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CNN’s Piers Morgan Confronts Rick Warren Over Whether People Are Born Gay or ‘Become Gay’: ‘I Think the Jury’s Still Out on That’

Nov. 28, 2012 8:18am Billy Hallowell

Rick Warren Speaks to CNNs Piers Morgan About Gay Marriage

Pastor Rick Warren speaks at The Elton John AIDS Foundation and UNAIDS breakfast at the Russell Senate Office Building on July 24, 2012 in Washington, DC. Credit: Getty Images North America

Evangelical mega-pastor Rick Warren appeared on CNN’s “Piers Morgan Tonight” on Tuesday, where a familiar issue was discussed — homosexuality. The television host wasted no time in asking the Christian preacher whether he believes people are born gay or whether they “become gay.”

“You know what, I think the jury’s still out on that. It wouldn’t — it wouldn’t bother me if there was, quote, ‘a gay gene’ found, because here’s what we know about life,” Warren responded. “I have all kinds of natural feelings in my life and it doesn’t necessarily mean that I should act on every feeling. Sometimes I get angry and I feel like punching a guy in the nose. It doesn’t mean I act on it.”

The pastor wasn’t done there, though. He continued, providing another, more applicable example surrounding why one might choose not to act out on same-sex attraction.

“Sometimes I — as you pointed out, sometimes I feel attracted to women who are not my wife. I don’t act on it,” he proclaimed. “Just because I have a feeling doesn’t make it right. Not everything natural is good for me.”

When Warren said that Arsenic is natural, adding to his previous point that not all elements encountered in life are beneficial to human beings, Morgan interrupted. The host made it clear that, unlike Warren, he isn’t open to the possibility that people simply become gay.

“I just believe fundamentally and passionately that gay people are born gay. I don’t think you become gay,” the host said. “And I think if you were able to convince yourself that they were born gay, you would see it differently.”

Morgan told the pastor that he might change his view about gay marriage if he could bring himself to accept the notion that people are born homosexual and that they do not develop same-sex attraction post birth. Following the host’s comments about the legality and rights associated with gay marriage, Warren clarified his stance on sin.

“I do not believe attraction is a sin, but I do believe that some actions are sin. I’m not responsible for all of my attractions,” he explained. We know, for instance, that some people are born with natural predispositions toward certain things, either good or bad. Every one of us have those.”

Warren also told Morgan that he appreciates the conversation, as the debate surrounding gay marriage is essential. He said that such controversial issues should be undertaken and discussed, while treating all parties involved with “dignity” and “love.”

Watch the exchange, below:

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SquidVetOhio
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:06am
So, is a bisexual born that way?

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- progressiveslayer
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:15am
  Let’s ask Barry.
  
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- The Jewish Avenger
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:24am
  Maybe his mother made him wear a suit jacket and tie with a skirt…
  
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- edcoil
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:59am
  Why does it matter. They are 1-2% of our society. No one is talking about killing them – we simply refuse to accept their lifestyle as “normal” and we should not be forced to.
- Pantloadian
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 10:20am
  REDCOIL . . . Nobody’s talking about killing evangelical Christians either, but that doesn’t mean we have to accept their lifestyle as normal and we shouldn’t be forced to.
  
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- brother_ed
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 11:32am
  @PANTLOADIAN
  
  You don’t have to accept their lifestyle.
  
  Nobody is forcing you to tithe, keep the Sabbath holy, honor your mother or father, pray before meals, not use the Lord’s name in vain, etc.
  
  Just because a civil law has roots in a religion does not mean it should be tossed out.
  
  We believe in not stealing, lying, murdering…should these laws also be considered as forcing you to live a religious lifestyle?
  
  If the Left is so science oriented in their rules, homosexuality would not be allowed.
  
  It is illogical, unnatural, unproductive, and creates a sub-par environment for raising happy, healthy, law abiding citizens.
  
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- freepr008
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 11:43am
  No bisexuals didn’t born that way. They are just very horny people with insecurities.
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 12:09pm
  Ahhh, WANGO?PANTS, a site expert on the subject. Just for you:
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qPnTyrvAv0
  
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- tradarcher
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 12:15pm
  Never seen Rick Warren before, he is great, and makes a good logical point that I have had for a long time.
  
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- zorro
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 12:40pm
  I have to laugh at so called “christian” pastors that always squirm when talking to liberals about homosexuality. They go out of their way to no offend anyone. I guess that’s what “having Jesus in your heart” means. To only listen to scripture when it doesn’t make you uncomfortable.
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 12:53pm
  Rick Warren is no man of God. He is a servant of satan.
  
  The bible clearly states in Romans 1:24
  
  Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
  
  There is no GENE for art
  
  So there is a pedophile gene, how about a bestiality gene? Rick Warren is leading millions straight into hell.
  
  This is clearly a sign of the end times and the apostate church. The resurrection/rapture is at the door so lets be about our father business and be spreading the REAL gospel Romans 10:9-10 and be making AFTER RAPTURE PACKETS http://youtu.be/ahEVxIzlxwo,,, http://youtu.be/tDcTFfXkSFk
- HappyStretchedThin
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 1:11pm
  Warren makes the point as well as I think it can be made: we’re ALL sinners, and we’re ALL called to overcome our sinful nature through Christ.
  But there’s a harder and more necessary argument to make about the nature vs. nurture question here.
  No one realizes that the nature of the choice implied by the Piers Morgans of the world is apples and oranges different from the kind of choice one makes about sexuality.
  For example, I can’t point to a day where it became clear to me that I was choosing to be hetero.
  And yet…thoughts I chose to entertain led to actions, actions I chose to make became habits, habits I made became part of my character, and I ended UP with a hetero character. Of COURSE the same process is true for other sexual-identity choices.
  Some things DO come down to the black and white choice of a moment, but many things DON’T. Sexuality just happens to be one of those things.
  
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- black9897
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 1:22pm
  Why do people on here give Rick such a hard time?
  
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- 4truth2all
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 1:31pm
  Yo Black9897:
  
  Good to see you..
  
  Selfrighteousness ?
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 1:34pm
  BLACK
  
  Because he is not a servant of GOD but rather a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
  
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- SUNTZU
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 1:42pm
  Gay Genes,Button on the left.
  
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- Locked
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 1:48pm
  @Squid
  
  “So, is a bisexual born that way?”
  
  Probably. Personally I think most sexuality is a combination of nature and nurture. I’ve never been attracted to other men, but I know some people who describe themselves as “sex-blind” and are attracted to both sexes. I also know some people who have absolutely no attraction at all to either sex.
  
  I think Warren brings up a good point. Just because we have urges doesn’t mean we have to act on them. Sin requires someone to actively make a choice to do something sinful. A gay person can still remain free from sin by just not acting on their urges; it’s up to them.
  
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- black9897
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 1:48pm
  Hey TRUTH.
  
  People think he comes across like that? He doesn’t seem to.
  
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- 4truth2all
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 2:02pm
  Yo Rapture:
  Interesting you call this man a man of satan because of “false teaching” yet you are spreading false teaching of a rapture in which Gods people get to escape from trouble (suffering).
  
  Last time … scripture clearly states that the calling up of the saints is at the sound of the 7th TRUMP … this means that through the 7 seals, the 6 trumpets the saints are HERE. By the way from whom did you hear this rapture teaching. I myself believed this false teaching due to “hearing” it. I read … I changed …WHY ? Because it is NOT written! In fact the final blow was in reading a book about it from Tim Laye.
  Jesus did NOT excape trouble… in fact scripture says he learned in His suffering
  Jesus, in His prayer in John 17 DOES NOT pray for the saints to escape trouble, quite the opposite. He prays for them to perservere THROUGH it. THIS PRAYER IS GOOD UNTIL HIS RETURN, and was meant to be understood as such.
  Tell those suffering in prison camps in N. Korea there is a rapture that will save them from suffering
  Tell those in Egypt
  Tell those in Iran
  Tell those in the Soviet Union
  Tell those in Cambodia
  Tell those in Vietnam
  Tell those in Nigeria
  Tell those in Somalia
  Tell those in Uzbekistan
  Tell those in China
  The the Voice of the Martyrs magazine
  My God, how many more nations could I list where horrendous atrocities are happening to people just because they believe in Christ. cont.
  
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- 4truth2all
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 2:04pm
  Yo Black9897:
  
  I meant on the part of the posters ..
  
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- THX-1138
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 2:12pm
  Yes.
  
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- 4truth2all
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 2:20pm
  Rapture cont:
  
  These people would look at you with utter disbelief in their eyes that you could say something so ignorant in that it goes against there personal life experiences of seeing family killed because they went to church that morning, or suspected of having a bible, and have to hide when reading it.
  
  I watched your link .. in one aspect I respect your desire to help, on the other not so much. This false teaching is going to in part cause the great falling away. The great test of Job is comming. The enemy is putting the squeeze on christians … you help him more then Christ. Teach people to be like Job and then it will not matter.
  Go to a site called … the Rood Awakening … He has some good teaching on the subject and once taught the falseness of the rapture.
  Final thing least you also understand this incorrectly … the bowls or baskets are the WRATH of God not the seals or the trumpets, and this IS after the saints are called up!
  I have not spoken against you. I speak for your edification … peace
  
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- black9897
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 2:20pm
  @ TRUTH
  
  Oh, my bad man.
  
  @THERAPTURE
  
  How so?
  
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- Clive
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 2:33pm
  dont know, but rick warren is coming off a little gay here.
  
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- Gonzo
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 2:39pm
  Black9897
  Warren jumped on the man made global warming bandwagon a few years ago. I think that’s where it comes from.
  
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- Clive
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 2:46pm
  I’ll tell you what, its issues like this that doom the republican party. you know what i say when people ask me about gay people or gay marriage? “who cares”. really. i don’t care if they want to get married, adopt kids, whatever. don’t. care.
  
  these things are distractions from real issues, and make good people look like idiot bigots.
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 3:09pm
  4TRUTH2ALL
  
  Rev 3:10, 1 Thes 4:13-18, 1 Cor 15:50-55
  
  The 7th trump of Judgement is not the LAST TRUMP and if you had any Hebraic studies you would know this.
  
  Paul wrote Corinthians over 4 decades before the book of Revelation written by John. The Mystery of the seals, bowls and trumps had not been revealed yet. Paul had no knowledge of these things.
  
  You are the typical person that reads the scriptures through a western mindset only and have no Hebraic studies
  
  Read and understand Rev 3:10
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 3:12pm
  Rood awakening is a cult site just like Jim Staley. No wonder you don’t know a single thing what you talk about. You listen to nut jobs like Michal Rood
  
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- zorro
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 3:38pm
  Actually Clive, I believe it’s attitudes like yours that are destroying the Republican party. While I agree with you these social issues are only distractions, the solution is to face them head on and correctly answer questions instead of sounding, as you put it, like idiots.
  
  Social issues are important. And if Republicans get away from them as they did in 2008 and 2012, they will continue to lose.
  
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- Girard1974
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 4:35pm
  @PANTLOADIAN
  
  Please post an instance where you’re being forced to “accept their (Christian) lifestyle as normal and we shouldn’t be forced to.”
  
  Just as liberals/progressives have every right to further their wants and desires through the political system, why should Christians be denied that same right? Yes, we believe that abortion is abhorrent and Roe v. Wade should be reversed. We believe that marriage should be between one man and one woman. No one in my orbit has ever suggested that there be legislation on “love.” People should be able to do what they choose so long as they don’t trample on the rights of someone else.
  
  There’s a suit pending filed by two lesbians who are demanding that a farm somewhere that permits marriages on its property to force them to marry them on that property. THIS is what we fear. That soon churches will be forced to perform same-sex marriages. Do you think churches should be forced to perform same-sex ceremonies?
  
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- hereandnow
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 4:56pm
  Wow.., what if we asked if a pro-abortionist (i.e. pro choicer) was… “born” that way?
  
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- 4truth2all
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 7:01pm
  Yo Rapture:
  
  You have no idea whom or what I have studied … this responce would speak to your own pride.
  Second it is the “western” mindset that the rapture will take us out of here avoiding the troubles. You seem to have completely ignored those that have suffered and died by the millions. Third I DID NOT SAY that there was not a calling up at all. I know the verses you gave me … they speak NOTHING as to time frame .. JUST THE EVENT.
  Please fill me in as to the 8th trumpet …
  Like I said we will not be here for the bowls Rev 3:10 the wrath of God and it speaks of AN hour.
  I read my bible with the Holy Spirit as my guide and teacher and as to what I listen to, the same.
  I just hope you are prepaired to be here and lose it all, as I should be if not … Good day
  By the way … God wrote the scriptures, not Paul nor John and it ALL fits together.
  
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- louie louie
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 8:55pm
  “So, is a bisexual born that way?”
  —
  That will be the next question if the court decides gays have a constitutional right to marry someone of the same sex. Bisexuals will then demand the constitutional right to marry one of each.
  
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- Amos37
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 11:31pm
  None go to heaven but He who came from Heaven. And He is bringing it back here when He returns with His angels (not His saints).
  
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- Westerner51
  Posted on November 29, 2012 at 2:23am
  Good one slayer!
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on November 29, 2012 at 11:21am
  4TRUTH2ALL
  
  Ok let me say it like this. If one has Hebraic studies then one knows that the Hebraic term used on Christ applies to an ancient Hebraic harvest custom
  
  That term is ‘FIRST FRUIT’
  
  The first fruits are marked out by the farmer because they are early ripening. He then harvests the 1st fruits and takes them to the high priest and the high priest makes a wave offering before God with the first fruits
  
  That is stage one of the resurrection/rapture and it is complete.
  
  The next stage is the general harvest. That is about to take place.
  
  Last is the four corners gleanings
  
  One harvest, three stages, at three separate times. Even though Christ was resurrected 2000 years ago, He is the FIRST FRUIT of the resurrection/rapture.
  
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- 4truth2all
  Posted on November 29, 2012 at 1:31pm
  Yo Rapture:
  
  Thanks for the get back, However you did not speak to the ( everybody gives them ) verses they use to attempt to defend the pre -trib rapture. Fact is you cannot as they speak to the event, not the timing.
  You also did not address the additional trumpets that you indicated existed.
  Concering the understanding of the Old Testiment and the offerings and feasts and so forth … like I said the Holy Spirit has lead me to these understrandings through various means.
  I will double check your statements, if in the future you are willing to talk with instead of at I will be more then happy to engage …brother?
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on November 29, 2012 at 2:21pm
  4TRUTH2ALL
  
  Rev 3:10 KJV
  
  Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth
  
  Go to ‘Bible Suite’ and look up Rev 3:10 in the Greek and you will see that the word FROM is EK which means OUT OF. If we were going through the tribulation we would see DIA in the Greek which means THROUGH
  
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- 4truth2all
  Posted on November 29, 2012 at 2:22pm
  Yo Rapture:
  
  Did/doing some checking … do you understand this rapture to be JUST the overcomers and not the entire “church” and does Jesus appear in the clouds at His return at this point?
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on November 29, 2012 at 4:22pm
  1 Peter 4:17 Judgment begins with the house of God
  For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
  
  If the judgement starts with the family of God that means it is pre trib
  
  Also, this is the judgement spoken of
  
  1 Cor 3:12-15
  Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is. 14If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
  
  2 Cor 5:10
  For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
  
  This is the beginning of the house of God being judged but it is not for salvation but of works/rewards/loss of rewards
  
  the 7 year tribulation is for the salvation of the Jewish nation it is not for the church. All believers will be taken, some to great rewards, other that lose everything except for salvation.
  
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- 4truth2all
  Posted on November 29, 2012 at 5:52pm
  Yo Rapture:
  
  I understand the judging … thanks
  Do you believe that Christ returns/appears at this rapture of the church.
  How do you come to the conclusion that the 7 years is only for the Jews.
  This thread is about to go off the main page I will follow it after it does.
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on November 29, 2012 at 6:16pm
  4TRUTH2ALL
  
  Christ Himself will appear and take His church into the air. He will not physically touch the earth like at His 2nd coming. 1 Thes 4:13-18, 1 Cor 15:50-55
  
  If we, as the house of God are judged first and it is before Christ then we cannot be here on this earth for that judgment.
  
  The 7 year tribulation is called ‘Daniels 70th week & The time of Jacobs trouble’ Daniel 9:27
  
  This link is my youtube video and once you click on it you can leave comments and I can send you some very in depth biblical teachings http://youtu.be/ahEVxIzlxwo
  
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gsplgtr
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:00am
As someone who was targeted by a gay teacher and “his lovers” I can tell you that, from my experience, they look for the outcasts, the different and the naive. One particular person in that group knew girls of low reputation. Gee, go figure. He sent them to me to see if I was going to have sex with any of them. I wound up refusing them all. When that occurred, that is when he “made his move”. Needless to say he was quite surprised to find out that I was quite STRAIGHT. When he copped to what his motives were, I told him I am a born again Christian and I don’t have sex with any girl period. Sorry to burst any bubbles here but people are seduced into that or any lifestyle that is against God’s order. Illicit sex, whether hetero or ****, is still sin in the eyes of God. The Bible teaches ….the wages of sin is death, spiritual death, which means separation from God. So God did not create a “sub-species” of humans born to be “gay”. Because if He did that, He would have created a people group that could never be saved, which is against God’s very nature. John 3:16 For god so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son that WHOSOEVER believes on Him will have everlasting life.
So to the mega-pastor I say to you….your jusry may be out but God in His word has already made the decision. You just need the spine to stand up to people like Peirs Morgan and speak the truth in AGAPE love. Anything less is compromise with the world.

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- onesmartcookie
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 10:55am
  I was the only hetero female in a marketing department for a majot insurance company. All of the other women were lesbians. The men were treated very poorly by them and mocked by management. It was a very difficult position to be in. I constantly felt like they were trying to recruit me to flip to their side. It was uncomfortable and unnatural and certainly not based on mutual respect and love for our fellow co-workers.
  
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- kalli
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 12:03pm
  GSP–you’ve made some very good points given us in the Bible on which I agree. Stay strong in your beliefs as posters like Atheist-Infidel (who failed spelling, uses foul language and knows homosexual animal behavior) are running rampant in the world doing the great deceiver’s will trying to dispirit the believers. Pray the Lord have mercy on their souls.
  
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- DeniseR55
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 1:45pm
  Straight to the point, it’s about spiritual health, not human sin. We can pick either one, but the wrong choices wear us down, until we don’t care, r at least don’t hear anymore. Suddenly we are separate from our Creator, and to me that is a death. It leaves a big hole in the center of me, that the winds blows through. God calls us to build a strong spiritual character that is as close to sinless as we can become as human’s, but sadly because we are human we will always fall far short of his perfection. All sin is the same, it is separation from a loving God, but he offers us his Grace.
  
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- PurrPurr
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 4:20pm
  Very well put. And we know that God wishes none of his children to be lost. Being “a good person” is not enough to gain heaven as Jesus said that “Not all who utter Lord, Lord will enter the kingdom”. I know some very upstanding, moral, hardworking and honest atheists. Can they expect to go to heaven? No, because God and his ways are foreign to them. Jesus was born, suffered, died and rose from the dead to raise us ABOVE our base human nature, to give us an opportunity to turn to Him and plead for his grace so that we could have a supernatural end. It’s too bad that Warren didn’t use the example of sociopaths who are considered to be “born that way”, or children who murder at a young age whose foundation to do so is unknown. God’s law = natural law. I cannot think of many actions more unnatural than homosexuality.
  
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- Alessandre
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 8:23pm
  @DeniseR55′ there are certain sins that cry out to the Lord for vengeance & homosexual activity is one. “Then the Lord said, ‘Because the outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is great and their sin is very grave, I will go down to see whether they have done altogether according to the outcry which has come to me.’” (Gn 18:20-21) So saying, “it’s about spiritual health, not human sin” is scandalous because it leads people astray. Four sins really are worse than others: willful murder (“the blood of Abel” Gn 4); the sin of Sodom/homosexual activity, (Gn 18 & 19); oppression of the poor, widows & orphans (see Ex 22, Isaiah & other prophets); & withholding the pay of a laborer (Dt 24 & Jas 5). Yes, we will sin & need forgiveness many times. But, not every sin will totally separate us from God unless we repent. Homosexual activity will.
  
  Rick Warren’s teaching omits the sins that cry out to God. From what I know of him, he wants to be nice. Nice is foolish. (That’s what the word nice means, ne = not + scire = to know: not to know; ignorant; foolish.) His teaching is foolish because by it, he’s leading people to hell. A gay gene may or may not be found. It makes no difference. As a pastor, his job is to teach the truth as revealed by God & that includes those parts of Scripture that tell us homosexual activity is a deadly sin (see Exodus, Romans, etc.). Jesus spoke about those who scandalize others; the results weren’t pleasant for them either.
  
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cdb
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:00am
Your lifestyle is what you choose it to be. If you decide you want to live the life of a homosexual, then you have decided how you are going to live your life. Decisions have consequences in life. By deciding to live a homosexual lifestyle, you forgo certain things you would have been able to do living a normal lifestyle. You think that these things are being denied you because people are as you say homophobic? No, you chose to life your life the way you want to, so take the consequences that go with that choice.

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- God_Is_Not
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 1:55pm
  I agree. It’s like being a Christian in Iran. Obviously the Christians there are choosing not to be ‘normal’ and deserve any persecution directed at them. If people would learn to simply conform and mimic the majority then we would all be better off.
  
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- usedCZARsalesman
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 3:33pm
  actually, G*d_is_not, those Christians in Iran knew the persecution they would face and decided that being a child of God was more important. So in that sense, is h0m0s want to be h0m0s then they should be prepared for what they will face. That being said, your comment about conforming is idiotic. A small % of people attempt suicide. Is it “forcing people to conform” to try and convince people NOT to try and kill themselves? Homosexuality comes with a TON of very negative side effects. High depression, suicide, IV drug use rates. SEVENTEEN TIMES more likely to sexually abuse children. They account for over 70% of ALL new HIV cases and have 5 times the STD rates as heteros. Average life expectancy is lowered by TWENTY YEARS for gay men.
  
  Why would you NOT teach young people the dangers of this lifestyle and do everything you could to keep them from it? Do you hate children?
  
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- starman70
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 4:05pm
  As far as there being a “Gay ” gene, I seriously doubt that such exists.
  
  The real reasons that some people become gay are a combination of factors so complicated that no one can figure them out. Some children display odd behavior and dress preferences from an early age. Why? Who knows. What trauma or influences occured in utero? What factors during childhood influenced the choice? Who might have misguided a child into the gay lifestyle? Why, when exposed to the same events and influences, do some become gay while others don’t? The questions are so profound and varied that nobody will ever be able to answer them. No Psychiartrist will ever be able to understand all the quirks of the human mind.
  
  Oh, and by the way, about 20 or 30myears ago, someone ran an experiment using a number of male rats in a cramped and confined space over a period of time. After several months, some, not all, but some of the rats began to show homosexual behavior. WHY? What was the trigger?
  
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- God_Is_Not
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 4:29pm
  I know! They’re also 18% more likely to die in a car accident! We should compare Paul Cameron notes.
  
  You can throw around worthless, debunked stats all you want. Just don’t expect people to take you seriously.
  
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- usedCZARsalesman
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 6:06pm
  debunked stats? seriously? Ok, I’m your huckleberry…please show anything I just said to be false. The only thing that is even QUESTIONABLE (as far as you anti Cameron remark) is the 20 year lower life expectancy. True, some studies show what appears to be more like an 8 year lowering, but considering that is still DOUBLE the toll smoking takes on your life, I would still say that we should be teaching the DANGERS and not acting like this is perfectly safe and normal.
  
  I’ll be waiting for some proof of my claims being false, and I hope it won’t just be some crap about Cameron and not about the data…I already know all about that. I will gladly give you a few dozen sources speaking to the dangers, but we both know you will just dismiss them as bigotted or false
  
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- acidovorax
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 6:27pm
  USEDCAR, the life expectancy argument is a red herring, as Christians rarely argue that we should ban other lifestyles that have known detriments to health. So long as one is not depriving others of life, liberty or property, they should be free to act accordingly. You don’t have to agree with their decisions, but you have no right to deny them their choice.
  
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- usedCZARsalesman
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 7:47pm
  ACID…and yours is a straw man. I don’t want to “ban” gays and never heard ANYONE advocate that. I just want you deviants to stop force feeding its acceptance to impressionable kids like public schools do daily
  
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Laymen
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 8:57am
The bible says that even Jesus who was every bit God and man when he walked this earth dealt with temptation, but sin not. Rick needs to stay off these shows, he is so weak as one who is suppose to be an ambassador of God. Point, he let Peirs get away with that “hide behind” comment. Neither one of them acknowledge that God is the one who is calling the shot. Gay gene, no Gay gene is a Strawaman, God made it clear that homosexually is a sin, for Rick he should proclaim it and end of story. Instead he gets up there and starts parsing the Truth, that’s what lawyers do, not bible believing, Holy Spirit convicted men of God! Truth is there is no such thing as Gay people, it is people who are gay; or to be more exact people who engage in homosexuality, a deviant nature. The question isn’t weather or not there is a gay gene, but rather is there a gene that enhances deviancy; answer is yes. Is there a bi-sexual gene, is there a pedophile gene, is there a fornication gene, is there a bestiality gene; see where stuff like this leads. All of those deviant sexual attractions can be sum up as sin and the bible makes if clear that man has a sin nature; Rick are you listening?

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- onesmartcookie
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 10:52am
  Excellent, excellent, excellent post. Well said. Thanks!
  
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- TRUMPETCALL
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 11:13am
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  Double Ditto.
  
  You really said it all.
  
  Too bad Rick probably doesn’t even know he’s so weak.
  
  Terrible commentary on the Evangelical “movement” that is refusing (denying) to teach xactly what the Bible says.
  
  “The jury is out on that.”
  
  Silly Rick, heretical teaching?
  
  You’re soaking in it!!
  
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- neverending
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 11:35am
  @Laymen – “Ambassador for God” – I think not – he is an ambassador for himself – plain and simple,
  
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- 4truth2all
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 11:38am
  Yo Layman:
  
  I agree also … I have listened to Rick before and he is much better spoken then this. I believe that, and he himself alluded to it, these guys attempt to come across as “civil” and able to “discuss” the matter like buddies ( my word). In doing this they lose the power of the Holy Spirit and the authority that comes from Him. They speak their own words instead of doing what scripture tells us to do … ” to not worry about what to say for the Holy Spirit will give the words to you.” There is no place for being rude or self-righteously arogant. Stephan did this to his own demise. THAT’S POWER!
  
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- Errant Yat
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 12:01pm
  Laymen, you are so right. All the “alternative lifestyles” are just the result of people submitting themselves to Satan’s attempts to debase mankind because man is God’s greatest creation – the one He was willing to die for.
  
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- freepr008
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 12:21pm
  If you’re talking about what constitute a sin, well I have to tell you that Jesus said that even our thoughts, what we secretly wish (another man’s woman, violence, adultery etc) are sin. Now if sin, no matter what made it a sin is still that (a sin) we are all in the same boat. We need to recognise that Jesus die for any one who can understand that without Him, we are nothing. This pastor contradict himself saying that there’s a difference between thinking in something and doing it. In Jesus eyes is the same. Jesus also said that He only have the authority to judge, but He not came to this world to judge us but to gave us live. Christian people, stop taking roles that were not given to us. We are sinners. Not better nor worse, we are equally sinners. Don’t act like self righteous holy people. Yes every one of us is going to be judged, but if you don’t practice mercy don’t expect the same.
  
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- memyselfandi
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 12:41pm
  The “gay” gene…
  
  When Adam sinned, apparently something happened to the genetic structure of mankind that would give us a propensity to sin and cause us to eventually die.
  
  The Bible also tells us that sins can be passed from one generation to the next…how is that possible???…What is it that parents pass from one generation to the next???…Genetic information.
  
  It doesn’t surprise me at all that there may be a “gay” gene. If we fully understood genetic code we may also be able to identify a “thief” gene or a “liar” gene. One geneticist already thinks he has found a God gene.
  
  The bottom line is this…if you choose to subscribe to the Christian faith; homosexual behavior is completely off the table. The unbelieving world is throwing everything they can at Christians in an effort to try to get us to cave on this issue…
  
  Don’t fall for it.
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 12:58pm
  MEME
  
  So you are suggesting there can be an gene for pedophilia, bestiality, polygamy? How about ART or liking the color red?
  
  UTTER IGNORANCE
  
  To say that their is a gene for homosexuality is saying God created that person gay. The bible is very clear about what God says about homosexuality
  
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- Granny58
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 1:29pm
  Perfect. Nothing more to add. Thanks.
  
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- Gup20
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 2:08pm
  I agree Layman… whether or not someone is “born gay” is irrelevant. We are all born with a sin nature and a proclivity to commit sin regardless of which particular sin it is. It isn’t a sin to be tempted, but only to give in to the temptation.
  
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- Tracker3
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 2:48pm
  Excellent reply. It is all about choices. We know what God says. He said it in both the Old and New Testament. As you said Jesus was tempted many times, but he didn’t fall prey to the temptation. If you’re gay, it’s because you made a choice. No one is going to hate them for it — it is their CHOICE, but please don’t yell about tolerance, gay genes and the rest of the excuses gays manage to make for their lifestyles. And, why do they even make excuses? Just be gay and go on about your business and let the rest of the world made their choices.
  
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- John720
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 8:11pm
  He directly called it a sin, but did so with a clear loving explanation and said he didn’t know where these urges came from. Urges are not sin; acting on improper ones is. Do you some how think homosexuality is a special sin different than many forms of heterosexual sin? It’s not. The problem is people trying to say its not a sin. They’ve tried to do it with living together with someone you’re not married too. It’s still a sin too.
  
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- memyselfandi
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 8:23pm
  @the rapture…
  
  If you are responding to me…I don’t believe it is ignorance at all…
  
  Perhaps you don’t understand what I am saying…I am not saying that God created anyone with a “gay” gene or with any other “un-natural” genetic disposition. What I am saying is this… could it be possible that sinful behavior leaves an imprint on us in a negative way genetically and that it may be possible that we pass those traits on to our descendants. I have an adopted child since he was 3 months old and at 18 years of age he met his biological father and it turns out that he is exactly like him behaviorally in every way. How is that possible? Did you know that if you have used drugs an eye doctor can see the physical results during an eye examination or that your hair follicles tell a similar story concerning the history of your drug usage. What if sin in general somehow leaves a mark on us genetically and we are then in turn able to pass those propensities (sins) on to our children just like the Bible says.
  
  The Bible tells us that mankind was created by God in a state of perfection and in that condition we should have never experienced death by natural causes, but when sin entered into man it has brought with it sickness, diseases, and a host of other destructive repercussions, many of which can be identified in the genetic code. But again…this is not anything that God gave us or created us with…it is the result of our own choices and just maybe they manifes
  
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sondoggie
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 8:56am
Education in government schools, is education in heathernism and immorality. Thinking themselves to be wise, they became fools. God said, and He should know!

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JohnJoseph
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 8:52am
Rick Warren has used so many different Bible perversions that he doesn’t know (or can’t handle) the truth. What does he even mean that the “jury is still out” – is he saying that “sodomites” (that is what God calls them) are on trial? Who is the judge to make the final decision on whether they are born that way? No, let God be true and every man a liar (Rick Warren and myself). The Bible says that “sodomy” is an abomination before God. Rick Warren says that he is not responsible for his attraction to other women. Wrong again Rick – Jesus says (paraphrase) – “do not commit adultery” but I say “those that lust” have committed the same sin. The issue is not the “act” nor the “attraction” – both are “sins” and both need to be confessed. The reason true Christians speak out against Rick Warren is because they hold him as “head spokesman” for Christianity. We are told to warn of such that “pervert the gospel of Jesus Christ”.

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- SquidVetOhio
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:00am
  Right on. Couldn’t have stated it better.
  
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- crazyrightwingmom
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:25am
  The jury is still out on when the attractions begin. It is now believed they are a combination of nature and nurture. No one asks for the feelings, but many things result in how a person acts on them. Having lots of “gays” around and being told to have same sex relations does not help a young person figure it all out. Love from others and good friends will help a person deal with it.
  
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- 4truth2all
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:48am
  I actually like Rick Warren and believe that he often gets a bad rap from those whom have not really taken the time to actually listen to him. However, he is a little weak in his responce here. We are ALL born sinful … we are told to overcome .. to kill the sin that hinders … to bring EVERY thought captive.
  
  Being born this way or that way is not the issue … how one dies is what is important.
  
  There is a homosexual agenda that is powerful and world wide and does as Mr. Morgan did here, and that is to make the Pastor look like the less compassionate. He did this by saying … ” if only you could see that they are born that way.” In other words … come on Rick, get with the program, you are so limited in your thinking.
  
  In the days comming those who are “straight” will be looked apon as those BORN with some genes missing and therefore lacking true humanity.
  
  God says … it’s a sin … stop or die, there is no place in my kingdom for YOU! I will take no pleasure in the death of the wicked none the less !!!
  
  Yo Piers…. your passion is deadly … IF ONLY YOU WOULD SEE THAT !!!
  
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- closetotheedge
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 5:28pm
  Yes indeed. When the 6th Trumpet blows, it’s well after the Rapture of the Bride of Jesus,for what ma n would allow his bride to suffer what’s about to come on this Earth,And has and is getting worse everyday just as was spoken by the prophets and thru the gospel. The sound of the Thump / the call of Jesus for all who are His to join in the wedding of the Lamb of the Father to His beloved Bride.From the beginning God spoke what would be and it’s happening just as He said.That people would be led by Warrens olsteens,obamas, the last saying he was a christian w/ J Wright,but since then his actions,words treason,muslum, jihadist,what ever he needs to be at the moment. It won’t be 4 yrs’.. And the Rapture,at the perfect time.Are you ready? Seek Him while he still may be found and you will find Him.cuz He’s waiting for you,if it was only you,He would still have died and gave His all for you. Choose wisely,and soon. The one lost sheep that He left to go find and he brought me back rejoicing in me.Is that not love .Time is here………………………..
  
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archeng59
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 8:49am
People become gay. Creating laws validating homosexuality won’t change that.

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- ashestoashes
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:19am
  I once saw a woman leave her little boy with a gay man couple..one of which had full blown aids..I met one woman who thought her 9 yr old boy might be gay and she was giddy because she wanted a “best friend”..I also know of preacher whose son turned gay..most likely out of rebellion to his parents..although he still considered himself a Christian..Someone told me once that they went to a psychiatrist to see if he was gay..and the shrink asked him..who do you dream about..men or women..he said “women” The shrink said..okay..you are not gay..huh?? If you have a dream about a same sex encounter..that does not make one gay!! That only means that the tempter..Lucifer is messing with you.. If you know scripture and you know..love..fear.and trust God..you believe him..
  1Cor.6:9-10 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor [a]effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. (6:11) And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. Romans 1:28 And because they thought it was worthless to acknowledge God, God allowed their own immoral minds to control them. So they do these indecent things .Lev 20:13..it’s an abomination to God..
  
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- brother_ed
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 10:06am
  @ASHESTOASHES
  
  Pretty cut & dry to most, however…
  
  My daughter did a paper in college supporting homosexual unions (I don’t say ‘gay marriage’)
  
  She told me it was easier to argue ‘for’ unions than ‘against’ them because the Bible is not allowed to be used as a source.
  
  No wonder the Left wants all kids to go to college, they can then “mold them to closer to their hearts desire”.
  
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- ashestoashes
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 10:55am
  @BROTHER ED..I have been in classrooms where they try to shove it down your throat and call you a homophobe..Obama placed a gay Czar in charge of school curriculums..check out this video Brother. Communists/Zionists..have an agenda..that agenda is the Luciferian NWO. Because Lucifer is their god and the god of this system of things.
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlpODYhnPEo
  
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- brother_ed
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 11:26am
  @ASHESTOASHES
  
  Agreed.
  
  Interesting video.
  
  The question is, what do we do about it?
  
  Also, do you think Rick Warren is a ‘false prophet’ or ‘false teacher’? Why, or why not?
  
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- 4truth2all
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 11:54am
  Yo Ashes:
  
  How are you?
  I listened to a little of the video … due to the Holy Spirit already know the tricks …praise God
  
  Did an “experiment” with the youth (after school program) I moved a very visible sign every day about a 1/2 inch or so. I told the youth that I was doing this to something in the room. The sign moved about 2-3ft before one of the youth noticed and he was there everyday with it right in front of him. Same idea of the frog in the pan.
  Sometime the enemy will make a big grab … no resistence … he keeps it seldom does he back up to where he was.. kind of like gas prices.
  He is cunning and the reason ALL of us would be deceived … but the Lord!
  
  Grace to you
  
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- ashestoashes
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 8:42pm
  @ Brother Ed Sorry Brother..I have’t concerned myself too much with Rick Warren..I have heard that he is a false prophet..but I would not know unless I knew more about him..It seems that I heard that he is on board with the globalists..but I don’t know enough about the man to know for sure..if you are still around Brother..here is another video I think you will enjoy..It is 1.5 hrs long..seems like it is really interesting for about the first hour..they get off on the Roswell incident..which I have always been on the fence about..they don’t seem to know what the New World Religion will be..but i think it’s very plain in the video..it’s Luciferianism.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjmFm8PIz8M
  
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SpankDaMonkey
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 8:48am
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I sure wish we could get them back in the closet………

I can hardly watch TV anymore without some kind of **** Sex showing up……..

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- The Jewish Avenger
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:28am
  I think its a requirement now:
  
  No less than one homosexual and one black person with one middle eastern
  
  or
  
  a family of Mexicans
  
  else, you are a bigot.
  
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- SPIN_MD
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 10:13am
  Yea and the biracial couples everywhere. MLK advocated interracial marriage. That was one of the cornerstones of his civil rights manifesto. I wonder why you can’t get a copy of his civil rights manifesto? I think maybe it is because it is communist in origin and everyone knows it. It is in the records of the Senate Judiciary Hearings of 1963 and 1964. Good luck getting copies of that….ever.
  
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- Lamarr01
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 3:06pm
  My friend has a gay Chihuahua. Peanut was born normal but switched after being neutered. Disney hasn’t been able to find a black, gay, disabled, Muslim Mexican.
  
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CaptainEmeritus
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 8:47am
My research revealed that 7% blame the Mother, and 4% blame the Father for homosexual tendencies.
The other 89% say they were just sucked into it.

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- SquidVetOhio
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:01am
  Now that’s funny.
  
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- progressiveslayer
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:07am
  lol good one. My nephew is gay and he told me he knew from the time he was a child that he liked boys.
  Personally I think it’s disgusting but who am I to tell him how to live. Lesbians are another story,if they’re smokin hot that’s fine,if they’re lard ass bull ***** who look like men it’s vomit time.
  
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- 4truth2all
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:53am
  Yo Progressive:
  
  You jokin right ?… if not … you just like them.
  Unlike Rick, that’s straight up …
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 12:06pm
  Actually I do blame parents for making some (a small fraction) kids homosexual. Mostly I blame other kids for making kids homosexual.
  
  I definitely blame many guys for making women into lesbians. It is called the PORK & TOSS method or getting sexual favors. A guy needs to satisfy blue balls or to get on the scoreboard. So what does he do? He woos a girl who he has no intention of getting into a serious relationship with, porks here & then dumps her. After a couple of pork & tosses a woman will be a confirmed lesbian. I have seen this done to a short, potbellied girl with a receding chin. It took only 2 tosses.
  
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progressiveslayer
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 8:44am
If science could prove for a fact that homosexuality is genetically based would anyone believe it or would they think the scientist had an agenda?

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- kenboo1
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 8:52am
  Absolutely We need a grant to study this more…
  
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- progressiveslayer
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:00am
  No public money just private,would you change your tune then?
  
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- WIP
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:01am
  Who knows? I personally have come to be very leery of those who claim something is scientific fact and suspect their claims are nothing more than glorified opinions.
  
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- mensa141
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:04am
  As the situation stands now does it matter whether it is genetic or not? Waste of time and energy arguing about the subject. Would any LBGT start or stop doing what they want to do in either case? If I feel like screwing around on my spouse would it be better if I did it because my genetic makeup prompted me to do it or because I just felt like it?
  
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- Pantloadian
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 10:23am
  PRONGSOAKER . . . When did you decide to be straight? (Or have you?)
  
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- Laymen
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 10:44am
  See my post above, sin nature because all of us have a sin gene which manifest itself in different ways (e.g. homosexuality). I have a personal saying, “feelings are a poor substitute for principal”, would you want a clod blooded killer to follow his heart; I thought not. Point is our feelings don’t justify behavior or constitute a moral of justifiable world view.
  
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- progressiveslayer
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 10:47am
  Pantload aka wango I’m straight as an arrow but you on the other hand are gay as BS ,just admit it.
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 8:05pm
  PANTYLOAD……..Homosexuality is laid into a persons psyche by perverse and sadistic individuals for the satisfaction of satanically inspired and purposeful rebellion against Godly morality. This is done at an early age. It is only meant for certain individuals, who, because of weak self control, and “trusting” nature are vulnerable to such manipulation.
  You don’t even know whose agenda you serve….or do you?
  
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jimbo_from_suwanee
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 8:43am
In studies of identical twins, there has never been a 100% correlation to homosexuality. Identical genes produced identical results as to traits with which we are born. Therefore, it is cannot genetic.

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vaman
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 8:43am
Only the least educated of our society, the evengelical christian thinks being gay is a choice. They have to, because the bible spouts on about it and the abomonation nonsense. Once they admit the truth, then their belief system starts to fall apart. Just one more thing that keeps these radicals mentally separated from sensible society.

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- sondoggie
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 8:52am
  Guess God who made us is uneducated, thinking themselves to be wise, they became fools, He said!
  
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- SquidVetOhio
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:02am
  Keep telling yourself that……
  
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- freedoc
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 11:36am
  Really?
  
  Only the least educated believe its not genetic?
  
  Ok.
  
  Lets see your proof that its genetic. Identify the gene, and the protein(s) created that are responsible for homosexuality.
  
  I see. You can’t, because despite billions in research, up to this point, its not identifiable or does not exist.
  
  And your calling THEM dumb?
  
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- jimbo_from_suwanee
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 1:18pm
  Identical twins do NOT have 100% correlation in homosexuality. Twins have identical genes. Therefore, it cannot be genetic.
  
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SocialistSlayer
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 8:42am
I believe the answer is “Both” some seem to be born gay but others seem to think it is cool to be gay.
But hey, We have a Communist – Radical Muslim occupying the White House so this is the least of our worries!

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DeavonReye
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 8:38am
My thoughts are still uncertain. It would seem that SOME people are born the way they are [prefering the same sex]. I don’t get it . . . at all. And I think that is an important aspect of this debate. I . . . don’t get it. I . . . couldn’t ever do it. So, there IS something different in the brain chemistry of a person who DOES. Often they seem to be different than the norm of the gender. Having said that, I know that there are those who over act the “gay”. When they are “over the top” . . . or “flaming”, . . . it may be a good bet that they are not being sincere.

Here’s a thought on this topic. I can bet there have been many people who have spoken out against two people who are in a loving gay relationship, . . . while having an affair, cheating on their own spouse.

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- YAHSHUARULES
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 11:40pm
  This whole pushing homosexuality is part of the agenda; the Mattachine Society and Teachers Union where now children in grade school are having to read perversion like “Heather’s two Mommies” and “Daddy’s Roommate”
  
  Homosexuality is not normal – put it is part of the agenda to drive this culture in a direction designed to destroy it.
  
  Part of the Agenda of the Communist Party: · Congressional Record–Appendix, pp. A34-A35
  January 10, 1963
  Current Communist Goals
  
  26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”
  40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
  41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
  
  The goal of Marxist, Fabians, The Frankfurt School and Antonio Gramsci was to take a Judeo/Christian culture down from within and use the church as one of the main instruments of its destruction:
  27.Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a “religious crutch.”
  28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state”
  
  If any of this is news to you let this connect all the dots for you
  http://vimeo.com/520091
  
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cause_glen_said_so
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 8:38am
Warren and all of the heterosexuals who have such overwhelming “evidence” are missing one vital element, they are heterosexual and have never lived life as a gay individual so have not one iota of a clue

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- SquidVetOhio
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:04am
  We’ve also never lived life as a child molester but we’re pretty sure that’s bad too.
  
  Epic Logic Fail
  
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- cause_glen_said_so
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:59am
  Actually your apple and orange argument is the failure. That child is a victim, two consenting adults are not victims. Funny how even as children, most of society can pick out an effeminate boy or masculine girl.
  
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- jimbo_from_suwanee
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 1:21pm
  Would anyone refuse cancer treatment from a doctor who has never had cancer? Hmmmmmmmm……
  
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texasbirdgirl
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 8:37am
Warren is a DIRT bag who preaches a FALSE gospel!!

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- mandmsgirl
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 11:44pm
  I love the “Christians” on here who practice Christ like attitudes. Whether I like a minister or not I will not judge him..that’s for Christ to do
  
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jcldwl
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 8:36am
I have said it before I’ll say it again. If people are born gay then why did God create a woman as the life partner for Adam. Why not a man? Oh and if people are born gay then why does God consider homosexuality a sin? I believe the pastor hit the nail on the head. It starts as a temptation attraction created by Satan. Just as the temptation to cheat on a spouse is a temptation by Satan. No different. The problem is Satan has been using everything at his disposal to make people accept these things. He has to bring the world down to his level. God already destroyed to Sodom and Gamorrah for sinking into such depravity and the scriptures prophecy the same for the world. And we are headed there my friends. Turn to Christ and you shall be saved.

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- Pantloadian
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 10:26am
  If God made man and woman to procreate, why did he make some people infertile?
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 11:37am
  Pantloadian
  
  If God made man and woman to procreate, why did he make some people infertile?
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  Easy. Life on earth is a beta test. If everything was perfect there would be no stress.
  
  If someone was always looking over your shoulder & you did the right things is it because it came from within or because you knew you were being watched?
  
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Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 8:32am
When it is admitted that obesity is genetic and not a self control issue,then I will budge on being gay is a choice.But it is not politically incorrect to hate fat people.

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- jcldwl
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 8:37am
  Good point
  
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MDDAWG
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 8:31am
Rick Warren is absolutely correct. Same gender atttraction is not a sin, certain sexual behaviors are. And, the evidence for a genetic basis of same gender attraction is not clear. Good job, Rick. Don’t cave.

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kickagrandma
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 8:31am
rick warren is not the Christian “authority” I would have chosen to interview.

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- Pantloadian
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 10:24am
  Yes, Ted Haggard would have been a much better choice.
  
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ares338
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 8:27am
A cork soaker is a cork soaker! The rest is irrelevant.

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- SUNTZU
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 1:52pm
  Where I am we call them Cork Sockers.Both the same when
  x&x are doing IT
  but when its Monie’s old lady its fun
  
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blanco5
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 8:26am
I hate that the way we give so much spotlight to gays as if they represent 75% of the population! Let’s just ask anyone who is gay if they rather live in Amerika or iran.

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ares338
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 8:24am
Who the hell gives a giant crap?

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- Pantloadian
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 10:25am
  Evangelical right wing extremists.
  
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- TRUMPETCALL
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 11:19am
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  Ooooh….
  
  You say that like it’s a bad thing.
  
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IndyGuy
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 8:23am
“Sometimes I get angry and I feel like punching a guy in the nose.”…Like right now…

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SamIamTwo
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 8:23am
Here in WA State they really believe they are born as homosexuals. They say the debate is over. LOL

I wish I could bail out of here but I have family to protect from media and the school system. This state is at the end of the down hill slide and will be the first to go street crazy.

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- jrc99
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 8:44am
  As a native Oregonian ran into the same myth. So I came up with a question that usually silences them, “So if someone is born gay because they have sexual desires for their own gender then are pedophiles born their way? Or are you a pedophobe?”
  
  I joined the Navy to get out. And I did! I do miss OR but I don’t think I’ll move back.
  
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- SPIN_MD
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 10:08am
  I know a lot of gay men. They are the majority in the industry in which I work. I am the minority at any given time in any given venue as far as males go. My own personal observation is that some “gay” men have a proclivity toward that type behavior and some don’t. The ones that don’t are the ones that don’t go around waving the rainbow flag and keep their personal life to themselves. The ones that do are the naked ones with the leather chaps on outside in a street parade and they always talk about their sexual experiences and usually very loudly.
  
  Personally I know a couple of guys that seem to be trapped in the gay lifestyle. I actually don’t think they are “gay”. I think they think they either can’t get out of it or maybe they won’t get out it. They are both very nice guys. They are the ones that “pass”. You know the “straight acting” types. I have great gaydar. I’ve been around gay guys so much I can tell one from 80 paces. I mean even the biggest buffest guys that think they are passing.
  
  I’ll tell everyone a secret on how to tell. Look at the eyes. Look at what the suspected guy is looking at. You have to get good at this because guys, gay or straight, check each other out all the time. Go to any gym. You’ll see what I mean. Gay guys linger too long and they definitely linger on the crotch area way too long. Straight guys will do the quick peek, usually standing in plain sight of the other guy. Gay guys get in secluded areas and use the mirrors…a
  
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- Locked
  Posted on November 28, 2012 at 1:40pm
  @jrc99
  
  “I joined the Navy to get out.”
  
  Oh, delicious irony. Joined the Navy to escape homosexuals.
  
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