Sick children and even disabled newborn babies, are reportedly being discharged from NHS hospitals in England only to die slowly at home or in hospices in an unfathomable manner. The innocent children are being put on controversial “death pathways,” once only thought to have involved elderly and terminally ill adult patients.
The Liverpool Care Pathway (LCP), an organization that facilitates end-of-life treatment, is behind the inhumane program. The Daily Mail has learned the process of “withdrawing food and fluid by tube is being used on young patients as well as severely disabled newborn babies.” In other words, patients — young and old — are slowly starved and dehydrated to death.
One doctor, acting as a whistle blower, admitted to starving and dehydrating ten babies to death in the neonatal unit of one hospital in a leading medical journal. The doctor describes it as a 10-day process, during which the baby becomes “smaller and shrunken.”
Roughly 130,000 elderly and terminally ill patients reportedly die on the Liverpool Care Pathway, or “death pathways.” LCP is now being independently investigated at the orders of ministers in England.
The Daily Mail has more details on this tragic story:
The investigation, which will include child patients, will look at whether cash payments to hospitals to hit death pathway targets have influenced doctors’ decisions.
Medical critics of the LCP insist it is impossible to say when a patient will die and as a result the LCP death becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. They say it is a form of euthanasia, used to clear hospital beds and save the NHS money.
The use of end of life care methods on disabled newborn babies was revealed in the doctors’ bible, the British Medical Journal.
The previously mentioned doctor wrote of the pain of watching the slow, forced deaths of newborn babies. One baby’s parents decided to put their infant on the “pathway” because of a “lengthy list of unexpected congenital anomalies,” according to the doctor.
Here’s some of what the doctor wrote in the medical journal [emphasis added]:
The voice on the other end of the phone describes a newborn baby and a lengthy list of unexpected congenital anomalies. I have a growing sense of dread as I listen.
The parents want ‘nothing done’ because they feel that these anomalies are not consistent with a basic human experience. I know that once decisions are made, life support will be withdrawn.
Assuming this baby survives, we will be unable to give feed, and the parents will not want us to use artificial means to do so.
Regrettably, my predictions are correct. I realise as I go to meet the parents that this will be the tenth child for whom I have cared after a decision has been made to forgo medically provided feeding.
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Like other parents in this predicament, they are now plagued with a terrible type of wishful thinking that they could never have imagined. They wish for their child to die quickly once the feeding and fluids are stopped.
They wish for pneumonia. They wish for no suffering. They wish for no visible changes to their precious baby.
Their wishes, however, are not consistent with my experience. Survival is often much longer than most physicians think; reflecting on my previous patients, the median time from withdrawal of hydration to death was ten days.
After reading the article in the British Medical Journal, Dr. Laura de Rooy, a consultant neonatologist at St. George’s Hospital NHS Trust in London, wrote on the BMJ website: “It is a huge supposition to think they do not feel hunger or thirst.”
“The LCP was devised by the Marie Curie Palliative Care Institute in Liverpool for care of dying adult patients more than a decade ago. It has since been developed, with [pediatric] staff at Alder Hey Hospital, to cover children. Parents have to agree to their child going on the death pathway, often being told by doctors it is in the child’s ‘best interests’ because their survival is ‘futile’,” The Daily Mail reports.
Obviously, not everyone agrees. Bernadette Lloyd, a hospice pediatric nurse, wrote to the Cabinet Office and the Department of Health and blasted the use of death pathways for young children.
“The parents feel coerced, at a very traumatic time, into agreeing that this is correct for their child whom they are told by doctors has only has a few days to live,” she wrote. “It is very difficult to predict death. I have seen a reasonable number of children recover after being taken off the pathway.”
She went on: “I have also seen children die in terrible thirst because fluids are withdrawn from them until they die…I witnessed a 14 year-old boy with cancer die with his tongue stuck to the roof of his mouth when doctors refused to give him liquids by tube. His death was agonising for him, and for us nurses to watch. This is euthanasia by the backdoor.”
For now the inquiry into the death pathways is ongoing. A Department of Health spokesman said that “End of life care for children must meet the highest professional and clinical standards, and the specific needs of children at the end of their life.”
But as Teresa Lynch, a spokeswoman for the Medical Ethics Alliance, points out: “There are big questions to be answered about how our sick children are dying.”
To read more of the anonymous doctor’s testimony in the British Medical Journal, click here.
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quiltgal
Nov. 29, 2012 at 6:05pmDoctors used to take an oath to give their best efforts to save lives. Welcome to socialized medicine where state-controlled doctors determine you are not worth the effort.
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AvengerK
Nov. 29, 2012 at 6:21pmIts’ because government runs most medical facilities in the UK and Europe. The private hospitals aren’t doing this…but they’re priced so high that most Britons can’t afford private insurance so they only use the NHS.
Obama’s old Medicare overseer Don Berwick has expressed openly his love for the UK’s NHS.
You think this rationing isn’t coming to the US if the liberals have their way?
“Section 6001 of the “Affordable Healthcare act” effectively bans new physician-owned hospitals (POHs) from starting up, and it keeps existing ones from expanding.” Why do this you ask? Because the AHA pushed for it to be included in Obamacare. American Hospital Assocation read: Heavily Unionized.
This is step one…muscle out the non-unionized players one by one so that all that’s left are those beholden to the government. Then nationalize those remaining under a national health service like Great Britain’s then price the private hospitals and physicians out of the competition. I know what I’m talking about….private health insurance in countries like Australia and the UK is for “the rich” who are the only ones who can afford it. But they get the better care because national health has a bottom line..how expensive is the treatment and who can we deny it to?
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RANGER1965
Nov. 29, 2012 at 6:29pmMany of my posts have been labelled as “chest beating”, or described as macho BS by some.
This is enraging!
Some on this board have said things like “Dont promise violence, don’t get angry about this-or that, because that’s just what the Left wants.
My question to all of these critics is this. Where is your line? What has to happen to you, your family, or to your country, that you would be willing to die, or kill to prevent? Or is there a line or limit at all?
I am certain that when Americans were groaning under English oppression there were plenty of people filled with seemingly wise words councilling peace at all costs, and not to raise the ire of the English King. I’m sure that they told their brothers not to participate in some wild Tea Party because “thats just what the English want.” to prove that were are not civilized, or a bunch of wild hoodlums, and to give them the excuse to crack down hard on American malcontents.
Many of you are saying peace when there is no peace. Your council sucks.
Evil is on the move, and it doesn’t ask for permission, and it cares nothing for peace. When my line gets crossed neither do I. Some things are worth risking the wrath of tyrants. Some things are worth dying for.
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mikem1969
Nov. 29, 2012 at 6:49pmRANGER1965 I am with you, let me know when you are ready to march. My powder is dry and I am locked and loaded. We must stop the left before the rest of this crap comes to AMERICA. God bless and keep the little ones.
The_Jerk
Nov. 29, 2012 at 6:51pmQuiltgal, it’s not the doctors. It’s the law. It’s the elected politicians and appointed administrators. It’s the fools who elect those fools. So, don’t scapegoat doctors… look in the mirror… society’s mirror.
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nickarmy75
Nov. 29, 2012 at 6:54pmRanger,
Brother , I can assure you I have passed the point of caring what people think and how they feel. I am just as willing to lay down my life as when I took an oath 18 years ago if not more. We are at a point when men like us have to stand up and do the dirty work like we have always done. The last stanza of The Ranger Creed reads.
Readily will I display the intestinal fortitude required to fight on to the Ranger objective and complete the mission, though I be the lone survivor.
Damn Right,
RLTW
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The_Jerk
Nov. 29, 2012 at 6:55pmRANGER1965, don’t know where that line is, but it’s getting closer and closer. We’ve been betrayed by the loyalists, loyal to ideology and not country. There will be violence, the only question is, “When?”
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DisposableWorker
Nov. 29, 2012 at 7:26pm@ Ranger1965 > That “line” the Ranger is talking about is when the government starts
forcably taking people away to kill them because they aren’t “worthy”
of life in the Governments opinion. Think Terry Schiavo in a massive
scale.
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OutOfTheAether
Nov. 29, 2012 at 7:32pmThis is so Creepily familiar to what you read in the new Agenda 21 novel. wow
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702TruthSeeker
Nov. 29, 2012 at 8:01pm@THE_JERK i used to never agree with a word you said, but after the election i’m finding myself agreeing with you more and more. i do not want to agree with you… i do not want to live in a country where 1/2 the population is dead inside and just wants their free stuff while someone else pays for it. i do not want people to live as slaves, i want them to be free. now that i see the truth i totally agree with you. new yorkers deserve what they’re getting with bloomberg because they’re asking him to solve their problems. citizens deserve to be slaves to their government because they’re turning to the government for solutions to all their problems. freedom has to be earned and those who take it for granted do not deserve it
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Micmac
Nov. 29, 2012 at 8:01pm@ AVENGE
Actually insurance companies are looking strongly into owning the hospitals outright to control the costs…which translates into lesser services.
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Walkabout
Nov. 29, 2012 at 8:07pmI scanned the 1st page. I saw no known trolls. They must not have gotten their talking points.
This is a winner topic. How many people were born as premies. I bet that Obama-bots would GLEEfully starve them to death to meet death pathway targets. On the bright, cheery side, they would have a happy sounding name for death pathway. You got give them that. They are snappy with euphemism & double talk.
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starman70
Nov. 29, 2012 at 8:14pmThis whole plan (Soon to be coming to America) is nothing more than pure EVIL!! This kind of thought is fostered from ancient human sacrifices and is as demonic as it comes. Hitler’s plan for the Aryan “Master Race” included much of the same thought. Had Britain been defeated by Hitler, they just would have arrived at this end sooner.
The “Affordable Health Care” plan can still be overturned BUT all Americans need to rise up and demand that their Senators and Congressmen overturn this legislation.
E-MAIL your Senators and Congressmen at their website and copy the HTTP line to his or her e-mail. TELL THEM YOU DEMAND THAT “OBAMACARE” BE OVERTURNED BEFORE AMERICANS ARE SUBJECTED TO THIS TREATMENT.
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SendTheMeteors
Nov. 29, 2012 at 8:21pmInterestingly, the UK has both a lower infant mortality rate and longer life expectancy than citizens in the United States. That’s actually the case with all those “socialist” European countries.
We may have the best medical centers here in the world, but most people don’t have the means to access them.
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ohnomrbill
Nov. 29, 2012 at 8:23pmThis is horrible I’m so sad to read that they would do this treatment to anyone let alone a baby or child
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QuincySmith
Nov. 29, 2012 at 8:25pmRanger;
This story reports an outrage. However, if one ‘gets angry’, or otherwise loses control, the one human trait that separates us from animals is at least diminished; if not completely lost. That is when the Left wins. These stories tell us who the enemy is, we must find a way to defeat them.
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QuincySmith
Nov. 29, 2012 at 8:32pmsend;
What are you talking about? If someone cannot afford care, US law requires that hospitals treat them. Learn a little about what you are posting before actually do so. There is an adage you should familiarize yourself with: ” It is better to keep your [keyboard quiet] and be thought a fool than to [use it] and remove all doubt”?
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drs1969
Nov. 29, 2012 at 8:35pmRe: STM
2 wars and socialist healthcare have weeded out the sick and stupid. Then there’s the fact that the USA’s numbers are dragged down by the minorities getting diabetes by eating the white man’s diet.
Obamacare looks to even the score, I’m sure.
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rose-ellen
Nov. 29, 2012 at 8:36pmThis is absolute evil.this is inhuman.How gullable can parents ,doctors and nurses be to do this to another person and then say the person does not suffer? Unbelievable!Truley sickenening that this happens in a so called civilized society.
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Walkabout
Nov. 29, 2012 at 8:42pmSendTheMeteors
When you kill people with any disability whatsoever, you will have higher life expectancy.
Do they count the newborns they purposely kill as unfit in the mortality statistics.
I guess we have to look at the internals like in polls.
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A baby in is born with heart outside the body. British answer is kill it. American answer is to perform an operation & save the baby.
Baby is born without a heart chamber. American answer is to grow one form the babies’ own cells. British answer is say “Look abnormality. Kill it!”
Meteor wants us to praise the British system. Meteor is ugly on the inside.
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Walkabout
Nov. 29, 2012 at 9:02pmMeteor
Wow France, England & German average 2 more years of life expectancy. As France has areas that the police refuse to go into, I expect their data is incomplete or fudged. 10% of France or more is Muslim. I doubt they have the same life expectancy as as other Frenchmen. I have been there. Even outside of the Muslim areas life is terrible. For example a family of 5 living in a 2 bedroom apartment.
Or try Germany & a family of 4 living in a 2 bedroom apartment. Graduating form college doesn’t mean crap there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_Expectancy_by_Country
I know Europe. It sucks & gets worse everyday. The politicians have sucked the marrow out of the bone & are about to toss the bone. That is Europe.
Meteor I hope you were given your 30 pieces of silver. It should help your conscience.
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Walkabout
Nov. 29, 2012 at 9:05pmMeteor, One more thing. Japan has the highest life expectancy & it is the 3rd decade of its’ death spiral. I have seen the shanty towns there with my own eyes.
Actually shanty towns & people sleeping in the parks was not something I expected to see in Japan.
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muffythetuffy
Nov. 29, 2012 at 9:32pmPLEASE DO NOT FORGET ITS EUPHORIC
Democrats told us that when Terri Schivo was starved to death, death by starvation and thirst is a very human death and is a euphoric way to die. The baby will enjoy dying from a lack of food and water so why is there any concern?
Just look at it as being a Post Birth Abortion.
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muffythetuffy
Nov. 29, 2012 at 9:35pmImperfect babies just cost the health care system too much in resources. Imperfect babies are just not needed by society.
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Ed546424
Nov. 29, 2012 at 10:22pmTo sendthemeateors, many countries like the UK have a lower infant mortality rate because they don’t count babies under a certain weight when born that then die. Nor do they count babies that die within 24 hours of being born. In the US everyone baby born alive is counted.
The US also has a higher life expectancy when car accidents and murder is taken out.
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stang289
Nov. 29, 2012 at 10:46pmIm with Ranger1965 . We are getting close to the breaking point . THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN IN AMERICA . THIS IS NAZI GERMANY ALL OVER AGAIN ! PROGRESSIVES ARE TRAITORS !
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bschoen2008
Nov. 29, 2012 at 11:06pmThat’s right ! These people are murders !
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SendTheMeteors
Nov. 29, 2012 at 11:07pmWalkabout, I see you get your information about health care in Britain from a shock story in a British tabloid. Or perhaps you can quote your sources for the two examples you gave?
Doesn’t it feel weird to base your arguments on facts you make up on the spot? No wonder you post here, nobody questions your nonsense.
“Life expectancy at birth in the USA, 78.49, is 50th in the world, below most developed nations and some developing nations. … US statistics are below the average life expectancy for the European Union.[8][9] The World Health Organization (WHO), in 2000, ranked the U.S. health care system as the highest in cost, first in responsiveness, 37th in overall performance, and 72nd by overall level of health (among 191 member nations included in the study).[10][11] The Commonwealth Fund ranked the United States last in the quality of health care among similar countries,[12] and notes U.S. care costs the most.[13]” – From wiki.
Glenn Beck says healthcare in the US will “kill you” based on his experience in the hospital.
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Blacktooth
Nov. 29, 2012 at 11:14pmAnd yet, how many babies are deliberately murdered in these United States?
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TruthTalker
Nov. 29, 2012 at 11:19pmThus Sandra Fluke becomes Time’s Person of the Year
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Grey Eagle
Nov. 29, 2012 at 11:27pmWelcome to obamacare, because it will eventually be the same.
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girlnurse
Nov. 29, 2012 at 11:27pmRANGER1965: Your post encouraged me this evening. I feel the same way…maybe we’re all ready and just waiting for someone to make the first move. Being in the medical profession I have seen first hand the cold hearted hearts (not all)…many..many would think absolutely nothing of watching a baby lay there and die. When the trumpet blows…I’ll be with you. God Bless.
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pdw
Nov. 29, 2012 at 11:37pmObamacare
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Cavallo
Nov. 29, 2012 at 11:40pmThe interests of the State take precident over all else. Coming soon to the USSA, if it isn’t here already.
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SendTheMeteors
Nov. 29, 2012 at 11:41pmWALKABOUT, I didn’t see you posted three times to my one! You’re not one of those are you?
I read your defense of US healthcare: 1) you don’t believe the data, 2) people dying on average four years earlier in the US than Japan (an increased lifespan of 5%) isn’t a big deal, and besides, you saw a poor area in Japan, 3) In Germany you heard that five people live in a two bedroom apartment sometimes, 4) Europeans kill all babies with any disability.
Walkabout, please. I know your pals here will buy your fact-free opinions and impressions (“Britain sucks”) because it fits the narrative. But really, you just sound silly, especially given that you seem to have the capacity to actually look up facts.
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anOpinion
Nov. 30, 2012 at 12:13amAnd they call waterboarding torture, this is 1000x worse.
Murder by torture, welcome to socialized medicine.
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mercenary4freedom
Nov. 30, 2012 at 1:40amEugenisists @ work. Allow obamacare to be fully implemented here and this will be the norm here too. Evil, sick bastards.
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snooop1e
Nov. 30, 2012 at 1:49amThis isn’t really so shocking, it’s actually been going on in the UK for quite a while and it’s become very common here in the US as well. It used to be that Christians in America stood up against this type of thing but now it’s become common even for “Christian” women to abort children with a small defect or abnormality so witholding food and water is the natural progression. Many religious Ministers are even encouraging women to have abortions if the baby has a birth defect or is “unlikely” to live for very long. For example Pastor Chuck Smith (founder of Calvary Chapel) on his radio talk show “Pastors Perspective” told a women who was pregnant with co-joined twins that she should go ahead and abort her babies and that God would forgive her (we used to call that giving someone a license to sin) He even used scripture to pursuade her that not aborting her babies (so that she could take care of her daughter) would be sinful . Satan has done a pretty good job of deceiving the world when a Christian Pastor is using scripture to convince a woman that aborting her baby is the “Christian” thing to do. You can listen to the radio clips at the link below. Lord Have Mercy…..
http://www.operationrescue.org/archives/pastor-chuck-smith-stuns-radio-listeners-by-encouraging-woman-to-abort/
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KOseekingtruth
Nov. 30, 2012 at 3:56amwelcome to Obama care coming soon
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MONICNE
Nov. 30, 2012 at 5:58amOk, Ranger and other patriotic Vets, this is important.
AvengerK and Walkabout are foreign provocateurs who would live to incite you to needless violence.
They would love the Secret Service and FBI to find your IP address and add you to the “list.”
They are part of the reason so many Complacent Conservatives let the election be lost.
THEY WILL NOT TELL US WHAT COUNTRY THEY VOTE IN OR BELONG TO.
I am a “3 percent” Natural Citizen with nine years eight months Volunteer Service and three honorables. Ask yourself why these 2 posers attack US systems so viciously and why they so often use quaint UK speech mannerisms when they drop their mask or have an extra pint. Walkabout is a team, AvengerK is a lone wolf.
God Bless the USA, support the Veterans Education Center at the Wall – working tirelessly we broke ground this week!
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loriann12
Nov. 30, 2012 at 8:02am@RANGER1965 I was told (or read somewhere) tha during the American Revolution, only 1/3 of the people actually wanted freedom, less even willing to fight for it. 1/3 wanted to stay with the British and 1/3 actually didnt care and expected things to just move along comfortably in the same groove no matter what they did. I think we’re at that point now. 1/3 don’t care or don’t think it matters to them personally (untl it does they will never change with words) and 1/3 are actually with Oblahblah and his socialism. Of the 1/3 who DO care, probably only half of them are willing to do more than complain or try to convince everyone else. If the SHTF, we’ll be left with about 1/6 of the population of the United states that actually will do something about it. I’m a Veteran, as I know you are, but we are few. The American Revolution was won against the largest military force of the time.
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NHwinter
Nov. 30, 2012 at 8:33amThe world is engaged in an enormous struggle between the forces of good and evil, between a faith in the Supreme Being and the absolute rejection of God. The consequences of this struggle will be a civilization of love and truth based on the sanctity of human life and those rights and responsibilities given by the Creator or the tyranny of hate and oppression based on contempt of God.
It will be people who love God and are willing to sacrifice and those that hold God in contempt by sinful lives and selfishness. We are indeed in the struggle between good and evil. Isn’t it time to protest and take to the streets to state our objections to the course we are headed on? Isn’t it time for us to take a stand and sacrifice all for the good of our children and grandchildren? Remember the old saying, the only thing evil needs is for good people to do nothing. Pray for evil to be exposed.
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Dismayed Veteran
Nov. 30, 2012 at 8:35amThis is the Declaration of Geneva which the most commonly used Hippocratic Oath. 98% of American doctors take the oath. 50% of British doctors take oath.
AT THE TIME OF BEING ADMITTED AS A MEMBER OF THE MEDICAL PROFESSION: I SOLEMNLY PLEDGE to consecrate my life to the service of humanity;
I WILL GIVE to my teachers the respect and gratitude that is their due;
I WILL PRACTICE my profession with conscience and dignity;
THE HEALTH OF MY PATIENT will be my first consideration;
I WILL RESPECT the secrets that are confided in me, even after the patient has died;
I WILL MAINTAIN by all the means in my power, the honour and the noble traditions of the medical profession;
MY COLLEAGUES will be my sisters and brothers;
I WILL NOT PERMIT considerations of age, disease or disability, creed, ethnic origin, gender, nationality, political affiliation, race, sexual orientation, social standing or any other factor to intervene between my duty and my patient;
I WILL MAINTAIN the utmost respect for human life;
I WILL NOT USE my medical knowledge to violate human rights and civil liberties, even under threat;
I MAKE THESE PROMISES solemnly, freely and upon my honour.
This story is about normal medicine in a socialist country. This may be the future of Obama Care. Ask you doctor if he or she has taken the oath. If they do, remind them of the oath. If they don’t, find another doctor who practices medicine by the oath.
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Dismayed Veteran
Nov. 30, 2012 at 8:38am@Ranger1965
I have not forgotten my oath. My line is close to being crossed with no retreat.
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angelcat
Nov. 30, 2012 at 8:52amWhat scares me is that I’m sure many liberals think this is just fine, and some of them may be on the panel that is charged with making decisions under obamanon-care. If you are willing to kill a baby before birth or when partially born, it is not much of a stretch to be willing to kill it after it emerges from the womb. If you are willing to tell someone to give their mother pills to stop the pain instead of letting the person, in spite of age, have needed surgery, why wouldn’t you be wlling to let the person die while making sure they have enough pills so they don’t they are dying?
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apbt55
Nov. 30, 2012 at 10:59am@loriann12 1/6th of the population would be overwhelming, that would be Over 50 million people
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Balzy
Nov. 30, 2012 at 11:02am@jerk
Nah man i don’t let people off the hook for murdering innocents, just because they want a fat check. So you’re saying if your loved one’s doctors started starving them to death, you wouldn’t hold them accountable? Helping people and stopping evil people from doing horrible things, feels wayyy better than being a jerk all the time. Just saying pal, i actually misread you at first. Although there’s a lot we don’t agree on, you’re honestly not that unreasonable.
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TDrury
Nov. 30, 2012 at 11:17amYou can’t blame this on socialized medicine any more than Hitler alone was to blame for the Holocaust. It is the fault of the individual doctors just as the Holocaust was the fault of the individuals who pulled the triggers and released the gas. No one is forcing the doctors to commit these crimes against humanity at the point of a gun.
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AvengerK
Nov. 30, 2012 at 11:22amMICMAC…what do you think the chances are that insurance companies will take over the hospitals when Obamacare can stop physician owned hospitals from being built or expanded? They’ll either have to bow to the government or perish. Either way…it means a decline in the quality of healthcare in this country.
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AvengerK
Nov. 30, 2012 at 11:24amSENDTHEMETEORS…nice try champ. The U.S. includes factors like auto accidents and violent crime deaths in it’s mortality rates. Your beloved Eurosocialists do not. Keep trying champ.
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AvengerK
Nov. 30, 2012 at 11:32amok MONICNE/ENCINOM this is important…
If you insist on using more than one screenname for yourself here..perhaps you should consider not merely reversing the spelling of the name you’ve been using previously? It doesn’t make you look very clever. Is this draining in at all Clownshoes? LOL.
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AxelPhantom
Nov. 30, 2012 at 11:33amBoth starving to death and dying of thirst are two of the worst ways to die! Both involve organ failure which is a slow and PAINFUL process. Before the heart stops and you die usually the kidneys have failed, the liver has stopped working. Your blood becomes toxic and you feel like crap because your blood is so toxic it can no longer carry oxygen. Think of someone who needs dialysis or a diabetic who does not take their insulin.
Your tongue swells in your mouth, your lips and nose crack and bleed. Your eyes hurt and phlegm becomes so thick that it causes you to choke and gag. The brain works 100% on blood sugar. Depriving a person of this (after stores in the liver are used) leads to hallucinations, convulsions and painful muscle spasms.
This same “civilized” country blanches at the thought of treating terrorists roughly and yet sees nothing wrong with torturing innocent children who have committed no sin except being born with a serious and expensive to treat illness. How a society treats its very young and very old speaks volumes about how “civilized” they really are.
These doctors violated the Hippocratic oath of “Do no Harm.” Forcing organ failure is definitely causing harm. Perhaps they took the Hypocrites oath instead.
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Walkabout
Nov. 30, 2012 at 11:40amSendTheMeteors
“Life expectancy at birth in the USA, 78.49, is 50th in the world, below most developed nations and some developing nations
Troll, I did link wikipedia. But you had no comments on a 2 year difference at of 80. Upending the U.S. health system to get rid of the 2 year discrepancy in life expectancy is not the answer. 2 years that is it. From age 78 to age 80. For that 2 years you are willing to take everything form anyone who works. Expect a severe reaction. Sometimes it will be subtle & served cold other times it will be hot.
I see that you did not reply to
Ed546424
Posted on November 29, 2012 at 10:22pm
“To sendthemeateors, many countries like the UK have a lower infant mortality rate because they don’t count babies under a certain weight when born that then die. Nor do they count babies that die within 24 hours of being born. In the US everyone baby born alive is counted.”
This is a usual troll tactic. Like I said before. Let us get into the internals on how they come up with their statistic. I expect that statistics will get worse in the Nordic & other countries as their populations get more heterogeneous for diversity sake. Citizens will get assaulted, mugged, raped, murdered & cowed. The left will try to present a veneer of normalcy as long as possible. It is cold now in Northern Europe but it will be car burning season again in 6 months.
Point is that soon the French Premier won’t be able to lie about safety o
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Kregneva
Nov. 30, 2012 at 11:45amActually, it simply seems rational and reasonable to just include the source of the statements we use on the Blaze so others can evaluate our source data. Glenn teaches that we should do our own research – but without a good factual reference there are always going to be unsubstantiated opposing points of view. Then our positions will just be judged by vitriol and venom instead of content.
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AvengerK
Nov. 30, 2012 at 11:52amBy the way MONICNE/ENCINOM/SLEAZY HIPPO/(insert today’s screenname here)….what “US systems” do I supposedly attack viciously? Please provide the evidence.
If it’s attacking the incompetent Barack Obama, the American left, socialism and idiots like you and WANGO/HORSEDANCER/PANTLOADIAN/ad nauseum (oh look..another lefty troll that needs more than one screenname) who infest these boards…then I admit it openly you don’t need to launch into your flaccid bait for that. Again what “US system” are you referring to..please provide the evidence.
All it takes is a click on my screenname (unlike you, I only need one of those) to see what I’ve been posting.
Let me invoke “Wheel of Fortune” in closing…”there’s an eff and a you…good luck”.
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AvengerK
Nov. 30, 2012 at 12:01pmSENDINTHEMETEORS…let me educate you champ….
Dr Linda Halderman writes about your misleading infant mortality rate number:
“Low birth weight infants are not counted against the “live birth” statistics for many countries reporting low infant mortality rates.
According to the way statistics are calculated in Canada, Germany, and Austria, a premature baby weighing less than 500g is not considered a living child.
But in the U.S., such very low birth weight babies are considered live births. The mortality rate of such babies – considered “unsalvageable” outside of the U.S. and therefore never alive – is extraordinarily high; up to 869 per 1,000 in the first month of life alone. This skews U.S. infant mortality statistics.
In Switzerland and other parts of Europe, a baby born who is less than 30 centimeters long is not counted as a live birth. Therefore, unlike in the U.S., such high-risk infants cannot affect Swiss infant mortality rates.”
See here’s what’s going SENDINTHEMEATHEAD…because the US doesn’t have socialized medicine efforts to save newborns are common place in American hospitals….where as in your beloved “Eurozone”..these same infants are considered “unsalvageable”. I love those lefty euphemisms by the way….so easy to write off a life with.
Eat hearty champ….
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MONICNE
Nov. 30, 2012 at 12:01pmWell, well, it’s almost 3 am in Brisbane I see!
The public houses are closing and it’s back to work for the women-hating Walkabout twins.
AvenJoker will only be around a couple more hours, then it’s off for the weekend when the boss lady takes away its computer access on the Arizona/California office pipes.
OK, my Staunchest outraged and loud mouthed defenders of the American Way – can you ever stick to the knitting long enough to tell us where you Voted in 2012? Just the State or Country would be fine please.
Wank-About and AvenJoker– You are both unamerican, Non-American, fauxMericans. True?
Why should we listen to your drivel. Gainsay me that, pish-posh; give me just a tinker’s cuss; y’awl.
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Veterans Education Center at the Wall – We broke ground on the 28th – check it out
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MONICNE
Nov. 30, 2012 at 12:14pmGot You, AvenJoker! let’s see if you can maintain your composure until they pull your plug for the weekend. You Lose and lose Big.
Q- what “US systems” do I supposedly attack viciously? Please provide the evidence.
A – You continually berate and demean our Civilian – Controlled Military System, our Justice System, our Congress and our Media –
Like your fictitious hero the Joker, your hair is long but you don’t have a female friend. So you spend your insipid bleat off time tossing matchsticks about, hoping someday to watch the world burn.
But you are not being paid on weekends, so it’s off you go! Diddums.
You are a ranty-waiste. You keep saying all those names (the list changes daily) are the same soul but you have never PROVEN it. You just choose to smear me and the others and I am sick of you.
You actually ARE a professional coward. It’s simple to shut me up – just tell me you are an American Citizen . Money Talks, Aussies Walk. Prove it or leave it alone, poser-boy. Put Up or Shut Up.
((How about THOSE issues, AvenJoKer? Ohhh it’s almost …TEA time. ))
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Walkabout
Nov. 30, 2012 at 12:33pmUK North-South life expectancy divide increases to 13 years
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1322014/UK-North-South-life-expectancy-divide-increases-13-years.html
Europe’s life expectancy will decrease in the coming years with the change in demographics & the increasingly pernicious effect of socialism.
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Kregneva
Nov. 30, 2012 at 12:38pmGoodness, things seem to be escalating, language-wise. Everybody take a deep breath. Let’s look for common ground, just like good Allies would. Everyone here has some good aspects of themselves to share – and at the same time no one here is perfect. So let’s all be friendly and civil. Try to be balanced and measured in our tone and words. This way we can communicate clearly, cogently and succinctly.
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SendTheMeteors
Nov. 30, 2012 at 12:41pmWALKABOUT, just FYI, calling me a troll may make you feel better, but it really doesn’t help your argument. In fact, it does just the opposite.
With regard to Ed, he states that the UK determines infant mortality differently than the US. Why should I respond to that claim? Here’s my response. You or he can provide a link that shows that the US and the UK define infant mortality differently, and we can all then take that factor into account. That should be easy since he states it outright as true. But until then, I’ll continue to assume he just made it up, like most of the other “facts” I see here.
You’ve stated you don’t care about people in the US living an extra two years or five years, an additional 2.5 and 5% increase in lifespan, because that means “taking everything from anyone who works.” How can anyone respond to that kind of hyperbole? “Take everything?” Don’t expect answers to nonsense statements of that kind.
And I see you claim that the reason the US ranks poorly on healthcare is not related to the quality or accessibility of healthcare for the average American, but rather to the proportion of minorities in our country. Okay, WALKABOUT, nice theory. Whatever…
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AvengerK
Nov. 30, 2012 at 1:04pm…easy MONICNE/ENCINOM/SLEAZY HIPPO..that vein in your forehead is bulging out again. “ranty waiste”? Slow down..close your mouth…breath…now you can type..LOL.
My posts are easily viewed by clicking on my screenname (again..I only need one of those unlike you who seems to need many of those). Just click on the solitary screenname (unlike your multiple ones) I use here, and it’s all there for anyone that’s interested in seeing what I write. Again I invoke “Wheel of Fortune” in my heartily encouraging you to present your evidence against me..”there’s an eff and a you….good luck”. LOL.
I also mentioned that perhaps your deceptions here would have been better served had you not chosen to merely reverse the spelling of your other online moniker..”ENCINOM”? But then again..you’re not the brightest are you?
Spell ENCINOM backwards for me little cur…what does it spell again? LOL.
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AvengerK
Nov. 30, 2012 at 1:14pmSENDTHEMETEORS…your passive/aggressive routine isn’t helping you champ.
I just provided a quote from a doctor who describes why the infant mortality rates for the US compared to your beloved Eurotopia you quoted are not accurately conveying the reality.
Here’s a link to her article.
http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-doctor-is-in-infant-mortality-comparisons-a-statistical-miscarriage/?singlepage=true
I succinctly reiterate….countries like Germany, Switzerland etc…do not consider infants born under 500g and under 30cm as live births. These infants are deemed “unsalvageable” by your beloved Eurotopians. Conversely in the US these infants are deemed live births and therefore efforts are applied to save the lives of those infants. This has the effect of making infant mortality numbers seem higher in the US. Can this be explained any clearer to you little fella?
You’ve lost this argument lefty..go slither back to Media Matters where your America bashing is applauded.
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Kregneva
Nov. 30, 2012 at 1:17pmMy, this site is heating up. A real debate requires facts, though. Walkabout – I went to the Mail to read your article, it is not related to the subject here – in fact it states that last October a reporter postulated that wealthy English were longer lived than poor Scottish. So maybe there is tangential value, but I still think Send The Meteors leads you in the debate 2-to-1. AvengerK and Monicine are no longer tied, Mr. A. seems to be changing the topic with some smears whereas Ms. M has pulled ahead based on A’s deception. Wonder what will happen? Is the point of the original story lost?
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RANGER1965
Nov. 30, 2012 at 1:22pmAny parent that puts their own child into a system that murders them in one of the most torturous, and painful ways; Starvation/Dehydration…Any Administrator that controls or operates such a system…any Physician that goes along and manages these murders…any nurse that watches this passively…Are Guilty.
There is not a single reasoning adult in these forums that if they had the choice would not choose a bullet to the brain, than the endless torture of no water, no food. And those that think different are either liars, or too stupid to know how bad dehydrating to death is. A bullet to the brain would be a mercy! And this murderous death loving system over there can’t even offer that! To their own children! YOU FIGHT FOR LIFE DAMNIT!!! Whether it be painful or not! Whether it be twisted and different or normal and perfect. Whether it be for hours or for a lifetime. And when that life can’t fight on it’s own, then the parents are supposed to be their child’s defender. They are supposed to protect, love, and comfort.
This is utterly sickening and pathetic. It crushes my heart. Not that evil exists. I’ve seen enough evil and injustice for 2 lifetimes, but a 1st world nation like the UK adopting a system that doesn’t stop the bad things that hurt and kill children..BUT FACILITATES IT…like it’s a good and right thing!!!!
Damn them and this system to Hell. For that is surely where this come from.
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Kregneva
Nov. 30, 2012 at 1:29pmWhoa, the AvengerK just broke away from besmirching Monica to hand Send Meteor an on line article from “PJ Media” that could have been useful if it published two tables: the reported figures, and the corrected homogenized figures. The text message is tendentious cherry-picking, to gull the gullible to a predetermined conclusion in a regressive fashion. I give this round (and the civility level) to Meteor! Grace under fire even as she is double-teamed!
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AvengerK
Nov. 30, 2012 at 1:39pmHere’s some advice SENDTHEMETEORS…
When one person stops you and tells you “you have a tail”..you’re entitled to ignore him and go about your business.
When three people at different times approach you and tell you “you have a tail”..maybe you should turn around and take a look?
Similarly…you can pretend to ignore what you’ve been presented here by putting your fingers in your ears and saying “la la la I can’t hear you”. But when two posters tell you the numbers you’re quoting do not accurately convey the reality of the rates your invoking..and you’re given sources and quotes to back it up…perhaps you should take your fingers out of your ears at that point? Lefty clownshoes.
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AvengerK
Nov. 30, 2012 at 1:49pmRANGER….as I mentioned earlier…they don’t have a choice over there. Private health insurance in socialised countries is so expensive that few an afford it to supplement national health. The vast majority rely only on national health and the restrictions government puts on it. Government beaurocrats determine who gets what level of care whereas those privately insured can go to a hospital that will leave no measure untouched to treat you. In short….these babies are not being treated because they’re deemed “unsalvageable” by a government beaurocrat and the families can afford no better level of care. If they have private insurance in these countries to supplement national health..the infants get the care they need.
Bottom line..they don’t know or can access any better. In the US however, the infant gets the care it needs regardless of it’s weight and length because a government beaurocrat isn’t telling the hospital what criteria should be used to determine if the child is “salvageable”. But then there’s Obamacare and it’s panel of unelected beaurocrats……
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Truthbeliever2
Nov. 30, 2012 at 1:50pmWelcome to the NWO. This type of care is coming to a country near you.
They are doing everything in their power to KILL US OFF to a more reasonable number.
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RANGER1965
Nov. 30, 2012 at 2:14pm@Kregneva
Touting the imaginary benefits and virtues of good communication doesn’t make it so. Discussing the effectiveness of a gas valve on an oven might be a worthy debate if it’s used to cook food, or heat a home.
But if it’s used to throw forsaken children into a hungry inferno then I really don’t give a S**T!!! about gas valves, and good communication! I have nothing in common with anyone that supports such a system, nor will I ever! I am not malleable, or forgiving on this subject. I consider anyone that supports such a monstrosity as my enemy, as I do the system itself. Anyone that would subject their children or allow children to be subjected to this system needs killin’
How’s that for diplomacy?
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AvengerK
Nov. 30, 2012 at 2:18pmOh I see “KREGNEVA”…you don’t like the venue for Dr Halderman’s article so you will impose your moderator personality on the subject and choose to ignore her assertions?
What about a report from the World Health Organization (WHO) which states that “among developed countries, mortality rates may reflect differences in the definitions used for reporting births, such as cut-offs for registering live births and birth weight.”
http://www.scribd.com/doc/36960555/Neonatal-and-Prenatal-WHO
Or perhaps a bulletin from the same organization saying that “it has also been common practice in several countries (e.g. Belgium, France, Spain) to register as live births only those infants who survived for a specified period beyond birth”; those who did not survive were “completely ignored for registration purposes.” ?
http://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/86/6/07-043471/en/
You’ll notice that both reports support Dr Halderman’s assertions?
Do you have a problem with that venue “little cur”?
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Walkabout
Nov. 30, 2012 at 2:24pmSendTheMeteors
With regard to Ed, he states that the UK determines infant mortality differently than the US.
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I was going to ask ed to post a link. I went searching. just because you look doesn’t mean you will find what you are looking for. At least not on Google. I figured my big mistake was not going to a site that specialize in medical journal. So any what, i could not provide a link right away. So the troll known as Send the Meteors (a I wanna pick a fight moniker cuz I am a lefty troll) starts with the war whoop & victory dance. Lo & behold Avengerk provides a link
http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-doctor-is-in-infant-mortality-comparisons-a-statistical-miscarriage/?singlepage=true
The link is not perfect, but it is a start. Nonetheless you will poo poo the PJ Media Story & continue trolling on.
I have relatives in 3 foreign countries. I don’t have to rely on CNN, NBC, the rest of the lying media or you. I know what it is like elsewhere. I get around. Hence my Moniker.
“According to the way statistics are calculated in Canada, Germany, and Austria, a premature baby weighing <500g is not considered a living child.
But in the U.S., such very low birth weight babies are considered live births."
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AvengerK
Nov. 30, 2012 at 2:25pmOh and “KREGNEVA” is it? “Monica” you said? Aren’t you struggling for “MONICNE” there little fella? Which is the reverse spelling of his other persona “ENCINOM”
Has the mask slipped again? LOL.
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Walkabout
Nov. 30, 2012 at 2:26pm“Some of the countries reporting infant mortality rates lower than the U.S. classify babies as “stillborn” if they survive less than 24 hours whether or not such babies breathe, move, or have a beating heart at birth.”
The Doctor Is In: Infant Mortality Comparisons a Statistical Miscarriage
Babies don’t do better in countries with socialized medicine.
http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-doctor-is-in-infant-mortality-comparisons-a-statistical-miscarriage/?singlepage=true
Hat tip to AvengerK
Response from “Send the Meteors”
blah, blah. blah, …
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Walkabout
Nov. 30, 2012 at 2:29pmSend the Meteors
One more thing. Over half my relatives are classified as minorities.
The problem is not heterogeneity of genetics, but heterogeneity of cultures that the left exacerbates for political profit.
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Walkabout
Nov. 30, 2012 at 2:44pmKregneva,
I posted the link with some trepidation. But I did not want to spend a lot of time on the internet.
I bet Scotland has less foreigners than say the London has (the south east).
Also proving my point is that the affluent areas of London have a high life expectancy. I bet the immigrant portion of London is not considered affluent. I’ve been to London. The left is not integrating anyone there much less properly counting births, deaths, marriages, honor killings, etc.
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AvengerK
Nov. 30, 2012 at 2:47pmWALKABOUT…
SENDINTHECLOWN’s passive/aggressive routine is expected with some of these elitist lefties.
Foppish and puerile are descriptions that come to mind.
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MoGyver
Nov. 30, 2012 at 2:57pmRANGER 1965 – “My question to all of these critics is this. Where is your line? What has to happen to you, your family, or to your country, that you would be willing to die, or kill to prevent? Or is there a line or limit at all?”
You ask where the line is? John Lennon made it pretty clear in 1971 –
Imagine there’s no heaven
It’s easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today…
Imagine there’s no countries
It isn’t hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace…
You may say I’m a dreamer
But I’m not the only one
I hope someday you’ll join us
And the world will be as one
Their ideal is that there’s NOTHING to kill or die for. NOTHING is worth getting that upset about. I mean, there’s “no heaven or hell” and everyone is just “living for today”
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AvengerK
Nov. 30, 2012 at 3:01pmWALKABOUT..scroll up…I linked to two articles from the World Health Organization that support Dr Halderman’s article that I linked to earlier.
At this point “blah, blah, blah” is the most response SENDTHEMETEORS and “KREGICNE” will be able to muster.
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AvengerK
Nov. 30, 2012 at 3:12pmReally MOGYVER? We should take advice from a guy that married Yoko Ono and allowed her to inflict the Plastic Ono band on the world? Really..advice from a dead Beatle?
Let me invoke the same person then in response to you…”oompa loompa stick it up your ‘joompa’”
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Kregneva
Nov. 30, 2012 at 3:14pmInteresting, AvengerK has now managed to produce some actual medical references and so pulls ahead of deSend ent Metros, and look, here comes Walkabout ecstatic by apparently being saved by the original JPMedia false news. Overall they pull ahead of Metronome by 3 to 2, mainly for her absence.
Then they both lose points for specious arguments – about three “tail-tellers” which is just saying that experiencing a repeated statement means you should believe it – whether true or false. Walkabout then claims having foreign “Contacts” means something. (This tag team has also openly avoided the Monica Lewinsky contention that they are foreigners, as if that meant something in the first place. And then they both become Vulgar and Vitriolic, especially the Avengerk one. So now it’s a tie.
Best meaningless quote of the page: “When three people at different times approach you and tell you “you have a tail”..maybe you should turn around and take a look?”
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RANGER1965
Nov. 30, 2012 at 3:19pm@Moygyver
…and if you lived on a deserted island with no one on it but you, then you would be right. But just add one person, and the whole “Imaginary” belief system falls into a bloody shambles.
Your bankrupt, and imaginary philosophy doesn’t recognize the existence of evil. There are men and women who will take not only your life, but the lives of those you love. Many of these people cannot be bargained with, cannot be bought, and are not reasonable. They do it because they can. They get off on power, and too many “imaginary” people won’t stand up to them.
Because that’s the only thing they respect. They will never stop until someone stops them, or someone pays someone to stop them.
Do not your children or those that you love deserve your protection? Would you not stand as a sentinal to protect them from this world’s terrors? Perhaps their screams, and pleas for help are imaginary too?
Imagining a world free of evil, or working hard to make the world a better place is noble goal. Sticking your head in the sand to the world that we currently have is the act of a child, or a coward.
Peace should NEVER!! be the goal. Peace is a byproduct of Justice. Without justice there is no peace, there is no honor.
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MONICNE
Nov. 30, 2012 at 3:24pmAVENGERK is losing (has lost) his composure. SENDTHEMETEORS has broken his back!
I pity you, little Auss Hat.
Besides;
It‘s Friday and soon access to your boss lady’s computer will end!
Off you waltz, now; Matilda! – It’s time for Skippy to be on the Hop!
Okey Dokey, Ta Ta.
Do as l command you and disappear.
We true American patriots do not worship Queenie Lezzi-beth round here. We like hetro leadership, “matey.”
Way to Go. Crumpet-stiltsken!
Oh, My.
TEA time
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Strait Talk Express
Nov. 30, 2012 at 3:40pmPersonally (so don’t attack) that is like my favorite song to listen to alone and sometimes i used to cry when I thought about that song and John Lennon being dead and all. But that is one great song.
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Kregneva
Nov. 30, 2012 at 3:50pmThe Great debate takes still another turn as an overly idealistic and simplistic contributor introduces a poignant song as a reminder – apparently, of peace on earth and civility. Then, from the wings, in comes the Ranger to smack some sense into our idealistic interloper. Who saw that coming?
Meanwhile the possibly foreign tag team seems he!! bent to take this crown back to wherever they call home, even to the point of insulting the referee/line judge! These hotheads are certainly bully boys – if you get the pun!
Then a late entry from monicne banishing the avengerk – yet another surprise. Hold on to your hats folks, which side will win the debate? The bullies or the proggies?
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coloradolifer
Nov. 30, 2012 at 4:04pmI haven’t read all posts, but do you remember Terry Schiavo? Do you remember how Terry Schiavo died? She starved and dehydrated to death. That’s how.
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RANGER1965
Nov. 30, 2012 at 4:23pm@Kregneva,
In my judgement, your self appointment as a judge, is a pretty pathetic attempt to declare your buddies winners of a debate that was won long ago.
There is no debate when such blatant disregard for life is involved. There is no point to make. Nature herself could not have devised a more clear cut case of there being 2 antithetical sides. Avenger K and Walkabout trying to bring facts into the fray as though it would change any minds is misguided at best.
Anyone that supports this system will not be convinced. And those opposed to it won’t be changing either.
From my judgement those opposed to the UK’s system of murdering its forsaken children have the moral high ground, and at least on this board have the numbers.
So congratulations to all those opposed to this brutality, you have won.
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Kregneva
Nov. 30, 2012 at 4:26pmWell it has been the requisite 25 minutes and there are no battling posts – although we did get a new rock mountain high reference to the unfortunate court-terminated adult coma victim Terry Schaivo; reason here unclear. So being that in 2 minutes, METEORS, WALKABOUT, and AVENGERK have apparently given in; this match will go to MONICNE!
Ironically, she lives up to the FIRST QUOTE of this THREAD, made yesterday by NICKARMY75″
“Readily will I display the intestinal fortitude required to fight on to the Ranger objective and complete the mission, though I be the lone survivor.”
Kudos to Ms. Maureen “Mo” Nicne 1951
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AvengerK
Nov. 30, 2012 at 4:27pmBy all means command away KREG..I mean…MONICNE/ENCINOM…LOL. No really…put your Queen of hearts hat on little fella and yell “off with his head” too.
Do I take your reversing my screenname as a compliment or is it a testament to the fact that I’ve frustrated and infuriated you to such an extent that you’ll resort to this sort of thing? If it’s a compliment you can spare me your platitudes. If it’s a manifestation of your anger and frustration with me then I’m thrilled. Take you pick champ.
Once again..invoking “Wheel of Fortune” for latest move of yours..”there’s an eff..and a you…good luck”…LOL.
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Mulder1
Nov. 30, 2012 at 4:36pmThis is what happens when the religion of liberalism becomes dominant in a society – the murder of children and the elderly.
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AvengerK
Nov. 30, 2012 at 4:37pmWALKABOUT…you’ve likely noticed already that KREGNEVA is my screenname spelled backwards? Just respond to MONICNE..it’s the same person which again..you’ve likely picked up by now.
This is MONICNE/ENCINOM’s manifestation of his frustration with me. His unsettled mind came up with this latest “strategy” because as you may have seen earlier…MONICNE keeps asking me to prove he has multiple screennames and I simple invoke his banal choice of merely reversing his older screenname’s spelling. So like a good Pavlovian lefty…who’s easily led and trained…this is what the idiot came up with to attempt to innoculate himself from my exposing his deceptions. He likes it when I use words like “deceptions” by the way.
Creepy I know..but he wouldn’t be ENCINOM/MONICNE/SLEAZY HIPPO/KREGNEVA if he wasn’t.
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Kregneva
Nov. 30, 2012 at 4:39pmok AVENGERK/KREGNEVA this is important…
If you insist on using more than one screenname for yourself here..perhaps you should consider not merely reversing the spelling of the name you’ve been using previously? It doesn’t make you look very clever. Is this draining in at all Clownshoes? LOL.
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MoGyver
Nov. 30, 2012 at 4:41pmAVENGERK / RANGER 1965 – Please don’t take my previous comment as support or agreement; I’m not espousing those beliefs, only repeating one of the most popular songs in the progressive library. Perhaps I wasn’t clear enough when I said that it was “THEIR” ideal. (No hard feelings)
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Walkabout
Nov. 30, 2012 at 4:42pmAvengerK
I got your WHO /UN links.
TY
You are right. They are to the point of sticking fingers in their ears & saying la la la la ….
I have seen some aggressive tactics by the left on other websites. They are going to hack the administrator here at some point & try to out all the posters. It is just a matter of time
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Kregneva
Nov. 30, 2012 at 4:48pmBy the way, fauxMercian idyll AVENGERK/KREGNEVA/OBAMASHAM (insert today’s screenname here), why not just admit your pal Walkabout is a fake, pretending to be a late night USA patriot. It is an Aussie from Brisbane, possibly a team or maybe sometimes logging while impaired. It will not say what country it votes in. Beware of its admonitions; it just helped us lose the election due to overconfidence and complacency.
You are so brazen you cannot see your Alinsky is showing, uh, Champ.
TEA
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AvengerK
Nov. 30, 2012 at 4:56pmWALKABOUT…I wouldn’t give the idiot that much credit. ENCINOM/MONICNE/SLEAZY HIPPO/KREGNEVA is just not bright enough to accomplish something like that. I mean observe the mind that produced this stuff today on this thread? This is a cretin we’re talking about here that is so infuriated and frustrated with me that he thinks reversing my screenname to post with has “got me back”.
No it’s going to take a better mind than MONICNE/ENCINOM/SLEAZY HIPPO/KREGNEVA’s for the kinds of things you’re talking about to take place.
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AvengerK
Nov. 30, 2012 at 4:57pmCheers MOGYVER.
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RANGER1965
Nov. 30, 2012 at 5:06pm@Mogyver,
My apologies.
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SendTheMeteors
Nov. 30, 2012 at 5:06pmWALKABOUT, I’m still a little weepy about the fact the Europeans kill “people with any disability whatsoever,…” Where did you get that factoid? Scary!
I would like to add to Kregneva’s excellent analysis. For one, the source of information is blog at a right wing website. Are you in the habit of believing blogs on the Huffington Post? Well cut me some slack on this dubious source.
Second, she claims to know how infant deaths are defined in the different countries she’s cherry picked as examples, but doesn’t give the sources of her information. Nor her statistics – not even one. So this is a completely unreferenced blog on a right wing website. Sorry, but I’ll put my faith in the Center for Disease Control and the World Health Organization over a right wing blogger any day.
In any case, I’d argue that countries with greater access for the average person for healthcare reduces infant mortality and improves live expectancy. Does that make sense? And the US, predictably, fairs poorly on that scale, having by far the least affordable healthcare on the planet, and is the only industrialized country in the world without some form of universal healthcare. Until now.
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AvengerK
Nov. 30, 2012 at 5:20pmSENDTHEMETEORS…I provided TWO links to the World Health Organization supporting Dr Halderman’s article and you completely ignored them. Are you blind or stupid?
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AvengerK
Nov. 30, 2012 at 5:27pmYou’ll believe the World Health Organization SENDTHEMETEORS?
Good…
Then let me repeat part of my earlier post that you chose to ignore…
What about a report from the World Health Organization (WHO) which states that “among developed countries, mortality rates may reflect differences in the definitions used for reporting births, such as cut-offs for registering live births and birth weight.”
http://www.scribd.com/doc/36960555/Neonatal-and-Prenatal-WHO
Or perhaps a bulletin from the same organization saying that “it has also been common practice in several countries (e.g. Belgium, France, Spain) to register as live births only those infants who survived for a specified period beyond birth”; those who did not survive were “completely ignored for registration purposes.” ?
http://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/86/6/07-043471/en/
You’ll notice that both reports support Dr Halderman’s assertions?
The only person you’re kidding right now is yourself clownshoes.
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AvengerK
Nov. 30, 2012 at 5:53pmand no SENDTHEMETEORS….”it doesn’t make sense” that you believe that just because one has natiional health that one gets the level of care one needs. Gosh how can I say that?
Well…You’re on a board that has an article by a physician in a country that has national health that’s compltely conrtadicting you.
By your own measure…”sorry but I’ll put my faith in” a physician who has actual experience with the system and policies he’s commenting on and not a lefty troll like you with a political agenda?
Weep for yourself cretin.
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mycomet123
Nov. 30, 2012 at 6:07pmAny healthcare providers that would continue working under a mandate to ‘STARVE THE MOST VULNERABLE PATIENTS” need to have psychiatric consult’s done on themselves, because they are SICK/DEPRAVED MINDS that would agreed to go along with this EVIL!
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Kregneva
Nov. 30, 2012 at 7:14pmJust spent 90 minutes deeply reading the Two AvengerK links, and they are not polistcantically refuduiential in a toto comparisology to the topic at hand – youth in Asia. Meteoric -Eh, mate?
Loved today’s thread.
That was true Aussie theatre in the mold of Mel Gibson, cobber.
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MONICNE
Nov. 30, 2012 at 7:53pmHi avengerk
Are you ready to rumble?
Hey there Walkabout
Is your team ready to rumble?
Do you foreigners get it? If you do NOT RESPOND it proves you are Paid Poser Provocateurs.
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The-Monk
Nov. 30, 2012 at 8:59pmMONICNE
Hi avengerk Are you ready to rumble? Hey there Walkabout Is your team ready to rumble?
I’m here for ya SleezyHippo….. Ready to go SleezyHippo?
LMAO@U
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MONICNE
Nov. 30, 2012 at 9:23pmMonk
Jew hair socks ax hunt tit hamaziz mee, be etch.
No laey
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The-Monk
Nov. 30, 2012 at 9:50pm@SleezyHippo
That’s what I thought. Too chicken to dialog….
Just like the SleezyHippo that you are……
http://www.theblaze.com/users/sleazyhippo/
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SendTheMeteors
Nov. 30, 2012 at 10:05pmWell, I guess it’s falls to me to give the summation.
The Hyperbole Award goes to Walkabout for saying that Europeans kill people with any disability whatsoever. A close second is stang289 who says that, “THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN IN AMERICA . THIS IS NAZI GERMANY ALL OVER AGAIN ! PROGRESSIVES ARE TRAITORS !” Stang289 also wins a coupon for a new keyboard, one without a shift key that is stuck on caps.
Both Walkabout and revenger share the Dubious Source award for quoting right wing blogs and conservative British tabloids as reliable sources of information on healthcare in the world.
RevengerK easily wins the “I Never Took English In College” award for his statement, “I admit it openly you don’t need to launch into your flaccid bait for that.”
He also wins the Irony Award for saying that, “Private health insurance in countries like Australia and the UK is for “the rich” who are the only ones who can afford it.” Considering that the US has the most expensive medical care in the world per capita, and that considering how many Americans can’t afford insurance, you have to wonder what right wing site he’s pasting that little gem from.
To summarize, as NHwinter says, “The world is engaged in an enormous struggle between the forces of good and evil.” He was a runner-up by the way for the Most Overused Platitude Award.
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The-Monk
Nov. 30, 2012 at 11:27pmAnd of course…… SendTheMeteors…
has nothing to say of any relevance to the story. Only knows how to repeat others statements and criticize. That makes him/her/it the “Send in the turd sized Meteors” troll.
How’s your buddy SlexxyHippo Monicne???? http://www.theblaze.com/users/rangerskippy/
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The-Monk
Nov. 30, 2012 at 11:43pmEdit; I really mean….
“Send in the “pant loadian” of turd sized Meteors” troll.
And… how’s your buddy SlexxyHippo Monicne? http://www.theblaze.com/users/sleazyhippo/
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SendTheMeteors
Dec. 1, 2012 at 12:04amTHEMONK, hey, where did that username come from? There must be a story there. Do you mind if I ask where?
Why do you call yourself THE monk? Are you into meditation or live a really spartan life or something? Do you live to dedicate your life to others or some stuff like that? Do you live in a monastery or something?
Do you ever post comments here and get involved in the discussions? I’ve never seen any of your posts.
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Walkabout
Dec. 1, 2012 at 12:13amI go away for a while & catch a movie. When I come back to see if any additional comments have been posted I see Kregneva /MONICNE/ENCINO/Sleazy & “Send the Meteors” have not answered AnvergeRK. He posted link by the World Heal Organization showing that people count infant mortality differently than the USA. As a result their life expectancy statistics have been fudged.
So why answer the trolls? Besides I found a more interesting troll on another conservative website. It appears he haunts 3 different sites.
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The-Monk
Dec. 1, 2012 at 12:20am@ Send The Troll Meteors…..
“THEMONK, hey, where did that username come from? ”
Which user name?
“Why do you call yourself THE monk? ”
Why do you care…. you’re a troll.
“Do you ever post comments here and get involved in the discussions? I’ve never seen any of your posts.”
Since you’ve only been posting for about 2 weeks how would know anything? Besides… trolls don’t debate…. the berate.
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Walkabout
Dec. 1, 2012 at 12:25amSendTheMeteors
Monk … Do you ever post comments here and get involved in the discussions? I’ve never seen any of your posts
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Blah. blah. blah, I am here on a phishing expedition. Please give me your identity, so I can do my lefty job & neutralize you.
In other words “Show me the man & I will show the crime” – Uncle Joe Stalin
The troll gets personal information & uses it it some how in some way to drive another voice off the net. Because as a troll, Send the Meteors could care less about the Tu quoque logical fallacy.
What crime have you committed “Send the Meteors”?
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The-Monk
Dec. 1, 2012 at 12:49amHowdy Walkabout,
Looks like the little troll won’t answer me. LOL
Who are those other trolls you warned me about earlier?
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MONICNE
Dec. 1, 2012 at 8:27amHey Wakka boot,
What movie did you see, “2 Pints and a Lad?” (Your spelling is off – probably because you are “typing so fast spell check does not work). Or maybe you are just the sheepish 2nd team member.
Anyway, thanks for helping me catch up with your wheely fortunate mate, RK.
If you see K, him and you sincerely. Like wallabee wannabes, qwokka!
Anyway we all remember and hope it will be avenged.
I read the WHO “proof” material, apparently you didn’t bother. Because it was just a whole different topic and did not support the UK article or the Magic Blog, so it was a fair dinkum deception play but an enduring lie in actual fact. You or your partner were correct in your first post, “This one will be really good for us,” because you know the lil monkeys who value Fair Facts never actually read any.
What was that movie, mate? Was it interesting?
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MONICNE
Dec. 1, 2012 at 8:31am@avenge RK
Diggums! Cobba, it’s probably best if you Stay off the Blaze until Monday mid-morning.
TEA
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G-WHIZ
Dec. 1, 2012 at 10:36amThis is what Ill-SennatorObama VOTED FOR in OUR U.S.A.!!
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Jon
Dec. 1, 2012 at 11:37amSo… who’s ready for Obamacare?!
This is horrible, this is inhuman, but this is, if we continue going down the road we are, what we’ll get and what we deserve. It’s not surprising. They want to give government control of health care? Then we can’t be shocked when doctors who are no longer held accountable to only their patient, but have to answer to federal bureaucrats too. Nor can we when they place adhering to some budget or restricting the use of resources above the life or health of those whom they care for. Obama said his plan wouldn’t get between you and the doctor; well if we keep going down the same road as Europe (which we are) then yes, you’ll still be able to interact with your doctor, he’ll just have a government bureaucrat standing over him and holding his leash. If we’re a society who constantly chases God out of our media, public square, and schools, and if those same institutions instead continue to advocate atheism and evolution, have we any reason to wonder when the sanctity of life is disregarded? If we have no reason to believe that God lovingly made every man in His own image, and that, because of this human life has inherent value, but rather man is merely an accident evolved from a monkey, then it should not be surprising at all that we treat human beings this way. This is wrong, this is horrible, this is messed up, this is evil. If we don’t wake up soon and get back on track, America… things won’t look good.
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khandahar&jalalabad
Dec. 1, 2012 at 12:54pm@sendthemeteors
Your quite good at deflecting the issue. The story is about parents and doctors starving babies to death. Because you believe in socialized healthcare does that make murdering babies ok? Why stop at babies then, how about the elderly? Why stop there, lets murder the mentally disabled. Do you see where this leads to?
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Something is Wrong
Dec. 1, 2012 at 2:22pmRanger,
I understand your rage & I largely agree with it but where I differ from you is that I think it is crucial to keep a level head & do things properly if you actually want success. You cited the American Revolution but take another look at the American Revolution, was it just a bunch of people who were pissed off? Not by a long shot. They organized themselves formally & instead of just opposing for the sake of being angry, stood for something & turned their anger to love of their fellow man and dedication to the principle of liberty. Without a strong formal organization, such as was enabled through the Continental Congress, the American Revolution would have failed miserably. On the other hand, the French Revolution really was the result of a bunch of people who were just angry & their anger did topple the monarchy but it only led to something even worse in Napoleon. The French have ever since been tossed by the wind and have been fairly directionless while the US has been comparatively stalwart and steady. We have been hijacked from within over the past several years however & now we need to re-chart our course. Anger & rage will not help anything or anyone, they will only give the government justification to release the dogs before we can actually get organized & start working together. We must all work together & if there is to be any serious opposition, be it violent or diplomatic, we must do it as an organized unified body not as angry individuals.
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hotmonkeylovejunkie
Dec. 2, 2012 at 1:33am@ranger1965
i am also ‘chest beating’ and screaming at this damn computer. This bull$#!t called the u.s govt makes me sick on a daily basis. I argue and fight for the simple liberties afforded to all mankind. not just u.s. citizens. but being an American born and raised, my own constitutional liberties and rights are dearer to me than my own life. lest the gov’t be known this fact
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iSignedUpJustToReplyToYou
Dec. 2, 2012 at 2:04amHey SendTheMeteors…
You’re so right, because after reading this, the moral of the story is definitely about rates…
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Alina.D
Dec. 2, 2012 at 4:49pmSatan’s master plan = mass depopulation.
Oh, Jesus! Save these babies and come take us home from this wretched world!
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MDECKER
Nov. 29, 2012 at 6:02pmThese pathetic doctors and their practices, are just so “futile”. I think they should lose their practices and quite possibly their lives. That was easy. Next?
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The-Monk
Nov. 29, 2012 at 6:09pmThe progressives “Complete Lives System” in working order… : (
http://freedomeden.blogspot.com/2009/08/ezekiel-emanuel-complete-lives-system.html
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toiletclogga
Nov. 29, 2012 at 8:31pmDemocrat healthcare includes killing! Killing of the body kills the soul!
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CatB
Nov. 29, 2012 at 9:34pmLook up IPAB … yes that death panel is real .. they will tell your doctor what treatment you are “allowed” …. and the doctor is even powerless to tell you what might help you … if it is “approved” for YOU.
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Chuck Stein
Nov. 30, 2012 at 1:34amFrom the article: “This is euthanasia by the backdoor”
Well, no — it is NOT “euthanasia” at all. The origin of the word “euthanasia” is Greek: “eu” (good) and “thanatos” (death). The deaths described in the article are absolute torture.
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AvengerK
Nov. 30, 2012 at 12:23pmGood job on Zeke Emanuel MONK…the man is cold blooded and he advises Barack Obama.
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NM_Conservative
Nov. 29, 2012 at 6:02pmIn July my son was born with a rare genetic syndrome which caused him to have difficulty breathing, and it eventually took his life. For months we watched him suffer as the doctors did everything they could to extend his life. It was nearly unbearable to watch the pain that would come over my son’s face as he received treatments. It is horrible what these “doctors” and hospitals are doing. What I don’t understand is why these parents who watch what is going on, allow it to happen. I know that I could never have allowed that to happen to my son.
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Silvertruth
Nov. 29, 2012 at 6:33pmYou had months with your son, even under pain and knowing you were likely going to lose him, you still learned and grew while he was on this earth. I am sorry for your loss, all loss of loved ones is impossibly hard, but it is important to learn from it and feel it.
These policies are based on the concept that life, and it’s struggles, is only about the person living it. The impact we have, the impact our struggles have, either witnesses or involved in, shapes everyone. Killing someone because they are deformed or defective, or because they are old or infirm, is horrifically Monstrous. It deprives us all of what those people were meant to be on this earth as well as make us all animals.
If they fed the people, or even the children, they will die on their own without treatments needed to correct their physical issues. I understand not giving those treatments, that is a valid choice. I will never understand starving or failing to give water to someone to death intentionally. That is cruel beyond all belief.
Thank you for caring for your child and even trying to heal him. I cannot know the pain you suffered from it, but I am certain it has changed your life. Bless you.
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NM_Conservative
Nov. 29, 2012 at 6:57pmWe eventually go to the point where he was only suffering, with no hope of medical intervention, that is when we had him removed from life support. We also made sure that he was well medicated to make certain that he passed as painlessly from this life as possible. I think that should be the option given if no other option is available.
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johnpaulkuchtajr
Nov. 29, 2012 at 7:11pmTroll, troll, troll.
We may be fiscally and socially conservative ; but, we’re not dumb.
Go back to the cave and confess to Soros that you failed.
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NM_Conservative
Nov. 29, 2012 at 10:10pm@JohnPaul before you go calling anyone a troll I think that you should have read everything that I wrote. I just commented that as a parent who has delt with a critically ill child that I find it repulsive to end a child’s life without giving them a chance, or to cause them more pain. I could see how you could have gotten the wrong idea if you just read my last sentence, but if you just took a minute to read the rest of my post you would know that I am no troll.
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SaturdaysWarrior76
Nov. 29, 2012 at 6:01pmThis is horrifying and awful. I am stunned. I don’t even know what to say. God help us. :(
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nzkiwi
Nov. 29, 2012 at 7:13pmI am also at a loss for meaningful words. The whole story is just heartbreaking…
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revelation2012
Nov. 29, 2012 at 9:09pm‘tears’
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BetterInformed
Nov. 29, 2012 at 6:01pmNext we’ll see drive-up euthanasia.
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johnpaulkuchtajr
Nov. 29, 2012 at 7:14pmGot a two year old that just doesn’t measure-up?
Not a problem.
You tried and he / she tried but it just didn’t work out.
God, I hate libs. I hope God does too.
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BlackCrow
Nov. 29, 2012 at 5:59pmCan’t spring for a syringe full of morphine? This is barbaric!
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Perkins
Nov. 29, 2012 at 6:34pmOr even a bullet in the head would be more humane
Anyone else seeing a connection to Terri Schiavo here in the US?
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ADNIL
Nov. 30, 2012 at 5:18amYes, given the choice between slowly dehydrating and starving to death, you will be BEGGING for the Obamma Pill. How clever of them, isn’t it?
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Wilsonpd
Nov. 30, 2012 at 11:42amThat’s what I was thinking. If these people believe what they are doing is right, and they have no guilt about snuffing babies and old folks, then they shouldn’t be ashamed to do the deed!
You want to kill the infirm and imperfect, do it! Shoot ‘em up and get it over with! Stand up for your convictions and don’t be ashamed who knows about it! Does it really make them feel better to torture people with thirst and starvation so that their hands remain clean? Let me say, I believe that the Lord sees their hands dripping with the blood of innocents.
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jman-6
Nov. 29, 2012 at 5:58pmTo all those involved, know that those children will be sitting on GOD’s lap when you face judgement!!
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RightUnite
Nov. 29, 2012 at 6:02pmAmen!
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JimCS
Nov. 29, 2012 at 6:23pmWhen people stop believing in God, there is nothing to impede this kind of thinking or these sorts of actions. But God does exist, even if they don’t believe. Claiming they did not know he was real will not be a defense when they are judged.
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barber2
Nov. 29, 2012 at 5:57pmHow could anyone watch another human slowly and painfully die ? The inhumanity ….
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DADDYWOREAWHITEHAT
Nov. 29, 2012 at 7:31pmI can’t even imagine a parent that would send their child off to be killed this way because they weren’t perfect enough for them. How cruel are people that would do this to an innocent & vulnerable young life. I have to go now, can’t stop crying.
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Halgar
Nov. 29, 2012 at 8:28pmSocialism always destroys people’s humanity.
You don’t have to just look at the classics, like Hitler, Stalin and Mao.
Remember about a year ago, that video of the little Chinese girl getting run over, repeatedly and people just walked by.
or that guy in New York (I think) that was lying on the sidewalk dying from getting shot) as people walked by and even mocked him.
I am not a religious man but I suspect if Satan was real that Socialism is his.
It is an attractive temptation, particularly for those people overwhelmed with greed and jealousy and no honor or work ethic. And it always brings misery, cruelty, suffering and flat out evil, enslaving all that adopt it.
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00100111
Nov. 30, 2012 at 1:24pmProgressives don’t view them as humans. They’re “Just a mass of cells and tissues.”. They don’t view them as people until they start to produce for society, when the resources they provide/produce are greater than the resources they consume. They don’t see humans as individuals, merely units of experiences, expertise, talents, skills, resources. They don’t believe in individuality, it is only the collective. You may be a person, but you’re not an individual. You live only to serve the collective, and if you don’t, or if you’re born disabled or unwanted they believe it is moral to end your life. Sick.
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tothepoint
Nov. 29, 2012 at 5:57pmMany nations have sunken to the low level of the leftists who don’t believe babies or the elderly have any rights to live. They murder unborn humans, newborns who are born alive to botched abortions and the elderly who cannot care for themselves.
So very sad.
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Balpit
Nov. 29, 2012 at 7:28pmTheir response to this would probably be,
“If you don’t like postnatal abortions, then don’t get one!”
A heroic doctor would’ve went against orders and fed the babies formula, even if in secret.
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rickc34
Nov. 29, 2012 at 5:55pmThis is what the health care changes will bring. Those that are sick or injured that cannot contribute will be basically put on a death panel. This will include those voted for Obama of all age groups. They will put a dollar value on your life. Medications and treatments including surgical in nature will be denied . If you have no worth to society …well you get the picture comrade.
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chips1
Nov. 29, 2012 at 5:54pmThe doctor mentions, “the pain of watching”? He is going to know real pain when he goes to meet Satan.
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tankyjo
Nov. 29, 2012 at 5:54pmDisgusting? Yes. New? not. Just following America’s lead folks. God help us.
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AvengerK
Nov. 29, 2012 at 6:11pmWell of course..this is what happens when government beaurocrats tell hospitals (run by the government) how much care they will provide and to who they will provide it to.
You think this isn’t coming to the U.S.? Here’s what Obama’s adviser Don Berwick who Obama had appointed to Administrator of the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services has to say to you about that….
“society makes decisions about rationing all the time,” and the “decision is not whether or not we will ration care – the decision is whether we will ration with our eyes open. And right now, we are doing it blindly.” Clear?
Still not convinced? You’ll notice the article says that usually the elderly are the first to experience this?
Obama’s Obamacare advisor Ezekiel Emanuel brother of Rahm: “Unlike allocation by sex or race, allocation by age is not invidious discrimination; every person lives through different life stages rather than being a single age. Even if 25-year-olds receive priority over 65-year-olds, everyone who is 65 years now was previously 25 years.”..yes you read that correctly Zeke advocates rationing healthcare based on age.
Let’s quote Obama’s Czar of Science John Holdren in his book “ecoscience writes: “All the children who are born, beyond what would be required to keep up the population to a desired level, must necessarily perish, unless room be made for them by the death of grown persons.”
And the enemedia attacked Palin for “death pa
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skippy6
Nov. 29, 2012 at 5:51pmWelcome to the later stages of Obama care… Death panels coming soon!!!
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limalima
Nov. 29, 2012 at 5:48pmHey, isn’t that what Obamacare is all about.
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Rightallalong
Nov. 30, 2012 at 9:14amIts also what Agenda 21 is about ….
I just finished Beck’s book, and I have to say that it was a very disappointing read. It was a god idea, a very poor execution. It was written at about a 5th grade level. Did very little to explain the back-story and the approach that the Progressives will use to take Agenda 21 forward.
If you have even the most elemental understanding of Agenda 21 I am afraid the book is a waste of time.
Also, Beck mentions that if you like 1984 you should like this book … well this book is not even in the same universe as 1984 in terms of the structure of the story, the compelling characters and the philosophical statement it is trying to make. This book blatantly steals from Huxley’s Brave New world, as well as from 1984, Fahrenheit 451 and a bit from Animal Farm.
Everyone that has a passion for freedom should instead read those books (again if you did back in HS) as well as Behind the Green Mask.
Overall I would not recommend Agenda 21, as a novel. Its a waste of time when you could spend that time reading some of thee classics mentioned above as well as Gulag Archipelago, Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich.
Agenda 21 is essentially Socialism with Green Spin … the end result is the same. The power elite control everyone and everything under the guise of protecting the earth.
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hatchetjob
Nov. 29, 2012 at 5:47pmWe’re all gonna wish we’d never been born after Oblamo is finished with us.
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karen162
Nov. 29, 2012 at 5:47pmOK, now I have seen evil. I thought I had already seen evil, but this article lets me know I was very, very mistaken.
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1proud_Texan
Nov. 29, 2012 at 5:46pmDisgusting!!!
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AvengerK
Nov. 29, 2012 at 6:23pmOh but it’s America that’s not a compassionate country..remember?
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Exidor
Nov. 29, 2012 at 5:43pmDeath pathways = death panels?
Coming soon……
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SpencerG
Nov. 29, 2012 at 5:43pmOh, hello Eugenics! How are you doing today?
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flatbroke
Nov. 29, 2012 at 5:42pm“and they have no regard for their young, or very old” I wonder where the line between “sick or disabled” ends on this? hummm???
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ADNIL
Nov. 30, 2012 at 5:30amOnce this line has been accepted, it will move on to “those who (don’t) produce enough to support themselves, and, perhaps, a little bit more………” namely, the leeches who are voting in these b@stards again and again, whose votes were purchased with $20 0bama phones, only these idiots can’t think past these cheap freebies. “He gonna do more!” You bet your bippy he is.
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HelloWorld
Nov. 29, 2012 at 5:42pmWelcome to the horrifying reality that is socialized medicine where bean pushers decide what ethics are. This is the post-birth abortion reality that is being pushed by our god like administrators and legal policy makers. Easy for them, they don’t have to watch the horrific death. But, more than half of our country thinks this type of medicine is optimal.
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environmentalandawake
Nov. 29, 2012 at 5:41pmComing to a Country near you in 2013! This is what the idiots voted for.
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BEAR0571
Nov. 29, 2012 at 5:38pmThose of you that do this, agree with it, or pushes for this type of torture, you will be remembered and dealt with accordingly. Mark my word!
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Tri-ox
Nov. 29, 2012 at 5:36pmThis is EXACTLY what obama and his ‘death panels’ have planned for America.
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South Philly Boy
Nov. 29, 2012 at 5:35pmWill that happen in the USA?
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HelloWorld
Nov. 29, 2012 at 5:43pmYes – a baby was supposedly born healthy recently in Chicago after they told the mother the baby was dead. Go figure.
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RightUnite
Nov. 29, 2012 at 6:03pmIt will cease to exist….
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IWISHIWASINTEXAS
Nov. 29, 2012 at 6:28pmHelloworld: Really? Can you post a link to that please? I gotta see that article :( I can’t believe the inhumane crap that happens in the world. Thanks!
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Spidereye
Nov. 29, 2012 at 7:46pmIwishIwasinTexas…That did happen. They said the baby had no heart beat and delivered it by caecerean and when they held him he gasped and started breathing. Evidently they were wrong about no heart beat. Anyway, the parents were overjoyed. Was it a miracle? Maybe.
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snooop1e
Nov. 30, 2012 at 2:01amYou asked
“Will this happen in America?”
NOT A CHANCE brother, everyone knows we are WAY more sophisticated than the Brits, we kill them in the womb before those little carbon emitters can exhale any green house gases or use up any resources, that’s efficiency, that’s being GREEN
I’d be very interested to see how many people who are “outraged” by this just so happen to be pro-abortion.
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StandingOnMyHead
Dec. 1, 2012 at 12:01amIt is already here with the elderly.
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