A homeowner in Grand Prairie, Texas shot a knife-wielding home intruder after the suspect shattered a side window to gain entry into the home, KXAS-TV reports.
The homeowner, who has not been identified, was reportedly on the phone with 911 operators when he shot 21-year-old Gilberto Banderas. The shooting occurred at around 2:30 p.m. after the sound of breaking glass prompted the homeowner to get his .40 caliber handgun.
The suspect, Banderas, was shot in the stomach. As it turns out, police discovered he lives just blocks away from the home he attempted to break into. In other words, he apparently tried, and failed, to rob his neighbor.
“I’m still in shock,” neighbor Lena Tinajero told KXAS-TV. “I can’t believe it. You know, you don’t think, you never never think it’s your neighbors — especially if you know them, so I’m still in disbelief.”
The homeowner reportedly held Banderas at gunpoint until officers arrived.
“During the conversation with him, we could hear him yelling, ‘You came at me with a knife,’” Grand Prairie detective Lyle Gensler said. “We responded within about a minute and 30 seconds.”
Banderas was later transported to John Peter Smith Hospital in Fort Worth, Texas.
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androyster
Nov. 28, 2012 at 1:27amHe’s probably going to die anyway. A gut shot with a 40 cal is pretty fatal. With gut shots they end up dying of infection. A friend of mine who is an ER nurse told me this.
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taintso
Nov. 28, 2012 at 2:27amIf you are going to shoot someone in the guts at least use pin busters, make the doctors earn their money.
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IvanK
Nov. 28, 2012 at 8:37amSniff, sniff…. (As I wipe my eyes)… “I’m such a sucker for a happy ending”…
On a serious note though, I hate this for the home owner. I know [most of us] are fierce home owner and self defense advocates but when you look at this from a different angle – Look at this from the home owners view. He had to liv with the repercussions for the rest of his life. It doesn’t matter how tough you are… If you have God in your heart, you CANNOT take a life a live as everything is OK from then on out. I’m a former Armed service member and I’m grateful I never took a life. Just the opposite, I was Coast Guard so I saved and protected lives. Despite holding a CCW permit and actively carrying, I pray to God I never have to use it. I had to pull it ONE TIME in 20 years and I’m thankful I didn’t have to pull the trigger. While I will never hesitate to use it to protect my family, I just wouldn’t like to live with the fact I was forced to take a life.
In a perfect world, I wish those who wished us harm, would seriously realize that people like us will take them out when needed.
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Wolf
Nov. 28, 2012 at 8:39amOne of my cousins was shot in the gut with a twelve gauge and lived a long, productive life afterwards, minus half his intestines. Peritonitus can be fatal if there’s no medical intervention, for sure, but is not a certainty of death.
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searcher619
Nov. 28, 2012 at 8:56am@IVANK
“If you have God in your heart, you CANNOT take a life a live as everything is OK from then on out.”
So you think it’s impossible for someone who believes in your god to NOT feel bad about having to shoot and fatally wound attacker? Sorry but that’s silly.
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Mil-Dot
Nov. 28, 2012 at 9:13amSearcher,
That is not what Ivank said. Please learn to read and comprehend. He stated that he thinks it is impossible for a person to NOT be affected by having to shoot somebody. Your “interpretation” is the silly one. Me personally, if a miscreant comes at me, my family or my dwelling, and I am there, he will be blown away and I will sleep just fine. God does not punish you for protecting yourself.
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Patio_Philosophy
Nov. 28, 2012 at 9:34amRomans 13:4 would help me sleep at night:
“For he is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer.”
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ISRAELISOURFRIEND
Nov. 28, 2012 at 10:03amIVANK:
You provided yet another example that makes Christians look ridiculous. Thanks a lot!
God didn’t intend for us to kill. Let me make sure to our atheist audience listening that though God intended us to be free willed and peaceful that when someone breaks into my home in their right to freewill I will exercise my freewill and they will be good as dead! There will be no remorse from this Godly soul.
If you have cancer on your hand you would gladly cut it off to save your life.
Islam is a cancer in our world and we should also cut it off to save the rest of humanity.
Therefore I am an advocate of governments killing to protect the rest of peaceful societies.
Tolerance for an intolerant religion is insanity.
Having remorse for someone who committed a crime against you is insanity! I’ll forgive them live or die, separate issue. Praying for forgiveness for being prudent, not a fat chance.
God is the better judge than me, but I think the real offender is the one wielding the knife, not the gun!
Kill a man by man’s hands you shall die:
Genesis 9:6
New International Version (NIV)
6 “Whoever sheds human blood,
by humans shall their blood be shed;
for in the image of God
has God made mankind.
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YallComeBack
Nov. 28, 2012 at 10:49amDouble tapping within 1 or 2 seconds should be practiced at the range. In MANY high stress situations, people MISS on the first shot. And besides, double shots in self defense in your own home lead to fewer court cases where the intruder sues.
A guy in your house in the MIDDLE of the night when he KNOWS you’re there is bad news. If all he wanted to do was rob you, he’d wait till you leave in the daytime.
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muffythetuffy
Nov. 28, 2012 at 10:49am40 cal stomach wounds are very painful. Criminals better star to realize that gun sales are breaking all records and people who never had guns now have them.
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Bluebonnet
Nov. 28, 2012 at 11:20amRE: IVANK…………some of you people putting the hammer down on IVANK, go back and read it again. This person has heart and had a wonderful message for all of us. Certainly nothing against the Christian beliefs.
Anyone, anyone who breaks into my house will get this and maybe worse. Sure, I’d feel sorry I had to shoot someone, but on the other hand, they have no business breaking into my house and it’s my duty to protect my household. I’m with you IVANK and it is a happy ending when you protect your household from tyranny.
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Evileye
Nov. 28, 2012 at 11:58am12 Gage double OO buck shot.
Next stop Pearly gates for the perpetrator…..You will probably have to replace some dry wall.
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sonofgalt
Nov. 28, 2012 at 12:14pmpoor gun control once he opened fire he should have emptied all rounds into center on mass sand double tapped the head
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kahieb
Nov. 28, 2012 at 3:06pmI’m with Ivank. Owning and possibly having to use a firearm is an awesome responsibility. To actually have to take a life is frightening, but then having someone in your family violently victimized is frightening. Bottom line: I’d hate to have to do it but you can bet the farm I will.
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Swimming-with-the-Sharks
Nov. 28, 2012 at 3:39pmSeriously guys (all of you warning him to save a few rounds), if the perp had a companion with him what are the chances that the dude is going to stick around as as he hears the thunderous roar of a more superior weapon than a knife ending their night of mischief? If the the only weapon the front man has is a knife do you think the guy in the rear will have anything better? I say no. If the the perp had friends they would have ditched him before he hit the floor.
But still, if the guy had a full clip, then he could have fired 5 bullets and still had 12 left.
I myself would try to avoid killing him. But if I did feel threatened I would not leave him in a state where he could sue me or come after me or my family at a later time. And I would not feel excessive guilt over it.
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KIWL-DA-WABBIT
Nov. 28, 2012 at 4:53pmEVILEYE — You forgot 3 inch magnum 9 vs 15.
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Too_Far_Gone
Nov. 28, 2012 at 6:22pmApparently his aim was a little off but still a happy ending ,,
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LBJDIDIT1963
Nov. 28, 2012 at 7:10pmI do have God in my heart and if it was me, I would have no remorse removing one of Satan’s servants!
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The_Hut_In_Co
Nov. 28, 2012 at 8:15pmScrew the .40 get me my 10mm, forget the .44 it takes CSI way to long to process the scene
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The_Hut_In_Co
Nov. 28, 2012 at 8:25pmBut none the less, Good shootin!
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yougottabekidding
Nov. 28, 2012 at 8:35pmI’ll get the 12 gauge, the either the 45 or 40 are always on me, for just this reason. I would have hated to hear he had a weapon in the house, but could not get to it and died, while waiting for the police to arrive
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SendTheMeteors
Nov. 28, 2012 at 9:10pmCool. Go guns. Meanwhile, on that same day, at least 25 other Americans were shot dead by other Americans, about 100 people killed themselves with a gun and to go along with that all the armed robberies and other gun related crimes.
I’m not against Americans owning guns but let’s face it. For every story like this there are a thousand that tell a story not so pleasant. Generally the bad guys kill each other, or kill innocent people, or otherwise good guys kill themselves or their children either deliberately or accidentally.
That’s why this event in Texas is a “story.” Because it’s unusual, because it’s rare. The bad side of gun deaths is so common, so mundane, it’s not news.
ZaphodsPlanet
Nov. 29, 2012 at 3:21am@HIT BY A METEOR
You are so ill informed it’s not even funny. As is the case with all the liberal trolls like you, you just blurt out a bunch of bullcrap you were fed by some other 2nd amendment hating, America hating moron. Stay unarmed….. and maybe you’ll feel a hell of a lot differently after someone comes smashing down your door in the middle of the night, day or whenever. You have no concept of what you’re talking about. Violent crime is down in all states where CCL (Concealed Carry Lic.) are available. You can blame guns all you want… or you could even blame knives…. but like all liberals you are far too stupid and ignorant to bother noticing who’s holding said weapon. And what about all the people dying in car accidents…. wanna ban cars too? Or the horrible plane accidents.. should we also ban planes? No wait…. you know the cause of all death don’t you? It’s life… so kill babies… you’re probably just fine with that like all racist liberals. If you’re wondering why everything smells like crap it’s because your head is still shoved up your ****.
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SendTheMeteors
Nov. 29, 2012 at 3:48pmZaphodsPlanet, I hope you feel better now that you’ve vented. Were you replying to my post though? I couldn’t tell – it sounded like a a generic rant against an imaginary person who lives only in your mind.
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hpyagl
Nov. 29, 2012 at 8:06pmSENDTHEMETEORS
“For every story like this there are a thousand that tell a story not so pleasant.”
Do you have real data to back this up? It’s funny that people like you can use statements like :for every one story for your side, I can find 1000 for my side”, then when you are called on it, you will say it’s just a tongue in cheek way of making a statement. Classic straw man argument. At a minimum, you are ignorant, but my guess is that you think you are so smart that nobody can figure out how dishonest you are. Well, you’re wrong.
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pavepaws
Nov. 30, 2012 at 3:10pmSilly man, bringing a knife to a gunfight.
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TxSon
Nov. 28, 2012 at 1:19amShot him only once? Unload on his a$$. Someone breaks into my house I won’t stop pulling the trigger until is clicks.
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paperpushermj
Nov. 28, 2012 at 2:00amAh bravado don’t you just love it.
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DOSLYNX
Nov. 28, 2012 at 2:24amShooting people isn’t like being at the firing range. I assume it was a Smith and Wesson, which is powerful enough with one shot in any case.
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katzkiner
Nov. 28, 2012 at 2:40amSave some rounds, he may have friends.
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MDKing
Nov. 28, 2012 at 3:37amSorry, because of the increase cost of ammunition, I will no longer give a warning shot, Thank you for your understanding.
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Grey Eagle
Nov. 28, 2012 at 4:11amYou got that right.
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Mapache
Nov. 28, 2012 at 6:56amTrigger discipline is a beautiful thing. For all you ninnies willing to fire your weapon until empty, you never know at the time of shooting the perp is not accompanied by a friend…not a smart move just to get your rocks off.
FesteAinoriba
Nov. 28, 2012 at 7:32amWe really need better gun control for situations like this.
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jcldwl
Nov. 28, 2012 at 8:11am@ doslynx
You said “I assume it was a Smith and Wesson, which is powerful enough with one shot in any case.”
Just so you know, it is the caliber of the pistol that makes it powerful not the make. A 40 cal. Smith and Wesson is no more powerful than and 40 cal. Glock.
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Shamrock241
Nov. 28, 2012 at 8:26am@paperpushermj A dead crimminal never commits another crime period, thats a far better record than those that go to the (Oh what do you call them oh yeh CORRECTIONAL facilities) How about reading some satistics on repeat offenses before you chime in.
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kenboo1
Nov. 28, 2012 at 9:14amCome on… At least double tap him!!!
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Slipstick
Nov. 28, 2012 at 9:17amDownside of that attitude is that an aggressive prosecutor will say ‘Your first shot was self-defense. Any more is attempted murder.’ You have to be REAL careful how you describe the situation, or YOU end up in the grey-bar Hilton… We live in a mighty PC world where the progressive/libs rule, even in Texas.
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Walkabout
Nov. 28, 2012 at 9:39amUnload on them. I think a district attorney would go after you for excessive force. A jury would have more than a slight chance of convicting & the press attention would definitely be there.
Unload a whole clip on someone & there will be a grand jury looking into it. I can see needing more than 2 or 3 solid hits unless the person is a 200 # male hopped up on some drug. Then you might have to go cyclic. If a large male who is “seeing red” comes after you, I wonder how fast the hydro shock will take to sink in to his mind?
How ever if you shot 2 or 3 times in quick succession (assuming they are all hits), who can gainsay that? A liberal of course. but the second shot is extra insurance that they don’t get back up or take months longer to do so.
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warrior21
Nov. 28, 2012 at 10:00amI can’t understand why …if he was gut shot, he had to be held at gunpoint until officers arrived as the homeowner reported. Makes no sense.
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GENE BLISTER
Nov. 28, 2012 at 10:18amYou shoot to stop the threat. You don’t shoot to kill; you don’t shoot to wound; you don’t shoot to warn; you don’t shoot to frighten. You shoot to stop the threat. The INSTANT the threat is ended you stop shooting. Keep shooting after the threat is neutralized and it’s murder. That’s why practicing a “double tap” or “triple tap” into the center of mass is the preferred plan. But when interrogated or testifying at your trial (and there WILL be a trial) your ONLY motive for discharging your weapon was to stop the threat.
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landman1
Nov. 28, 2012 at 10:28amThis homeowner was very brave indeed to do what they did. I’m am a very large white male who has owned and handled firearms all my life including the glock beside my bed. When I was awakened by an intruder who was already in my house one night I retrieved the loaded glock and waited for what might happen next. All that John Wayne bull shiite goes out the window. I did not pursue him not knowing who it was or how many it might be or what the intentions were. I kept the gun trained on my bedroom door and was prepared to shoot if someone entered but going Kojak on the intruders was not an option even with the gun. They might have guns too. We called the cops from the bedroom and they came and cleared the house room by room with their guns drawn. The crook or crooks went out the back door and jumped the fence. Only stole a couple of video games. Could have been a lot worse. The lesson learned was that bravado takes a backseat to wisdom.
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Mil-Dot
Nov. 28, 2012 at 10:37amI tried to post a reply but got the Blaze censor ax once again. All I said was that some of the comments were immature about shooting until the clip is empty. Like others before me said, you never know how many other punks are lurking around. For the record, 2 to the chest and one to the head if necessary. Then acquire the next target. That is how the pros do it. There Blaze, is that sanitary enough for you?
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Walkabout
Nov. 28, 2012 at 10:46amWhat GENE BLISTER is the correct way to defend yourself & avoid prosecution. It bears repeating.
“You shoot to stop the threat. You don’t shoot to kill; you don’t shoot to wound; you don’t shoot to warn; you don’t shoot to frighten. You shoot to stop the threat. The INSTANT the threat is ended you stop shooting. Keep shooting after the threat is neutralized and it’s murder. That’s why practicing a “double tap” or “triple tap” into the center of mass is the preferred plan. But when interrogated or testifying at your trial (and there WILL be a trial) your ONLY motive for discharging your weapon was to stop the threat.”
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hard.right
Nov. 28, 2012 at 11:28amyou folks need to listen and learn from GENE BLISTER. MIL-DOT, 2 to the chest and 1 to the head, the way the pros do it is how the pros should do it. But in your home as a civilian, you are not a pro, and even if you are, you cannot behave like a pro and stay out of jail in most states. You can practice that 2 head, 1 body crap all you want, take a course where the idiot instructor tells you to do that, put it into practice, then go to jail (in some states) for murder. Go for it. Stop the threat, say that in court, get to live outside of the jail after that. I’m not saying cops, military, pros are special or get special privileges, nor am I happy about what is, but the laws we are stuck with are that way and you best learn that and abide by them until (fat chance) they are changed.
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The Jewish Avenger
Nov. 28, 2012 at 11:29amIf the gun is out, the chances of being shot are pretty good.
Hard to justify if shot in the back, start running.
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The Jewish Avenger
Nov. 28, 2012 at 11:31amNobody ever grabs an extra mag when they grab their gun?
Should be 2nd nature.
You grab the gun, you grab the extra mag.
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Kregneva
Nov. 28, 2012 at 11:39amAnybody know what “gainsay” means? I never heard that word used before.
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Mil-Dot
Nov. 28, 2012 at 11:44amHard Right,
What part of “if necessary” did you not understand? If you shoot a guy in the chest and he keeps coming at you, then you absolutely have the right to shoot them in the head. I was not talking about executing somebody. Let us see you come up with 12 jurors that will convict somebody for defending their family if the bad guy just happens to take one in the skull. Get it now? Do I have to state it another way for you?
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SactoDan
Nov. 28, 2012 at 12:09pmThen what do you if he has an accomplice? Stop the threat, then evaluate.
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Stu D. Baker-Hawk
Nov. 28, 2012 at 12:14pmIVANK, like you I, too, am a Christian, but you are a fool as well. If someone willingly threatens the life of me and mine, I will do everything in my power to ensure they die, and I can rest assured that God Almighty will sort it all out with His perfect justice.
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Walkabout
Nov. 28, 2012 at 12:21pmKregneva
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gainsay
1: to declare to be untrue or invalid
2: contradict, oppose
Kregneva: Member Since: September 15, 2012
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Fred Noonan
Nov. 28, 2012 at 1:05pmDon’t forget the $50,000 to$100,000 legal bill you could owe to defend yourself after you deceided to “John Wayne” a poor young minority wearing a hoodie. Ask George Zimmerman.
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Tom K
Nov. 28, 2012 at 1:42pm@ TXSON : If you expend ALL of your rounds on perp #1, what if he has a partner around the corner and YOU are now out of ammunition ? Go with two to the chest and one to the head – - NEXT.
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GhostOfJefferson
Nov. 28, 2012 at 2:05pmBad idea TX. Do you know if somebody else came in with him? Do what’s necessary to eliminate the threat, but never assume it’s safe to unload. You never know who may be waiting behind him.
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Patriot Rider
Nov. 28, 2012 at 2:33pmI disagree, in my world it’s one shot, one kill. I just hope and pray I never have to practice that.
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mlite9
Nov. 28, 2012 at 3:39pm“Contradiction is merely the automatic gainsay of whatever statement the other person makes!”
“No it isn’t.”
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kahieb
Nov. 28, 2012 at 5:15pmIf you do unload on someone be ready for a trial. Be ready for a trial in any case, but especially if you show over-aggressiveness. My advice to anyone is to have a self defense attorney close at hand and if you don’t have one, join the NRA. Members have access to legal assistance…
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Kinnison
Nov. 28, 2012 at 6:23pmI have always trained “double-tap”, and if you train shooting that way with a handgun, in a tense situation it is instinctive. Unless you are using a 12-gauge shotgun, in which case one round of No.4 Buck is probably enough… And as for post armed break-in-and-defensive-shooting angst, I think the Marine sniper in Afghanistan was right when he told New York network reporter Katie Couric when she interviewed him and asked what he felt when he pulled the trigger, and he shrugged and answered, “Recoil…”
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chips1
Nov. 28, 2012 at 7:22pmDouble tap was practiced when law enforcement used wheel guns. Now they use clips. Most have done away with double tap and gone with multiple shots.(6 or 7). Then drop the clip and reload another one and be ready for anything else that presents a danger. The dropped clip can always be used later. When you fire numerous rounds, your mind doesn’t count how many. You could have only 1 round left for all you know. Reload and keep the loaded magazine in the weapon.
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lowerclassrepublican
Nov. 28, 2012 at 8:38pmYou need to because if you don’t you will be sued, Not you mite You will be sued!
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MIBUGNU2
Nov. 28, 2012 at 9:30pm@warrior21
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 10:00am
I can’t understand why …if he was gut shot, he had to be held at gunpoint until officers arrived as the homeowner reported. Makes no sense.
DRUGS !!!!!! That’s why the Military gave up the .38 and adopted the .45 ACP..
Google the Moro Rebellion….one shot will usually put you down… You don’t
have to be like the NYPD and spray the neighborhood with bullets..
One shot one kill…
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rp454
Nov. 29, 2012 at 12:59pmAnyone who has taken the Texas CCL course knows; 1) NO warning shots. 2) Double tap. 3) Get some newspapers because he’s bleeding all over the carpet.
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Lt_Scrounge
Feb. 28, 2013 at 8:28pmSorry Doslynx but Smith and Wesson is a manufacturer of firearms, it has nothing to do with the effectiveness of that weapon. For that matter NO handgun is a guaranteed one shot stop. In fact, history shows that the vast majority of people shot with a handgun survive. In fact one study done during the Carter administration showed that gun control was futile as if handguns were ever effectively banned, criminals said that they would simply resort to using illegally sawed off shotguns. The researchers concluded that due to the increased lethality of sawed off shotguns and rifles, if only 14% of the criminals opted to go that route, the number of people killed in gun crimes would remain the same. That number is less than half of criminals who responded that they would go that route.Over half of the felons surveyed by the researchers said that they could obtain a weapon illegally within 24 hours of being released. This study was done over 10 years AFTER it became illegal for a felon to own a firearm.
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LIZ_ADAMS
Nov. 28, 2012 at 1:19amThe posts are the best ever… they outshine the headlines.
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TAXEVERYONE
Nov. 28, 2012 at 9:19amWhat great posts.
This is what we get for arming the stupid.
Everyone should have to take a test before you can buy a gun, vote or breed.
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Thighmaster
Nov. 28, 2012 at 8:20pmtaxeveryone, does the words “shall not be infringed” mean anything to you ?
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RaydocX
Nov. 28, 2012 at 1:18amPolice Response time was great… But in 90 seconds a knife could still have been used to kill.
Another win for the 2nd amendment, and while i agree a dead perp would have saved the state money, this saved that man some heartache. I just hope he is not targeted now by friends or family of the wounded criminal or by those who now know he has a gun
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Choctaw25
Nov. 28, 2012 at 7:27amThat sounds like a Democrat response to a situation where the Home Owner had every right and OBLIGATION to kill the criminal DEAD. If anyone is not willing to KILL the burglar/thief/democrat that is breaking into their home to rob and murder the Home Owner and Family, then they should not own a gun, it’s that simple. If you don’t use it, then you should lose it.
Criminals are for killing, not for feeling sorry for. Life is all about choices, if you have chosen to be a burglar/thief/democrat then you have accepted the fact that a Home Owner has the obligation to kill you in the protection of his property, his family and himself.
Stop all this Bleeding Heart crap, go to the range, practice shot control/good tight groupings then when the time comes, SHAZAM justice is served.
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Lee_in_PA
Nov. 28, 2012 at 8:20amWhen moments count the police are minutes away. A very good thing to remember when your house is being broken into.
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jeffile
Nov. 28, 2012 at 5:56pmWhen moments count the police are minutes away. A very good thing to remember when your house is being broken into.
The police are minutes away? Really? My wife and I were walking and a man tried to steal her purse. I called 911 and waited on hold for 15 minutes until I finally hung up the phone. I would consider gun control if the police can guarantee they will respond in the same amount of time to which I could react to an intrusion. Say, 30 seconds. I would also change the law to make it mandatory that a police officer protect you when needed. Remember, a police officer carries a gun for his protection.
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BODYBAG
Nov. 28, 2012 at 1:16amOnly a dip***t brings a knife to a gunfight
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Choctaw25
Nov. 28, 2012 at 7:04amNo But a Barry supporter does.
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Talmid of Yeshua
Nov. 28, 2012 at 1:09amHe should have killed the moron instead of just shooting to wound. Now this foreigner from Mexico will sue, and bring more of his third-world disease carrying family members from Mexico into our once great Nation.
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terrcher
Nov. 28, 2012 at 1:27amHow true! How true!
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proliance
Nov. 28, 2012 at 7:20amI missed the part that says he “shot to wound”, that he is a foreigner or that he has family members living in a different country.
Did we read the same article?
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rhecktor55
Nov. 28, 2012 at 7:58amProliance-Why do you have a patch from the 23rd – Flying Tigers? Were you a member of the 23rd when we were at England AFB? 1980-1984 76th Red A-7 and A-10 Hogs
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proliance
Nov. 28, 2012 at 8:02amrhecktor55, I was in the 74th from 81 to 82. The A-10′s were great to work on but Alexanderia was a hole.
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rhecktor55
Nov. 28, 2012 at 8:07amI knew some guys over there. Deke Miller, Dennis LeBeau, Scott Campbell, Frank Ruggerrio- all were crew chiefs.
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proliance
Nov. 28, 2012 at 8:17amI was a crew chief also. I haven’t heard those names in 30 years.
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rhecktor55
Nov. 28, 2012 at 8:27amDid you know them? I was a BB loader, I still keep in contact with Deke and Dennis. Did you play softball?
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proliance
Nov. 28, 2012 at 8:44amI didn’t play softball, but LeBeau was the crew chief on 80-174 and I was assistant crew chief. He was afraid to fly and I remember the death grip he had on the armrests when we flew up to Cold Lake AF in Canada for Operation Maple Flag.
Our plane (174) was chosen to go to Andrews in Washington for an airshow and he didn’t want to go, so me, with less than a year in the AF, got to fly out there for the weekend and answer a bunch of silly questions from the people there. “What kind of gun is this little one?” “Umm, that’s not a gun, its a pitot tube.”
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proliance
Nov. 28, 2012 at 9:09amYou must have know Jeff Steffenhauer and Tim Bradley. I hung out with them, they were in Weapons in red section also.
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rhecktor55
Nov. 28, 2012 at 9:40amNo names don’t ring a bell. My screen saver is the same patch you have. Cool to hear from you, Dennis just moved to PA a month ago so I saw him recently and he called me last night. He’s only an hour away so we’ll get to visit with our families. If you’re close let me know. Yeah Alexandria was a hole for sure, was back in LA athis year but passed on going up there. I understand they have an A-7 and A-10 on static display that looks really nice.
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neverending
Nov. 28, 2012 at 1:05amWe keep reading stories like this and I would just imagine we are going to hear more and more just like it and I LOVE it – we are at a point where if we don’t protect ourselves then we are @%i& out of luck. AND just watch gun sales continue to rise!!!
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Bluebonnet
Nov. 28, 2012 at 12:18pmGun sales have soared.. Just hope the people getting guns take classes and spend some time at the range. For those complaining about the gut shot, classes teach you to aim for the largest part of the body, personally, I’d aim a bit lower and make the perv talk higher.
Still remember back in the 60′s driving across country, some guy would pass us and slow down. Because there were 3 of us gals talking, I didn’t notice until the 3rd time he moved along side of us.
Told my sis to hand over my gun and I pointed it at him……….wow! did he take off and not slow down again. Man, I love my gun. I only need one shot, when necessary; deer hunting included.
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TPartyXpress
Nov. 28, 2012 at 1:03amGet a gun. From personal experience I can tell you that cops only show up to count the bodies.
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GrayPanther
Nov. 28, 2012 at 9:58amNot really. The cops need to hang a crime on somebody so keep your mouth shut until your lawyer is on the case. Only say to the police,” I want to cooperate officer but I am waiting for my attorney”. Cops can use what ever you say to possibly hang your **** to get some personal recognition. Stay silent.
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osgeek
Nov. 28, 2012 at 10:54amPolice only guarantee to investigate and attempt apprehension AFTER a crime has been committed.
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Mil-Dot
Nov. 28, 2012 at 6:24pmThe Panther, albeit gray, is a wise man. Shoot the goon, call the cops, tell them the guy attacked you and you shot in self defense. Do not discuss distances, where he was standing when shot, where you were standing when you shot him, how many shots you fired or any other details AT ALL. Be polite, even though they may try to intimidate you and scare your family in order to get you “to talk”. Get a good lawyer way in advance and have his number ready. Give it to your wife, she may have to call him for you . Don’t worry about the gun, you can get another. KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT. Panther is right. The cops don’t give a rat’s ass about you. (unless you are a hot female). They are not your friends.
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denkat56
Nov. 28, 2012 at 12:59amBe careful he might come back and sue you.
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Grey Eagle
Nov. 28, 2012 at 4:12amTexas has a castle. No court there will convict the home owner of anything.
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Walkabout
Nov. 28, 2012 at 9:53amGrey Eagle
What if he took 5 minutes to unload a whole clip on the guy after he was down?
I know the police got there in 1 minute 30 seconds, but if the police had taken 6 minutes to get there & the guy had unloaded the rest of the clip slowly after the guy was down, police can do trajectory analysis.
If a person puts say 5 shots into a person, who breaks into their house, I am not going to call that excessive. Shots might take time to register on the criminals mind, he might be ion drugs, large, etc.
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goahead.makemyday
Nov. 29, 2012 at 9:17amWith a large caliber hand gun I’d say if they don’t fall down or don’t stay down I’d say a second shot is required. If you miss and the criminal doesn’t turn to run shoot again just aim lower. A 40 will put a whole slightly smaller than an inch in a person, a 45 about one and a quarter inch, a 50 well one hit is all you need that can tear guts out unless it hits a bone at an oblique angle. A glory happy prosecutor or grand jury will jump on any shots beyond what was needed to stop the intruder and gloss over any weapons the intruder may have had.
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LeadNotFollow
Nov. 28, 2012 at 12:57am.
I love a news story where the good guys win.
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drs1969
Nov. 28, 2012 at 12:46amIf only I lived in TX. This past Saturday, I was awakened at 3:30 am by thieves. They went thru my yard, then to the neighbor’s cars. I went out and fired off a round. They took off down the dead-ender and turned around. I tried to put a bullet into their rear bumper. I could have easily put 5 rounds into the driver’s side windshield, but this ain’t TX. I’d been charged w/ a felony! I told this to the neighbor and the deputy, too. The neihbor said I should have done more. I told him the only thing holding me back was the fear of jail. This is the 3rd time in 6 years, I’ve taken shots toward, but not at thieves, because of bad laws. 2 times they weren’t on my property, and until this year, the law(NC) only allowed shooting them when they were coming into your home. It’s a truly helpless feeling to have a clear shot at them and not being able to do anything.
Now, I know that I need a pump-action shotgun loaded w/ heavy bird or light buck shot so I can disable their car w/o harming or killing anyone.
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Bodacious_Boedi
Nov. 28, 2012 at 1:00amI don’t know what state you live in but if any of them even take a step toward you it’s “you feared for your life!”, firing in self defense as he began to approach you.
I carry with permit here in Missouri and yeah, the Texans have it right. You can shoot someone trying to slip into your car for your CD player.
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Benevolent_Dictator
Nov. 28, 2012 at 2:33amSorry – even in Texas and other states with Castle Doctrine or Stand Your Ground laws, you are only permitted to use deadly force in order to stop the threat. If you are safe inside your home and hear noise outside, you call the police. If someone breaks in, then by all means use force to stop them, but if they run or are rendered incapable of posing further threat, the situation is over. Continuing to use force after that point is a whole different situation, and one in which you are the aggressor and the bad guy is the victim. Threatening others with a firearm, firing warning shots, etc. outside your home even if the others involved are up to no good could easily lead to charges against you. Before anything bad happens, please consult a lawyer and / or take a concealed carry class from a reputable instructor. They are usually very good about explaining when force can and cannot be used.
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Mapache
Nov. 28, 2012 at 7:00amSo you disable their car. Now they get out of the car. What are you going to do? You better rethink your plan sparky.
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Pantloadian
Nov. 28, 2012 at 8:12amDRS1969 . . . You shouldn’t own a gun. You don’t know the law. You’re irresponsible.
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tommytruck
Nov. 28, 2012 at 9:22am@Benevolent_Dictator … Umm, no. Remember the old guy that called 911 and told them that some guys were breaking into the house next door? Old Guy: “I’ve got my weapon and I’m going to go put some holes in’em!” 911 Operator: “Sir, do NOT go outside. Stay inside your home!” Weapon: “BANG! BANG! BANG!” He shot them in the back. Killed them. They tried puting him in jail and the jury threw it out. You were saying… ? Bienvendo a Tejas M-F-’s
- Tommy Truck
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RJJinGadsden
Nov. 28, 2012 at 9:42amDRS1969, I lived in NC for a number of years, but that was a very long time ago. I do suggest you look into the laws there now regarding to firing into a vehicle, occupied or not. To include even aiming at the tires. Unless the vehicle is being used as a deadly weapon against you or somebody else, it is illegal in most states to fire at it.
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Walkabout
Nov. 28, 2012 at 10:51amPantloadian
You are aware that many state supreme courts as well as the U.S. Supreme Court have ruled that the police do not have to show up if you call 911.
You also realize that 911 response times have in many areas been on the order of 30 minutes or more.
Even the liberal bastion NBC ran a story where a couple track down their kidnapped daughter to a pimps house waited over 20 minutes kept waiting & then decided to go after the daughter themselves.
The district attourney charged them.
My guess is that is the society you are willing to settle for because who constantly screech at those opposed to it.
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osgeek
Nov. 28, 2012 at 10:52amBENEVOLENT_DICTATOR
The laws in Texas have changed, I am not sure when you took your class but the castle laws were extended to vehicles and other personal property can also be defended. Concealed carry is allowed in vehicles WITHOUT a permit.
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rp454
Nov. 29, 2012 at 2:51pmBenevolent_Dictator
Here in Texas we have more than the Castle laws. In Texas you are allowed to used deadly force in protection of life or property. So, yes you can legally shot someone for trying to steal the CD player out of your car. Also since the Motorist Protection Act passed you are legally allowed to carry a loaded handgun within reach in your car as long as it is concealed. We are working on a more polite society.
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ChiefGeorge
Nov. 28, 2012 at 12:45amCops come quickly to the scene after the shooting….maybe to see how good the competition is. But when it comes to actually responding before anything has actually happened, well your on your own til they get done with their coffee and doughnut break.
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drs1969
Nov. 28, 2012 at 1:01amYou got that right. Here it’s usually 10 to 15 mins. This last Saturday it took about 5. A new record! That still gave the thieves time to get 1 mile down the road to the next county. The Deputy actually told me that county, which is 3x bigger than this one, didn’t have any deputies on call. That had to be a lie.
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Cadcamtrainer
Nov. 28, 2012 at 5:50amChief, when seconds count, the police is minutes away….LOL
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ArmedAndReallyPissed
Nov. 29, 2012 at 9:55amChiefgeorge : So since this was a TEXAS man who shot this thug it was justified. But the dirty JEW Woman in Israel who shot a thug ( Terrorist ) in her house while she was there alone with her Children, well she should be put to death for her crime right ? We are all still waiting for you to change your Avatar to a correct one, you know, like dressed in Natzi clothing while standing in front of a Commie Flag.
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DIR
Nov. 28, 2012 at 12:44amThat’s got to hurt!
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welovetheUSA
Nov. 28, 2012 at 12:41amThats why nearly every home in Texas near the boarder has iron bars on every door and window….to help protect your home..from the illegals who think its their right to rob American citizens..either through your door or through your taxes they are after your money.
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MrKnowItAll
Nov. 28, 2012 at 12:40amAlways AIM for the inner thigh about 5 inches above the knee. They will Bleed out in 30 seconds. Your Off the Hook for any Crazy Liberal Prosecutors, that ALWAYS claim you Murdered some poor guy who was in your house stealing….. “Your Honor! I was just aiming to disable them”. “I had no Idea there were so many Crucial Arteries where I hit him”.
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Bodacious_Boedi
Nov. 28, 2012 at 1:02amYou don’t really shoot or have never handled a firearm, have you?? Trying that in a “fog of war” situation like a break in….****** lighting…..adrenaline jolting your heart….nerves vibrating like you’ve got a couple AA’s up yer a**.
I practice double tapping to the chest at the range…..and in my rural community I go to the “range” a LOT!!
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Banter
Nov. 28, 2012 at 9:38amMrKnowitall
You might know it all, but not about self defense. You ALWAYS aim for the torso, which is the largest target. By the time you line up a shot as you describe, the bad guy will likely have taken your life.
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M13
Nov. 28, 2012 at 9:10pmMr. Knowitall: “Please hold still while I shoot 5 inches above the knee please”.
Mr. Burglar: ” No”.
Mr. Knowitall: “Ouch!” “Why did you stab me?
Mr. Burglar: “Because you are an idiot”.
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spfoam1
Nov. 28, 2012 at 12:35amIt is best to use a 12 ga shotgun for in home defense. Use small shot, like a #4 or #6. Small shot won’t go all the way through the “target” so they absorb 100% of the energy, which is a real bummer for them. Small shot causes so much damage there is no way to stop all the leaks. You pull the trigger once, and the only one with a story to tell is you. It’s bad enough when you have to shoot someone, but it gets worse when they make up BS stories, get a lawyer, and take you to court afterward.
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Latter-Day-Soldier
Nov. 28, 2012 at 1:58amDouble 00 buck, why mess around?
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BonnieC3
Nov. 28, 2012 at 7:37am00 Buck will go through walls and could hit family in the next room.
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expatinontariocanada
Nov. 28, 2012 at 8:28amHere we go with the “which is best shotgun ammo” debate. Happens almost every time there’s a story like this. Bottom line: get a shotgun and know how to use it. Which type of ammo is chambered matters less. Often times the sound of chambering a round with a pump action shotgun is enough to send the perps a runnin’.
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MaximumBobby
Nov. 28, 2012 at 10:40amNot necessarily.
Try handling a shotgun when using a phone, light, opening a door, grabbing your kids, etc.
Sometimes, a handgun just makes a ton more sense. That’s why my Glock 22 and Insight light are my go-to gear.
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powerofthemind
Nov. 28, 2012 at 12:34amServes that idiot right, don’t gotta love your neighbor but at least respect their property and person. Also snowleopard, why do believe obama wants to take away the second amendment. Like what has he specifically done to lead you to that conclusion. Because of obama you can legally have a firearm in let national parks and amtrak, so if bears charge at you or your family or a terrorist is on a train, you can dispatch the threat. He has barely spoken on gun control besides calling for better background checks. enlighten me
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TurboCat
Nov. 28, 2012 at 3:11amWhy don’t you ask Eric Holder?
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Choctaw25
Nov. 28, 2012 at 7:35amA Moron, is a Moron, is a Moron and you are a Moron.
The buttwipe on many occasions has said he doesn’t believe in the Constituation or any part of it.
God, I can’t believe how much of a Moron, some people are.
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Gary_K
Nov. 28, 2012 at 8:28ampowerofthemind
Read this and you may learn something.
http://townhall.com/columnists/susanbrown/2012/11/21/unholy_trio_gun_control_the_un_and_obama
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usmc1063
Nov. 28, 2012 at 12:29amJust like an idiot to break into a home in Texas of all places with only a knife. This moron is lucky they didn’t zip shut a body bag on him. As for the home owner he did what he had to do.
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Grey Eagle
Nov. 28, 2012 at 4:17amYou got that right. Most people in Texas have some type of home defense. He was an idiot.
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M24
Nov. 29, 2012 at 7:13amIt wouldn’t bother Me Shooting The Bastard ,It Psz Me Off I had to fix the broken window and clean up the Blood. SEMPER FI
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Spyderco
Nov. 28, 2012 at 12:28amI love happy stories like this one. Finally good news gets reported.
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possom
Nov. 28, 2012 at 12:19amI’ve got a dbl barrel coachgun loaded with deerslugs now all I need is a burgler.
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Capt_Gregg
Nov. 28, 2012 at 12:44amMy dbb is a 10 guage black powder with 12 inch barrels. Really nasty at close range! (Since it doesn’t fire “fixed ammunition,” it’s legal.)
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Bobert
Nov. 28, 2012 at 12:14amClearly, this gun owner was not using hollow-point rounds. If I am ever forced to shoot someone to protect myself in my home, I do not want to have to shoot him and then hold him a gun point until the police arrive. A .40 is plenty big enough for a one shot gut kill if using the right home defense ammo. Full metal jackets are great for the range – not so much for home defense when the goal is to eliminate the threat – not wound him and then hope that he doesn’t beat you and take your gun away from you.
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kalli
Nov. 28, 2012 at 12:43amFunny, that this story has come up now as a few days ago, I brought both my revolvers out looking at buying more ammo…everyone’s doing it nowadays. LOL! I’m thinking of buying a gun with a clip. Thanks for the info on the hollow points vs. full metal jackets.
Years ago I worked in a financial institution, and talked with 2 FBI agents. We got to discussing guns which I noted I owned a .357 which was always loaded. I grew up around guns, having 2 brothers, one who is now retired military. They asked, would you shoot to kill? Answer, darn strait! No one is going to live to take my gun away and use it on me. I now live in a state where we have the “make my day” law. Love Dirty Harry for that!
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grimmster
Nov. 28, 2012 at 1:18am@Kalli
If you dont know the difference between a magazine and a clip,dont but a pistol.Matter of fact, dont own a handgun at all……..
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Latter-Day-Soldier
Nov. 28, 2012 at 2:17amBOBERT, a gunshot wound to the abdomen has to be one of the most painful way to be shot, unless the guy is so high (on whatever drug that he’s on) that he cannot feel pain, I don’t see a gut-shot individual putting up much of a fight….running away, maybe…until the adrenaline wears off.
And I take this stance on a first hand account from a law enforcement friend of mine who shot a wigged out perp with a .38 (this happened in the 1980′s); it blew his spleen into six large, bloody pieces along with dragging three feet of his intestines out of his back while the round was exiting the bad-boys body. Guy didn’t feel a thing until the drugs he was on wore off.
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Grey Eagle
Nov. 28, 2012 at 4:15amFlorida concealed weapons classes advise us to use hollow points for home defense. We have a castle law and stand your ground.
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Pickles327
Nov. 28, 2012 at 8:13am@ Kalli it is a magazine,,, not a clip / A clip was a feed in an M1 Garand /
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kalli
Nov. 28, 2012 at 3:06pmGRIM AND PICKLE: you are absolutely correct…have no idea why clip popped up other than having a late night brain freeze. Have a great day! :o)
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ArmedAndNotDangerous
Nov. 28, 2012 at 12:13amThis is a fine case of being Armed and Not Dangerous
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mercenary4freedom
Nov. 28, 2012 at 12:23amAn intruder inside the wire here will not be so lucky as to be hit in the stomach.
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1proud_Texan
Nov. 28, 2012 at 12:12amI assume the guy hasn’t heard the expression you don’t bring a knife to a gunfight.
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GBTVFan_Non_American_Overseas
Nov. 28, 2012 at 12:38amBingo!
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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Nov. 28, 2012 at 12:09amGlad to see someone understood what ‘self-defense’ and the 2nd amendment mean to protect your home and life. This is why Obama wants to take away the firearms as soon as possible, to ensure we are under the control of his thugs.
Second lesson: never bring a knife to an fight when the other person has a gun.
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banjarmon
Nov. 28, 2012 at 12:04amSomeone breaking into my home can expect to have at least 9 holes in him and then 8 more after I load the other mag!!!! Then the police might get here in a couple of days…hungry gators outback!!
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azcowboy1
Nov. 28, 2012 at 6:08amSpent a lot of time around Nacogdoches Tx. Yep a pond full of gators eat everything, clothes, rings, etc.. lol
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Mapache
Nov. 28, 2012 at 6:55amMaybe you need a bigger gun. The reason for a .45 is because shooting twice is silly. Have you seen the price of ammo these days?
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