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Charles Krauthammer on Obama’s ‘Insulting’ Fiscal Cliff Offer: ‘Republicans Ought to Simply Walk Away’

Nov. 29, 2012 9:47pm Jason Howerton

Republicans on Thursday rejected the White House’s “offer” of $1.6 trillion in higher taxes over a decade and an immediate infusion of cash. In an attempt to appease Republicans, President Barack Obama offered what Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell called “vague” spending cuts that do not adequately address the nation’s financial woes.

Appearing on Fox News Thursday, Syndicated columnist Charles Krauthammer called the deal “insulting” and advised Republicans to “simply walk away” from the negotiating table.

“It’s not just a bad deal, this is really an insulting deal. What Geithner offered, what you showed on the screen, Robert E. Lee was offered easier terms at Appomattox, and he lost the Civil War,” Krauthammer said. “The Democrats won by 3 percent of the vote and they did not hold the House, Republicans won the house. So this is not exactly unconditional surrender, but that is what the administration is asking of the Republicans.”

He continued: “This idea — there are not only no cuts in this, there’s an increase in spending with a new stimulus. I mean, this is almost unheard of. What do they expect? They obviously expect the Republicans will cave on everything. I think the Republicans ought to simply walk away. The president is the president. He’s the leader. They are demanding that the Republicans explain all the cuts that they want to make.”

Watch the clip below:

Krauthammer pointed out that Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) presented a “serious real budget with real cuts” more than a year ago and Obama not only rejected it, he called it “un-American” in a speech with Ryan sitting in the front row. Further, Obama has offered no counter measures on Medicare and real spending cuts, he explained.

“And they expect the Republicans are going to do this again?” Krauthammer asked. “The Republicans are going to walk on this. And I think they have leverage…He’s going to have a recession, 9 percent unemployment, 2 million more unemployed, and a second term that’s going to be a ruin. That is not a good proposition if you are Barack Obama.”

(H/T: Real Clear Politics)

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usa91773
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 11:31pm
Obama is got an unbeatable hand, Royal Straight Flush , unbeatable. He wants to raise taxes on the rich and protect Social Security. The majority of voters agree , check who won on Nov. 6th.

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- pdw
  Posted on November 29, 2012 at 11:39pm
  Their problem is they think he is going to take care of them while killing off more of the population.
  
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- satman40
  Posted on November 29, 2012 at 11:43pm
  Problem is the majority is not paying the bills.
  
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- DIgnified
  Posted on November 29, 2012 at 11:47pm
  @sat. You’ve been saying that for months as a group. Can anyone go further in the explanation than this^?
  
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- MDECKER
  Posted on November 30, 2012 at 12:07am
  I agree with Dr. Krauthammer and, last I checked, there is still a Republican Majority in the House that was again re-elected. There is no compromising with a bunch of hippies that are bent on playing with everyone else’s money. Let the President and his clan do the damage themselves this time.
  
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- swornsongs
  Posted on November 30, 2012 at 12:09am
  You’re a fool if you think raising taxes is going to save social security. First off, the amount of money generated in the new taxes won’t come close to saving the current social security program as we know it. Second, entitlement spending is going up at an unsustainable rate… ObamaCare has now cost 3x more than first projected, and it hasn’t even been implemented yet. Stimulus funds are still going to volatile companies like Solyndra and will never be recovered. This administration’s spending is out of control, and there is not even a shred of evidence that Obama has any desire to balance a budget and cut spending (he hasn’t in 4 years). So, you may be right that Obama may be holding a royal flush right now, but remember what always happens to a house of cards…
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on November 30, 2012 at 12:20am
  “Obama is got an unbeatable hand….”
  
  Not true. We have a better hand – A PAIR OF PAULS. Two Pauls beat any other hand. Lol – i am mostly kidding but you get the point
  
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- DontTreadOnTEA
  Posted on November 30, 2012 at 1:16am
  @USA – Correct Obama won. Time for him to lead. Leadership is about getting something done with some ideas. His Tax the rich populous theme worked… and he’ll get it, but when the facts come out that taxing isn’t enough to do anything but get us 8 days more of spending then it is about time for some leadership from him on spending cuts. The Republicans had a solution.. time for an idea on the Dems side. 3.5 years and nothing from Harry Reid… crickets over there. Put an idea on the table or resign.
  
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- John_The_Beloved
  Posted on November 30, 2012 at 2:29am
  All the wasted money, foreign aid and gun running in other countries could sure up Social Security and Medicare.
  
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- FugMan
  Posted on November 30, 2012 at 2:37am
  Obama wont be able to pass anything without the House. You are a stupid Liberal. Dont give the Democrats an inch Republicans. Two years from now we will have the Senate.
  
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- FieldJudge
  Posted on November 30, 2012 at 2:48am
  San Dumb@ss, He’s got a Royal Toilet Flush… Those are beatable.
  
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- DMENTED
  Posted on November 30, 2012 at 3:39am
  I see it coming. The whole RINO party will be the Joker in the ‘spirit of bipartisanship’. Susan Rice will be the Secretary Of State. too. They’re to the point of doing what the hell they want to with impunity and a little song and dance.
  
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- fordfan
  Posted on November 30, 2012 at 5:06am
  @USA91773:
  The majority of voters agree , check who won on Nov. 6th.
  Can you hear yourself? Do you realize how silly you sound?
  
  Just because there was a majority of those who voted for this idiot does not give that majority the power to rule over the minority. Last I checked, this isn’t and never has been a democracy
  
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- RobertHere
  Posted on November 30, 2012 at 5:41am
  Majority? A plurality to be sure but most certainly NOT a majority–they did not take the House. Now if enough of those Republicans in the House have the stones to say NO is to be seen,
  
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- GETLIFE
  Posted on November 30, 2012 at 5:49am
  The Progressives are not going to put anything significant on the table. They are laughing at us ever since they won the elections through the media’s complicit “dumbing down” of America.
  They KNOW the famous tax hikes will have no effect on the deficit.
  They KNOW where they are leading us.
  Yes, they are still in campaign mode because they still have to sell the idea that where they are leading us is somehow the Republicans’ fault.
  
  Republicans should walk away. They should declare the Dems to be a pack of Progressive liars who know that what they are “offering” to do is drive us over the cliff. Maybe then somebody would listen to them. We all see they are negotiating with liars. They just look like fools. The Progressives are succeeding in their intended destruction of our economy. And the Republicans should refuse one-way negotiations– and do it together. To get around the Obama-Doberman-media, REFUSE TO TALK TO THEM. Just ACT and speak through conservative media. Let the msm only have leftist talking heads. It gets old real fast….
  
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- nachodadi
  Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:52am
  So what….he won! He still has to lead. When the makers are done being robbed, the takers will wither on the vine. We will survive without you. Can you survive without us?
  
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- Garman1
  Posted on November 30, 2012 at 7:32am
  $1.6T over ten years ….wow $160B a year. Are people and the president this stupid–I would be laughing too. We are running a $1.5T annual deficit. Not to mention they are base line budgeting every year adding 3%+ in spending.This is proof positive that the taxing the top 2% will do nothing to solve our financial problems. Solution: Other than the military cut 5% of the budget from every agency and the Pres, VP, and all of Congress salaries just like all major corprations are having to do. Less taxes for all = more growth.
  
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- Oldphoto678
  Posted on November 30, 2012 at 7:55am
  Here’s the real problem that you righties have. We keep hearing that the majority will blame the republiCONs if it all goes south, but the reality is that more than blaming the republiCONs the majority will blame the obstructionist tea party. In 2014 the majority won’t forget who really caused the problem. The tea party. Keep it up. The track you’re on is working out really well for my side
  
  Happy holidays.
  Rodney
  
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- usa91773
  Posted on November 30, 2012 at 8:01am
  The GOP needs new ideas, the label of being old racist white guys throwing granny off the cliff has stuck. How about increasing Social Security benefits to workers who have worked throughout their lives , bring the payouts above poverty levels and add an incentive to retire earlier like 60, not raise the age (unpopular). This would open up jobs for youth , solving the unemployment problem , more money circulating in the economy. Pay for it by lifting the cap , currently at $106,000 or so. This would raise huge revenues and be popular. GOP back in the charge not getting kicked out of DC.
  
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- poorrichard09
  Posted on November 30, 2012 at 8:34am
  0bozo is a BIG bluffer (aka liar.) They should say “we won’t be able to agree, so 0bama’s plan will just go though.”
  0bama knows what a economy killer his plan is-he doesn’t want it either. He just wants to demagogue the Repubs and paint them as the evil ones (again.)
  Call his bluff-then watch how fast he backpedals. IMHO
  
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- ambrosia
  Posted on November 30, 2012 at 8:37am
  Boehner & crew MUST be the ones to walk softly & carry a big stick.
  
  Oblameo passed his plastic baton
  onto Little Lord Fauntleroy Geithner to force a deal.
  
  Deal? What deal ?
  There’s NO deal, there’s NO plan, there’s no vision, no resolve-
  once again, Oblameo comes up dry…just like always.
  
  His socialist brain operates on one cylinder,
  the Solyndra cylinder-
  how to grab more revenue & redistribute stimulus.
  
  Boehner better say NO-
  or there will be a taxpayers’ revolt.
  What will the Boy-King do then ?
  Haul us all behind bars & confiscate our property & worldly goods ?
  
  How will he explain to his fools, fritters & freeloaders
  that there will be no more ObamaPhones
  & gourmet handouts ?
  
  He wants his 2nd term to prove his grandeur-
  he screwed America during his first term,
  it’s America’s turn to screw him during his final term.
  
  He’s rotten, he’s incompetent, he’s a bully he’s a bust !
  NOTHING’S changed,
  nothing is going to change,
  he doesn’t want to work with anyone,
  he doesn’t want to even make an effort to plow through the tough work at hand-
  which he created.
  All he wants to do is stand there, waving his finger at America,
  reminding us HE is president, he got the mandate to RULE.
  UP YOURS, Tyrant
  & up the wazoo of any politician who does not stand up to this monster
  & does not serve the American citizen.
  
  Bluff him out & make him blink-
  if not, let him rot in his own socialist stink.
  Ditto for ObamaMedia !
  
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- quiltgal
  Posted on November 30, 2012 at 10:46am
  Obama won by playing the race card and the class warfare card and the entitlement card. That’s because a majority of voters apparently have little or no understanding of economics and the impact not reforming social security and other entitlements will have. Neither do they understand that a small minority of productive “rich” citizens cannot support a large majority of unproductive ones without jobs. Although you may gleefully declare Obama and his majority of voters hold all the cards, in the end nobody wins this dangerous game in which the majority of voters are guided more by emotion than reason. You will see.
  
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- dshevlin
  Posted on November 30, 2012 at 11:46am
  Taxing the rich will not work, won’t make a dent in the fiscal cliff. Repubs walk or not the dems will be in trouble both ways because the math simply does NOT work. Serious lack of math skills on the left. The increase on 200K or over is on personal INCOME tax, correct? If correct there is your first RED flag. SS is funded with PAYROLL taxes, NOT personal income taxes. According to the SS law only PAYROLL deposits may go in to the SS trust fund. SS SURPLUS $ is what is lawful to take out of SS and put in the general account, left behind is an IOU and upon a SS deficit, then the general account MUST by law deposit ( pay back ) the money they took PLUS interest. SO – taxing yearly personal income tax filers goes in to the general account, it is not enough to re-pay SS plus interest and it also means we would have to TRUST the federal gov. to take that “extra” rich income tax and put it in the SS trust fund as a re-pay of the loans taken. Pay us back? HA! That is hilarious, they want us to PAY MORE. They think we owe them! People believe this crap. Well in my humble opinion it is a fat chance of NOT going to SS because there are SSI programs in need of the extra income. SSI is a welfare program and SSI came from SS surplus $.
  
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- Tom70
  Posted on November 30, 2012 at 1:54pm
  Ah! Yes the LIE of Lie’s, he has no intention of saving SS he’s already stolen $650B from SS for Obamacare and will end us old farts on SS with his death panels.
  Suck it up Jack we are in very deep sewage.
  
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- wildwood
  Posted on December 1, 2012 at 12:26pm
  HE has not made on propsoal to fix social security, gutted medicare for obama backroom care
  aLL HE WANT IS MORE MONEY TO SQUANDER!!
  wHO ELECTED OBAMA????. PUTIN WAS RIGHT IT WAS THE ILLERATE AMERICANS
  
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- wildwood
  Posted on December 1, 2012 at 12:29pm
  i FORGOT TO ADD, THE BACKBONE OF AMERICA THAT PAYS ALL THE GOVERNMENT WORKERS A BIG SALARY DID NOT VOTE FOR HIM !!!
  
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DizzyGrandma
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 11:13pm
I know I wasted my time, but I email leadership and phoned in also. My message was a polite “Cut the Crap” and no deals. You cannot make deals with the devil. O had the nerve to also ask for unlimited borrowing power for debt limit w/o Congress’s approval (Wall Street Journal). Impeachment and recall petitions are the only out that I can see while we all do a great imitation of ‘Thelma and Louse’!!!

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- Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
  Posted on November 29, 2012 at 11:17pm
  Absolutely, the Democrats and Obama have crossed the line completely, they want more than an unconditional surrender – they want a dictatorship under Obama.
  
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- DarkJello
  Posted on November 29, 2012 at 11:18pm
  The constant spinning of reality by politicians has given my vertigo.
  
  There is only 1 path left for America, the gauntlet. Hope for a touch o’ mercy.
  
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- NHwinter
  Posted on November 30, 2012 at 7:13am
  There is another way, but it will not happen. We should have a tax revolt. Stop paying taxes en masse.
  
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- tdunn626
  Posted on November 30, 2012 at 8:07am
  You know you’re right! You can’t make deals with the devil. Obama wins either way whether he redistributes wealth or drives us over the fiscal cliff. EITHER WAY OBAMA WILL REMAKE THE ECONOMY IN HIS IMAGE – If it takes destroying it first it matters not to this progressive elitist.
  
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Runpainfultruth
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 11:06pm
If the republicans give in and raise taxes it will mean the death of the GOP on a national scale. And the dems will have a shot at taking the house back in 2014. The house should pass a bill raising the debt limit and cutting spending. Real cuts. Then make it known that is the only bill they will pass. This gives dems the ability to vote for it to prevent the fiscal cliff. And let’s GOP not raise taxes. However that is wishful thinking. GOP will give in and dems will gain control of the house is the likely Boehner path. May god have mercy on our souls!

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- The-Monk
  Posted on November 29, 2012 at 11:23pm
  I seem to remember that the Senate might still have the “Deem and Pass” rule making the House useless to make any changes to a Bill the Senate changes.
  
  Remember? That’s how Obamacare got passed. The House sent over a 2300 page Bill and it came out of the Senate at 2700 pages.
  
  It was “Deemed” to be the same 2300 page Bill and “Passed” on to the White House.
  
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- DIgnified
  Posted on November 29, 2012 at 11:49pm
  Take 400 Republican pages out. Back to 2300. Problem solved.
  
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- Pantloadian
  Posted on November 30, 2012 at 8:29am
  “deem and pass” happens in the House
  
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- rickinpa
  Posted on November 30, 2012 at 8:31am
  DUH Dignified simpleton – Ha Ha I’ll bet you’ll be laughing in your children’s faces when they’re paying taxes over 50% like in Europe. DUH I VOTE OBAMA HE PROMISE ME CHEESE
  
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Runpainfultruth
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 11:06pm
If the republicans give in and raise taxes it will mean the death of the GOP on a national scale. And the dems will have a shot at taking the house back in 2014. The house should pass a bill raising the debt limit and cutting spending. Real cuts. Then make it known that is the only bill they will pass. This gives dems the ability to vote for it to prevent the fiscal cliff. And let’s GOP not raise taxes. However that is wishful thinking. GOP will give in and dems will gain control of the house is the likely Boehner path. May god have mercy on our souls!

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Virginia Rebel
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 11:01pm
Let the Democrats run away with it. It will go to hell in a hand basket, and the lefties will no longer have a leg to stand on when they try to argue that their way is best. Their utter failure might even convince some of their most ardent supports to give up. At the very least I think it will sway some of the young and stupid who get all starry eyed about Obama. They might finally realize they have been lied to and duped. I have children who are trying to make their way in the world. They have been stymied right and left by the bad economy. I want to get this over with so that they can get jobs. If the Republicans fight it, it might drag on for a long time. And, of course, the Democrats will use everything they do and try to prove that things aren’t better because the Republicans got in their way. So get out of their way and it will be nobody’s fault but theirs.

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- clusterlizard
  Posted on November 29, 2012 at 11:31pm
  And when everything does come crashing down, do you think the Democrats will get the blame? Facts no longer matter. It’s not possible that they matter, or Obama would not have been re-elected.
  
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- Master.Debater
  Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:14am
  The Obama media will blame every calamity on the Republicans, and we now know that no matter how far people’s own experience is from the narrative, they will believe the propaganda. The concept of an independent media in this country is almost dead.
  
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PIGSWILLNEVERFLY
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 11:00pm
Dr. Jack Wheeler penned a thoughtful letter to the house Republicans published on November 14 by Trevor Loundon…We’ll see if even one of them got this message:

http://www.gulagbound.com/36080/you-have-two-years-to-live-open-letter-to-the-incoming-republican-house-members-of-the-113th-congress/

They should also take Robert Spencer from Jihad Watch advice: He has offered a new pledge to Republicans or any and all politicians. Because it is time from a NEW approach, so here is one:

I solemnly pledge to oppose new tax increases, to work to cut existing tax rates, and to oppose Muslim Brotherhood infiltration in our government and the concomitant dismanteling of our resistance to the jihad and Islamic supremacism.

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Jhooks
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 10:55pm
We went over the cliff years ago. We just haven’t landed yet. I agree, the republicans should walk away. Boehner and Mcconell should urge their members to go back home and campaign, or play golf, or basketball, or go to Vegas. Let it all come crashing down. Bring on the mass starvation and chaos. That’s what I’m hoping for.

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- DarkJello
  Posted on November 29, 2012 at 11:05pm
  I shall call you Mr. Optimistic.
  
  Even if we are falling now, it does not make sense to angle even further to one side so that we can fall a greater distance. I am sure you agree. Out of the frying pan and into the fire, as they say. I don’t wish a collapse on anyone, but it surely will crush many innocent peeps. Very sad, but also necessary to cleanse the inner vessel. Sad panda.
  
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- CANDLEMAKER
  Posted on December 1, 2012 at 10:10pm
  I TOTALLY agree JHOOKS!!! The Republicans HAVE GOT TO WALK AWAY AND then like you said, LEAVE Washington and go home….. the crickets WILL BE SINGING in the rafters!!! Obama and the Dems will be scurrying around and EVERYONE will be watching TV for the update and when MSNBC, CBC, CNN does NOT report anything, people will turn to Fox News and get the REAL story . Krauthammer has GOT to be the one reporting that the Dems would not negotiate and that Obama and the Dems are taking the people OVER THE CLIFF…….It’s TIME to turn the tables on them NOW!!!!! It’s time to go over the cliff and time for pain …..anything to get this country turned around. Time to play hardball with the people who take, take, take from the government and us…time for them TO WAKE UP!!!
  
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abyrd
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 10:38pm
Democrats should walk away too.

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- DarkJello
  Posted on November 29, 2012 at 10:51pm
  lol
  
  He got 51% or 52% of the popular vote, but wants almost the entire pie…
  
  Does anyone really, honestly, in their heart believe our economy will survive this total and complete disregard of Natural Law?? This fudging of America has a purpose. And it does not benefit us, the 1 percenters of the world. (fyi: almost every single american is a 1 percenter).
  
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Daddymac10
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 10:37pm
Charles is right but I think the Republicans don’t have the spine to do it. If spending cuts is not offered then there can be no deal for a tax rate increase. If the spineless Republicans give them everything, we get nothing, and they call this a deal …then it will be time for a 3rd party in 2016 because enough is enough. Want the conservative vote in 2016?? ..I urge the Republicans to grow a backbone & not give in. If we fall off the cliff then so be it. We all deserve to suffer anyway since we chose another 4 years of dictatorship..

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- Salamander
  Posted on November 29, 2012 at 11:32pm
  It doesn’ matter–it’s time for a new Republican Party, anyway! If the Dems think the Republicans are a problem, just wait until the Tea Party reinvents a New Republican Party! Now,that ought to get their attention! And, Republicans, better cleanse yourself of RINOs, think long and hard about principals and craft a coherent slate based on The Declaration of Independence, The Constitution, small government, lower taxes for all, substantially lower spending and a path out of this mess!
  
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- mike_trivisonno
  Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:27am
  I would suggest we cultivate a good number of DINOs who will promise the takers everything they want just to get elected and then go back on the promises and slash as much as they can.
  
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spfoam1
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 10:34pm
Walk away from negotiations and let the democrats own their failures. Negotiating with the democrats is like negotiating with Hamas.

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- Small World
  Posted on November 29, 2012 at 10:54pm
  Totally agree. Rush said it best today. I am so finished with the not so grand rep. party.
  
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SimpleTruths
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 10:29pm
I don’t think anybody on this blog plays chess.

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- seek.the.truth
  Posted on November 29, 2012 at 10:44pm
  Most of us could probably beat your @ss!
  
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- mike_trivisonno
  Posted on November 30, 2012 at 7:01am
  We’re playing Go.
  
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marinedad3
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 10:22pm
walk away like Reagan did at Raykyvk, or this will be just like Bushes “no new taxes “pledge!

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Suzy_Rottenkrotch
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 10:19pm
BODYBAG…”Yup. Like I stated in another post. House GOP should give him the middle finger and
tell him to go F himself and walk away.”

Yes, and a nasty letter would also be appropriate, according to Emily Post.

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- JACKTHETOAD
  Posted on November 30, 2012 at 4:55am
  I tried that already. It’s too damned hard to write with my pinkies up.
  
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denkat56
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 10:13pm
King Obama should just go ahead and do it his way. How come the Democratic party doesn’t have to give up any perks. Free medical, 100% retirement, insider trading , propose your own raises, work only 9months out of the year. Personal cars, use of military aircraft for themselves and their families. All
On our taxes. When do they start sacrificing. When are they held accountable for their actions and lifestyle off our taxes. Why isn’t this ever brought up by king Obama, the king has 15 million in the bank why does he need a paycheck, why doesn’t Michelle buy her own clothes and pay for her own vacations, or better yet only take one vacation a year. You want to save money, if you really looking to save the deficit, show me some sacrifices by you and the other dens.

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- gb123
  Posted on November 30, 2012 at 12:05am
  And a monthly free gas allowance
  
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neverending
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 10:09pm
Not just walk away but run as fast as they can. Let the entire thing collapse – totally. That sorry sob hussein needs to claim the entire mess and no matter what we have to go through makes no difference because we are going to go through it anyway but I want to have the opportunity to see the ignorant americans that gave him another 4 years especially the “we just can’t have a Mormon” in the whitehouse or your country was not worth you getting your lazy arse out to the polls to vote. I have never been more disgusted, angry and just plain detest everyone of them.

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- ConservativeFirst
  Posted on November 29, 2012 at 10:24pm
  I am there with you! I am very angry with a lot of people right now.
  
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DEMOCRATS.ARE.EVIL
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 10:07pm
The Republicans need to walk away. Be conservatives. Let the communists own this. All of it. We’ll dig in and ride the storm out. When the dust settles…we’ll be rid of them.

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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on November 29, 2012 at 10:28pm
  well geez – so it was “give me Romney – or give me death”? Should have went for a Constitutional conservative then, at least you would have something to hang your hat on
  
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- DEMOCRATS.ARE.EVIL
  Posted on November 29, 2012 at 10:35pm
  Well geez…there were no remotely-electable constitutional conservatives in the race. I backed the non-ideological businessman.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on November 29, 2012 at 10:45pm
  and if that “non-ideological businessman” would have won….Would you still be talking about ‘walking away and riding it out”???
  
  If the answer is no – then you are “Give me Romney or give me death”
  If the answer is yes – then you should have supported the best candidate running
  
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- deltaecho
  Posted on November 29, 2012 at 11:17pm
  Soymom – “should have went” hahahaha, English much?
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on November 29, 2012 at 11:29pm
  OK saul alinksy
  
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- DEMOCRATS.ARE.EVIL
  Posted on November 30, 2012 at 7:22am
  SOYBOMB315_II – if it meant raising taxes, yes. Democrats don’t want to raise taxes for purposes of raising revenue, but to bleed the “wealthy” and redistribute. Find us an electable constitutional conservative and I’ll vote for him/her.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on November 30, 2012 at 4:29pm
  electable is in the eye of the beholder. The establishment republicans will tell you that a constitutional conservative is not electable so you will have to go with your heart instead of playing politics
  
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Cosmos102
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 10:05pm
I was listening to Rush Limbaugh today and he doesn’t think Krauthammer is right about Obama’s caring that his 2nd term produces a recession and ends in failure. If you look at Obama’s 1st term, you don’t find Obama doing the things necessary to fix unemployment and a bad economy. The private sector has obviously been an enemy to Obama. The only jobs Obama has created are tax payer funded Gov’t jobs. Point is, Obama wants the Govt to control everything, and this deal that he has handed the Republicans supports that. Even if the Republicans walk away and we go over the Fiscal Cliff, the Democrats get what they want. Higher taxes and a reduced military. It’s a win win for them. It’s going to be a long 4 years.

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- ConservativeFirst
  Posted on November 29, 2012 at 10:21pm
  I listened to Rush and his take on Obama as well. I agree with him about Obama. I think the part that Rush is missing is that the Democrats in the House and Senate do have to run for office again and they do care, at least I think most of them still do, about the economy. That said, right now I think walking away is our best option. I was told once that if you are in a hole, to stop digging. At least walking away will keep us from digging ourselves deeper into the debt hole. Also, when things go so badly, 2014 may be another 2010!
  
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- DEMOCRATS.ARE.EVIL
  Posted on November 29, 2012 at 10:24pm
  I heard Rush, too. The Democrats want us to go over the cliff. No doubt it’s a win win for them, and it’s going to be a long, miserable four years. They’re going to win this battle…but let’s hope we win the war.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on November 29, 2012 at 10:47pm
  i think democrats know there is no ideological Constitutional leadership in the republican party….Without that kind of ideology, the democrats have NOTHING to fear because everything the republicans say will be either liberal or hypocritical.
  
  Perhaps we will be real Constitutional conservatives who can communicate the message
  
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- Cosmos102
  Posted on November 29, 2012 at 11:28pm
  Good point. I didn’t think about the Senate and that their need to get reelected.
  
  I agree about the Republicans walking away. Let this be Obama’s economy. I hope the Republicans will go on a media blitz so the Dems won’t be able to get away with blaming them this time.
  
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love the kids
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 10:05pm
Kets see if the main stream media asks Obummer where the “Balanced approach” is when only taxes go up and spending actually oncreases.

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- johnj834
  Posted on November 29, 2012 at 11:08pm
  Conservatives could walk away and let the Dems do whatever they want. When everything goes south, the media will still blame conservatives. You could send all the Republican congressmen to the other side of the world. The Obama voters will still believe the Republicans caused this upcoming mess. The Obama voters will believe the Democrats are still fighting for them. Gonna be a long four years, unless some Republicans or Libertarians grow testicles and challenge the fraudulent elections.
  
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seek.the.truth
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 10:04pm
Let the annointed ONE lead the way!

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1TrueOne55
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 10:03pm
Obama and the Demoncrats deem themselves the reincarnation of FDR his first term in Office almost mirrored FDR’s first term.
Its a rehash of the 1929 Stock Market Crash because Bill “Slick Willie” Clinton removed the Glass/Stiegel Act of the same era to prevent another crash from happening, how did that work George Soros still futzed with our economy and I’ll bet he made “Billiions” on it. While he’s laughing to the bank with BO in the WH to protect his Open Society’s New World Order. To enact the New World Order you have to completely destroy the US economy.

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love the kids
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 10:03pm
OK, the facts were just stated, and they are the truth, but what do you think the zombie democrats will here from the mainstream? “The Republicans held up a deal that the American public voted for just to give a few millionaires a tax break”.
Can I ask why the Republicans didn’t start out asking the Democrats to put their budget on our desk and then we will put it up for a vote? Then, everything in it they woukd own, now, they will blame it all on the Republicans.

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soybomb315_II
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 10:02pm
yes, republicans should walk away and let the liberty politicians negotiate this thing

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- Cosmos102
  Posted on November 29, 2012 at 10:06pm
  Soybomb, just out of curiosity, do you support Rand Paul?
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on November 29, 2012 at 10:22pm
  yea i support him so far. I dont like everything he says, probably about 90%. He is not Ron Paul, who gets over 95% in my book
  
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- Cosmos102
  Posted on November 29, 2012 at 11:32pm
  I’m listening to him too. I know he wants to legalize marijuana. I don’t support that, but everything else he says I agree with him. Hmmm. Interesting.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on November 29, 2012 at 11:47pm
  Cosmo
  
  An important distinction you must understand…..Rand Paul supports the states deciding their marijuana policy. At the very least, the thinks the feds should make it civil fines instead of criminal punishment. That is a HUGE differance than you saying he wants to “legalize marijuana”.
  
  We cannot afford to get caught up in the old cliches. The establishment republicans have kept the party in the dark for way too long. There is opportunity for liberty on every issue – we must first understand it, and then decide on it
  
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- AlwaysAmazed
  Posted on November 30, 2012 at 12:41pm
  SOP,
  On what 10% do you disagree with Rand Paul?
  On what 5% do you disagree with Ron Paul?
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on November 30, 2012 at 4:34pm
  @Always
  Good question
  
  Things i disagree with….
  RAND PAUL (10%) – Amnesty immigration reform. Romney endorsement
  RON PAUL (5%) – His campaign strategies. He thinks the republican party can be transformed from the inside
  
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vtxphantom
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 10:01pm
obama’s narcissism will be his downfall if the Republicans do not cave. He must be forced to compromise. As Krauthammer says, walk away from this deal.

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- Anonymous T. Irrelevant
  Posted on November 29, 2012 at 10:52pm
  I agree, One way to get to Obama is to make him look bad. Give Obama a list of cuts to be made, walk away. Let Obama make the next move. He has no business in Congresses business, until it comes to him to be signed. Congress needs to let Obama and the rest of the world know that he is not the king of the USA.
  Nothing’s changed since 2010. It’s still Obama’s way or the highway and THAT needs to change.
  
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- Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
  Posted on November 29, 2012 at 11:40pm
  @VTX:
  
  Understand clearly with Obama and his narcissism. While he may indeed be forced to do something it will not necessarily be to compromise. His insanity and ego and narcissism are so huge and disruptive that he may simply go for broke and a direct dictatorship…or he may finally suffer a emotional meltdown.
  
  I have seen narcissists go either way (the go for broke – devil may care) or complete implosion and meltdown.
  
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Obamalarky
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 9:57pm
Come on Boehner, ya know ya want to cave, just do it, let the taxes go up. The Dems always do the cuts later, right. Fool ya once shame on them, full you all the other times shame on you, you spineless Speaker of the House. Pelosi has a bigger pair than you, she is a commie shytt head but at least she has some effing conviction.

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BODYBAG
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 9:50pm
Yup. Like I stated in another post. House GOP should give him the middle finger and
tell him to go F himself and walk away.

Drive it right over the cliff baby. Call them to the mat.

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- drs1969
  Posted on November 29, 2012 at 10:06pm
  That’s what they were elected to do. Shut her down!
  Last year, both the local Republican Reps voted for the debt ceiling increase. I have my doubts they’ll show anymore backbone this time. That’d somehow be Wacist.
  
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- Obamalarky
  Posted on November 29, 2012 at 10:07pm
  You are so right, and regardless, this yellow tinged Congress will be blamed regardless. Let the chips fall, let the utopia begin and fail like all the others have or currently are failing. Then, we rebuild the way the founders had planned it, this time with hard term limits for all branches, yes even those old coot supremes. The useless in office we have would be better off used as soylent green than the oxygen thieves they are now.
  
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- Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
  Posted on November 29, 2012 at 11:38pm
  @Body Bag:
  
  Any more I think that is what Obama and Reid want, or they are pulling a massive bluff and may be wondering if the Republican leadership will cave again as they did in 2010 over sequestration.
  
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- Captain Whamo
  Posted on November 30, 2012 at 11:01am
  The GOP will cave and raise taxes. They always do.
  
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