Here’s the New Electric Car Chrysler Expects to Lose Money on (And Here’s Why They’re Making it)
The Fiat 500e (Courtesy PR Newswire)
Chrysler will soon introduce the world to its very first battery-powered vehicle, the Fiat 500e.
However, far more interesting than the fact that itβs their first battery-powered car is the fact that Chrysler expects to lose between $8,000 and $9,000 for each one it sells, according to the Wall Street Journal.
Why would they produce a car thatβs sure to lose money? One word: California.
Let us explain.
California has one of the largest car markets in the country (it accounts for nearly 10 percent of all U.S. auto sales). California also has a strict zero-emission requirement.
So unless Chrysler offers a model that meets these increasingly stringent emissions standards, California could bar them from selling cars in the state.
Pretty great, right?
But wait! There’s more! Ten other states, including New York, New Jersey, and Maryland, have followed Californiaβs lead and have enacted similar zero-emission requirements. And much like California, Chrysler could be barred from selling cars in these states unless it offers a vehicle that meets these standards.
Problem is, nobody seems to want zero-emission vehicles.
California “can make us sell a minimum amount of cars, but unfortunately, they can’t make people buy them, or even get our own dealers to order them from us,” Kevin Kinnaw, Toyota’s U.S. manager of regulatory affairs, told the Wall Street Journal.
The Fiat 500e’s interior was apparently inspired by Speed Racer (Courtesy PR Newswire)
In short, in order to stay compliant with these various carbon emission laws, automakers must design and produce cars that no one will buy.
βSo far this year, only about 26,000 electric vehicles have been sold in the entire U.S., a tiny fraction of the 11.9 million cars and light trucks Americans have purchased,β the Journal report notes.
βAbout one in four electric vehicles sold are in California,β the report adds.
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Front Page photo source courtesy PR Newswire. This story has been updated.
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grayling646
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 5:21pmWhat happens when the gubmint gets too involved with private sector policy? Crap like this.
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Gold Coin & Economic News
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 6:27pmThey’re just following the government example, everything you do, just lose money on it. It’s the new standard, let’s party! It’s all going to end one day:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dacznag_4d0
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turkey13
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 10:45pmFiat will only lose 8 to $9,000 per car – this is super since the article I read in Autoweek stated GM was loseing $40,000 per car. I wonder if Fiat will have an app for your phone telling you when it catches on fire.
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Proverbs17-12NLT
Posted on November 22, 2012 at 12:37amDoes that golf cart take Duracell’s or energizers?
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WATER-THE-TREE
Posted on November 22, 2012 at 1:18amDon’t kowtow to these idiot states, let them have NO cars, let them ride bikes.
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Jesse_J
Posted on November 22, 2012 at 6:16amThis is the only way they can get people to buy cars that they don’t want, force. Read fresh political commentary at: http://smallcraftadvisorychronicles.blogspot.com/
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WarMunger_Al
Posted on November 22, 2012 at 8:45amThe fiat 500 as an electric car makes 1000 times more sense than the stupid chevy volt. AS long as they don’t try to sell it for $30-50,000 dollars.
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G-WHIZ
Posted on November 22, 2012 at 10:29amLooka much prittier than the Chebbyvolt! Dontforget…WETHEPEOPLE LOOSE $50,000.00 EACH PER VOLT AND THEY COST $40,000PLUSS EACH!! I wonder how much GUBBIMENTMOTERS DIVISION IS PAYING OUR TAXDOLLARS TO PRODUCE EACH FIAT”VOLT”?!
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John 1776
Posted on November 22, 2012 at 10:33amAnd we’re all suppose to forget that we still have to buy electricity just like we buy gas now? We know where electric rates are going.
Why is it that people think the energy is free if you buy an electric car?
Oh, that’s right, they are the same people that voted for “hope and change.”
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DoGooder
Posted on November 22, 2012 at 10:35amCan you get a mower deck with it? I could cut my lawn! What a POS
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Shifty6
Posted on November 23, 2012 at 10:04amThe price of all the cars we actually want just went up. ” You can buy a gasoline powered car, if you want, but it will bankrupt you” – Obama.
Chrysler is either going to make LESS of a profit, which they give to other people in the form of salaries, benefits, or dividends – OR – they are going to make the same amount of money by charging more for other things – OR – they are going to reduce expense so they make the same profit. Items that could be considered expenses are as follows: salaries for the lowest seniority, health benefits, vacation time for the lower seniority people, total number of lower seniority personnel, holiday pay for lower seniority people, etc etc etc. They can’t be this stupid? Can they? what is the common theme, lower seniority gets to pay more and make less. Let’s call it the “lose money on something no one wants” tax.
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decendentof56
Posted on March 25, 2013 at 7:16pm@WaterTheTree” Donβt kowtow to these idiot states, let them have NO cars, let them ride bikes.”
“THAT” is what “THEY” want.
“THEY” are the environmental zealots who have ruined California’s economy and caused 1,000′s of businesses to leave the state. They do not care about the economy…Period! Environmentalism is God to these nut-jobs.
Almost all of the California desert has been closed to off-road vehicles. This has systematically been accomplished over the last 40-50 years by abusing the endangered species act. The closure causes 1000′s of jobs to be lost in the off-road industry.
Now we see the insanity of car makers attempting to appease the left-wing radicals again by “LOSING MONEY” on the manufacture of automobiles.
Somewhere, some place, some company has to call their bluff and refuse to bend to the idiocy of the left. Eventually, the radical left will have to answer when no one has a job.
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OperationNorthwoods
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 5:20pmWe used to laugh when we would read reports of the Soviet Union doing things like this. Who’s laughing now?
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RepubliCorp
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 5:47pmgood point
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65Mustang
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 5:48pmIt’s frightening and we all know what is coming.
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BlackCrow
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 9:23pmWe ARE the old Soviet Union.
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Canyouhearus
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 10:19pmWhen will ATLAS SHRUG? It’s about time. Where is John Galt?
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jimbo_from_suwanee
Posted on November 22, 2012 at 1:26amInteresting. Reminds of of something: Hmmmmmmm…..Oh, yeah….2+2=5 2+2=5 2+2=5 2+2=5 2+2=5 2+2=5 2+2=5 2+2=5 2+2=5 2+2=5 2+2=5 2+2=5 2+2=5 2+2=5 2+2=5 2+2=5 2+2=5 2+2=5 2+2=5 2+2=5 2+2=5 2+2=5 2+2=5 2+2=5 2+2=5 2+2=5
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breiten
Posted on November 22, 2012 at 7:27am@ Jimbo , you for got inflation 2+2=7, 2+2=7, oh add interest 2+2 = 9, 2+2 = 9, entitlements 2+2=11. Oh, Owamo getting taxing more money from us working people 2+2= -3, now are moving forward, see it all works out.
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Oilfield_Trash
Posted on November 22, 2012 at 11:06amObama’s Chrysler & GM = Hitler’s Volkswagon. I used to be “Die Hard” Chevrolet, no more. I have an ’08 in my drive way at the moment, it’s going this weekend, the only “domestic” brand I’ll ever purchase again will be FORD. And then only if it get less than 18 MPG.
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DeeCee
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 5:12pmHeh… the article explains how much they stand to lose per car, but does not mention anything at all about a proposed retail price to the customer. I wonder what that might be?
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decendentof56
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 5:34pmWhen I worked at a motorcycle dealer, the dealer mark-up was 18%., and the manufacturer made money, too.
Just price it at 30% above actual cost. If every manufacturer did that, you ‘may’ see some of those ridiculous regulations go away. California has had the most-strict regs as long as I can remember.
I have old cars (93 Olds and ’00 Venture van) and keep the maintenance up. Laugh at me if you want! I don’t care.
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Perspective
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 5:51pmMost likely on the order of $30k to $50k and probably the middle to low end of that scale.
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decendentof56
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 6:15pmYou may be right, Perspective.
Just charge’em what it costs to make it, then mark it up normal. If the dumbasses want to pay it, fine.
This craziness is just another reason to NOT buy a Chrysler. What business man would make ANYTHING they know they will lose money on. Maybe Obama will take our tax money to further subsidize Chrysler. There HAS to be a reason Chrysler would do this, and its not to be nice to those wacko’s in Ca.
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Cavallo
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 5:12pmPay to play.. Fascist models of economic control. Tells you what to produce, when to produce, how much to produce, who to hire, when to hire, when to fire, etc etc.. but you still “own” the business, because they really believe in private ownership.
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paulhawk
Posted on November 22, 2012 at 8:42amWell of course they can tell you what you must and can’t do…after all, you didn’t start that business
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righthanddrive
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 5:12pmSo who wants to pay say 3-5000 more for a 300 or a wrangler? Or even worse maybe all our taxes will go up to keep the UAW members working.
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dodgedart1966
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 5:11pmYou can expect alot more of this when the new 50 MPG Cafe standards kick in.
Goodbye affordable american cars.
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Zipit
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 5:54pmWhen Armageddon befalls us, the only thing left will be cockroaches driving Dodge Darts!
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DavidintheD
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 5:56pmThey have not been affordable for years,hence the lease option.
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dodgedart1966
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 5:09pmI have 2 ’66 dodges, a Dart and a Polara. Both gas guzzlers(by today’s standards) and I love cruising next to a prius and revving the motor, just to piss the driver off (especially in the Polara, 18ft long, 383 c.i motor).
PS. I’ve always been a Chrysler guy, I’ll always love the old ones, even thought of buying a new Challenger, until the gov’t took over. Now I’m a Ford man all day for new vehicles.
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Oilfield_Trash
Posted on November 22, 2012 at 11:33amAmen Brother, Love the old classics. But my last truck was a 2011 Ford with the 6.2L, 13 MPG. (I think it ate a Prius last week!! LOL) My wife has an ’08 GM SUV that will be traded this week on a European Gas guzzler. Just doin my part!!
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Sgt_Rock
Posted on November 23, 2012 at 8:50pmI have 2 – Mustangs (88 / 05), a 2011 F150 Super Crew – Just went to the Ford dealer today to talk about ordering a new Explorer Sport with the EcoBoost V6 (AWD w/ 365 bhp). I was looking at a BMW X5 or an Audi Q7, but I drove the Explorer Sport last week and can’t get over the performance. Pretty amazing and $20,00 less than the comparable BMW or Audi. Ford is the only US automaker I’ll even consider.
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RepublikansSuckAss
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 8:17pmWhat a selfish *******. It’s people like you that we have to send troops to the middle east and fight for cheap oil. It’s ******* like you that the arabs love. Bend over jerk…an arab just pluged you and thanked you for buying more of their oil… No wonder the world hates us…
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Rover_Bump
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 5:09pmIt looks like a kid’s toy, inside and outside. I’m not so environmentally conscious that I want to drive around in a clown car.
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Rational Man
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 5:29pmPut black dots on it and you have a giant Lady Bug that can’t fly and is just as fragile.
No Thanks!
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ChuckJ
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 5:01pmDEMOnomics.
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honor007
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 4:54pmonly thing that comes to mind when I look at this car is the Pinto.
who would buy this piece of junk?
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laserblast92
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 5:49pmI would rather have the Pinto…..
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Alaskaninfidel
Posted on November 22, 2012 at 9:51pmMy Pinto Wagon went 185000 before gettin’ creamed and got 35 on the highway. Id love to have another.
Just sayin…i’d take a Pinto in to a demolition derby up against most cars today…cars…and especially this toy car.
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OUT THE REGRESSIVES
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 4:46pmAll the Californicators that voted for BHusseinO should be forced to buy one.
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TelepromoterNChief
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 5:11pmNo.
That would be too easy.
Let them do their part to show their support for the A Hole in Chief.
They can walk or ride the bus while eating their peas.
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Chromo200
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 5:42pmForced .. They will be given one .. Obama will come up with crazy deal.. Like buy a new car at half price from Chrysler through “Cash for Clunkers” and you get an electric car for free. And not to discriminate against GM the same deal since GM has the Volt.
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Tri-ox
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 4:41pmAs we used to say, FIAT is an acronym for βFix it again, Tony”. FIAT has a long history of building slipshod, unreliable vehicles. Why would anyone waste their money and risk their life on a Chrysler-FIAT, especially an all-electric Chrysler-FIAT? Crazy.
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grayling646
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 5:14pmFord – fix or repair daily
Dodge – To avoid
Chevy – piece of **** (not even worth a catchy phrase)
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Capt_Gregg
Posted on November 22, 2012 at 9:51amThe motorized tin cans that Fiat exported to the US in the past deserved the “Fix It Again, Tony” reputation, but they produced some excellent products for the European market. From the reports I’ve seen, the Fiat 500 is a reliable urban vehicle, but, because of Fiat’s past performance in the US market, I’d have qualms about taking it on a cross-country trip. The 500e appears to be to the 500 what the Volt is to the Cruz — an over-priced, under-performing and life-threatening piece of PC crap.
It’s a sad time for the industry when the government forces it to produce Edsels.
To the best of my knowledge, the first and only successful civilian automobile specifically designed to meet government guidelines was the VW beetle.
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Coolbreeze56
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 4:39pmCalifornia. The cess pool of America. One-in-four lives in poverty, illegals everywhere, and now this. What a sweet, sweet spot you people are in.
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just the facts
Posted on November 22, 2012 at 9:01amAnd what’s really sad – they’re doing absolutely nothing about it. And whatever they do just digs them deeper into the hole. Maybe they should try something conservative. But hey, they’re californians – their motto – ‘You do your thing and I’ll do my thing and if I bother you I’m still going to do my thing.’ Some people just don’t get it.
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CompanyTown
Posted on November 22, 2012 at 12:13pmI’m sitting here on my patio overlooking the Pacific ocean on a beautiful Thanksgiving day. We’ll warm up to about 80 degrees today. There’s a couple of 20-something girls down on the beach in bikinis watching the surfers. Yeah, the politics are screwy and the state will probably go bankrupt, but man, this is an awesome place to live :)
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Joss
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 4:37pmI have this car’s evil twin. The Fiat Abarth. Twin intercoolers. Mighty turbo. Exhaust that creates an excellent soundtrack when I am breaking traffic laws. Take that California.
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Contessa
Posted on November 23, 2012 at 5:12pmI have the Sport and it is perfect for getting around town. I even took it up in the mountains twice this summer without issue. Gas mileage is amazing and no mechanical problems at all. A lot of people don’t realize these were originally made in Turin and designed to handle the foothills and narrow roads of the Alps.
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The-Monk
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 4:36pmSounds familiar. I know what to call it……
Just take the “e” out of Obamacare.
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 4:48pmHi MONK, LOL, good call on that one. That name could lead to similar product names like the iPhone, iPad and so forth. The 0bamaphone, the 0bamapad (hand sized chalk slate), the Obamagenerator, we could recycle those Angry9 hand cranked radio generators from WWII for the home, etc, etc…..
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The-Monk
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 4:54pmHi RJJ,
For the phone……replace the “re” with “ll”…. Obamacall.
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Tractorboy
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 5:08pmMonk, I like your play on the word…..I did notice how Obama’s GM has the Voltswagen, just like Hitler made his peoples car the Volkswagen, though it does seem Hitler did a better job selling his.
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 5:11pmHi MONK, you’re right. I do like that better.
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Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 5:33pmI would say, save the money, tell the States with zero emissions to GTH and just sell the cars we want to people that want them. Isn’t that pretty much what they are doing now, except for wasting money on a car.
I like the Challenger, the twin to the ‘Cuda back in the day, and the Jeeps.
When Fiat gets more control over Chrysler, I hope they don’t phase out the better cars and just build little crap.
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The-Monk
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 5:58pmHi Tractorboy,
Actually, Hitler “sold” the Volts (peoples) Wagon (car) a bit different than most people know. The workers in the Voltswagon factory were to receive a car for payment of services (working). No one knew which car they were to receive so every worker did their best to build the best car not knowing if they would be paid with the car that they were building.
Just a small fact I thought some people might enjoy.
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Tractorboy
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 6:32pmHey Monk,
The Germans always made high quality goods, from their tanks and planes, to firearms, and the Shamwow, the fit and finish were always top notch, maybe a little too high quality for war goods.
God Bless, you and yours have a nice thankgiving
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The-Monk
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 7:47pmHi Tractorboy,
Thanks. Sorry so long getting back for a reply.
As my old P51 fighter pilot/teacher used to say, “If I don’t have a good day it will be my own damn fault”. LOL
Blessings to you and your family. : )
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Tractorboy
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 8:22pmYou got to fly a P51 I’m jealous, very cool, I only got to take the stick in a Cessna 172 for a bit, the pilot kept telling me to keep the nose up, and watch my altitude, because I kept drifting into a slow dive. LOL
God Bless
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The-Monk
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 8:34pm@Tractorboy,
The last plane I flew was a 1942 Stearman.
Very cool to be in a bi-plane.
If you want to see the P51′s I’m use to go here:
http://www.stallion51.com/
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Crazy-Horse
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 8:59pmTractorboy
The Monk is my student. While he is not my best student he is among the top 10. I happened to see his post to you and decided to reply. He has issues with doing a Lomcevak but he has mastered a roll out over the top. I wish he would come back and stop flying that damn Stearman but it is more expensive for the P51TF lessons.I hear he is unemployed and that might be the issue.
As my old teacher, Cocky Dundash use to say…. “Maintain thy airspeed least the ground arise and smite thee. So says Silas; The Sagacious Sage from Saskatoon, Saskatchewan.”
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Tractorboy
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 9:05pmThe Bi-plane has a very distinct sound, they have a air show up here in central NY, I can always tell when that thing is flying by……can also tell when the pair of C-130s from the Niagara falls air force base are on maneuvers, and they are 300ft of the deck. they go right over our house, it gets your attention to say the least, bet those guy’s are having a ball.
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Tractorboy
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 9:32pmCrazyHorse, very cool, I bet the Monk uses a lot of his fly time to buzz the homes of the trolls……Bi-plane probably the best machine for the job…….
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The-Monk
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 9:36pmHi Tractorboy,
Here’s a link to the 1942 Stearman PT-17 I fly…..
http://www.waldowrights.com/stearman/
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Tractorboy
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 9:48pmMonk, Thanks for the link, will have to put that on the bucket list, something I always wanted to try.
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WATER-THE-TREE
Posted on November 22, 2012 at 1:49amYou guys with the airplane talk, GET YOUR OWN CHAT ROOM JERKS , YOU DO THIS **** ALL THE TIME !
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RepublikansSuckAss
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 8:25pmYeah, lets all tell the states with OEL to go to hell. I take it most of you morons never been to LA in the 70′s and 80′s and remember all the smog and that you couldn’t even see the mountains 10 miles from I-10. Yeah, lets tell California to go to hell….we want all that smog back.. We want to live in the past like most republicans.. What a novel idea.. Only a moron republican would come up with that crap. No wonder you lost again. Seems like more and more smartt people are switching to the left to get away from you dinasours…
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hauschild
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 4:32pmAnybody that continues to support Chrysler or GM – knowing full well what they represent – is un-”Traditional”-American.
It still floors me to see all these good old boys who talk big conservative value talk, only to see them ponying-up their hard-earned for fascist-inspired cars. Pathetic.
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snooop1e
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 5:11pmI was recently going to by a Chrysler minivan but somehow I felt like buying GM which is owned by the Government was less patriotic than buying a Honda which is privately owned. To me, Honda represents true American values more than GM. Never would have thought I would feel that way. Sad if you think about it……
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decendentof56
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 6:08pmKeep your old cars/trucks and take care of the maintenance. Cheaper than a new one.
I have a 1993 Olds ’98 (17 + mpg around town) and a 2001 Chevy Venture. They are in top-notch shape and I’ll keep them both. People say I look like an old man in the Olds. I say…..what are you talking about? At 65, I look old in the Venture!
No one can tell my age on my motorcycles. haha!
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RepublikansSuckAss
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 8:30pmGM is not owned by the Govt. By saying that you’re only making yourself look like a fool. You sound like you watch Faux News and/or Beck…
Does the bank own your home or do you….if you have a mortage? GM received a loan which is been paid back 98% with interest. Do some research.
Does it not concern you that over half a million jobs were saved or did Beck tell you otherwise? You know, it’s OK to think for yourself…. You might be surprised at your inteligence(sp) level..
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Hickory
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 4:30pmI wonder how many garages this one will burn down?
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MN NICE
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 4:28pmCan you imagine being involved in an accident in one of those POS?
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 4:35pmReally, it looks to me like a Citroen 2CV would stand a better chance.
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Seth Patriot
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 4:27pmSimple: Don’t forget to attach the windmill to the hood before you go on a trip.
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ArmedAndReallyPissed
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 4:26pmBy the time the United Nations gets through with US, we’ll all be walking. We won’t NEED cars because we’ll all live in the City elbow to elbow so animals can cover the land again. Agenda 21.Enjoy your freedom today. Tomorrow you might not have it.
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Cavallo
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 4:55pmWhat freedom today?
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chips1
Posted on November 22, 2012 at 11:53pmARMED:
You just described the Ghetto. I don’t want any part of it. Right now I live where None of the neighbors can see each others homes. Everyone helps each other and stopping to talk is an everyday thing. Can’t get any better than this.
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Thornyrose13
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 4:26pmWonder how much it will take to bail them out this time, after this wonderful economic debacle.
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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 4:25pmAgenda 21 – get rid of automobiles.
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thegreatcarnac
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 4:23pmI have known a few fiat owners in my lifetime. Some hated them and others loved them. I have never taken a chance on one. I am a Toyota man myself.
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Cavallo
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 4:56pmYup, Toyota has never let me down yet. I’ll never buy nor support the purchase of a Government Motors vehicle.
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booger71
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 5:00pmI have only bought Toyota since 1986
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grayling646
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 6:36pmI’m a leg man myself.
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progressiveslayer
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 4:21pmThis is central planning at it’s worst,if the government would get off the backs of automakers and let them sell the cars that people want to buy we wouldn’t have an issue. The EPA with it’s idiotic rules for special fuels for certain times of the year is another problem causing fuel prices to be higher than they should be. Just sell unleaded fuel and be done with it.
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SimpleTruths
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 4:18pmLove it! Ordering one today.
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progressiveslayer
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 4:23pmLove it one less OBAMAZOMBIE up in flames like the volt.
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 4:32pmHey SIMP, its nothing more than a Fiat Bambino just like those I first saw in Europe starting in early ’81. That tells me it is really advanced, LOL. Trouble is, it is not sturdy enough to transport the 2,000 kilogram battery to run it for any length of time. Little wonder that Chrysler knows that they will lose money with it.
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My Two Cents
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 4:39pmIf they come in a left and a right you can order one for each foot!
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FISH_BONE
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 4:42pmSIMPLEMINDED: First you’ll need to ask your mommy to raise your allowance.
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booger71
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 5:02pmBe sure to thank us, the tax payers who are subsidizing your choice of cars
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rickc34
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 5:09pmLooks like a car Elmo would drive ……
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Tractorboy
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 5:27pmI’ll bet that pc of crap wouldn’t make it to the end of my driveway on a 20deg winter day.
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SimpleTruths
Posted on November 21, 2012 at 7:17pmThis is SO easy.
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Vast_Right_Wing_Meltdown
Posted on November 22, 2012 at 4:43amPROGRESSIVESH*THEAD: There were 3 volt fires only and the issue was corrected. My friends that have them have literally bought 1 tank of gas in the past year. ONE! How much have you spent on gasoline in the past year? Who is the sucker now?
And maybe you missed the Tesla getting car of the year? 0-60 in 4 seconds! That is faster than anything anyone here drives.
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progressiveslayer
Posted on November 22, 2012 at 9:29amVASTRIGHTWING POLE PUFFER
There were a hell of a lot more than three volt fires there Einstein,ask your friends how much coal per mile they burn in their ‘green’ cars. If this anti business oppressive government would allow oil companies to exploit all our natural resources we wouldn’t have to waste billions of taxpayer dollars on so called ‘green’ cars.
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