S.E. Cupp Advises GOP to Back Gay Marriage: ‘Conservatism and Gay Rights Should Be…Natural Allies’
TheBlaze’s S.E. Cupp is advising the Republican party to get behind gay marriage once and for all. During MSNBC’s “The Cycle,” of which Cupp is a co-host, she said conservatism and gay rights, in theory, should be “natural allies” because conservatives want to keep the government out of people’s personal lives.
“There are parts of the Republican party in which gay marriage has already been decided,” Cupp said. “For Log Cabin Republicans like myself, the GOProud crowd, there are people who have already reconciled, within the party, gay marriage.”
She went on: “Conservatism and gay rights should be, in many people’s minds, natural allies — keeping the government out of private lives.”
But Cupp also said people should not mock or marginalize those, on the right or left, who have religious objections to the concept of same-sex marriage.
“They can have those points of view…I think, as a party, the GOP needs to get a little bit more tolerant about those issues. As a big tent party. Not personally. You can personally disagree with gay marriage if you want,” Cupp said.
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kickagrandma
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:21pmNo, S.E., you are wrong. Most all (not all, but most) conservatives are also CHRISTIAN. GOD not only “dislikes” homosexuality, HE “abhors” it. GOD, unlike people, does not sugar-coat either HIS FEELINGS or HIS COMMANDMENTS. HE calls sexual perversion a sin against HIM. GOD does not call homosexuality “gay”. HE calls it an abomination.
Be good for you to start using HIS language, S.E., as HE has so gifted you with beauty, brains and talent. Many of us are praying for the eyes of your heart to be opened to HIM so you are then indeed HIS.
soybomb315_II
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:29pmUsing your logic, the federal government should make it illegal to ever get drunk (drunkenness is a sin).
No. The proper response is to say the federal government balance the budget and protect our rights from being infringed….Other than that, Washington DC should have nothing to do with me
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DarkJello
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:30pmNatural man is so crafty, smart, wise, proud… and foolish beyond belief.
Don’t believe me? Just look at our trajectory as a country. Sad panda.
American motto: Fail for the win!
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drenfroe
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:36pmI agree she’s full of it.
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brother_ed
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:37pm@SOYBOMB315_II
The government does outlaw drunkeness.
DUI (or DWI) and Public Intox co,e to mind.
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bava
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:41pmSo. If you don’t spell god or him with capital locks you get struck down? OUCH! So how’s it going for you. Believing in that great wish giver in the sky, Santachrist. All your wishes come true? No? There is no difference between you and the idiots in the Middle East. Same fake god, different day. Good luck with it.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:42pmthat is driving. it is legal to be drunk on private property
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Coded-Dude
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 7:09pmSince when did God decide to let Christian’s dictate everyone else’s lives(public or private). Last I checked he gave us free will…… Let them get married and burn in hell, how does it affect any of you personally? (flame-suit on)
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DarkJello
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 7:11pmBava:
Are you fine with the tens of millions of Americans that worship Owebama?
He won the gimmedat vote going away. Goodies for all, except “racists” of course.
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Silversmith
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 7:12pm@kickgrandma While I would never tell you how to feel from a religious perspective, I think it’s important that political parties be about governing and not about social agendas. What is the government doing licensing marriage anyway? A civil union is about relationships as they impact property. Marriage is something for people of faith to discuss/debate. The government has no place beyond property.
If the Republican party wants to survive and remain at all relevant, it will have to stop trying to define society and concentrate on providing a secure arena for society to define itself. After all – that’s freedom right?
Silversmith
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AmericaMustBeFree
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 7:15pmYou do realize S.E.is a athiest? She doesn’t understand about being a Christian, she may have some of our values, but she does not have Christian values. She has no clue that being gay is a sin! But maybe what she does understand is.. its none of our business.. God will take care of those who live in sin! And isn’t judging a sin.. we do it day in and day out… one of the hardest sins itself to break! I am not saying don’t stop standing up for our beliefs.. not at all.. but really we all will be judged for our own sins and Christ clearly said, “Judge not, lest ye be judged”! The day and age we live in, the now it is between good and evil.. so, “choose ye this day, whom ye will serve”!
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Amos37
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 7:18pmthis lady doesn’t have a clue, neither does anyone else who has no relationship with the true god through his son jesus christ by the power of the holy spirit. the muslims serve a different god with a different name so get it right, moron.
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ShyLow
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 7:18pmLeave social issues to the individuals of each state to vote on.
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brother_ed
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 7:18pm@BAVA
God is usually capitalized out of respect, or because in this case it is a proper noun.
I don’t make fun of your disbelief, I would appreciate it if you didn’t make fun of my belief.
We can disagree and still be civil.
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Whirligig
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 7:20pmWhat does the Bible say about no-fault divorces? What about infidelity? Premarital sex? Masturbation? Should we make all of these things illegal as well?
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All Pro
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 7:30pmThe USA is not a theocracy. It’s a constitutional republic. The federal government doesn’t have the authority to regulate marriage. But it does have the authority to enforce this,
Article IV
Section 2
1: The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
That means that same sex couples are by federal law entitled to all rights and privileges that straight couples are entitled to. Sorry Progressive.
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Git-R-Done
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 7:52pmWhirligig – It was you sick perverted social liberals that got no fault divorce laws passed. And since your side whines about marriage being a right, why aren’t you supportive of incest or polygamy or polyandry or other alternative forms of marriage?
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The-Monk
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 7:52pm@All Pro
Article IV
Section 2
1: The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
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They how come States can have different gun laws?
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The-Monk
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 8:06pmEdit;
They how come States can have different gun laws?
Then not they. “Then how come States can have different gun laws?”
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Wisdom7
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 8:07pm“There are parts of the Republican party in which gay marriage has already been decided,” Cupp said. “For Log Cabin Republicans like myself, the GOProud crowd, there are people who have already reconciled, within the party, gay marriage.”
So she is a Log Cabin republican, which is a gay and lesbian organization. Is that not what she just said here with “For Log Cabin Republicans like myself…”?
Then she says “They can have those points of view…”. Oh well gee thanks for your permission… Obviously her viewpoint is going to be just as biased on the matter as those against it. I don’t need your permission by the way.
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black9897
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 8:14pmShe needs to keep that pretty **** down.
Anyways. She’s right, simply because one thinks it should be legally allowed doesn’t mean they agree with it morally. I will always stand by God’s definition of marriage: One man, One woman. I won’t however get the government to define it..i’d rather see them out of it all together.
If the government can define marriage (which many on here would agree with things such as DOMA) then what about other things? Things we wouldn’t agree with? What if they defined a terrorist as a white male, who loves guns, very religious, who served in the military? Most of us on here would fit at least 3 of those.
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NOT A CRAZY
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 8:41pmI have been yelling from the mountain tops about SE Cupp for years. There is nothing good about her and I cannot understand why anyone who claims they are a Conservative would give her the time of day. She is a sign of exactly what you end up with when you deny God. If the only things that are different between the Left and the Right are fiscal issues then both sides just need to split it down the middle, set Obama up as Dear Leader and walk off into the sunset.
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dealer@678
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 9:20pmGlenn, if someone like her is the face of your network i’m gonna bow out
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dealer@678
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 9:37pmLet me get this straight. An atheist, pro abortion, pro gay marriage, woman that Glenn Beck wants me to LISTEN to. I’ll pass thank you very much
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jblaze
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 9:45pmWhat all you confused people about God don’t understand is that there are physical laws and there are spiritual laws. Every time you break one of these laws, there is a penalty to pay. You can’t change it! Someday, somehow, you will pay and that is just it. Break a physical law you pay the price; break a spiritual law you pay the price. It has nothing to do with the government; it is a personal and individual matter.
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inblack
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 9:54pmFor you morons that want to impose your religious views on gays, you are as bad as the nazi’s in the Obama administration who want to destroy religion.
I have nothing against gay unions, it’s their business. I am against govt redefining marriage.
Gay marriage is a fake issue designed to force Catholics and other christian groups who believe that marriage is only for the purpose of conceiving and raising children to submit to the state and deny their religion.
Marriage is a religious institution not a govt institution.
If you believe in separation of church and state then the state needs to get the hell out of marriage and leave it to religion. It is only when the govt imposes its opinion on religion that we end up with conflict in this country.
You must pay for abortion, you must pay for contraceptives, you must pay for sterilizations, and you must marry gay people and provide them the same benefits and recognition as real married couples.
Obama and the democratic party made this the focus of 1/2 of their convention this year. Why do you thing they will not force religions to marry gays?
Get the govt out of our churches, our kitchens, our bedrooms, our economy and our business.
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The_Jerk
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 9:54pmTell the lunatic S.E. Cupp to shut up. She’s another fraud conservative.
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The_Jerk
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 10:04pmGay marriage is not a religious argument. It is secular. First cousins can not marry. Mothers and sons can not marry. Fathers and daughters can not marry. Brothers and sisters can not marry. Thus, marriage is not a fundamental civil right.
There are a plethora of relationships that the human mind can conjure up. Only one relationship is unique to safeguard the human race, the one between man and woman. Thus, that relationship is the only relationship, that society has an obligation to protect, promote, and legitimize. All others are useless.
Please pass this on to ***** Cupp.
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dealer@678
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 10:04pm@everybody here. God is NOT gonna change the rules because some skank that works for Glenn Beck says different.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 10:05pmi was wondering why people on these posts kept mentioning SE as libertarian…I just watched the video in HORROR
When SE Cupp is on theblaze, she chastises liberterian ideology. But apparently when she goes to MSNBC she calls herself a libertarian! What a B!tch !!!
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dealer@678
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 10:12pmWhat will Becks Princess say next……
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dealer@678
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 10:24pmShe may be smart book wise but she aint got a lick of common sense
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jimbo_from_suwanee
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 10:39pmIsn’t public drunkenness illegal? It is in my state.
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WhatisHappeningtoUS
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 11:21pmI see your Christian faith as taught you love, tolerance, and that God loves you just as you are.
Unfortunately this attitude will kill the Republican party, no one feels comfortable with this level of hate.
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Keatonc333
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 11:22pmLove this argument. First off, do to the 1st sentence of the first amendment, religion should have no effect on lawmaking. and all this is is a religious law. secondly, the hypocrisy is amazing! you guys blatantly support thing jesus actually preached against. Jesus said rich people won’t go to heaven (Matthew 19:24) Jesus preached openly several different times about the wrongs of adultery and divorce and yet you guys love people like Newt Gingrich, Rush Limbaugh, Donald Trump.. Its the fact that homosexuality makes you uncomfortable, and so you hate it. and you try to use religion to justify it but then you just look like a hypocrite… a homophobic hypocrite
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Keatonc333
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 11:24pmjesus sat with, talk to and took care of the prostitutes in biblical times… Do you think jesus morally supported prostitution? or do you think he was “christian” enough to help and support a person in need
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Keatonc333
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 11:27pmTo the Jerk. First cousins are allowed to marry in 26 different states.. thats how many more than gay marriage?
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Beck_Art_-_Obama_In_Pee-Pee
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 11:29pm“TheBlaze’s S.E. Cupp is advising the Republican party to get behind gay marriage once and for all.”
What other kind of advise would you expect from “a woman” calling herself “S.E. Cupp”?
Get married and be submissive to your husband. Get back (or for the first time) to your kitchen and care for the rearing your family. Learn to be a woman, Cupp. And get the hell off the our voting role, okay?
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The_Jerk
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 11:39pmWhatisHappeningtoUS: “I see your Christian faith as taught you love, tolerance… .”
Animals are tolerant. Civilized man is not, which is why he is civilized. You’re just another twisted sister that flips the lexicon.
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valiant1776
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 11:54pm@soybomb315_II It’s also legal for two men to lie down together on private property. Marriage is an ancient and natural institution, not a behavior. Marriage came before any worldly Government. Governments can only recognize and protect Marriage, they didn’t create it. Our Creator made us male and female, and for this reason a man leaves his parents and finds a wife, that they two may become one flesh. Government is not above our Creator. God ordained Governments to be ministers of God, not of men. Our forefathers acknowledged our dependency on God, and as public servants, accepted that they were accountable to God, the Supreme Judge.
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Keatonc333
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 12:13amAt the jerk.. first cousins can get married in 26 states.
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DuckHawk
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 12:25am@SOYBOMB315_II
No one is arguing for making it illegal to be homosexual on private property. We are arguing to keep the definition of marriage between a man a woman. Marriage is not a union between the couple and the government. It is a union between the couple and God. S.E is categorically wrong on this. She is arguing it from her atheist background as if this is a social issue and it is not. If she wants to make a suggestion about what the republicans should compromise on, then look at the current so called “fiscal cliff”. Taxes are a social issue. Obamacare is a social issue. Homosexuality is a moral issue.
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Walkabout
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 12:34amsoybomb315_II
A gay man leaving his money to whoever is none of my business. But he doesn’t need marriage to do that. We need to get the federal government out of people lives by getting rid of the inheritance tax.
We don’t need gay marriage. Get rid of the inheritance tax & the progressive tax fiasco & those arguments go away.
Gay issues do not stop at repeal of DADT & gay marriage. They go on to gay adoption & celebration in schools of all grade levels of gays. There will be a gay pride month & everything that foes with it. And the teacher will make sure that your kid participates.
Rush said last week that marijuana legalization is here. It might be in a few states now, but it is here. It will stay at least for a while. Gay marriage is also here. Just because it is here does not mean it will work. It will take a while to sort thru it, but in the end it will be found to be a mistake. All sorts of statistics will tell us that. In that regards Obama Care will uncover the harmful effects of the gay lifestyle choice.
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scarydave
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 12:39amHorse-Pooh!
Gay Rights and Conservatism has nothing in common.
S.E. is wrong big-time on this one. I’m not about to give up my morality so the GOP looks more inclusive or some such BS.
A strong and intelligent 3rd Party is looking like the only answer for us Conservatives. The GOP has lost me forever.
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Walkabout
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 12:45amSilversmith
All laws come from morality. Like laws against murder. I read in Scientific American where a scientist said morality is hardwired with some wiggle room. Thus not all cultures are the same.
Let them have gay marriage. I don’t think it will work out as good as they think it will. I have known Lesbian wanting to get married & have kids but not gays. I think marriage will have a pernicious effect of the gay lifestyle choice. I think it will take 3 generations before they admit defeat.
In a way it is almost better that we not say too much about it, so that when the culture comes to its’ senses, they kind of slink out of it & pretend that they never were in the gay scene.
On the other hand, they will be teaching gay culture in the schools until they wise up. That will be deleterious to our youth.
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scarydave
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 12:50amWHATISHAPPENINGTOUS
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 11:21pm
I see your Christian faith as taught you love, tolerance, and that God loves you just as you are.
Unfortunately this attitude will kill the Republican party, no one feels comfortable with this level of hate.
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The GOP already committed suicide so you are way too late.
FYI… This has NOTHING to do with HATE. This has to do with M-O-R-A-L-I-T-Y. Some people are moral, and many others… not so much.
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Walkabout
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 12:51amThe-Monk
“Send the Meteors” remarked on the British Baby Killing Story that she (or he) thought you were a new poster & so wanted a little more information on you. It was a very lame phishing expedition.
Kregneva did the same thing a few days back.
These progressives, paid or not, are playing for keeps.
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DuckHawk
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 12:53am@WHATISHAPPENINGTOUS
So love and tolerance = agreement. By your definition when a parent disciplines their child then they are showing hate. They can’t possibly love and tolerate their child if they could get on to them for getting arrested or sneaking out of the house or running into the street. Basically doing anything a parent would disagree with. Logical.
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WakingSheep
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 1:24amIm straight. It’s bs that I have to get a license to marry in the first place!
Some of you will never understand free will.
Leave judgement to God.
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valiant1776
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 1:43am“Leave judgement to God.”
Maybe our state legislators, before legalizing homosexual marriage, should do what our founding fathers did, and appeal to the Supreme Judge of the World for the rectitude of their intentions. And then, they should should accept the Laws of Nature, as did our founders. This a close case. Only radical Marxist morons keep trying to change society and civilization.
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chalkdust
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 2:22amI don’t know if the republican party should embrace gay marriage. I mean, the republican party needs constituents. I have been willing to overlook the hypocrisy in the party because I find fiscal issues to be more important. I have no problem with religious peoples beliefs and will always stand up for their right. But I draw the line when religious people try to force their morality on others. Believe what you will but gay men and women deserve equal protection under the law. Live and let live or be swept into the annals of history.
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sillyfreshness
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 2:55amThis whole business that all political parties are catering to the gay community is ridiculous. Gay behavior is a mental illness plain and simple. It seems that liberals and conservatives are wining and dinning the gays to get their vote. They are a small minority-from 3 to 10% of our society. They are a small minority, but very, very vocal and in your face. If you didn’t know better, you’d think 70% of the US is gay, that’s how loud they are. Now the Republicans and Democrats are defining themselves as who is the most gay friendly. Stop catering to these mentally ill people and let them get the treatment they deserve.
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milez5
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 3:43amOne time years ago, I had a conversation with a preacher and somehow the subject of gay equality came up. I said that I know some gays and they are smart, creative people. Why not give them equal rights including marriage. He said that he always believed that gays were not the problem. He said that the problem was that by the time a society was prepared to accept open homosexuality it had already thrown out all of its moral values, and that gay rights were like the straw that broke the camels back. I think that is the real problem here. Gay rights did not happen in a vacuum. The 1960′s, and everything that they stood for had to happen first. What S C does not seem to see is that this is just a symptom of a larger problem. Half the population are secular progressives that want a welfare state and everything–including gay rights–that goes with it, and half don’t want that, and sure don’t want to pay for it. This will not end well!!!
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Wisdom7
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 4:51am@Whatishappeningtous
It’s not hate. They are just angry. It’s unfortunate that people such as yourself can say “Unfortunately this attitude will kill the Republican party…” but not worry about the giant bully (democrat progressives) slapping these conservatives in the face daily and calling them stupid, uneducated, neanderthal, anti-science, anti-women, racist, bigot, homophobe, Islamophobe, anothermadeupwordaphobe, and telling their children that everything they tell them is fantasy and dumb.
Yet at the same time these same people tell them and their children that it’s okay to have sex with as many people as possible even while married; to just abort babies if they get in the way of said sexual behavior; to engage in depravity; to disrespect all those around you and be praised for it; to call people names and attack their character to get their way; to act like spoiled brats in the public square; to lie and cheat to get their way; to talk out both sides of their mouth; to sue anyone who disagrees with their agenda; and in general act like a loon and no one will call them on it. Not only will they not call them on it, they will be praised for it by their peers! I could go on with this list, but what’s the point. They can obviously do no wrong right?
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gsp9993
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 5:58amAgreed. S.E. and the rest of the “Lost Generation” have no real ability for critical thinking and are prone to peer pressure and and just plain laziness.
Isn’t it amazing that the new world digicrats have all the information available in their hands to help make these decisions. However, much of the posted information on the internet today is biased, wrong or just plain propaganda.
Our lazy young generation has taken the easy way out. It’s not too late to change their direction, but right now they are headed toward doom.
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The_Truth_Seems_Cruel
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 6:31amI Agree, Never compromise on Biblical morals!
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1776freedomofspeech
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 7:18am@Kickagrndma
Amen Grandma!
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Thatsitivehadenough
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 7:18amSE Cupp is an atheist. Thus, she has no reason to understand those of us who are against ‘Gay’ marriage.
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SilentRunner
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 8:09amAs a matter of fact the New Testament says that practicing queers will not go to heaven.
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RepubliCorp
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 8:09amSOYBOMB315_II okay…….****’s cant drive
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issiah53
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 8:27amTo those who believe that the Government should stay out of our lives; we would still have slavery if the government stayed out of our lives. We would all still be illiterate if the government had stayed out of our lives as our founding fathers help institute mandatory school attendance. The government has been involved in our lives from the beginning. Jesus realized that government played a part in our lives when he said render unto Caesar the things that are Caesars and to God the things that are God’s. He did not say have no relation to the government or that the government have no relation to believers. Paul said in Romans that those in authority were ministers of God to execute judgment, right judgment. In Leviticus 18 God’s word gives us a list of offenses that will bring down a nation. In this list we see pornography, killing of helpless children (abortion), adultery, homosexuality, bestiality. It says in all these a nation is defiled. America has become defiled. It also states that when a nation defiles itself that it will bring God’s judgment, they will be cast off. It then tell the nations to keep God’s statutes and judgments not the individual but the nation as a whole or face God’s wrath.
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freeus
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 8:40amSatin speaking here.
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OLDPAINT
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 8:45amYou dopes don’t think the ever-lovely and brilliant S.E. Cupp was being sarcastic, now do ya? …nah…not you. dimbulbs.
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Red Meat
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 9:15amCupp is a despicable Atheist. She is a frequent guest on the traitorous FOX News Channel and writes columns for Hot Air. They should all be ignored and shamed.
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Pink_Panther_Party
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 9:43amS E CUPP IS THE REASON I QUIT SUBSCRIBING TO GBTV.
I love Glenn and dearly miss watching him and the other shows on GBTV, but when I couldn’t sign on to the network due to repeated insufficient bandwidth, received no response from “customer service” and found out that Cupp is an atheist and a homosexual sympathizer, (uh…just EXACTLY how is she “conservative” again?…..lol) I needed to find a REAL source of conservative news and didn’t feel right about our (God’s) resources going to be used to pay her and other liberal leaning (like THEBLAZE.COM) elements of Glenn’s new empire.
I think GLENN is letting his cart get ahead of his horses, and while I wish him all the good fortune in the world, I can’t support him until he cleans up the (ahem) trail that he’s leaving behind the donkey cart again.
Just my opinion!
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PubliusPencilman
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 9:48amThe Bible also says that God abhors idolatry and other such religious practices, and yet the United States gives rights to all forms of religious worship. Why? Because the religious views of some should never be used to restrict the rights of everyone. It’s as simple as that.
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PubliusPencilman
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 9:52amJerk,
“Only one relationship is unique to safeguard the human race, the one between man and woman. Thus, that relationship is the only relationship, that society has an obligation to protect, promote, and legitimize. All others are useless.”
And where in the Constitution does it say that the U.S. government has the right to restrict any social practices not conducive to “safeguarding” the human race? What section explicitly prohibits “useless” relationships? By this do you mean non-procreative relationships? Like marriages in which one spouse is infertile, or marriages between the elderly? If two consenting adults love each other and care for each other and are committed to a supportive life-long relationship, in what sense is that “useless”?
That’s the funny thing about the Constitution–you can’t just make up sections when you want to restrict people’s rights.
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PubliusPencilman
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 9:54amAmericaMustBeFree,
What an ironic screenname!
“You do realize S.E.is a athiest? She doesn’t understand about being a Christian, she may have some of our values, but she does not have Christian values. She has no clue that being gay is a sin!”
And yet, none of this directly pertains to the question of why the government should ban gay marriage. The fact that Cupp is an atheist and doesn’t share your values is the exact reason why the government has no right to impose YOUR values on HER.
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MERRYRIVER
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 9:56amSome commenting here associate as Christians and yet argue about indulging homosexual activism “we are not to judge”…
THAT’S THEOLOGICALLY INCORRECT as to Christianity. God, indeed, asks us to judge, as in, “to evaluate” and to discern what is in keeping with Him and what is offensive to Him per his Word and through the wisdom of the Holy Spirit. He reserves the act of “condemnation” within any judgement for Himself: only God condemns. But as to judgement as evaluation and discernment, we most certainly are to do so, as an act of living “in His Word” or according to what He asks of us. We CAN, then, “judge” homosexuality according to what God tells us about it, but the act of condemning those who engage and/or fascilitate it is God’s privilege, not our place to do.
God is clear about this:
(1 Corinthians 5:12-13) God takes care of judging those outside the church, but calls on us to “rightly judge” (Luke 7:43) those inside.
“Judge” means discern and deal with appropriately; there’s another Greek word for “condemn” which is given to Jesus alone (John 5:22 & 1 Cor 5:10).
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PubliusPencilman
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 9:57amValient,
“And then, they should should accept the Laws of Nature, as did our founders. ”
Ha! You seem to forget that, at the time, many founders interpreted the “laws of nature” to say that it was right and proper that black people should be enslaved to serve white people.
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PubliusPencilman
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 9:58amthatsitivehadenough,
“SE Cupp is an atheist. Thus, she has no reason to understand those of us who are against ‘Gay’ marriage.”
And yet, you think this means you have the right to impose your personal belief on her?
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4thGenerationWarrior
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 10:04amAs I have said for years every issue has two points to them 1) the consitutional and 2) the moral and virtuous- righteousness. While things of virtue are always constitutional, behaviors which are constitutional are not necessarily virtuous or based upon principles of righteousness.
God has the luxury of knowing all things, whereas we do not. He gets to proclaim that homosexuality is an abomination AND reject homosexuals from His Kingdom, but we have no such luxury. If you purport to follow the constitution and be a man or woman of God then we must forgive, learn to love even our enemies and those sinners whose actions we despise- Did not Christ despise the sins of those whom He blessed?
Consitutionally, homosexuality, same-sex marriage and even polygamy ARE constitutionally protected practices. Morally, without question homosexuality and any practice with homosexuality at its foundation- gay marriage are unquestionally morally reprehensible- abomonations. Polygamy has been authorized by God throughout the scriptures.
We as human beings must allow these behaviors, actions, practices- after all we have free will- if we choose eternal life or eternal damnation. The constitutional allows for such latitude. As a Conservative Libertarian and clergyman I recognize this line must be walked by we Children of God, if we do not allow others to make mistakes and choices of their own then they can never learn the eternal lessons that we must certainly learn to become as Christ.
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WakingSheep
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 10:09am@gsp9993
I can’t believe you are blaming this on my generation!
How many times have we voted? I have been old enough for 2!
Look at all those wonderful candidates I have had to choose from!
I was born into this solialist mess!
Liberty! Free markets! Sound currency!
Get the rest out of the way!
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PlowMan
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 10:09amIndeed, Kick, indeed! I will abandon the party if it turns in this direction. There is absolutely no sense in this! As much as I think Mitt Romney is a good and decent man I think he is a moderate and we need to nominate a conservative. I mean a REAL conservative to be president. This and only this will win the White House and turn this country back in the right direction.
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Commander8080
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 10:18amAgreed homosexuality is a sin that offends God. With that said going further left on issues like this only takes you further way from your Christian conservative base that gave you such a victory in 2010. Remember that? Of course you don’t because you abandoned the tea part conservatives in 2012 when you did not let the people decide who to run. You picked Romney a weak candidate and not one approved by the tea party and you lost big time.
Of course everyone wants you to go further to the center on issues like this and abortion. Yes I said abortion and not women’s health issues; but abortion. If they get the Republicans to move on these issues it only makes it easier for them to get you to move further to the left on other issues. Hold firm is all we ask.
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eddie333
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 10:39amBava,
Your “genie in a bottle” concept of God makes it apparent you never read the Bible. Why would you? Sounds like you have no use for Him.
Either educate yourself on God, or stop talking about things you know nothing about.
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The_Jerk
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 10:40amChalkdust: “Believe what you will but gay men and women deserve equal protection under the law.”
Fact is, they do. Marriage doesn’t fall under that protection however. If it did, adult brothers could marry their adult sisters, cousins could marry cousins, mothers marry sons, fathers marry daughters… or any other perverse relationship that the human mind can conjure up.
Society has no responsibility, or obligation to protect, legitimize, normalize, any of the perverse relationships. Only one stands above all others, per nature not God, and that is the man/woman relationship needed to carry on the species.
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The_Jerk
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 10:43amPubliusPencilman, Article l of our Constitution.
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The_Jerk
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 10:49amPubliusPencilman, government doesn’t ban gay marriage. It simply doesn’t recognize, legitimize, normalize, or protect gay marriage. You can create your “Church of the Steers and Queers” and marry anyone of your choosing. But, society has no obligation to recognize, legitimize, protect, or normalize your abnormality.
That’s the difference.
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ltb
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 10:58amWhat most people fail to realize is that homosexuality is not the problem, it is a symptom of a much deeper problem. When a society devolves to the point where men are able to marry other men, the people in that society are no longer able to discern the difference between acceptable and unacceptable behavior.
Is it any surprise that such a society would elect liars and thieves? Is it a shock that such a society would trade its freedom to charlatans for empty promises? Is it so hard to grasp why such a society would have an economy dominated by corrupt corporations concerned only with making a buck? Is it a huge revelation that such a society also murders millions of babies every year because they are not “economically feasible”?
People, the fact that homosexuality is openly flaunted in our society, instead of viewed as a source of shame, demonstrates that America has become so corrupt that there is little hope of turning things around at this point. Next stop is financial ruin and after that a “savior” from hell to pick up the pieces a la Germany 1930s.
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The_Jerk
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 11:04amKeatonc333: “At the jerk.. first cousins can get married in 26 states.”
I don’t have a problem with making it a states’ rights issue, provided the federal courts stay out.
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The_Jerk
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 11:09amKeatonc333, but I should have also mentioned that the fact, cousins can marry in 26 states and not in 24 states, proves my point. Marriage is not a fundamental human right protected by the Constitution.
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ManinOZ
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 11:11amIn the Old and New Testaments, any illness was considered a result of sin. Let’s stop this madness!! Let’s call Homosexuality what it is…a genetic disorder! Then, let’s get the Repubs to start a fund for research on the cure. Does anyone realize it is the ONLY genetic abnormality that no one is looking to cure??? How sad is that? By the way, just like Sickle cell, Parkinson’s, Cystic Fibrosis, Down Syndrome, etc., amniocentesis can be used to detect and then abort fetuses that might be born gay! Isn’t this the LOGICAL CONCLUSION???
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LIBSALWAYSLIE
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 11:14amWrong! SE, wake up! This is wrong on so many levels. The traditional family unit, mother, father, children, is the answer, not more disgusting liberal garbage.
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PubliusPencilman
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 11:21amJerk,
“It simply doesn’t recognize, legitimize, normalize, or protect gay marriage.”
And how many of those are actually the government’s job in regards to both heterosexual and gay marriage? The government “recognizes” marriage as a contract between two consenting adults, but there is no inherent reason why those adults have to be male and female unless you think the government also has a responsibility to “legitimize, normalize, or protect” certain social/religious practices. The problem is, the government has no such responsibility or obligation.
In other words, you are right that the government is under no obligation to “legitimize, normalize, or protect” gay marriage, but at the same time, it is not empowered either to “legitimize, normalize, or protect” traditional marriage. Therefore, there can be no relevant legal argument against gay marriage. If that’s the case, then you would have to admit that you are arbitrarily attempted to impose your personal values on others, which is something that the Constitution DOES protect us against.
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binge_thinker
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 11:28amSociety needs to draw the line somewhere. Why allow gay marriage and nothing else? I haven’t heard any good arguments about why gay marriage should be legal.
“It doesn’t affect your marriage” – That’s a weak argument…three women marrying three men doesn’t affect anyone’s marriage so should society accept that too?
“Why shouldn’t they be allowed to marry the person they love?” – Like the example before… a nephew could be sexually attracted to his aunt , so should they be allowed to get married too?
Just because non-reproductive sexual behavior (could) exist across many species doesn’t mean that that makes it normal or that we should re define what has been accepted all throughout millienia.
S.E, you deserve to be on BSnbc.
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VerySeniorCitizen
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 11:32am@NOT A CRAZY
YOU must be a newcomer to the Beck world. S.E. Cupp and Glenn beck have been working togethr for a few years. Cupp even had time given to her on GBTV. Check it out!
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PubliusPencilman
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 12:11pmBinge_thinker,
You are not exactly living up to your name there.
“I haven’t heard any good arguments about why gay marriage should be legal.”
That’s the funny thing about a free society–people don’t have to have a reason for things to be legal. Can you think of compelling and convincing arguments for why fireworks should be legal? It has always been the case in our society that you need to have a solid and convincing case for something to be ILLEGAL. Otherwise, why wouldn’t it be allowed?
““Why shouldn’t they be allowed to marry the person they love?” – Like the example before… a nephew could be sexually attracted to his aunt , so should they be allowed to get married too?”
But saying that marriage is “between a man and a woman” does no more to address this problem (the nephew is a male and the aunt is a female, right?). Incest is illegal now, and the argument against it would not change at all if gay marriage were legalized, so what is your point?
Frankly, it’s amazing to me that you think you live in such a tyrannical country that people have to convince YOU when they want something legalized, regardless of whether you have an argument against it. As if being personally “unconvinced” was grounds to deny people rights.
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HYPNOTOAD
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 12:19pmAMERICAMUSTBEFREE: I’m tired of that scripture being quoted wrong. We make judgements every day. God said “Life for death, blessing or curse, you decide” That is making a judgement. We can make judgements, we have to know that we will be judged with the same measure that we judge something. There is a book in the bible called “Judges” for crying out loud.
It’s amazing to me how many of my fellow Christians don’t read the Word of God and understand it. I’m not perfect and don’t know everything. But this is Bible 101 people.
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The_Jerk
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 12:24pmPubliuspencilman: “… but there is no inherent reason why those adults have to be male and female unless you think the government also has a responsibility to “legitimize, normalize, or protect” certain social/religious practices.”
They do have to male and female in society, or else society goes away. Not true of homosexuals. Second, government routinely modifies behavior through punishment and reward. Just look no further than the sin tax. It wants less legalized smoking and drinking. So, it legislates, treating tobacco and alcohol differently than it treats carrots and lettuce, or sodas, or Big Macs… . All legal products treated differently.
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valiant1776
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 12:28pmMarriage is an institution, not a behavior. Period.
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bette1953
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 12:34pm3 million Republicans chose not to vote for moderate Republican, Mitt Romney. I was not one of them. But if the Republican Party decides to adopt the immoral positions of the Democratic Party, I will not be voting Republican in the next election. I have held my nose and voted four times for moderate Republicans that then lost the election. As long as the moral platform remained I was able to live with my vote. I am sure, however, that millions of us will not do so if the Republican Party becomes the Democratic Party light–moral degeneracy! It seems to fly of the head of Bill Krystal and his ilk that its the increasing loss of the conservative vote that will end the Republican Party. Every time the Republican Establishment runs a moderate candidate they lose!! Ford, Bush the first’s second run (He won the first time o the record of Ronald Reagan) , Dole, McCain, and now Romney. If people want immorality and socialism, they already have it in the White House. No reason to change horses!
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PubliusPencilman
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 12:42pmThe_Jerk,
“It wants less legalized smoking and drinking. So, it legislates, treating tobacco and alcohol differently than it treats carrots and lettuce, or sodas, or Big Macs… . All legal products treated differently.”
But, if it wanted to ban those practices, it would need a darn good reason to do so or it would be considered an affront to our freedom. But, of course, your comparison is just silly. Smoking and drinking involve substances that have a measurably harmful effect on individuals and others (second-hand smoke, drunk driving, etc.). These substances are also bought and sold on the market, which is how they are able to be taxed and/or regulated.
None of these same factors apply to gay marriage. I think we can agree that “marriage” itself is far more akin to a combination of legal contract and religious practice. The government does not either ban or promote specific religious practices (unless they pose a risk to public health), because they are not treated the same as commodities.
If something has no impact on individual or public health, poses no risk to the rights of other and is not bought or sold in any regulated market, then tell me exactly what the rationale behind banning it would be in a free country?
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SendTheMeteors
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 1:25pmThe purpose of our government is not to enforce the ethics of one religion or another. Otherwise we’d need laws against wrath, greed, sloth, pride, lust, envy, and gluttony, the Seven Deadly Sins.
Government punishment of the sin of “greed” would be particularly difficult in this country.
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GeneralOfIdeas
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 2:00pmKickagrandma not sure if your right or wrong but in theory God did not empower Abraham to take care of Sodom and Gomorrah. In fact in this example is that christ like people need to understand that only god the creator of all things has the divine right to destroy evil as he sees fit. I can understand hating sins, (some more then others) but I cant support the government stoping a church from a marriage of really any kind. I dont want gays to call it marriage id rather it have a different name like union or something, but changing of name, power of attorney, and for tax purposes I do support it. Will making it illegal really stop it from happening or will they be another group judged by us and given to the democrat party as a victim.
Sorry kickagrandma this opinion does not come from great christian person (i make alot mistakes) so I understand if you dont see my point of view.
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camaroguy
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 2:49pmBecause the dictionary defines “Sodomy” as unnatural sexual intercourse, and sodomy is illegal at the federal, state, and UCMJ and local levels and in all developed nations, by all means go for it but expect to be arrested and oh all you supporters we’re going to pick you up too because Conspiricy is also a felony. Just think about what we’re talking about. Just sayin… Its wrong. Also, when I was in college in my Psych classes it was an abhorant behavior and required couseling according to the Psychologists desk reference circa 1975.
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The_Jerk
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 2:50pmPubliusPencilman: “If something has no impact on individual or public health, poses no risk to the rights of other and is not bought or sold in any regulated market, then tell me exactly what the rationale behind banning it would be in a free country?”
Gay marriage isn’t banned. Like I said, you can form the Church of the Steers and Queers and marry anyone you wish. But, the state has no obligation to honor, promote, protect, legitimize, or normalize that abnormal marriage. Polygamy, incest… are not recognized either. The only relationship needed by mankind for its survival is the male/female. Period. All others are window dressings.
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PubliusPencilman
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 3:20pmThe_Jerk,
Actual, it is banned in a number of states. Are you saying that this is unconstitutional?
And, towards your other point, the government IS obligated to recognize a civil contract drawn between two consenting adults unless there is a specific reason to deny that recognition (for example, if it infringes upon someone’s rights). This is the entire basis for civil law and our economic system, so it’s a bit troubling that you insist on denying it.
“The only relationship needed by mankind for its survival is the male/female.”
But that’s not a criteria for establishing and/or denying rights, so this argument is entirely irrelevant. Private property is not absolutely necessary for the survival of mankind, nor is corporate law. To survive as a species, there is no reason to recognize the right of free speech or free exercise of religion. And yet we have those rights, and the state recognizes them as legitimate because that what it means to live in a free country, not because they contribute to “survival.”
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saranda
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 3:51pmAre we going to make laws against adultery? That might impact alot of repubs though. We cannot pick and chose which commandments are to apply. Time to stop being hypocrites as Christians.
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binge_thinker
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 4:10pm@Pencilneck
Your delusions have been noted. To be clear, millions of voters in this country simply reject gay marriage at the ballot box for whatever their reasons. I only listed a couple. To most voters, it’s simply that they believe every kid needs a real mom and dad because men and woman parent differently and a child needs both influences which a gay “married” couple simply cannot provide, that only the union of one man and one woman can produce a child without outside interference, and that our laws should support those simple truths. And yeah, some believe that their faith teaches them that marriage was ordained by God as the union of one man and one woman. Nowhere in our Constitution does it say that we have to check our faith at the ballot box, so voting on this issue from one’s deeply-held religious convictions is as valid as any other reason I could and did mention. THat might stick in your craw, but I really don’t care.
Oh, and before you get all loopy ranting about what happened on election night and that should tell us all to accept your distorted point of view, REAL marriage has still won 31 referendums, the most recent being in North Carolina THIS YEAR, to the 4 won for SS”M” in the deep blue states. If that was the score by halftime in a Superbowl game, no one in their right mind( except you) would say that the team with the 31 points had was losing.
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encinom
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 4:29pmKicakagrandma, is having a senility attack again, she forgets that the US is not a theocracy, and that gos has no place in our laws.
Americna has rejected the christian right’s war on equal protection, three states voted to uphold same sex marriage, one state voted against laws that would prohibit is and Iowa voted for the judge that ruled in favor of same sex marriage. Either the GOP will learn that social issue are lost to them or they will never again be the party in power.
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PubliusPencilman
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 5:05pmBinge_Thinker,
” that only the union of one man and one woman can produce a child without outside interference, and that our laws should support those simple truths.”
Yes, this is why we deny marriages to infertile couples and elderly couples. This is why, in order to marry, you are required to sign a contract saying that you will have children within a certain period, right? That’s why it is illegal to be a single mother or a single father, right? That’s why “outside” interference like fertility drugs are illegal, right?
Oh wait–none of these things are true. If the fact that a man and a woman are needed to create a child is a simple and inviolable biological fact, why would we need any kind of law to “support” it? Do simple laws of nature need legislative support?
No one is asking you to check your religious views at all. But, there is a difference between having a religious view, and insisting that I need to live by your view. You are free to not be a homosexual for as long as you dislike homosexuality–no one is making you be a homosexual!
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valiant1776
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 6:22pmThe homosexual lifestyle presents a health risk to the public.
Homosexual people tend to experience more mental health problems than heterosexual people, research indicates. – http://psychcentral.com/lib/2011/higher-risk-of-mental-health-problems-for-homosexuals/
Gay and bisexual men are more severely affected by HIV than any other group in the United States (US). Among all gay and bisexual men, blacks/African Americans bear the greatest disproportionate burden of HIV. From 2006 to 2009, HIV infections among young black/African American gay and bisexual men increased 48%. – http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/msm/
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ree758
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 6:25pmWhat is wrong with civil unions
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ree758
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 6:27pmWhile you guys are arguing this stupid topic the communists are taking our country apart
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valiant1776
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 6:31pmThe communists have already taken over the country. Every plank is in place. We, those who are opposing these radicals, are just the small remnant of dissenters.
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betsyyoung
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 6:34pmS.E.Cupp is an atheist, so this argument will not apply to her.
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Pigpen
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 8:07pmBravo to KICKAGRANDMA!
Excellent post! But the sad fact is that ALL of our Republican leaders have ALWAYS supported gay marriage, legalized narcotics, and abortion. Why? Two reasons: 1. Our leaders all go to the Ivy Leagues where they learn to be “enlightened” enough to hate us lowlife, white, Christians. and 2. Our leaders want to be carnal and go to the same debauched parties to which the Left’s leaders all get invited. Don’t believe me? THINK! Wasn’t it a Republican politician who was busted for soliciting gay sex in a public men’s room? Wasn’t it a Republican politician busted for touching the little Congressional pages? Success, power, money, all do strange things to a man. Who was surprised when Monica revealed that the most powerful man in the free-world was getting a BJ under his desk?
A Democrat I know, but the point I am making is that for the ELITE it is NOT ABOUT Left and Right. For the ELITE it is about Rich and Poor. Educated and Uneducated. Powerful and Powerless. And Satan only has ONE GAME PLAN. That is why for the last 100 years all our so-called “conservative” leadership ever did was COMPROMISE and lecture us hoi palloi to be “tolerant”. Now for what does today’s “conservative” stand? What EXACTLY ARE the issues “conservative” leaders are willing to stand fast on? Oh, yeah, no higher taxes for the rich. Boo hoo. Sorry D-Cupp. No Deal!
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barb8646
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 8:33pmSE Cupp is just like Bob Beckel on Fox GET RID OF HER. EEEEWWWWW
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georgeMo13
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 9:41pmMr gutless cupp is the reason republicans will always be losers. The strut and jive they put forth and never really follow up seems to be the answer to everything that can be tough to do.. They turn on their own time after time. and then wonder why no one supports them. McCain scolded everyone who stood up for him and lost his base support. Wimpy stands do not impress anyone. Kiss media **** and lose lose lose. Romney turned on the Mo senate candidate and lost lost lost. If he could not endorse him he could at the very least kept his mouth shut and not given Good old Tax Dodger Claire a prime campaign ad. Senator Specter was a big ass mistake to. I stopped giving my money when they supported him over a candidate with some guts.and now I will stop giving them my vote. Oh and watch them cave on the fiscal cliff!
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ep8568
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 10:14pmClarification: Sara Elizabeth Cupp refers to herself as a Log Cabin Republican for her atheism, but she’s quite hetero.
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pkarm
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 10:55pmGod hates no one only people are able to hate
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AmerNDN10
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 11:45pmIn reply: SE is either an Agnostic or Atheist…or so I thought I heard her say on the Blaze News one night. I think it should be what God wants not what g’mnt wants. Or if they played it smart this should not be an issue to decide votes on; leave it to the churches or the people. But g’ment should NEVER force anyone into something they do not believe in. That is the ULTIMATE form of abuse and anyone can ask any family/marriage counselor professional what taking one’s beliefs away is termed.
A B U S E/ C O N T R O L.
G’ment should not control churches or people on what to do morally. Whether it’s immoral or moral who are they to decide that?
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Canyouhearus
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 1:10amAnd Glenn has her on his programs because ….? Trying to be “Fair and Balanced? Like Fox. Get too many of these folks on his programs and we just as soon watch Fox News!! S.E.? No, they have Juan, and Combs… and Beckel… Guess Glenn gets S.E.! NOT interested in your social views, SE .. Really!
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LaBelle
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 2:53amI really do not care for her and wish Glenn would boot her from his show etc. She’s not dumb but she tries too hard to come across as smart and she needs to ditch the “I’m really smart because I wear glasses” look.
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U4eeeahhh
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 5:36am@sillyfreshness, while gays may only be 7% of the population, people with same sex experiences are another 20% and people with gay friends and family that realize it is not an “illiness” are another 50% so as time moves forward the number of people sharing your out-dated prejudices will continue to dwindle away and become irrelevant.
I can not understand how you can take something that is an obviously superstitious fear of homosexuals expressed in an ancient mythology about supernatural beings as valid reasoning for limiting the rights of people in the 21st Century. Seriously, why don’t you think about what you are doing when you say the Bible is the reason for anything?
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Balzy
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 6:52amsooo just be glad you aren’t like that ok? God doesn’t want us to physically halt what they are doing man. I don’t like it dude, but they have the right to that kind of stuff in america. You know for a fact Jesus didn’t go around physically stopping sins from being committed, he hung out with everybody and showed them kindness. There is always another way to show someone the light. My brother’s all taught me crazy stuff in science that school didn’t teach me, then the more I looked it up the less i became an atheist. Sometimes i ponder on how i could’ve ever been wrong, somethings are just too complex. No matter how incredible we make robots, i feel like no matter, they will forever revere us for our complexities. We can tell them what that computer language is that their OS uses, but we couldn’t explain our DNA’s language if we wanted too.
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Balzy
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 7:32amW.W.J.D. man i stared at that sometimes, not knowing what it truly meant. You just have to keep love in your heart friend, for everyone and don’t forget everyone of these people were every bit one of God’s precious little ones as they were their parent’s. You have to SHOW people what good accomplishes and how one good deed can make a difference for that one person. maybe a lot of people, depends on what’s in your heart. I see S.E.’s point, we have to believe in freedom.
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jinkaz2256
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 7:57ammy co-worker’s sister-in-law makes $85 an hour on the internet. She has been fired from work for 7 months but last month her pay check was $19798 just working on the internet for a few hours. Here’s the site to read more,,, http://www.ace60.com
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B_rad
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 8:43amWhen will The Blaze get a better comment forum? Since I’m late to this party, this comment will likely not be read by many, but…
Every individual and private organization has every right to determine for themselves what is right and wrong behavior. The govt. has no right to legislate morality. Each state has the right to determine amongst its people acceptable actions within the state, so long as it doesn’t infringe upon the guaranteed rights of an individual.
What free govt. gets to decide that any 2 consenting adults can’t enter into any form of legal contract? Marriage is a religious institution that carries with it automatic protections of law. How can any free govt. justify denying those protections of law to anyone who decides to live by a similar legal contract? Don’t call it marriage, but allow any 2 consenting adults to enter into a contract that provides those protections.
The argument about family members not being able to marry is silly. The point of this type of union is to create a familial relationship where there previously was none. The polygamy argument is nearly as silly. There MUST be a limit to the number who can unite in this way. Lest entire towns decide to marry each other. Logically that number must be 2.
One doesn’t have to accept a behavior as right to tolerate it. I tolerate awful, but legal, behavior from people all around me. Straight people shacking up, divorcing, making illegitimate kids, the list goes on.
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Tall Tal
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:26amWhy must we compromise our values to please everybody? you sound like a democrat.Shame on you fro even thinking that way.Your comments make us question your motives as conservative.
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VaARNG_Guardsman
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 11:09amIt is time to abandon the GOP and join the Constitution Party, or Libertarian Party! http://www.facebook.com/TheConstitutionParty
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binge_thinker
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 11:29pmPubs,
What has government done in the last 50 years to give support to couples and families? By subsidizing birth control, passing no fault divorce, and onerous tax policy. They’ve encouraged nothing but the collapse of the traditional family. Gay marriage is just he latest fad to be pushed on the populace by the corruptocrats in government.
As long as gay marriage is tied, as it is, to the liberalization of marriage, instead of to reinforcing the conservatism that is at the core of the institution, THAT is the reason gay marriage is bad for the institution. Without any theological arguments necessary, it is the liberalization of marriage that has harmed the institution.
As for the rest of your talking point silliness, start here and learn a few things.
http://www.firstthings.com/onthesquare/2012/11/the-limited-government-case-against-gay-marriage
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LogCabinRepublican
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 6:27am@ Kick – He That Protests Too Much….You must be gay! 7 of your last 10 posts were against Homosexuality. One has to wonder…
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John 1776
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:18pmI think what SC’s viewpoint demonstrats is more of the Libertarian viewpoint. I personally have negative feelings toward using the word “marriage” as I think it opens churches up to potential lawsuits. (Call it what you want, just don’t call it marriage.) It should have the same legal rights with regards to estates and ownership as well as anything else that we typically think of in a marriage. Churches on the other hand should have the right to abstain from any practice that goes against their own beliefs. There is a “win-win” outcome for whoever figures out how to posture this.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:24pmdont blame us, we are talking about the proper Constitutional role of government….Which is no involvement by the federal government.
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lildrummerboy
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:27pmlets call it “pairing” as in the Agenda 21 sort, but for gays
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Quiata
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:57pmAgreed, JOHN 1776 (are you SECRET SQUIRREL’s missing identical twin?).
“Civil Union” would be the appropriate label. Churches should not be drawn into this issue.
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dealer@678
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 9:15pmI now know why i never trusted this skank. Their was something about her and now i know
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KStret
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 3:37am“gay rights, in theory, should be “natural allies” because conservatives want to keep the government out of people’s personal lives.”
When she said gay rights, what she is really saying is gay marriage. In other words, same sex couples have a constitutional right to change the definition of marriage. Changing the definition of marriage isn’t a right.
It is one thing to take a libertarian view that the church should be sanctioning marriages and the government should not. It is another to believe that two men or women have a constitutional right to change the definition of marriage to include gay couples.
That logic chain dictates everyone has the right to change the definition of marriage. By their own logic, polygamists are being discriminated against. Polygamist can use the exact same argument that homosexuals use.
Because this and other social issues are being argued so poorly by Christians and social conservatives, the left is obliterating conservatives on these issues.
If you are a Christian stop using Scripture as your argument against same sex marriage. Instead use their own flawed logic against them.If you keep using scripture as your argument, every state in the country will have same sex marriage with in 10 years. We need to be smarter!
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binge_thinker
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 4:18pmThe late Francis Schaeffer said in A Christian Manifesto that liberal theology is nothing more than secular humanism in religious terms. No matter what the issue, the liberal theologian will ALWAYS come down on the side of the secular humanist. Whether it be abortion, same-sex “marriage,” social welfare, the environment, weath redistribution, Occupy Wall Street, sexual promiscuity, the liberal theologian will follow secular humanism rather than the Bible. Therefore, liberal theology is a cult.
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Elisheva
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:17pmOh btw S.E. is an Atheist so She is in Total Darkness, I would expect her to say something like that!
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RoDogg
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:42pmI’m atheist and I tell people all the time about the importance of a creator in our society. We don’t have to agree on what created us but more who didn’t like a government or monarchy etc.
I see the gay community and I think they are insane by attacking religion. Without the belief that all men are created equal under god, then some dictator could get into office and deem a gay person to be sub human and round them up for execution.
Atheists and gays need to pull their head out of their you know what and realize they are attacking the only the only idea that binds us all as no better than the other.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 7:05pmi thought SE was an atheist social conservative? Did she flip-flop within the last couple months?
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bonnie
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 1:17amS.E. Cupp is wrong, and what she asserts is why the leftists are gaining ground.
True to form, homosexuals and lesbians–as do leftists– change the words: Newspeak.
“Gay” Means “joyous” or “lighthearted.”
Words have meaning…”homosexual” and “lesbian” have specific definitions.
I do not hate them. This behavior is against natural law. I do not condone it, and I will not call it what it is not..
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JACKTHETOAD
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 9:11amI’m a Christian, but you folks have turned yourselves into what I call ‘Jesus-jazzers’. Hypocrites, in other words. There’s ol’ S.E., being SARCASTIC as all hell in the lion’s den, and you’re bashing the snot out of her using our beliefs, and The Lord too. She’s smart as a whip, so she’s cynical too. So what?!?!
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encinom
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 9:22pmUnless you desire the GOP to be the party of old, white, bigotted Chrisitans and a retain its minor party status, you would realize that the culture war is over, your side lost and the side that values equal rights for all won.
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Git-R-Done
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 11:55pmEncinom – Only morons like you consider sexual deviancies like homosexuality to be equal to being heterosexual.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:16pmMeghan McCain rides again!
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The-Monk
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:16pmSE forgot not to drink the water over at MSDNC…….
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Polarized America
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:25pm.
kool-aid,,monk,,kool-aid…./;-)………….how ya doing ?
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The-Monk
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:34pmHi Polarized America
Doing OK (all things considered)
I was going to put “kool-aid” but I figured the water was also poisoned for visiting people that know about the kool-aid.
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Polarized America
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:44pm.
yeah…kool-aid is getting a bit old, …..anyway hang in there, ur in my thoughts /;-)
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The-Monk
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:49pmThanks Polarized America… : )
Hoping to hear back on yesterday’s job interview next week some time.
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XaviorOnassis
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:15pmThe government should NOT be in the business of marriage definition–that is the role of the churches. The only aspect of any union between two consenting adults with which the government should concern itself is the legal/contractual aspect (rights, responsibilities,etc.). ALL unions certified by government should be “civil unions” under law and that is how they should be treated in court and for tax purposes. If you want a “marriage” please go find a church to get that legitimacy–their are plenty of them out there and they, not government, define the limits and scope of the sacraments they offer. Any time the government interferes with the definition of marriage it is a blatant violation of the second amendment. Your personal beliefs about homosexuality are not relevant. The government is not your church.
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Tsoulliho
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:42pmfreedom works both ways. Constitutionally, Government can’t tell gay people what they can or cannot do with regards to civil union or marriage. Likewise if Gay people wish to get married Government cannot tell Churches what they can or cannot do within their church. It’s gotta be completely up to the church and what they believe goes within the church.
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Elisheva
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:14pmDid I just read on here someone saying “As a Christian myself, I have no problem with gays getting married by the state” ………….! As a Born Again Spirit Filled Christian you dont read the same Bible I do!!! Go Check Yourself!
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soybomb315_II
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:19pmWhatever the difference of opinion is, everyone needs to agree that people will be gay whether or not they are allowed to marry….The government is not able to prevent an ounce of sin
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crazyrightwingmom
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:32pmSoy, of course we agree with that. Laws won’t help.
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TEXASGRANNY73
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 7:20pmFunny thing to me that other people KNOW what the rest of humanity should think. We live in the United States of America (yet) and it is a melting pot and the Constitution is law and should protect all of it’s citizen. If you do not agree check the CivilRightsAct1964 sometime. Anyone who wants to tell me what I should think needs to get over themselves. My Bible is the King James and read the American Standard as well. Both have Jesus preaching (teaching) the sermon on the Mount. Also
First Corinthians13:13 But now abide faith hope and love, these three, but the greatest of these is love. I wonder if the cop in NYC asked the guy with no shoes if he was gay. Ridiculous. All people have souls.
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CanadaRocks
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 8:58pmDoesn’t Michelle Bachmans super-straight husband cure people of being gay?
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Git-R-Done
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 10:42pmCanadasucks – Yet you psychotic hatetheists have no scientific evidence to prove that homosexuality is born that way.
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TheOnlyConservative
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 11:49pmGIT-R-DONE
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 10:42pm
Canadasucks – Yet you psychotic hatetheists have no scientific evidence to prove that homosexuality is born that way.
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I don’t think homosexuality is ever born. Homosexuals have been born, but not homosexuality. As for this demand for “scientific proof”, I find it amazing how pissy you Xristians get when we point out the abject lack of any evidence of, let alone “scientific proof” of your God…
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TheOnlyConservative
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 11:49pmGIT-R-DONE
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 10:42pm
Canadasucks – Yet you psychotic hatetheists have no scientific evidence to prove that homosexuality is born that way.
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I don’t think homosexuality is ever born. Homosexuals have been born, but not homosexuality. As for this demand for “scientific proof”, I find it amazing how pissy you Xristians get when we point out the abject lack of any evidence of, let alone “scientific proof” of your God…
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Git-R-Done
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 11:56pmTheonlyliberal – Yet you hate it when your own methods are used against you. You only support science when it supports your anti-Christian dogma. And it’s the homosexuals who claim that they were born homosexual yet there’s no scientific proof to back up their claims.
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Walkabout
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 12:53amUser Profile: TheOnlyConservative
Member Since: November 30, 2012
TheOnlyConservative trolling since today!
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Walkabout
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 12:59amThe government is not able to prevent an ounce of sin.
Some police presence prevents property crimes, murder & other crimes. No amount of police presence will ever totally prevent crime. Still we need some level of police protection to prevent crime.
So yes government does prevent an ounce of sin, but it us never going ti get rid of all of it.
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DuckHawk
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 1:10am@THEONLYCONSERVATIVE
There is a difference. We aren’t going around telling people they are born a Christian. We also do not put God to a scientific test. We don’t have lobbyist arguing why they should spend millions of dollars on proving the existence of God. We would never force your tax dollars that way. If you don’t believe in God, it’s no skin off my back other than I can’t let you go by without at least asking if you would listen to why I believe in Jesus Christ. If you don’t want to hear it then I will be on my way. You are the ones saying homosexuals are born this way without showing the evidence. If they are, then you are proving that we are in fact born sinners and need God to be reborn. By the way, every truth in the Bible is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. Science is the only thing that keeps changing on us, yet, you believe in it with all your being. Science is a great and wonderful thing when used correctly, but we will find at some point in the future that a lot of our resources were wasted on some ignorant beliefs that science claimed were true without evidence.
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valiant1776
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 1:45am@TEXASGRANNY73 You’re right, all people have souls. As a Christian, you are to preach the Gospel, to save people from death, to save their souls! Jesus told the adulteress, Sin no more!
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TIME_THE_AVENGER
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 3:53amI say let them go too. Just don’t let them have the word “Marriage”. They want that more than ANYTHING ELSE. Marriage is for HETEROSEXUAL couples exclusively. They can have children, God willing, or if they want to, and the deviates want validation more than anything else. Let them call it ‘unionized’ or any damn other word they can think of. We had “Marriage” first. Let’s keep it that way.
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binge_thinker
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 4:22pmBreaking News: Nevada Federal Judge Rejects Same-Sex Marriage
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Appeal-vowed-in-Nevada-same-sex-marriage-ruling-4080926.php
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Catracho
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:12pmIt is unfortunate that we don’t see the correlation between acceptance of Same-sex marriage and God’s punishment on a nation. It’s historically true and we will go by the wayside also. I love America. It may be meaningless for some, but I can love the person and still hate the destructive nature of their sin. The only answer is for another Christian Awakening in America. It must begin in the Christian Church that repents of its sin, lives according to God’s Principles, and shares the Good News of a God who loves and forgives.
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freeberty
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:47pmWell, at least you gave the reason that there will never be a Christian awakening in America.
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Git-R-Done
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 10:47pmAntifreeberty – Apparently you’ve never studied history before or else you would have known about the great Christian awakening that occurred during the 19th century in the US. You hatetheists have killed more people than any religion has.
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garbagecanlogic
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:10pmNow we know why she went to msnbc, she is starting to think like them.
Praise Be To Obama. Psalm 109:8
The U.S. Out Of The U.N.
The U.N. Out Of The U.S.
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DagneyT
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:09pmI am disappointed in SE! What’s wrong with partnership contracts, or whatever you want to call them? I know she’s an atheist, but to redefine marriage is JUST WRONG!
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The-Monk
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:09pmSo how do you reconcile the rights of States to pass and keep Sodomy Laws on their books?
Unlike the LGBT….. those who favor State’s Rights…. can’t have it both ways.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:17pm“those who favor State’s Rights…. can’t have it both ways”
What do you mean. Those are issues left to the states so long as the laws do not violate our natural rights
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The-Monk
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:58pmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvGJvzwKqg0
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soybomb315_II
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 7:06pmpathetic
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Git-R-Done
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 7:53pmSoybomb – Homosexuality contradicts natural rights and natural law.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 8:07pm@Git-R-Done
Then a state should make it illegal. Case closed
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The-Monk
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 8:15pmStates can’t make sodomy illegal any more…..
2003, Supreme Court, Lawrence v. Texas.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 8:30pmFor goodness sakes Monk we are talking about gay marriage, not being gay. Try to keep up
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The-Monk
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 9:27pmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkoPq5AOCOA
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Git-R-Done
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 10:49pmSoybomb – How could same sex marriage be legal if homosexuality isn’t legal?
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soybomb315_II
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 5:32pmhomosexuality is legal – are you guys on crazy pills?
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Git-R-Done
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 12:02amSoybomb – You just prove my point that no matter how much social conservatives give you social liberals whatever you want, it’s never going to be good enough. It’s the pro same sex marriage people who keep whining about how they want the government out of the bedroom yet same sex marriage has nothing to do with the government being in the bedroom in the first place.
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mhojai
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:08pmThis shows what hanging around MSDNC will do for you.
The groveling, knee-jerk pandering is growing to epidemic status. Sad to see SE has become infected!
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chips1
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:26pmI always keep a box of disposable gloves in my vehivle. It tends to make some people mad.
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TEIN
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:08pmSoooo, sad…. Pandering never gets you any where….Repub’s want to be Demo lite……pathetic!!!
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edmundburk
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:27pmwhat do you mean want?! there already ARE from 1988-2012.
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Apple Bite
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:06pmOk, this is the first time I have to disagree with SE. Marriage is a religious doctrine, not a sacred right by law. You want to live with your same sex partner and be together forever, do whatever pleases you. But in the name of marriage under religious tones, it’s a smack in the face, and should not be recognized as such.
Hey, if they want to marry and be one, and have a way to do it without the use of Religion, I’m fine with that. But going to a Catholic church, Baptist church, whatever, and doing so, simply mocks the teachings of various religions that don’t recognize same sex marriage as legitimate.
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Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:14pmI don’t think she’s talking about the spiritual argument around the issue. I think the point is a political one. I disagree with that obviously, as I think the ultimate argument is the legal/constitutional one. I would never attend a church that did gay weddings. No more that I’d attend a church doing wife swapping. It is just incongruent with God’s teaching. BUT, regarding the ability of citizens to marry one another…that is a state issue. The constitution is moot on this point.
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Kupo
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:36pmSo what if a church is willing to do same sex marriages? There are lots of them. By your reasoning you should be perfectly okay with a legal homosexual marriage if it is performed by one of these churches.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:42pmguess it should also be illegal to divorce – since that is a sin
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Git-R-Done
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 10:43pmKupo – Where are you self righteous hypocrites on polygamy, polyandry, incest, or other alternative forms of marriage?
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Kupo
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 12:24amI’m not hypocritical at all. The topic of this article is gay marriage so what the hell does polygamy or incest have to do with anything and why would I bring them up?
I believe that as long as it is between two adults who are able to give their consent that it should be legal. So yes, I do think polygamy should be legal. I think polyandry should be legal. I think that incest should be legal as long as they are adults. This doesn’t mean that I personally approve of the behavior, just as I don’t personally approve of gay marriage, but that I believe that adults should be free to live their lives the way they want and that the federal government really doesn’t have any business getting involved one way or another. Let the individual states decide the matter for themselves.
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DuckHawk
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 1:15am@SOYBOMB315_II
Once again, divorce is not a sin if done for logical reasons. Examples: adultery / sexual, physical, and emotional abuse against a spouse or the children involved in the marriage. All of these are not necessarily spelled out in the Bible but if you know the heart of God then you know where is laws begin and end.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 9:07ami’m not talking about the “if”s. Dont try to make excuses
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Apple Bite
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 11:31amKupo
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:36pm
So what if a church is willing to do same sex marriages? There are lots of them. By your reasoning you should be perfectly okay with a legal homosexual marriage if it is performed by one of these churches.
No, those churches should be noted for their sacrilegious behavior. And no, it’s not okay.
The bible teaches us Man and Woman. Nowhere in the bible does it say it’s perfectly fine for 2 men or 2 women to be one. If they want to form a pact between them, and it’s not done in the face of the religious folk in this country or within the walls of the church house, that’s fine by me. But don’t attempt to drag the church down in the meanwhile. That’s a tool of the left that ultimately, don’t believe in GOD, and would and have used homosexuals as a tool to deface the Trinity of Christ.
Even the Islamic faithful don’t believe in same sex marriage, and it’s because of these same sex couples, that they truly look down upon Christians as a whole.
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thenewhickschick
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 3:41pmIsn’t the whole reason for the recognition by law of same sex marriage monitary? I thought this whole issue came up because an employee of a big company wanted to add his partner to his health insurance policy. He was arguing that his relationship was no different than that of any married couple but he did not have a notorized marriage certificate to back up his claim.
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Kupo
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 5:07pmSorry Apple, but that’s just your interpretation of the Bible. If the government were to enforce that then it would be a violation of the 1st Amendment.
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Git-R-Done
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 12:04amKupo – You show that the sin of tolerance is what’s wrong with this country.
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crazyrightwingmom
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:06pmIt’s the same old thing…people think they are being “loving” and “tolerant” and “cool.”
What they are doing is sticking people with same sex attraction in a box where they think there is no other way. Especially confused young people
And they are also settling for a way of life lower than the best way. This is proven. Don’t we always strive for the best. We can love gays, we do not have to adopt their lifestyle. This is true love.
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freepr008
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:43pmIf some gay is forcing you to adopt his/her lifestyle then that is harassment. If is not, is a choice that you made.
“Conservatives” is a group that is destined to disappear. There’s two main reasons for that:
1- the media portraits conservatives as retrogades ignorants and out of the reality. Acceptance is inn and trendy. Unless you can buy the media this isn’t going to change.
2- politicians are elected by the people. So to stay in the office they need votes. If the voters associate conservative opinions and posture retrogades and out of reality they are not going to vote for them. So sooner or later they are going to change their opinions to get votes.
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Git-R-Done
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 10:48pmFree – Yet when people abandon conservative principles and adopts leftist beliefs, that’s when a society collapses.
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Common Sense 24
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:06pmWhat shall we compromise our moral Godly values on next? Beastiality? necrophilia? pedophilia? We ALREADY HAVE a political party based upon immorality. One is enough. We don’t need two of them.
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:18pmThen don’t adopt a Libertarian bent for sure… they may be worse in the long run as far a moral bankruptcy goes. They just adorn their brand of hedonism the words…. freedom and liberty. Meh.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:25pmWatch out – there is a libertarian underneath your bed as well….Dont want to catch those libertry koodies.
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:27pmSorry.. I wrote…
They just adorn their brand of hedonism the words…. freedom and liberty
Mean’t to write…
They just adorn their brand of hedonism (like a garnish) with the words…. freedom and liberty to make it look better. Meh.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:33pmmuch better, crazy guy
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:37pmSOY. Lmao. I saw a commercial on TV for testosterone supplements earlier…. funny… you came to mind. Liberty my @ss… Obama enabler.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:52pmI’m all up in your head – “BRAIN CONTROL”
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 7:03pmSOY.. you and those like you are all up in Obama’s 4th point of contact if you’re anywhere. You’vebeen thatway since ’08. But then that leads us to isolationism and having your own heads up your disingenuous @sses.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 8:39pmTime2
I still dont understand how gay marriage is illegal but yet you have been married at least once…
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Bernese2008
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:04pmI’m sorry but this ‘big tent” thinking by the GOP is what got us into this mess. I will not compromise my principles to pull more RHINOs into the GOP. I guess we should compromise on abortion to.
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DagneyT
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:15pmYou are so right! This is why the GOP is going….or has gone, the way of the Whig Party! Bye bye, Dumbo!
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CanadaRocks
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 9:15pmFailure to adapt is the main reason moderate conservativism is on the rise and hard core christian conservatism is going the way of the dinosaur which apparently went extinct 6000 years ago. Gays arent scared to come out anymore. Society is starting to accept their culture no matter how much it scares you. Adapt or it is going to be a quick slide to the bottom. I think the ladt election showed that the hardcores are no longer welcome. West, mourdock, akin, brown, and almost bachman. It might get lonely in your bunker though.
If the million mom group that opposes gay marriage is in fact a million moms. according to statistics, 5% of the population is gay. Therefoee if each of these mothers had say… 1 kid because hardcore christians dont seem to like to have recreational sex. Its just to procreate like the bible says. Right. Well that would make 50,000 of those mothers children gay. I guarantee that none of them will ever think that it is their kid. And how many of these hardcore christians would actually disown teir own child for being how they were born?
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Git-R-Done
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 10:45pmCanadasucks – Yet every time conservatives compromise with you psychotic leftists, you leftists never stop demanding that we compromise. There’s no evidence of homosexuality being born that way. The born this way argument is just a lie that you leftists use to try to normalize homosexuality.
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CanadaRocks
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 11:23pmSo you are saying that there are ways to stop being gay? Good luck. Theres a bigger chamce of you saying something intelligent. Like it or not conservatism is dying. You can blame anyone you want but it does not change anything. You are becoming extinct, but the sad part is that conservatism is dying by the people who follow it. Blame obama. Blame atheists, blame welfare mothers or chris christie even. People moving forward socially. Conservatism isnt.
In all seriousness what you all do if you found out a sibling was gay? Better yet the closest person in your family. Would you accept them eventhough the only thing that has changed is who they love?
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Git-R-Done
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 11:54pmCanadasucks – It’s you hatetheists who are screaming progress yet you support progressing towards a Marxist craphole, which has failed every single time it’s been tried. I don’t have to prove the choice argument, you have to prove the born this way argument.
Declining civilizations were claiming they were moving forward when they were in the middle of declining. Excuse me if I care about being the best while you don’t.
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DuckHawk
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 1:44am@CANADAROCKS
“..dinosaur which apparently went extinct 6000 years ago.” The earth is around 6,000 years old. That would mean dinosaurs were not extinct 6,000 years ago.
“Gays arent scared to come out anymore. Society is starting to accept their culture no matter how much it scares you.” I love how the argument is always about the acceptance of homosexuality, as if it has never been accepted before. We are not the first society or culture to accept it. Examples: Rome, Sodom, and Gomorrah.
“…because hardcore christians dont seem to like to have recreational sex. Its just to procreate like the bible says.” Wrong again. The Bible does not state that sex is merely for procreation. Sex is clearly a gift from God for a married couple and should be enjoyed to it’s fullest as long as respect is shown to each other. God did tell us to be fruitful and multiply. Don’t mind if I do!
“And how many of these hardcore christians would actually disown teir own child for being how they were born?” Answer: real Christians would not disown but pray for healing and the release of a worldly and satanic grip on their children.
Thanks for proving that your intelligent comment was not based on your knowledge of the Bible.
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KStret
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 3:51amCR,
The logic chain to allow same sex marriage is totally irrational. Coming from a naturalistic rather a religious perspective, the argument deeming homosexuality as completely normal is equally illogical.
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pamela kay
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 3:58amI agree BERNESE2008, compromising our values now is not the right road to go down. Now more than ever we must stand up for what our principles are. I am growing tired of the republicans that are caving into the progressive agenda. Maybe a new Conservative party is the route to take, It will be up to the republicans to get aboard or stand alone . We voted them in and we can vote them out. That is if we even have the right to vote after BHO is done with us.
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JACKTHETOAD
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 9:13amCanada sucks, eh hinge-head? By golly, you should post there too.
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ElChupaCabraDeUSA
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:04pmWell put – this is a losing issue and we can never make the required inroads into pop culture while railing against gay marriage. Is it normal? No of course not but it is a reality and has been since the dawn of humanity. A lot of things can go haywire as cells divide and trillions of atoms form into a human. Is it that hard to believe that some humans have the wrong switch flipped? Somewhere there is probably a 10,000 year old cave drawing of two dudes going to town on each other. It’s a silly battle to fight in a much more important war….
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rsanchez1
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 7:25pmNo compromises.
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Watchingtheweasels
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 1:53amThis is not a pointless debate.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/study-children-from-same-sex-homes-have-lower-income-poorer-mental-physical-health/
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soybomb315_II
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:04pmahahaahaha – what do you expect from a Constitution-hating atheist….
The proper response is to not have the federal government involved in marriage and let the states decide….But that is TOO extreme for the social crusaders…..Instead you will end up with a pro-gay republican party when you could have had the Ron Paul non-issue position. This is what you get for ignoring the Constitution
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crazyrightwingmom
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:09pmAs a libertarian leaning conservative, I would like to agree with you. Why do we need government involved in marriage? Then I wonder what we would do with the laws and the children, etc. Aren’t many of our laws to maintain stability for our families and our posterity?
I appreciate comments on this.
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Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:11pm@Mom,
I kinda sorta get you on that. My question is why does it have to be a federal issue? Why can’t it be up to the states?
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soybomb315_II
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:13pm@Crazy
Those are state and local issues….You dont want Washington DC deciding anything about kids, do you?
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crazyrightwingmom
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:31pmSoy..oh absolutley not. I don’t want the feds to do anything but protect our country from invasion. What I am wondering is whether laws, even in states, protect the status quo for our posterity It would be fine with me just to go to a church and get married, or wherever, and forget the state registration. What happens in divorce, etc? I suppose some sort of legal contract is also needed.
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Kupo
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:46pmWell, I can sort of see it from the federal government’s viewpoint. With a state’s rights standpoint on marriage, a gay marriage performed in a state where it is legal is invalid in states where it isn’t legal, which could lead to major problems if you need to move to a state where it’s illegal or even if you’re merely visiting such a state or traveling through one on the way to another.
That said, I don’t particularly think that the government should be involved in marriages at all, neither at the federal level nor at the state.
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Git-R-Done
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 10:52pmKupo – How do you deal with child custody and support issues? Does that mean a child can be denied a mother and a father?
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Kupo
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 12:28amNo…..not at all. People raise children in unmarried households all the time. It would be no different with no government-recognized marriage. In unmarried relationships the children still have legal ties to the parents.
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Git-R-Done
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 12:07amKupo – There is a difference between children raised in households with a married mother and father compared to the other ways of living. We also can’t forget the two mommies or two daddies (both of which are biologically impossible). Are children going to be forced into those living arrangements?
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Maxim Crux
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:01pmSE Cupp is a ding dong. She should go away with the republican party
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Polarized America
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:06pm.
………….why so harsh ?
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Watchingtheweasels
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 1:43amI wouldn’t call her a ding ding, she’s actually been quite clever at carving out a little talking-head niche. She’s one of those “conservatives” that I detest…their conservatism is not based on morality, but on greed. Cut “I want low taxes and I want to do whatever I want” out of her philosophy and there’s nothing left.
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jeann
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:01pmmakes me sick..I’m so sick of somebody telling me that I need to change values and morals…The Republicans will go the way of the Whig part…I think it’s over. Done…
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Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:10pmHow about the role you have with your government being solely defined with the constitution and just stopping there? Tell me why that won’t work?
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h20sue
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:13pmAmen, sister. I have no idea what Republicans are thinking. I think they are a bunch of wimps in Washington. Voting for gay rights is disgusting. Our morals and Christian values have gone right off the edge. I am just appalled in what is happening in Washington. They are ruining this country and we just cannot allow the liberals to get away with their nonsense. I want to smack the white right off Pelosi’s face, not to mention Harry Reid. I think they are aliens, from a planet far away. I think Alfred Hitchcock could have used the four: Clinton, Reid, Pelosi, and Obama in his movies. My husband and I are just blown away how much nonsense is going on in Washington and with our Supreme Court.
Nothing makes sense, and all the work our ancestors did to build this great country is going right out the window. If God had wanted homosexuals, he would have made either two men, or two women, not Adam and Eve. These people are just insane, and not “born this way”. Perverts, truly nothing ore then perverts.
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jimbo_from_suwanee
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 11:08pmActually, it is our country has gone the way of Rome. The USA is now the Socialist Oligarchy of America.
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tradcatholicgirl
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:00pmSE is an atheist. The lack of faith in what God has designed, or that God HAS designed it a very particular way, will always lead to error in judgment.
Let SE and the GOP partner right up.
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edmundburk
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:34pmSorry S.E., we HAVE been tolerant, and look we where it’s got us. Anybody who has religious objections is homophobic.
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InquisitiveDebbie
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 5:59pmAt first, I was shocked at her comments. Then, I remembered that she is an atheist.
As a Biblical Christian, I can not support any politician supporting gay marriage.
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Locked
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:03pm“As a Biblical Christian, I can not support any politician supporting gay marriage.”
Why is this, may I ask? As a Christian myself, I have no problem with gays getting married by the state. My church certainly won’t be involved with it, but considering the government already allows other sinful marriages like divorcees getting remarried, it’s obvious that religion in the US is not Biblical in nature.
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XaviorOnassis
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:06pmAs a biblical Christian you should be MORE concerned with keeping government out of the business of marriage definition. The constitution does not give the government the authority to identify or regulate religious sacraments and institutions.
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muffythetuffy
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:06pmFIRE HER
If I want to read the Liberal-Marxist-Homosexual view point I will go to the Democrat Party web site. She must have been a homosexual plant that Beck hired because she is his kind of girl. Now fire her before she does more harm.
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Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:09pmThen shouldn’t you also make bearing false witness criminal? Shouldn’t we jail adulterers? When kids sass their parents should the state intervene?
Supporting something as a Christian or not is one thing. It’s personal choice. Extrapolating pieces and parts of your belief system into government is inconsistent at best and more likely a theocratic departure from the constitution.
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SonOfThunder
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:09pmWho knew she was gay? Figures she is an atheist… Atheist do not like to hold themselves to any moral standards. They make them up to fit their own worldly standards. I can’t believe the Blaze has her on staff. She is an abomination.
If GOP ever supported gay marriage bye bye evangelicals. We leave the party forever.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:12pmThe federal government should have nothing to do with marriage….Never has until the last 70 years. Unless you live under a theocratic government, there is nothing the government should do about this issue
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lildrummerboy
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:20pm@Locked….because homosexuality is clearly defined by God as sinful and that he abhors it and will deal with it severely. Supporting gay marriage as a Christian is supporting something that displeases God and goes against his original intent and creation. When he said “go forth and multiply’ he said it to a male and female, not a male and a male or vice versa.
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Locked
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:33pm@lildrummerboy
“because homosexuality is clearly defined by God as sinful and that he abhors it and will deal with it severely.”
And remarriage is adultery which will also be dealt with severely. Anyone who is divorced (if they aren’t committing a sin already in doing so) is an adulterer if they remarry. Yet divorce and remarriage are perfectly legal. In fact, the support a couple’s right to do so: I don’t agree with their choices, but let them face the eternal consequences.
“Supporting gay marriage as a Christian is supporting something that displeases God and goes against his original intent and creation.”
And thus in your mind, do we have “traditional marriage” now if the marriage system in the US is expressly forbidden by Jesus Himself in the New Testament? Does this mean that anyone who is ok with the status quo is also supporting something that displeases God and goes against His original intent and creation?
Or, just perhaps, have you jumped off the conservative bandwagon, said “to heck with small government” and now want the government MORE involved in marriage… as long as it’s the marriage type YOU agree with?
As Soybomb said here: the federal government’s not supposed to be involved in marriage AT ALL. That includes having religious folks using the government to enforce their views. I think gay marriage is a sin, but I don’t for a second think that marriage in the US is “Christian.” I can’t believe you do!
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TEXASGRANNY73
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 6:37pmWow. To S. E. Cupp—NO!!!! No to gay marriage and who cares for her advice? I don’t. I am a Christian but this has NOTHING to do with my commitment to love and respect my fellow man who are also citizens USA. God will take care of the rest. It has everything to do with tradition. S. E. evidently missed the fact that we chose many conservative representatives who we consider conservative as well. I have dropped the Republican label as my party choice and consider myself an independent voter without the registration. Just think for myself. Have written to both houses of congress that if they do not stand with us we will not stand with them and though the subject was fiscal cliff this gay marriage thing just adds negativity.
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Nevertakecandyfromsocialists
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 8:28pm@Locked
The Bible only ever defines marriage as between man and woman.The Bible does make concessions for divorce in the case of sexual immorality or if one spouse is a nonbeliever. And the whole beauty of Christianity is that all sinners who are truly remorseful, can repent and be forgiven. Also, just because your church wouldn’t perform gay marriages doesn’t mean that a gay couple would not be happy to sue them because they were denied. My fear is this is a Pandora’s box.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 8:32pmThe bible also says we should not have debt. Unfortunately we neither follow the bible or the Constitution. Social conservatives are clinging to a couple nick-knacks while their entire house has been robbed
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Nevertakecandyfromsocialists
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 9:36pmIn a 2011 Gallop poll, 78 percent of Americans identified themselves as Christian. If every evangelical voted and voted their religious principles conservatives would be winning elections in landslides, and this would not be an issue. Unfortunately, for some reason, they do not seem to get out and vote. I don’t think irritating the ones that do vote is a good political strategy.
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Totally Domestic
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 10:31pmNote to S,E. : Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.
A fool has said in his heart that there is no God.
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Watchingtheweasels
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 1:58amOne of Glen’s faults is he tries too hard to reach across the aisle in a kumbayah fashion, building bridges with gays, atheists, democrats, what have you in an effort to promote the “we’re all Americans” concept. What he fails to realize is that this is a philosophical struggle not between conservatism and liberals, but between good and evil. Those who reject the Judeo-Christian perspective do not have the philosophical foundation to understand, respect, and uphold the constitution. That’s why so many Atheists are also leftist and would be quite content with communism. That’s why so many Muslims want to scrap the constitution and replace it with Sharia.
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DuckHawk
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 2:01am@LOCKED
Just to clear something up. Remarrying after a divorce due to sexual fornication is not a sin according to the Bible. We know that as fact. Any other grounds for divorce where one decides to remarry would need to be prayerfully sought out.
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DuckHawk
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 2:06am@SOYBOMB315_II
Good advice like, try to live your life without debt, is not the same as a sin. God wants you and I to have happy and fulfilled lives. Debt can hinder that. It can make every part of your life stressful. It is not, however, a sin.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 9:08ami didnt say debt was a sin. But neither is gay marriage. The act of being gay is the sin – not the ceremony
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Git-R-Done
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 12:09amSoybomb – You do have to know that same sex marriage is acting upon homosexuality. Even Jesus said that marriage is between a man and a woman in Matthew 19:4-6 and Mark 10:6-8.
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lildrummerboy
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 12:09pm@locked..back up your rhetoric w/scripture…small governemt or large has nothing to do with this discussion. You said as a Christian you support gay marriage. Quote ” As a Christian myself, I have no problem with gays getting married by the state”. THAT is what we are discussing. So if you’re ok with it by the state, you are ok with the concept in of itself. Please stay on topic with you’re next retort.
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DarkJello
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 5:58pmVery logical, from a political perspective.
And very natural man from a religious stance.
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SchrodingersDog
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 5:58pmIf you’re going to compromise your principles I say go one step further… advocate for the copulation and marriage of farm animals… Don’t want to miss out on any votes there!
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Chet Hempstead
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 5:10amSorry, no. Even after same sex marriage becomes legal in every state of our great nation, you and your livestock are still going to have to keep it on the down low.
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mr.goodvibe
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 9:39amThey just outlwed farm fallacia in Canada.
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Git-R-Done
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 11:58pmChet – You just show what a hypocritical Marxist you are. Homosexuality is ok yet bestiality is wrong by your backward standards.
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JACKTHETOAD
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:26amI expect a large exodus from Canada then, Mr. Goodvibe. I hope they end up in DC, where their ‘clients’ will be in near-endless supply.
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