Hunter Legally Shoots Rare White Deer in Wisc. — So Why Are the Locals Calling It a ‘Moral Issue’?
Last week, local news out of Wisconsin began reporting about the outrage of residents in Sauk County over the legal shooting of white deer.
Although not against the law to shoot the animals, the Baraboo News Republic (via the Wisconsin State Journal) called it a violation of the area’s “informal code.” And although the hunters were out-of-towners, they were reportedly seasonal regulars who should have known better:
“They’ve been hunting here for years and coming into our bar. They know how we feel,” said Amy Sprecher, owner of Sprecher’s Bar in Leland, about the Fond du Lac hunters who left town Saturday after one of them shot a white deer outside Leland.
One of the white deer shot this month in Wisconsin. (Image: Channel 3000 screenshot)
Technically, in most parts of the state it would have been illegal to shoot the animals with a genetic defect that results in a primarily white coat, but the News Republic noted this does not apply in chronic wasting disease management zones, which included Leland. Even if it was shot in a restricted zone, the DNR came out to say it’s not a true albino either given a brown spot in its hair and lack of pink facial features.
Another deer that was killed by the hunters. (Image: Channel 3000 screenshot)
Still, DNR Law Enforcement Bureau Assistant Chief Karl Brooks told the News Republic that the killing of white deer is a “social issue” in the area.
Taking this statement a step further, Leland resident Brandon Yanke told Channel 3000 he considers it a “moral issue.”
Watch the report:
Sprecher told the News Republic if the hunters come into her bar in the future, she plans to give them “a piece of my mind.”
This isn’t the first white deer story to emerge during the 2012 hunting season. TheBlaze reported recently about another with a deformed antler as well that was spotted in Iowa.
(H/T: Daily Mail)
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luvmyfam5
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:32ambeautiful animal hope he appreciates it
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ashestoashes
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 10:30amI fully support our Constitutional 2nd amendment rights..to bear arms..and the right to defend oneself..I detest the killing of animals for sport,for gluttony..or for trophies..this is deplorable..I have recently seen on FB..little kids being taken out deerhunting..shooting their first deer..and holding its head up in a trophy like fashion and getting 30 or so “likes” .I never say anything..but what a deplorable way to raise your child..to kill a creation of God’s for sport and fun.. If the deer were out hunting humans..it would be a different story.. I would find it difficult to be close to anyone with such a cruel heart..
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TRUECON19
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 10:44amI would hope update be okay with it if they were killing deer for food. I’m much more respecting of killing animals like deer as nature intended for us to eat vs slaughter house cows that never see the light of day
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mecanic
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 11:05am@ ashestoashes…….what about for food….you jackwagon.
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NobleDar
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 11:05amNice deer, should make a good batch of sausage and a rare mount. Good to see the hunter harvested the morphadite gene pool. It was a great season in ND, and an awesome time to get my 7 yr grandson in first photo with his dads deer. The ignorance about deer season is still rampant and as for the white deer and the local bar floosy opinion, shove it. This woman doesn’t know a hunter from free birth control. The deer need harvesting or disease and overpopulation will decimate their exstence. We have more deer in the US than in any time through history. What a moronic view of ignoance in your comments and attempts at villifying deer hunters to satisfy a contradictory and bigoted set of views.
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PlowMan
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 11:09amThere are white deer around everywhere. They are a kind of oddity and rare though. The people around my part of the world would not shoot one and would react the same way as these folks if someone did. It’s just nice to see them out in the wild as you drive by. The run of the mill deer is an entirely different story. We have entirely too many and they need to continue to keep them thinned out to keep the car/ deer accidents to a manageable level.
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texashuntre
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 11:10amAshes – Read the book Hunting for God, Fishing for the Lord. There is nothing wrong with taking your child out to experience what God has given us the gift to do. Which is to be able to hunt. Just because they take a picture of the animal does not mean they are going to throw it by the dumpster afterwards. With hunting comes great responsibility and respect for nature. Something that every kids should learn and understand at an early age.
Now on to the topic here, The deer in the picture and video is due to inbreeding. It would be wise to take them out. They may look pretty and all but eventually they will ruin the bloodline and more formalities will occur.
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geomann
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 11:12amThere is nothing wrong with teaching children how to hunt and feed themselves. Trophy hunting has never interested me. Is it trophy hunting if you pose with the animal? I don’t know. As long as it is killed humanely and eaten I’m fine with it.
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Bloody Sam
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 11:20am“ashestoashes”:
Re your statement about God’s creatures being killed for sport or fun;
Genesis 26:
Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
“so that they may rule over” does not make any distinction about fun or sport. Man has dominion over the animal kingdom per the word of God.
How does the word of God fit in with your viewpoint on the harvesting of food animals?
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dogmeat
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 11:26am@ASHESTOASHES I would like to know if you EAT any MEATS? I hunt for FOOD not Wall Hangers,Will I be damned for eating GOD’s bounty? I think not!
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SquareHead
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 11:28amOf course he will appreciate. I suppose you would rather appreciate it be smeared all over the highway…..
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CPT_GCF
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 11:33amAshestoashes, newsflash, you can still cape a deer like this and still harvest the meat. Also, it’s not hard to find that God has given us dominion over the animals to kill, eat, and use. Hunters enjoy these animals far more than you probably ever will. I mount some of my kills because I enjoy the beauty of them, and there is no greater conservationist than the hunters.
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Centurian
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 11:35am@ASHESTOASHES;
Apparently you know little about hunting. As a deer hunter here in Michigan, I am proud of what I do. Why? Because I am keeping the deer population healthy. How? Because there are very few predators in Michigan anymore, and if people such as I did not hunt deer, then the animals would die from starvation and disease would kill many more.
Also, I hunt deer for more than just that: I kill, field dress, clean, freeze, and eat venison year round. Ask anyone about the cost of feeding a family, and suddenly the small price of paying for a deer license sounds like a great bargain. I also supplement with fish that my family catches.
Yes, it is considered a sport. But for me, it is a matter of providing for my family.
As for allowing children to be exposed to this: it is a good thing. If anything, it reminds them of their mortality, and to cherish each day that the Lord gives them, and to enjoy the rare beauty that can only be found outdoors.
Oh, and by the way: you should also know us hunters and fishermen spend tons of money each year, preserving parks, wetlands, and other natural areas. We also donate our time, too, so that people like you can enjoy the outdoors.
So before you spout off like that, make sure you know what you are speaking about…
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Centurian
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 11:44amOne more thing, @ASHESTOASHES:
Another reason:
According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, there are about 1 million car accidents with deer each year that kill 200 Americans, cause more than 10,000 personal injuries, and result in $1 billion in vehicle damage.
So, technically, yeah, they area hunting us!!!
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GuruMeditation
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 11:45amThat’s a sweet buck! People need to lighten up. I am sure the hunter will follow up with the appropriate actions after taken such a prize.
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GuruMeditation
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 11:47am@ashestoashes: You really got it all wrong. You obviously don’t understand the relationship between man and beast.
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Walkabout
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 11:55amSure, If you hunt always eat the animal for food. You can always stuff the animal too.
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Go Glenn
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 11:59amI thought ALL ALBINO animals were protected by law.
Is this not the case?
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THXll38
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 12:04pmashestoashes -
I can respect what you say. The trophy thing is BS even if they use the deer for meat and other purposes. The cost to go hunting out weighs the benefit of the meat. Unless you were handed down all the equipment needed, it will cost in the thousands to get outfitted plus license fees. Today, hunting is sport, not survival like it was with our ancestors. My relatives hunt, and I get a nice share of Elk, venison, and Antelope every year. God did indeed put animals on this planet for companionship and food, but I am pretty sure God is not a big fan of showing off killing one of his creatures.
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tradarcher
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 12:07pm@NOBLEDAR Well said! If someone doesn’t agree with hunting that is fine, but don’t try and take away my opportunity to hunt.
I don’t smoke and think that it is unhealthy, however I would never try and take away the option for people to smoke. And in fact I would defend peoples option to smoke.
I get tired of the emotionally driven, illogical people that don’t take to the time to think things out.
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Wartface
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 12:20pmYou a PITA member? God put those animals on earth for food for humans as well as other carnivores in the food chain… You idiots just do read I guess.
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grimmster
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 12:30pm@ashestoashes aka encinom.
No one on here gives a rats ass about you, your comments or your peta loving ass.Seems ive heard that in the bible it says that God put the animals here on earth to serve man, or some such,hope that guy servers that deer up with some taters and a decent salad.
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SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 12:47pmmost who deplore hunting of animals are clueless of the sgnificant benefit hunting provides aganst overpopulation and disease withn herds and animal populations. Without it crop and herd devastation as well as disease would be significant. I’m sorry but it strikes me like a liberal who is led by their emtions rather than their brains. Thank you. BTW I’ll be going for my 4th deer ths year.
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Jezcruzen
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 1:02pmAshestoashes, you are so far off target that I actually feel sorry for you!
Have you ever heard of “Hunters for the Hungry”? Hunters supply thousands of pounds of clean, healthy meat to soup kitchens and charities all over the country every year. Deer meat does not go to waste! I put two in my freezer just last week. We eat that meat. Maybe you would feel better if a dad took his son over to the slaughter house to teach him about the tradition of slaughtering domestic farm animals? You know… like that meat you buy at the supermarket sitting nicely on that styrofoam? Or like that hamburger you like from the fast-food restaurant… the meat chocked full of hormones and preservatives? Shhhsssssssseeeeeesh!
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iamnotu
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 1:04pmAshestoashes, your comment in its self is deplorable! You are obviously an anti hunter which is counter to your pro gun stance, so in a way you are somewhat of an enigma!
You obviously have no concept of what it is to hunt or kill animals put on this earth by god for food. You don’t have a clue as to the need for hunting to conserve the ever shrinking habitat that is needed for these wonderful animals. Without hunting most of these sporting animals would be dying of starvation due to overpopulation. Most of them would be killed as they would be labeled pests.
Granted there are people that go out and kill animals for the trophies and not the harvest, these are not hunters.
But what is most disgraceful about your comment is that it is done with no knowledge of the comradery between father and son and fellow hunters, the respect that is shown to the animals and each other. Hunting is a way of life in and of itself strengthens morals and values instilled in any person that takes to the woods in hopes of harvesting their table fare for the season and to create memories that last a lifetime and from generation to generation.
Until you actually know something about what you are commenting about I would suggest you keep your anti hunting sissy mouth shut and mind your own business.
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RabidPatriot
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 1:07pmThe white deer is sacred? Racist PETA people. I bet he tastes great just like his brown brothers. Yummy.
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4truth2all
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 1:11pmYo Grimmster:
Seems to me that the bible says something about being kind caring and loving of even your enemies.
Try that with you taters …
And for you to put Ashes and Encinom together indicates your ignorance.
Yo Ashes:
Hunting is NOT condemned by God. If you have no interest this is fine. A local food bank was asking for any donations of venicen … which means this is going to a GOOD cause . Please reconsider your own beliefs and those of the Lords concerning this matter. It would also seem to me that many animals do not hide in the woods.
Killing something to hang on one’s own wall is another matter and up to God to determine. Many museums have all kind of animals on display is this also wrong … peace
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4truth2all
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 1:19pmYo Hip:
Can tell your a doctor … all you ever do is play ,,, 4th deer ,,, yo, you have a machine gun, or sneak into the local zoo?
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jcldwl
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 1:31pm@ ashes
I love how you anti hunters always assume we hunters are doing this for sport and fun. Have you ever sat in a tree stand for hours on a freezing cold winter day waiting for that slim chance a deer will show up. Nothing fun about it. We do it for food. So people get excited about their kill and take pictures. Well they worked for it and have that right to brag about it. Hunters do more for conservation in this country than any other group of people. It’s fact look it up. If it weren’t for hunters as well as fishermen our conservation programs would be non-existent. You may want to learn to hunt yourself. It will come in quite handy during our coming economic collapse. While your at it learn to garden and raise your own chickens. I do all this, but of course in your eyes I am just an evil hunter having fun taking advantage of poor defenseless wild animals. Unfortunately people like me are who people like you will be running to when you can’t get food at the grocery store anymore. But what is more humane here. Giving the animal a chance because believe me hunters miss alot more deer than we kill, or eating the meat at the grocery store or restaurant, that comes from mass produced facilities where the animals are given no chance to avoid death.
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Kalish
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 1:54pmI wonder how many of these people that think killing the deer is a social issue, feel about murdering a baby ?
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msc
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 1:58pm@ashestoashes…I dislike your comments. I am for one who has taken all three of my kids out hunting. I for one do not teach them to kill just for trophies. They understand the meaning of taking the life of an animal and apperciate the food it gives us at our table. We Thank God for giving us the oppurtunity to provide food for our family.
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NealPatrick
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 2:33pmDid any of you bashing “ashes” comment actually read what was written? “I detest the killing of animals for sport,for gluttony..or for trophies..this is deplorable.” Okay, so if you don’t do any of these things, then chill-out.
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stage9
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 2:42pmWell, one thing’s for sure, he’s no longer rare…well, unless you cook him that way!
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hipower
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 2:45pmDear Ms Spiecher,,get over it…this is a fine 12 point that will taste good on someone’s dinner plate. If these deer had more predators in the area they would be prey…they stand out in the crowd and coyotes, wolves, etc would make short work of them. This is a sign of genetic weakness…sorry you may see “the beauty” its a deer.
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GABlueStarMom
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 2:54pm@Ashestoashes, it sure is HORRIBLE to teach kids to hunt and feed themselves! My son took a deer this past weekend, it will go straight from the processor into our freezer. Hopefully we will get two more for the season. Personally, I don’t know any hunters that kill deer willy nilly, the Brown and Down is not tolerated. And as for the White deer, I can see both sides….it’s kinda cool to have white deer hanging around but it was shot in an area that experiences Cronic Wasting Disease, which is an absolutely horrific way for a deer to die.
I would also like to add that hunters provide TONS of meat for local food banks!
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Lotus503
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 3:07pmI’m surprised that there aren’t any Indi…er…Native Americans who object to the killing…
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KevINtampa
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 3:30pmI had a liberal friend of mine question why I had a deer trophy hanging in my den, I didn’t answer him. All I did was point out how nice his leather belt and loafers looked.
It seems anti-hunting types think hunting is easy. Well it’s not. It takes skill, practice, preparation, and patience. The buck hanging in my den was the first buck I got with a bow. I’m not ashamed for one second to say I keep it as a “trophy”. That bucks represents years of hard work and dedication. Lefties must not know hard work or dedication.
And knowing how to hunt and actually killing the animal is only half of what hunting is. Knowing how to efficiently gut, skin, clean, and store the benefits of the animal is the other half. I like knowing I don’t need a Kroger’s or a Publix to feed my family. And those “trophies” in my home remind me of that.
So to all the anti-hunting folks out there who chastise hunters for feeling good about being independent, I have this message:
You, and your family, are dependent people. This will never change. And while you do not believe that this world will ever change, just know that if it does, the life running through your veins will still be dependent on someone else to continue; and that someone else will be people just like me. People like me won’t need you or your family; so if you, and your family, are to survive it’ll be because of our charity, nothing more. Tread softly, we will certainly remember you.
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boxing4life
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 3:45pm@ASHESHTOASHES, Don’t you dare try to use God in an argument against hunting!
Genesis 27:3 ESV / 82 helpful votes
Now then, take your weapons, your quiver and your bow, and go out to the field and hunt game for me
Genesis 10:9 ESV / 32 helpful votes
He was a mighty hunter before the Lord. Therefore it is said, “Like Nimrod a mighty hunter before the Lord.”
Acts 10:13 ESV / 23 helpful votes
And there came a voice to him: “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.”
Jeremiah 16:16 ESV / 23 helpful votes
“Behold, I am sending for many fishers, declares the Lord, and they shall catch them. And afterward I will send for many hunters, and they shall hunt them from every mountain and every hill, and out of the clefts of the rocks
1: And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.
2: And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.
3: Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things
I would suggest a simple theological education if you are willing to use God in Vain!
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looseman
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 3:48pmShoot it twice, strap it to your hood and drive around town like the good old days.
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Pouldeaux
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 4:16pmI tell you like this, here in Louisiana when we hunt its not just for the Trophies but also for the meat. Here if it’s Brown is’s Down, If it fly’s it Dies. You tell a real Cajun that isn’t illegal but taste good, we’ll make it go extinct real quick. Bottom line here, the guy didn’t break the Law, play nice and just ask nicely not to do it again. If you piss those hunters off you could end up with ZERO White Tail Deer in that area.
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grimmster
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 4:19pm@4truth2all aka ashestoashes aka encinom.
Really, you are so easy to spot moron, the only person you are fooling on here is yourself. And hate for your luck, but im anything but kind to asshats…….
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TheBattman
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 4:27pm@ASHESTOASHES,
Then you had better not visit my facebook page – as there are pictures of my 8 year-old daughter with her first deer harvest – a young 4pt buck. The grin on her face (and the one on my you obviously can’t see in the pictures) are a memory we will share for life!
I’m so glad you support our 2nd Amendment rights to “keep and bear arms”. It is just unfortunate that you seem so personally offended that there are people who still enjoy harvesting their own wild game for the dinner table (not to mention the fellowship and memories). What a sheltered youth you must have had – one that included nothing of the real pleasures of life, which in part include the right and enjoyment of hunting and fishing.
As far as the hunters in the story – more power to them. They broke no laws, they harvested a real trophy, and again – have memories that will last a lifetime. A hearty “congratulations” to them.
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NOT A CRAZY
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 4:55pmI was going to make a comment about the looney crap I just read from Ashes but I think everyone else probably covered everything there was to cover. All I am going to add is that I am going hunting this next week and I plan on taking a couple of trophy animals if I see them. (I have never shot an animal that I didn’t consider a trophy, some are just better than others) If I see an albino critter I will be sure to shoot it and maybe I will get some of the stupid animal-rights comments. That reminds me. I have to remember to buy a wolf tag.
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mercenary4freedom
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 5:25pmIf those people are so pissed off about the guy shooting that legal buck, then they should petition the Fish & Game Dept to make the killing of the white deer in their area illegal. Other than that its a legal buck and fair game. personally It would have been hard to not take this deer.
Me, I could care less about the size of the antlers and trophy status. You can boil those antlers all you want & its not going to make em taste any better. However, the bigger bucks are harder to hunt. They didn’t get that big by being dumb. I usualy take a couple does during archery to fill the freezer, then hunt for a mature (harder to hunt) buck….or two. We got two this weekend, one of which was a 165lb wide 5 pointer, the other a legal doe. For his size he should have had larger antlers, but we believe genetics is what had his rack smaller. This is FL so 165 is a decent deer for here in central FL. Making some deer jerkey as I type.
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4truth2all
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 6:20pmYo Grim;
You have a lovely day to …
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step15
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 7:19pmAshestoAshes must be a city slicker. We don’t just hunt for sport, although I see nothing at all wrong with that because there are way too many deer! But everyone I know that hunts deer, eats them. Some folks in the parts of SE Ohio where I’m from, appreciate the meat!
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ashestoashes
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 8:26pm@TRUTH Thanks for defending me my friend..God didn’t create animals for man to eat..He told Adam to care for his animals in the Garden of Eden..Only after the angel married into the daughters of man producing giants who were devouring men and men were very evil….did God send the flood which wiped all men but Noah and his out..Then God was saddened and gave men permission to eat the animals..Esau(Father of Muslims) and Jacob were brothers..Esau was a great hunter..he was first born and was to receive his father’s blessing….God preferred Jacob..Essau the hunter..lost his father’s blessing..Jacob got it..Man was not created to be a carnivore..His teeth are not carnivorous..I am not to judge..but..it sickens me..always has..always will..I am not a meat eater..no I do not eat hamburgers or anything with meat in it.. and no..I am not a city slicker..but I do have a heart..Animals have feelings..feel love..fear..are protective..love their young..have hearts..brains..blood just like us..I have compassion for them..I read something once where Moses said “I gave you animals to eat because you were killing your brothers..but you still kill your brothers..and your bodies have become the graveyards of dead animals..
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Dynaryder
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 8:56pmBetter talk to God about that Ashes, he’s the one who gave us canine teeth. Not to mention how much healthier game meat is for you
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Libertarian2
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:41pmWe are a very small community, most farmers don’t allow out of town hunters due to their lack of respect, In my 51yrs untill the last 5 year I had only seen one white deer in the area.
We all realize just how “Rare” these few White deer are. we keep an eye on them and have agreed to not harvest the White Deer. There are plenty of regular white tails to take. We wish to leave the special few for our respect of the unusual. They are beautiful!!
Sprecher Bar has been there for 70 yrs or more, Ms Sprecher’s father owned the bar before she took over. She speaks for the entire community and should you choose thvisit “The Driftless Area” you would then under stand how we feel.
You look at Playboy, we watch Beautiful White Deer.
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ashestoashes
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 10:11pm@LIBERTARIAN 2..That’s beautiful..I am so glad that you guys are enjoying that beauty..I have never personally seen white deer..but I’ll bet that it is a real feast for the eyes….I have beautiful memories of going to the mountains and staying in a cabin with friends..and seeing the deer and the bluejays in the yard of the mornings..it was so awesome being in the mountains and that close to nature.. The deer in my hometown come into my town and the people feed them and love them..I see them close to me..but I don’t feed them for fear that they will gain trust of humans..they are safe where they are and I always pray for them..I always delight in God’s creatures..and have thought what a shame it would be if we didn’t have them to remind us of our Creator.. I hope you get to keep your white deer..Blessings..
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ashestoashes
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 10:20pm@DYNARIDER..Hi..I have talked to God since I was two..I was raised as a beef eater..but I no longer touch it..it was hypocracy on my part..I finally just decided that God made enough wonderful food for us to eat without my lusting after the flesh of animals..I was doing my part in being responsible for the loss of a life so that I could satisfy that lust which would wind up being flushed down the commode..Peace
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Zekron
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 11:00pmThe hunter probably wanted all white meat, why the angst? It’s an animal, it’s food, should KFC spare albino chickens? Albino cows? If you don’t want to shoot an animal, don’t. I draw the line at self aware animals, like liberals (well barely aware). I don’t care if they are albinos or not, DON’T shoot them.
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SgtB
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 11:36pm@ Ashes, your only possible valid point was against trophy hunters. I’m all for hunting… for food. Hunting for sport is a ludicrous obsession and it is the cause of so much lost liberty that it is hard to convey to someone that does not understand.
You see, right now, in most states, the state OWNS the animals. Much in the same way that the “king” used to own the animals in a nation. This wasn’t how it always was however. It used to be that a man had the RIGHT to eat and could hunt of his own accord in this nation. For over a hundred years this was the case and everything was fine. But then, our government decided that it should wipe out the buffalo to starve a group of people and our own government paid for the extermination of not just the buffalo, but every animal that had to serve in the buffalo’s rightful place on a dinner table. Then, the “sport” hunters got mad because they couldn’t find a good mount every year and they had to search longer to get one at all. So they did what all good lobbying groups do and they formed a political action committee and got some laws passed that benefit them at the cost of someone else’s property or Liberty. Now we have over burdensome bureaucracy running rampant and men with guns show up when a blogger in Texas posts about eating a dove that died of natural causes after flying into his picture window.
All thanks to sport hunters. Well, I’ve really got to give the anti-indian lobbyists of the 1800′s cred in this also.
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ashestoashes
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 11:54pm@SRGTB…Hey Sarge..good to see you made it back from another tour..Okie told me you had to go..I know I am not to judge..just a personal thing with me i guess..I never saw the harm in doing something like you said…I just have a real heart for animals..always have since a child.. can’t fault anyone else for doing it..I can no longer put it into my body..i do love fish and shrimp..I still couldn’t kill a fish even..lol..hope all is well with you Sarg..if you talk to Okie..please tell him I lost his email address in a pc crash and hope all is well..
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colt1860
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 12:11amWell, if God was against killing animals, why in the world would he command that hundreds of animals be killed in his name?
“And thither ye shall bring your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, and your tithes, and heave offerings of your hand, and your vows, and your freewill offerings, and the firstlings of your herds and of your flock. And there, ye shall eat before the Lord your God, and ye shall rejoice in all that ye put your hand unto, ye and your households, wherein the Lord thy God hath blessed thee. Then there shall be a place which the Lord your God shall choose to cause his name to dwell there; thither shall ye bring all that I command you; your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, your tithes, and the heave offering of your hand, and all your choice vows which ye vow unto the Lord. And ye shall rejoice before the Lord your God, ye, and your sons and your daughters, and your menservants, and your maidservants, and the Levite that is within your gates; forasmuch as he hath no part nor inheritance with you. You may not eat within thy gates the tithe of thy corn, or of thy wine, or of thy oil, or the firstlings of thy herds or of the flocks, nor any of thy vows which thou vow, nor thy freewill offerings, or heave offering of your hand: But YOU MUST EAT THEM before the Lord thy God in the place which the Lord thy God shall choose…”
I hunt for food, I don’t let meat go to waste.
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K-Sarge Vet
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 1:33amin reply to ashes to ashes you obviously do not live anywhere near wisconsin, because if you did you would know that deer hunting is vital. if there were no deer hunting in wisconsin the roadways would be unbelievably overun with deer, and i live in a metro area of wisconsin and even the roads here are littered with dead deer. and believe me no one hunts deer for just sport, they are shooting them to eat them. do some research.
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pscully17
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 2:12amSo it’s a moral social local issue that locals protect something they locally defend, and out of towners come in and legally kill their local sacred code ……sounds like ACLU going town to towndemanding they change 300 years of Christmas, and references to God, !!
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KIWL-DA-WABBIT
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 3:36amASHES your are ridiculous and your post is stupid. And as far as the white deer being shot, WHO CARES!
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bigdaddyt46
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 3:47am@ashes
here in Wisconsin(i can only speak of here i’m sure other states have similar programs) hunters can buy a secondary license to shoot deer as long as the second deer you shoot is donated to a food bank/pantry. the meat processors will process that second deer for free if it is indeed to go to help feed homeless, poor ect. it has been a huge success since it was implemented 15+ years ago. i know many hunters who do this evey year as well as a few who enjoy the sport, but do not care for deer meat. the few i know who fall into the latter catagory buy both licenses and donate both deer. so to generalize and say all hunters are bad is wrong as i have just proved.
secondly Wisconsin is one of the highest deer population states. without hunting it would be far worse with overpopulation, and disease. accidents involving deer is also at a higher level then most states, and would skyrockect if not controled.
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firedsilver.ok
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 8:10am@ Ashes – Cruel heart? I would find it difficult to be around anyone with such stupid opinions. BTW, it is illegal to wantonly waste a game animal such as deer. So, even if the hunter hunts for “sport” the animal still feeds someone.
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CPT_GCF
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 9:16am@Ashestoashes, Jesus kept the Law of Moses. Furthermore, Jesus certainly ate lamb. He also ate and fed fish to thousands.
God said, “Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you.” – Genesis 9:3
@THXLL38, the cost to go hunting far outweighs the benefits? I take it you’ve never harvested anything. A box of .270 costs me around $22 and my meat grinder attachment cost me around $50. With all that I get at least 8 pounds of hamburger and probably over 20 steaks PER DEER. How much would that cost you per year? You do the math.
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ashestoashes
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 10:02am@BLAZE..what happened to my comments last comment? Thank you..
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ashestoashes
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 10:11am@BLAZE..I gave Biblical answers to Colts comments..and I was wondering why you won’t post them.?
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goahead.makemyday
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 10:13amCPT_GCF
I think he’s talking about buying guns, ammo, feed/salt lick, tree stand/blinds, tools for processing and preparing the meat. maybe a 4×4 too. He’s talking EVERYTHING a person THINKS they need not what am experienced actually uses.
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ashestoashes
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 10:30am@COLT 3rd try.. The Lord had the family take the baby lambs into the family home so they could grow to love it before sacrificing it..This showed them how God would feel when He sacrificed His only begotten Son on the cross for our sins..Daniel..before being taken before the king..asked that he and his men be given only vegetables to eat..with no meat or pleasant food..the king’s men worried but Daniel said..see for yourself if we don’t fair better than the meat eaters .. and they did..Daniel was then able to do the dream interpretation for the king..When the cloud came down with the animals..and the Lord said..Peter..Rise..kill and eat..did he go out..kill an animal and eat it? No..It was his que to go and witness to the Gentiles..for they were considered dogs…We are told to eat whatever our host is eating ..but we are also to respect our hosts apetites and they ours unless of course the food has been sacrified to idols.. I apologize to anyone to whom I have offended.. Blessings..
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Operator61
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 10:47amIs anything wrong with trophy hunting if you donate the meat to charity or a food shelter? Hunting is much more humane than eating the meat that comes out of slaughter houses and some chicken farms. But most people probably never think of this when the munch into a hamburger or chicken sandwich. I would rather see deer meat go to feed a family than to see an overpopulation of starving deer.
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raudytrout
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 1:08pmYou are entitled to your opinion, as am I. So here it is. Relax! First of all, the article never said anything about SPORT. ANd even if it had, it’s legal, totally ESSENTIAL to manage wildlife (or be overrun by deer – bet you’d feel diffferent if this white stag and a dozen of his girlfriends were eating your garden to shreds every year). Regarding facebook photos of kids hunting, posing with their first? Are you kidding me? Deploreable? I get it. I get it. You are one of those that want’s to eat thier meat and not think about how it died. IfI ever see you posing with buddies and beer around the BBQ, I’m calling you out for posing with that poor little beef cow you are about to eat. Hahaha
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4truth2all
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 1:11pmYo Ashes:
In all respect to you … scripture tells us that we are free in Christ. You have a right to your opinion but not to tell others that eating meat is wrong using that very scripture to suit YOUR opinion.
Did not Jesus tell His own disciples were to throw the net to catch fish to EAT?
Does not Jesus tell us not to cause another to stumble?
Would this not be contradictory if eating fish was wrong?
Did Jesus not cook and EAT fish with the disciples?
I appreciate your kind heart … please do not make this as Gods authority …. In truth
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shakedowncrews
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 2:44pm@ ashestoashes; clearly you don’t know a darn thing about this. What makes you think people hunt “for the fun” of “killing God’s creatures”? Have you ever been on a hunt? Have you ever been there when a child shoots their first deer?
The fun is in the CHALLENGE of figuring out how to find and sneak up on an animal that has evolved to evade capture and killing. It’s NOT easy. The fun is in being out in the wild, with friends or family.
The “fun stops when you pull the trigger”. What makes you think kids are desensitized by killing a deer? You don’t think those kids also think they are beautiful? You don’t think it makes them a little sad to kill it? But then what happens? They grow an appreciation for the fact that eating meat is taking a life. They become appreciative.
And this will continue, so they are not idiots like a lot of folks who don’t hunt, and never think about the fact that every piece fish, chicken or beef they eat was, at one time, an animal.
Grow up. Your perspective is childish. You need to go hunting with a group of responsible hunters, and form your opinion only after you’ve done that.
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ashestoashes
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 3:04pm@TRUTH..I appreciate you too Truth..but have you read about Daniel and his turning down the meat and fine foods to hear from God? God gave permission to eat meat..and by the way..I am a peso vegetarian..which means I eat fish and shrimp..but not so much now because of all the uranium that is going into the sea…and Truth..I did not say that God condemns it..I was merely pointing out scripture in the Bible which speaks favorably of not partaking of flesh..Yes.Jesus ate fish..I have not found instances where he ate other meats..He may have..but I know people taking the Nazarite vow did not eat flesh foods and even abstained from eating grapes or anything of the vine..I have studied with Messianic Jews..and they told me that believers who don’t eat flesh foods grow more spiritually..I was merely pointing that out Truth..I don’t care that others eat meat..and I apologized for the offense..sorry my brother for offending you also. I eat to live ..I don’t live to eat…I know where you stand.. and by all means..enjoy what you eat.. Love and Peace my brother..
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colt1860
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 3:50pmOne has a right to not eat meat. But no Christian can proclaim, as if it were a comman of God, that Christians must abstain from meat.
“Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.”
“Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand… He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks…”
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colt1860
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 3:54pm“…But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother’s way. I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean. But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died. Let not then your good be evil spoken of: For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men. Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another. For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence. It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak. Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God.”
The word of God is very clear on this subject. It goes both ways.
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Dismayed Veteran
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 4:27pmAshes
Most of the guys I hunt with are not out to set a record with Boone and Crokett. Having a trophy rack would be nice but I rather have the venison. So would most of my friends. Teaching your child to hunt is providing that child with a survival skill.
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Dismayed Veteran
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 4:50pmAshes
I have to give to you. You have sand to stand up and defend yourself.
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Marine_Warrior
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 5:22pm@ ashestoashes Don’t be a hypocrite and sob about “God’s creatures” you tard. In your Bible he gave them all the creatures of the field for meat. You’ve mixed New Age animal worship with Christianity. I’m sick of that vomit. I’m firmly for Second Amendment gun ownership, concealed carry…and venison on the table being eaten while you whine about somebody killing the great white Bambi…. Get real.
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rickfromthecape
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 5:45pmSure, bunch of racists….. if that was a black deer nobody would have noticed! ;)
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4truth2all
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 6:06pmYo Ashes:
You didn’t offend me, and I would absolutely agree that keeping a low intake of meat to be a matter of good health and biblical truth, and probably why the condition of our health in America to be in such a poor state. Final … in the parable of the wedding feast in Matthew 22 preparing a fatted calf is mentioned … at any rate lay off them donuts, there mine!
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ashestoashes
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 7:25pm@DISMAYED Veteran..Thank you..
@TRUTH..lol
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Anamah
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 1:29amThere is something horrific in the killing of an animal who can be in itself the grace and the beauty of innocence. I understand some people need to show how brave they are… but at least in my opinion seems to be disgraceful.
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venrooy
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 2:14amashestoashes – You must have forgotten the part in the Bible where God fed the Israelis with Quail. Or how about when Jesus multiplied the fish? Both every bit as much an animal as a deer. – And without any human influence, animals eat each other. It’s the way God made us.
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ashestoashes
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 9:19am@VENROOY..God was very angry about the people eating those quail..He was so angry that He struck them with a plague.. http://www.all-creatures.org/living/doesgodwant.html
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4truth2all
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 10:55amYo Ashes:
God was not angry at the eating of the quail … He was angry at their whining and complaining… peace
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ashestoashes
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 7:36pm@TRUTH..ah yes Truth..but they were whining because they were lusting after the flesh of animals..and were not satisfied with the manna which they could pound into flour for bread..God knows when even a sparrow falls from the sky..and there is instruction that if you take baby birds from their mother’s nest..you are to send her away first..God has shown us His heart for His animals..and He loves us so much that He gave into our desires to eat flesh..even though it was never intended..Just think Truth..how many of His children would ever follow Him if He forbade the eating of meat..I would venture to say from the attachment that people have to flesh..that He would not have many followers..Blessings My Friend..
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4truth2all
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 10:40amYo Ashes;
If you check …
I do believe that you are twisting scripture to suit your thinking (no disrespect).
God loves His creation … he also killed almost ALL of it.
Talking of birds … do you eat eggs, or use them in cooking?
God does NOT give into sin and OK it!
Do you believe that God allowed the eating of flesh so there would be more saved? I don’t think that would work because a mans heart would not be right and could not be saved. This would allow people to use God as a suger daddy,,, ain’t gonna happen.
Also, what would you have done if you had to eat manna everyday for years. I’m thinking I might have wanted some quail or a bowl of oat meal also.
Dismayed Veteran commended you for sticking to your guns … this is a commendable thing … but I find it takes MORE courage to admit that one may not be so correct as they think. Eating flesh is not wrong nor spoken of against in scripture , so this is between the individual believer and God and scripture backs my statement up.
Final … I would find no need to travel any futher here … I would not be so sure that it was not part of Gods “intent”, because what is, is ALL part of Gods plan and purpose …. EVERYTHING! The fall of men was intended … it is in the “saving” that God gets the glory due Him ! Manna did not bring Him glory!
Grace to you to allow others there plate of meat, and should I ever serve you we will have brocolli, beans, and bananas topped off with joy … that’s desert,
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RaydocX
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:32am… white deer arise spontaneously in the deer population. killing this one will not forever eliminate their presence in the population.
so the only moral dilemmas I see are game wardens or people of authority who even momentarily consider whether this is ‘morally acceptable’ and whether the deer will be used for meat or was merely a trophy kill. And even that is acceptable if the hunter jumped through the appropriate hoops.
Hereabouts people are needing to thin the deer herds, and the turkey population is exploding, pushing the quail and pheasants north, which hurts hunting in Kansas, but fish and game has yet to realize the problem and expand either turkey or deer season adequate to the problem.
It’s a perfect example of the problem with trying to ‘manage’ wildlife… the bureaucrats are always chasing instead of getting in the lead… and the few demonstrable times they have tried to be ‘pro-active’ the measures have had unintended consequences.
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NobleDar
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 11:10amI am surprised the deer isn’t labeled an endangered spedcies and the lands of Wisconsin put in a no development zone from border to border. The ignorance of the largest deer population in our countrys history is understandable with so many bleeding heart liberals. The opposing voices can always run and hide in Illinois, like the cowards of your legislature; don’t get their way and hide in a closet.
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Centurian
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 11:38amIf it were taken on Indian land, I could understand it, since for many Indian tribes, the albino animal has a very sacred meaning to them.
Other than this, hey, it tastes great with onions, butter, and flour!
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GABlueStarMom
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 3:01pmA friend of mine has a deer on his land, that he has several pictures of that is spotted like an Appaloosa.
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PaxInVeritate
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 3:36pmCENTURIAN… et al, this is not an Albino. Please re-read the story. And onions and flour are for the liver, the rest of the meat is fine since it’s out of rut season.
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Chinishque
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 8:29pmI have hunted for years and have always donated a good portion of the meat once it has been processed to women’s shelters and homeless shelters and they are very happy to get it. I also will stop when I see an animal get hit or that has very recently been hit…especially in the winter…and harvest the meat.
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Two Sheds
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 11:39pmUmmm… so, you should only shoot the black ones? This is silly.
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Carlinpa
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:23amOk so, Kill unborn babies , OK
Kill a white dear, that’s a “moral issue.” NOT OK
Check!
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muffythetuffy
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:32amDitto
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:45amCARLINPA, You got that right.
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johnpaulkuchtajr
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:47amHi Carl,
I’m right there with you, old son!
We’re $16 trillion in debt, killing our own unborns by the thousands, selling guns to Mexican drug cartels leading to deaths of US Border Agents and, most recently, ordering-in pizza while our President watches our four heroes in Benghazi killed needlessly. All that is just for starters!
I’m an avid hunter; but, does a story about a white deer really merit display here?
Maybe somebody solved the debt crisis last night and I failed to get the email?
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Jenny Lind
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 10:32amVery well put, thank you!
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GuruMeditation
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 11:49amThe madness of their logic is astounding.
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THXll38
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 12:07pmThe mind of the modern day liberal . . . they are indeed intellectually handicapped.
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charles116
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 8:44pmtired, so tired.
Even the GOP has instructed its members after the Romney defeat – lay off abortion.
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commonsenseguy
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:21amyou know this country is screwed when legally hunting becomes a social issue, just as with every other bullsh*t legal law the left has to make it some kind of social bullsh*t issue, the deer was shot legally the end of story, just wait until they start bitching about how fish or caught with a hook, my bad they already have started bitching by trying to make it illegal to use barbed hooks, next thing you know we will have to use our hands to kill a deer and catch fish, aren’t social issues great,
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hauschild
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:28amBingo.
It’s more selective outrage amongst the masses.
Still, people have the nerve to claim this country’s best days are ahead of her???
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muffythetuffy
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:35amWOW, I SURE WOULD LIKE TO HARVEST ONE OF THOSE WHITE BUCKS TOO
Hunters from around the world are heading traveling to that town. If its legal that does not matter to Liberals if you are a conservative.
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commonsenseguy
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:42amfunny that the key word was “‘ selective”‘ because that is what these nut jobs do,select an issue and make it out like it is law,when it is not,but if they say it is enough,then by god it is law, only ignorant people would believe such crap, damn, half this great country is ignorant and will do what they are told, they are like cattle in a feed lot,they just eat until it is time to be slaughtered and so will these ignorant idiots who follow these commie loving social issue making morons all the way to the slaughter house,and with these idiots helping put obama and the democrats back in power we all will be lead to the feed lot where the food is great and then wham a bullet to the head and then on to the slaughter house.
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:48amI live in the South, and many of the guys that I know would just look at that deer and comment “Them’s good eatin.”
And, they would be right too. I’m thinking of some venison chili about now.
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Zipit
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 10:03amLove the stuff RJJ, but it makes me fart like a banshee!
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goahead.makemyday
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 10:17amRJJINGADSDEN
Don’t forget venison sausage, I prefer it to regular sausage. Have you had a venison burger?
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kettererbg
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:20amI knew a guy that shot a real albino fawn, pink eyes and all. Said it wasn’t natural. If it wasn’t natural, why is it there? Regardless, we told him that the American Indians believe such animals were touched by the great spirit and it was very bad luck to kill them. He didn’t give a sh##. Within a year, he was in prison. Within two years he was dead of cancer, still in prison. So, you wise akers, sit back and watch and see what happens when you kill an animal that has as much right to live as you, maybe even more so. I like to hunt, but I’ll be damned if I will ever kill an albino anything.
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SquidVetOhio
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:51amIf it had as much right to live as me, God would have given him an opposable thumb to be able to shoot back.
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SquidVetOhio
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:55amSo you knew a cancer ridden felon who like to hunt. What’s your point?
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SquidVetOhio
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:20amMight as well shoot it. We know it couldn’t dance or dunk a basketball.
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Eastinfection
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:44amProbably voted for Scott Walker, too.
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SREGN
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 11:04amNow why isn’t this a hate crime? If the deer was black the media would be all over this. Where’s All Sharpton and Jesse Jackson?
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love the kids
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:16amSo there is an “Unwritten code” that you don’t shoot the white deer, only the brown ones? This sounds very racial to me. Now the Rev. Blitzen and Jesse Cupid will show up and create a huge mess.
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pt417
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 12:57pmTHIS IS PROFILING, I am also calling the Rev. FurryKohmet and Mellithhhaa Harrith-Prancer!!!
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SquidVetOhio
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:15am“Big deal. I killed a black polar bear with a bo staff”
-Napolean Dynamite
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ginger100
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:13amWhite on white, it’s Old Milwaukee time
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Mandors
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:12amMost sports have their unwritten rules. Hunting is no different. Just because you can do something, doesn’t mean you should. So in this sense, killing the white deer, when ” you’re not supposed to” is in fact a “social” or “moral” issue.
FYI: All large mammals in North America, black bears, moose, deer, bison, have a latent gene for white fur. It is not albinism, rather biologists believe it is a carry over from Ice Ages.
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commonsenseguy
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:30amhey moron, you need to stop confusing social and moral issues with real law, that is what is wrong with this country, if you really believe that social and moral issues trump legal law,then you would have not help reelect obama, because he is a socialist ‘ communist loving,anti constitution,blame whites for everything, unequal justice president, the moral issue is should we vote for a guy who hates this country and would love nothing better than to bring her down so he can help the u n and george soros get control and start their own “‘ new world order “‘ or would it be better to elect a president who works for the people,not the other way around and believe in freedom to to chose and the constitution is law, you help decide that social issues are more important than real law,thanks but no thanks you can stuff your social issues up your nose,i will stick with written law.
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jhrusky
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:52amDon’t waste your time on trying to explain where science thinks white fur came from in these animals — many here don’t believe in science and some not even the ice age. If it doesn’t fit with their talking points, then it cannot be true.
And @commonsenseguy … really? From your post, your name is not the least bit indicative of whom you are. Law should be (and is in many cases) based upon moral issues. Perhaps a trip back to 6th grade Civics class would be beneficial to you.
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Atrum Angelis
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 10:12am@Commonsenseguy:
Isn’t the abortion debate a moral issue that trumps legal law, at least for the pro-life side?
Laws become laws because they were first moral issues. People fight for what they believe is morally right and wish to be codified into law.
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SquidVetOhio
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 11:00amI believe in an ice age, just not when evolutionists claimed it happened. That’s based on real science, not what the religious timeline of evolution preaches. All of their dating makes assumptions that can not be proved by science. Only by their secular religion.
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jhrusky
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 11:23am@ squidvetohio
Curious when you think the [last major] ice age happened?
I think conventional science has it at around 12000 B.C. ?
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Walkabout
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 12:00pmHow is more or less moral to kill a deer with an allele that code for one color as opposed to another?
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4truth2all
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 12:42pm” conventional science” says there is no God … so they got that wrong.
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jhrusky
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 1:35pm@ 4truth2all
“‘conventional science’ says there is no God … so they got that wrong.”
So does that mean that conventional science will always be wrong?
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Atrum Angelis
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 3:20pm@4truth2all – ” conventional science” says there is no God … so they got that wrong.
“Conventional science” says nothing on God. Science has no means of answering the question “Does God exist?”
Science is neutral on the subject.
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4truth2all
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 6:26pmYo Jhrusky:
Only when it goes against scripture … which you seem to be willing to compromise. Which would then mean that scripture is incorrect.
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4truth2all
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 6:32pmYo Angels:
Science is neutral only in the opinions of men but NOT in it’s testimony to a creator and scientists or many are biased saying that it goes against scripture thus disproving it by their theories }…proof.
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jhrusky
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 6:46pm@ 4truth2all
“Only when it goes against scripture … which you seem to be willing to compromise. Which would then mean that scripture is incorrect.”
Can you please point me to a statement I’ve made where I am willing to compromise? I don’t recall one, but then again, perhaps you have better insight on what I think than I do.
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4truth2all
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 10:27pmYo Jhrusky:
Based on your comments to others you do not seem to adhere to the 6 days of creation. If I am incorrect on that … my apologies.
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jhrusky
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 11:27pm@ 4truth2all
You are correct in that I don’t try to box God in and say He only used 6 of OUR days into His creation. I believe a day is as a thousand years to God, as a thousand years is to a day. Why do we want to confine Him and His doings into our terms and finite-ness? Can we even understand what He does and how He does it?
That said, it matters not for one’s salvation if they believe God created everything upon this earth in 6 of our days or 6 million years.
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goahead.makemyday
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 10:22amMy Grandfather has a saying.
“If it’s not salvation, then it’s debatable.”
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SquidVetOhio
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 4:01pmBelieving what God says is not “boxing Him in”. You have boxed yourself into your own pride. But, here’s you problem: If the days (the jewish word yom which ALWAYS means a 24 hour day) in Genesis actually means millions of years, then how did the plants survive since they were created on day 3 and the sun on day 4? Am I expected to believe they survived that long with sunlight?
You should really learn what Creationists believe and the actual science behind our theory before you start trying to debate with us. We don’t just believe because the Bible tells us so. You might find out that the actual provable science aligns more with our theory than with old earth creationism or evolution.
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SquidVetOhio
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 4:04pmAnd I said real provable science. That’s much different than “conventional science”. Remember, conventional science once claimed the earth was flat and that the sun revolved around it.
Conventional science also use to claim that a black skinned man wasn’t as highly evolved as a white skin man. OH WAIT, it still does…….
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4truth2all
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 11:12amYo Jhrusky:
I don’t tell God, I let Him tell me! He has created a box for us to stay IN.
Futher … do the math, the lame ( not you ) example of the thousand- day stuff does not work .. it is a statement of Gods existance outside of time.
God is creating time – the measurement in which His creation will function IN GENESIS days/weeks/months/years.
AND YES it is a matter of salvation to those taught evolution which says the bible is a lie. I quite frankly get rather pissed that christians play right into the hands of the enemy that say’s “it not a big deal”, all the while infiltrating the front line blinding us to this breech … why ? LACK OF FAITH. We let the theories of science water down the truth of Gods Word … NOT ME DUDE !
It is a big deal and it is sad many do not see it !!!!!
Also … it does appear I was correct in my post and have NO need to apologize …
I however, do not let this difference of understanding make enemies of true brothers …peace
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BlackCrow
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:10amIf it’s legal and in range its mine.
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The Jewish Avenger
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:15amDing!
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Landon410
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:21ami’m with ya, if its in season, and i have a tag, its down, I wishi i had a shot at a piebald deer, that’d be a great wall mount in my hunting cabin!
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THXll38
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 12:12pmHence why they make laws. Because people like you will take advantage of them. This coming from and alleged conservative is rather disappointing considering we are the party of self-govern and small government. Taking advantage of things and not thinking morally and rationally is what causes rules and regulations. There now be a good chance that this may become state and/or local law now.
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justangry
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 9:54amTrue. But, if I wanted to be invited back again to hunt in that area, I’d respect local customs.
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calmglass
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:09amI bet they wouldn’t have had a problem with it had it been a BLACK deer!
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Walkabout
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:18amAre people this superstitious?
The left claims the hate religion & are scientific, but they go in for the albino animal superstition like the American Indians, the Europeans & the Africans. LOL ! :)
Or maybe because the read J.R.R. Tolkein & have a soft spot for the White Stag of European lore.
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jhrusky
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:54amOr perhaps, @walkabout, it’s more to respect the beliefs of others. What a concept, eh?
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Bah-Zing
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 10:26amActually the “black” deer is just as rare, if not more coveted than the white deer.
This is such a stupid issue, moral vs. legal vs social. …Law is the only one you can trust to be your guide, in how you CAN act- -if you dont want to kill the deer, “shrug” then go back to the bar, with the other whiners, who have done nothing to “protect” these deer in the first place, ….except for to cry “its an unwritten rule” Bull, make it a written rule if it bothers you so much! Or shut your pie hole.
commonsenseguy- You are absolutely right, it is what is wrong with this country. All the people in the Senate, The House, and all the cabinet members along with Rice, Obama, Clinton, and the UN need to be shuffled out with the evening trash, to be replaced with humans that want to “work ” for US!! THOSE people are not even in these Government positions for US any longer, those “representatives”of the American people, who the MAJORITY of the American people want.
NOT for those people who fraudulently and illegally voted and HAVE been voting who are NOT citizens. who have been sucking off Americas teet far too long as it is,
AND WE JUST KEEP TAKING IT…what is wrong with everyone? Are we that complacent to not all see & know the path we are rolling along on?
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jhrusky
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 10:35am@ bah-zing
“… with the other whiners, who have done nothing to “protect” these deer in the first place, ….except for to cry “its an unwritten rule” Bull, make it a written rule if it bothers you so much! Or shut your pie hole.”
Don’t ASSume that everyone who is for respecting life of all sorts do nothing to ‘protect’ these animals. Some of us (I hope many, but I know some) do.
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Walkabout
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 11:53amjhrusky
What is the difference between me hunting & an Eskimo. Neither of us need to do it for subsistence.
We do it for tradition. My ancestors have hunted for the last 200+ years.
They probably hunted in Europe until some king or noble put the forests off limits so that they had exclusive use. Then they probably hunted illegally & said f/ck the aristocrats!
It was a big deal when my father had refurbish a gun he had originally bought as a present for my grandfather & they both gifted it to me.
I would encourage people to hunt just as I would encourage them to have a garden even if it is a small planter box in an apartment in NYC. It makes you a better person.
People should be like the Facebook Founder & butcher their own meat at least once in their life.
where to go with your nebulous comment. Respect other? So hunters should respect others, but the others don’t have to respect hunters. Where to go with that?
Even chimpanzees our nearest biological relatives hunt. I’ve seen the films.
Repsect what? The Vegan Tofu eaters? What do they know? I eat Tofu regularly & know what ethnic groups prefer what type of Tofu. The Vegans are fakers
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jhrusky
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 12:17pm@ walkabout
“What is the difference between me hunting & an Eskimo. Neither of us need to do it for subsistence.”
Don’t believe I’ve said there as a difference. You use the meat, that is good. You dont’ seem to kill for the simple thrill of killing. That is what I am against. I hope you also do not allow an animal to suffer and in the case of a non-lethal shot, track, find, and put down the deer quickly.
“where to go with your nebulous comment. Respect other? So hunters should respect others, but the others don’t have to respect hunters. Where to go with that?”
No, we should all respect one another. If I go to an area where there is a belief to not do X, I am going to not do X and respect that belief.
“Even chimpanzees our nearest biological relatives hunt. I’ve seen the films.”
I think you are mistaking me with someone else as I’ve never come out against hunting :)
“Repsect what? The Vegan Tofu eaters? What do they know?”
Respect others. If someone wants to be a vegan, more power to them. My wife is a strict vegetarian and I can assure you she does everything in her power to ensure there are no animal products in the food she eats (not vegan, but vegetarian). She is healthy and that is her choice. She tries to force that choice upon no one … not even me. I, similarly, do not try to force my choice of consuming meat upon her. That is respect.
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Walkabout
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 12:54pmjhrusky
You don’t seem to kill for the simple thrill of killing. That is what I am against. I hope you also do not allow an animal to suffer and in the case of a non-lethal shot, track, find, and put down the deer quickly.
If I let an animal suffer, my old man would not let me hear the end if it.
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No, we should all respect one another. If I go to an area where there is a belief to not do X, I am going to not do X and respect that belief.
If there is a country with many different beliefs, it is not possible to not offend someone. It depends if it is public or private land & what the laws are. If a person allows me to hunt their land for squirrels & rabbits but not deer (& I have a deer license also). Then I am only going to hunt squirrels & rabbits & say thankyou.
If I am on public land & the law says I can hunt deer, I am not going to worry about someone in the county not wanting me to hunt deer of any color. I might not hunt a white on or black one, if someone just like them because they are rare & for aesthetics purposes. It all depends on how they have treated me or what kind of person they are.
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The Jewish Avenger
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:09am“the outrage of residents in Sauk County over the legal shooting of white deer.”
And as we know, if its really only <1-10% of them, they have a larger voice then the rest….
So sick of this crap. Is it legal? Then STFU.
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SquidVetOhio
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:08amHe killed whitey. I figured liberals would love that.
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The Jewish Avenger
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:05amThis is lunch, NOM NOM NOM NOM
Nice prize, tell the cry babies to go home.
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upstatenyteabagger
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:05amWhat a beautiful deer, anyway they have alot of these deer in upstate new york over in cayuga county in a old army depot. People leave them alone here because they say to kill one is bad luck. I am also sure this buck fathered alot of other ones due to his size and antlers, he has been around for a while
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TheMajority
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:05amA lion would grab the slowest one, definatly the one with the genetic defect if an adult, It makes the heard stronger. It becomes immoral when humans do it to humnas.
These protesters think backwards. They are the same people who will get a dog for the family, and pick the worst runt of the litter.
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progressiveslayer
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:28amThose protesters would probably be among the first to perish when society collapses,that would ensure a stronger society.
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jhrusky
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 10:16am@ themajority
“A lion would grab the slowest one, definatly the one with the genetic defect if an adult, It makes the heard stronger. It becomes immoral when humans do it to humnas.”
I suspect that’s because humans are supposed to have a belief system and morality while lions do not.
@ progressiveslayer
“Those protesters would probably be among the first to perish when society collapses,that would ensure a stronger society.”
Some would, many would not. Just because some of us loves life of all sorts doesn’t make us weak. We have nothing against hunting so long as it’s done respectfully of the animal; to not allow suffering and for the purpose of food rather than just a trophy to hang on the wall. The need to prove oneself and hang a trophy of a lesser species on their living room wall leads me to believe such a person must feel a need to prove him/herself to others. Why they feel this need is questionable but one would think they must feel some inadequacy in life.
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texashuntre
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 11:37amJHR Why can you not have food and have a trophy of your hunt on the wall? Just because we put the skin of the animal on the wall does not mean the rest does not go to good dinners. DEER ARE OVER POPULATED! Let one total your chevy volt and maybe you would wish things a little differently.
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jhrusky
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 11:53am@ texashuntre
“… and for the purpose of food rather than just a trophy to hang on the wall”
You may have missed the complete sentence so I posted the relevant part above for you. The word “just” is an important concept of the statement.
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progressiveslayer
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 2:13pmJHR Yeah the whole trophy hunting thing is okay as long as the animal is consumed. If you’re killing just for a trophy you have issues,except if there’s an overpopulation like ole Tex said,then the herd should be culled to keep the deer from starving to death.
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eternal_vigilance
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:04amWow, THIS is a moral issue? Maybe a spiritual one. So, don’t spiritualize me bro. Are they going to eat it? Taking a trophy is a moral issue.However what is “customary” in their area is just that and like the woman said. If they come in here (her bar) they’ll get a piece of her mind. Her bar, her mind.
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The Jewish Avenger
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:10amTheir money… Her “going out of business” sale
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jhrusky
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 10:18am@ the_jewish_avenger
If the majority of people in her area feel as she does, then her bar may well prosper if she stands up for her beliefs as well as those of others in the area. A few out-of-towners who come in for a week a year are not going to break any business.
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SquidVetOhio
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 11:04am“A few out-of-towners who come in for a week a year are not going to break any business.”
Clearly you know squat about the travel/tourism business.
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jhrusky
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 11:29am@ squidvetohio
“Clearly you know squat about the travel/tourism business.”
Clearly you know squat about what you speak here. The discussion was about a local bar and hunters who came here for a week of hunting who took a white deer. In the story the locals are unhappy that these out-of-towners took the white deer, thus they are siding with the local bar. Most local bars survive on proceeds from local residents. There is nothing in the story to make anyone believe this is a tourist town and businesses survive there on tourism. Reading comprehension goes a long, long way.
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DougHuffman
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:04am“Informal code” HA! Even grandmas will not step out without their blaze-orange complimenting their blue ****. As though their grandsons are too incompetent, too poor shots to avoid not-deer.
Wisconsinites are frequently not allowed to hunt with rifles for their longer range.
Good people ought to be armed as they will, with wits and Guns and the Truth. Hope4Change Damn progs
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jhrusky
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 10:20am“Wisconsinites are frequently not allowed to hunt with rifles for their longer range”
Huh?
Perhaps you should know something about that with which you want to spout off about before you begin typing.
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Zipit
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 11:02amRUSKY! You might want to check into that before spouting off yourself! Deer hunting in many places is restricted to “shotgun” firing slugs to prevent the round from traveling longer distances in more heavily populated areas!
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jhrusky
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 11:31am@ zipit
As usual, you are mistaken.
Better check yourself. I know what the laws here in Wisconsin are and in the vast majority of the places where deer hunting goes on, rifles are the weapon of [legal] choice.
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Zipit
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 1:22pmI agree! rifles are the weapon of choice, however, your arrogance trumps your knowledge! I said nothing about Wisconsin! My mistake. Your conversation nonetheless was about Wisconsin, so…….2012 Wisconsin Deer Hunting Regulations; pg’s 19-21! http://dnr.wi.gov/files/PDF/pubs/wm/WM0431.pdf
Doug’s statement; “Wisconsinites are frequently not allowed to hunt with rifles for their longer range” was right, and you are wrong!
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jhrusky
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 1:47pm@ zipit
“I agree! rifles are the weapon of choice, however, your arrogance trumps your knowledge!”
There is no arrogance in my posts. If you are reading that into them, then the problem is with you.
“Doug’s statement; “Wisconsinites are frequently not allowed to hunt with rifles for their longer range” was right, and you are wrong!”
I am apparently seeing a different regulation than you are if you believe he is correct. Page 21 explicitly shows that the areas where rifles are legally used are vastly larger than those where shotguns and muzzle loaders only are used. Perhaps the definition of the word ‘frequently’ is the center of our disagreement?
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Zipit
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 2:45pmRusky! To me, you said, “As usual, you are mistaken”. To Doug, “Huh?Perhaps you should know something about that with which you want to spout off about before you begin typing.” Gee, no arrogance there!
Your skirting the issue! Pg. 20, (Rifles are legal for hunting deer in areas not restricted to shotguns, muzzleloaders, and handguns only, as indicated by the maps on page 21.) Seems pretty clear to me! If there are areas where the use of rifles for deer hunting is restricted, then, “people in Wisconsin are frequently not allowed to hunt with rifles in these areas for their range”. Not huh, but DUH! You were wrong! Admit it…..
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jhrusky
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 4:17pm@ zipit
“To me, you said, ‘As usual, you are mistaken’.”
That was because the posts I have seen from you usually are. More an observation than arrogance.
“To Doug, ‘Huh?Perhaps you should know something about that with which you want to spout off about before you begin typing.’ Gee, no arrogance there!”
On that one, you are correct. That did come off as arrogance. Doug, sorry about that.
“Pg. 20, (Rifles are legal for hunting deer in areas not restricted to shotguns, muzzleloaders, and handguns only, as indicated by the maps on page 21.) Seems pretty clear to me! If there are areas where the use of rifles for deer hunting is restricted, then, “people in Wisconsin are frequently not allowed to hunt with rifles in these areas for their range”. Not huh, but DUH! You were wrong! Admit it…..”
I don’t believe I was wrong. MOST places in Wisconsin allow rifle hunting and are NOT restricted. Again, I go back to the definition of ‘frequently’. To me that statement sounds like it’s the norm to NOT be allowed to use a rifle when, in fact, it’s the exception.
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Benjamin Jarvis
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 8:44pmGreat semantics battle guys. Wholly waste of time. Yeah, top 2/3rds of the state is rifles, bottom 1/3rd is shotguns/handguns, been that way for a very long time. Human population is, of course, concentrated heavily in the bottom 1/3rd.
I believe you can still use muzzle loaders state wide. Pretty funny breakin out the DNR handbook there.
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Zipit
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 8:14amThanks Ben! Should have had you in at the top of the story! But JH would have found a way to prove you wrong in his usual demeaning fashion! You are right, semantics! He Is big on them, especially when his argument is less than credible! Waste of time, you betcha! But I got a pie in the oven, and he needs his chain yanked a little.
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IndyGuy
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:03amSince it’s white it wouldn’t blend into the environment, which is critical for survival of deer…Personally I wouldn’t have shot it…..But it would likely fall prey to a wildcat or some other predator in no time…
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DougHuffman
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:14amIndyguy, as in Indianapolis, the ‘big city’? A predator large enough to take a deer in Wisconsin? Bwahahaha. They have all been shot.
Here they would rather no predators and too many deer than predators, no deer AND NO TICKS.
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The Jewish Avenger
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:17amFull of deer and no ticks?
Deer ticks?
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jhrusky
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 10:22amJudging from the antlers, it seems to have survived just fine for a number of years. Around here there are a fair number of bona fide white deer that have amazing racks which again makes me believe they are surviving predators like wolves and wildcats just fine.
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IndyGuy
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 10:58am@jhrusky…Perhaps you are right…My guess would be that the predator population has been thinned overwhelmingly in the deer’s favor…
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jhrusky
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 11:34am@ indyguy
Correct. The crazies have went frothing-mad wild over being able to kill wolves and coyotes and once the DNR admits we have a ‘cat’ population, I suspect those, too, will be ‘choices’ for those with a blood-lust to kill some life.
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GuruMeditation
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 12:42pm@DougHuffman: There are big cats here in Indiana. I and others have seen them. A pack of coyotes can take out deer also. And… the only wild predators in Indianapolis, and any other large city for that matter, are the people.
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diverdan
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:03amIt shows a lack of respect for life in general. We spent a year in Montana and a somewhat similar event occurred in the nearby town. The Big Horn Sheep would come down to the high meadows to craze. A life long local, with a valid permit, legally shot the Big Horn Sheep while crazing in the meadow. He was shunned to the point that he moved. Why? It was local custom not hunt any animal that had come down to craze (deer being an exception) because it gave the hunter an unfair advantage. In this case any idiot would know this was an unique animal. People, particularly avid hunters, should be outraged.
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The Jewish Avenger
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:15amThey’re not. They know that white is not that rare for one, two its dead to prey quicker since its camo is botched.
If I can hunt it and legally kill it, I will if I choose to, town pressure that leads to vandalism leads to libs filling my wallet with cash. Don’t like it? Outlaw it. Can’t outlaw it? Then step aside, I have hunting to do.
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jhrusky
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 10:24amSome people will never understand respect for life, @diverdan … especially those that frequent here. They’re mostly about taking what they want and wildlife and clean environment be damned.
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ColoradoMaverick
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:01amBig freakin deal. So he shot a deer that didn’t have any pigment in it’s ****. Why does the color of the deer matter anyway? I thought we were past making judgements based on skin (or ****) color? What if it was a black deer? I bet the homies would riot.
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Zipit
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:10amNice Mav! Lol.
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SpankDaMonkey
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:00am.
Boy he better be glad it was not an all Black Deer…………
Where is Eric Holder on this?……… Oh I forgot it’s a White Deer never mind……..
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DAJ
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 9:00amWho cares! It is just a deer that will be eaten, the head will most likely be mounted and everyone is happy. I wonder if those crying about it ever read or hear in the local news how many drivers are killed or injured each year when deer jump in front of cars.
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jhrusky
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 10:28amTell us, oh wise one, how many people die each year due to a deer jumping out in front of them? Now compare that to how many deer are killed by cars, hunters and other human events?
Now, to get REALLY deep in thought, try to figure out what the difference in intent is about a human being hunting and killing a rare deer vs. a scared deer jumping out in front of an oncoming vehicle. Take your time … it might come to you if you think long and hard enough.
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Not Giving Up
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 11:08am@JHRUSKY
“Tell us, oh wise one, how many people die each year due to a deer jumping out in front of them?”
About 130 per year on average, that number would increase if not for hunting and population control. Hunting is a necessary part of population control, this is fact, not fiction.
The level of ignorance exhibited by save the planet, hug a polar bear types amazes me. If you love “wildlife and clean environment” so much what are you doing using a computer? I assume you drive a car? Eat? You are the biggest hypocrite on here. Why don’t you live true to your belief and stop doing all the aforementioned things. Then you can truly give back to mother nature…
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jhrusky
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 11:41am@ not giving up
“About 130 per year on average, that number would increase if not for hunting and population control. Hunting is a necessary part of population control, this is fact, not fiction.”
I’ve never said hunting was bad if you actually read what I write … I’ve said hunting for the sake of just some need to kill something is what is bad. Trying to make the leap that hunting is justification for car-deer accidents is ridiculous.
“The level of ignorance exhibited by save the planet, hug a polar bear types amazes me. If you love “wildlife and clean environment” so much what are you doing using a computer? I assume you drive a car? Eat? You are the biggest hypocrite on here. Why don’t you live true to your belief and stop doing all the aforementioned things. Then you can truly give back to mother nature…”
You quite obviously know nothing about what I do personally to “save the planet” yet you want to ASSume you do in order to post something. I am about saving the planet, albeit not in the crazy sense that you insinuate. I am about respecting all life. Killing an animal humanely for food is quite OK with me. Killing an animal for pure sport is nothing short of savage. Humans should have evolved past that need by now.
BTW … I don’t believe the earth can only support 500,000,000 people. I do believe, however, that it makes no sense to pollute our earth and we should be looking for ways for all to prosper indefinitely.
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Balthazor
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 12:13pmI’m not a hunter, and I can’t wrap my brain around killing animals for entertainment. Seems sick to me. However, as a Wisconsinite I can tell you that there’s an absurd number of these blasted deer roaming the state, and on an almost daily basis I have to slam on my brakes to avoid hitting one of the things. They’re everywhere. Big antler-sporting rats is what they are around here. All the deer’s natural predators are in relatively small numbers in this state, meaning the deer population has exploded.
What this means is that if the hunters aren’t out there shooting them to thin the herds, then we get an overpopulation and the deer start starving to death and things like chronic wasting disease start spreading like wildfire…or they get hit by cars. Just on the way to work today I passed six of the things dead on the side of the road. So don’t sit there saying that reducing deer car accidents as a justification for hunting is ridiculous, because that just shows you have no idea what you’re talking about. It’s just a matter of simple probability: the more deer killed by hunters, the less deer there are to wander out onto the highway. As much as I loathe the thought of other people killing deer for pleasure, I am horrified by the thought of killing one myself with my car. So I’m thankful for the hunters who can and do kill deer, because they’re helping reduce the odds of that ever happening. I’m thankful that they’re killing deer so I don’t have to.
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jhrusky
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 12:26pm@ balthazor
“So don’t sit there saying that reducing deer car accidents as a justification for hunting is ridiculous, because that just shows you have no idea what you’re talking about. It’s just a matter of simple probability: the more deer killed by hunters, the less deer there are to wander out onto the highway. As much as I loathe the thought of other people killing deer for pleasure, I am horrified by the thought of killing one myself with my car. So I’m thankful for the hunters who can and do kill deer, because they’re helping reduce the odds of that ever happening. I’m thankful that they’re killing deer so I don’t have to.”
I see deer hit often by vehicles as well. But again, hunting deer to prevent car/deer accidents is ridiculous. Hunting is for the purpose of (a) providing meat and (b) reducing numbers of animals that our beloved DNR in their vast knowledge caused population explosions of (by eliminating predators).
I’ve driven for around 40 years and have had 1 accident in which I’ve killed a deer. And at that time, I was young, had a lead-foot and was more busy with the stereo and passing the joint than I was in watching the road ahead of me. Now, that is not to say there are accidents that cannot be avoided as there certainly are. But, many car/deer accidents, I believe, are avoidable. If you drive much, you’ve seen the idiots on the road and the lack of attention many of them seem to have.
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danbarlinmar
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 12:38pmi dont think deer jump in front of cars as if they are just waiting by the side of the road hoping to screw with us. deer are unable to comprehend roads. they see they see a place they want to go, and they go there. sometimes they cross a road. sometimes cars are on those roads. sometimes the cars are able to stop in time and sometimes, for whatever reason, they are not. its not the deer’s fault that it does not understand human concepts like looking both ways and its not a good idea to cross busy roadways. it is also not the humans fault that the deer has a brain the size of… well… a deer’s brain.
its an accident, guys. the deer are not out to get us. they are stupid animals. if you are concerned about deer/car collisions… i dont know, slow down around wooded areas? but you have to accept the fact that the concept of a road is difficult for a deer (and dogs, and cats, and froggers) to understand. talk to a toddler, they will tell you.
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Ironeagle
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 8:59amQ. Why call it a moral issue? A. Because those who do so worship Baal.
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danbarlinmar
Posted on November 28, 2012 at 12:27pmdo you have a scripture reference to support that? thats just kind of a bold claim, and i was wondering if you can back it up.
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