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Atheists’ Mock Nativity Axes Jesus, Adds Darwin, Einstein, an Anarchist & an African Baby in WI State Capitol Display

Nov. 27, 2012 8:28am Billy Hallowell

Atheists, clearly agitated that Christians purportedly “stole” various holiday traditions from pagans, have come up with a solution: A potentially-offensive “natural nativity scene” that removes baby Jesus and replaces traditional Bible characters with some eyebrow-raising alternatives. The Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF) is behind the spectacle, which emerged this week as part of a diorama inside the Wisconsin state capitol.

The angel that typically graces the nativity is replaced with an astronaut. And the wise-men – prominent figures in the Biblical account of Jesus’ birth — are replaced with evolutionary theorist Charles Darwin, scientist Albert Einstein, anarchist Emma Goldman and author Mark Twain. The Statue of Liberty is also placed in the alternative nativity to purportedly symbolize freedom.

FFRF Assembles Alternative Nativity in Wisconsin State Capitol

Photo Credit: Freedom From Religion Foundation

Rather than including Mary, whom the FFRF dismisses as “a mythical fertility figure,” the display includes Venus, the Roman goddess of love. And forget about Joseph — this depiction has Thomas Jefferson, a figure atheist groups enjoy touting for his purported church versus state views. According to the FFRF, Jefferson “would have disavowed Christian devotional scenes on state property.”

Most noticeably, instead of Jesus, an African American baby girl is utilized. According to a press release put out by the organization, this action was chosen in an effort to encourage society to “adore girl children as much as boy children.” Also, the inclusion of this figure was implemented to showcase that life commenced in Africa.

“We nonbelievers don’t mind sharing the season with Christians, but we think there should be some acknowledgment that the Christians really ‘stole’ the trimmings of Christmas, and the sun-god myths, from pagans,” FFRF co-president Annie Laurie Gaylor proclaimed on the group’s web site.

Photo Credit: Freedom From Religion Foundation

In addition to the nativity, the organization has also placed a sign in the capitol rotunda that lambastes Christmas’ religious significance. It reads:

“At this season of the Winter Solstice, may reason prevail.
There are no gods, no devils, no angels, no heaven or hell.
There is only our natural world.
Religion is but myth and superstition that hardens hearts and enslaves minds.”

On the back of the poster, a poem from Ella Wheeler, a Wisconsin poet, is included. Much like the front of the sign, the selection, entitled, “The World’s Need,” takes aim at the world’s many religions.

The FFRF assembles the sign each year (this is the 17th time it has appeared in the capitol) in an effort to ensure that its non-theist views are heard during the holiday season. Additionally, this is the second year that the nativity has been included (read about last year’s display here).

While the group claims that it would like all religious symbols out of government buildings, it maintains its own right to have anti-faith signs and symbols present if those more religious elements also have a place.

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MsMarylou8
Posted on November 27, 2012 at 8:57am
Someone needs to put a Manger Scene seen right next to it!

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- DeavonReye
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 9:01am
  Sure! Each person should be exposed to a variety of messages. It is up to them what they choose to believe. The key is, . . . . . . they must do their own research on the topic, not just believe something because it is displayed as “truth”. The latter is the first step to gullibility.
  
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- 4truth2all
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 9:24am
  Yo Devonreye:
  
  Here is some truth … “your” people are offended AT Christ
  Christians DO NOT purposely offend by the displaying of the Naivity (it is a celebration).
  Atheists PURPOSELY offend, (that means intentionally, by those truthfully challanged) by this type of display. …Good day
  4truthttodevonreye
  
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- SquidVetOhio
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 9:26am
  Keep on trying to defend this idiocy. The nativity scene depicts a jewish baby being born in a manger. It doesn’t force anyone to believe that baby is God. But no, atheists must mock it to satisfy their wickedness and hatred for all things holy.
  
  Again, Ramadan was last month. Why don’t these gutless pansies mock Muhammed? I think we all know why……
  
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- brother_ed
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 9:27am
  @DEAVONREYE
  
  Though I agree with your premise – exposure to a diversity of ideas – it is the tactic employed that is getting peoples dander up.
  
  When a group has to resort to belittling another, it looses its credibility.
  
  I do not think this type of display should be banned, but I do see it for what it is: sophomoric humor meant to demean.
  
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- DeavonReye
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 9:34am
  I made a post on this thread that stated that I do not condone these kind of displays. However, it is up. A nativity being put up next to it would give the other side. That was my point. I am not “an atheist”. I’m just one who looks for facts, not faith. Is that looked down upon? Absolutely, . . . by those religious folk who are offended by that. But it isn’t meant to offend. It is just the way I am.
  
  Again, . . . I do not condone this display.
  
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- Capt_Gregg
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 9:52am
  @DeavonReye
  I agree. Blind acceptance of something without exploring the alternatives = ignorance. One wouldn’t buy a new car or house without shopping around, but most embrace the first religion they are exposed to.
  
  That said, the FFFR’s display is in extremely bad taste, and is deliberately offensive.
  
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- AlinskyS
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 9:59am
  Amen
  
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- horsefeathers99
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 10:00am
  Without God in your life what is left to fill that void?
  Hate, anger, tearing the believers down to make yourself feel better or important?
  How could one feel good about doing something like this, by trying to hurt other people?
  It only makes them look more foolish.
  
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- DeavonReye
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 10:02am
  True Capt. It is easy to see that point when considering the major religions of Inda, Arab countries, Far East, etc.
  
  And also true, that display was meant to offend, and there is no reason for that.
  
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- DeavonReye
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 10:12am
  Horse, . . . what “void” are you talking about here?
  
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- Capt_Gregg
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 10:57am
  @DeavonReye
  Exactly! Geography and culture seem to be the major factor. I have no doubt that most of the Christians here would be devout Muslims if they had been born and raised in Saudi Arabia, or Hindus if born in India. Most put more thought into selecting a new pair of shoes than they do in choosing a religion, or at least a demomination of a religion.
  
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- scherzophrenic
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 11:48am
  Nah, set it on fire. I do note with amusement that they cite one of the ten commandments: Thou shalt not steal.
  Why? There is no god, so stealing isn’t wrong, is it?
  
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- The_Doors_Of_Perception
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 11:56am
  so without God you would be okay with being stolen from? critical thinking
  
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- NovemberTwentyseven
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 12:10pm
  Aethists must be bitter, angry and hateful people to attack a holiday that promotes peace and love. Read fresh Political comentary at: http://smallcraftadvisorychronicles.blogspot.com/
  
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- TheArbiter
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 1:31pm
  oh squidvet… always so hyperbolic and presumtive. When do atheists NOT attack islam? It’s even easier than attacking christians due to ther barbarism and the fact that their prophetwas a pedophilic madman.
  
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- Gonzo
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 2:10pm
  I would rather see them put up a diorama of some sacred scene from Mohamed’s life. As the Duke so eloquently put it, “That’ll be the day.”
  
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- PATTY HENRY
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 2:42pm
  SOMEONE created an environment; The creator made it wonderful. We were all invited to come and enjoy it, learn, build our character and become the people we were created to have life eternally and be
  companions to this creator.
  We failed, sin was on earth and we had free will and we made a lot of wrong decisions, sinned a lot
  so the Creator had to send the ONLY sin-less Being around (besides himself) and this Sin-less person had to be punished for our sins….after all, if you have rules, you have to follow them or you have nothing.
  So this Being came as one of us, lived with us, did not sin even tho’ tempted; DIED FOR US and therefore we can continue with eternal life but under the condition that we follow this BEING in our
  life-style, in our actions and our obedience to the Creator.
  THAT’S IT. THAT’S ALL there is to know for now. YOU can know the Creator in 1 minute if you will just ask HIM (and mean it) .
  SIN is owned by another being, an evil one, who will end his existence at the pleasure of the Creative Being (when ever GOD says) . The evil guy’s job is to keep as many of God’s creations from being able to move on to eternal life with God. (Some people say evil is here to kill us…maybe …but more to keep us from GOD…eventually we (like someone cut off from oxygen) loose sight of God.
  THIS IS WHY these “ATHEISTS” are so sad. THEY have NO CLUE of what JESUS did for them or what they are throwing away.
  
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- Dr Vel
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 2:45pm
  TheArbiter “When do atheists NOT attack islam?”
  
  Are you really this shallow and without thought? Not one time have I ever seen or read about the FFRF attacking any religion except Christianity. Ever! They exclusively attack Christians and the Christian God and no other without exception. This is true for all aspects of the left, liberals, and atheists. Period. This beyond any other criteria shows atheism = satanism without exception. How many people can claim the FFRF has ever given them aid in any small way? What positive have they done? FFRF = FFC. Exclusively.
  
  Nothing you can do or say honestly and fairly proves otherwise. If atheists were merely people who did not believe in God certain things would be self evident. They would attack all religions equally. They would live and let live. Meaning they would not be offended by Christianity they would respect other peoples right to believe the way they choose. They would not be in a never ending state of war against one religion without exception. Nor would they be working every day to destroy this nations heritage, foundation, and traditions which have been a positive light to a world of darkness. Until 2008 at least, now not so much. Who was it who fought against Hitler? What religion did those warriors hold? Were they muslim? Not so. Even Persia sided with the forces of darkness supporting the Third Reich, i.e., Persia = Iran = Aryan. Anyone who can think clearly can see atheists hate only one people and one God.
  
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- turkey13
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 2:51pm
  They are right – we need to seperate Church & State! Call your boss and tell them that you are working on Dec. 25 TH and if they pay you and fellow workers for no work performed you will sue. With all the liberal judges out there you can’t lose.
  
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- XRavishX
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 2:51pm
  It’s my understanding that God wants people to question even their own faith in God. The idea of that is that a person of faith questioning their faith with open eyes will come to the conclusion that their faith is right and just, even if it takes an entire lifetime.
  
  I believe that once a person stops questioning their own beliefs and the truths they perceive they stop growing. An atheist should question their lack of belief on a daily basis just as a person of faith should question their belief on a daily basis.
  
  There’s a saying that’s goes “You can tell whether a man is clever by his answers. You can tell whether a man is wise by his questions.” Wisdom doesn’t come from showing that one can make a clever mockery of the Nativity. That’s simply an arrogant display showing that person believes he or she has all the answers. Questioning your own beliefs (or lack thereof) and challenging them is where true wisdom lies.
  
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- SamIamTwo
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 3:13pm
  They war with God, not man.
  
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- deanied
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 3:14pm
  YES>>YES>>YES!! They make me sick with their NON beleif! The only thing they beleive in is destroying our tradions! Live & Let LIVE! Back off athiests!!
  
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- ConstitunalAmerican
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 3:41pm
  There is always a double standard for the likes that commit these acts, and relates to their low mentality level and lack of anything better to do.
  Next year Christians should celebrate the Holy Days privately, and avoid any spending for the holiday season. That might wake up the progressives and get their attention where it hurts the most.
  
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- PATTY HENRY
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 4:18pm
  @ XRAVISHX: YOU MAY certainly question GOD, if you didn’t believe in Him you wouldn’t care what His answers word but what does GOD want from us most? What does the BIBLE say more than anything: FEAR NOT. God wants us to TRUST HIM. He IS the top of the food chain; the Highest of the HIGH, the BEST of the BEST… there is no one above Him. He made us, we are in this ‘school’ call life on earth and how we make decisions, deal with things, what we feel in our hearts are what HE sees when the time comes. CHRIST had to die to get our sins forgiven or we’d never had had even a slight shot at Heaven. WE do but we have to work every day to keep SIN out; to improve; to help others do this same thing. SO question, of course… sincere, honest questions but then know that HE is the Boss. HE is the best there ever could be. When, in my own life, I’ve managed to “LET GO AND LET GOD” He has done things better than I could even imagine in my wildest Imagination. HE has such great plans for us…but getting on board is OUR JOB. We don’t get there by ridiculing the very person who gives us LIFE !!
  
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- PATTY HENRY
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 4:28pm
  Lest someone misunderstand. There is NO amount of WORK that we can do that will get us into Heaven, no amount of money we can donate. We only get there because JESUS came and died for us, we got the option as we were “saved”…now if we persist in denying GOD, if we think we can SIN until the END, there will be consequences and GOD will deal with us. When I say work I mean work at learning about GOD, about our faith, about getting us on the right track (like stopping bad habits or eliminating flaws) but first : We are only saved because of JESUS’S sacrifice. THAT’S IT. ‘kay?
  
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- Lorr269
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 5:18pm
  Maybe they ought to read the poem they have on display next to this hateful scene….”When just the art of being KIND is all this sad world needs”. Seems like they dont know the definition of hypocritical. It is pure hate, nothing kind about what they are doing. I will never understand why they feel the need to push their views on Christians when Christians dont get in their faces and try to shove our sacred beliefs down their throats. It just doesnt seem right.
  
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- LibertarianForLife
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 7:12pm
  Had to see the responses to this one haha. Thank the mythical sky man for the Freedom From Religion Foundation.
  
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- Fortunate
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 11:27pm
  FFRF celebrate your own day, week, or month. WE Christians will have our celebrations. OK? OK!!! All beliefs and non beliefs are protected in America under our Constitution. Do not try to attempt to steal our Christian or Jewish faith liberty and we won’t usurp yours. Now go to your day, week, or month and celebrate that which you celebrate.
  
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- Balzy
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 3:21am
  TY 4TRUTH
  
  hellsyesums, i said something about this a little earlier. i’ll repost.
  
  Atheists have realized that there’s no way to express what they believe in, when they kinda don’t believe in anything. So how they express themselves is bashing other religions and how they’re offended is when religious people express themselves. they are complete and utter bigots who believe they are superior for the way they think as opposed to someone who believes in a higher power. they love using our religious morals and ethics against us too, because when you’re atheist you can be a misogynist pig all you want to. it’s not like you believe that humans have to adhere to morals or ethics, so there’s your justification.
  
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- TheArbiter
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 7:06am
  @ “dr” vel – i never referenced the ffrf… but thanks for playing. read ANY atheist book and there is ALWAYS at LEAST and entire chapter shredding islam to pieces. along with christianity and the rest. even bhudda isn’t safe.
  
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- TheArbiter
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:19am
  @ Balzy – I reread your post a few times to be sure I didn’t miss anything… but it appears you don’t actually know what misogynists are.
  
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- Amonite
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 1:02pm
  Why would we put a manger scene next to it? So we can look like the world and inquire after the pagans how they serve their gods, which God commanded us not to do?
  
  The christians *did* steal ‘christmas’ from the pagans. It’s not a day instituted by God (and God does not approve of mixing lies with truth). We are to be set apart from the world, not exchange the truth of God for a lie in a race to look exactly like the world, or to declare every pagan custom “now christian” and then get mad when non-christians rightly remember that what is not of God can never be of God and keep them after their own fashion.
  
  If the most prominent display of ‘christianity’ to the outside world isn’t the gospel, or any of the evidences for the gospel – but is simply their own repackaged myths, is it any wonder that unbelievers are mocking God because *you are holding up lies (which they know to be false)* and claiming them to be true? Will they then listen to Truth, when you have destroyed your credibility?
  
  The church once thought incorporating the pagan days would ‘attract’ the pagan believers – and it certainly did at first attract many nominal believers who would celebrate the feasts under any name. The problem with mixing poison in with Truth, however, is that it just makes poison. History can easily be treated as myth for the sake of untruth – but who can call a myth history?
  
  Jesus is not the reason for ‘this season’. He’s the reason for our salvation. There’s a di
  
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- Lamarr01
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 2:40pm
  Baby Barry in a manger would be more politically correct especially if the Virgin Mary was replaced with an image of Sandra Fluke.
  
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- Dismayed Veteran
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 4:06pm
  I had the luck to be born an American. While I think true freedom is being severly tested, I am not offended by this display. If atheists chose to deny the existence of G-D, they have the freedom to do so. If they intend to offend with this display, they have the freedom to do so. I am a person of faith. I feel pity for atheists for I do believe that each of us has to account for ourselves before G-D. I also feel pity for their anger and pride.
  
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- survivorseed
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 8:48pm
  I belieeeeeve, that the lord god created the universe
  and I belieeeve, that he sent his only son to die for our sins
  and I belieeeeve, that ancient jews built ships and sailed to america
  I am a mormon…and a mormon just believes
  
  I belieeeve, that god lives on the planet Kolob
  I belieeeeve, that jesus has his own planet too
  and I belieeeve, that in 1978 god changed his mind about black people
  I am a mormon…and a mormon just believes
  
  loved the book of mormon
  
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- Pigpen
  Posted on November 29, 2012 at 12:45am
  My ancestors shed blood, sweat, and tears to give me this land which God had offered to them. My RECENT ancestors, high on the successes of the 20th Century, have forfeited that country for me with their self-indulgent “tolerance” and flirtation with the intelligentsia’s conceited arrogance. My oh my how good it must have felt for the so-called “greatest generation” to lecture the “reactionary” working man about “tolerance” and “diversity”. Remember, it WAS NOT the Left that stove in the John Birch Society, it was the Yalie Buckleys who did that! And then the “drunkest generation” spawned that rancid generation of vipers that swept across our beautiful land like an overwhelming swarm of locusts: the Baby Boomers. Never before had a generation of youngsters have their heads farther up their @$$E$ than that plague of humanity. Now the once triumphant Lady Liberty is an old WHORE sold to the highest bidder going out like her chosen progenitor ROME went out. The farmland WILL be bought up by the rich and you “enlightened” fools will all end up as less than serfs. Why? Because the new nobility won’t turn to the veteran for protection! The new American nobility will turn to the biker gang, the inner city gang, and the foul cartels to be THEIR chosen “knights”. Any of you college graduates out there learn enough history between bong hits in your dorm rooms to “get” what I am saying? Doubt it.
  
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- Dizo
  Posted on December 1, 2012 at 1:04pm
  I would just like to point out that this proves that atheism is a religion. Yes it is the religion of the worship of the creation (creature) rather than the Creator, the word of God says that in the last days this would be a religion. These people are proving their worship of the creation (creature) humans or other created things, rather than the Creator. They have a very strong faith that God does not exist and that His word is a lie, but God is not mocked and His word does not come back to Him void. The truth may be void in these people but that does not make God, His living Word, Christ Jesus null and void, it just proves they are void of His truth. Jesus said; you can blaspheme God, you can blaspheme Him, Jesus, but you can not (better not) blaspheme the Holy Spirit. Their religion does the first two quite boldly and if the Holy Spirit tries to speak to them in their life time I pray they do not blaspheme Him, for their own souls sake.
  
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term limits for congress
Posted on November 27, 2012 at 8:56am
Just part of the communist agenda.

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- SpankDaMonkey
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 9:06am
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  It’s Offical God Hates America………..
  
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- NHwinter
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 9:26am
  I don’t think God hates America, but it sure looks like some in America hate God.
  
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- Pantloadian
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 9:39am
  Better communist than Christian theocrats.
  
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- barber2
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 9:54am
  LOAD: Never thought I’d see the day that an American ( you are ? ) would openly state a preference for communism over Christianity. Perhaps the government should provide you with an encounter in say, North Korea, or Cuba . Since you are an unhappy minority, please feel free to leave as there are places where you can have your “wish” come true. The majority of us are quite happy here.
  
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- 4truth2all
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 10:02am
  Yo Stinkypants:
  
  Ask the people that starve UNDER communism!
  Ask the people that die UNDER communism!
  Your comment is beyond stupid!
  
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- brother_ed
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 10:14am
  @PANTLOADIAN
  
  I, for one, disagree with the notion of a theocratic government in this country.
  
  I do, however expect the government to enact a few rules that my religion advocates: do not murder, do not steal, do not lie.
  
  You are free, however to disregard honoring your mother or father, you may work on the Sabbath, you may covet your neighbors goods.
  
  I don’t think a government should get in the way of me celebrating my beliefs just because someone may be offended. To live in a free society we must be tolerant of others beliefs; that includes the ability to freely express your beliefs.
  
  As I said, if you don’t want to tithe, pray before meals, attend church, or any other of the myriad other rules my religion requires, you are free to do so.
  
  I don’t understand why people cry “Theocracy!” when a few civil laws share religious tenets, or when someone tries to express their faith.
  
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- indyron
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 12:23pm
  @bro_ed
  You’re an Obama voter, aren’t you…
  
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- brother_ed
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 12:40pm
  @INDYRON
  
  I have no idea why you came to that conclusion.
  
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- RDavis49
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 1:55pm
  @ SpankDaMonkey………………………… God does not hate America. He hates what America is rapidly becoming, a Godless nation of ignorance and rejection of Him. It’s all right there in scripture what God does with a nation of people who go there. Read it for yourself….
  
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- TheArbiter
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 1:57pm
  @ Pantloadian – you are the reason Conservatives on this site love to lump all athiests with the left. Do the rest of us a favor and mosey on over to huffpo.
  
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- shorelineliz
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 2:51pm
  “Religion is a myth that enslaves men’s minds.” LMAO? Nothing enslaves men more than Atheism. When Atheists come to power people DIE in the MILLIONS! These guys should read their own history. Just pick up a book on Communist Russia or the USSR. It was the CHURCH and Christian believers who ended Atheist rule in Eastern Europe. It was a little Polish Priest Named Karol Józef Wojtyła who was born in 1920 in Poland. He was a priest under STalin. In 1939 the Nazis occupied Poland. In 1958 he became the Archbishop of Krakow, POland diocese. Know what he did? Since he lived under Stalin and Khrushchev he knew what had to happen. He supported Lech Walesa in his bid for POlish independence. It was the CATHOLIC CHURCH in POLAND that brought freedom to that area. One by one the dominoes of the USSR FELL. Stupid Atheists! The Gates of HELL shall not prevail against the CHURCH! Stupid Atheists! they try and try and try and FAIL!
  
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- Trance
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 3:42pm
  shorelineliz
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 2:51pm
  
  LMAO? Nothing enslaves men more than Atheism.
  ———
  
  Except in the US when slavery was only allowed against non-Christians. For centuries before that, they just killed them. People were even slaughtered for being protestant. Unless, of course, a protestant was in charge, then they killed the Catholics.
  
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- DIgnified
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 1:30am
  @4truth will people will those that starve under capitalism speak the virtues of the system they starve under? You’re transparent and have hollow arguments.
  
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- 4truth2all
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 10:59am
  Yo Dignified:
  
  My post was about as simple as one can get … sorry that you could not see it standing directly in front of it. I suggest that you learn just a little bit of simple factual history.
  
  The only people that starve in a TRUE capitalist (free) society are those too lazy to work, for it is their efforts that determine this condition not the governments that determine it FOR you. And no, most people will not admit to their own short commings, they will be more then willing to place blame elsewhere.
  You attempt at insults indicate your lacking, and take no root here.
  
  Hope you SEE this… From: Transhollowman … good day
  
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huey6367
Posted on November 27, 2012 at 8:53am
PC run amuck. Everyone has a voice in this country but how is it a group with such a small voice gets gets their way on these issues? I guess if you don’t like what they have to say, don’t listen. But that will not shut them up. They will just talk louder.

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- U4eeeahhh
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 9:20am
  Such a small voice? 1 in 5 Americans have no religious affiliation, 1 in 5 Americans is a Born Again Evangelical. While declared Atheists may only be 5-7% of adults, those that question comprise a larger constituency than the number of Catholics that show up for Mass on an average Sunday. The Era of the Christian is drawing to a close. America is its last stronghold among the Industrialized nations and it is clearly on a course toward a strong secular society based in the rule of rational laws rather than supernatural superstitions as guidance.
  
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- SquidVetOhio
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 9:29am
  ” The Era of the Christian is drawing to a close.”
  
  You might right and woe on you if it’s true. Because when the “era of the Christian” is over, doom and destruction is coming upon your head. And you will run into the mountains and beg them to fall on you and there will be found no place for you to flee.
  
  Careful what you wish for…..
  
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- SquidVetOhio
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 9:36am
  Rational laws base on what? What if my rationality tells me it’s ok to beat you up? Who’s to say I’m wrong? Our laws are based on Biblical principals because there is an Ultimate Authority behind them. When you have laws based on the morality men, you have dictatorships. You live in a free, wealthy, powerful country because of Christians and we don’t even demand you believe the same as us. We are getting tired however of being mocked and blamed for the problems that God-hating liberals like yourself have caused. Go away and thank the God you don’t believe in for the very breathe you blaspheme Him with.
  
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- Pontiaku
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 10:38am
  http://i50.tinypic.com/2q8vlzc.jpg
  
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- Wisdom7
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 3:02pm
  “America is its last stronghold among the Industrialized nations and it is clearly on a course toward a strong secular society based in the rule of rational laws rather than supernatural superstitions as guidance.”
  
  ^Do not murder is irrational? Do not steal is irrational? Do not lie is irrational? Have you even read the Bible?
  
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- Commander8080
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 3:32pm
  When you can answer this, you can answer why homosexuals,, which is only 2% to 3% of the population bring this country to its knees over marriage. This display offense God and those who display it needs to ask for forgiveness and those who believe need to pray for them.
  
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- armyofnibiru
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 7:40pm
  u4.you cannot base how many believe by counting the numbers that show up on any given sunday.thats like telling everybody that you can tell what all americans believe by counting the people who vote on election day.(barely two thirds)many people are discouraged by the infiltration of the left into the churches.that gave us to tollerate homosexuals into the preisthood that gave us the pedophiles,then the liberal belief that it should be covered up.
  
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thibx
Posted on November 27, 2012 at 8:53am
why don’t they move some where in the universe God did not make. sorry there is not one i guess you have to go where God will send you. hell.

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- SixX
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 9:35am
  Sorry, but your hatred is a bit misplaced and misinformed. A fire and brimstone ‘hell’ is simply a man-made concept (ie. mythical), added by the Roman Catholic Church as ‘scare tactics’ to convert Pagans of that era.
  
  There was nothing about ‘hell’ in the original Hebrew bible translation. Nothing. Nada. Zero. Zilch.
  
  There were only words like ‘grave’, or graveyard (ie. the place of the dead), and other words that had no meaning of a ‘fire and brimstone place of eternal torture’. These words were twisted by aristocracy much later in history to imply a fiery hell of torture.
  
  Therefore, no hell = no place to be saved from.
  No place to be saved from = no need for a savior.
  No need for a savior = no more profiteering off the sheeple scams.
  
  Now go pay your 10% like a good little sheep and turn your brain off from questioning it. It’s your duty as a sheep to give them money to continue your brainwashing.
  
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- SquidVetOhio
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 9:43am
  God doesn’t send anyone to hell. They dive in headfirst willingly.
  
  - 2 Peter 3:9
  [God] “is not willing than any should perish. But that all should come to repentance.”
  
  John 3:18-20
  18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
  
  19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
  
  20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
  
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- brother_ed
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 10:04am
  @SIXX
  
  That would be a correct assessment, it it wasn’t for the fact that some religions teach that we are here to learn and to grow and that growth is an eternal progression.
  
  If you fail to learn and grow here, you will likely not continue to learn and grow in the hereafter.
  
  Jesus is the way to Eternal life. By following His example we will become exalted and inherit all that He has.
  
  We are here to “learn” heaven, not to “earn” heaven.
  
  There are rules in God’s Kingdom and we are here to prove we can abide those rules. Since we are not perfect and we fail, Jesus came to pay the price for those who truly try.
  
  If you don’t try, you will not be partaker of the promises He made to us. You may not burn in Hell, but you will not enjoy the full inheritance that you are entitled to.
  
  Christianity is a religion of joy, and happiness. It is not a religion of scare tactics, rather a religion of love and encouragement. When seen in it’s entirety, it explains where we came from and where we are going. It tells us who we are and who we can become.
  
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- goahead.makemyday
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 1:42pm
  SIXX
  What the old testament(the only part written in Hebrew) did mention was Sheol what we call the underworld. Which is thought to hold seven rings or levels each one worse than the one before for the various level of sins people commit. It also mentions Abraham’s Bosom which is considered a place of peace and contentment for those who are to be rewarded after death. Hell is only mentioned in the Greek(New Testament) as a place for the sinners to go. The concept of Hell is not only Christian but also Islamic and has meanings in Several Pagan religions also has a meaning in Tibetan Theism and also Buddhism. But back to the main point, While the Hebrew never says “Hell” it does say Sheol which is the Jewish equivalent.
  
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- scarebear83
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 2:02pm
  @ Sixx- So can you explain what “weeping and gnashing of teeth” exactly means? It’s mentioned a few times in the New Testament.
  
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- EllKay
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 3:58pm
  @SIXX
  
  Try Revelation 19:20 … but that’s skipping right to the end of the Book. Read the whole thing to put it into full context.
  
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- Bearfoot
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 5:39pm
  If I may inject a thought here;
  
  Romans 6:7 says “For he who has died has been acquitted from [his] sin.”
  
  If we die and are acquitted of our sins, that is we have paid for our sins, then what is the point of continual punishment in a hell-fire?
  
  The idea of a hell torment is a false teaching and Romans 6:7 is just one scripture that proves it.
  
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- Amonite
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 1:41pm
  SIXX, you are mostly correct, with one caveat. There is an Old and New Testament. Only the Old Testament is written in Hebrew, the New Testament is in Greek. If you are only looking at the Hebrew old testament, there is no “firey hell” – the only references are to death or the grave (Sheol). There is an important concept, however, of God destroying something by a judgement of “eternal fire” in the old testament – which always means he sends fire upon it until it is utterly consumed, and it’s judgement is pronounced upon it eternally – such as with Edom [rather than the 'fire burning eternally']. There is another fire to consider – a fire in the temple, which was continually stoked and redone by the priests so that it was continually burning. As such, whether a continual or eternal fire means “utter destruction” or “continual fire” is a source of debate within the church – either way though, it’s a bad end.
  
  In the new testament, “Gahenna” is the word for firey hell. It’s greek, not Hebrew, but it is there. (“But anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.” – the word there is Gahenna. It’s used any time hell is used in relation to punishment or final judgement). Other terms for hell in the new testament are Hades (equivalent to OT ‘sheol’ – which basically means the grave or the earth), and Tartarus (netherworld, underworld, under the earth) – those don’t deal with fire.
  
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- Romans828
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 2:18pm
  BEARFOOT — Romans 6 is about being dead to SIN (i.e. repenting and accepting Christ as your Savior), not physically dying. In the very same book, some in the same chapter, are verses that make up The Roman Road to Salvation. Worth a read.
  
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ares338
Posted on November 27, 2012 at 8:52am
Nothing about this offends me. If there is something noteworthy to see then I give it my attention. If not, I don’t look at it. See how easy it is to be NOT OFFENDED! The world is full of perpetually offended individuals. Oh and by the way, just because I wasn’t offended doesn’t mean I like or condone it.

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- DeavonReye
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 9:11am
  True. It only takes one looking at incidents of “road rage”, . . . or the ridiculous actions of people on “black friday”. People are quick to be offended. I think they look for it. I don’t understand it, but it is an unfortunate fact in the world.
  
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- DimmuBorgir
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 9:17am
  Yeah I’m also not offended. If anything I feel sorry for the people who put sooo much energy into trying to make a statement about a fundamental part of our constitution.
  
  No one thinks “the state” is promoting Christianity or really even Christmas. But a hand full of people really really want to make sure everyone knows that. So whatever, if they want to waste their time mocking my religion, that’s fine. At least I won’t be burning in hell.
  
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- brother_ed
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 9:22am
  @ARES338
  
  Well said.
  
  I believe that anyone living in a vibrant, free society must nurture the quality of being rarely offended coupled with the ability to be rarely offensive.
  
  When one one group becomes blatantly abrasive, the attributes of tolerance and forgiveness need to be applied.
  
  This is difficult at times, but is absolutely necessary.
  
  Intelligent people will be able to discern the attacks for what they are – temper tantrums.
  
  Nobody, except the truly ignorant, want to be part of anything that tears down; true joy comes from building things up.
  
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- EllKay
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 4:04pm
  I am not offended either, but rather, I am saddened. The people behind this display are lost and have no assurance about what comes after death. They have no appreciation for the wonders of Creation and the God who did it all. Unlike those of us who hold fast to John 3:16-18, they are spoken of in John 3:19-20
  
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chickenfried
Posted on November 27, 2012 at 8:50am
Atheists. Gotta love ‘em.

Seriously…you have to. Jesus does.

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LadyLibertykicksASS
Posted on November 27, 2012 at 8:48am
Laugh while you can, F.F.R.F.!!! Jesus will deal with you face to face, and I promise you, he won’t be laughing!!!

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SoNick
Posted on November 27, 2012 at 8:48am
apparently, you can’t extend that religious tolerance to others. So your religion makes you special? People who don’t share your partiucular beliefs should be “shut down”? How is that even remotely tolerant?

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- termyt
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 9:20am
  So, are you talking about the FFRF or the posters here? It’s the FFRF that’s attempting to drive Christian thought and ideals from the public square through intimidation. It’s also notable that their “Solstice” display is nothing but a mockery of Christians. If they wanted to put up a true Solstice display, it would be better and represent true First Amendment rights.
  
  Of course, they’d still have to dodge references to Saturn and other pagan gods associated with the solstice. So, on second thought, I guess they have to mock Christians. They have nothing else.
  
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- Cavallo
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 9:28am
  So what did the FFRF do during Ramadan to mock Islam? Anything for Dawali for the Hindus? No? The vast majority of Atheists are not Atheists but anti Christian bigots. Its like calling the KKK a civil rights organization for Caucasians.
  
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- Bohump
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 11:53am
  (sonick) — SPECIAL ? — Why Do YOU want to Shut Down People, .. who do not have YOUR Beilf”s ? .. ( Or Lack of Them )
  
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- TeresaJ
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 12:54pm
  This is my issue. Religious symbols, even if they do cause annoyance to others not of that faith, are never intended to be vile, and certainly never made to mock.
  
  This display is for no other purpose than to mock faith, as stated right in the sign they put up. Displays that are for the purpose of causing public unrest and rioting have never been allowed (such as racist remarks). Just because Christians will not react with a riot, does that mean this sort of thing should be allowed? If Atheists want to put up a display that advocates good will to men, then I think that is surely American and free speech. But I do not think displays like this fall under “does not disturb the good order, peace, or safety of the public.” clauses or equivalents.
  
  But then, I could say that about the actions of some of the officials.
  
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- DIgnified
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 2:16pm
  @cavalo. I’m sure if either of those groups insisted on making gawdy displays in public, the atheists might. But they don’t. No atheist anywhere, ever, had a problem with religious facilities or personal homes displaying religious icons. Some, like me, chose not to patronize the type of establishments that go overboard on Christmas crap a week before thanksgiving. Because I hate Christmas? No. Quite the opposite. I have a love of culture. American, and even Roman. Christmas was originally a festival of the cult of Mithras. It was taken as a christian holiday when Justinian converted to Christianity and used it as a tool to make the Christian faith more palatable to the pagans. It has evolved into our beloved holiday, and devolved into a corporate shill-oday. The christian faith is on display quite enough in the US. Doesn’t need less or more. Definitely not tacky displays in neutral public spaces. Just MO though.
  
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truthsurfer
Posted on November 27, 2012 at 8:48am
Screw the gaytheists. These animals are are losers like the demorat party.

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- justangry
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 9:39am
  You want to screw “gatheists”? Freudian slip? Seriously, dude there are decent conservative atheists out there that are some of your best advocates in teaching conservatism to an increasing secular society.
  
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- Capt_Gregg
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 10:28am
  @JUSTANGRY
  “… there are decent conservative atheists out there that are some of your best advocates in teaching conservatism to an increasing secular society.”
  
  I often disagree with you, but I have to give you this one. My political and religious views are separate entities, and neither has any effect whatsoever on the other. I am an agnostic (not atheist), but I probably have a longer-standing record of political and social conservatism — beginning with volunteer work with the 1956 Eisenhower campaign — than at least 90% of those posting here.
  
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- Zipit
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 11:27am
  Hey Angry! Do you know any of them? Ya know, “decent conservative atheists”.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 11:40am
  @Zipit, You still haven’t provided me with ONE atheist supreme court justice that has decided anything on how the establishment clause is interpreted today from the last I schooled your dumb@$$. Or are we just supposed to just forget about how retarded you actually are. PATHETIC!!
  
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- Zipit
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 12:28pm
  Thanks there Angry! You just made my point!!! You are not a good person! You are not decent! Just angry. Do you actually think I give a crap about your atheism? Or your views on the establishment clause? There was never a point where I was paying any attention to what you were spewing anyhow, let alone the belief that I was being “schooled” by some petty little libertarian atheist turd!!! GROW UP!
  And by the way, pathetic is the word I use to describe you. Try some originality……
  
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- tnman65
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 12:39pm
  Truthsurfer. You summed it up in two sentences. Good Job.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 1:12pm
  But you’re just dodging and attacking. That’s all you do, so all this crap about you being somehow more benevolent than a “turd libertarian atheist” is crap and baseless. Progressive religious altruist POS. Keep telling yourself it’s the atheists that’s f**king this country up instead all you progressives on both sides of the aisle. You’re too stupid to realize your collectivism. Dumbass.
  
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- Zipit
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 2:12pm
  Face it ANGRY! You exist on this site to push people’s buttons. To p i s s people off! And you don’t like it when someone pushes back. You call me “progressive”, fat chance! “Religious” not openly! And, “altruist”. Dude you’d better look up the definition of that one, because it doesn’t fit in with the rest of your rant! I’m just here to push your button:). Ya might wanna get that blood pressure checked!
  
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- justangry
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 3:02pm
  Yeah yeah, vice Nazi… If the social progressive busy bodies get pissed at me because they realize they’re progressives too, I’m fine with that. It isn’t my fault they’re progressive douche bags (fascists) screwing up the country as much as the commies. I think their aggressive militancy and intolerance is screwing up the GOP. They certainly aren’t protecting my rights and cutting back on the spending. AND you’re still unwilling to concede that it was ONLY the Christians and Jewish Justices that were responsible for what is happening now regarding this issue. So yeah, you were schooled as is every other dipsh*t on here that believes the atheists COLLECTIVELY have anything to do with the attack on Christianity no matter how hard you, GB, or the Blaze try to make it fit into your narrative.
  
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- Zipit
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 3:18pm
  Dude! You’ve really lost it now! I’m starting to worry about you! Sit down, chill out, take a pill, have a drink!!!! My God. Oops sorry about that! If there is a vein popping out of your forehead, call the doctor. I’ve got to get back to my turkey soup now!!!
  
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- mikeyyekim
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 3:25pm
  @ZIPIT
  
  I actually know a Right-winged solid conservative atheist… he’s my father-in-law. Why is it hard to believe their is a conservative atheist out there?
  
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- Zipit
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 4:54pm
  Hey there MIKEY! So do I, and it’s not hard to believe at all! I’m sure there are many, and good for them! And I’m not ripping on them a bit for their beliefs, or lack thereof. I’m just yankin JUSTANGRY’s chain, because he’s always,”angry”, and rude, and condescending, and above everyone, and……………..
  
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do_in_it_2
Posted on November 27, 2012 at 8:47am
Looks like a religion to me. They need to take it down on the same bases that they made the Christians remove the nativity. Freedom from all religion. TAKE IT DOWN! It’s not allowed on state property. There religion is to believe in nothing. Therefore they should be using nothing to symbolize there religion.

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- lonwarner2
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 9:17am
  Couldn’t agree more!!
  
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- Capt_Gregg
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 11:44am
  “…the display includes Venus, the Roman goddess of love.”
  
  I see problem, or contradiction, if you will, that nobody seems to have picked up on. If they are atheists, why did they include a religious figure in their display?
  
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NHwinter
Posted on November 27, 2012 at 8:45am
I think its funny that atheists have no real display, they have to mock Christians. If they actually had an authetic display, it would be a large shed with nothing in it.

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bdandsl
Posted on November 27, 2012 at 8:45am
JESUS, the reason for the season. If you do not believe, fine. But do not take it away from me. I have my right, in private and in public, to celebrate the birth of my Savior without being molested.

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Aldo
Posted on November 27, 2012 at 8:44am
When do we take our country back from these whaco’s?

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mapgirl10
Posted on November 27, 2012 at 8:43am
Whether you are hot or cold for God he knows. Luke warm Christians take note. This is how the country will view your faith, if we don’t stand up for what we believe. These people would rather worship a theory instead of saving their souls. Pity!

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NHwinter
Posted on November 27, 2012 at 8:43am
Please do this also to muslims. Christians will not kill you for your horrid display. Come on, do something against the Islam faith. Show us just how courageous you are.

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- Small World
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 9:36am
  Don’ hold your breath these people are cowards.
  
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- TheArbiter
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 2:09pm
  Small World – you truly do live in a small world if you think all atheists are cowards. You do realize atheists have frequent ‘draw muhammad’ days and dress as zombie mohammad for various occasions, yes?
  
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FightingBear
Posted on November 27, 2012 at 8:43am
I am offended….will they care about that? No

In fact,…their purpose is to offend Christians.

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Mapache
Posted on November 27, 2012 at 8:43am
It is true the Church placed Christmas at the time of the Winter Solstice since nobody knew the exact date of the birth of Jesus. It is not such a big deal as the fact he was born is indisputable. It is interesting that those who do no believe in God go to such great lengths to stand up and be heard. What difference does it make to them if other do believe in God? All of us will die and all of us will find out the truth and the fact is, it is not such a long wait. Until then, let’s just leave each other alone to believe what they want.

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- tommy.tommy
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 8:47am
  Jesus was born around the fall.
  
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- Karliner
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 2:02pm
  Jesus was born probably sometime in Autumn, possibly October when the census takers would have had an easier time counting folks since Jews( some of my ancestors) would travel to Jerusalem or nearby for the High Holy days.
  Of course no one knows when Jesus was born but clearly it wasn’t in December. Nevertheless why all the hatred and intolerance? They must really hate the fact that a LIVING God is real for why all the commotion if Jesus was dead and just a man?
  Why all the paganism with atheists? is the Semiramis and Tammuz worship or the Roman equivalents a slanderous slap in the face…ummm rhetorical.
  As much as most atheists I’ve met are great folks and many are more giving and more “Christian” in their ways there’s always the fringe groups that ruin it.
  Why can’t we all get along?
  Looking more like the books of Solzhenitsyn and others are coming full circle.. God help us. Pray for our pagan godless government. it’s all in G!D’s hands, all in his timing.
  
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- Amonite
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 1:26pm
  Let’s celebrate an obvious lie that Christ didn’t command? How will that be pleasing to God? Many early christians had trouble accepting the December 25th date (although in Jerusalem it started as January 6th due to a different solstice holiday, and was later moved to coincide with other areas that kept it on the 25th) precisely *because* it was a copy of the current feasts in the area that they had either formerly celebrated before their conversion or that were still being celebrated by the pagans.
  
  In short – if you were an unbeliever or new christian, and the two major ‘holidays’ (which had nothing to do with any Holidays God once appointed) the church was pushing made Jesus look like “just another sun-god-born-of-a-virgin-who-died-and-rose-again”, how would that “commemorate a larger truth? Wouldn’t that *lessen* the truth of the gospel and cheapen it’s accuracy? After all, if a few lies are ok here and there, if its ok to present Jesus according to pagan mythos in order to commemorate ‘higher symbologies’ – why worship Christ at all? Surely he can’t be different than any other sun god, his symbols can’t be any more real, if all we have to do is ‘rename them’.
  
  That’s the trap of using someone else’s religion (a religion of lies and idolatry) to Worship the God of Truth. Unless His claim of being *The Way, the Truth, and the Life* is true, then Jesus is just a figurehead with some moral lessons.
  
  Jesus *was* born, so worship him in spirit and in tr
  
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jcldwl
Posted on November 27, 2012 at 8:42am
John 3:16 says it all.

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bdandsl
Posted on November 27, 2012 at 8:41am
Why are atheists so afraid of God when they say He doesn’t exsist?

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SquidVetOhio
Posted on November 27, 2012 at 8:40am
Atheists: keeping it classy at Christmas. These guys seem to hit their extra gear of douche bag right after Thanksgiving. Petulant little children.

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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 8:54am
  Petulant little children?
  
  You’re the one who accepts fairy tales and myths as reality.
  
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- 4truth2all
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 9:32am
  And so it must be … the ALL knowing “MODERATIONISBEST” has spoken his great truths of blunder, again playing see-saw by himself.
  
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- DexterMorgan
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 5:01pm
  @Mod ok professor, explain to us in your great wisdom how Earth is the only planet able to sustain life? Kind of hard to believe it just accidentally happened after the Big Bang. Just doesn’t make sense. If evolution is the truth then how come the Pilthdown man was a proven hoax?
  
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- Marine25
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 6:21pm
  @dextermorgan
  Earth is the only planet in our solar system that can support life. That’s junior high chemistry and a little thermodynamics. The possibility and in fact probability that life sustaining planets are orbiting other stars is very real and scientifically plausible. As for Piltdown, we have known that was a hoax for 60 years and it doesn’t make a dent in evolutionary science. I am a lifelong atheist and I could make better arguments for the existence of gods than you just did. They would all be falacious, but your arguments are straight out of elementary school, or home school I imagine.
  
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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 2:26am
  @DEXTERMORGAN
  
  Read a Science book.
  
  How also can you say that the Earth is the only planet that can sustain life?
  
  We are constantly searching other planets for life.
  
  Also on this “one planet” most of the world is either too hot or too cold to live on comfortably and in the future the Sun will blow up and all of the planets in our solar system will be lifeless.
  
  But no, that’s some “God” you have there and some “design.”
  
  Look at the Bible, read it without rose colored glasses and you will see that the idea of a God is man made. I don’t just mean “made by mankind” I mean specifically made by the male sex.
  
  Look at how women are detested in almost every religion.
  
  Eve was the first to eat of the apple.
  Mary had to get pregnant WITHOUT having sex(almost all “Gods” are born from virgins).
  
  These “Gods” from Osiris, to Zeus, to what we have now are clearly inventions by mankind when we were too stupid to think up anything else.
  
  You can’t tell me that if we knew everything about the world that we do now, that people would then start becoming religious.
  
  If Science came before religion, religion would cease to exist.
  
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- woody4_rom828
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 3:33am
  Mod,
  If women were so looked down upon and not to be trusted, which is partly true in the culture of that day, why would the authors of the gospels write that women were the first eyewitnesses of Jesus resurrection? If one were writing a fable to perpetuate a lie, that would the last thing I would state. So the logical and rational conclusion is that the writers were writing about the events as they actually happened.
  
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- Tractorboy
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 8:32am
  @MOD, Your Quote—-
  “You can’t tell me that if we knew everything about the world that we do now, that people would then start becoming religious.
  
  If Science came before religion, religion would cease to exist.”—–
  
  Your non-belief is a belief, Your Pastors and Priests are guys like Al Gore, and such, you think you know so much about the world, but your guys can’t figure out the basics, and they come out with things like the “first law of Physics” which basically states, “matter can not be created or destroyed” then where did it come from?
  
  A couple of other things the great scientist can’t recreate.
  
  Life….they have tried this, mixing all the proteins and enzymes and building blocks, but in the end scientist have to spike the recipe with something like a yeast cell, to get it to go.
  
  Space…….Like to see them try to make space..
  
  Time……..This one, they think they know how to light speed at something to stop time, so what happen at the tail side of the Matter, is that getting older?
  
  The First words in Genisus from the Great “I am”(God) created these things, BTW, don’t get me wrong I love science, I tinker and invent, and in my trade, machining, welding, there is plenty of science and engineering involved but sometimes they get stuff wrong, the older I get the more I believe in God. May God’s Peace be with you.
  
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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 10:26am
  @WOODY4_ROM828
  
  The Bible wasn’t written by eye witnesses. I hope you do realize that. It wasn’t written until many years after the supposed events.
  
  The four gospels aren’t written by their authors, their written by followers of the authors again, years after the events. This is your infallible book?
  
  @Tractor
  
  Why do you look through everything as a “belief” or “non belief.”
  
  You are creating a false paradigm. As I’ve stated on here before, my stance as an Atheist is, “You haven’t provided sufficient evidence for me to accept your premise that a God exists.”
  
  There is no “belief” or “non belief is there.”
  
  Also, you view people in the eyes of “preachers” or “pastors” which is idiotic. They don’t claim to be giving their interpretation of an infallible book. For instance, I think Al Gore is an idiot.
  
  Stop viewing EVERYTHING through the prism of religion. You’re making it too difficult on yourself.
  
  You actually made a good point. Science gets stuff wrong. Which is why it’s more trustworthy, because it’s continually trying to get to the correct answer.
  
  If it’s wrong on something, it will admit it and try to get the right answer.
  
  You as a religious person, DON’T do that. Religion is dogmatic and will reject evidence against their dogma until the evidence is so overwhelming that they have to admit it.
  
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- Tractorboy
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 2:26pm
  @Mod, first off, how you doing on this 28th Nov. 2012 AD? you seemed a little angry the other day, remember friend, we are only here for a speck of time, stay Joyous.
  
  Everything is a belief or non belief, in some way, you may not like your teacher Al Gore, but he still is trying to teach something, isn’t he? So he is a type of Disciple/Pastor just as you’re a evengelical of atheism, BTW there are a lot of pastors for my faith who I think have it all wrong. Also doesn’t bother me if Atheism is a religion.
  
  If I view a lot of things thru the prism of religion, it’s because I try to stay Christ centered in life, I know you detest the bible, but I know when I use the teachings of Jesus, Paul, and James etc., ex/~Romans 20:12~ on how to treat a enemy, or how to treat the poor, the widows and orphans, taming the tongue that stuff works great in everyday life, and brings peace to life, being stubborn and pridefull etc. you know sin stuff, makes life tough. Some call it Karma.
  
  Again, I’m not against Science, I look at the big picture, and science hasn’t scratched the surface of the things I mentioned above, you, I presume think they will figure it out, and all things will be clear, thus no need for faith…..I just don’t think man can, I think God has it the way he wants it.
  
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- woody4_rom828
  Posted on December 1, 2012 at 2:57am
  Mod, I didnt say that the authors were eyewitnesses, just that they were writing the truth as they understood it, not trying to make up a story.
  
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vaman
Posted on November 27, 2012 at 8:39am
Looks good to me. As long as everyone can put up some bogus scene about their beliefs, then the non believers can do the same.

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- NHwinter
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 8:47am
  Yours would be an empty display.
  
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- MsMarylou8
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 8:55am
  Better to believe not knowing , than not believe, and find out you were wrong.
  
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- DeavonReye
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 9:20am
  Unless you gave your life for the wrong deity, . . . and the actual deity holds a grudge.
  
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raderby
Posted on November 27, 2012 at 8:35am
and…….. no wonder Stalin’s daughter settled in WI first. Joe McCarthy was quite correct.

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demsrtraitors
Posted on November 27, 2012 at 8:35am
let me guess the black fake baby is barack?

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- DeavonReye
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 8:50am
  It is a black baby girl.
  
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- Small World
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 9:39am
  Yea it’s gay.
  
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- demsrtraitors
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 3:22pm
  aha details.
  
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tommy.tommy
Posted on November 27, 2012 at 8:34am
Einstien believe in God. Now, I call Darwin…”DUHwin! For the filthy athesits and the nasty homosexuals. lol

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- DeavonReye
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 8:49am
  You have been misinformed about Einstein. Do your own research.
  
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- tommy.tommy
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 9:07am
  I watch the history channel about Einstein. When he die….He told that nurse? Before, he die. He said, yes, I believe in God. If I didn’t have Blaze blocking my comments and messing up my comments? Because they can’t handle the truth about the filthy catholic church and they can’t clean up their filthy church. Because of their b/s dogma crap. They blame me for exposing them as a Christian. What’s the truth…. lol
- Eastinfection
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 9:17am
  “Your question about God is the most difficult in the world. It is not a question I can answer simply with yes or no. I am not an Atheist. I do not know if I can define myself as a Pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds.”
  -Albert Einstein G. S. Viereck’s “Glimpses of the Great”
  
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- DeavonReye
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 9:18am
  You do realize that not everything the History Channel says is actually true history, right? Do your own search for “einstein death bed conversion”.
  
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- tommy.tommy
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 9:41am
  I just watch the history channel about Einstein. Sorry, DUHwin lost that one. Watch the history channel.
  
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- tommy.tommy
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 9:46am
  Also, it tells the truth about pagan holidays and how the fable catholic church adopted them. ha ha
  
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- barber2
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 9:46am
  TOM: in addition to some English lessons, you need anger management and , possibly, medication.
  
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- tommy.tommy
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 9:52am
  Barbar2
  You fables catholics always throws sissies fits at me. Hate the truth, huh?
  
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- Zipit
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 11:33am
  Hey! The deaf, dumb, and blind kid’s back!
  
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- tommy.tommy
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 12:15pm
  It’s dumb, stupid zip, and his blindness pagan catholic church, again. Hey, I don’t listen to dumb catholics, like you. Who trys to blind people with lies.. lol
  
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- barber2
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 12:50pm
  Zip: you got it ! The kid is also very angry and in danger of a melt down.
  
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- barber2
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 12:52pm
  ZIP: I think it’s Needy Tim back for his 4th or 5th ” resurrection ” with a new identity.
  
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- tommy.tommy
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 2:03pm
  Barbar2
  You and DIP go hand by hand. ha ha
  
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- Zipit
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 2:28pm
  B2! Definitely a little warped! Tommy can you hear me! I’m not filthy, nor am a Catholic! And now, for you TomTom, lyrics from the song “Christmas” from the rock opera Tommy!
  And Tommy dosen’t know what day it is.
  He dosen’t know who Jesus was
  Or what praying is.
  How can he be saved
  From the eternal grave?
  
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- tommy.tommy
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 2:47pm
  Tell me, Dip? What religion are you? Sorry, I don’t worship the pagan sun god for Christmas by the pagan catholics. Also, I don’t add pagan holidays to God or Jesus. If you know the truth or you live by the fables ways? Jesus birthyday already pass. 2 Timothy 4:4
  And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
  
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- tommy.tommy
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 3:21pm
  No comment from Dip? I guess, Dip runs in silence. Like a good evil catholic, Dip is. Dip, lives in shame of his church. lol
  
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- Zipit
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 4:41pm
  Sorry Tommy! Had to stir the soup…… Here’s one for ya! Got it off a box of noodles! Behold the eye of The Lord is upon them that fear him, upon them that hope in his mercy. ps. 33:18 Judge not there Tommy!!!!! And try to be a little nicer, would ya?
  
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- tommy.tommy
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 12:25am
  Hey, Dip? I’m not judging. The fables catholics likes runs to Jesus words and tell people not to judge.. Because you fables catholics wants to by pass the truth. It’s that misdirect. I learn by you fables catholics very well. Also, I learn that by my Church in the past, to. The first time. When I talk one of your fables catholics along time ago? They use that misdirect on me. I couldn’t believe it. But it’s true about you fables catholics. I show truth or I find the truth by the Bible. Because, you fables catholics don’t tell the truth from the Bible or make yourselves above God’s laws and the Bible as well.. That misdirect is call “blindness” That’s why, your blindness doesn’t work on me or when you use Jesus words to by pass the truth….ha ha
  
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USPATRIOT101
Posted on November 27, 2012 at 8:33am
Wheres your balls to put muhamed in this “freedom of expression”?

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- SoNick
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 8:51am
  why would they go against their message by including prophets or mythical creatures? Do you just blurt out that phrase whenever you talk about/to atheists?
  
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- Balpit
  Posted on November 27, 2012 at 11:42pm
  “why would they go against their message by including prophets or mythical creatures?”
  
  They certainly fouled up THAT message by adding Venus, the Roman goddess of beauty and love.
  
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