives here,” so why don’t you get the true Sabbath (Saturday) right?
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glassaudioguy
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 11:04amYou’re obviously an SDA, End. But even Jewish talk hosts like Michael Medved and Dennis Prager will tell you that in the earliest days of the Christian church the day of worship changed from Saturday to Sunday. The Apostle Paul instructs believers not to quarrel over sabbath keeping (Col. 2:16.) IOW, it’s more important to have A day of rest rather than quibbling over what day it should be. One summer during college it was more advantageous for me to do it Wednesday.
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colt1860
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 6:34pmThe earliest days of Christianity had the apostles preaching on the Sabbath day in every synagogue, just as Jesus did. Mary also kept the seventh day Sabbath after Jesus died.
Colossians 2:16 is telling the Colossian Christians to not let others keep them away from enjoying and observing the biblical feasts and Sabbaths. The Greek culture at that time was engulfed with Stoicism which prohibited people from expressing joy or any emotions. Paul was also speaking against the many burdensome laws the Jews enacted which heavily restricted the people from keeping God’s simple commandments. Paul said that worldly philosophies and man made laws had no effect on Christians, for the Church belonged not to worldly leaders and rulers but to Christ. Paul never told Christians they were free from observing the commandments of God, but that they were free from keeping man made doctrines and worldly traditions. Paul told them, straight up, that Christians will not be judged by men and their man made traditions, but by Christ alone.
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Ecomposer
Posted on November 19, 2012 at 3:55amIt stands to reason that man had no concept of fatigue upon his initial creation. Before Original Sin there was Original Bliss, as it were. So Man, having not yet created anything– not imagining the concept of really having to do anything– much less rest from anything prior to the “Fall” helps us understand why God the Savior repeatedly infuriated the cultural and religious guardians of the day by summarily disregarding their interpretation of the fourth commandment every chance he got. If God the creator still wanted you rest on a particular day of the week and agreed with the Mosaic traditionalists of the day on the matter, He certainly would have made His Son provide the Divine and Living example of impeccable adherence never before seen. What really transpired were consistent and repeated challenges by God the Savior against the breathtakingly obtuse and Mosaic-Law-obsessed power brokers and their Sabbath-Day observance interpretation. They were always waiting for God the Savior to fail.
Was it Paul who reminded us of the New Covenant when he wrote “Let us not go back to weak and worthless elemental things and become enslaved all over again”? Isn’t it fair to remember that we know something Moses did not? We know God the Savior. We are free. Pick a day. Get some rest.
Adam? Resting after Creation?
In the words of the re-elected POTUS: “[He] didn’t build that.”
For Mr. Beck- as you know, and no one need say, I write nonetheless: nothing wro
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Ecomposer
Posted on November 19, 2012 at 4:09amFor Mr. Beck- as you know, and no one need say, I write nonetheless: nothing wrong with Sunday”.
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TheEndIsComing
Posted on November 19, 2012 at 9:43amEven in death, Jesus honored and rested on God the creator’s Holy Seventh-day Sabbath.
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Ecomposer
Posted on November 19, 2012 at 11:20amThe scriptures were actually fulfilled the following day.
Mosaic tradition ended with the New Covenant of God the Savior for the Jews that would comprise the earliest Christians. God the Creator sent God the Savior to us on earth and humbly subjected Himself to every aspect and experience of the free-will of man without exception. Thus, it does not follow that God the Savior timed His earthly time of death for a specific day or time any more than we can specify the day and time our own death.
In life, God the Savior did not ever think to curtail His work on the Sabbath Day. It is unlikely that Mr. Pilate was accommodating the traditional Jewish Sabbath when he cleared his schedule all those years ago.
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Sol Invictus
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 8:29amand God said to Moses, “OK those are the 12 commandments – do you think you can remember them all”?
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momrules
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 8:23amWe all make typo’s, well at least I do, but this a little much. Handwriting is almost impossible to read with many of the younger folks too but they can type like crazy. Oh well, who needs to be able to write legibly or spell without spell check……..we will always have technology to do that for us, right?
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Eastinfection
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 8:30amRite!
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SilentRunner
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 8:38amIn some elementary schools they (union-obsessed teachers) no longer teach handwriting. That idiocy has been added to the use of hand calculators in school.
We are raising a generation of uneducated nincompoops.
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Eastinfection
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 8:17amOklahoma! Oklahoma! Oklahoma! Oklahoma!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6cNFTAoLZw
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Stab_friendly
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 8:15amOklahoma, 48th in education….correlation?
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Pontiaku
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 8:04pmMMMmmm. Can’t wait for my state to be overran by muslims and they start placing monuments with Islamic symbols and Koran verses on government land. Wont that be great?
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LIBSALWAYSLIE
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 8:12amIts hard to believe that someone could make such stupid mistakes, but there they are. You would think that it would be proof read, and double, triple checked, but obviously not. The dumbing down of America continues….
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kickagrandma
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 8:10amOh, boy. Back to the drawing board for education, right?
BTW~~~
New technology destroys the English language (texting), interpersonal communication (everyone plugged into/attached to an object rather than interacting with a person) and sets us up for a dictatorship. Anybody else notice this, or is it just mi?
Did you catch my spelling arrows?
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momrules
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 8:29amMorning Kick………Back to the drawing board is right. Even the teachers need to relearn how to write and spell properly. Learning how to add and subtract without a calculator would benefit a lot of the *newly* educated too.
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Eastinfection
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 8:07amI blame the “text generation”…
My niece’s kindergarten teacher sent her home with a note yesterday saying she will be “playing the role of an angle in ar Christmas pagent!”
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kickagrandma
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 10:05amOoooh, shivers down my spine like nails across a chalkboard…. That teacher wouldn’t be teaching in my school or teaching my kids.
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charles116
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 1:15pmThat is REALLY obtuse!
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piper60
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 8:02amEven stone carvers can misspell. “It’s good enough for government work”.
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Gonzo
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 7:59amHow can this be? The Blaze editors spell checked it for him!
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Eastinfection
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 8:24amThe Blaze has editors?
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taxpro4u03
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 9:26amSNideremARK… — but accurate :-)
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Homeschoolmama
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 9:42amYou beat me to it, Gonzo!
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Mandors
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 11:00amThey’re just throwing stones, Gonzo, just throwing stones.
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Marine25
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 11:26amgreat big misspelled stones.
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