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In this Friday, July 20, 2012 photo, Carol Anastosio and Mimi Brown, who were among the first couple to wed under New York’s gay marriage law, hold hands showing wedding bands made by a friend. (AP Photo/ Fay Abuelgasim)
With LGBT issues taking up an increasing portion of the national political dialog, a new poll from CBS News finds that 51 percent of Americans nationwide think same-sex marriage should be legal, with 40 percent believing it should not.
The American public’s views on allowing same-sex couples to marry are the same as they were in September, but support for same-sex marriage has risen since the spring and summer of this year.
There is a generational divide on this issue. Young Americans (those ages 18-29) are some of the strongest proponents of allowing gay and lesbian couples to marry. Seventy-two percent of them support it, as do a majority –albeit a smaller one– of Americans ages 30-44. However, support for same-sex marriage drops to 44 percent among those who are age 45-64 and even further to just a third of Americans age 65 and over. In fact, 56 percent of seniors oppose permitting same-sex couples to marry.
The CBS News Poll also finds more women (53 percent) than men (48 percent) think same-sex marriage should be legal.
This past November voters in Maine and Maryland made their states the first to legalize same-sex marriage through a popular vote ballot initiative. As of now, same-sex marriage is legal in nine states in addition to the District of Columbia.
During their regular Friday conference this week, the nine Supreme Court justices discussed whether or not to take up a case involving same-sex marriage through appeals to the Defense of Marriage Act or California Proposition 8. While it was widely expected by court watchers that the nine would announce that they would take a case on the issue, no action was made. The court can still release orders this Monday or next Friday on the matter.
On Friday, the “Real News” panel discussed in detail the debate regarding whether or not same-sex marriage can be protected by the Constitution.
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lessoneleg
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 11:00pmInteresting dilemma. 51% say they agree with Gay Marriage. I must assume then the greater majority of parents don’t want legitimate offspring genetically created from their own lineage. A future generation of bastard grandchildren not of their own.
We have prided ourselves in the past of who we were and where we came from. Our so called misfit society cannot claim such luxury when “shaken not stirred” genetically modified couples cannot answer that most important question of their origin.
Mommies, where did I come from? Who is my Daddy?
We can’t tell you. We had a sperm donor. We can tell you though, it was a grand beaker it was.
Gee, mommies I read in the past all kids had Mom’s & Dad’s.
Sorry, birth child, we have progressed past those awful days of insufferable parentage of icky Man & Women relationships.
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revelation2012
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 11:05pmso sad ,,, ;-(
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The Third Archon
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 11:48pmYou DO realize that you can support equal rights for a discriminated against minority without actually BEING a part of that minority, right?
I mean, it’s not like the whole country was suddenly majority black when we decided that MAYBE owning other human beings as property wasn’t such a great moral institution, what the Bible said about it notwithstanding, and then suddenly reverted to being overwhelmingly white after slavery ended. And it’s not like during desegregation or the civil rights movement, a bunch of white people just up and vanished prior to these events making blacks the majority during them.
Some people actually DO care about injustice, even when they aren’t ones it is being directed against.
You don’t really think any where close to 51% of the population if homosexual do you? (although, if that many or more were bisexual or pansexual, this country would be a much nicer, and probably much less angry, place to live in).
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Alina.D
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:16amIts sad how compromising people have become.. They eat whatever flies.. This is what happens when parents are supposed to be only their children’s friends, and believe it is magic to strictly discipline a child because you will change his natural personality.. So much rubbish!!!!!
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THERAPTURCOMES
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 11:01amThere can be no doubt now that the resurrection/rapture is at hand http://youtu.be/ahEVxIzlxwo
When a society turns this perverse and has helped divide the lands of Israel then there is only one outcome, WRATH. No one listens to the real true gospel anymore (Romans 10:9-10) without perverting it or outright rejecting it.
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db321
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 11:17amA better question would be to ask?
How many Americans in the Last Election Spit in God’s Face by voting for Abortion?
How many Americans in the Last Election Spit in God’s Face by voting for Gay Marriage?
How many Americans in the Last Election Spit in God’s Face by voting to ignore Israel?
How many Americans in the Last Election Spit in God’s Face by voting to Stand Down in Benghazi
How many Americans in the Last Election Spit in God’s Face by voting for self indolence over God’s Law!
I knew Judgement day was going to be a long one, but I would have never thought that decent Christian Believer’s would ever choose a man over God and publicly announce it.
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WhiteFang
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 11:36amWhy was Sodom and Gomorrah destroyed? Do we know the reason? Did mankind forget?
Has our GOD changed his mind, to align himself with our wishes?
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1947
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 11:40amThat’s a to much , maybe 3%
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ashestoashes
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 11:50amThere needs to be resurgence of Christianity in this country..a refusal to put up with the teachings of Communism/NWO ..The UN (of the anti-Christ Rothschilds) wants the children..to give them an education and let them choose their own religion..which will be Luciferianism. ..Lucifer is the god of this world..but we should maintain our freedom of religion..this should be peacefully and actively sought after with unrelenting passion..do not give in to atheists/Communists..They know that they cannot be successful if everyone cleaves to God.. Remember..their goal is massive depopulation..so currently that would be achieved by wars…genetically modified foods (gmo’s) vaccinations, obamacare and possibly cloud seeding for weather control..the leaders have themselves become demi gods..Cleave to God and Jesus..teach your children..for if you raise them up the way that they should go.even if they should stray..they will come back to it..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjmFm8PIz8M
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red_white_blue2
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 1:10pmAgreed, and this is why our society has digressed into the subterfuge it is as that of a beaker of cesspool swill. No wonder the Lord Jesus is sounding the alarm for those who still hear Him, that He is putting the pieces in place for the end.
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danielmchick
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 1:16pmWhiteFang:
If you’re a believer in Christ, then I’m sure you’re well aware of the fact that Christ abolished the old covenant therefore rendering it obsolete and irrelevant. But, since you’re so keen on Hebrew Testament lore, I’m sure you still abide by the entirety of Leviticus 20.
I hope you still eat kosher, don’t wear mixed fibre clothing, and aren’t effeminate. Otherwise, you’ll have to be put to death.
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The_Jerk
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 1:26pmThey’re telling you what Americans think. I call bull.
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neverending
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 1:30pm@DB321 – all so true – my big question is are they truly Christian believers? Don’t know, I am not the judge but I seriously doubt it.
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Alina.D
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 1:34pm@ashestoashes. I totally agree!!! I thought I was the only one who thought that their goal was mass depopulation.. I am soo sick of being taught by my university teachers that the world is much too populated and we need to do something about it.. Blah blah!! Everyone is starting to accept abortion, gay marriage. I am convinced that satan’s master plan is to stop the birth of humans. God’s most treasured creation.. We are in the image of God, for petes sake!! People love their dogs,cats, monkey, more than other humans nowadays.. Whats going on?!!
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oneshiner
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 1:46pmThere’s a reason mechanical parts are called male and female. The opposite parts don’t fit.
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MIBUGNU2
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 1:53pmBULLSHI*, says WHO ???? the lying AZZ LIBERALS ??
SLIMEBALLS pushing this CRAP on the AMERICAN
PEOPLE..out of ALL the people I know, maybe 2%..
Must have taken this survey at Barany Franks house..
This Administration is so full of SHI*, it’s DISGUSTING !!
NOT BUYING THIS !!!!!!
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WhiteFang
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 1:57pmdanielmchick,
To respond to your questions, I will only ask again; Has our GOD changed his mind, to align himself with our wishes?
Be careful of how you answer. You can ridicule me all you want, but can you ridicule the laws and principles of Jehovah God?
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MIBUGNU2
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 2:07pmWE are expected to EVOLVE, because the CLOWN
in CHIEF chose to….I DON’T THINK SO !!!!
2% to 51%, that’s a stretch even for the Bama Admn…
Does anyone TRUST anything the MEDIA prints anymore??
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Alina.D
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 2:09pm@Whitefang.. You are very right in what you say. People who believe that God will not do again what He did with Sodom and Gomorah don’t really know God at all. He was Holy, is Holy, and will be Holy. What was vile to Him will always be vile to Him.
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burnteye86
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 2:27pmDoesn’t supporting something mean that you condone it? If you believe that you can support gay marriage without condoning it, then wasn’t it also possible for people to support the Confederacy without condoning slavery?
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sillyfreshness
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 2:30pmJust more proof that America is a degenerate, liberal cesspool and it deserves to be destroyed. Mentally ill gays that should be sent away for therapy are now being worshiped. I would support legalizing polygamy any day before supporting gay marriage. The Bolsheviks like to call it “same sex marriage” instead of “gay marriage” because it sounds more professional.
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MIBUGNU2
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 2:32pmSince when does DC, NY and MA. represent
America nationwide ???? sorry I forgot the
shi*holes they call CA., WA., FL. the rest of us
have no say, shut up and be good sheeple !!
kinda’ like that thing they called an “election”..
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WhiteFang
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 2:33pmAlina.D,
What an encouragement you are to this old man. To hear from a young person who can see clearly these days, is very encouraging.
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TheGrtDcptn
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 2:36pmThe Third Archon wrote…
‘although, if that many or more were bisexual or pansexual, this country would be a much nicer, and probably much less angry, place to live in’…
YOU are a sick individual…but you already knew that…There is NOTHING to be gained from immorality, and that IS what you promote…NO THANKS…!!
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KGray
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 2:37pm51% because NO ONE is being taught both sides of the argument. How many people really know the origin of the gay marriage debate? How many people know that pedophiles are using the same methods to legitimize their “sexual preference”?
People who stand for conservative values need to hold their ground against the RINOS infiltrating the GOP. Caving to liberal ideas is what they have been doing for almost a century and is why we are in the mess we are in in the first place. Let’s just see how they explain caving when the children of these gays and lesbians grow up and start crying out about sexual abuse.
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Marine25
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 2:41pmApparently commentators here at The Blaze have decided that the reason conservatives lost so badly on election day is they had not alienated enough voters. Good to see your DATV (Drive AwayThe Vote) campaign is already underway for 2016.
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MIBUGNU2
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 2:44pmIs this article by CBS News intended for Justice Roberts ??
Does he not base his decisions on MEDIA reports? HMM??
The whole SYSTEM is in the F’N toilet !!!!
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freeus
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 3:00pmThe culture is in a downward spiral. I don’t follow polls, I follow Christ and the teachings of his Church. CBS is a joke.
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danielmchick
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 3:27pm@WhiteFang:
Your question is irrelevant to mine. Either answer my question or revel in your hatred and ignorant bigotry. Christ has no use for you who justifies such based on his word.
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kadster01
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 3:46pmIf this statistic is really true, I’m tempted to conclude that nothing else is more indicative of the desire, on behalf of our society, to commit suicide. The family is the foundation of society. Two gay people CANNOT procreate!!! This is the death of society. Sure, in the short term – if you want to get technical – gay couples can adopt or bear children with the help of artificial insemination or adoption, but family goes far, FAR, beyond the act of bearing children. The fabric of what constitutes a natural family is what is being sacrificed. Not just being sacrificed, but mocked and scorned in our arrogance, self-importance, and self-absorption. OK then. We make our beds, and we lay in them. It’s called natural consequences. I just hate for me and my children to die as a result of everyone else’s folly.
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WhiteFang
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 3:49pmdanielmchick,
You said in one of your previous posts: “Insults are tools of the weakminded.”
And now you say; “Either answer my question or revel in your hatred and ignorant bigotry. Christ has no use for you who justifies such based on his word.”
Daniel, really now, lets try to live up to your own counsel.
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THERAPTURCOMES
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 4:04pmDB321
How many people spit in the face of God by voting for a cult member whom supported abortions, welfare state, and was wanting to keep a two state solution in Israel?
2 Cor 6:14-18, James 4:4, Joel 3:1-2
There was no choice for real Christianity in this election no different than any other elections
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Alina.D
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 4:40pm@Marine. So you want conservatives should sugar coat everything just so we get the vote? Thats for sissies that cant take the truth. For people that want to do what they want to do and no one dare tell them otherwise. Pathetic.
@therapturecomes. A true Christian should have voted for Romney JUST because he was slightly more against abortion and gay marriage than obama. That is enough reason to vote for a president nowadays! There never was a real Christian president nominee.. So don’t even use that excuse to vote for obama or not vote at all!!
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Walkabout
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 5:06pmThe Third Archon
The 1st lesbian I met only became lesbian after being hit on by another woman. After being used & abused in high school by guys, who wanted to get wet but didn’t want to have a long standing relationship with her.
There isn’t a gay gene, there is just a bad society. But you want to codify a bad society instead of making it better.
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Girard1974
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 5:47pm@danielmchick
You say that Christ “abolished” the Old Testament (the old covenants)? No, He came to fulfill them!
The Covenant of Grace (Christ’s dying on the Cross) did nothing to the Old Testament teachings. Why do our Bibles still begin with Genesis and end with Revelation? If Christ did away with all that “old stuff,” we’d be starting with Matthew.
No, the old rules still apply – but you’ve got to understand the Covenants and Dispensations before making such broad statements about the Bible, Christ and what it all means. The Word is not an easy read – it takes a whole lot of patience and understanding to piece it all together. Pulling small segments out just to prove a false point is not a good idea. God doesn’t like that.
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Wolf
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 5:49pm@ The Third Archon
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 11:48pm
“…You DO realize that you can support equal rights for a discriminated against minority without actually BEING a part of that minority, right?…”
Uh, you DO realize that you are defined by that which you support?
If you want to spend any time explaining to God why you think He is wrong, that’s your business- but don’t try telling me that I can ‘support’ it without being part of it. Just another attempt at assuaging a guilty conscience that knows morally something is wrong. Wrong is wrong, whether we ‘accept’ it or not.
I have enough problems to explain to God that I don’t need to accept what I know is wrong and then attempt to justify my belief.
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American Soldier (Separated)
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 5:54pmSo let me get this straight. God things homosexuality is vile, so he kills everyone in sodom and gomorrah…. so mass murdering thousands of people is better than having sex with someone of the same sex?
And has your god ever heard the phrase, two wrongs don’t make a right?
I can’t believe this myth and that you guys believe in this. Mass murder is an acceptable solution to homosexuality? How can logical people believe in this crap….
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Wolf
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 5:58pm@ danielmchick
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 1:16pm
“…If you’re a believer in Christ, then I’m sure you’re well aware of the fact that Christ abolished the old covenant therefore rendering it obsolete and irrelevant…”
And then you go on to Lev. ch. 20.
Perhaps you’ve never read Matthew 5. 17-18.
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Wolf
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 6:02pm@ Marine25
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 2:41pm
“…Apparently commentators here at The Blaze have decided that the reason conservatives lost so badly on election day is they had not alienated enough voters…”
Actually, the GOP alienated the voters, had nothing to do with the Blaze, which had supported liberal Romney- who wasn’t a choice at all.
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Wolf
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 6:08pm@ American Soldier (Separated)
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 5:54pm
“…So let me get this straight. God things homosexuality is vile, so he kills everyone in sodom and gomorrah…. so mass murdering thousands of people is better than having sex with someone of the same sex?
And has your god ever heard the phrase, two wrongs don’t make a right?
I can’t believe this myth and that you guys believe in this. Mass murder is an acceptable solution to homosexuality? How can logical people believe in this crap….”
To answer your last question, AS(S)… Logical people read the whole book before making judgements about it. Perhaps you should try it as well, then you’d not need to ask your first question.
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longof48
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 6:26pm@third archon. It’s not discrimination. Skin color does not = behavior. Big difference. It’s not about equal rights. It’s about extra special rights.
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danielmchick
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 6:57pm@WhiteFang –
And yet again, you’re dodging the question at hand. I’m not amused. Answer the question and I’ll gladly explain the difference between making a positive claim about the character of another and an outright insult.
@Girard1974 –
I’m eager to see you dig yourself out of the hole you’ve created with that “explanation.”
@Wolf –
Perhaps you should take into consideration the whole Bible before rendering a decision?
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wherefromhere
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 7:30pmYou can vote in traitors obviously, but you cannot vote what is right and wrong. That is up to God whose only begotten is Jesus. Thank you very much.
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Marine25
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 7:51pm@mybugnu2
2% of the people you know? Pretty accurate I am sure. I am also sure a poll of those same people wopuld have shown Romney winning an electoral landslide. Accurate, huh?
Polling is a mathamatical science beyond the intellectual scope of those who deny evolution, dismiss intellectual science, count the earth as a few thousand years old and quote the bible as an historical source No you should stick to surveying the drunks at the bar concerning electoral politics and denying global warming because it was chilly last week.
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Wolf
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 8:37pmdanielmchick
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 6:57pm @Wolf –
“…Perhaps you should take into consideration the whole Bible before rendering a decision?…”
Not only have I read the whole Bible, I didn’t miss the part where God says, “I am not changed, I am the same yesterday, and today.”
You should try to understand what that means.
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binge_thinker
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:13pmTwenty years ago, there’s no question the country would have been overwhelmingly against gay marriage. The past few generations have not done enough to reiterate the values that makes marriage so important to society. It has been taken for granted. Redefining marriage does not add to the definition; it detracts from it, makes it less important. Additionally, it also supports the idea that men & women are the same, and offer no unique qualities in comparison to the other. This notion, in particular, has proven damaging over time to notions of masculinity as well as femininity in our culture with disastrous effects (anyone notice how devalued boys are in today’s society?).
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black9897
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:22pmGod did not destroy S&G due to homosexuality, or least it’s a very weak argument. It was destroyed because it was so wicked.
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Grey Eagle
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:25pmWhen CBS does polling, they interview far more Democrats than Republicans. So this discussion is a waste of time.
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Blacktooth
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:33pmblack9897, – It was destroyed because it was so wicked.
Wicked how? What made them to be wicked (according to the Bible)?
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black9897
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:48pm@BLACKTOOTH
Most think it was just homosexuality, I think this is very weak. It seems to be more in line with homosexual rape. Not to mention it was many different things.
“Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me.”
“Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion.” Jude 1:7. Many things fall under “sexual immorality.”
Having said that, I am not saying that simply because S&G are a weak argument against homosexuality means God approves of it. The Bible is pretty clear on this issue and what marriage is and should be.
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Blacktooth
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 11:00pmblack9897,
So, I think I can safely say we agree that their sin was sexual immorality, and their homosexuality was a major part of their wickedness which merited their punishment.
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Crazyotto
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 11:02pmWhat were the questions who did they poll and in the end who cares.. this is all the misdirection and deception tactics of the left. Lets stop thinking about the lack of leadership from this piece of crap we have as President. Lets forget that he cowardly turned his back on the Ambassador and the other 3 Americans in Benghazi because it was politically inconvenient. Forget about the fantasy explanation of a childish video being the cause. Forget about his empty promises he made to victims of Sandy. Forget about his 4 years of failed policies and again lack of leadership. Forget about his ridiculous power grab in the new rounds of budget talks. and of course his lies ..lets get the silly American people worried about Gay marriage.. Conservatives should forget abut abortion and gay issues. Concede these and take back the country with practical solutions to what really threatens us .. Out of control spending and government overreach.
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black9897
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 11:11pm@ BLACKTOOTH
For the most part, yes.
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Blacktooth
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 11:15pmCrazyotto,
Presidents come and go. But when a society accept immorality as their chosen course, it destroys everything. The problems of this world is not focused on just one issue, like who is the president, no, it is multi-faceted and one problem joins all the others to created mayhem.
Homosexuality is a sickness of society, a condition that will destroy humankind in the end.
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realindependent
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 4:45amI know lets have another inquisition. Or some Salem witch trials, but with homosexuals. That will get our Christian Values back. Silly people. This is a free country. Free to be who you are. Don’t like it? Get out of my country then.
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rickc34
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 8:03amProbably the same people that voted for Obama, he is the first gay President. Bath House Barry
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stage9
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 8:11amWHAT SAME SEX MARRIAGE HAS DONE TO MASSACHUSETTS
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/marriage/effects_of_ssm_2012/index.html
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stage9
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 8:17amCommunist Goals (1963)
Congressional Record–Appendix, pp. A34-A35
January 10, 1963
Current Communist Goals
25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”
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Locked
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 9:01am@Lessoneleg
“A future generation of bastard grandchildren not of their own…. Mommies, where did I come from? Who is my Daddy?”
I can only assume that you support abortion rather than adoption then, as these questions would be the exact same that adopted children ask. You somehow think that children need to be related by genetics to be raised properly. You’re sick.
@Whitefang
“Why was Sodom and Gomorrah destroyed? Do we know the reason? Did mankind forget?”
Arrogance. A lot of people want to say it was homosexuality, but it is clearly defined as arrogance and not caring for the poor. The cities themselves were sexually immoral, but that was not the reason given for their destruction.
As for the topic, as a Christian myself I neither support nor condemn gay marriage. If it happens, it happens; as with all things in our society, it is up to society itself to decide. And it does not affect me, my church, or my Christian faith one bit. Marriage in the US is not “Christian” in nature. We allow divorce for all kinds of non-Christian reasons. We allow remarriage of divorcees, although that’s condemned by Christ Himself. Anyone who thinks marriage is a Christian-only act is fooling themselves.
Anyone who would use legislation to ban gay marriage for the sole reason that it’s “contrary to God’s will” is a fundamentalist and a progressive. They’re pro-big government and pro-theocracy. They worry me as much as the liberals do.
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WhiteFang
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 9:34amLocked,
My original questions were: Why was Sodom and Gomorrah destroyed? Do we know the reason? Did mankind forget?
Has our GOD changed his mind, to align himself with our wishes?
Your answer is: Arrogance. A lot of people want to say it was homosexuality, but it is clearly defined as arrogance and not caring for the poor. The cities themselves were sexually immoral, but that was not the reason given for their destruction.
I have to ask again; What is the reason Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed? What was the reason? Was it for not caring for the poor? Really? Where is that written? Is that your own idea or do you have proof for that statement?
No proof? I didn’t think so.
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Locked
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 9:41am@Whitefang
“I have to ask again; What is the reason Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed? What was the reason? Was it for not caring for the poor? Really?”
Yes, really.
“Where is that written?”
This book called the Bible. You may have heard of it?
“Is that your own idea or do you have proof for that statement?”
Ezekiel 16:49-50. I’ll even quote it for you:
“‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.”
“No proof? I didn’t think so.”
Not sure what more you want than a direct quote… Whitefang, you’ve either been lied to by someone, or refuse to read the Bible.
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jrc99
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 9:50am@danielmchick
“If you’re a believer in Christ, then I’m sure you’re well aware of the fact that Christ abolished the old covenant therefore rendering it obsolete and irrelevant.”
BZZT! Wrong!
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.” — Jesus (Matthew 5:17 {NIV})
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WhiteFang
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 10:22amLocked,
Ezekiel 16:49-50 is quoted by you and that is fine but that is not the end of the story. It would be good to read Ezekiel 16:1-63 to get the context of the situation.
Was old Sodom really Jerusalem’s “sister”? No, Sodom was never in a sister relationship Jerusalem.
In Isaiah 1:8-10 Jerusalem is likened to Sodom to indicate how Jerusalem’s rulers were “dictators of Sodom”. But the old Sodom was long ago destroyed.
In Revelation 11:3, 8 says that the corpses of God’s “two witnesses” lay in the broad way of the great city ‘called in a spiritual sense Sodom and Egypt.
Sodom, two witnesses, broad way, Egypt, sister, all these are figurative illustrations to explain situations.
In Ezekiel 16, we see how God loved Jerusalem, her prostitution and how it was exposed by God, Jerusalem’s punishment as an adulterer, how Samaria was more innocent than Jerusalem was. The reference to Sodom was to illustrate how Jerusalem was, spiritually, acting sinfully in God’s eyes.
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Locked
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 10:33am@Whitefang
Your likening Jerusalem to Sodom is fine as well, but if you look at the specific sins, arrogance is the first and foremost for Sodom. Other cities might have been destroyed for different reasons, and they might have connections with Sodom, but Sodom’s first sin was arrogance, not caring for its people, and selfishness. That is the specific reason, as told by God Himself, for its destruction.
In other words, it’s fine to say “Sodom, like its sister cities, was full of sin.” That’s true. But if you’re looking for what the sin was that led to Sodom’s destruction, it was arrogance… not homosexuality, as is commonly blamed.
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WhiteFang
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 10:38amRead Genesis chapters 18 and 19 for the account of Sodom and Gomorrah.
There are many other scriptures mentioning Sodom and these give additional details.
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WhiteFang
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 10:46amLocked,
Have it as you wish.
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repairsea
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 10:52pmNo they don’t. BTW – Homosexuals have a higher risk of colon and throat cancer not to mention AIDs. With Obamacare, our tax dollars are not only paying for abortions, contraceptives but also treatment unhealthy sexual lifestyles.
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sumnonstultus
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 11:07pmNo such studies have ever been conducted–they don’t need to be, either. You are ridiculous. Do you understand what cancer is? Do you know how cancerous cells generate? You clearly do not, since you’re making extremely ludicrous accusations. Certain cancers can be more prevalent in either gender (gender-linked, ever heard of it?). Delusional.
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Git-R-Done
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 11:30pmSumnon – The truth hurts and you’re offended by it.
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The Third Archon
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 11:34pmHe’s probably relying on the, discredited, research by Paul Cameron for the Family Research Council (I don’t know if that’s what they were called when he did the “studies”) whom even the bastards at the FRC won’t associate with anymore (although they disseminate his research without citations whenever it suits their agenda). That’s who it almost invariably is when they are making junk science claims suspiciously absent a citation.
More to the point though–even IF it were all true that homosexuality was invariably a direct cause of decreased life expectancy, it would still be no MORALLY different than, say, smoking, drinking, or ANY OTHER RISKY CHOICE. It would STILL not constitute a MORAL argument justifying the imposition of LEGAL discrimination against those people who made the risk-benefit analysis and decided the cost (to THEMSELVES and themselves alone!) was worth it. It’s funny how one needs only resort to a simple analysis a CONSERVATIVE would usually use of the situation (but oddly doesn’t apply in the case of homosexuality), even ASSUMING the BEST CASE scenario for the conservative’s factual claims, to show how patently absurd their position is.
Usually, conservatives are the FIRST people to make “harm principle” arguments for liberty–funny the exceptions they seem so willing to make.
TheVoice1
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 11:35pmall of this depends on those polled, test group…. For instance if the poll goes out to 519 gays and 490 non gays you have a poll that shows 51% favor what ever the agenda is in the poll…..
This makes news and propaganda taking that agenda forward seem that all of America has that mind set… not so… we knew that the gay agenda was going to run wild after the election….
Stand Strong America
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vox_populi
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 12:00amIf homosexual men had a higher rate of risk for throat cancer, wouldn’t heterosexual women have that same rate of risk?
I mean really, use your brain for two seconds.
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sumnonstultus
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 12:08amI’m sorry. . .is the implication here that cancer of the throat is “initiated” via oral sex?
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banjarmon
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 12:34amI am NOT part of the 51%!!!!!
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asybot12
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 12:42am@ the 3rd archon. Hey everyone the third archon is back!! Where are or who are # 1 and 2? Oh and as far as life expectancy for **** sexuals is concerned see where their “offspring” are one generation from now to keep the race going please tell me OK and BTW your language is getting worse as well (where are # 1nd 2 you have not answered that for years ).
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Raging_Waters
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 2:04amWhy do many gays/lesbians have to define their union as “marriage”? Why not just be gay and not worry about the perks of married couples (men and women who propagate)?…
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American Soldier (Separated)
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 3:06amWhy should straight couples receive those governmental perks but gay couples don’t?
You can have your ceremony, that’s not what this is about. This is about legally being considered married by the government as it holds different benefits than a civil union.
I’m an Agnostic and I was “Married” so it’s obviously not a religious term of use or requires a religious ceremony for the government to consider someone married.
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LDSmommy
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 5:10amsumnonstultus-I get what you’re saying, but some of that is actually true. Personally, I think gay marriage should be legal as long as churches aren’t forced to perform the ceremonies. Anyway, as an example, cervical cancer goes up big time in women who have had genital warts. People who engage in anal sex have a higher instance of colon cancers/rectal cancers. My point is that cancer can be caused by other things besides the genes being present at birth. AIDS is obviously higher among the gay population, etc. As an argument against gay marriage, a higher cost of medical care doesn’t cut it. Women have babies, that increases medical costs. Bottom line for me, God is the judge, not us! If He has a problem with it, He will deal with it.
VOX-Your comment made me laugh so hard! Very good point!!!
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SacredHonor1776
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 5:38amhttp://m.bbc.co.uk/news/health-13295300
Homosexuality and cancer…
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SacredHonor1776
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 5:49am“If homosexual men had a higher rate of risk for throat cancer, wouldn’t heterosexual women have that same rate of risk?”
Are you assuming heterosexual women give as many blow jobs as homosexuals? It was relatively uncommon in last few generations actually. With some feminists saying it was an example of male dominance over them, as few men would reciprocate. Thus they were against the practice. Also it also fell under sodomy laws in many states, and thus was something considered generally detestable.
Chances are considering that there has been an increase in blowjIbs in grade schools, given time that generation will be having a high rate of cancer when they reach their middle years. It’s a new social experiment in the making, and the outcome will take decades.
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SacredHonor1776
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 6:19amAlso one question to ask, is if anyone is practicing risky behaviour, that affects health… Should everyone else have to support that person’s lifestyle? This goes back to the question, should people be supporting other people’s abortions, and birth control? Or why does everyone else have to pay for the treatments of those who exhibit other forms of destructive behaviour including all related health risks related to promiscuity in both hetero and homosexual sex.
It’s a myth to say other people’s behaviors have no impact on other people’s lives, when in fact through taxation it does.
According to a gay guy who took the risk to date someone with HIV (because of ‘love’), and still got AIDS despite practicting ‘safe sex’;
http://gaylife.about.com/cs/hivaids1/a/hivstory.htm
“I am also acutely aware that I probably will need some public assistance in the future to afford the cost of the drugs I am now taking. The average cost of HIV medications is over $35,000 a year!”
Should other people have to pay the dime for a heterosexual couple in the same situation?
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Quiata
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 7:32am@VOX Use your brain for an additional two seconds.
We have two separate groups here, ****- versus heterosexual: two subsets of sexually active people who engage in different kinds of intercourse. Your statement, Vox, raises the following question: where has that “male member” been? How many times? With whom?
This is not bias, this is nature and fact. Ask any medical specialist about blood “cleanliness”, and then ask which sexual group (based on promiscuity and certain sexual practices) has the greatest number of blood-borne pathogens, including viruses that cause cancer. The facts speak for themselves.
You might enjoy a visit to the CDC website.
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Thatsitivehadenough
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 7:33amGay marriage is hijacking a term that has described marriage between a man and a woman for thousands of years. Gay people have no right, morally, ethically, or any other way to HIJACK it. There is no reason we should be forced to accept this.
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HANDOVRHRT
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 8:26amWHOA!!!! I had to duck, I didn’t realize I was getting into a first grade spit ball fight with all of these brilliant comments. One of the main issues for the Supreme Court meeting on the issue of same-sex marriage and one that the states are having problems with is not wether a homosexual is going to look me in the eyes and I myself might turn gay, show up at a march at Disney World or have God strike me down. It is an issue that I believe needs to be looked at closely and that is what happens to the deceased estate in the case of not having a will in a same-sex marriage. Look into it if you want because i have to get out of here before you Hemmingways hit me with a spit ball. One more thing, with all of the media attention that the gay marriage issue is getting, wouldn’t you think that America is at least 50% homosexual?? It is no more than 3%. That is one big political influence.
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MONICNE
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 8:27amMany unemployed are that way because they are haters and it comes across in their interviews. By the way, these takers owe the rest of society because they actually like not having a job.
TEA
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Quiata
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 8:37am@SUMNONSTULTUS Go to cdc.gov. Be informed.
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grimmster
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 8:55amWow, i count 7 different replys by encinom, on this one post. sumnon,archon,vox,soldier,lds mommy,handov and of course, moncine.Been a bust little boy today encinom…..moron…….
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catty
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:46amI would ask you for proof of that but that would be a waste of your idiotic time.
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Sidney Allen Johnson
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 11:44amActually those reports DO exist. Just like a rarely mentioned fact about the spread of AIDS among heterosexuals in Africa…its a common practice there to use anal sex as a form of BIRTH CONTROL. Alas, we see the BEHAVIOR is still the cause of the rapid spread of the disease.
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taintso
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 12:36pmThat is the reason the sewer chewers want same sex marriage so their health problems will be that of Married Couples, too appear normal and raise health care cost for all. The aides infested phaguts need to be quarantined in their closets.
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Marine25
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 2:22pm@sacredhonor1776
You ask “why does everyone else have to pay for the treatments of those who exhibit other forms of destructive behaviour”
You mean like we all contribute to the treatments of smokers, drinkers, and the obese?
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SacredHonor1776
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 3:19pmMarine, I said “any negative” behaviour. People with eating habits, smoking or drinking habits, are just as much a drain on society as sexual deviency, of hetero or homosexual kinds. If people are forcing one group of tax payers to pay for another person’s vice or habitual behaviour, something is indeed wrong.
Why should one group have to pay for another groups; gluttony, laziness, lust, envy, greed, pride, or anger?
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American Soldier (Separated)
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 6:01pmI find it hilarious that if you are on the opposing side of the status quo on this website, all of the sudden you’re really just an alt account of Encinom.
Guess what, I’m my own person with my own beliefs and experiences. It’s funny that you’ve build Encinom up to be some kind of lore here on the Blaze. Trust me, I’m not Encinom nor will I ever be. You can contact a moderator and have our IPs checked of you truly believe we’re all one person posting on multiple accounts.
Freedom is universal. It’s not just for things YOU agree to or things YOU want to do, even things you don’t agree with is protected under the freedoms of our Constitution. If you only want freedom for yourself, DA MN everyone else, then you are no lover of freedom, you are a tyrant at heart who will TAKE freedom from anyone who’s different than you. That is the antithesis of true freedom.
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revelation2012
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 10:49pmthe Living Word of GOD is available for all in America at this point in time
whether they pick it up and read and allow the ‘Holy Spirit’ to enlighten them
is their personal ‘choice’ – I personally believe HIS Word
if support means to condone I can not support – I will not judge –
I pray for the Holy Spirit to guide them and GOD’s will be done –
Jesus loves us this I know and we are to love one another,,,
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ashestoashes
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 11:03pmJesus said..I did not come to judge the world..but to save the world..My word..judges you..So it is each person’s responsibility to read God’s word in the Holy Bible and obey His laws..To inherit eternal life..one must accept that Jesus/Yeshua is God’s only begotten Son..who came to earth..born of a virgin..to live a perfect sinless life..to die on a cross for the redemption of our sins..for which we must ask forgiveness..repent (turn away from and resolve to do no more)…and He rose the third day..and resides at the right hand of Father God..tribulations is upon us. an unbelievably horrible time…the millenial kingdom is next..Lucifer is the god of this world..but he is under submission to Father God..Lucifer will be cast into hell..along with his followers..where their worm never dies..there will be weeping and nashing of teeth..and no hope..only a sorrowful painful existence in complete aloneness..without God..For the ones who live to satisfy the flesh in this life..they will have their reward here..It is fleeting…a small measure of time..compared to eternity..Blessings..
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KStret
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 12:15amRev and Ashes,
Christians need to be much smarter when engaging social issues. With same sex marriage, the SSM proponent’s own rationale to allow it dictates that redefining marriage is a right. Attack their flawed reasoning instead of quoting scripture.
When you quote scripture, you change the subject to religion, when it should be a legal and political issue. When you change the subject to religion, they can evade their own flawed reasoning and you play right into their hand of stereotyping Christians.
Unless Christians get better at debating this issue ssm will be legal in all 50 states within ten years. Once that happens, you will start to see “anti discrimination” or hate speech laws start popping up that will allow the government to directly attack the church.
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ashestoashes
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 11:19am@KSTRET That is the goal of Communism..to demoralize America so that she could be overtaken from within..That is why Obama appointed a homosexual Czar as head of school curriculums and why our universities have and are being run by liberal/Communists..I am sorry..but there is no argument without Father God and Jesus/Yeshua..God defined marriage..to live in Christ is to be free within the law..to live without Him is to live under the law…His own were chosen from the foundations of the world.and there are those who were created to be destroyed..Even if they legalize gay marriage..it will not be recognized by Father God..and they will pay the ultimate price..Adultery and fornication are legal..but not in the eyes of God..1 Cor 6:9-10 tells who will not enter the kingdom of God.. and that some of you were those..but you have been washed clean (by the blood of Jesus). There has to be a turning away from sin..That is the only argument that there is..If you have a better argument..please post it..I stand firm on my Saviour..I know of no greater mediator..He will argue my case against Lucifer..For we fight not against flesh and blood..but against powers and principalities in high places.
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The-Monk
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 10:48pmI had a bunch of younger friends that were gay. Much younger than I.
They’re all dead now. Died of AIDS and HIV. Rotting in their graves I suppose.
Funny how I just keep on living while all you free drugs and sex crowd die off so quickly.
So sad… you guys could have been part of a productive society. Now you are just going to the grave before those much older and wiser than you.
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KingDork
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 11:08pmOh yeah we all had taken this poll the other day when we were riding unicorns over in gumdrop lane, these little elves came out and asked us to take this poll that is mentioned here… er wait, none of that happened.
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The Third Archon
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 11:10pmNobody dies of HIV–they die of AIDS. HIV is harmless in its own right, it merely weakens your immune system–it’s the exacerbated second pathology that infects one, the AIDS, that is fatal.
I would have thought that someone who supposedly “had younger gay friends who all died of drugs and gay sex” would know this.
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The-Monk
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 11:34pm@The Third Archon
Keep dreaming and telling yourself that 3rd of 9 **** slayer. A weakened immune system from HIV can kill. If the immune system wasn’t weakened from HIV death would not have happened.
It’s like saying…. “If I hadn’t walked out in front of that car going 60 MPH I would have lived”.
Please stop replying to me… like I have asked you before. I care not to discuss “health” with a gay person.
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Git-R-Done
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 11:35pmTTA – Don’t get mad over the fact that homosexual men have much higher AIDS rates than heterosexual men.
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Quiata
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 8:58am@ARCH “HIV is harmless in its own right, it merely weakens your immune system”. We need to clarify something here! Let’s visit the dictionary….
1) Harm: Physical or psychological injury or damage….CHECK
2) Harmful: Causing or capable of causing harm; injurious…..CHECK
3) Harmless: Not causing or incapable of causing harm….BUZZ
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TheGrtDcptn
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 3:03pmThe Third Archon wrote…
‘HIV is harmless in its own right, it merely weakens your immune system’…
Harmless…?!…MERELY weakens the immune system…?!…
It is a death sentence…I can not believe how stupid your posts are, trying to validate hiv/aids…
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SacredHonor1776
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 3:23pmTyphoid Marry, HIV Harry… Perhaps he, thinks its ok if he spreads HIV, he won’t be killing people with it…
Or, as Planned Parenthood told people, having HIV is your secret, you have the right to tell or not tell partners if you have it… Your secrets are a civil right…
Despite it being a crime not to divulge something of that nature…
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Walkabout
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 4:58pmMonk these polls or the subsequent news reports remind me of the stories where prisoners being tortured until they tell the interrogator what they want to hear. If the interrogator hold up 3 fingers and wants to hear the prisoner say 2, then the prisoner is beaten until he say 2 in answer to the question “How many fingers am I holding up.”
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Locked
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 9:08amDid anyone else read about The-Monk’s “friends” and think “Man, what kind of A-hole friend is he, that he talks callously about his friends now rotting in their graves, being young, stupid, unproductive, and drug addicts?”
What I took away from this: you don’t want to be friends with The-Monk because he actually hates you and can’t wait for you to die so he can trash talk you.
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sumnonstultus
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 10:48pmWhy is everyone so offended by this? News flash, people–making jokes about HIV and people who are mentally ill is a greater offense than getting married.
Oh, yeah, it’s more “immoral,” too.
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SCREW-WINDOWS
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 11:21pmI guess you enjoy your tax dollars to be spent on gay diseases and disability for those who are having identity issues where they qualify for Social Security benefits.
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sumnonstultus
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 12:05amNope. I have no issue with investing money to research HIV. If we can learn to neutralize that virus–sorry, the “gay disease”–we can eliminate a lot of other pathogens. You should look up the implications of protein engineering. Maybe we can even get rid of some straight diseases, too!
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mercenary4freedom
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 12:11amlol SMOOT. lmao
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Quiata
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 8:44am@SUMNONSTUNTUS There is nothing wrong with investing in disease research, but stop to consider that this disease (and others like it) are behaviorally transmitted. That means: when a specific *voluntary* behavior ceases, so does the disease transmission.
(*As opposed to involuntary behaviors, like sneezing in public.)
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sumnonstultus
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 2:30pmAll disease are linked to behavior, idiot. Pathogens evolve to capitalize off of our–and other organism’s–behaviors. Ever heard of symbioses?
Sneezing in public requires BEING in public–a behavioral choice.
And, by your logic, then, we shouldn’t study lung cancer because it can be induced via cigarette smoking?
Please don’t argue with a microbiologist.
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SCREW-WINDOWS
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 5:09pmSo it is a behavioral choice to be gay and catch aids but it is the taxpayer who has to foot the bill.
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Quiata
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 6:12pmDear SUMNONSTUNTUS, “Voluntary” means one can use the faculty of will to partake –or not– in a behavior. “Voluntary” implies the human ability and willingness to assess risk before making a choice.
Promiscuity, engaging in ‘particular’ sexual practices, shooting up IV drugs are all risky behaviors with potential unwitting victims. As a microbiologist, you should know this better than anyone else! I love arguing with smug people who are credentialed (perhaps beyond their intelligence), who then threaten you with their credentials.
Per your reference, smoking is not the sole cause of lung cancer, as you well know. Cancer can appear without apparent cause. So let’s research that! Presently, we do know that HIV does NOT appear spontaneously. It is viral —> so far at least, we know the modes of transmission, which do not include sneezing or casual contact.
Big question for you: In addition to research, if a LETHAL disease is transmitted to unwitting victims by VOLUNTARY behaviors, do we not have an obligation to address or criticize those behaviors?
Side note: Surely you’re aware that when HIV struck Cuba, they initially screened and then quarantined people with the disease: as in, compulsory isolation in a sanatorium. They softened their stance somewhat in the mid ’90s, but the sanatorium system still exists there. Well, it’s Cuba after all, and they claim a low incidence of the disease in the general population (at least that’s what they say).
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Locked
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 9:20amShame on all of you calling HIV a “gay disease.” I had a friend in the 80′s who got this “gay disease” from a blood tansfusion; he later died from AIDS. Straight as an arrow, he had to deal with the stigma of being called “gay” up until his death.
You all should be ashamed of not only your behavior, but your ignorance. Lesbians have the lowest HIV rates out of any group; how is this a “gay” disease? After anal sex, the most common transmission vector is breast feeding; how is that a gay disease? Transmission rates among gays have been falling over time, but they’ve been growing among heterosexuals; how is that a gay disease?
Learn to think before you post. Shame on you.
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nighttrainno9
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 10:46pmBullSH!T, in truth less than 20% support queers and even thats a stretch.
Where do they find the fools that write this kind of garbage and why would
the blaze post an article like this.
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Winedude
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 7:53amWhere do you get your 20% number. My guess is that you pulled it out of your A$$, just like the other troglodyes in this forum. You may not like it and I may not either, but the reality is that today’s kids don’t care about this issue and have no problems with gay marriage. These are the same kids that are bright enough to see that the adults are slinging them a line of nonsense when religion is brought into the mix. It looks to me like the train is leaving the station and the Christians are too self-absorbed to see what’s happening.
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TAXEVERYONE
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:30amI agree, and the Blaze is just trying to imitate The National Enquirer.
No real news here.
What the heck has happened to Beck?
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LeadNotFollow
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 10:45pm.
Was this poll taken in downtown Sodom?
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ashestoashes
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 10:49pmYeah .. like San Francisco?
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The-Monk
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 10:40pm51% of the people that CBS (Commie Bisexual Socialist) chose to interview said they support gay marriage.
Well of course; I could do a poll that says 100% do not.
Somehow, the commies are satisfied with a 51% victory on everything they do now. I guess that means the rest of are trivial even though the polls are fake. NOT !!!
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Pantloadian
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:17amDUH MONK . . . We know. You like only certain poles. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
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Jeffursun
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 4:00pmPantloadian: LOL!
Remember to only believe the UN-skewed polls. Oh yeah, the earth is only 6000 years old too.
Sheesh. Can all the dumbasses please secede already? You can call your new home Unicorn States of America.
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wolfinshdo
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 10:39pmMarriage is and has been in decline for years. This will simply give the Dems a way to finally say they are helping families. “Look, under Dems, marriage has actually gone up a little. Wow. Yay for the Dems.”. I think we SHOULD let them have marriage. Why should straight guys be the only people suffering? Besides that, when Courts start trying to figure out who gets the kids in “Gay Marriages”. Will they try to decide which man is the more feminine? Will they try to decide which woman is the more masculine and should pay child support? It will help real Fathers who try and fight for time with their kids. The last statistic I saw was that only 11% of Fathers get custody in contested cases, and those guys have to be wealthy or she has to be REALLY messed up..
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revelation2012
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 10:38pmhow do ‘they’ mean ‘support’
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PoliticiansRCrooks
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 10:40pmI just don’t care. I am not going to enforce and tell some one you can’t do something. People make their own choices. If you want to a ***.. than go for it… I won’t see you in Heaven though.
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subic
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 10:53pmThose are some nice man hands!
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randy
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 10:33pmCBS News Poll? YEah right CBS. Not buying any Pravda CBS Poll.
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Quiata
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 7:55amWhether their “poll” is correct or not is not the issue. The issue is that CBS is using valuable ($$$) air time to frame the argument and make the issue relevant. This is how propaganda works.
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puravida56
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 10:33pmMany of that 51 % are conservative leaning independents. Libertarians who vote republican, like myself, are turned off by candidates who do not want to treat all people equally under the eyes of the government.
The republican party needs the support of the religious right, but they need to keep the religious right from controlling the platform. Gay marriage is a losing issue for republicans, I pray they drop it and focus on fiscal responsibility. Then, they can win.
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Chromo200
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 11:05pmPURAVIDA56 So what other values should I give up. How about abortion, use of any types of recreational pharmaceuticals, euthanize the elderly and handicapped, not pay back loans, I know limit the number of children to one per family because the earth is getting crowded, or how about open border. .. Just because I voted for Romney may make me a hypocrite, but on the other hand he promised to deal with the issues listed above differently than Obama.
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The Third Archon
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 11:22pm“So what other values should I give up. How about abortion,”
I am going to assume by that you mean “should I support allowing abortion?” to which the answer is a resounding YES.
“use of any types of recreational pharmaceuticals,”
(1) Not all illegal drugs are pharmaceuticals (in fact, the best ones aren’t)
(2) And the answer to your question is yes–virtually no recreational drugs should be illegal. It’s absolutely idiotic to think this does a damn thing to dissuade people who genuinely think its a good idea to use them not to, or does a damn thing to help those who are ALREADY addicted to such substances, but WOULDN’T like to keep doing them, to quit. All it does is fill jails and cost tax money. The exceptions should be things like PCP which invariably create substantial risks to others–any other kind of recreational drug either is perfectly fine if you are a responsible user, or if not would be better controlled and discouraged if treated like a disease rather than a crime.
“euthanize the elderly and handicapped,”
If they want to be and contract with a licensed physician, yes they have the right to die on their own terms.
“not pay back loans,”
No (unless you can’t–then, we ALREADY allow that, it’s called BANKRUPTCY).
“I know limit the number of children”
Impractical, but not a bad idea–the world WOULD be a much better place if people were more responsible and informed when it came to their reproduction.
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Git-R-Done
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 11:33pmTTA – No wonder you’re such a messed up leftist. You expect us to give up our values in the name of tolerance yet your side doesn’t have to do the same thing.
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Trance
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 11:43pmChromo200
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 11:05pm
PURAVIDA56 So what other values should I give up?
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I’m not PURAVIDA56, but I would suggest you give up any “values” that doesn’t allow people to live their lives the way they would like. As long as it doesn’t negatively effect others. We should start with a constitution that intends for government to be limited in power, and have a primary purpose of protecting the individual liberties of the citizens. Government should not make up silly laws meant to exclude certain people in society.
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strawberry411a
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 10:32pmHurry up then. let’s get this over with soon.
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strawberry411a
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:06amHey ARCHON..Don’t kid yourself. Conservatives are not the ONLY ones screwed “on this issue”. You may or may not believe in the Christian Gospel, but nature is still NATURE: procreation is still the ONLY means to guarantee that the human race…such as it is…continues. So you can raise the victory flag all you want…hooray for anal sex and the ultimate orgasm…………and then what. But good God. Is this all you do. I have never seen anyone type so muchon any forum EVER.
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The Third Archon
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 10:31pm“There is a generational divide on this issue. Young Americans (those ages 18-29) are some of the strongest proponents of allowing gay and lesbian couples to marry. Seventy-two percent of them support it”
Damn sure–72%, boy are conservatives screwed on this issue! I think that’s why there’s so much skepticism about this poll here–because THIS audience is on average in the demographics were support for gay marriage ISN’T the majority, so of course they commit the “universe is me” fallacy which is very easy to make, and assume that it MUST not be true that ANY demographic, or the aggregate demographic, is FOR gay marriage, because THEIR’S isn’t. But they’re wrong, and they are only going to get MORE wrong as time goes on.
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erock33
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 10:55pmYou spend ALOT of time commenting on this site. You must be a sucky liar…er…lawyer with no clients.
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The Third Archon
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 11:02pmI’m just a fast typist.
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erock33
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 11:10pmIf only your intellect could keep up with your fingers.
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sumnonstultus
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 12:11amIf only you knew that “alot” isn’t a word, Erock33.
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asybot12
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 12:56amWhy are you not telling everyone who the first and second archon were that you are basing your moniker on we have been waiting for years (you were gone for a while how was the “holiday”?).
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Quiata
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 7:51amSo what’s your argument against group marriage, ARCH? Three men? Four women? Two men, one woman, a dog? Eight people, two of which under the age of sixteen?
In all seriousness, what is your stance on “marriage” as it applies to two adult individuals? Obviously you don’t draw a line by gender, so what is your position on numbers?
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steveh931
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 12:31pmJustifying same sex marriage by a majority vote does not make it any less sinful or right. Defiance of the human soul coming from God himself is discussed many times throughout the bible and leads to the end of times by way of denial. History is repeating itself.
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1_Smoot_Tall
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 10:26pm“How does a guy lay on the beach, look at another guys’ hairy a$$ and say, ‘Ooooh! I want that!’?”
-Andrew Dice Clay
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Small World
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 10:33pmHow does a lady do that?
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soybomb315_II
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 10:47pmits a miracle 90% of women are not gay
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The Third Archon
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 11:01pmIs it a miracle? IS it?! Because if you really think about it, as much as it would suck for heterosexual men, if only 10% of women were available as partners for natural reproduction, then the quality of the gene pool would see a MASSIVE upsurge as the remaining straight women would have FAR more selection power to choose only the most exceptional human males–physically attractive, strong, incredibly intelligent, in other words, true exemplars of humanity. And as far the homosexual women, since only one half of the couples’ genes CAN be used in the child anyway, they already have every incentive to evaluate the male contribution purely on genetic quality grounds.
So on a personal level, 90% of women being homosexual would DEFINITELY suck for the majority of men (ceteris paribus), but from a biological perspective, in the long-run we might become a much more impressive species.
But that’s just, slightly humorous, slightly serious, idle speculation.
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Git-R-Done
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 11:34pmTTA – No wonder you’re such an anti-survival psychopath. You want everybody else to be a death worshipper like you are.
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DLV
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 1:46amsoybomb- no it’s not a miracle at all. There a lot of good qualities in men that are not in women. Frankly, even though I’m straight I get along with guys FAR more than women. Women generally don’t share the same interests as me, many don’t like the same things as me. And though I’m not sexually attracted to men, in my opinion men are built better. And also, the beginning comment talks about hairy asses which yes is obviously a turnoff but women like guys who take care of themselves and what not. So again, it’s not really a miracle at all.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 7:17amthanks for your analysis DLV. I think women’s bodies are ‘built better’ so we will part ways there
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Quiata
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:37am@SMALL WORLD We women LIKE men, and we’re wired in “that” way. It’s biological. To me, hairy men are much more attractive than non-hairy ones. Don’t ask me why, they’re just more manly. :^)
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DLV
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 12:49pmSoy- when I say built better I was referring to Athletics and the like. I guess you didn’t really get that.
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sumnonstultus
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 2:33pmHomophobia AND misogyny? Awesome, guys.
True Americans.
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Small World
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 10:20pmI don’t believe the poll but if true we are in worse trouble than I thought.
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sumnonstultus
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 10:44pmHow will gay marriage adversely affect you?
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Small World
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 11:11pmMarriage= one women one man.
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Git-R-Done
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 11:36pmSumnon – How do polygamy, polyandry, incest, or other alternative forms of marriage affect you, hypocrite?
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Quiata
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 7:46amI don’t doubt the poll; it’s just a matter of time before we have happy prime time TV shows that depict cute, flowery “marriages” between groups of people. Three men and a baby? NBC is probably already working on a rehash of that old pic.
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sumnonstultus
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 2:37pmFunny story, Git-R-Done. . .
They DON’T affect me.
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TheEndIsComing
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 10:20pmA majority does not prove the same sex marriage is right. It only proves that America is morally bankrupt. Because I might be in the minority does not bother me a bit. Bible stories and predictions most often show that it is a minority that are saved from destruction while the evil majority perishes.
I’m amazed by the boldness of sin these days without any bit of humility. It’s really scary because I believe that we have really arrived to the time where things are as Jesus said that things will be like they were before the flood. Evil prevails and the end is coming. Maranatha.
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The Third Archon
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 10:38pmI love how quickly the majoritarian rhetoric is abandoned when conservatives no longer hold the majority on an issue–so long as they think they have 50%+1 conservatives will bang on all day invoking the argumentum ad populum endlessly with a mantra of “majority rules!” as if it were an inviolable sacred law. But the second they think they’ve LOST the “+1″ of 50%+1, suddenly they all remember the argumentum ad populum is a fallacy and instead insist they have always had a sacred and inviolable right to do, or not do, whatever it is their minority position now is.
You’ve at least got to give them credit–they sure are strategically wily when it comes to politics.
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ModerationIsBest
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 11:49pm@THE THIRD ARCHON
It’s almost as good as, “This country was founded by Christians and Judeo Christian values!”
Oh you mean by people who owned other human beings as property?
You mean by people who killed other people and took their land?
You mean by people who treated women as second class citizens?
Yup, sounds like Christianity to me,
Then you get, “WELL YOU CAN’T BLAME THAT ON CHRISTIANITY ITSELF!”
I had someone tell me, “they tried to release their slaves, but it was against the law!”
Obviously our founders didn’t really care that much about being disobedient and fighting for a just cause because they REBELLED against the crown over their grievances.
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ModerationIsBest
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 11:51pm@THE THIRD ARCHON
I get the, “This country is primarily made up of religious people, most Christians!”
Then when I try to blame the problems of society on the Christians, no suddenly now it’s the “progressives” or “atheists” or maybe they aren’t “true Christians”
Seriously, it’s a sick joke.
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encinom
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 11:54pmHow is the fact that more and more Americans believe that all of their fellow citizens should be allowed to enjoy all of their rights, proof of moral bankruptcy?
The culture war is over and the bigots lost.
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TheEndIsComing
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 12:20amThe proof the America is morally bankrupt is that normal people have been deceived into believing that one man sticking his penis in another man’s ******** is ok, and deviants that do such behavior are not embarrassed about it, but go around trying to force all of the rest of us to accept their deviancy.
Homosexuality is immoral. Period.
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Diane TX
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 12:30am@ ModerationIsBest
I’m not the least surprised that you don’t know that the early settlers DID NOT OWN SLAVES!
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ModerationIsBest
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 1:08am@DIANE TX
So are you saying the founding fathers didn’t own slaves? Or they weren’t Christians?
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Quiata
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 8:03am@ENCINOM “The culture war is over and the bigots lost.”
Um, no, keep whistling past the graveyard…the real culture war is just beginning, and it’s across the ocean… dominated by a people who know that wars can be won simply by having the most babies. And they definitely DON’T like gay marriage.
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Quiata
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 8:24am@MODERATION Lest you forget, slavery was a WORLDWIDE PHENOMENON up until the 19th century. What that means is, it occurred everywhere on the planet where organized communities existed. It was around since the dawn of mankind, and it affected ALL peoples. Dark, light, Euro-, Asian, Arab, Egyptian, African; it happened everywhere and was an integral element in societies that required cheap labor. Slavery and indentured servitude began to erode due to mechanization (>>>Thanks, you clever scientist-engineer-type problem solvers!!! <<<) and because of growing awareness and condemnation in the wake of the Enlightenment. (And which societies birthed the Enlightenment and most of the mechanical inventions that freed people from manual labor…???)
Keep that in mind while you sit through your 100-level American History courses.
Oh, and P.S. Slavery still exists in pockets in parts of the world today…and where would that be?
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TheGrtDcptn
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 3:41pmModerationIsBest wrote…
It’s almost as good as, “This country was founded by Christians and Judeo Christian values!”
Oh you mean by people who owned other human beings as property?
You mean by people who killed other people and took their land?
You mean by people who treated women as second class citizens?
Ah yes…the deviant argument…I hope you realize that not ONE citizen today is responsible for what took place hundreds of YEARS ago…but stupid is as stupid does…
And if your logic (bwahahahaha) were to stand, then ALL sodomites, and their supporters, are guilty of Sodom and Gommorah, of which there IS scientific proof, but you can not allow FACTS to get in your way. Meshech, Tubal, Gomer, Togarmah, Put (Biblical)…Look them up, they ALL exist to this day…Or is the TRUTH too much for you to handle…?
You serve the father of all lies well…
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SCREW-WINDOWS
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 10:20pmAnd 51% smoke dope and 51% are mentally ill and confused.
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The_Plumber_Says
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 10:19pmBullsh*t!!!
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Elena2010
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 10:26pmStraight out of Hades for sure!
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The Third Archon
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 10:15pmAh, how I love the smell of denial in the morning..
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Git-R-Done
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 11:38pmExcept it’s you who’s in denial in the long run. Your ideology has always failed every time it’s been tried and it always will fail no matter how many times you try it. Excuse me if humanity has suffered enough from your ideology.
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The-Monk
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 12:06amThat’s not denial…… it’s dung.
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strawberry411a
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:39amOk Archon. You are bordering on some type of mental illness here now.
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JBORDEN
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 10:12pmMan+Woman=Kids, Man+Man=AIDS
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Small World
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 10:18pmGood one.
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American Soldier (Separated)
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 3:22amAids didn’t develop during two men having sex. It’s just most commonly transferred through sexual intercourse. You can still get it by a blood transfusion and even heterosexual sex.
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 6:28amAS(S), But AIDS is far, far more common amongst homosexual men.
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Quiata
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 7:39amAS(S) needs to visit cdc.gov and check their “fast facts” page about HIV stats among “msm” (men who have sex with men). You want some real statistics? Go there.
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Walkabout
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 4:54pmAmerican Soldier (Separated)
Aids didn’t develop during two men having sex. It’s just most commonly transferred through sexual intercourse.
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Per act of intercourse, HIV is more than 2,000 times more likely to be transmitted during anaI intercourse than vaginaI intercourse.
There is a distinct difference between same sex intercourse & normal intercourse.
You seem to be in denial “American Soldier (Separated)”. Maybe the APA lied to you & you are not well.
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TSUNAMI_22
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 10:10pmNo they don’t.
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Silversmith
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 10:08pmSo I am supposed to be moved by this more than by the 60% who DON’T want Obamacare?
I’m happy to work my way down on majority wishes.
Silversmith
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ZAP
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 10:07pmYEAH, 51% of pole smokers are for same sex marriage
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INTOODEEP
Posted on December 1, 2012 at 10:07pmI seriously doubt this poll is true…!
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vox_populi
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 12:05amI’m sure it’s skewed in favor of leftists, just like all the polls preceding the election were skewed towards Obama.
Oh, wait…
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American Soldier (Separated)
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 3:35amWhy?
Obama won popular vote by 51%, why is it hard to believe the same 51% that voted Obama don’t care or are in favor of enforcing the Equal Protection portion of our Constitution?
Now throw in the independents and libertarians who agree, I’d say it’s more than pausible.
Sure, in your circle of friends or even in your city you couldn’t believe this number but America as a whole? Absolutely. And take the younger demographic, who even being religious, view gay rights as something the government has no authority over? Your ideals are a dying breed.
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TheGrtDcptn
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 3:53pmAmerican Soldier (Separated) wrote…
‘Your ideals are a dying breed’…
Uhm…NO, it is the ideals from your side that are dead on arrival, in every sense of the word…
You will never win the battle, you have lost before it has even begun…
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