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Which Republican Was the Obama Camp Most Scared Of Running Against? The Answer May Surprise You
After a grueling campaign season, Obama’s campaign manager Jim Messina sat down for a rare on camera interview Tuesday morning with Politico’s White House corespondent Mike Allen. Allen asked Messina “what republican candidate would have had the best shot at beating your boss?”
Messina thought for a moment and said, “I think we were honest about our concerns about Huntsman.”
“I think Huntsman would have been a very tough general election candidate,” he continued. “He’s a good guy. We looked at his profile in a general election and thought he would have been difficult.”
On January 31, 2011, Huntsman submitted his resignation from his post as U.S. Ambassador to China. Huntsman formally entered the race for the Republican presidential nomination on June 21, 2011, announcing his bid in a speech at Liberty State Park in New Jersey. The former Utah governor finished third in the New Hampshire primary and announced the end of his campaign on January 16, 2012, endorsing Mitt Romney.
If he would have made it to the general election, the 2012 campaign would have certainly looked different:
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revelation2012
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 4:26pmthe unions are at ‘it’ again
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The-Monk
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 4:51pmThe problem with Huntsman is that he was an Ambassador.
And we all know how this Administration treats Ambassadors….. : (
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Spirit 72
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 5:06pmEven Mitt could have won if:
1. We had massed True the Vote folks in the known strategic pockets of vote stealing
2. Mitt had come out, with rousing, hard hitting speeches about attacking the debt not each other, closing our borders so non citizens would not rob us of our jobs, reversing illegal Presidential exec orders, and other Tea Party things that won in 2010.
We can afford a hand up, but we can no longer afford hand outs.
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Gold Coin & Economic News
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 5:40pmI think Newt Gingrich would consumed Obama brain in a debate. There’s no way Obama could have even come close to matching the intellectual brilliance of Gingrich. THAT would have been fun to watch. Honestly though, with the way the media was in full spin mode, I doubt any republican could have won:
http://www.isthatbaloney.com/media-manipulation-wins-election-and-for-more-years-for-obama-blame-the-media/
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The_Jerk
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 5:40pmThat’s because Huntsman’s a white Obama.
marybethelizabeth
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 6:05pmMr. Beck is personal friends with John Huntsman, hence the puff piece. This friendship might be an indictment of Mr. Huntsman’s reasoning ability.
Anyway, did you hear Mr. Beck today giving a glowing review to another “friend” if his’ new musical, “A Christmas Story”? Mr Beck says he hates “The Christmas Story” but gave the musical high praise.
Mr. Beck can be bought for as little as the price of a ticket. Maybe That’s why Mr. Huntsman tolerates him.
h20sue
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 6:10pmYou couldn’t be more right. The “unions” need to go!!!! This is the problem in America, and the fact that that prayer has been removed from all sports and school activities. As a baby boomer, I’m disgusted that Washington D.C and the Supreme Courts have allowed this to happen. It’s disgusting and wrong. If people don’t want to pray, then don’t. We’re not holding a gun to their heads. No one made us pray when we were growing up. Our parents taught us and instlled right from wrong, and we respected our elders and our parents. We honored our dead, we honored and respected our military. We believe in the ten commandments and they should always be honored. No they should not be removed from public space.
It’s wrong as our country was built on God’s faith and we should never allow it to change. NEVER.
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bpete
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 6:24pm@MaryBethElizabeth
Glenn is personal friends with Jon Huntsman SENIOR.
Jon JUNIOR is the former ambassador.
Jon Hunstman is a great man.
JUNIOR is nothing like his father.
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Marci
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 6:34pmNotice the only ones who have a shot at beating Obama are those that are closest to leftist ideals. Huntsman would have lost too, he would have been left enough, just wouldn’t promise all the goodies.
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Marine25
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 6:36pmHuntsman was the only Republican I would have voted for. Posted here he was the only Republican that could win. But he served his country at the request of a Democrat, must be a RINO. But he believed in science, must be a closet atheist. But he spoke Mandarin, must be a communist. He was impeccably educated…ELITE!! So the base dismissed their only winner on ‘principle’.
He actually understood economics and foreign affairs. He had a better resume for the White House than anyone since George the First. He would have won independents and moderates and broke even with women. Of course the Democrats feared him, they understand the electorate. He won’t run again, but Santorum and Gingrich and another Bush will. They’ll lose too.
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Jetstream001
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 6:38pmThe only man that had a chance at defeating Obama was Ron Paul. Really.
The GOP showed their disdain for a man who was more ‘Republican’ than the Republicans.
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sparkyrules
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 6:40pm@MaryMeth
You must really like Glen.Listening to his radio programs,always commenting on his Blaze news site.
BTW,Glen said he never liked the Christmas Story movie,and that he’d only watched half of it at some point.After loving the Broadway musical,he says he decided to watch the movie version again this weekend.And the movie was out before the musical,btw.
In any case,its great classic Americana and you need to get your facts straight.
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grayling646
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 6:41pmI was gonna respond to Mary Beth’s comment but it’s Mary Beth for pete’s sake. Why bother…?
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Lonescrapper
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 6:43pmIs there a candidate more white than Mitt Romney? Yes. John Huntsman. It’s about values, not race or politics. Lets get back to American Values. http://www.noellecampbell.com
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ItallstartedwithReagan
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 6:53pmI absolutely agree with this article. Hunstmann is moderate. Something the far right republican caucus could not tolerate. He was only republican voice of reason on that stage. He’s LDS but believes in anthropomorphic global warming, believes in evolution, and appreciates the spirituality of other faiths. It’s sad day in american when an Eisenhower minded republican get booted from the party. I should also mention another formidable 2016 ticket would be Jeb Bush, and Chris Christie. Jeb bush is very moderate, married to a hispanic, knows fluent spanish etc, popular among spanish speaking voters in Florida. Christie is also a moderate (which in recent times has hurt him politically) I believe that ticket would pose a serious challenge to democrats.
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RLTW
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 7:02pmAnd MaryB has voted itself into state slavery for a phone, band aid and a thermometer, don’t worry MB central planning will inform you of your diet and living quarters at a later date.
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MadAsHeII
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 7:10pmJetstream001, I agree with your assessment.
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SendTheMeteors
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 8:42pmHuntsman believes in evolution and global warming, and, in general, science. That’s three strikes. Someone like that doesn’t have a chance to win a Republican primary.
Republicans aren’t stupid enough to believe all this “science” nonsense. Marco Rubio, a leading contender for the Presidency in 2016 – especially since he’s Hispanic – has already declared his position on this so called science issue by saying he doesn’t know if the universe is 9000 years old or +13 billion because he isn’t a “scientist.” That’s a start anyway.
The only way Republicans have a chance of winning future elections is by declaring the Truth: global warming is a big money making hoax, people didn’t evolve from monkeys (then why are there still monkeys???), that you can learn all you need to about the age of the Earth by reading the Bible and that tax breaks for rich people is the only tried and true way to stimulate the economy.
Forget these RINOS. We have to take this country back and the only way is to hewing to the TRUTH.
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ApokTheGreat
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 8:43pmTo be honest America chose to be a prostitute. Many voter blocks chose to sell their votes for hand outs, open borders, or whatever Obama was promising to give them this time. Americans prostituted themselves.
On the flip-side, the prostitute won the election. Obama was willing to sell himself and American values and other people’s money for votes. He prostituted himself.
I will never vote for a prostitute regardless of the party label. Today, the GOP is talking about what they can sell off for votes (namely open borders to Hispanics). This will only buy fleeting loyalty, like a prostitute loves you until the money runs out then she is off to other men.
If Hispanic votes are for sale and the price is our sacred principles of the Rule of Law…NO DEAL!!!
If the GOP is willing to sell our sacred principles for votes….NO DEAL!!!
I refuse to treat people as prostitutes. I refuse to treat myself as a prostitute. We have dignity! NO DEAL!!!
GOP if you sell out…NO DEAL!!!
constitutionparty.com
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Independent4233
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 9:13pmGood lord. Huntsman?
Did they really think THAT???
Nonsense.
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montanalablover
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 10:21pm@Gold Coin & Economic News
You are absolutely right. I said that from the beginning. Gingrich would have run circles around Obama in a debate and would have eaten his lunch. And your right about the media in full love fest mode for the OVAL OFFICE CLOWN and just too many parasitic welfare moochers suckin’ on the government tit, I don’t think the Republicans could have won as they are the party of SELF RELIANCE AND PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.
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Brooke Lorren
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 10:58pmActually, MaryBeth, Glenn Beck is friends with John Huntsman’s dad, John Huntsman Sr, not John Huntsman Jr. Glenn is not a great fan of his son.
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TransmitToVladmir
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 11:09pmQ: “Which Republican Was the Obama Camp Most Scared Of Running Against?”
OBAMA’S A: None. (That why he can say to Vladmir Putin: “This is my last election. After my election, I have more flexibility.”) (No need to mention voting fraud, is there?)
AMERICA’S A: All of them! They are Progressives(communists) … just like Obama.
“Yes, they are going to enforce a national I.D., the deadline is January 15th, of this coming year. It is the time for the New World Order’s economic system to be implemented. National I.D. will be required to hold a job. EVERY MAJOR AMERICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE, EXCEPT ONE, FAVORS THE NATIONAL I.D. Every candidate except one favors you having a national I.D.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFG2Nb2Lj2U – “NEW WORLD ORDER National ID & Economic System To Be ENFORCED In U.S.A. January 15th 2013″
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banjarmon
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 12:48amTwo people that Really scare the crap out of the Libs PALIN and WEST!!!!
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Restored One
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 12:53am@Gold- I agree that Newt may have been the best bet at taking down Obama, but we would not have gained much with regards to politcs. It would have been a good show though. I love Glenn, but I believe that he is the one that took Newt out of the race. Beck took Newt out from the beginning and everyone he pushed for after that………well, we know how it all ended. And so we must rock on. Beck has always said that he is not good at politics, and we should hold him at his word. Sorry Beck.
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ChildOfTheKing
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 1:35amThis election was fixed for the LIAR-IN-CHIEF! We never had a chance.
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Chi_Chi
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 6:11amI don’t think the amnistration was afriad of any Republican because they knew they culd count on ignorance and he fraud machine. Read fresh political commentary at: http://smallcraftadvisorychronicles.blogspot.com/
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Stuck_in_CA
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 7:33amHere’s what we REALLY need to be paying attention too:
GOP legally barred from fighting vote fraud
Voting machines suspiciously defaulting to Barack Obama? Buses loaded with strangers appearing at polling stations? Even ballots turning out 100 percent for one candidate in precinct reports?
In short, suspicions of vote fraud?
That’s too bad, because a race-based consent decree negotiated by Democrats against the Republican National Committee a generation ago still has tied the RNC’s hands, and GOP officials could be cited for contempt – or worse – if they try to make sure American elections are clean.
Impossible?
No. Fact.
The case is the Democratic National Committee vs. the Republican National Committee, originally from 1982…. http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/gop-legally-barred-from-fighting-vote-fraud/print/
Time for a new CONSERVATIVE PARTY!!!
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Ballot_Box_Revolution
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 8:35amLOL…..they are really trying hard to push the new vision of the GOP…….”If we want to be more of a force against the DNC we need to become more like them”
I don’t know about anyone else but Huntsman appeared to me to be a Dem posing as a Republican…The Republican party is dead, and so be it, I was once a pawn for them and did not even realize it. I do not mourn the loss of the party.
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poorrichard09
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 8:46amHuntsman was appointed ambassador by 0bamao-so they must see eye to eye. An Huntsman is waaaay liberal, he would have been a terrible candidate.
Messina is showing a stupidity that is the reason we can’t get Repubs elected. Yes, I know we don’t need Repubs, but a CONSERVATIVE.
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WakingSheep
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 9:33amNope,
The only message that could have beat Obama in the general was the liberty message.
Which candidate was that again?
You know; the one that talked about N D A A, The UN, The Patriot Act, Drone strikes in sovereign nations, sound currency, the FED, TSA, EPA, DOE, Agenda 21, WARS, and the other actual important issues.
I would have loved to see an actual debate with the items I mentioned above!
Instead we saw an “economic debate” with Obama and Romney fighting over who could manage “their” programs best.
“but….but…. I didn’t like his foreign policy” BAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Jaycen
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 10:19amThe Obama Administration was worried about running against a Progressive Socialist who’s more to the left than Romney? That’s hard to believe.
Romney never could have won, unless he got all of Obama’s voters. Principled Conservatives simply refused to vote for him. Those of us who were less principled and desperate voted anyway.
Gingrich might be a hardass, but he’s not a Conservative. He’s a Republican and he’s very open about that fact that he’s a Progressive.
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Jaycen
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 10:22am@WakingSheep
Never going to vote for a 9/11-truther like Ron Paul. Never going to vote for someone who says “Who cares if Iran gets a nuke?” like Ron Paul.
Give me Austrian Economics. Give me smaller government. Eliminate Socialist Security and Medicare. But I will not vote for a man who surrounds himself with anti-Semetic conspiracy (Elders of Zion) theorists. Libertarians should have picked a better candidate.
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GETLIFE
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 10:36amSupposedly Romney lost because he is a wealthy white male with Christian /Mormon values….
Supposedly totally out of touch….
Yeah… Huntsman was the man… sure….
Obama– look at all he said and did the past 4 years. He never doubted he would be “re-elected.”
I had this conversation many times in the past 4 years. He never doubted.
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WakingSheep
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 10:41am@Jaycen
You already don’t know who he is or what his message is if you think he “wants Iran to have nukes” or if you think he is a 9/11 truther.
He never said he believes our government was involed in that day. He said our foreign policy for the last half century has gained us enemies.
He warned of attackes against us because our meddling in other countries affairs even before 9/11.
You realize we give Pakistan over $2 billion in foreign aid each year? They were hiding Bin Laden, Threw the doctor that helped us find him in prison, and they have nukes!
BTW,
Did we ever find those WMD’s in Iraq?
Does Iran really have the capabilities to nuke anybody when they can’t even shoot our prop drone down with a jet?
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WakingSheep
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 11:02amIt’s amazing to me that people care more about whether Iran has nukes then they do about their own government having the authority to detain you without trial.
They are plundering our country and we are worried about the rest of the world…..
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G-WHIZ
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 11:21am…A w.h.-consultant(?)…….REEEEEEEEELY??
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MadAsHeII
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 11:33amWaking Sheep, Haven’t you figured out yet that The Blaze is filled with ignorant people who believe everything Glenn Beck, Hannity, Bill O’Reilly, and the rest of the MSM establishment reporters say blindly? They are not leaders, they are all followers who do not know the truth, they still believe the truth lives here for cryin out loud.
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WakingSheep
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 11:43am@MadAsHeII
Yeah I’ve noticed.
They can’t even look up the fraud that was committed during the primaries.
I’m getting tired of trying….. about to give up and sit on the sidelines while I watch our country being plundered.
Can’t believe I gave up watching sports to get informed only to have nobody listen anyway…..
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WakingSheep
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 11:50am@MadAsHeII
Bill O was the #1 cable show for over 8 years at one point…..
The baby boomers are killing us!!!…..
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LetUsReason
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 2:53pm@ CHILDOFTHEKING
You’re correct, my friend. There is a continuous false narrative that pervades the media: “If Romney did _______, then he would have won.” Romney actually did win! Remember how independents were siding with Romney by double digits? Remember the increase in Republican registration/turnout? Remember the opposite for Democrats? Remember the crowd sizes? Remember the enthusiasm gap? Remember the first debate? Remember? And you want to tell me that, nope, Obama won every single swing state??? You want to tell me that Romney did not get a single vote in 59 PA locations? You want to tell me that the people that don’t get off the couch to get a job are the very same who got off the couch in record numbers to stand in line to vote?? The narrative is a joke!! Anyone that thinks Obama won this thing fair and square is deluding themselves. 2016 will not make one bit of difference who is chosen for Republicans.
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stage9
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 3:51pmOh good God please. Liberals may have been scared of him, but so were we! We don’t need another friggin liberal representative!
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cgnick
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 4:46pmMARINE25: Very well stated. You hit the nail on the head.
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cgnick
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 4:57pmSPIRIT72 said that Mitt could have won had: “Mitt had come out, with rousing, hard hitting speeches about attacking the debt not each other, closing our borders so non citizens would not rob us of our jobs, reversing illegal Presidential exec orders, and other Tea Party things that won in 2010″
Are you not aware that the Tea Party just took shellacking in the recent election? The reason is: The Tea Party supporters come out hard in the primaries and nominate extremists like Mourdock, Walsh, Akin and West. The masses have seen the Tea Party folks and what they bring to the table and they don’t want it. Reasonable people vote for reasonable candidates, and the Tea Party is just plain unreasonable.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 5:49pmyea they were scared of hunstman cuz he was the only one more liberal than Romney
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cosette
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 6:54pm@Maryelizabeth…. Crawl out from in under the burka, your brain is suffering from oxygen deprivation again.
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cosette
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 6:56pm@ Sparkyrules…. Mary meth (LOL) is a stranger to the facts, therefor is unable to “get them straight”. It’s a Muslim thing.
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guns-an-bibles
Posted on November 22, 2012 at 4:00amWhy are they “admitting” this openly? Are they hoping to select our next loser?
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benrush
Posted on November 22, 2012 at 9:44ammary elizabeth – thanks for the robotic, programmed, regurgitation of your liberal upbringing.
Bertrand Russell promised us a generation of brainwashed youth – you are one of the star pupils.
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benrush
Posted on November 22, 2012 at 9:46amsendthemeteors believes in science. She just doesn’t know any.
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SendTheMeteors
Posted on November 22, 2012 at 10:25pmI just don’t see that science serves any purpose in the modern world.
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Scottsman
Posted on November 23, 2012 at 11:36amThey were definitely scared of Ron Paul. All those Mitt Romney band wagon hoppers wasted their vote becaue Romney lost and is obviousely un-elecable.
Funny how for the last 3 years Ron Paul was pushing to stop us from running of the “Fiscal Cliff” and only now is main stream media talking about a Fiscal Cliff AFTER the election. pfffft.
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revelation2012
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 4:19pmdo we believe one word from ‘them’
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Goldmember
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 4:30pmBS, Lying Lyers. If their mouth is open they are lying. Michele Bachman, Newt or Rubio would have been good competition. But if nobody attacked Obama Republicans wouldn’t have won anyway. We should trashed him, his wife, the State dept, Homeland security and of course the hurricane repsonse. Romney was a light weight. And as always, Mika and Joe, bite me!
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Jetstream001
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 6:39pmThey refuse to admit that the man both Dems and Reps are afraid of is Dr. Ron Paul. He was supported by more men in the military than all his GOP competitors combined!!!
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longknifed
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 7:06pmRon Paul was the most feared. This clown is just another decoy. He was Romney-lite-lite-lite if thats even possible. he will never hold any office again.
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Naps
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 8:26pmRon Paul…..nuff said.
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ApokTheGreat
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 8:55pmMarco Rubio is already out there spewing the destruction of the Rule of Law (that means that the law is king, not a man). Always read “amnesty” or “immigration reform” as the destruction of the Rule of Law.
Another sacred principle Marco is wanting to destroy is the Equal Protection of the Law. When he wants to show favoritism to illegals over those that are patiently waiting in line, he is destroying the Equal Protection of the Law.
When a group is willing to sell themselves (their votes) for trinkets (favorable policies) they are prostitutes.
When a Party is willing to sell their nation’s sacred principles for votes they are prostitutes.
Remember a Prostitute only loves you until your trinkets are gone.
If the GOP is willing to treat people as prostitutes (like the Democrats) or be treated as prostitutes I say NO DEAL!!! Our dignity requires much more than that. I refuse to treat any group like a whore and I refuse to be treated as a whore. NO DEAL!!!
NO DEAL!!!
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justangry
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 9:22amYeah, I believe both sides of the aisle are afraid of Ron Paul. It’s so blatantly obvious. If Obama’s people said they were afraid of Huntsman then you can be assured that the furthest candidate from Huntsman is who they’re actually concerned about.
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nealb4zodd
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 10:12amMessina’s an idiot. – - Hunstman is a good man, but no depth. Not yet, anyway. It wasnt his time. And to the guy who posted “ron paul – nuff said” – please go away. You Paulsies are like bedbugs . .we ALL want you whiners gone, but you trolls keep lingering and lingering. The kool aid is out. . Gone . . go find yourself another cult to follow.
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justangry
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 10:26amWho is “we all”, wanker statists?
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WakingSheep
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 11:17amRon Paul
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AZfreeman
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 12:53pmHuntsman? ….really?
These stories are an attempt to test our resolve and use ‘reverse psychology’ on Conservatives (try to convince us you’re afraid of the person you would really have loved to run against). A Huntsman/Oshamo contest would have been a no-lose election for progressives regardless of the outcome. Reverse psychology may work on the ‘useful idiots’ on the left, but the idea is just insulting to the rest of us who actually have a brain. Remember the story of the “Fox and the hare” …the rabbit said, “please don’t throw me in the brier patch” (when that’s exactly what he wanted). Then he danced and sang…”I fooled you, I fooled you…was born and raised in the brier patch”. …rf
“Stand for something, or you’ll fall for anything”.
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Frodo RinosBane
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 4:19pmOh, yeah. Hunstman is the ticket for 2016. Right. Tea, anyone?
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ModerationIsBest
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 12:04amHuntsman was the smartest, most qualified and most sane candidate that the GOP had running…..which means he’s a “progressive” and part of the problem and doesn’t belong in the GOP.
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woodrowsux
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 12:25amBest candidate would have been Sarah Heath Palin. Takes it to Obama as no one else can
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Rockyspoon
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 7:43amThat is the most fanciful, false, falacious piece of written garbage I’ve seen in a long, long, long time there “LongKnife”.
What you spew is the equivalent of literary libelous larceny and has no place on a public forum.
What–you’re so anti-Mormon you drink a gallon of the swill before bed every night, and the same amount every morning?
Appalling. Stupid. You’re one facinorous dude, “LongKnife”.
Oh, and have a good day.
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00100111
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 10:44amIt’s cute how libs assume we care which of the GOP candidates they approve of.
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horsehockey
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 4:11pmHuntsman would have gotten fewer votes than Mitt.
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randy
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 4:34pmHuntsman would have gotten fewer votes than McCain!
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AnAppealToGod
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 6:32pmRomney got fewer votes than mccain
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Inlightofthings
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 9:57pmHORSE: I’m not convinced of that. With the IQ of the average democratic voter, we could have really built on the Snow White and the Huntsman movie. Could have been pretty easy to convince them they were voting for Kristin Stewart and Robert Pattinson – and with her affair with the married producer it could have been a slam dunk because the single moms that voted for free contraception and aborton love that $hi+. Obama voters will bite on anything it seems….
In all honesty, I think the right candidate was Huckabee…we’ll never know.
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LetUsReason
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 4:11pm@ ANAPPEALTOGOD
If you really believe that, then you can be persuaded by the mass media to believe anything. I’m convinced that Romney got more votes than Obama. But you know what? The number on the TV screen 5 ft in front of my TV dinner stand said Obama won. Oh well, I guess that means Obama won. TV said so. And we all know that the media knows all, and numbers (especially electronic ones not able to be verified by the public or tested against authentic ID) can be fudged. Ahhh…the age of electronic numbers and money and math. Let me just crack this odometer, so to speak, and roll this puppy back before I resell. Get my point? No, Romney did not do worse than McCain. And no, I don’t have hard evidence to back my wild claims. But does anyone have “hard evidence” to back up the claim that Obama won? I mean, other than “TV said so”? (Sigh)
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turkey13
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 4:08pmI would have thought it was Herman Cain, a full blood African American. The Demoocrrats would have not been able to use the race card. Because of the R behind his name most blacks didn’t even notice the color of his skin.Blacks are always swept under the rug. When Jessie Jackson ran he was bought off. The Dems have been promising the world to blacks and buy them off with a tricket. More wefare, free phones and lead them around with a ring thru their noses. We did the same to the Indians 250 years ago with beads or trinkets.
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THX-1138
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 4:45pmTruth is, Herman was their worst nightmare. Why else would they have hit him with the ultimate nuclear death blow; allegations of a Black Man getting busy with White Women? They play to the most base, sick, racist fears of the electorate. Gotta go with your strengths I guess…
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cantstandlibs
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 5:27pmLet’s not kid ourselves. The libs ALWAYS use the race card, the sexist card, the xenophobe card and the homophobe card. This election was decided long ago. Mitt used kid gloves against Obama, (the nice guy) and failed to fire up the conservative base. The problem with establishment repubs is their “base” is the independent moderates. Conservatives are just ignored. They play to lose, and when they win, they play from a weak hand. They want 90% the same as liberals, expand their power, they just want to get there a couple years behind the liberal pace. I’ve had enough of both parties.
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Todd Decker
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 4:05pmBah. This is the Progressive Republican the Dems LOVE to run against. After all, what’s better for them? Pure Progressive-Liberal Democrat or Progressive-Lite Republican?
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Jetstream001
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 6:43pmYup. The Dems are setting up the Reps to field a candidate that they can defeat.
The GOP will never win when they try to present themselves as Dem-Lite.
Voters will always go for the real liberals over light-weight ones.
Ron Paul was the only one who drew the crowds and got the attention of the demographics the GOP need in order to win.
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Pantloadian
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 4:04pmDoesn’t surprise me at all. Clearly the smartest guy in the field.
LonDog
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 4:13pmHe was a horrible governor and is a complete idiot. And the married daughter isn’t the brightest light in the sky either.
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Tractorboy
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 5:45pmDid I vote on mars, I thought my guy lost because we were 3 mil short, again the progressives are giving helpfull advice, how rich.
Hey loads/Wango etc. etc. I really have a hard time taking you seriously with your newer avatar, I know you have multiple personalities, and you maybe you use meds. to control it? But still you have triggers that set you off, am I correct? perhaps the sight of a leather belt, the one your father wore, makes you go Wango? then maybe your mom’s breast, and you go Pantloadian, and you fill your…..well if you need help you should seek it, try changing doctors…..have a nice thanksgiving all of you in there.
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Jetstream001
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 6:46pmTractorboy – my guy lost because the party that he ran for used every dirty trick in the book (and invented some new ones along the way) to steal the nomination from him.
They GOP (and hence America) got what they deserved.
If you want to lay blame anywhere for Obama’s re-election, then put it at the doorstep of the Republican Party leaders.
They didn’t deserve to win an election that they forfeited by unethical and illegal actions.
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Tractorboy
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 10:24am@JETSTREAM, Of the 3 choices, freedom and smaller government guy, or big gov.tyranny guy, then you have whoever you want to write in guy, your choice, you did have redress to what you complain. I agree politics is a dirty business, but I think we are in bigger trouble if the rebubs fall for the nonsense of becoming more like the progressives.
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Jeffursun
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 4:03pmAnyone would have been better than that compulsive liar Willard:
http://goo.gl/yXQkj
Can anyone seriously make a case for him NOT being a compulsive liar? Because the evidence is overwhelming.
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LonDog
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 4:09pmgive some credible examples.. As opposed to the constant lies that Barack A Claus has told us from day 1.
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Jeffursun
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 4:19pmWould you prefer John McCain’s examples?
http://goo.gl/cX3sr
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SimpleTruths
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 11:08pmLONDOG
Read the article before making foolish comments. This isn’t left wing spin – it’s HIS OWN WORDS. The fact is Romney could have won if the primary didn’t include a bunch of Tea Party inspired idiots that forced Mitt to abandon his principles.
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pwatkins
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 3:59pmAnyone of them would’ve had a chance against Obama if the media had told the truth during the Obama;s four years and the campaigns…let all the cats out of the bag on Obama so to speak, and of course if there was no voter fraud. I am still not sure Romney didn’t win and it would be hard to make me believe it, but we will never find out. Huntsman was the choice of the left if they couldn’t pull off an Obama win through lies and deceit. He was another Chris Matthews’ idol.
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TurboCat
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 1:34amThe media pecked off each candidate one by one. As each one rose in favor for consideration, they were systematically “disqualified” by the M.S.M.
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ClaudeRains
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 3:59pmYeah right. The dems setting the republicans up for another dumb nominee. His wife and daughters are hot.
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Locked
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 3:56pmI think it would have been a wash, personally. Huntsman might have picked up some moderate independents, but he would have turned off the religious base (even moreso than Romney). And even the amount of moderates he could have gotten might have been slighted by the GOP’s platform. Romney was seen as a flip-flopper but -relatively- moderate on issues like abortion, contraceptives, and gay marriage… but the GOP platform was extremely socially conserative on these issues.
Unless the GOP becomes fiscally conservative and leaves the social issues to the people, what candidate they choose will not matter.
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ThatsJustCrazyTalk
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 7:03pm@Locked: You’re obviously a Paulbot. That’s why Ron Paul was looked at like a joke to True Conservatives. To be a Conservative, you must FIRST be Socially Conservative. Fiscally Conservatism (or, responsibility) is simply a symptom of becoming more responsible as a person.
Remember, it’s FIRST FAMILY, then work your way outward. Saying that you can (should) be fiscally responsible without being morally responsible is asinine.
I’m NOT a member of the GOP or ardent supporter of any party. However, in my lifetime I’ve never voted for a Demoncrat because I see the immorality. You can be just as immoral and be fiscally Conservative. Wouldn’t you call Bernie Madoff et al “Fiscally Conservative? Social Leftism is actually what’s suicide for Conservatives.
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Locked
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 10:38pm” To be a Conservative, you must FIRST be Socially Conservative.”
Bzzzt, wrong. Try again.
Conservatives at heart are for small government. Social conservatives are large government. The two are anathema.
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WakingSheep
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 11:27am@ThatsJustCrazyTalk
The name says it all.
Keep trying to judge people on what they consume or who they sleep with and you will continue to lose.
Liberty is Liberty.
It is not something that should be forced on people because your side believes differently.
How free are we if the only choice we can make is the “right” choice?
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WakingSheep
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 1:10pm@ThatsJustCrazyTalk
Another thing,
Leave judgement up to God.
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midwesthippie
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 3:45pm…mormon#2…would have lost the evangelical vote as did romney…the candidates that could have defeated obama: gingrich, because he could man-handle obama politically and could run on a record of “working” gov’t… or ron paul, because he is a clear choice opposing obama and his anti constitution policy…
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ProgressivePete
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 3:45pmJon Huntsman would have been a tough adversary for the Obama campaign to beat. Voters should pick him for the GOP nomination in 2016. He probably has the best chance against Hillary Clinton in 2016. The Republican party is currently the way the Democratic party was before Bill Clinton ran for president. The problem with the Republican party is that they do not have anyone like Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, or Barack Obama who can connect with people.
For those who think Romney lost because he wasn’t “conservative enough” guess again. Many Liberals, Independents, and minority voters were enthusiastic about voting in this election cycle because they reject the Tea Party values. Many moderate Republicans voted for Obama because they feel he is more to the center than Romney.
If Rick Santorum was the Republican nominee, it would have been even easier for Obama to win because Santorum is the one who started the war on women’s health by writing a proposal which bans contraception
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Jaimo
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 4:07pmGreat, just what we need another has-been with dipsh*t daughters who don’t know how to keep their mouths shut. Huntsman creeped me out more than Romney. Sorry, I felt Romney was a good person even though he was apparently out of touch with some voters, I didn’t get that vibe from Huntsman, the only word that comes to mind is “tool”.
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Farmhand82
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 7:15pmWhy would we listen to someone’s advice when they hate us and want us destroyed politically? That doesn’t seem too bright at all. If the right is “rabid” as the some say, it is. A sign of the times. We’ve never been ratcheting up debt like this outside of World War 2. On top of a handful of broke failing entitlement programs we brilliantly decide to create another. Europe is collapsing from it’s debt right in front of us. So yes maybe being the political movement of restraint and personal responsibility will get us hated. In the end though, history will vindicate us as being the only people who apparently don’t suck at maths and can tell that the government is on an unsustainable path.
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Woody4USA
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 3:44pmWell obviously from that picture you can see for yourself that he plainly hates women so you can just forget that idea.
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Hickory
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 3:44pmThe one they were scared to death of was Newt. He would have called them out on every one of their crooked and dirty deeds.
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maverick4harlot
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 4:30pmAgreed. Everyone in the ENTIRE government establishment is afraid of Newt. Thats why they threw the book at him with all of those supposed ethics violations. NOT ONE of which stuck. Sure Congress said in the end that he was guilty of tax evasion however after a year of investigation by the IRS it was found that Newt did NOTHING wrong. Everyone is scared of Newt. I hope he will run again but I doubt it. If he runs in 2016 I will be a volunteer for his campaign.
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SimpleTruths
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 11:15pmNewt? Really? As long as you believe that then I’m not worried about ever losing to your side again. Keep up the good work!
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Mutiny
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 3:40pmLOL, what a joke. Yes, another progressive would have done well. BS!!!!! Only one candidate on the GOP side this time had a chance. It was Ron Paul. He would have gotten the ABO vote, he would have captured the youth vote, he would have gotten the anti war vote, he would have gotten the libertarian vote.
Ron Paul was the only one talking about anything different. The rest all said the same things. The GOP talking points dont hold up to the Democrat attacks. The progressive and liberal talking points dont stand up to the libertarian view points.
With Ron Paul, during the debates Obama would have had to answer questions about:
1. Benghazi
2. Obamacare/Romneycare huge tax increase.
3. The NDAA, indefinite detention clause.
4. Trillion dollar deficits.
5. The UN.
6. The FED.
7. Abortion.
8. Amnesty.
9. States rights.
10. Our overseas militarism.
11. Our foreign aid disasters.
People would have been given a choice on issues about the direction of the country. Romney offered more of the same polices on spending, war, and freedoms. Hell the third debate all they did was agree with each other. They were two sides of the same coin.
Its time to wake up. Go towards liberal and progressive views will only end with Democrats winning. We need to move towards the Constitution. Yes, it will be hard, but in the end when the socialist plan fails, and it will. There will atleast be a group that warned against it, instead of the other party ag
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LonDog
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 4:11pmDidn’t Ron Paul die already? Please, you guys need a freaking life. He would have gotten 10 million votes. Max!!!
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Mutiny
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 4:28pmLOL, so you would have voted for Obama instead?
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Mattvega
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 6:31pmObviously it wasn’t Romney. Ron Paul would have won easily, if the media could be fair to Ron; they have a hard time recognizing his existence, much less the intelligent and relevant issues Ron Paul would have brought to the debates.
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Farmhand82
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 7:06pmHahaha right. Ron Paul would have survived a couple billion dollars worth of attack adds pointing out that he was going to take away everyone’s medicare, social security and cell phones. Ron Paul would have been labeled a weirdo and an extremist and would have been destroyed in a general election. As it is the left LOVES libertarians. People like Mutiny spent all their time and effort during the election taking down Republican enthusiasm and encouraging conservatives to waste their vote on third parties. That would all change the second libertarians become a political force actually strong enough to challenge the left nationally. The Democrats would turn three fourths the country against you guys through tearing apart and exaggerating everything they could about Ron Pauls stances.
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maverick4harlot
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 7:52pmI couldnt possibly vote for Ron Paul in the Primaries after he stated that we should let Iran have the bomb, however if it had been Paul or Obama, anyone but Obama.
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Mutiny
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 7:58pm@farm
Ron Paul’s team was very good at ads. He didnt hold back on his attacks and would have fought right back. The ABO crowd would have still voted for anybody but Obama but you would have been able to pick up the very pumped up youth crowd, the anti war people, and all the libertarians that stayed home.
Google Ron Paul crowds.
Either way, its time to wake up. The election is over, Romney got crushed. Its time to move towards the Constitution and the points Ron Paul brought up. Moving towards the liberals and progressives is a huge mistake.
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Naps
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 8:33pmAnd you LONDOG,need to get your head out of Glenn’s culo. You Beckistani’s are so clueless its scary. Ron Paul would of dominated the debates and won by a landslide in the election. Keep livin iin that bubble GOP,keep livin in that bubble. Ron Paul is and will always be my President.
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Farmhand82
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 1:21amI would vote for Paul if he were on the ticket sure. I find myself at odds with Paul and especially his supporters over this election. The thing is I actually agree with most of what Libertarians believe in. I don’t even have the standard “talk show conservative” objection to a Paul foreign policy. I’m certainly tired of playing policeman for an ungrateful world that doesn’t want it. As such I’d say I’m somewhere in the middle between the talk show crowd and libertarians on foreign policy. Unfortunately I think libertarians made perfection the enemy of the good. You guys believe that Romney was just as bad as Obama, which is something you’ll never convince me of. Agree to disagree I guess. I simply do not think the country is ready for a Ron Paul style president. Hell the left successfully demagogued Romney as a crazy right winger who was going to cut off all the welfare. I could only imagine what they would have done to Paul had he been the nominee. We need to win the culture and change how people view the role of government before we can expect to win elections. Unfortunately I think only going through the same economical collapse much of Europe is going through may be enough to wake people up, and even then I’m not sure. Hardship more often than not tends to make people flee to government strongman, not away.
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WakingSheep
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 11:21amRight on!
The debates were a joke.
They didn’t have to talk about any of the real issues. Only who could manage who’s programs best.
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Balthazor
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 2:46pmBesides Scientologists, Ron Paul supporters have to be the single most delusional group of people in the country. I’d bet good money that the number of states Paul would’ve carried could be counted on one hand. Even if that one hand was connected to a guy who lost three fingers in an industrial accident.
Although, it would’ve been fun to see the battle of the Obamatons vs. the Paulbots. It would be like zombies fighting mummies, only with gallons of Kool-Aid flying everywhere.
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cdn1979
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 3:39pmhe definitely would have appealed to independents. who else would the tea party vote for, obama? I don”t think so. the tea party has no where to go. they won’t vote democrat no matter what so the establishment is free to nominate whoever they want because the tea party won’t go anywhere. and the tea party is no where near strong enough to have a say in the selection process. Should have gone with huntsman. Would have had the tea party right, and the independent middle.
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Lord_Frostwind
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 3:53pmThe Tea Party didn’t show up for Romney. The usual arithmetic of “this person has nowhere to go so they are going to vote GOP,” could very well have just died in this election. If conservatives are willing to take another 4 years of Obama over voting for what they perceive to be a weak candidate, then the usual game has just become an entirely new beast.
Disregard the base at your own risk.
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Lt_Scrounge
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 8:21pmThere were a few who flat out said that they would not vote for anyone but Ron Paul. They seem to think that sending the economy into a death spiral is okay if it opens the door for a Rand Paul candidacy IF there is a 2016 election.
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Jetstream001
Posted on November 22, 2012 at 4:59amOn almost every major issue, the only candidate that offered a clear alternative was Ron Paul. The fix was in on this election before it even began. When the GOP nominated Romney, I was saying that the elite wanted Obama back in. As it turns out, I was right, though it is one of the few times I was not very happy about being right. :-)
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southernORcobra
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 3:35pmOf course they would have said that crappy rino would have won. Hell even Ron Paul would have had a better shot at getting the nom then Huntsman.
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loriann12
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 3:41pmI would have thought they’d be more afraid of Herman Cain…their base shouldn’t have two black men to choose from, they might get confused.
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VRW Conspirator
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 3:50pmmy thoughts exactly….Cain took the blacks voting for a black off the table…might have actually gotten all the black moderates and conservatives to MAN UP and finally vote their values instead of their color….
Cain also had business experience and could have been schooled by people like Ryan and Rand Paul on economic issues and entitlement reform….
If he had picked a strong foreign policy guy as his running mate…no NEWT though….he might have had a good shot…
Just think…if the MSM came after him for being this or that position….surrogates could have turned the tables and said the mainly WHITE MSM were just a bunch of rich white racists and bigots…. that would have been great…they would have not known what to do with themselves….getting their trash tactics thrown back in their faces…..
might not have won with Cain either…but would have been fun to slap the MSM around for 6 months about hating a black man just because he wasn’t on the plantation of the DNC….
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elosogrande
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 3:32pmI doubt this one. During the primaries, it seemed that Huntsman couldn’t find his own ass if he had his hands in his hip pockets.
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Nevermind
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 3:32pmI hvae been saying this since the primary but he was actually sane and didnt appeal to the TEA party. Plu sObama was smart and sent him off to China , once he came back he was labeled as a communist and a RINO. I wouldve voted for Huntsmen over Obama, just being honest.
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Wyoming
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 3:31pmRiiight!!! The ONLY one more liberal than Romney. Sure….
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progressiveslayer
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 3:29pmAnd the progressive speaks fluent Chinese as well.
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DadRocked
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 3:45pmBut over the past spring and summer, didn’t we hear about three or four different people that they were concerned about.
One week, it was this one. The next week, it was another.
Bottom line… It doesn’t matter now.
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BODYBAG
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 10:01amPROGRESSIVESLAYER
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 3:29pm
And the progressive speaks fluent Chinese as well.
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You can tell how “worried” they were about Huntsman from the fact that they never spoke a word
about him. Even a monkey can figure out the people this regime most fear are the ones they viciously attack.
You can guage the fear of The Left by how hard they go after someone.
Huntsman wasnt even on the radar because he’s a walking, talking pre-programmed plastic figurine.
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Landon410
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 3:28pmholy daughters
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VRW Conspirator
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 3:51pmWOWZER is right Batman….talk about a STACKED deck…..
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LoveBringsTruth
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 3:26pmBS. This guy bleeds commi red.
Ron Paul would have had the chance because liberals and conservatives loved him. Anti first strike war and constitutionalist.
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THX-1138
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 4:28pmSorry, Ron Paul would have gotten 20% of the vote at best. Come on, in a contest between a full on Communist and a Socialist-Lite the Communist won. How the &#$^% would a Libertarian win with voters that stupid?
You Paulbots are in some sort of weird parallel universe or something.
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Conservealiberty
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 5:19amLol, ya we can really respect the numbers u romney support throw out there. You know like all the landslide talk, LOL. Oh man, get over your denile guys, you will never have any idea and sadly either will us paul supporters know how well dr.paul would have done in the election because the republican party decided to destroy all their integrity and credibility throwing dr. paul and all his supporters under the bus like we were less than obama voters, so guess what.. we can sit in the filth 4 more years, isnt this fun?
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bobad
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 9:18amIf your Ron Paul is so great, why didn’t he unconditionally endorse Mitt Romney? I’ll tell you why: Because his ego is more important to him than the people of this country. Or maybe he is just nuts, or both.
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WakingSheep
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 11:31am@bobad
Romney and Obama are no different than one another. BIG CENTRAL PLANNERS.
I never will vote for a candidate that is ok with detaining U.S. citizens even if their name has an R in front of it.
Principal is way more important than party.
Your candidate had no principal and apparently didn’t even have the whole party.
Landslide?
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neverending
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 3:22pmOh yeah – big whoop!
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may40
Posted on November 20, 2012 at 3:36pmI enjoy how the liberals think. Yes, choose a progressive “R” and they’ll have a chance of beating our holy one. Here’s the truth….we want a conservative NOT a liberal if we wanted one we’d have voted for Obama. Our country is sick and the MSM is literally the carrier of the disease!
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