It’s no secret that many on the left (and even some on the right) really, truly dislike Walmart and its business practices. Indeed, just yesterday the union-backed OUR Walmart tried to disrupt the big box retailer’s Black Friday sales by staging a nationwide protest. Luckily for Walmart, the protest did little damage and the much-touted employee walkout never materialized.
But let’s talk about the long-standing and persistent hatred against the company. Let’s face it, ever since Walmart became an economic powerhouse, they’ve been attacked, maligned, smeared, and, in some cases, blocked by certain communities from even opening stores.
We all know the arguments against the retailer: Walmart puts mom-and-pop stores out of work; Walmart doesn’t pay its employees enough; Walmart doesn’t offer the healthcare benefits its employees deserve; Walmart operates on “greed.”
But there has to be another side to this argument. Is there anything to be said that might explain the retailer’s massive and continued success? Perhaps.
Peter Suderman, senior editor for Reason.com, on Saturday used Twitter to lay out his observations on the big box giant. Luckily for us, a tweet from The Heritage Foundation’s excellent Lachlan Markay notified us as to what was happening on Suderman’s timeline and we were able to follow along.
Below are Suderman’s thoughts on Walmart, its employee pay, and what would happen if unions get their way [author's note: We've put Suderman's tweets into list format because it’s much easier to read that way]:
Really enjoyed talking Walmart and Black Friday on @upwithchris [MSNBC’s Chris Hayes] this morning. I’m going to add a few stray observations on twitter.
1. Walmart’s customer base is heavily concentrated in the bottom income quintile, which spends heavily on food.
2.The bottom income quintile spends about 25 percent of income on food compared to just 3.5 percent for the top quintile.
3. So the benefits of Walmart’s substantially lower prices to the lowest earning cohort are huge, especially on food.
4. Obama adviser Jason Furman has estimated the welfare boost of Walmart’s low food prices alone is about $50b a year.
5. Walmart’s wages are about average for retail. Not amazing. But not the worst either.
6. Paying Walmart’s workers more would mean the money has to come from somewhere. But where?
7. Erase the Walmart CEO’s entire salary, and you can raise average hourly wages by just a penny or so.
8. Erase the entire Walton family fortune and you get an average $1/hour boost to Walmart workers.
9. Raise prices to pay for increased wages and you cut into the store’s huge low-price benefits for the poor. It’s regressive.
10. But what about Costco? They pay more, right? Yes, but it’s a different, smaller market.
11. Walmart’s average customer earns roughly $35k. Costco’s average customer earns about $75k.
12. Costco only has about half as many employees as Walmart. What would happen if Walmart adopted a Costco model and shrank to Costco size?
13. Not at all clear that the remaining half of Walmart workers would be better off. Many would almost certainly be worse off. Unemployed.
14. Obama econ adviser Jason Furman did a lot of the work on Walmart’s progressive benefits. His case: slate.me/R3bkc2
15. Finally, as someone who’s actually been a regular, small-town Walmart shopper, I’d like to argue for its community benefits.
16. Yes, some small stores close when Walmart opens. But in small towns, Walmart can become real community hubs – more so, because of size.
17. As for Walmart workers getting health benefits thru Medicaid, that’s due in part to a policy liberals argued for: wapo.st/axXXNE
We’re not sure which is more impressive: The all-encompassing nature of Suderman’s observations or the fact that he was able to do it in 140-character bursts.
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CHROME_PLATED_HEART
Nov. 25, 2012 at 12:29amI like Richie-poo Trumka’s talking points better. And shutting his trap the same way.
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Scooby_Do
Nov. 25, 2012 at 6:46amThe unions have to force people to join, how American is that? Read fresh political commentary at: http://smallcraftadvisorychronicles.blogspot.com/
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lillymckim
Nov. 25, 2012 at 9:43amRobert Reich a man who’s own net worth is over 4 million wants US to BOYCOTT a USA company Walmart who employs US people and then out of the other side of his mouth asks for a $100 dollars for a “digital download” of HIS film “Inequality For All”?
But of course I’m sure he’s donating all to a good cause!
(CALLED HIS POCKET)
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gena t
Nov. 25, 2012 at 12:46pmSince in most small communities the mom and pop stores are not only out of the price range of the majority of low income people, they also often are unable to finance purchases of their higher priced items. So were it not for WalMart, many in the smaller, poor communities would not have nearly as nice a life style as they are able to have due to Walmart. And in many of those small communities, WalMart is one of the largest, if not the largest employer in the area. And while the pay might not be the highest, it sure beats nothing. I have recently lived in several small communities where you either buy at WalMart or buy over the internet because there are no other viable options in my price range.
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prov1
Nov. 25, 2012 at 3:49pmI will say this on behalf of Walmart. We provide retails for the people that need lower prices. We work in our communities, donating 500 hrs. of free help and Walmart cuts a check for $5000. 5 to 10 times a year. We give jobs to those who want to get out of the welfare system, providing them a career if they want. Walmart helps every local community with employment, donations and a place to shop for those in need. We are not Nordstroms and will never be, however, we are an option to those struggling to save money and better their lives, to perhaps some day spit themselves out of the welfare system and shop at Nordstroms. Don’t hate Walmart as being number one, hate the economy and why Walmart is so successful.
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rickc34
Nov. 24, 2012 at 11:13pmUnions= the straw that broke Americas back.
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stevetherealist
Nov. 24, 2012 at 11:28pmuneducated mindless comment
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CHROME_PLATED_HEART
Nov. 25, 2012 at 12:27amYes indeed, Steve.
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Fubared
Nov. 25, 2012 at 9:34amStevie
Just like a useless lib, union thug to attack. How are the unionized airlines doing Stevie? How bout that USPS? Amtrak? Detroit seems to be losing out just a tad to right to work states with plants. Did Boeing do ok with it’s plant away from Sheattle? Come on Stevie, regurgitated some of that trumpka vomit…
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Falindraun
Nov. 25, 2012 at 2:38pmi agree with the anti-union opinion, as in todays day and age unions do nothing but drive up costs for consumers and create more troubles then they are worth. My biggest example of unions being a bad thing is what happened to Hostess and how the unions got paid before the investors when GM went through bankruptcy. The investors should have been paid first and the unions last. Unions generally are nothing more than a boil on the foot of America.
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enderwiggen
Nov. 26, 2012 at 7:43amUnions had their place decades ago. Now they are strong arming local and state governments into bankruptcy. Their purpose is quite simple, provide a new master for their slaves.
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loriann12
Nov. 26, 2012 at 8:14am@enderwiggen – that’s what I’ve been saying for years. My dad worked 25 years at a Proctor and Gamble plant. They are not union. Every time the vote comes up, it gets voted down. Why? Because they already get the same pay, good treatment and don’t pay union dues to get it. I want to know why companies are forced to offer the option of a vote for a union, when once the union is in, no one is allowed to vote them out? They don’t keep the same employees forever. I worked at a sewing factory, forced to be union if I wanted to work there. No tonce in my three years there did it come up to vote whether I wanted to be in a union.
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movielover79
Nov. 24, 2012 at 11:12pmI used to work for wal-mart for five years. Before that my mom worked there for seven years, and then a year before I left she went back. It was easy to move up in the company if you have the drive. I worked there for two years before I was bumped to manager for the pet department, and It was another six months before I was moved to the bigger department lawn and garden. The pay starting was average and It got better the harder I worked and the more I stood out, but like any place you hit a ceiling on how much you can make an hour there. The benefits were better than any other retailer, and the upper management is the same as any job. If you wanted to make more money then you could always start there management program which is as hard as any place else. And like any place else you work on a salary that is less than you would get paid if you were paid hourly. What I’m saying is if you don’t like the pay then go somewhere else. And if you are complaining that finding a job with better pay is harder then you think then the advice I can give you is this. Nothing worth while is ever easy. Sometimes you have to take a risk on your dreams. It’s the struggle that makes you into the success that you are. I’m in no way where I want to be in life, but that doesn’t mean I will not get there.
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john63782001
Nov. 24, 2012 at 10:11pmI WORK FOR WALMART! so i think my opinion on the subject of unionizing walmart should be heard.
1] why should i pay some one to work? i know a steel company that had to unionize to get a work order from toyota, we cash checks at walmart and i saw what these guys made before they went union let me tell you the before and after is dramatic! they get FAR LESS! when asked what happened they reply union dues! so no thanks unions i do not make enough money for you to swoop in steal half my pay check so i can continue to work.
2] pay: what people do not hear is “profit share” it is based on how well the store you work at does. 401k, stock purchaser plan [walmart puts in 15% of what you do up to $1500] and YES THEY OFFER HEALTH INSURANCE!
3] expectations: the expectations of some is insane. 15 hours worth of work for 3 people expected to be done in 8 hours by 1 person… then again that is why they pay me a lot of money to do what i can do. why do i need a union to swoop in say they need to hire those other 2 in their who have no clue what they are doing get in the way and make me take the full 15 hours to do this… this comes off the back half of my check “profit share” yes these 2 people who are paid by the hour comes off my check at the end of the year not to mention the oops broken product by them.
in short mr union rep, <> sit and spin, when you reach the elbow, the rides over and you owe me a buck!
have a nice day :)
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KangarooJack
Nov. 24, 2012 at 10:24pmlol – kinda like me having to train people who have NO CLUE how to work? Complete with two new hires who have “issues” involving basic math…
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icravethetruth
Nov. 26, 2012 at 2:47amThere are other added benefits that have not been mentioned such as the in – store employee discounts on groceries and merchandise, employee discounts offered by other businesses through the employee only website, free in-store employee appreciation meals, silent auctions on certain merchandise etc A couple of these may depend on the store and/or manager.
The managers of each store can make a big difference in how the employees are treated and how well the store is run and viewed by the community. I think this could be where alot of problems stem from. Our store has been managed by the same person since it’s opening in the 80s.
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bandit49
Nov. 24, 2012 at 10:08pmMany years ago I worked at a Walmart. I was paid commensurate with my skills – which were absolutely NOTHING (I got paid minimum wage). It wasn’t a bad place to work, but I didn’t want to spend the rest of my life behind a cash register or stocking shelves – so I took out a loan – and went back to school and got a degree. And was no longer making minimum wage.
That is something any one of those people working there can do if they don’t like working for Walmart.
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mopman64
Nov. 24, 2012 at 9:58pmMy wife works at wal mart, she is a cashier, she has been there for about 16 months. Her hr rate is 8.85
Last Nov, my wife received a letter saying if you are having trouble please take advantage of your state programs such as food stamps, and section 8 housing. This came from the wal mart home office. My wife works about 23 to 27 hours a week.
There is no over time, no full time. For the Christmas season they hired about ten extra cashiers and reduced everyone’s hours including my wife’s to 23 for this week.
You can not afford their health ins on the hours and pay they give you.
And to the know it all that said don’t like your job go someplace else, it’s not that easy this day and age, my wife had a good job till 2009. HMMM, I wonder what happen in Jan 2009 that caused many people to get laid off.
My wife has a college anyone out there hiring?
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chfields62
Nov. 25, 2012 at 1:11amIf you don’t like the job, go somewhere else or quit your sniveling. You knew the pay, the benefits and everything else before you were hired. If it isn’t enough, then DON’T TAKE THE JOB!! if you take the job, then don’t complain. It is tough finding work now, especially since the schmuck was reelected, don’t expect it to get any better for at least 6 years…..Be thankful you have a job, there are 23 million other people that will be happy to take your place! If you let the unions in, they will do to your job what they did to the steel workers jobs, make them disappear……..bottom line is SH^% or get off the pot!!!!
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mopman64
Nov. 25, 2012 at 9:50am@CHFIELDS62, it’s very easy to sit in judgement of another person. It’s very easy to give advise and you seem like the type of person that gives a lot of it, even if it’s not asked for.
So I will say this: until you walk a mile in my shoes or in this case my wife’s you don’t know what you talk about and there is no point in any discussion with you, as you seem to know enough for the both of us.
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Neter1957
Nov. 25, 2012 at 3:46pmDUH, Obama the economy destroyer took office!
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holesinmygenes
Nov. 25, 2012 at 10:20pmThe question isn’t whether or not a job at Wal-Mart is a “good” job, it’s whether or not unionizing would help.
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Dennis Germain
Nov. 24, 2012 at 8:28pm((1) Minimum Living Wage.
If every working person could pay for their own Health care, their own retirement, their own basic need,their own taxes, government ( tax payers ) won’t have to.
(2) No Corporate income tax, capitol gains tax
If Corporations pay their fair share ( a living wage ), they don’t need to pay taxes. ( when they pay employees – the employees pay taxes )
Why punish Corporations for investing in the U.S.A., don’t tax them for creating jobs.
(3) No Freebies, shrink government pool of money to give away
Government programs pay for themselves and only for themselves.
There is no such thing as free, someone always pays for it.
If you want to fly, you pay to be inspected
If the Boarders were closed and anything crossing the boarder was inspected and charged for that inspection at no cost to the Tax payer
The National parks will be ‘ok’ if no one goes there, only the visitors cause the problem, charge them not me.
National Endowment for the Arts, government does not need to take money from me to tell me what art is, ” Hollywood ” can do that
Problem – we don’t have enough inspector ( crops, beef, chicken, safety,boarder, etc..) charge those that need inspected, not the taxpayer ( if i don’t eat chicken, why should I pay to have it inspected )
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AmericanStrega
Nov. 24, 2012 at 7:50pmWell Crap, let’s just shut down every business (they’re all bass-turds looking to take our money).. Then we can all live off the government. Wait, I’m forming a thought……..Ohhh, that’s right…WITHOUT BUSINESS AND EVERYONE PAYING TAXES THERE WOULD’NT BE ANY LIVING OFF THE GOVERNMENT! Wow, what an epiphony I just had. To bad so many cannot have the same.
THANK YOU AND GOOD NIGHT!
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repairsea
Nov. 24, 2012 at 7:19pmIf you don’t like your job at Walmart, go get another job somewhere else. It is called free enterprise. Better yet, start your own business and let the union take it over.
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Grey Eagle
Nov. 24, 2012 at 9:54pmI agree with your comments. This is unskilled labor we are talking about. Why on earth would these people need to be unionized? If these works are unhappy leave. Lots of other people would be glad for those jobs. I know several who started at the bottom and worked their way up to management. Plus they have good profit sharing.
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ClaudeRains
Nov. 24, 2012 at 7:12pmI keep seeing posts about not shopping at Walmart because all they carry are products made in China. Ok. Now can someone post a store where the majority of the products are made in the USA? As far as pay it’s basically the same as any other retail outlet. Unless you get into management at any retail or fast food store these are entry level positions. People work at them while they go to school and move on to higher paying jobs. If you go to Wendy’s thinking that flipping burgers is a career you’re an idiot.
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drs1969
Nov. 24, 2012 at 9:55pmAmerican manufacturors have been put under by Wal-Mart. 20 years ago, before we ever heard of Bill and Hillary Clinton, W.Mart bragged about buying American. Then came Clinton, from Arkansas, just like Wal-Mart. Coincidence?
The Chinese started camping out in the Lincoln bedroom. Then Wal-Mart flooded the country with Chinese goods. Maybe their customers wouldn’t be so darn poor if we weren’t running a 40+Billion per month trade deficit w/China.
We are importing Communism this way. At the same time China is importing strength and Capitalism. We are clearly losing on this trade.
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Lt_Scrounge
Nov. 24, 2012 at 11:55pmActually if you look at the Ozark Trails sleeping bags sold at Walmart, they’re made in the US. It’s the Coleman brand sleeping bags that are made in China. BTW, I don’t know of any other store that carries Ozark Trail but Walmart.
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CelticGyrl
Nov. 25, 2012 at 5:05pm@DRS1969-the change you are referring to wasn’t the emergence of Bill Clinton. WalMart changed when Mr. Sam died. His children didn’t hold to his absolute policy of Buy American. Until then, WalMart carried American made products unless it just wasn’t available from an American manufacturer. I worked for WalMart 20+ years ago and see the changes. WalMart is NOT a career unless you want to move into management and remain in retail. It’s an entry level job with entry level pay and benefits. Just like McDonald’s or Burger King. People who want to unionize WalMart aren’t being realistic, but, then when is the union realistic in today’s labor market? Unions are no more than organized, mafia-style, criminals who are practicing legalized extortion against job providers.
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MrKnowItAll
Nov. 24, 2012 at 6:21pmReally? Who was Paying the Extra Buck plus for Wonder Bread? No one I know. Now it’s fact why Wonder Bread, as big and as long as they have been around. Could not lower the Prices on Anything they Sold. The UNION. That’s WHY! I have a UNION CONTRACT in my Possession that would BLOW Your MIND! These People were GETTING Everything. That was not Enough. It never will be until the UNIONS ARE History. We have So many Labor Laws Today. There is NOT one single Truth why anyone needs a UNION in our Time Now. Except Money to Elect DESTROYER’S of America!
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TheePolitinator
Nov. 24, 2012 at 6:33pmPeople don’t see that Unions are just fronts for corrupt politicians and greedy fat cat filth.
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turkey13
Nov. 24, 2012 at 6:49pmThe little people pay the union dues so the union can buy a president and put him in their back pockets. Since GM closed the plant in Oklahoma City they have built a new plant in Mexico and China. All the real working folks in OK City got laid off and 7 years later GM still owens the plant and about 90 union stewards still show up each morning to do what! The same will happen to 18,000 folks at Hostess. Somehow I’m sure the stewards will still draw a pay check
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Independent4ever
Nov. 24, 2012 at 5:08pmI don’t shop there. Food is now cheaper at the grocery stores and the rest of their stuff is plastic.
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drs1969
Nov. 24, 2012 at 9:59pmSame here. I once bought some of their pre-packed steaks and it was absolutely tasteless. I believe the chlorine ‘packing gas’ had dissolved the flavor.
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shadesofgray
Nov. 25, 2012 at 2:51pmIf you don’t shop there how do you know the food is Cheaper at the grocery store? I shop there and several other stores, Frys, Albertsons, Safeway etc (looking for the best price). Walmart & Sams Club are consistently less expensive and the quality is equal to or in some cases better than the others. When the “grocery stores” have a sale you have to be very careful what you buy, it’s usually been around awhile. Prediction for next year, costs of goods & services will go up dramatically, incomes will continue to go down. I live modestly on a modest income, I might be looking for a job at Walmart just to survive.
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DougHuffman
Nov. 24, 2012 at 5:06pmConfusing right-wing with conservatism/anti-progressive. Democrat, Republican and Libertarian are all progressives.
I would never set foot in a Great Wall of China mart.
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HappyStretchedThin
Nov. 24, 2012 at 5:56pmUmmm. Think you better go back to your dictionary, there bro. Got a lot of libertarian friends to whom “progressive” is the highest insult. Conservatives, like me, on the other hand also have a beef with your way of putting it. Our chance for power passes through the Republican party, so there are a good many anti-progressives there as well.
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HappyStretchedThin
Nov. 24, 2012 at 5:58pmp.s. Also peruse an econ 101 textbook. If they’re not cheating with subsidies (which they are for many things, and we must push back on that), then there’s nothing wrong with the Chinese producing something more cheaply than we can. It’s good for the consumers AND the producers (who are ALSO consumers of things, remember) when the prices are lower. It just frees us up to do what we genuinely ARE better at.
A little concept called: opportunity cost.
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drs1969
Nov. 24, 2012 at 10:05pmRe: HST
Americans can’t live on Chinese wages. Do the math. 1.25 billion Chinese vs. 310 Mil. Americans. Now average their wages with ours. A Chinese worer may earn less all day then our minimum wage for 1 hour. They are sucking the life out of us w/ the enormous trade deficit.
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drs1969
Nov. 24, 2012 at 10:19pmI’d also add, it appears that 45+ million Americans ‘genuinely are better at’ collecting food stamps. Over 8 million ‘genuinely are better at’ collecting SSI, I’ve seen at least 2 people do this (permanent disability) within the last 10 years after their plants closed.
This is not a sustainable path. If not for the FED buying Treasuries, this would have already stopped. The FED is aiding the Chinese, at this point, by propping up the value of their Treasury holdings, at our expense! When the FED buys bonds w/ new money that drives the cost of everything else higher.
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schlitten15
Nov. 25, 2012 at 11:53amMy daughter and I went to the mall the other day. We visited several stores including Macy’s, JCpenney’s and Sears. …and guess what? All of them had labels on their merchandise “Made in China” and the clothing etc. are much more expensive. So don’t knock Wal Mart.
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gena t
Nov. 25, 2012 at 1:01pmI have a friend who was once married to an immigrant from Iran who has become a multimillionaire since moving to the US. She was visiting his $450,000 house a year or two ago and noticed he and his current wife had purchased a lot of new furniture. She was noticing that he had a lot of Early American, Victorian, French, and various other styles of furniture in the room, so she asked him how he has chosen the collection of furniture. He proudly told her it was Chinese style furniture. She was a bit taken back and asked him what he meant, and he showed her on each piece, and they were all expensive pieces of furniture, Made in China. She did manage to keep a straight face and her mouth shut. Until she got home. So WalMart is not the only store that sells stuff made in China.
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progressiveslayer
Nov. 24, 2012 at 5:04pmIf they’re able to unionize walmart I think the company should just go out of business and be done with it. F the union pigs,all they do is destroy businesses and make everything cost more than it should.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca8Z__o52sk
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progressiveslayer
Nov. 24, 2012 at 5:20pmhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQLBitV69Cc&feature=fvwrel
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ron2win
Nov. 25, 2012 at 6:53amYou are right .Unfortunately that is what O wants , a failed economy and riots in the street .So he can declare martial law and be el presidente’ for life !
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IMCHRISTIAN
Nov. 24, 2012 at 4:58pmIf Walmart is greedy then what are union heads? They just want to collect a lot of money for dues to do as they please so they can even be richer union heads. Freedom means people should be able to spend what they want to, to whom they want to as long as legal, and vote in the best candidates not who the unions forces them too.
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jungle J
Nov. 24, 2012 at 4:55pmI think anyone that makes more than me should have their taxes raised because they are rich to me. Only the sane understand.
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Mudd
Nov. 24, 2012 at 6:42pmThat’s right, I’ve been saying that for years! Rich is relative. I have a friend who has a high paying union job with outstanding benifits, owns his own home, four vehicals, a boat, a motorcycle, travels several times a year and is constantly crying, TAX THE RICH! I agree and ask him how much more he’d be willing to pay. We don’t talk to each other much anymore.
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Ruckus_Tom
Nov. 25, 2012 at 12:23pmExcellent. The Wal Mart cake decorator and a brain surgeon should have equal pay and both be unionized, government employees. Heh.
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strawberry411a
Nov. 24, 2012 at 4:39pmWho cares. Fire them all, liquidate the business and go on disability. It’s the new Amerikan way.
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ObserverOnTheHill
Nov. 24, 2012 at 4:22pmPretty much all the Walmarts I have ever been in I think could actually reduce their personnel by 20-25% minimally as I always see a great many of them just walking around being unproductive.If they let that many people go I don’t think “customer service” would suffer at all but they would be blamed for laying people off and increasing unemployment.
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Elena2010
Nov. 24, 2012 at 4:35pmMy store no longer has “Greeters.”
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grayling646
Nov. 24, 2012 at 8:28pmElena,
After the incident described here some Walmart stores eliminated the greeter position altogether.
Well I started my new job today as a Wal-Mart Greeter. A good find for many retirees, I lasted less than a day. About two hours into my first day on the job a very loud, unattractive, mean-acting woman walked into the store with her two kids, yelling obscenities at them all the way through the entrance. As I had been instructed, I said pleasantly, ‘Good morning and welcome to Wal-Mart. Nice children you have there. Are they twins? The ugly woman stopped yelling long enough to say, ‘Hell no, they ain’t twins. The oldest one’s 9, and the other one’s 7. Why the hell would you think they’re twins? Are you blind, or just stupid? So I replied, ‘I’m neither blind nor stupid, Ma’am, I just couldn’t believe you got laid twice. Have a good day and thank you for shopping at Wal-Mart.
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gorgo
Nov. 25, 2012 at 8:41amdrs1969
Posted on November 24, 2012 at 10:30pm
Wal-Mart made it’s business on the back of almost free Chinese labor undercutting American goods.
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Because unions long ago drove up the cost of production beyond profitability and competitiveness, and because democrats always try to rape companies. Those big enough to survive moved overseas to take advantage of cheaper labor.
A business exists for one fundamental reason, and it’s not to provide jobs.
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Ruckus_Tom
Nov. 25, 2012 at 12:35pm@grayling646 … Ha ! Ha ha ha !
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adouglass1
Nov. 25, 2012 at 6:44pm@Grayling646 I just spit up my Fritos and sprite omg that was awesome I give you a 10.1 Lmaoo.
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HappyStretchedThin
Nov. 24, 2012 at 4:20pm16. Yes, some small stores close when Walmart opens. But in small towns, Walmart can become real community hubs – more so, because of size.
I’d love to see some hard data on this. Seems to me, it’s valid to think of big Walmart as a huge threat from the perspective of the small businesses it directly competes with.
But every time I’ve seen a Walmart go up, there’s a bank, a McDonald’s, a Subway, a dollar store, and a bunch of side businesses that pop up right away right close.
Isn’t there most likely a net benefit?
Aren’t there MORE opportunities for businesses when a new Walmart moves in?
My favorite local radio guy says something wise: to a conservative adversity is indistinguishable from opportunity
The small business that are threatened can compete in ways Walmart NEVER can: customer service, follow-through, quality of product. It’s not so much a matter of loss, as a matter of SHIFT when a Walmart comes to town. And it’s almost always a shift for the better–growth.
Point is: let the people choose. Better things happen when they’re allowed to.
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Elena2010
Nov. 24, 2012 at 4:37pmI have a local hardware store that may be higher in price, but they also stock odd-sized fasteners and washers and such. If I can’t find it at Wal-Mart, Home Despots, or Lowe’s, I go there!
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drs1969
Nov. 24, 2012 at 10:30pmWal-Mart made it’s business on the back of almost free Chinese labor undercutting American goods. Now that business is suffering from saturation. That’s why they then moved into food. So they could leverage their business model to take advantage of all those food stamp recipients they helped to create!
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hi
Nov. 24, 2012 at 3:49pmWalmart can’t force you to do anything. The government can. People shouldn’t give government so much power over their lives.
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shadesofgray
Nov. 25, 2012 at 3:52pmSo True.
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DadRocked
Nov. 24, 2012 at 3:35pmDoes it really matter at all? What product one buys or where they buy at… The decision is up to ones wallet/budget…
No jobs, wallets are thinner… Productive/prosperous times… wallets are thicker… Simple as that…
Over regulated/taxed country to a manufacturer, he stays in business by purchasing going elsewhere.
Repeat business is a must… Keep prices down to maintain, and build, the repeat business. Repeat process.
More revenue, more need for employees…
Quit trying to dissect a business and spend more time dissecting the government and holding their feet to the fire. Not just at election time.
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Margyt
Nov. 24, 2012 at 3:26pmMy biggest issue here is self-determination. If the workers choose not to be unionized, why does the union think it knows better and can force the issue? If Walmart gets the business, who are the little guys to complain? The landscape is always changing and big box is in. I shopped KMart when my family was young, wouldn’t enter one unless my life depended on it now. I am so sick of “Occupy” tactics and people who think they know better than me. If the little guys and the unions want to win, they should just get more competitive in their product.
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cjohnson3413
Nov. 24, 2012 at 4:10pmI have always been counter to unions on an ideological level due mainly to their political leanings. This remained true even when I began to work for them for a summer job. The structure of the stores is to promote the ability for the common employee to discuss problems with the management staff, which I really liked, at first. However, due to the management short comings and the inability to improve the efficiency of the work day without the threatening of displinary action, often, it began to change my mind if unions are not more appropriate for the average worker that was there. I was lucky because I did not rely upon that job like my co workers did and I did not care about the threats and worked as well as I could in the situation we were in. Not to mention, after eventually being given a displinary mark on my record like 5 fellow workers, we were not notified and the area on the page where we were to write down our own record it was already filled in. By chance I found out about this and notified the store manager who I had to confront personally and go over the page after he was very dismissive. Not to mention the fact after doing my own research into labor laws I found one Wal-Mart was actually braking. To simplify the whole experience taught me a valuable lesson on the grey area of unions and corporations even if I am a conservative, it takes first hand experience.
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Elena2010
Nov. 24, 2012 at 4:42pmIn the days before OSHA and other gov’t regulators, there was a need for unions. Unions did help groups and individual workers make a better living and have safer work environments.
This is not the case any longer. The time for unions is past. All they do now is gum up the works by demanding more than possible. Witness: Hostess is dead because of union demands, and those unions just lost 18,500 people their jobs. Witness: Chrysler and GM will die because of union overreach on pay and benefits. Chrysler is already in the hands of Fiat for all practical purposes. Now Fiat has a new way to bring their little Italian cars over and compete w/Smartcar and the Japanese for the itty-bitty niche market.
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Walkabout
Nov. 24, 2012 at 3:14pm16. Yes, some small stores close when Walmart opens. But in small towns, Walmart can become real community hubs – more so, because of size.
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And the kids of the small business owners in a small town can be snobby. I don;t miss the small businesses. In fact a corporation like Walmart can be more egalitarian than a small business. There is still a pecking order & there is still some snobbery from time to time, but there is more social mobility & you don;t have to be related to get ahead.
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BBReggie
Nov. 24, 2012 at 3:11pmRe number 8: “Erase the entire Walton family fortune and you get an average $1/hour boost to Walmart workers.” I think his math is way off. The Walton family fortune is somewhere in the $100b range. Using the standard work year of 2,080 hours and 1.3m employees, a hundred billion would give about $37 per hour (additional) to each of them for one year. I can’t figure how he gets to the $1 figure.
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grayling646
Nov. 24, 2012 at 3:32pmMaybe it’s because he knows that most people work 40 to 45 years. I can’t figure out where you get this one year figure.
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22_year_old_conservative
Nov. 24, 2012 at 6:26pmAnd I don’t know how you got your numbers. But I’m willing to debunk your stated 37 dollars/hr additional pay.
I’m going to use your 100B number for their net worth, and also the number of employees you state 1.3M.
Next I’m going to use the correct number of work days in the year 2012, 251 days.
Then finally I’m going to use an average of 35hrs per employee.
So for an entire year 1 employee works 8785 hours not 2080.
So we take 1.3M times 8785 and we get 11.421B hrs/yr.
Then we take 100B divided by 11.421B and we get 8.76 dollars/hr additional.
And that is just with your numbers on total employees and on the net worth. I’m guessing you just saw those numbers on a blog somewhere and thought “Hey that will be great to bash those fools over at the Blaze” next time you might want to check their math first, then next their “facts”.
Correct facts: Walton family net worth approx 94B, and approx number of Walmart employees is 1.4M
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AmericanStrega
Nov. 24, 2012 at 7:20pmThere’s a few things you’re missing here. Here are two: the employer has to pay taxes for each of his/her employees (match dollar for dollar on s.s.) and pay into a Workers Compensation premium designated by a Workers Compensation insurance carrier. These two examples are just a few of the things that “common” workers do not understand about runnung a business (small or large). People seem to think an employer is out to keep as much money for themselves rather than give salary to their employees. This is not true, for the most part. My husband and I owned a mfg business, which thrived for thirty years. We were not a union shop, but we paid each employee what that employee was worth (most earned more per hour than either my husband or I). We also paid 100% health, dental, and vision insurance for the employee (the employee had to pay for family members). We also paid for suplimental insurance through AFLAC. We had a really good company and the majority of our employees were happy (let me add here we also gave Christmas and Thanksgiving bonuses when the company could afford it). Unfortunately, when our current president and his admin. came into office we had to shut down and fire all of our employees. This was mainly due to the fact we were a government contractor for fire surpression equipment. (When the government needs to cut back they usually cut the Dept of Forestry first). So here we are. Not all Co.’s are bad, but you probably won’t believe that.
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grayling646
Nov. 24, 2012 at 7:26pm22
You’re saying an employee works 35 hours per day?
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mayday85
Nov. 24, 2012 at 8:14pm22 Yr old Conservative just because you take on an air of superiority, does not make your math correct. There are 52 weeks in a year, you would take that number times average hours worked,( 35-40 a week if you are lucky, although most Wal-Mart emplyees are underemployed and get only part time hours so that Wal-Mart is not obligated to give them healthcare). Good try though, enjoy your life without a soul.
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E.Z. Las Vegas
Nov. 24, 2012 at 2:40pmI’m in a nit-picky mood this morning, do here goes:
I before e, except after c, or when it sounds like an a, as in neighbor, or weigh.
Sorry about that, Cheif.
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Becket Adams
Nov. 24, 2012 at 2:47pmAnd I assume the “do” in “do here goes” is supposed to be “so.” Let’s call it a draw.
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The-Monk
Nov. 24, 2012 at 2:52pmWeird…..
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grayling646
Nov. 24, 2012 at 3:37pmYou made me laugh, Becket. I’m guilty as well.
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hi
Nov. 24, 2012 at 3:43pmThe Monk
Haha! Good one.
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E.Z. Las Vegas
Nov. 24, 2012 at 3:47pmTouche’ Becket. However, I am not paid to write and edit headlines. At least, not yet.
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The-Monk
Nov. 24, 2012 at 3:49pmHi HI,
Don’t thank me, thank….. Chief (spelled Cheif) Weird. LOL
Hi Becket,
Hope your Holiday was wonderful !!! Keep up the great stories. : )
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The-Monk
Nov. 24, 2012 at 3:54pm@E.Z. Las Vegas,
” At least, not yet.”
Didn’t you mean “not nyet”
Sorry….. I couldn’t resist. : )
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soybomb315_II
Nov. 24, 2012 at 3:57pmmore of the ‘do as i say, not as i do’ mindset
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Fubared
Nov. 25, 2012 at 9:43amTofu
Did you just describe Paulbots or what?
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