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Nov. 19, 2012 7:25am Billy Hallowell

LOS ANGELES (TheBlaze/AP) — Damon Vix didn’t have to go to court to push Christmas out of the city of Santa Monica. He just joined the festivities.

The atheist’s anti-God message alongside a life-sized nativity display in a park overlooking the beach ignited a debate that burned brighter than any Christmas candle.

Santa Monica officials snuffed the city’s holiday tradition this year rather than referee the religious rumble, prompting churches that have set up a 14-scene Christian diorama for decades to sue over freedom of speech violations. Their attorney will ask a federal judge Monday to resurrect the depiction of Jesus’ birth, while the city aims to eject the case (for TheBlaze’s past analysis of this case, read here).

Santa Monica Nativity Scenes Sues Over Nativity Display

Photo Credit: Santa Monica Nativity Scenes

“It’s a sad, sad commentary on the attitudes of the day that a nearly 60-year-old Christmas tradition is now having to hunt for a home, something like our savior had to hunt for a place to be born because the world was not interested,” said Hunter Jameson, head of the nonprofit Santa Monica Nativity Scene Committee that is suing.

Missing from the courtroom drama will be Vix and his fellow atheists, who are not parties to the case. Their role outside court highlights a tactical shift as atheists evolve into a vocal minority eager to get their non-beliefs into the public square as never before.

National atheist groups earlier this year took out full-page newspaper ads and hundreds of TV spots in response to the Catholic bishops’ activism around women’s health care issues and are gearing up to battle for their own space alongside public Christmas displays in small towns across America this season.

“In recent years, the tactic of many in the atheist community has been, if you can’t beat them, join them,” said Charles Haynes, a senior scholar at the First Amendment Center and director of the Newseum’s Religious Freedom Education Project in Washington. “If these church groups insist that these public spaces are going to be dominated by a Christian message, we’ll just get in the game – and that changes everything.”

In the past, atheists primarily fought to uphold the separation of church and state through the courts. The change underscores the conviction held by many nonbelievers that their views are gaining a foothold, especially among young adults.

Photo Credit: Santa Monica Nativity Scenes

The Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life released a study last month that found 20 percent of Americans say they have no religious affiliation, an increase from 15 percent in the last five years. Atheists took heart from the report, although Pew researchers stressed that the category also encompassed majorities of people who said they believed in God but had no ties with organized religion and people who consider themselves “spiritual” but not “religious.”

“We’re at the bottom of the totem pole socially, but we have muscle and we’re flexing it,” said Annie Laurie Gaylor, co-president of the Wisconsin-based Freedom from Religion Foundation. “Ignore our numbers at your peril.”

The trouble in Santa Monica began three years ago, when Vix applied for and was granted a booth in Palisades Park alongside the story of Jesus Christ’s birth, from Mary’s visit from the Angel Gabriel to the traditional crèche.

Vix hung a simple sign that quoted Thomas Jefferson: “Religions are all alike — founded on fables and mythologies.” The other side read “Happy Solstice.” He repeated the display the following year but then upped the stakes significantly.

In 2011, Vix recruited 10 others to inundate the city with applications for tongue-in-cheek displays such as a homage to the “Pastafarian religion,” which would include an artistic representation of the great Flying Spaghetti Monster.

The secular coalition won 18 of 21 spaces. The two others went to the traditional Christmas displays and one to a Hanukkah display.

The atheists used half their spaces, displaying signs such as one that showed pictures of Poseidon, Jesus, Santa Claus and the devil and said: “37 million Americans know myths when they see them. What myths do you see?”

Most of the signs were vandalized and in the ensuing uproar, the city effectively ended a tradition that began in 1953 and earned Santa Monica one of its nicknames, the City of the Christmas Story.

The Santa Monica Nativity Scenes Committee argues in its lawsuit that atheists have the right to protest, but that freedom doesn’t trump the Christians’ right to free speech.

“If they want to hold an opposing viewpoint about the celebration of Christmas, they’re free to do that – but they can’t interfere with our right to engage in religious speech in a traditional public forum,” said William Becker, attorney for the committee. “Our goal is to preserve the tradition in Santa Monica and to keep Christmas alive.”

The city doesn’t prohibit churches from caroling in the park, handing out literature or even staging a play about the birth of Jesus and churches can always set up a nativity on private land, Deputy City Attorney Jeanette Schachtner said in an email.

The decision to ban the displays also saves the city, which had administered the cumbersome lottery process used to award booths, both time and money while preserving the park’s aesthetics, she said.

For his part, Vix is surprised – and slightly amused – at the legal battle spawned by his solitary act but doesn’t plan anything further.

“That was such a unique and blatant example of the violation of the First Amendment that I felt I had to act,” said the 44-year-old set builder. “If I had another goal, it would be to remove the `under God’ phrase from the Pledge of Allegiance – but that’s a little too big for me to take on for right now.”

The First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution guarantees freedom of speech and religion, but also states that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.” That has been interpreted by courts as providing for separation of church and state, barring government bodies from promoting, endorsing or funding religion or religious institutions.

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TheePolitinator
Posted on November 19, 2012 at 11:52am
Yes and why don’t people start standing their ground. I am flying the American flag upside down. I will set up a massive nativity and the first person that tries to take it down has a big surprise coming. If you don’t like something deal with it. This persecution of Christianity has had its place in history. Remember the Roman Empire?

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- CatB
  Posted on November 19, 2012 at 12:05pm
  I also have a Nativity that will be displayed in my yàrd … last year I only had Mary. Joseph. Baby Jesus and an Angel. This year I have added three Wisemen. a Shepard and Sheep.
  
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- Small_Al
  Posted on November 19, 2012 at 12:38pm
  Why are these anti-religous freedom people so afraid of a holiday that supports love, hope and joy. Read fresh political commentary at: http://smallcraftadvisorychronicles.blogspot.com/
  
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- The_Cabrito_Goat
  Posted on November 19, 2012 at 1:12pm
  Catb, think bigger. Move your nativity scene to anywhere that is not private. All wars are won in the trenches. The only thing atheists have to back up their unconstitutional assault on religious expression is one, maybe two caselaws. If we still governed by caselaw, there would still be Jim Crow.
  
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- Pontiaku
  Posted on November 19, 2012 at 1:45pm
  [I also have a Nativity that will be displayed in my yàrd]
  So?
  [This year I have added three Wisemen. a Shepard and Sheep.]
  And the year after that you can add space aliens and Mohammad.
  Really don’t give a crap about your yard.
- The_Cabrito_Goat
  Posted on November 20, 2012 at 12:21pm
  Jefferson responded with the exact words from the constitution to allay their fears. (the first amendment) He then mentioned the “establishment clause” created a “wall of seperation between church and state.”
  
  BOOYAH!! The smoking gun! Time to dance for heathen joy!
  
  Actually, no. Not even close.If you read the letter, instead of taking talking points from atheist websites, Jefferson’s clear meaning was that *religions were protected from the state* not the other way around.
  
  “The legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions.”
  
  You’ll also notice that there is no mention of constitutional protection from “being offended.” If a person is offended by a religious display on government property….tough. I feel very sorry for you if a simple T-shaped object causes you so much ire towards your neighbors and city.
  
  BUT HEY! There’s always France. I hear they do not allow crosses to be worn as jewelry in government buildings. Sounds like you’d fit right in there, atheist.
  
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- The_Cabrito_Goat
  Posted on November 20, 2012 at 12:54pm
  (the first part was blocked for some reason I honestly dont know, so I’ll repost it)
  
  “Congress shall make *no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof*; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
  
  That doesn’t seem very hard to understand, does it not? There’s no problem as long as Congress doesn’t make a law that tells Americans that the church of the flying spaghetti monster is the official state religion to which all people must participate, or pass a law that prohibits us from worshipping or not worshipping.
  
  Given the very straightforward, succinct and concise definition, where does all this hostility and enmity towards religion originate from?
  
  In 1802 (fifteen years after the constitution was signed), the Danbury Baptist Association, a minority religious group at the time, gave concern that they had no “inalienable Rights” to worship as they chose. Instead, they felt that they were only allowed to worship out of “favor” with the state of Connecticut where they dwelled.
  
  And so the group penned a letter to then-President Jefferson, seeking his guidance and mastery of the constitution for counsel.
  
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- Pontiaku
  Posted on November 20, 2012 at 5:11pm
  TCG, I can’t follow your incoherent meltdown. It’s just drivel and spastic strawman arguments. All I can say is your rights stop where the rights of others start. Which means the religious majority does not get to run roughshod over the minority. You don’t get to display religious propaganda in a public park, muslims don’t get to display religious propaganda in a public park, atheist don’t get to display anti religious propaganda in a public park…. Thus everyone’s civil rights are protected and everybody wins.
  END.OF.DISCUSSION.
  
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beggindog
Posted on November 19, 2012 at 11:37am
Ha! So atheists complain about a religious holiday (that btw is a major part of the consumer economy) while they are just as guilty of trying to shove their non-belief down others’ throats as zealously as any muslim or evangelical christian who proselytizes about “The Truth”…

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- Balpit
  Posted on November 19, 2012 at 4:43pm
  I recall some militant atheists bragging how they don’t go around proselytizing their (lack of) beliefs.
  Despite creating websites encouraging adults to outgrow “fairy tales” and putting up signs in December encouraging people to celebrate “reason” instead of Jesus.
  
  At least Christians don’t go creating organizations for the sole purpose of trampling the religious freedoms of non-Christians.
  
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nonofmybiznez
Posted on November 19, 2012 at 10:49am
ITS TIME FOR CHRISTIANS TO BUY PRIVATE PROPERTY IN THE CENTER OF EVERY CITY SO THEY CAN FREELY EXPRESS THEIR BELIEFS AND SHARE THE LOVE OF CHRIST. Please share this with pastors and religious groups everywhere. If everyone donated in the purchase of a privatly owned parcel the Atheists can’t stop them. Can they?

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- justangry
  Posted on November 19, 2012 at 10:57am
  Why don’t you find out who the lawyers in the ACLU that are behind this before you start blaming atheists?
  
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liberalism_is_mental_retardation
Posted on November 19, 2012 at 9:45am
Let’s travel back and say Christianity and Jesus never existed. Guess what???? THERE WOULD BE NO CHRISTMAS!!!! Some please tell these commie bastards to shut the hell up.

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- justangry
  Posted on November 19, 2012 at 10:28am
  Not believing God doesn’t make one a communist any more than being religious makes one an altruist. (though many of you are)
  
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- Pontiaku
  Posted on November 19, 2012 at 11:03am
  [THERE WOULD BE NO CHRISTMAS!!]
  So?
  1. Jesus wasn’t born December 25th.
  2. Exchanging elaborate gifts didn’t come into fruition until the 1800′s.
  3. Other cultures have winter celebrations such as Hanukkah.
  4. The rabid commercialism of christmas has nothing to do with christ.
  Christmas/winter celebrations should be about time spent with friends & family, not about some magical human sacrifice to himself to save ourselves from himself.
  
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- AvengerK
  Posted on November 19, 2012 at 11:12am
  You taking Christmas day off work JUSTANGRY?
  
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- justangry
  Posted on November 19, 2012 at 11:35am
  @AvengerK, I celebrate Christmas even as an agnostic. Regardless of whether I believe Jesus was the son of God, doesn’t mean I can’t celebrate the birth if I believe in most of his message.
  
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- resme
  Posted on November 19, 2012 at 11:51am
  what? Christmas is a pagan holiday, lol.
  
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- longknifed
  Posted on November 19, 2012 at 12:20pm
  Most Christian holidays are actually pagan holidays. Christianity is dying off because of the hypocrisy of evangelicals are turning people away from it.
  
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- The_Cabrito_Goat
  Posted on November 19, 2012 at 1:16pm
  Nobody knows when Jesus was born. Why not have his holiday be on the darkest day of the year, the winter solstice? I can’t think of a better time to bring light into people’s lives when things are as cold and dreary as they are.
  
  Why do you despise when other people have merriment, pontiaku?
  
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- Pontiaku
  Posted on November 19, 2012 at 1:42pm
  [Why do you despise when other people have merriment, pontiaku?]
  I like how you gleaned my disdain for “other people” when I clearly said
  [Christmas/winter celebrations should be about time spent with friends & family,]
  Most people do not celebrate the birth of some magic baby anymore.
  They celebrate to be with friends and family. My disdain is for the belief that a sky daddy’s human sacrifice to himself to save ourselves from himself was ever something to celebrate and not just flat out abhorrent and ridiculous.
  
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- The_Cabrito_Goat
  Posted on November 19, 2012 at 2:30pm
  Fantastic. Now leave the perfectly legal nativity scenes unmolested.
  
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- Pontiaku
  Posted on November 19, 2012 at 3:28pm
  Oh ho ho. First you imply I despise people, now you imply the nativity scene is legal based on something I said. Can you say “DESPERATE”? The tax payer funded government park is not your yard, your church, or your person.
  
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- The_Cabrito_Goat
  Posted on November 19, 2012 at 6:40pm
  “The legitimate powers of government reach actions only and not opinions.” –Thomas Jefferson to Danbury Baptists, 1802.
  
  That woeful letter which began all this broohaha. Tell me, does the first ammendment AS THE FOUNDERS UNDERSTOOD IT consider removal of a nativity scene an action or an opinion? Don’t be vague.
  
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- Pontiaku
  Posted on November 19, 2012 at 8:19pm
  FYI the constitution does not stop with the first or second amendment. To answer your question, a nativity scene on public property is not an “opinion”, it is clearly an “action”. It violates civil rights of others, the supremacy clause, and the 14th Amendment. Christians have no more right to place a nativity scene in the park than Muslims or Jews have a right to put up religious displays. Government is not a tool for religious propaganda.
  
  Are you even trying to argue a point or having a meltdown?
  
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- Pontiaku
  Posted on November 19, 2012 at 8:35pm
  [AS THE FOUNDERS UNDERSTOOD IT consider removal of a nativity scene an action or an opinion?]
  Wow reread what you wrote and it looks like you need to reread what Jefferson wrote. He wasn’t speaking of governments actions or opinions.
  
  “The legitimate powers of government reach actions only and not opinions.”
  It is clear the government has the authority to limit actions but not opinions. This is why pagans can’t sacrifice a goat in a public park (action) but at the same time it cannot imprison them for believing they can (opinion). Thus stopping such “actions”, even if they are religious beliefs, are well within the powers of government.
  
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- The_Cabrito_Goat
  Posted on November 20, 2012 at 1:09pm
  “Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”
  
  Ah, the 14th amendment. There is, with the exception of the first, no amendment that has been as twisted or contorted as much as the 14th. The “birthright citizenship clause” was originally meant to ensure that all children of newly-freed slaves were automatically citizens of the racist United States of America.
  
  The mistake the state’s legislators and lawmakers made, which I can only guess happened because of the fratricidal civil war befuddling and hazing their judgement and forethought, was that they did not add an expiration date to this amendment (how many first generation freed slaves are left? Zero.) or add any *ironclad* meaning behind it.
  
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oldincarolina
Posted on November 19, 2012 at 9:40am
I cannot believe what is happening to my country. God , help us , pease.

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1snake1
Posted on November 19, 2012 at 9:25am
it amazes me that people who are capable of believing the ridiculous myths of christianity are smart enough to figure out how to use the Internet. There is something to be said for the usenet days….

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- The_Cabrito_Goat
  Posted on November 19, 2012 at 6:55pm
  By your insinuation, all Christians = idiots.
  
  Quite the broad stroke. Maybe you’re not quite fit to post here if you’re going to make such lazy, unenforceable remarks.
  
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South Philly Boy
Posted on November 19, 2012 at 9:10am
Tell the COMMIES to LOOK the other way

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truthsurfer
Posted on November 19, 2012 at 8:59am
Keep the nativity and ban the loser athiest POS

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I Aint PC
Posted on November 19, 2012 at 8:57am
So the rest of the year, the Christian residents can sue for having an atheist display? (having nothing in the park.)

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- DeavonReye
  Posted on November 19, 2012 at 9:19am
  I don’t see “nothing” in parks. I see people, trees, various plants, man made structures for kids to play on, . . . . the effects of wind, sun shining on the grass, etc. Something ANY of us can enjoy.
  
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- 10-32inIdaho
  Posted on November 19, 2012 at 9:19am
  By removing the nativity, aren’t they forcing their religion on others? There is nothing promising freedom from religion.
  
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- DeavonReye
  Posted on November 19, 2012 at 9:24am
  Idaho. . . . I [personally] don’t care if they have a nativity scene up. I see them all the time during this holiday season. But how is “not having any religious symbols” the same as “a religion”? Atheism can’t be “a religion” since it is merely the rejection of some religion’s god claims.
  
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- 10-32inIdaho
  Posted on November 19, 2012 at 9:31am
  display nothing, seems to represent their beliefs, as to religion
  
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- 10-32inIdaho
  Posted on November 19, 2012 at 9:39am
  I am not a fan of organized religion. But I am a fan of people being allowed to warship/celebrate their belief system as long as it does not infringe on others. How does a nativity or a cross infringe on others? Seems like those who are offended need a little thicker skin. Asking the courts or the government to resolve our problems is like calling the police for a family fight. They will “Solve” it but nobody will like the answer. That is more my point. If you believe in global warming, buy a Prius. I will drive my SUV (while going bankrupt) but it is all about choice. I do not seek the banning of the Prius because I do not believe in an agenda based theory.
  
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- DeavonReye
  Posted on November 19, 2012 at 10:14am
  That’s why I don’t speak out against the nativity scene. It IS a part of this time of the year for many people. I find it silly, but won’t deny someone of it. It isn’t like the nativity is up all year around. But “not having anything up” isn’t the same as “the religion of atheism”. That’s the only point I’m making here. No religious displays is the norm. The nativity [for the short time it is up] is a religious expression that is important to many. I don’t have an issue with it.
  
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denkat56
Posted on November 19, 2012 at 8:57am
When are the religious people going to say enough is enough, and put up a nativity scenes in all their yards. Then let the atheist groups complain to the city.

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- seek.the.truth
  Posted on November 19, 2012 at 10:19am
  It would speak volumes if every Christian family erected a display; not only at Christmas either–a ten commandments or maybe just a verse. A few families near me have put up crosses and light them at night.
  
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U4eeeahhh
Posted on November 19, 2012 at 8:50am
There are only two legally correct paths here; 1. Allow all citizens to compete for a chance to get the publicly owned exhibit space like they did with the lottery or 2. Have no displays. The city tried the first and it failed becasue Christians had to vandalize all the displays they didn’t like so they chose the safer course to just end the offending exhibits.

This is situation is either every one or no one. Certainly in a diverse a community like Santa Monica [where I once lived] you can not say that an exclusively Christian display represents the community.

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- TeresaJ
  Posted on November 19, 2012 at 9:51am
  If you put up a mean-spirited display, you should expect a response. I don’t endorse vandalism, but I’m not sorry for what happened to their signs.
  
  If the athiests want to put up a display promoting good cheer, by all means do it, but the only thing this has to do with is vindictiveness. The City of Santa Monica shouldn’t put up with it, and neither should it’s people.
  
  The left decries “hate speech.” I suppose in a manner of speaking, so do we. You can oppose something without making yourself a jerk.
  
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- Locked
  Posted on November 19, 2012 at 10:19am
  “The City of Santa Monica shouldn’t put up with it, and neither should it’s people.”
  
  Just to check, you approve of the city banning all displays, then? The city of Santa Monica didn’t put up with either “mean spirited” displays, nor the vandalism of those displays.
  
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- jimbo_from_suwanee
  Posted on November 19, 2012 at 1:23pm
  “…put up with either “mean spirited” displays, nor the vandalism of those displays.”
  
  As an uniformed liberal, I not sure if you know this or not, but it is neither/nor and either/or. Just trying to help.
  
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DadRocked
Posted on November 19, 2012 at 8:47am
Amendment 1 – Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Breakdown: FREEDOM OF RELIGION, PRESS, EXPRESSION
CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW – (Directed to and meant for the congress/government)
RESPECTING AN ESTABLISHMENT – (To make law)
OF RELIGION – (Self explanatory – OF Religion not FROM Religion)
OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEROF; – (Self Explanatory)

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Locked
Posted on November 19, 2012 at 8:42am
I think the town was foolish for banning all displays. I think the compromise of last year (where there is a lottery for those who wish to put up displays) was a fair one. I’m interested in seeing how the courts will rule on this.

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carnivour
Posted on November 19, 2012 at 8:37am
Atheists should set up nothingness scenes and leave Jesus alone.

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- justangry
  Posted on November 19, 2012 at 8:49am
  Most do leave you all alone.
  
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HKS
Posted on November 19, 2012 at 8:13am
All of this ridiculous crap is the handy work of Lawyers looking for a gig, as is most of the ills of this society.

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- rickc34
  Posted on November 19, 2012 at 8:41am
  They can take away symbols but Christ lives in my heart. Our God reigns . Nothing this cult will do will change the outcome of what God has planned.
  
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lisa61
Posted on November 19, 2012 at 8:04am
it always amazes me..
CHRISTMAS is GOV holiday, Gov employees get the day off ..
yet atheists don’t want it displayed on GOV PROPERTY ???????????
really ?

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- noslave
  Posted on November 19, 2012 at 8:40am
  great idea??you gave me,all companies that atheists work at, should not get paid for religious holidays??you dont want o hurt their feelings??
  
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- 10-32inIdaho
  Posted on November 19, 2012 at 9:28am
  They can show up and clean. How wonderfull! I say start a petition. Right next to disolving minority status. Everyone deserves a fair shot, playing by the same rules right.
  
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pilgrim249
Posted on November 19, 2012 at 8:03am
When a man declares that there is no God, he is also declaring that he has no soul.

When soulless creatures (children of the Beast) gain control, they always persecute the children of God.

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- justangry
  Posted on November 19, 2012 at 8:58am
  Sigh… Please consider the percentage of atheists in the country to those that go after Christmas, commandments in public buildings, etc. There is no need to judge an entire group of people based on the actions of a few.
  
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- 10-32inIdaho
  Posted on November 19, 2012 at 9:45am
  Like JIhadists right? When athiests start to reject the actions of those extremists, we will be able to come together on the things that we agree on. Sounds just like another war on another group of people. We live in a time when people can protest a soldier’s funeral with all kinds of vile signs and they are protected, but we cannot defend a nativity? How crazy are we?
  
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dublinthewagons
Posted on November 19, 2012 at 8:00am
Minority rule. The last stronghold for believers is falling. Everyone must take responsibility for self first.
There will be one last destruction and it is at hand. Tomorrow has no gurantee

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- 10-32inIdaho
  Posted on November 19, 2012 at 9:50am
  Amen! :)
  
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tradcatholicgirl
Posted on November 19, 2012 at 7:54am
Do these atheists realize they live whose very name honors a very devout Christian…Saint Monica?

Are they going to petition to change the city name next?

Saint Monica is known for her patience. Her faith eventually converted her pagan husband, mother-in-law, and her brilliant son, Augustine..

Florida has a city named after him too..

The city of Saint Augustine was founded about 500 years ago. Maybe the atheists can run down there and rid them of their Christian heritage too?

When are these militant atheists going to get a life of their own?

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- 10-32inIdaho
  Posted on November 19, 2012 at 9:57am
  Afterlife. They will see the light then. Or not.
  
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Gonzo
Posted on November 19, 2012 at 7:49am
“National atheist groups earlier this year took out full-page newspaper ads and hundreds of TV spots in response to the Catholic bishops’ activism around women’s health care issues”

You should have saved your money, the majority of Catholics still voted for Obama.

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- Lois150
  Posted on November 19, 2012 at 8:25am
  No they didn’t, the voting machines flipped the votes.
  http://conservativevideos.com/2012/11/programmer-under-oath-admits-computers-rig-elections/
  
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blanco5
Posted on November 19, 2012 at 7:48am
It’s kalifornia. God got kicked out a long time ago.

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- Gonzo
  Posted on November 19, 2012 at 9:10am
  They think they did, but He is still there and sees what’s going on. Not just in Cali either, all over the country. That’s why things are getting progressively worse. His blessing and protection have been removed.
  
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- momrules
  Posted on November 19, 2012 at 10:08am
  Gonzo is right. He is here and He is aware and still in control. He has just removed His divine protection from America and indeed, the world, because He has been rejected. Time is very short.
  
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momrules
Posted on November 19, 2012 at 7:46am
The continuation of Satan’s war against God. The atheists are not even aware of who they are working for because in their arrogant blindness they cannot see the truth.

This was all predicted long ago. I pity these people.

God bless Israel.

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KingCanon
Posted on November 19, 2012 at 7:41am
Onward CHRISTIAN Soldier!

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TexPat
Posted on November 19, 2012 at 7:39am
I do not know about the rest of you but I, for one, can understand why our country is in such trouble. God Bless America.

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kickagrandma
Posted on November 19, 2012 at 7:32am
PRAYING FOR our brothers and sisters in the CHRISTIAN FAITH in California and the world over.

PRAY ON, AMERICA.
PRAY FOR US here in AMERICA and for REAL CHRISTIANS and REAL JEWS around the world.
PRAY FOR ISRAEL.
PRAY, too, for our enemies. *sigh*

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