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With less than a month to go, House Speaker John Boehner said White House and GOP negotiators have made no progress on talks to avert the “fiscal cliff.”
“I would say we’re nowhere. Period. We’re nowhere,” Boehner (R-Ohio) said in an interview on “Fox News Sunday.”
Sharp tax hikes and major spending cuts are set to automatically go into effect unless Congress and the White House can reach a deal before the end of the year.
Boehner said “there’s clearly a chance” of going over the cliff if the sides can’t come to an agreement.
“We’ve put a serious offer on the table by putting revenues up there,” he said. “But the White House has responded with virtually nothing.”
Boehner said President Barack Obama “knows what our proposals are” but it’s not clear what but that Obama himself is willing to do.
“The president’s idea of negotiations is ‘roll over and do what I ask,’” he said.
Boehner said he was “flabbergasted” and said he told Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner “you can’t be serious” when Geithner outlined Obama’s budget deal offer on Thursday, which included $1.6 trillion in increased tax revenues.
Boehner said that he “might be an easy guy to get along with, affable,” but he’s “determined to solve our debt problem.”
“We are going to deal with America’s debt problem…we’re not going to kick this can down the road again,” he said. “I don’t want any part of going over the cliff, I’m going to do everything I can to avert it, but we are going to solve this debt problem.”
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WiredRight
Dec. 2, 2012 at 11:50amI saw this movie last year…
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RANGER1965
Dec. 2, 2012 at 3:09pmI hope all you Blazers realize what is happening just behind the curtain.
The administration is extending this thing out, offering ludicrous proposals which they know will not even be considered by the House. They are purposely running out the clock.
Trial balloons are already going up here and there, about the fiscal cliff being a matter of national security. Here’s one from the the Secretary of State.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/11/secretary-of-state-hillary-clinton-fiscal-cliff-is-a-national-security-issue/
Once the ground had been prepared by newspapers, and news shows perhaps on Christmas Eve, or shortly after, the President will make an emergency announcement which will be carried on all the networks. He will talke about the dangers of the fiscal cliff, and the paralyzation of the Republican controlled house. He will talk about how partisan politics are destroying America, and such cannot continue when America is on the brink.
He will then declare that the Fiscal Cliff is now a matter of National Security, and will declare that the management of this emergency will be handled by the adminstration.
He will also assure Americans that once this Fiscal Emergency is over he will lay down these executive powers.
…and so it begins.
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SCREW-WINDOWS
Dec. 2, 2012 at 4:52pmUnder a dictatorship there is no need for Representatives.
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barber2
Dec. 2, 2012 at 4:56pmRANGER: Soy will say you are ” paranoid.” I say you are a sage analyzer of the Smoke And Mirrors of the Chicago Radical Obama Far Left Democrats ! Their Friday night news releases/ executive orders issues. Remember their ” never waste a Crisis ” tactic ? This is a clever case of the Democrats CREATING their own Fiscal Cliff Crisis to ” not waste.” And the holidays are approaching. . People are busy. Distracted. Traveling. These Obama Democrats are so transparent. So un-American. So Chicago mob. So dangerous. So media savvy . And growing so out of control. Isn’t this just the Merriest Christmas ever ??! I know what I want for Christmas !
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chalkdust
Dec. 2, 2012 at 5:01pmRanger
You’re right about Obama running out the clock. I don’t think you’re right about him grabbing power. Although, I certainly don’t think it’s a ludicrous prediction to make.
I think the administration will, at every opportunity, smash the republican party into as many bits as possible. They are thinking about 5 election cycles into the future. Obama is paving the way for the next 30 years. Obama is a company man. Almost everything the administration has done was and is strategic in nature including the fiscal cliff. If you compared their political gamesmanship to a football score it would be dems 80 republican 3 and I’m being generous giving the republicans a field goal. The 2010 victory should have been at least 5 touchdowns but all they could score was a field goal.
Result: Republican Party over. Nothing but diminishing returns from here.
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justwow
Dec. 2, 2012 at 6:05pmWith the vast majority of the media working for Obama, the Republicans are pretty much SOL. Too many of us Americans are too lazy to look beyond what we see or hear on our favorite station or news show to realize there is a curtain to be looked behind. The vast majority of “journalists” are not, to this country’s very great detriment. I fear we are going to sink into the black waters of history before enough of us wake up to the real direction that “Forward” is going.
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Bum thrower
Dec. 2, 2012 at 7:17pmGO HOME!!! ‘Remember’ all the “prosperity” and ‘balanced budget” we got with the Clinton era tax rate increases?? Well….lets go back to the ‘good ole days’….
RINOs GO HOME!!!
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enzomedici
Dec. 2, 2012 at 11:26pmThe GOP look like fools on their stance of not taxing the rich. This is just an idiotic position to take, especially since most rich people voted for Obama in the last election. Don’t they have any idea of how this looks? They are the party of the rich old white guy…and they just keep doing things to validate it. This whole anti-women, anti-gay, pro-rich stance is what cost them the last election. You think they would learn something from that absolute landslide loss, but no, they just keep plugging away with the same old positions. The GOP is pretty much finished from what I can tell. At least I’m done with them. I just won’t vote until we get a decent third party because I’m tired of the two we have.
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huey6367
Dec. 3, 2012 at 8:15am@ Bum Thower
Yes, let’s go back to the good ole days – before the passage of the 16th Amendment (income tax).
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AnnMarie
Dec. 3, 2012 at 8:42amSomeone has to say the word SPENDING in the Republican talking points as many times as the words TAX THE RICH Democrat talking points. People understand that the battle is not really on the taxing of the rich but on the crazy out of hand spending.
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Proverbs17-12NLT
Dec. 3, 2012 at 9:23amVote ‘Present’ Republicans. It’s the Obama economy now.
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chewfatlip
Dec. 3, 2012 at 10:34amProverbs, you are right. The republicans need to just vote present and let Obama and the dems own the economy. Not that they wouldn’t find a way to blame Republicans anyway.
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tifosa
Dec. 2, 2012 at 11:41amBall is in your court, Boehner. Step up and tell us what your side wants. Romney/Ryan ran away from the Ryan plan.
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RANGER1965
Dec. 2, 2012 at 11:58amSorry, but that dog won’t hunt.
He’s listed his demands and framework for an agreement. The Whitehouse once again spouted a few liberal talking points and has gone silent.
Obama will be reprising his role as this nation’s savior around Christmas when he declares the fiscal cliff a matter of national security. He will then boldy take the reigns, and save us from our doom.
Hail to Emperor Obama.
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tifosa
Dec. 2, 2012 at 12:03pmBoehner is in the counter-offer position. I’d be interested to see what he’d propose. Do you have a link to his positions?
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RANGER1965
Dec. 2, 2012 at 12:27pmhttp://www.speaker.gov/general/speaker-boehner-says-white-house-fiscal-cliff-offer-nonsense-calls-spending-cuts-tax-reform
See above.
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oneshiner
Dec. 2, 2012 at 12:45pmIt’s a very simple, easily seen answer: CUT THE DAM SPENDING. Taxing the very wealthy will give us barely a week’s worth of help. Kinda like going to the store for food and running out of everything needed before the next payday. CUT THE DAM SPENDING if you want to solve our problems.
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tifosa
Dec. 2, 2012 at 12:46pmHis appearance today on FoxNewsSunday was NOTHING more than the usual whining complaints. He had no counter-offer, he complained about the debt ceiling plan that was originally Mitch McConnell’s plan last year, complained about “unspecified cuts to entitlements” which was exactly in Ryan’s plan, and, btw, America just voted down the only thing Boehner has brought so far (Mitt’s plan to close loopholes.)
Ball’s STILL in his court.
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barber2
Dec. 2, 2012 at 12:51pmTIF: you guys are such phonies. Haven’t produced a budget since Chicago Obama started to OCCUPY the White House ! Go away. Only the clueless idiots at your Democrat base believe this garbage.
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RANGER1965
Dec. 2, 2012 at 12:54pmSorry Tifosa
Saying you can jump off a cliff and fly despite evidence to the contrary doesn’t make it true.
You need to educate youself, and read some good books on critical thinking.
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tifosa
Dec. 2, 2012 at 1:07pmThe ONLY way we go over a “cliff” is if the R’s refuse to negotiate. Boehner needs to put forth THEIR counter-plan. Barber and Ranger, the ad hominems are laughable~very Alinsky :)
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barber2
Dec. 2, 2012 at 1:14pmRANGER: Don’t you love the absolute immaturity of these Democrat game-players ?! The Blame Game . The smears and lies. Reminds me of the looney cart-wheeler yesterday. I’ve seen more maturity in a junior high lunch room than in congress and in the comments like TIF’s . Can see why they are still in mom’s basement and needing her health care to cover them. Sorry that the ones in congress and the administration aren’t still in their moms’ basements , but I can certainly understand why all of those mom’s would not want that !
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RANGER1965
Dec. 2, 2012 at 1:21pmBall is in your court Tifosa.
/wave
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RANGER1965
Dec. 2, 2012 at 1:48pm@Barber2
The coming tough times will sort them out as it always does throughout history.
Those that cling to antiquated and bankrupt belief systems like socialism and liberalism will feel the full fury (of their hero) Darwin’s accelerated natural selection. It’s funny how a little deprivation caused by the very systems that liberals champion will turn the most committed progressive into a staunch conservative.
As the practicalities of life, and the realitys of what really does work, are seen clearly through the lens of true need, rather than some esoteric talking point to be discredited, you will see the fall of all that is childish and unworkable.
Tifosa, like many of these weak minded mockers are about to experience Darwin’s Thresher. I hope most will “man-up” and drop their stupidity like a bad love affair.
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barber2
Dec. 2, 2012 at 1:59pmYes. When you win an election, ” the ball is in your court.” GAMES OVER . Now please tell that to Mr. Campaigner-in-Chief and his Merry Band of Anti-Capitalists. He won. Now he is supposed to LEAD. Now, isn’t that a novel idea, Democrats ??
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soybomb315_II
Dec. 2, 2012 at 6:06pmIf the Republicans hadn’t completely destroyed what was left of the Constitution during the Bush years, we could have some hope that our rights would be protected during the collapse. Now it’s a long-shot
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Silvertruth
Dec. 2, 2012 at 8:10pmYou cannot ‘counter offer’ an unltimatum. The GOP has given ground, the President is saying ‘give more’ and will keep doing so until there is no ground left for the GOP to give then he’ll say, “See, you came to my position all along, should’ve done this years ago!”.
The GOP needs to do what it is doing, calling the bluff and waiting for the Dem’s to give ground. They need to keep saying “We are going noplace until YOU give up one of your sacred cows, we’ve sacrificed one of ours to the negotiations- your turn.”
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Candy06
Dec. 3, 2012 at 11:23amJudging what is being said here and elsewhere I’d say that most of the GOP should just be honest and join the Democrats. I believe that at present they are acting as a pressure valve for their conservative base in order to bring us to Democrat’s and RINO’s way of thinking while we think it is our idea! That’s not the type of party I want to spin my wheels on.
I don’t think we will get anywhere with violence nor do I want such a thing but I believe in peer pressure. Either the old Republican guard need to join the other party or we need to establish another party. I think we may have time; if we start now, to make an impact in the next elections.
The purpose for a new party is for “we the people” to have representation which is something we lack at present. I’m am “too through” with a party that does nothing but throw in the towel. Did you notice how well Romney did in that first debate with Obama and fell apart during the next two debates? He must have been drug over the coals by the Republicans after that first win!!! These people who do nothing but cave to the Democrats need to be replaced in the worst kind of way!!! However, the new republicans should be allowed to stay and be evaluated as to whether they can do the job or not. I’m basically talking about the old GOP!
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Advection
Dec. 2, 2012 at 11:40amBonehead is, to a great degree, to blame for this mess because he stepped right into the trap set by Obama/Reid/Pelosi. Democrats are now busily setting new traps, asking for the “emergency” to be extended again and for Congress’ constitutional powers to be transferred to the executive branch.
If they ever give Obama Congress’ power of the purse, they will have created an unstoppable dictator who will never need to go back to congress for anything.
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truthnstuff
Dec. 2, 2012 at 11:55amYou are absolutely correct. I am wondering why these guys can’t put a bill together which is good for the country, articulate the benefits and solutions of that plan to the people, and send it to the floor for a vote. Let the Dems demonize and pander. As long as they can defend the policies as good for the country……oooops, wait, they are incapable of articulating anything. They can only give speeches and will never be able to lie as well as the Dems.
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Advection
Dec. 2, 2012 at 12:20pmThat’s right, and the House should demand that all negotiations be done on CSPAN. Democrats cannot be allowed to hatch their schemes behind closed doors. Throw the committee room doors open and let the American people see what they’re doing.
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RIGHT_WHERE_IT_HURTS
Dec. 2, 2012 at 5:46pmStepped into it? He knew about it beforehand, I betcha. I say we declare war on Ohio for putting the drunken derelict back in there. Shades of Tip O’Neill…at least Tipsy spoke.
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jessieH
Dec. 2, 2012 at 11:37amHere’s an idea. Put both parties, Dems & Reps, in GITMO, lock the doors & wait. I’ll bet they have a balanced budget before the week’s up!
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zman173rd
Dec. 2, 2012 at 11:50amObama wants this to fail so he can point a finger at the repub’s and blame them for the $2000 increase in taxes we’ll feel starting next year. And in a way he’s right. We don’t do anything to enlighten the public about who this is the admins’ fault. Boehner is such a big disappointment. He is a typical politician looking for his cut. That’s all these guys know is “what’s in it for me?” Sad to say it’s not just a fiscal cliff we’re heading toward. This all seems so preplanned. They’ll vote for the increase in the debt ceiling and then vote themselves a pay increase and work out all those new incentive programs and throw newly printed but non gold back money at us and we’ll all moan and groan and get nowhere. I’m beginning to feel like that dirty slob who walks around the streets wearing the sign that reads. “REPENT!! The end is at hand !’ Sorry for the downer but, It’s too late folks.
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SCREW-WINDOWS
Dec. 2, 2012 at 5:00pmWhy not treat Congress the same as the common man paycuts and benefit cuts we all have skin in the game. Just because they are Government employee’s it does not mean job security.
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ShyMan
Dec. 2, 2012 at 11:31amSomeone already said it but, we took a nose dive off that cliff a long time ago.
If you think politicians are going to fix it…good luck with that.
Survival mode…activate.
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soybomb315_II
Dec. 2, 2012 at 11:39am“If you think politicians are going to fix it…good luck with that.”
So a few weeks ago, it was “Romney to save the day”….Now it is too bad to fix?….Which one is it – cuz not much has changed since Nov 6.
Many of us have been in survival mode for years – and we knew it would take someone like Ron Paul for America to have a chance….But Ron Paul supporters were trashed by the republican folk. Dont you see the irony? Like Saul on the road to Damascus – at least you are starting to see the light
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longknifed
Dec. 2, 2012 at 11:51amEvery election it was, “now is not the time. we need to get behind this banker puppet candidate and deal with the constitutional when the time is right.”
So we put our foot down because enough is enough. It will NEVER be time because it is an INDUSTRY. Too much money is being made to shut her down. The Federal Reserve has too many payoffs to make to the Military-industrial complex, Arab governments, European CEOs and federal housing slumlords.
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RodT82721
Dec. 2, 2012 at 11:26amOur President spent his 1st term on the road, campaigning for his Marxist policies, of course all funded by the same tax payers he want to harm.
So now he’s back at it. Barry put his Carney barker hat back on and hit the road again, and again at the tax payers expense.
He only puts on his little dog & pony show, where he knows his hand picked audience will provide him the accolades that make those nice little video bites, that make up the evening news, that show all those friends-of-Barry cheering him on, as he preaches for more of your money.
Got him re-elected, so why not.
Boehner, on the other hand, gets attacked on the evening news for wanting to protect those evil rich (most of us work for), that only pay most of our govt cost now. 2% paying only 40% isn’t “fair” enough for the “1″. This war on the rich keeps his failures off the news too.
We are operating under mob rule now.
Raising income taxes on 2% to punish them is forbidden by our Constitution and everyone knows it.
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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Dec. 2, 2012 at 11:37amIts forbidden by the Constitution indeed, yet when does Obama and his fanatical followers care for the Constitution anymore? Or when did they ever care for it save to promote their own communist agenda?
Remember that after the bailouts began how many members of Congress tried to pass legislation for specifically taxing individuals who received bonuses via bailout money? Expect the same to occur very soon.
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blackyb
Dec. 2, 2012 at 11:12amThe bone heads just can’t seem to figure it out that Obama wants to ruin this country. Maybe they just do not want the general public to realize it. Most of us do, so how about factoring this into your decisions not to run him out of office.
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legendarytwo
Dec. 2, 2012 at 11:11amWay to go John! Prove us all wrong and be a patriot. If we don’t pay the price now it will be too costly later.
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UNALIEN
Dec. 2, 2012 at 11:06amWE went over the fiscal cliff long ago, 7 trillion a year debt, liability and obligations in a 16 trillion dollar economy with 24% of that government and growing. Raising taxes will exacerbate the problem and Obama wants MORE Government spending and debt,,
So give it to him,, give the socialists their utopia and make them feel the consequences of living off of the fruits of past Capitalism.. We are picking up velocity and heading straight into the ground,,
Starve the beast… this thing is going down anyway, it is only a matter of time..
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MFHorn3
Dec. 2, 2012 at 11:24amCaptain Smith: “But this ship is unsinkable.”
Thomas Andrews: “The ship is made of iron. I assure you Captain that she can and will sink.”
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progressiveslayer
Dec. 2, 2012 at 11:29amYou’re correct this beast is going down because no amount of taxation will get us out of it,hell Barry even knows it that’s why he wants all these taxes to hit,he knows it’ll hasten the collapse. He’s working Cloward & Piven to the hilt and his simpleton base won’t realize it until it hits,of course by then it’ll be too late,hell it’s too late now. I could see Barry pulling a Morsi on us and try to seize absolute power,if it gets as bad as I think it will I wouldn’t put it past him to try.
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Advection
Dec. 2, 2012 at 12:00pmThey will make chaos then offer a plan to save everyone. The plan will be to dispense with the Constitution, concentrating all power in Obama.
http://realityinred.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/emperor-obama-complete.jpg
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EqualJustice
Dec. 2, 2012 at 11:02amDoes anyone else think it’s time for another DC ‘gathering’ of conservatives? We need to make sure they hear us, too. COME ON Glenn, you have the power to make this happen! Time to tell them to get out of our lives and that we still have a voice! April, around tax time, sounds good to me, and yes, I am angry, frustrated, and just plain fed up. Please, let’s do this before it’s too late?
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Mil-Dot
Dec. 2, 2012 at 11:10amEqual,
While you peacefulness is commendable, that will not work. We could have a gathering of 10 million conservatives in DC and they would not care in the least . They laugh at us. They get behind closed doors and chuckle about how ” those teabaggers are a joke, they don’t have the balls to do anything”. Then they laugh, smack each other on the back, drink some expensive brandy and schedule appointments with lobbyists that line their pockets. At least the Dems have the balls to threaten them with violence. That is the only thing those criminals understand and respect.
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1776freedomofspeech
Dec. 2, 2012 at 11:27am@MIL-DOT
Yes I believe you are right.
To quote Don Henley:
You don’t really need to find out what’s going on
You don’t really want to know just how far it’s gone
Just leave well enough alone
Eat your dirty laundry
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barber2
Dec. 2, 2012 at 11:00amI feel like America already went over the cliff when Obama was supposedly re-elected. So let’s just continue . This over-spending insanity MUST stop. I am tired of the games and, especially, of the ” performances ” of the Teleprompter Administration. Just more Bullying, smearing, obstructing, and blaming by the ever-capaigning juvenile in the White House who needs to grow up, man up , and wise up.
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HumbleMan
Dec. 2, 2012 at 11:09amRight, the fiscal cliff was 5 trillion bucks ago.
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retiredfire
Dec. 2, 2012 at 12:41pmOne problem: what is being discussed now has NOTHING to do with cutting spending.
Cutting spending will happen when a budget is proposed and passed. Even the sequestration thing that is supposed to come into being at the beginning of ’13 won’t happen because we are under a continuing resolution (I think until March), which means spending stays the same.
What they are talking about now, legislatively speaking, is dealing with the Bush tax cuts. If anything supposedly happens on spending it will be promised, future cuts and relying on those is kind of like “fool me twice (or three times or four times etc. etc. etc)”.
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chicago76
Dec. 2, 2012 at 2:05pmYou got it.
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barber2
Dec. 2, 2012 at 2:25pmRETIRED: Agree. This is all a word game orchestrated by the Far Left Chicago radical crowd . No budget. No solutions. Just words games and class division. Hoping for more OWS civil unrest and the power the executive branch can then gain in addition to the power they have gained through the executive orders . They are a dangerous bunch of 60s radicals..re-heated with law degrees. aka the Obama Administration ( funny, that even Hilary is from the greater Chicago area )
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cloudsofwar
Dec. 2, 2012 at 10:54amfiscal cliff? we already fell over the cliff. 16T in debt and counting. we can’t pay our debt now or ever at this rate. cut spending, no borrowing, lower corperate taxes and bring jobs back to the USA. fiscal cliff my **** forget about it.
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soybomb315_II
Dec. 2, 2012 at 10:45amhow about the republicans agree to the deal if the democrat senate allows ‘audit the fed’ bill to a vote?
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Dec. 2, 2012 at 10:59amSame thing goes for you numbnuts that I replied to JUST ANGRY with…
Did you vote for Romney? If you didn’t (of course you didn’t)… you are part of the problem… not the solution. You folks got what you wanted, so stop offering up any solutions and making demands on your elected President OR Republicans. Obama used you and now he has no time for you and your useful idiocy. You’re irrelevant… useless as teets on a boar. You had a better chance getting what you wanted with a CEO and a Republican in office. You’re stuck with WHO and WHAT you enabled… as are we.
Difference between those who voted for Romney and those who didn’t? We had skin in the game…
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progressiveslayer
Dec. 2, 2012 at 11:00amThey’ll audit the fed when hell freezes over. We need to return to the gold standard and Lehrman thinks we will,so do I. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K66KithMQlA
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barber2
Dec. 2, 2012 at 11:12amTIME: I share your frustration. No, make that anger. These ” Divide the Dumb Conservatives ” types were successful.Now we are faced with Big Brother Obama becoming bolder. Taking on our military. Taking aim at our personal freedoms. Siding with the Arab Spring Revolutionaries. These dumb nuts were all members of the ” Let’s Have A Revolution ” madness that is sweeping the globe. Just what we do NOT need in America today. With Romney in the House, we had a change of reform from within. Now…..
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longknifed
Dec. 2, 2012 at 11:33amI recall that we “terrorists” weren’t needed or wanted from the beginning
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Rc4OJWH1nE
….or at the end
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7NuCGeN2J4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aUI436aF5k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_K7a8RDzvg
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soybomb315_II
Dec. 2, 2012 at 11:33ama reasonable proposal met with anger and close-mindedness. You are the same type of thinking that crucified Jesus and nearly wiped out the native americans
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Dec. 2, 2012 at 11:35amBARBER. These Pukes and Pansies for Paul and Mary Johnson who again enabled Obama… should all be youth-anized for treason THAT’s how angry I am.
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Dec. 2, 2012 at 11:43amLike I wrote SOY… you have no skin in the game. You made your choice for America moving “Forward”. You’re better off hanging with the Obama voters on HuffPo as you have more in common with them…
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barber2
Dec. 2, 2012 at 11:47amTIME: I am with you. And love the bit about ” crucified Jesus” from the anarchist/ atheist crowd and the bit about ” wiping out native Americans” which is such a Lefty brainwashed sign. The Left has been damning Columbus as an evil white, imperialist for years in our classrooms. Such an odd take on what has always been the study of human history: more advanced overcomes less. Now they all want to take us back to the Dark Ages. A very sad, mixed up bunch of brainwashed kids. Obama plants. His Far Left.
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soybomb315_II
Dec. 2, 2012 at 11:57amBarber
You have repeatedly called me an atheist despite me telling you that i am a God-fearing Christian. You are therefore evil and nasty.
The native americans were largely wiped out post-civil war, not by Columbus. Had you been alive back then, you would have been cheering Sherman as he massacred across the plains. Based on your comment above, you would have also been cheering for Jesus to be crucified – because he did not conform to your worldly view
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Dec. 2, 2012 at 12:04pmBARBER. SOY’s a life long Dem enabler from way back I’m sure of it. I can see him having voted for Clinton, Kerry and Gore until he found his personal Jesus… Ron Paul, then Mary Johnson as a stand in Savior…
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soybomb315_II
Dec. 2, 2012 at 12:08pm@time2
I have also told you many times that i have never voted for a democrat. You guys are evil
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longknifed
Dec. 2, 2012 at 12:08pmIt is obvious that these gargoyles stake absolutely everything they have in guarding their New World Order generator, the federal reserve, as it funds the military adventurism and political/corporate payoffs. Once the shield of “anti-semitism” is lowered, the entire rotten structure crumbles.
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Dec. 2, 2012 at 12:28pmSOY. I reserve the right… not to believe you. Frankly, I never believed anything a Paul acolyte or former acolyte said or say’s.
But hey…. that’s just me… along with MILIONS AND MILLIONS of other Conservatives.
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longknifed
Dec. 2, 2012 at 12:31pmI’m pretty sure that neocons have more in common with progressives – new deal, war on poverty, nafta, gatt, UN, NATO, on and on and neocon and on
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longknifed
Dec. 2, 2012 at 12:37pmhanukkah came early this year because not only was the Tea Party hijacked by neocon terrorists and crashed into the Boston Harbor, but Ron Paul was also railroaded by the federal reservist political Pinkertons.
So put on that fedora and light that pentagram or whatever the hell you people do.
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barber2
Dec. 2, 2012 at 1:04pmSOY: You are full of beans and Lefty-isms . I don’t buy one word of what you say. All Smoke and Mirrors. All 99% Big Lies. I read all of the anti-military, neocon, plutocrat, oligarch baloney in the NYT during 2008 by the I Hate Bush / Military / Capitalism Crowd. Don’t buy any of it anymore than I buy Obama’s international , anti-capitalism, Far Lefty-isms . All part of the anti-American values crowd.
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resme
Dec. 2, 2012 at 11:38pm” I read all of the anti-military, neocon, plutocrat, oligarch baloney in the NYT during 2008 by the I Hate Bush / Military / Capitalism Crowd”
Lulz, We have capitalism now? It’s borderline plutocracy. I’d love to see free-market capitalism. We had a brief experience with the internet that’s disappearing soon. You know, The internet is a “national security” risk, lol.
“Some men think the Earth is round, others think it flat; it is a matter capable of question. But, if it is flat, will the King’s command make it round? And, if it is round, will the King’s command flatten it?”
Now hurl the insults like you always do.
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Mil-Dot
Dec. 2, 2012 at 10:39amThey have no intention of cutting anything, EVER. They will continue to take and spend and squander and pander until the very bitter end. Then, they will get on planes with their families and fly off to some undisclosed location, leaving the rest of us here with OUR families to fight it out to the death. That is their plan. There is no “fiscal cliff”. It is all a brainwashing ruse to justify them borrowing another trillion or two from China and sticking our kids and grandkids with the bill. It is a fricking joke. And our military and LEOs are just going to sit by and watch it happen.
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progressiveslayer
Dec. 2, 2012 at 10:49amYou’re right about most of it but this thing will be global and nobody’s escaping anywhere not even the politicians.The POS fraud president will be insulated that’s for sure but your congressmen and senators will be screwed along with the rest of us. Every country is connected financially and when one goes they all go,I give it two years max before this house of cards collapses,then it’s every man for himself .
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Gary_K
Dec. 2, 2012 at 10:54amOur kids, grand kids, great grand kids, great great grand kids ….for the next several hundred years.
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cloudsofwar
Dec. 2, 2012 at 10:57am@ progress….. i think your right every nation for itself. that will lead to a new world war. just what the progressives want.
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progressiveslayer
Dec. 2, 2012 at 11:34am@cloudsofwar Yes that’s exactly what the left wants they always start wars,bunch of evil rotten pigs.
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Tigress1
Dec. 2, 2012 at 10:38amThe Democrats want to “raise revenue” so they can spend more, not pay down the debt. However, if we are stupid enough to fall for their bull about paying down the debt, how about creating a “global lottery”? This way, the “revenue” coming in would be strictly voluntary and we might get back some of the money that we foolishly gave to other countries.
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TheEndIsComing
Dec. 2, 2012 at 10:35amThe Demoncraps want the financial cliff to happen. They get higher taxes back, defense cuts…and by the way, you peons who rely on government entitlements will get cut too. Do the Regressives care, NO! You people who think Obama cares about you are just ignorant pawns that the Demoncraps will step on to get what they want.
People who see what is coming are getting ready for REALLY tough times. Those that are focused on “now” are going to get stuck in the evil cities and will suffer terribly when the food runs out. Ever consider how many days of food are in your grocery store? About 3. Do you think there is a warehouse behind those swinging doors by the produce department? No! What’s in the store is all there is. When it’s gone, you’re out of luck.
Get out into the country where you can raise your own food to feed your family. Laugh at me or ignore me at your own peril. The end is coming.
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Tigress1
Dec. 2, 2012 at 10:34amBlah, blah, blah. Here we go again. The Republicans go through a series of gyrations and posturing, trying to act tough, but then on or near the last day (a Friday afternoon) they cave and we get screwed.
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TheEndIsComing
Dec. 2, 2012 at 10:41amTrue, that’s why we are where we are. It is the SOP of the Republican’ts. And GOP leadership is weak right now.
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gb123
Dec. 2, 2012 at 8:29pmThey bribed Mr B with some orange paint. He also does not like it when someone mentions Israel or the Muslim Brotherhood. Bachman did it and got verbaged. Glenn Beck with Restoring Courage got it when B strong armed the Republicans that wanted to show support by going to Israel.(btw did you notice only Herman Cain had the guts to stand up and go regardless. ). I trust him as far as I can throw the state of Ohio.
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noslave
Dec. 2, 2012 at 10:33amits an unlimited money grab?TAKE AS MUCH AS YOU CAN THROUGH TAX HIKES?in return you want unlimited spending,no congressional restrictions??raise debt ceiling as over-spending continues??be able to borrow unlimited?like rioting looters handing out your goods to their friends,while we watch?? WHAT ARE YOU SMOKEING OBAMA??maybe in chicago they get away with that? hopefully theirs still some american patriots that havent been castrated by political correctness??
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DougHuffman
Dec. 2, 2012 at 10:32amTake the pill now, bitter though it may be. Better now than as a Chinese suppository (a sodomite’s soupcon) at the point of Obama’s troops’ bayonet-sword-pen is (another!).
Good people ought to be armed as they will, with wits and Guns and the Truth. God Bless Bitter Clingers, damn progressives.
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EqualJustice
Dec. 2, 2012 at 10:29amDemocrats are only saying ‘TAX RATE INCREASES on the wealthy.’ That’s all they have to say, since the class war they started seems to have worked. Republicans need to remind people that the Democrats want increased revenue from ALL of us and they are already getting it, due to Obamacare. They are not going to put ANY of that added revenue toward the deficit, they are just going to SPEND it. TELL PEOPLE THAT and why is OUR message not getting out there?
A compromise means Obama and the Democrats must first CUT all the spending, waste and fraud! How can people want to work harder to GIVE them more money to just blow? Makes no sense if they understand what is actually going on here. Obama wants the Bush era tax rates to expire, so rates will automatically go up and cuts he want to military will happen. Of course he is not going to bargain in good faith since he can then BLAME THE REPUBLICANS again.
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Mil-Dot
Dec. 2, 2012 at 11:00amAny business man or woman that hires a prog is welcoming national suicide. Don’t let them prosper and multiply. Let them attrit. Do whatever you can surrepticiously (that means secretly for you dumb asses) to discover the political loyalties of job applicants. If they are progs, or you even SUSPECT them of being progs, pass them over. Some indicators-young white women, minorities, homosexuals, immigrants. Make them hurt. Make them go out and steal for their sustinance and get shot doing so. Ruin their families and livihoods like the leeches are doing to our families.
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ThePostman
Dec. 2, 2012 at 10:27amI think the Republicans should counter Obama’s offer. I think the federal debt limit should be increased to 10 times infinity. Infinity is simply not enough for a successful society such as ours. Why limit our dreams with such artificial barriers? Taxes should not be raised 1.6T$, that is thinking small, they should be AT LEAST 1600T$ more, instead. The GOP should propose a much larger government. NASA should be given a blank check on that unlimited budget. We can achieve Warp 10 before the end of the decade if we set our minds to it. The DoD should be given a blank check. We must stop North Korea, at any cost. Social Security and Medicare should get 10 times more money, and Obamacare should be fully funded and everyone should get it for free. You hate seniors and the poor if you do not agree with me. And you are a racist. The FDA should be given any money they want and should be mandated to cure all diseases within 10 years and increase the life expectancy to infinity. A centralized government super-union should cover all employees in every sector, replacing the weak unions we currently have today. They should strike until their wage demands are met. Let’s go all-in, America. We are Americans, we can do it!
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cosmic dogma
Dec. 2, 2012 at 1:05pmYou should run for PRESIDENT!!!!!
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TheEndIsComing
Dec. 2, 2012 at 10:24amFat chance! The end is coming. Get out of the cities – get self sufficient. Bad times are coming.
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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Dec. 2, 2012 at 11:38amSome of us have no means for getting out of the cities, which is why many of us here have been preparing to the best we can.
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Gregb
Dec. 2, 2012 at 12:59pmThe House of Representatives has more power than they realize. They can stop taxes… does this “stopping taxes” bring to mind anything? They have the power to stop taxes (obamacare) and they should not cave to pressure to raise taxes…
Write to your legislature and tell him/her to vot against any tax increase and to stop the obamacare taxes!!!
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Eastinfection
Dec. 2, 2012 at 10:23amNothing else has worked in either case- so i propose a swap, of sorts….
Let the NHL and the NHLPA solve the “fiscal cliff”……
Have the Senate and House settle the NHL Lockout…..
Couldn’t be less productive than the way things already are in either conflict.
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progressiveslayer
Dec. 2, 2012 at 10:42amTwo months and still no Red wings hockey! This is outrageous! I want my Red wings hockey and I want it now. On a serious note I think the Marxist POS wants taxmageddon because there’s nothing like confiscatory taxes to send the Marxist heathen into an orgasm. it won’t help the economy in any way in fact it’ll be destructive but it’ll appease his uneducated simpleton base.
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Eastinfection
Dec. 2, 2012 at 11:06amHey SLAYER
I’m missing hockey dearly right now… i’ve resorted to watching an unhealthy amount of European Soccer to fill the void.
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progressiveslayer
Dec. 2, 2012 at 11:22amAny amount of European Soccer is unhealthy! lol just giving you a hard time. ;) So who’s your team there EAST so I can give you a hard time if and when the season starts?
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Eastinfection
Dec. 2, 2012 at 11:41amI was a Hartford Whalers fan and coincidentally moved to Raleigh the same year the Whalers became the Hurricanes. The funny thing is that our owner, Peter Karmanos, is a lifelong RedWings season ticket holder (still is)… and Rutherford is our GM.. which is why we end up signing a bunch of your “has been” and “never was” 4th line guys and expect them to skate with Eric Staal.
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progressiveslayer
Dec. 2, 2012 at 11:55amYeah they did take a few of them,you got Fedorov years ago when he still had some hockey left in him.
He was a great player for the wings and I hated to see him go but a contracts a contract. The fools booed him every time he touched the puck,childish really. Rutherford was a great GM for us and got us some great players,maybe he can do the same for the canes.
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Proverbs17-12NLT
Dec. 2, 2012 at 10:23amRepublicans just vote ‘Present’ It’s the Obama economy now.
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justangry
Dec. 2, 2012 at 10:19amWell quit trying to deal with socialists. Just shut down the fed. It’s a worthless entity of parasites anyway.
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Dec. 2, 2012 at 10:53am“Well quit trying to deal with socialists..”
Did you vote for Romney? If you didn’t (of course you didn’t)… you are part of the problem… not the solution. You folks got what you wanted, so stop offering up any solutions and making demands on your elected President. He used you and now he has no time for you and your useful idiocy. You’re irrelevant… useless as teets on a boar. You had a better chance getting what you wanted with a CEO and a Republican in office. You’re stuck with WHO and WHAT you enabled… as are we.
Difference between those who voted for Romney and those who didn’t? We had skin in the game…
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soybomb315_II
Dec. 2, 2012 at 10:58amTime2
You sound like a union thug
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Dec. 2, 2012 at 11:05amSOY. I’m a thug for America. By you voting for Mary Johnson and enabling Obama (again)… you’re closer to being “union” thug than I am slick. Display your “union” label proudly SOY… you got what you enabled…
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Fubared
Dec. 2, 2012 at 11:39amThanks Time. Would have hoped by now they would all be in Colorado and stoned into silence. Blather from angry is teats on a boar. Tofu is just that, bean curd. They can’t even be honest and accept Paul’s Johnson zero numbers as their own doing. Aligned with the lefties for some sophomoric reasons and now want a voice on everything they enabled. Wankers.
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soybomb315_II
Dec. 2, 2012 at 11:41amTime2
explain to me how gary johnson got enough votes to swing the election. Your math sucks
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longknifed
Dec. 2, 2012 at 11:47amAnytime we tried to point out the fed, Michael Savage, Mark Levin, Rush Limbaugh and David Horowitz said that “banker = Jew,” admitting that the neocon stratosphere centers around the federal reserve because it funds the New World Order and its military adventurism.
http://mediamatters.org/video/2010/01/20/rush-many-people-on-wall-street-are-jewish-so-i/159320
http://www.newsrealblog.com/2011/02/17/ron-paul-is-a-vicious-anti-semite-and-anti-american-and-conservatives-need-to-wash-their-hands-of-him/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEfUz-2qaIE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi19kEYcZqY
This “never again” infrastructure has to stay entirely in place or else the entire FoxNews-Talk Radio-Likud-JP Morgan empire will crumble because it is standing on a rotting foundation. These neocon gargoyles guard the gates of this generator by lashing out at anybody that approaches it. They stake everything in protecting this foreign entity that is the Federal Reserve because they know when its relevance collapses, theirs will too.
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Dec. 2, 2012 at 11:56amMy math is just fine SOY. I know of one (1) disingenuous and admitted Gary Johnson voter right here bantering with BS and deflection. That’s all the math I need to know regarding you… Obama enabler…
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longknifed
Dec. 2, 2012 at 11:57amgotta love the censorship of the blaze. When their ponies are losing with their voracious yet vociferous didactic, big brother Beck answers the call. I guess the “truth” only lives here when the political climate is opportune.
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soybomb315_II
Dec. 2, 2012 at 12:07pmTime2
I’ll help you out….The answer is – NOT A SINGLE STATE. Thats right, if all gary johnson voters voted for Mitt Romney – Romney would not have won a single extra state. Florida was the closest state…Romney lost by 70,000. Gary Johnson only got 45,000
http://www.politico.com/2012-election/map/#/President/2012/
Of course, why do facts matter when you can rely on your biased mysticism. You spread lies and disinformation every time you come to this website.
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justangry
Dec. 2, 2012 at 12:10pmYeah, because voting for global a fascist/socialist hybrid is a great alternative to voting for a global socialist/fascist hybrid.
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truthnstuff
Dec. 2, 2012 at 12:14pmSoy, don’t show your ignorance by eluding to the popular vote. 0bama won by only 1 – 3 hundred thousand votes in the swing states that would, most likely, have tipped the election. Of course that assumes that the fraud would have also been countered by those votes.
Also how much insanity by you Paulbots would not have had an impact on the (on the fence Repubes) if they had not been emboldened by your stupidity. Most of us who were not Romney fans pushed hard for his election because we knew what 0bama was. You hindered not helped. Holding your nose walking through the field is far better than diving into the horse sh$$ head first.
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longknifed
Dec. 2, 2012 at 12:24pmoh gawd, give it a rest already with your “enabling” (obvious reference to Hitler’s enabling act). You call us “retreads” even though we all have different styles and satire, unlike you stale ales.. Libertarians are the only interesting people on here because at least we are real. You mock everything about us. You “christians” mock those of us who have struggled with faith, by lording over us with your “holy grail” that you have found but we haven’t, even though you are only believing what your parents told you to believe, having not actually found anything at all. I know your type real well.
Btw, Beck has claimed over and over that he is LIBERTARIAN. so we have just as much a right to be here as you.
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Dec. 2, 2012 at 12:39pmLONG. You are the only “retread’ I am refering to. Just you kid. You get what enabled… “Hitler or Obama.” Just a fact Mr “Interesting”…
I can see you as a prop for A Dos Equis Beer commercial now… an empty bar stool next to the “World’s Most Interesting Man.” LMAO !
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soybomb315_II
Dec. 2, 2012 at 12:46pm@Truth
You are talking about stupidity and a Romney candicacy….That is an oxymoron
If you read my post, i was clearly not talking about the popular vote. Dont throw your hat in with Time2 unless you are rotten to the core.
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longknifed
Dec. 2, 2012 at 12:54pmredirected
Gotta love neocons. They just love personal attacks, as they sip Kahlua from their South Florida nursing homes and yell at the cuban changing their colostomy bags.
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Dec. 2, 2012 at 1:00pmSOY. Hmmmm SOY… “rotten to the core?” Fact is SOY… I don’t suffer fools gladly and I see you as a fool. If that’s “rotten to the core”… so be it.
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longknifed
Dec. 2, 2012 at 1:01pmI wasn’t referring to myself, but others. Only your ilk pat themselves on the back after what you have done to this country. soy, just, tech, ashes, silly, kidcharlemagne and many others are far more interesting than your snowbird brand. Libertarians are risk takers, unlike fleeting neocons who flee from hardship when times get tough – new england when the weather gets cold and the democrat party when it lets in a few arabists.
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truthnstuff
Dec. 2, 2012 at 1:05pmlongknifed, it is a fact that the stateists enable the stupid, “useful idiots”. As far as “christians”, don’t paint people with an ideological brush that you make up to use as a straw man. I was a “christian” until I researched the facts and history for myself. I have no problem with people believing what they want as long as does not interfere with my rights and personal beliefs. And, I can certainly agree with the :christian” view, even though I disagree with their doctrine. You claim on Beck is also false. Yes a libertarian, but, smart enough to support Romney.
You want to keep voting for those who have NO possibility of winning that’s you right, but, your stupidity affects the rest of us and the future of our children and no amount of “I stuck to the right course” is going to change the fact that you helped elect the Marxist/destroyer. Working to change the system is better than destroying it.
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Dec. 2, 2012 at 1:07pm“Gotta love neocons. They just love personal attacks, as they sip Kahlua from their South Florida nursing homes and yell at the cuban changing their colostomy bags.”
‘Neo-Con”…. Code word… JEW. Hmmmmmmm… ?
Gotta’ love the Jew haters here who pretend to be Conservatives…
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barber2
Dec. 2, 2012 at 1:28pmTIME: Think ” neocon” is their code word for ” evil, rich, capitalist”….which is the new ” jew” to the international Left ! Just like Hitler’s National Socialists. Their scapegoat for ALL of the world’s problems. Part of why they hate America . They hate capitalism and the entire international Left , including the Obama Far Lefties, are trying to wipe out capitalism. It’s their bond with the Arab Spring ” revolutionaries”…for now…
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Dec. 2, 2012 at 1:47pmBARBER. I get your drift brother… but the Ron Paul r3volution’s alledged Liberal-tarians have a slighly different take on the “Neo-Con” Code and other “read-between-the-line”-descriptions. These folks tend to be just as (or more) vile than those on the left where Jews are concerned both here and in Israel.
BUT…. they DO meet their brothers and sisters on the left in this area happily and most other’s on a regular basis… except where their pocketbooks are concerned. That’s pretty much the only divide.
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barber2
Dec. 2, 2012 at 2:48pmTIME: Thanks. Guess I do not understand these guys. Always figured they were Lefty anarchists . They seem to hate the military, the wealthy, (” plutocrats ” / “oligarchs “) and the government in general. Anarchists ? They also always seem to be egging on a revolution – i.e., dividing the Republicans to assure an Obama win which will hasten a revolution ? Thus, are they with the Obama OWS, over-throw capitalism/ martial law crowd or are they just your standard resolution loving / government hating anarchists ? What do you think ? You seem to be better versed in their ” culture .”
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soybomb315_II
Dec. 2, 2012 at 2:57pmBarber
You are paranoia is out of control
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soybomb315_II
Dec. 2, 2012 at 2:57pm*your*
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circleDwagons
Dec. 2, 2012 at 3:04pmTime, if you want to call anyone fool you should look at yourself. You agreed with the romney gang that Paul supporters where neither wanted or needed. Quit blaming others for your failings. My Freedom and Peace comes from my Lord and Savoir.
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barber2
Dec. 2, 2012 at 4:00pmSoy: so trying to figure out what the heck motivates you guys is considered paranoia ? Have a feeling “impossible” and ” fruitless ” might better describe it.
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soybomb315_II
Dec. 2, 2012 at 5:18pmBarber
We have told you so many times in the past but you refuse to hear or understand. That makes you insane in addition to paranoid
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barber2
Dec. 2, 2012 at 7:03pmSOY: You haven’t ” explained ” anything. You have just lobbed juvenile insults and demonized the Republican Party. ” Insane and paranoid ” are just the latest examples.
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soybomb315_II
Dec. 2, 2012 at 7:09pm“You have just lobbed juvenile insults”
You are the biggest hypocrite there ever was
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Dec. 2, 2012 at 11:35pmSorry BARBER… left after previous comments for most of the day / evening… hope you get to read this. This is the Ron Paul R3volutionaries in a nutshell.
There are two categories of Ron Paul supporters… the well-meaning folks who appreciated Paul’s rhetoric regarding freedom and limited government (as do we all). The other category of Paul supporters, those who are consciously self-aware in their belief that America is a bad guy Military bully, and needs to sit idly by in an isolationist sense as a matter of foreign policy.
Their foreign policy worldview (courtesy of Paul) is not merely one of having opposed U.S. intervention in Iraq and Afghanistan… they believe that America is the provocateur in global activity. Their worldview would never allow America to properly defend herself.
Paul’s platform (echoed by his parrots) promoted a “blame America first” foreign policy that was so important to Paul himself, that he wouldn’t jeopardize his credibility by publicly saying in the national media that he believed “Abraham Lincoln was a warmonger”, or that “the cold war was a figment of our imaginations”. He believed that America is a malignant “dictatorship”, yet somehow this knothead was accepted into the mainstream of American politics.
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justangry
Dec. 3, 2012 at 9:08amBarber, We want freedom, an originalist interpretation of the Constitution, a small fiscally responsible federal government dedicated to our sovereignty and sound money, with no empire building.
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