Pennsylvania Republican Lawmaker Announces He Is Gay — Becomes First Openly Gay State Rep.

Pennsylvania State Rep. Mike Fleck
Pennsylvania Republican State Rep. Mike Fleck has announced he is gay, making him the first openly gay member of the state legislature.
Fleck, who describes himself as a conservative Christian and recently divorced his wife of nearly a decade, made the disclosure in an interview with the Huntington Daily News published Saturday.
“Coming out is hard enough, but doing it in the public eye is definitely something I never anticipated,” the three-term central Pennsylvania lawmaker said. “Iβm still the exact same person and Iβm still a Republican and, most importantly, Iβm still a person of faith trying to live life as a servant of God and the public. The only difference now is that I will also be doing so as honestly as I know how.”
He told the Altoona Mirror the announcement was “something I have been working toward for months.”
Fleck, who graduated from Liberty University, founded by evangelical leader Jerry Falwell, said he was raised to believe homosexuality is a choice.
“I wanted to live a βnormalβ life and raise a family,” he said. βI also believed that by marrying, I was fulfilling Godβs will and I thought my same-sex attraction would simply go away.”
A former Eagle Scout and former regional director for the Boy Scouts of America, which bars openly gay members, Fleck said his “livelihood depended on hiding [his] true sexual orientation.”
He said he’s met many gay Christians who have “tried hard to change their God-given sexual orientation,” but none who have been successful.
“Theyβve only succeeded at repressing their identity, only to have it reappear time and time again and always wreaking havoc not only on themselves, but especially on their family,” Fleck said.
Brian Sims, a Democrat elected to the state House in November, was expected to become Pennsylvania’s first openly gay lawmaker when he is sworn in in January, but will now be the second.
Fleck said he doesn’t foresee anything about his politics changing with his announcement.
“I donβt see anything changing in my life, I donβt see my voting pattern changing,” he said. “I just want to do my very best for the 81st district. Iβm just trying to be authentic and I do owe it to my constituency to do that.”
Steve Miskin, a spokesman for state House Republican leaders, told the Philadelphia Inquirer that Fleck’s announcement didn’t change anything in their eyes and that the caucus was “proud to have him as a member.”
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Comments (418)
krayhayft
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:06amWow, people. As I read these posts you guys make me sick. Thanks for proving the left right about you’re hatred towards gays. What he does in the bedroom with whomever isn’t our concern, if you’re religious then you should know that it’s between him and God, not between him and you. As for him being a politician, I can see why he didn’t come out of the closet till after, people like you guys wouldn’t vote for him because who he screws is more important then what his politics are. That’s what it really comes down to. What are is politics? If he is in his heart a conservative and loves America and the Constitution then we welcome him in with open arms. Oh, and for all those loving Christians out there, let me remind you…
Mathew 7
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.
6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
It’s not your place to judge
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Pantloadian
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:17amJudging . . . that’s all they do. No interest in contributing to society,only whining about others in it. Children.
Jezreel
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:18amYou are taking God’s name in vain by using the word of God out of context to suit and fit your own thinking. Judgement start first at the house of God and at us and if see a brother that is overtaken in sin, then, we who are spiritual are to restore him. If he is in sin and will not repent, then, you are to disfellowship him and treat him as an infidel and unbeliever because their actions is that of an unbeliever.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
New International Version (NIV)
9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
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ZAP
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:20amYou wonder why government does not work as you elect perverts to govern you. GOD gave us the ability to judge between right and wrong.You are interpreting the bible total wrong….
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db321
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:28amAnd let’s not leave out “If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.” Saith the Lord!
Mike Fleck can do what every he wants in his personal life, but as far as I am concern he lied to his constituents in Pennsylvania. If I was a voter in that State, I would never vote for him again knowing what I now know about him. I’m not ever voting for any anyone to speak for me that has openly and publicly spit in the face of God.
Your Correct – I never voted for Obama. God made me a much better deal when I die!
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booger71
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:33amI am not judging him, that is up to God, but he does have a responsibility to those people who voted for him to tell the truth before the election.
glegakis
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:45amThen the U.S. government should eliminate the judiciary branch, right?
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4truth2all
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 11:01amYo Krayhayft:
The christian community is to be self policing… “as iron sharpens iron so one man sharpens another” … so if someone says they are a follower of Christ ( as this man does) but who’s actions and words contradict, we are to confront that person in the hope of repentance. We are not judging his eternal soul. Not only that He is misrepresenting Christ, so we defend Christ as any good ambassador would.
Yes, we are to concern ourselves with ourselves first … and when we are “right” then we are right to speak. … Good day
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rjtrucker
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 11:27amAmen Brother.
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Triple7
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 11:59amIf its no big deal then why the need to tell his sexual preferences?
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fedup ohio
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 12:06pmThe scriptures you write are some of the most misunderstood and interpreted scripture in the Bible. Yes, we ALL judge others. We are commanded to do so, (shun evil, etc…., you have to judge what evil is to shun it.) And as far as judging, bring it on, I’m not perfect by far, but I’m not afraid to be judged by anyone. Those scriptures are aim at mostly hypocrites and liars in the Christian community, which are plentiful. And the only judgement that counts is God’s judgement, which is between me and my maker..
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19RANDY59
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 12:52pmWe’re not judging his soul to death. That is for the Lord to do. I am using spiritual discernment to condemn him in this life. The same way, you would ( I hope ) choose not to hang around with murderers, or thieves. Which is hard to do these days, since they now make up the majority. Yes, OBH supporters, that’s what I think you are.
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sojo81007
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 12:54pmIt’s not our place to judge based on our own standard, however we MUST judge others according to God’s Word: “Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?” (I Corinthians 6:2). The “don’t judge” philosophy is not only a cop-out, but also not Scriptural in the least. “By their fruits ye shall know them.”
Rep. Fleck is living in direct violation to God’s word. The fruits of his life show that he has betrayed his wife, his community, and his constituents. This is not representative of the good folks of Huntingdon County. We will oppose him as we would anyone else who had a moral failure. He is not the example we want our young people to follow – he is not our true representative. He will be replaced. He certainly has a right to live whatever lifestyle he chooses, but we also have the right to replace him with someone of morals and integrity. And we will.
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DeathRattle
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 1:33pm@KRAYHAY and PANTLOAD
I love it when people that call the bible and it’s followers evil and then they to use scripture to fit what they want it to mean. But then it is okay to use it only when it fits right?
God did not put me here to judge, He will judge, but he also did not put me here to stay silent on issues involving the souls I am here to win for Him. This Rep. has chosen to follow his flesh and not the word of God, I would not be a Christian brother to him or anyone who might follow his lead and become lost.
If you are going to quote scripture than you best be living by it, learning from a BIBLE TEACHING CHURCH, not just using what you think fits the situation. This country has lost its collective soul thanks to generations of issues like homosexuality being forced down our throats.
True Christianity has been very good to this country, as we see the shift from Christian values to secular beliefs, we also see this once great country falling apart, America right now is on life support.
What do you think will happen when Islam comes to this country to rule? If you think Christianity is hard on homosexuality, wait to see what happens then.
Time to stop living for your next orgasm and how it comes and start putting God first. The little voice all these LGBT’s hear in their heads, unless their hearts are hardened, is God asking them to turn from sin and seek His face, Getting man to accept it will not make it go away.
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valiant1776
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 2:05pmI wouldn’t vote for a drunkard, adulterer, fornicator, thief, murderer, sodomite, etc. We as Citizens have a right and duty to vote for those who honor God, and show virtue.
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smead60
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 2:13pmI don’t think it is as easy as all of this. A born again Christian WILL turn from evil ways and the bible makes clear sex with same sex IS evil, man or woman. I would think the right thing is to get yourself prayed over. IF God doesn’t heal you from these desires, then it is probably his “thorn in the flesh”. There ARE ways to live outside of expressing yourself sexually with another, especially if it is sin. I think people are born with these desires, do NOT CHOOSE to be gay, but after becoming aware of it often do not have the spiritual guidance to go down the best path for them. The bible clearly abhors sexual sin, as well as many other sins, and it is our duty to live within God’s will as best we can from day to day. Someone is NOT a pervert for having these feelings, what becomes perversion is acting on them. Also, condoning someone acting on gay feelings should not be accepted as OK in our society. That is, IF we use God and the bible as our moral compass, which I choose to do. Just because someone is born without any aberrant sexual desires does not mean another is free from them. We should be most aware and sympathetic to our brothers and sisters who are and help them as led to do. Again, that does NOT include condoning sin. Judging is not judging if your comment is based on God’s word; what is judging is deciding for yourself what part of the bible is sin and which is not and quoting your version to “prove” your point.
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jrc99
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 2:13pmOh here we go again another non-Christian using Matthew 7 to excuse their or others sin. Here the thing Kray there is a HUGE difference between judging and call people out on their sin. Homosexuality is a sin. It’s an abomination on the Law of Nature and Nature’s God.
Sad enough that Fleck committed a sin by divorcing his wife but to add on top of that homosexuality and lying to his voters.
If you want quotes from the Bible try this:
“Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creatorβwho is forever praised. Amen.
Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.”
Romans 1:24-27 (NIV)
You want to live up to Matthew 7? Fine, start with yourself!
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valiant1776
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 2:24pm“Itβs not your place to judge ”
Wrong. The Bible says, “First cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brotherβs eye.”
“Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.”
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Marine25
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 2:36pm@deathrattle
1. Where does Jesus of Nazereth condemn homosexuals? Chapter and verse please.
2. I think America has been very good to Christianity, the largest tax-exeptions in our nations history.
Christianity has given what to America? Slavery? Terrorists like the klan and clinic bombers? Koresh and McVeigh? pedophilia and bigotry?
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The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 2:43pm@PANTLOADIAN / WANGO / HORSEDANCER / TROLL
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/why_are_christians_judgmental.html
If you can read, try to make it past the first paragraph before exiting out of the tab. I dare you.
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Fubared
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 2:53pm25
You dismiss black lib theology? Por que? Marine my ass.
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DeathRattle
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 2:54pm@MARINE25
did Jesus ever say anything in the four Gospels that would condemn the homosexual lifestyle or homosexual marriage?
As it turns out, yes, He did. As a matter of fact, He spoke very clearly and directly about the issue. Let me begin with Matthew 19:4. Here Jesus is answering a question from the Pharisees regarding divorce. However, his answer is very telling concerning the entire issue of sexuality, the purpose of sexuality, marriage and the proper form of marriage. Here are the words of Jesus:
βAnd He answered and said to them, βHave you not read that He who made them at the beginning βmade them male and female,β and said, βFor this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one fleshβ?ββ (Matthew 19:4)
Here Jesus upholds creation, male and female sexual relationships (in marriage), male and female marriage, procreation as a part of male and female marriage, and the sanctity of male and female marriage and sexual relationships. His answer is a blanket ignoring (thus condemnation as perversion) of anything outside Godβs standard for sexuality and marriage. This truth cannot be legitimately explained away.
But, Jesus gets even more direct concerning the issue of homosexuality. In John 5:46-47, Jesus tells his detractors that unless one holds to the writings of Moses (the first five books of the Bible), one cannot fully know or understand truth or Jesus Himself.
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valiant1776
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 2:55pm@Marine25 You are hugely mistaken. You are very wrong.
“Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.”
“Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.”
Abolitionism was followed by the religious movement of the Second Great Awakening, which advocated for emancipation on religious grounds.
The KKK was started by Democrats. Pedophilia is mostly committed by grown men on boys. That’s sodomy, homosexuality, which again, the Democrats promote.
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DeathRattle
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 2:56pm@MARINE25 cont.
But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?β (John 5:46-47) Of course, in the first five books of the Bible we read of the days of Noah and Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis) and the blanket condemnation of homosexuality as perversion (Leviticus). Oh well, so much for throwing out the Old Testament to legitimize homosexuality. But wait β Jesus gets even more direct with the matter.
Jesus also spoke of the destruction of the Sodomite (openly celebrating homosexuality) cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. (Luke 17:28-32; Matthew 10:15; 11:24; Mark 6:11.) The presenting sin that brought about the destruction of those cultures was homosexuality. Consider these words found in the book of Jude:
βEven as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.β (Jude 1:7-8)
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DeathRattle
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 2:57pm@MARINE25 cont.-end
Three of the four gospels contain quotes from Jesus about the sinful condition of Sodom and Gomorrah and the destruction that the celebration of the presenting sin of homosexuality wrought upon them. One of those quotes equates the sins of Sodom (homosexuality) to the same type of pervasive perversion of Noahβs day (Luke 17:26-30). So, as it turns out β¦ YES, Jesus did speak rather forthrightly, and often, about the sin of homosexuality and the judgment that it brings upon societies that celebrate it.
But, most important to the issue is the matter of the person of Jesus. Who is He? Well, He claimed to be God with us. The Scriptures claim that He is God with us (Matthew 1:24). Even his enemies knew that Jesus was making this claim (John 10:33). So, if Jesus is βGod with us,β then we have to ask, βDoes God condemn homosexuality?β The answer is obvious. From Genesis to Revelation, Godβs Word, homosexuality is condemned as perversion and a certain sign that Godβs judgment is on the way to the culture that openly celebrates it as βnormal.β
That pretty much answers your question.
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Katielee
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 3:14pmYou took the words out of my mouth. Agree whole-heartedly.
Good for Rep Fleck. And I would say the majority of Independents, Moderates, and non extremist Conservatives
We may be judged for acceptance, but many of you will also be judged for your mean spiritedness. If Christ stood in front of you as you spew, what do you think He would say?
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mrfancypants
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 3:29pmDont stop there with your picking Scripture out of context. Read all of Matthew 7, where it absolutely tells Christians to judge. Cast not your pearl before swine, beware of false prophets. This man is not a Christian, he is a false convert. His faith is humanism! God hates homosexuality. No homosexual will enter the kingdom of God, 1 Corinthians 6. Twist not Scripture, lest thou be like satan!
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For my Liberty!
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 3:43pm*lol* You can get off your soap box now.
Actually, I wouldn’t vote for him because he is claiming to be BOTH gay, and a Christian…..ONE of those is a lie, this he is a liar–like MOST Politicians. (shoot, being a Politician is enough to send you to hell) Not to mention that he has hidden who he is and what he believes in. THAT is what is wrong.
A Christian knows that it is a sin for a man to sleep with another man. Actually, pretty sure that the punishment for it is stoning. Regardless, if he was REALLY a Christian, he would know that his lifestyle is a sin, and fear judgment day. His statement means he is either lying or does not understand what he is doing is wrong…..which means he isn’t a God Fearing Christian.
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valiant1776
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 3:55pm@Katielee, The problem with people is not necessarily that he is gay, but that he will probably pass laws condoning or making legal the marriage of two men. And even if he does not do that, his public voicing, as a public representative, of his perverted sexual behavior behind closed doors is an assault and offense to many Citizens, especially to those of a Christian faith, who believe it is unacceptable and inappropriate. No one wants to hear what their representatives do sexually in the bedroom, much less, hear them spout about it so proudly and openly. Last time I checked, my representative in my district has never come out saying he has oral sex with his wife, and that this behavior defines and shapes his life. No one would vote for him again, regardless of party affiliation. We would not vote for someone of such a character, just as we would not vote for a vocally proud drunkard, fornicator, adulterer, or con artist. Homosexuals do not get a pass or exemption from public scrutiny or accountability. As an honest Citizen, I demand integrity, virtue and godly servants.
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encinom
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 4:01pmWhy would anyone come out and claim to be a Christian? From what I see day in and day out Christians are hate filled bigots using the bible to bash fellow Americans and make their own petty lives seem important.
America is turning her back on Christians because of the self-rightous attitudes being displayed here.
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valiant1776
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 4:28pm@Encinom Why should anyone care what you’ve got to say? I’m sure you only accept what MSNBC has to say. You listen to them as if it were gospel. You are as bias as the folks you condemn. You don’t know America, understand America or care to seek the truth. You follow a radical, Marxist agenda, intent on fundamentally transforming America. You leftist tools make me want to proclaim my Christian faith even more proudly. Thanks for the motivation. I can’t in good conscience keep silent any longer while you leftist trolls keep destroying my nation. I will from now on only vote for godly men, those of good faith, who have integrity, have virtue, and that respect the Word of God. I will not compromise, deny, hide or surrender any more. Enough is enough. You are free to stay here and enjoy the freedom, prosperity and blessings God has granted to us, but you will not succeed any longer if you dare destroy our heritage. We will resist you. I want to have peace with my neighbors, but you ignorant leftists keep destroying the religion that promotes unity and love. I will, from now on, only vote for those who live a Christian life. For, as Thomas Jefferson said, “I have always said, I always will say, that the studious perusal of the sacred volume will make better citizens, better fathers, and better husbands… I have little doubt that the whole country will soon be rallied to the unity of our Creator, and, I hope, to the pure doctrines of Jesus also.”
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Independent4233
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 4:40pmkrayhayft
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:06am
“Wow, people. As I read these posts you guys make me sick. Thanks for proving the left right about youβre hatred towards gays.”
If just reading factual data makes you sick, just think how the vast majority of normal people feel when they have to put up with people like you who are mentally ill and engage in perversions.
Hatred of gays? I guess you mean homosexuals.
Well, nature imbeded in every living creature the instinct to pro-create, which is so strong it is second only to the instinct for survival.
Anything in opposition to either of these important traits is responded to with disgust and revulsion. Nobody would consider walking in front of a train, because his instinct for survival will not allow him to do so, just as no one would consider any kind of attempts at pro-creation from an animal or someone of the same sex, because his instinct for perpetuating his species would not allow that either.
“Wowing” isn’t going to fool anybody, nor is pretending that a natural revulsion of homosexuals is only based in hate.
Right now, the flakes, oddballs and misfits on your side are having some success in garnering a bit less opposition to your desires to marry, but it certainly isn’t because they support or like what you do. It’s strictly a matter of allowing the oddballs to do as they wish so long as they don’t get too far out of hand.
We not only don’t want you we want secession.
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georgesgirl
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 4:55pmThank you. I never understood why people are so judgmental and fearful of gay people. The vast majority are not like the “activist” you see on tv. They want to live their lives in peace, find a partner and if possible, raise a family. If it is a sin, then it is between them and God. Most of us will be busy answering for ours, let them answer for theirs. I am glad he waited, it does nothing to diminish what he stands for and those who were inclined to exclude him for his orientation might be pleased to see how he does his job. We need as many gay republicans/libertarians to come out as possible.
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Walkabout
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 5:16pmMarine25
@deathrattle
1. Where does Jesus of Nazereth condemn homosexuals? Chapter and verse please.
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Jesus said that he fulfilled The Law of Moses. In the time of Moses homosexuality was a sin. It still is. When Jesus said let the person without sin cast the 1st stone, he did not say that prostitution was okay. In fact he told the woman to go & sin no more.
What you would do is to not cast the first stone but to go AND SIN MORE!
There is a big difference between scripture & what you are doing or wanting to do.
Be a man. Admit it!
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YourKidding
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 5:49pmHe intentionally kept this from the PA voters, I’m assuming because he knew he wouldn’t get elected. That is deceitful and he blatantly mislead the very people he is supposed to be representing! All US voters have a right to know where a candidate stands on the issues, and I can also only assume he is not in line with what the Republican voters in PA thought they were getting as their voice in their state.
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begreen
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 5:55pm2 Thessalonians 2:11 (KJV) And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
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begreen
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 6:03pm1 Corinthians 6:9-10 – “Do you not know that the wicked will not
inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral
nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor
slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.” (NIV).
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Lt. Hutch
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 6:05pmCouldn’t have said it any better. He’s gay, big deal. He’s a conservative, that’s what matters.
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RIGHT_WHERE_IT_HURTS
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 6:14pmumm…he’s a sandbaggin’ snake-in-the-grass queer LIAR.
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freepr008
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 7:27pmCan somebody please can give the definition of sin? While you are on it, can you categorise the different levels of sins? How each category is judged? Are different sentences for each one? What difference Jesus made about thinking about something sinful and the actual action? What sins can we point out in others and which ones are just not enough worthy of being point? How pointing out particular sins and ignore others made me better Christian?
I have another questions, but somebody can answers this ones?
But please refrain of using words like atheist ( which I’m not) , lefty, socialist, communist, liberal (which I’m not either) or any other reference or epithet that you can made or assume I am? Just answer the questions.
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wherefromhere
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 7:36pmSpeaking for me, I reject you Mr lawmaker and all you stand for. Fool
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Twinspeedr
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 7:42pmJudging means trying to say what is in the heart of another and condemning them for it. No, you should not do that. But calling out blatant violation of God’s will on the part of a self described believer is not judging, it is discernment, and you don’t need much discernment to know that this Christian man who is probably a dandy nice person, lives a lifestyle of unrepentant sin. This is between he and the Creator, but I WILL call a spade a spade here…
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valiant1776
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 7:45pm@freepr008 I’m against sodomy, just as I’m against the rest of the sexual degenerate lifestyles. I wouldn’t vote for a proud whore, proud adulterer or proud drunkard.
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freepr008
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:07pmValiant@- I understand that’s a process of judgement that you made when you decide for which candidate to vote. That’s fine, but you didn’t answer my questions.
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rquic963
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:57pmUnfortunately the Bible commands us to judge, but there is a very specific way to do so.
- John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
Even the reference Krayhayft used commands us to judge, just not in a way that condemns us. Judgment in this case is better referred to as discernment. Why would the Bible tell us that homosexuals are in gross sin and need to repent, and yet you’re saying we should love them and not use God’s Word to confront them with their sin…as we are commanded to do. We need to be people of discernment, something that is greatly lacking in America today.
This politician should be run out on a rail as a liar. He has taken gross advantage of his constituents and they should hold him accountable for it.
No one is born gay, but we are all born sinners…
- Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
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valiant1776
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:32pm@freepr008 I wasn’t trying to answer your questions. My comment was one sentence long. I just stated my somewhat relevant opinion. Obviously, I wasn’t trying to answer all eight questions in one swell swoop, or any at all.
But, I’ll give your questions a shot.
Sin is the transgression of the Law.
Categorizing sins would entitle knowing the different aspects of the Law. There are laws about temple services, priests, tithes, sacrifices, altars, agriculture, animals, courts, officers, judges, money, marriage, children, inheritance, property, employment, services, labor, covenants, traitors, vows or contracts, buildings, foreigners, enemies, borders, land, etc.
Each sin in a category is not judged or interpreted collectively, but individually. The Law also is divided into precepts, statutes, judgements, commandments, and proverbs.
Some statutes have no prescribed penalty or enforcement, but depend on individual discretion and situation. Some sins are dealt with by capital punishment, others through equity, that is fair recompense of what was lost, stolen or broken.
Jesus said that our righteousness must exceed that of the Pharisees. That is, we must not be only hearers of the Law, but doers. We must also keep the spirit of the Law. For the Pharisees, in their attempt to seem more righteous, create burdens outside the Law, and ignore the finer things of the Law, like justice, mercy, peace, unity, love, charity, respect, etc.
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valiant1776
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:34pmWe are to edify one another. We are to personally speak to fellow believers of faults, and persuade them to follow the Lord, in order to be made more perfect in his Image. There are sins which lead to corruption, and must be pointed out with truth, care and love. There are others that lead to death, and must be dealt with accordingly as the situation demands.
As Christians, we can not choose what sins to enforce, and which to ignore. All scripture is given for our benefit. No man is made perfect, and is susceptible to sin. Christ came to free us from the bondage of sin. Jesus brought light, and took us out of darkness. By his grace, through faith, we are saved. And as a new man, we receive his Spirit, which will lead us to all truth.
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Sparky101
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:40pmFreepr008, the best answer to each of your questions is given in the scriptures. Going directly to the source is always to your advantage. If, in your search for true knowledge you have questions, find a bible teaching church and ask the pastor for some help in finding the appropriate chapters to read and meditate on. Please come back and let us know what such an education has done for your soul.
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mlite9
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 11:05pm**** AND claims to be a conservative Christian? Fail.
Also, love the way TheBlaze baits the trolls and sodomites with yet another ‘gay’ story, on almost a daily basis. As if hammering out doctrine and what one thinks about what they think they know here will make one bit of difference. Much wailing and gnashing of teeth.
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BlessedONE333
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 11:15pmI REBUKE YOU PAGAN FOR SATAN BECAUSE YOU SERVE EVIL AND NOT YOUR CREATOR GOD!!!
YOU QUOTE MATTHEW BUT YOU DO NOT KNOW HIM!
Mathew 7
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
THAT SAYS FOR WHAT MEASUREMENTS YOU MEASURE THE SIN OF OTHERS SO IT WILL BE MEASURED TO YOU ALSO – IT DOES NOT SAY DO NOT EVALUATE THE SINS OF OTHERS
stupid pagans – misquoting the bible and ranting about F A G G O T S
1 Corinthians 6:2
Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
I LOVE HOW STUPID PEOPLE WHO CLAIM TO UNDERSTAND GOD ARE SO DUMB TO IGNORE HIS VERY WORDS!!!
DO YOU NOT KNOW THAT THE SAINTS WILL JUDGE THE WORLD? moron!
I rebuke you because you are an offence to GOD whom I serve!!
Matthew 16:23
But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
keep telling the world how great sin is and God will smite you so hard you will wish you had listened to the actual words in the bible!!!
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kitcarker
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 11:55pmI think many people are not necessarily h ate foul of gays, but hateful toward the attitude the radical gay community acts. I do not personally dislike gays, but the radical disrespect shown to what the majority find offensive is just, disrespectful. When 2 or 3 % or the population can raise such nonsense in a society, I think the majority has a right to say shut up. Do what you want, but don’t dictate my morality ,morals and what I deem acceptable.stay in your little world, but don’t run it down our throat
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cologoddess
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 1:53amLove that Thank you for that – I cannot STAND the religious zealots on the right who are the primary reason we keep losing elections! Leviticus was a crazy loon! And yet the only passage the Extreme right loves to spout off on is > In the King James Version, Leviticus 18:22 is translated: “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.”
Why not be as vehemently concerned about:
Baby girls are twice as dirty as baby boys. 12:1-8
Menstruating women are unclean to God. 15:19-30
Don’t look at any naked menstruating women. 18:19
Don’t mix seeds when sowing a field or wear a garment with mixed fibers. 19:19
If you have sex with a slave woman, you must then scourge her. 19:20
Don’t round the corners of your head or mar the corners of your beard. 19:27
Children who curse their parents, adulterers, and homosexuals must be killed. 20:9-12
Woman with “familiar spirits” must be stoned to death. 20:27 (whatever the hell that means)
The unchaste daughters of priests must be burnt to death. 21:9
Handicapped people must not approach the altar. 21:16-23 (one of my personal favorites ugh)
God places a dollar value on human life; women are worth less (50 – 60%) than men. 27:3-7
God’s instructions for buying slaves. 25:45-46
God’s law for wet dreams. 15:16-17, 32
Why don’t all of you bigots care about all of those things Leviticus spoke of? HUH?!
This Congressman is brave and righteous! I Salute him! We need MORE Gay Conservatives and
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TexasKnight
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 2:26amJust wondering.
Re-read your post and explain to me how you are not judging?
You are judging those that judge, showing yourself as an hypocrite.
Read the entire verse. It is not a comandment not to judge, but to be sure you are not even worse.
There are many places in the bible where it tells us to judge and rebuke. Mainly for our leaders, which this gentleman is.
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sillyfreshness
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 2:36amWhy do people want their primary identity to be their sex acts? They want their main identification to be how they get their rocks off. That is a mental illness. It would be like someone wanting their primary identity to be that they are a window peeper. It doesn’t make sense to me why you would want your sex acts to be how people think of you first and foremost.
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kryptonite
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 2:45amHere’s what I find very disheartening: Many Christians on this site defended Dinesh D’Souza, an adulterer who lied and made money off Christians. In a sense, his sin is worse than this guy’s, because D’Souza held a high-profile Christian job.
In the NT, adulterers, the effeminate (catamites) and sodomites are all listed by Paul as individuals who will suffer eternal damnation (1Cor. 6:9-10). True, homosexuality is a perversion of God’s natural order, but adultery is a terrible sin because it undermines God’s social order. So why did so many of you excuse D’Souza’s hypocrisy? Because most Christians here cared more about his movie, i.e., politics, than God’s Word.
Some Christians are still wondering why the Lord allowed Obama to rise and stay in power. Obviously, there is too much corruption in the house of God. Now that God has withdrawn, America will go the way of every other empire in history. We are about to learn how little political affiliation really matters when God does not bless.
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Native54
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 3:29am@krayhayft … How wrong you are. You confuse judging the heart, which is God’s job, to making judgments about ‘BEHAVIOR.” We all make choices, which are “judgments” about “behavior.”
First off, we all make judgments. It’s impossible not to. Everyday choices are judgments. It’s foolish to pretend otherwise. When a person judges, he/she also forms an opinion. But an opinion is not necessarily the same as a judgment. Opinions are often framed by our fears, pride or ignorance. If all we had were human opinions, we might agree with those who say we should never judge. But we have Scripture and God’s laws. DISCERNING judgment is not wrong, nor un-Biblical. DISCERNING MEANS… showing insight and understanding…Exhibiting keen insight and good judgment; perceptive. The wrong kind of judging is condemning. The right kind of judging is properly evaluating moral (or doctrinal) matters with the right kind of spirit.
We should be careful with the “not judging” axiom. There is a rational basis for moral judgment. If we don’t judge, then we can not define the bad. If we can’t do that, then we can not define what is good either. The “don’t judge” me has been popular in recent years but if we trace it back to its roots we find that it comes from post-modernism. Good and evil are determined by judging based on the law, and in our case, the constitution as it applies to social issues. Normative judgments are what tells us the Nazis are morally wrong.
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warloch
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 6:40amLike a typical lying liberal you make false accusations. You falsely accuse people who KNOW that bizarre lifestyles are bizarre as haters. SOOOOO typical. BTW he is lying about trying to overcome his mental disorder in the same way drug addicts, alcoholics and pedophiles who can NEVER be cured refuse LIFE LONG treatment.
“No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.”
“Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.”
John 7:24
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freepr008
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 8:06amValiant@ your screen name really represent you well. Thanks a lot for your sincere answers and your knowledge of the scriptures.
When you have the time there’s two questions remaining:
Question # 5. The point of view of Jesus regarding the difference between thinking and action.
And the last: how pointing out some sins and not choosing to point out others make me a better christian.
Thanks again and God bless you.
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bobad
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 9:05amWe certainly may judge the acts and works of a man. One can not judge his soul, which I will leave up to God.
Liberals should stay out of religion. They simply don’t have the capacity to comprehend it.
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suttonea76
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 9:25amWhy is it so necessary to come out and declare your sexual preference as being gay is not a lifestyle but rather a sexual preference? You cannot be considered gay for any other reason than who you wish to sleep with. With knowing that, I could care less and I wish that those who feel that “courage” is a part to play here would just keep their private life private and stop looking for sympathy and a mediocre courage that resonates with the public as fair weather Americans seem to think coming out is courage. Pick up a weapon and fire back at the enemy, go to a meeting and stand up for Jesus, take responsibility of your own actions in the face of the entitlement society……THAT takes more courage than coming out. Get over yourself!
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Independent4233
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 9:31am“……….he was raised to believe homosexuality is a choice.”
Well, he was raised wrong, because homosexuality is NOT a choiice, it’s a mental illness.
And noi amount of subterfuge, deceit and manipulations to the contrary will prove otherwise.
He needs to go to the shrink to get his head fixed.
However, as with many homosexuals, he could welkl be so far over the edge he’s beyond redemption. Many people afflicted with psychosis are like that and are doomed to live their lives in the darkness of mental illness.
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Independent4233
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 9:34amencinom
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 4:01pm
“Why would anyone come out and claim to be a Christian? From what I see day in and day out Christians are hate filled bigots using the bible to bash fellow Americans and make their own petty lives seem important. ”
Christians aren’t your problem. It is Mother Nature who is your greatest enemy, so if you think you can intimidate and flim flam this generation into accepting your disgusting illness, what are you going to do for the next one who are naturally instilled at birth with a revulsion against sex with animals and those of the same sex?
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memyselfandi
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 10:34amFellow Christiansβ¦
Many excellent responses!!!
I hear stories about so called βChristiansβ coming out and the world including many in the community of faith are not only OK with itβ¦they applauded it. I sometimes feel like Elijah, like Iβm the only person left who reads, understands and believes the Bible. Clearly Iβm notβ¦so many of you have given very good and well thought out responses and I donβt think there is all that much left to say, but how about thisβ¦
responding to freepr008
It seems to me that all sin really isβ¦is selfishness. Jesus demonstrated the exact opposite in that He was self-less even to the point of death. He was always saying that He was here to do the will of the Father, to say and to do only as the Father instructed Him. Not my willβ¦but THY will be done. Sin is the exact opposite of that and perhaps it is rooted in what we think about. The Gay agenda diametrically opposes Christ-like living. It says, NOT thy will be done, but MY will be done. The man said that what he was now doing was being true to HIMSELF. That does not square with 99.9% of NT teachings.
I highly recommend a careful reading of Romans chapters 6 and 8β¦7 deals with the fallacy of religious attitude and SELF righteousness and is directed towards Jewish converts. The theme in all of Paulβs writings is now that we have experienced the new birth, βwe ought to walk in newness of lifeβ (ch 6), and it is the empowerment of the Holy Spirit that enabl
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iampraying4u
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 10:38amI would not shake hands with him
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memyselfandi
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 10:41amThe theme in all of Paulβs writings is now that we have experienced the new birth, βwe ought to walk in newness of lifeβ (ch 6), and it is the empowerment of the Holy Spirit that enables us to do soβ¦(ch 8)
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AvengerK
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 1:08pmMARINE25…in the new testament, Jesus explicitly states that ONLY the union between a man and woman is blessed by God. The book of acts goes on to exlicitly mention homosexuality as a sin against God.
If you want verses I can provide them for you.
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memyselfandi
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 1:19pm@freepr008
Another thingβ¦
I we must understand that Jesus approach to the religious leaders of His day was a continuation of the theme of the book of Malachi which declared that the priesthood had become almost completely corrupt. Before you read the gospels, read Malachiβ¦its scathing rebuke from God was directed at the priesthood for their corruption and He warns them of the coming Judgment if they donβt straighten up. Remember, the only people Jesus condemned were the priesthood and it was them who had Jesus arrested and crucified. In 70 AD the judgment was fulfilled and for 1900 years the Nation of Israel ceased to exist.
All of that being saidβ¦I believe that in the gospels Jesus began to address the thoughts of mankind on the heart level rather than just the outward appearance of a person as they acted (hypocrisy=pretending) like they knew God in the keeping of the Law. When it comes to the things we do in lifeβ¦you donβt do anything that you donβt think about first. Carnal and/or holy activities are both first conceived in the mind before it manifests itself in the flesh. Jesus can be quoted several times as saying βtake no thoughtββ¦ thoughts may come but it is up to us to take every thought captive and bring it to the obedience of Christ either accepting or rejecting them. Paul also said βTHINK ON GOOD THINGSββ¦it will change the way you behave.
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carl_in_ohio
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 1:28pmWhy did this Representative wait until after being in office to announce his sexual orientation? Was he afraid he might not win the nomination? And now, he announces it. Not much of a victory to me.
Can the gay community discuss anything beyond their narrow agenda? We have debt problems, border issues, drug problems, nuke weapons…and the big story is a closet gay man now announces his sexuality?
We need leaders, not individuals focused on promoting one extremely small segment of society’s mindset.
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Poorfessor
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 1:44pmLet me remind you their behavior does not stay in their bedroom. It infects every aspect of our society. It effects court decisions, it effects legislation, it effects the content of the news.
The queer agenda is blatantly obvious in our public schools.
What would you think if he had announced that he was really a democrat, that he only said he was a republican because those crazy Christians convinced him he had to be a republican.
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caleejr
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 4:03pmwe are not to judge unto condemnation – but we are still to be discerning (judgement)
context …
I want to see people start holding press conferences to say they’re STRAIGHT
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Lucy Larue
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 4:19pmKRAYHAYFT,
You are an IDIOT of the first order. It is YOU that is the Bigot!
What ridiculous asinine assumptions you make.
You quote MATTHEW?! UGH!
The Gay Lesbian “COMMUNITY” is a teensy tiny segment of the entire population. Non?
I do not care what they do in the privacy of their dwellings. I do not,
I am just weary of EVERY freaking minority in this nation whining and protesting and screaming for my OKAY.
I am weary of the many being made victims of the few.
I am weary of destructive Progressives like you. You have the brain of a mentally challenged Gnat!
I do not think that your thought processes make full synapse.
KRAYHAYFT….,the mentally challenged Progressive,statist,ignorant BIGOT. That’s you!
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kryptonite
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 4:34pm@MEMYSELF
Jesus condemned entire cities:
βThen He began to rebuke the cities in which most of His mighty works had been done, because they did not repent: βWoe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the mighty works which were done in you had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. But I say to you, it will be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon in the day of judgment than for you. And you, Capernaum, who are exalted to heaven, will be brought down to Hades; for if the mighty works which were done in you had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.β (Matt. 11:2-23)
And people with hardened hearts: Mk. 4:11-12; Lk. 8:10; Jn. 8:22-47
Yes, it was the religious leaders who had Jesus arrested, but only because they had the authority to accuse him before Pilate. However, the crowds wanted to kill him too. They tried several times, but were unsuccessful. (Lk. 4:28-29; John 10:31, 39) When asked by Pilate, the mobs shouted, βCrucify him.β They even called his blood upon themselves and their descendants.
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AZRogue
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 4:45pmI just hope that people take the same care to denounce and avoid fornicators, adulterers, and liars as much as they’re hating on this guy. Because, yeah, all this talk won’t drive away a Republican lawmaker who might serve to draw some fiscally conservative independents who are turned off by social conservatism. Not at all, I’m sure. Eventually all those dirty Rinos can be driven away and forced to become Democrats and only the few and the proud will be in the GOP … as they fade to impotence. On the plus side, it might allow the Libertarian Party to rise to power alongside the Democrats.
Making a smaller tent is a losing strategy but whatever floats their boats.
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valiant1776
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 5:21pm@freepr008 I kind of answered your last questions, but not in detail. So if you can, please reread the last post, and the last portion of the first. Nonetheless, I’ll try to clarify what I said. Jesus said that our righteousness must exceed that of the Pharisees and scribes. Pharisees loved to put on a show, to seem more godly, and more zealot then the rest of the “simple minded” folks. Christ gave the parable of the women who gave all that she had to the temple, and the rich man who gave from only of that which he had in abundance. Jesus also used the parable wherein the Rabbis loved to appear weak and poor while fasting and praying, and wear certain garments, that all the people may know their acts, but Jesus said to let your prayer and fasting, that is, your worship, be between God and you. Why? Because God is the one who will accept and reward you, not other men. The Rabbis sought the glory and praise of men, and did not truly seek God, but attempted to be seen righteous before other men. Their acts were not made to sincerely communicate with God, but were done to appease the world, and seek its praise. They felt that their acts made them better than others. Weeping and and the sort is not prohibited, but the man who does it to falsely exalt himself above others is condemned. Jesus also gave parables regarding the lusts of the heart, an unclean mind, a wicked eye, etc. One passage I greatly love is found at Luke 18:9-14.
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valiant1776
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 5:34pmI don’t point out one sin, and ignore others. A little leaven leveaneth the whole bread. I may speak of one sin, but is only in discussions pertaining exclusively to that sin and its subject. As I said in my first response, I speak up against adultery, fornication, sodomy, incest, bestiality, etc. as equally as possible. Pointing out one sin, and not others, or ignoring others, doesn’t make one a better Christian, but a hypocrite. What’s the point of a preacher standing up to harshly speak up against sodomy to his congregation, when no member there is gay, but 30% are drunkards, 50% have committed fornication, 40% are adulterers, and 60% are gluttons? Scripture is to be used for reproof, correction, instruction, discipline, and doctrine, not to to blow off hot air, or to make oneself look better than others. We’re all infected with that terminal illness, death. We’re all made from dust, and to dust we shall return. Christ died that the world may be saved, not condemned. Sure, we can speak up against sin, but unto edification, and not in haughtiness, but in love. For so loved God the world. Those who are condemned, let their works condemn them. God, not men, owns every soul. Every man will give an account of himself to God. We can’t be respecters of persons. Everyone is equal before the law. And before God, we’re all guilty. Jesus came to establish the Law, not destroy it. He showed us how to truly follow it. He is the Way, Truth and Life.
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valiant1776
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 5:42pmI believe that we must keep the Commandments of God, if we truly love him. We must keep the Law, but in honesty and spirit. The Law of God showed us how to love our neighbor. We don’t lie, steal, trespass, commit fraud, bear false witness, lose that which is others, brake something without restitution, etc. A believer of Christ receives this Law in his heart, is anointed by the Spirit of God, and desires to keep the Law, for in so doing, he will love God and his neighbor, and his works will show the fruits thereof; Peace, unity, charity, respect, long suffering, patience, meekness, etc. For this reason the scripture says that Jesus fulfilled the Law.
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tootsie roll
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 7:40pmRight right you got all of the homosexual talking verses correct. However Here are a few that Jesus made quite clear his adversions to Homosexual/lesb. lifestyle.1Corth.6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kindgom of God? Do not be deceived:neither the sexually immoral, nor idolater, nor adulterers, NOR men who practice homoseuality, nor thieves, not the greedy nor drunkard, etc WILL NOT INHERIT GODS KINGDOM.
1Timothy1:10 the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers and what els is CONTRAY TO SOUND DOCTRINE in accordance with the gospel of the glory of the blessed God .
romans 1:26-28 For this reason (they rejected God) God gave them up to their DISHONORABLE PASSIONS, For their women exchanged NATURAL REALATIONS for those thare are CONTRARY TO NATURE, and the men LIKEWISE gave up NATURAL REALTIONS WITH WOMEN and were CONSUMED BY THEIR PASSIONS FOR ONE ANOTHER, MEN COMMITTING SHAMELESS ACTS WITH MEN AND RECEIVING IN THEMSELVES THE DUE PENALITY FOR THEIR ERROR. (IT WILL COME ) not FROM ME OR OTHER cHRISTIANS BUT WHEN THEY STAND BEFORE gOD AND EXPLAIN WHY they acted in this debase manner. God considers these sexual actions an abomination!!!! I will not defend this lifestyle and God will be the final JUDGE NOT me.
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tootsie roll
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 7:44pmThis Rep. does not UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MEANS TO FOLLOW THE GOSPEL. AND IT IS a laugh to hear him say he is a christian. NOT and yes God will be his final judge not us.
BUT THE BIBLE TELLS US TO BE NOT YOKE WITH UNBELIVERS
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memyselfandi
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 9:17pm@kryptoniteβ¦
With a 1500 character limit it is very difficult to say everything you need to and not leave some things out…Butβ¦
The passage in Matthew says that the people had been the recipients of many mighty works of God and they still refused to repentβ¦THENβ¦He condemned themβ¦but even thenβ¦it is still unclear WHO he was speaking to because He thanked God the Father that He had given revelation to βbabesβ. So thenβ¦there were some who were chastised and some who were not.
I donβt find any statements of condemnation in Mark 4:11-12 or Luke 8:10 in the parable of the sowerβ¦only statements of fact.
John chapters 5-10 is an argument that lasts 5 whole chapters (off and on) between the religious leaders and Jesus and they do contain many condemning statements but as I saidβ¦it was directed at the religious leadership. Imagine someone walking into your Church and telling your pastor he doesnβt know Godβ¦That is in effect what Jesus did with the leaders of the Jewish religion.
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memyselfandi
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 9:19pm@kryptoniteβ¦contβ¦
There is a sequence of events in the earthly ministry of Christ that shows the fulfillment of prophesy pointing to the fact that Jesus was the Jewish Messiah. He began His ministry with miraculous signs and wonders that got the peopleβs attention and drew them in and then He spoke to them with great wisdom and authorityβ¦but it was the priesthood that opposed Him at nearly every turn right off the bat. The Israelites were looking for a conquering warrior but Jesus began saying things like βgo the extra mileβ and βturn the other cheekβ, leading the people to believe that He was not going to overthrow the Roman government. They knew He was the rightful heir to the throne of Davidβ¦they even tried to take Him by force at one time and make Him be their King, when He refusedβ¦it was then that the people began to follow the lead of the religious leaders.
Donβt forgetβ¦the same people who shouted βcrucify Himβ also shouted βHosanna in the Highestβ just a short time before.
I own a 4 Gospel chronological book which displays the life of Christ in the order in which the events occurred and it helps to understand the sequence of events.
Stillβ¦too much to say and not enough spaceβ¦
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binge_thinker
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 9:23pmHomosexual activists have a political agenda: to radically redefine the institution of marriage.
Radical Homosexual activists admit that their goal is not simply to make the definition of marriage more “inclusive,” but to remake it in their own hedonistic image. Paula Ettelbrick, former legal director of the Lambda Legal Defense and Education Fund, states, “Being queer means pushing the parameters of sex, sexuality, and family, and … transforming the very fabric of society.” Homosexual writer and activist Michelangelo Signorile rejects monogamy in favor of “a relationship in which the partners have sex on the outside often … and discuss their outside sex with each other, or share sex partners.”
Is this what you want your kids in public school to be taught, because in Obama’s America this type of perverted behavior is coming down the pike quicker than you think.
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freepr008
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 10:13pmValiant@
Memyself@
I gladly accept your honest answers and the time and knowledge invested. Thanks for being courteous and respectful toward me. This whole subject is sensible to so many people, in particular to those who happens to have close siblings that embraces homosexuality.
As far as judgement is concern I think Jesus have the first and last word (alpha and omega) everything in between is just that. I think that our God don’t want any person separated from His glory. We humans see things according to our knowledge and interpretation of things. The human race is far from perfect at this time. We were at the beginning and we should be at the end. Each one us choose which battle to fight with the resources that God give to us and which ones leave entirely to Him to fight for us.
There’s a story in the bible (of many) that’s speaks volumes of how to approach certain matters. David, king of Israel, committed a series of errors (each one to cover a previous) and the prophet Nathan was sended to confront him. Is curious to see that he didn’t confront/accuse the king directly (doing it will probably end in his death) rather he use a story and David himself ended giving a self sentence and acknowledging his wrongdoing, but most important his repentance.
People will naturally defend and react vigorously when attacked directly but are defenseless against self realization. Is not if we do or dont confront a situation but rather how to confront
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freepr008
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 10:26pmHow to confront it that the end outcome will be a win battle with no casualties. Thanks a lot and God bless all.
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twinson60s
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 10:45pm“The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men.” Psalm 12:8
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jedi.kep
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 11:29pmFor God’s sake, go re-read your Bible. One cannot claim Christianity, being born again, and that homosexuality is a God given gift and use the Bible as your source for your faith. A Christian homosexual is like a Christian murderer or a Christian thief, or a Christian pedophile. You CANNOT claim a lifestyle that is called immoral and turn around and claim you are moral and use the same Bible as your source for faith. Welcome to the land of Make Believe where you can simply add or subtract anything you want from God’s rule book and make up whatever rules YOU want.
Itching ears and people deceiving themselves. It’s all in the book and it’s happening right in front of our eyes every day. What a freaking shame that people are so blind and so stupid that they can’t think anymore.
One more thing. The Bible tells us to make a RIGHTEOUS JUDGMENT. It is not always wrong to judge. Any first year student of the Word can tell you that, which you clearly are not.
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Balzy
Posted on December 4, 2012 at 1:42am@encinom
lol it’s the troll with the two alias’. dude srsly that’s really closed minded to believe all christians are like that. Tons of christians believe that we can help people by caring for them when they need us, some of us fall astray and judge incessantly but who here hasn’t judged one another? We believe in our teachings, but i’ll admit. it’s really hard to accept that superman can’t save everyone. I believe that we must live by the law of the land and i don’t choose to only hang out with people i agree with. i stopped arguing and i started listening more and more a good while back. never did like the type-talking so i tried to avoid it til lately. I ended up going on a few rants where i had left the room before i finished my replies, but then when i had gotten back i assumed i was talking to someone else on the list and ended up not making much sense. sadly i’m not very good at summing up how i feel on here, maybe i just haven’t gotten used to it. I want you to know that although i believe that what this guy is doing is wrong, i fully support his free will and if he didn’t judge me based on my life decisions we might even be friends. Only God knows the true plan for his children, I just want to help out anyway i can.
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Balzy
Posted on December 4, 2012 at 2:22amNot saying that we’re super people or anything, just a hyperbole. Like even if a christian had superman’s strengths, he would still be met with superman’s greatest fear. So please guys, let’s all show the world we love them til the very end. Please don’t leave this planet with a bitter heart, even though you might’ve done some terrible things in life. Their is someone up above who has always loved you and he will never forget that beautiful innocent little child he created. Just as that pride is a strong part of you, There is still that innocent loving nature of a child in your heart unless you go too far and destroy one or the other.
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Balzy
Posted on December 4, 2012 at 2:48am@cologoddess
See people, this is what’s wrong with america. People can’t interpret things correctly anymore. A:) you are right about a few things cause you put what the bible actually said, can’t screw that up. B:) You obviously haven’t read the whole bible, because there are different laws for different times so those old laws don’t apply to us. C:) and before you start judging my Lord, why don’t YOU give us an example of how you would lead mankind whilst giving them free will. Neither you nor I are any better than Adam and Eve. Both of us would’ve eventually been mislead and our pride would consume us. He gave human beings tons of more chances, would you be so forgiving?
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kryptonite
Posted on December 4, 2012 at 3:51am@MEMYSELF
it is still unclear WHO he was speaking to…
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He was speaking to the inhabitants of those cities in general. Obviously a few followed Him, but most had hardened their hearts, which leads me to my next point. Mk 4:11-12 & Lk. 8:10 state a spiritual principle. Jesus was not referring to the Parable of the Sower per se, but to why He spoke in parables.
God does not give sinners the right to decide when to repent. He has infinite patience, but He will not be mocked. It is a dangerous thing to repeatedly reject Christ, because it may very well be that God will allow your conscience to be seared. We don’t know when or if it has happened to any one person (unless he is a worker of iniquity), but when it does happen, that individual will never believe. Such was the case with pharaoh, when God βhardened his heart.β It was also the judgment God commanded Isaiah to pronounce against Israel because of their continuous rebellion against Him (Isa. 6:9-10), and like many OT verses, it had a parallel prophetic significance in Jesusβ day.
Paul speaks at length about this spiritual principle in Rom. 1: βAnd even as they refused to have God in their knowledge, God gave them up unto a reprobate mindβ¦β (vs. 28). It also applies to believers who commit apostasy: ββ¦in latter times some will depart from the faithβ¦having their own conscience searedβ¦β (1 Tim. 4:1-2).
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kryptonite
Posted on December 4, 2012 at 3:56am@MEMYSELF (CONT.)
John chapters 5-10β¦was directed at the religious leadership.
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So βJewsβ is akin to βscribes and Phariseesβ in the gospels? If that is true, how do you explain the following verses:
For the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they wash their hands in a special way (Mk. 7:3)
ββ¦wise men from the East came to Jerusalem, saying, βWhere is He who has been born King of the Jews?β (Matt. 2: 1-2)
=> when He refusedβ¦it was then that the people began to follow the lead of the religious leaders.
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You need to re-read Jn. 6. Sure they were expecting a conquering Messiah, but the people liked the miracles and the food. Some of his disciples were offended by the βeat my flesh and drink my bloodβ statement, but no one act made the crowds reject Jesus. They rejected Him for the same reason most people do so today, namely, because they didnβt want to give up their carnal/sinful ways.
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tmarends
Posted on December 6, 2012 at 1:09am@tootsie roll — You do realize that the verses you cited were written by Paul, and not Jesus… in fact, they aren’t evey quoting Jesus, like the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John do.
It is constantly apparent that most of the Christians here have not followed Glenn Beck’s advice of going to the original source… and constantly rely on translations, often faulty. When reading the Bible in Hebrew and Greek you learn so much more.
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Proverbs17-12NLT
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:06amI’m coming out of the closet to officially say ‘I’m not Gay’ There I said it.
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JACKTHETOAD
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:37pmAmen.
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Balzy
Posted on December 4, 2012 at 3:20amI really hope his ex-wife is ok, I wish people would atleast figure out if they’re gay or not before making a whole bunch of broken promises… idk what the real reasons were so it could have nothing to do with it. But so many people i know are like “i just can’t find the right one” and i’m like “then quit MESSING WITH PEOPLE, you can’t keep doin it with people then realizing you don’t want them” i mean how many people have to get hurt just for someone else to get what they came for? Most people think they can’t live anymore without being in some form of relationship, when do they take the time to get to know themselves and what THEY truly want?
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RickN
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:54am“True sexual Orientation”? You’re either born a male or born a female. If you choose to have intimate encounters with someone of similar gender, KEEP IT TO YOURSELF! Just as I don’t want to hear about your escapades in the bedroom with your wife………unless she’s really, really hot…….then please “come out of the closet”, and share your/her sexual fetishes with us……please?
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Pantloadian
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:12amActually, some people are born with both male and female genitalia. I know, weird, right? Go figure. What is Jesus’ plan for them? They must be doubly blessed.
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repairsea
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:17amI question if he was molested or “groomed” by a pedophile when he as young. One never hears from the GLAD that they separate themselves from pedophiles. I don’t see any difference between the homosexual agenda, Department of Education’s unsettling need to teach children about masturbation and sex, and the creepy uncle’s boyfriend who want to show porn and have a few beers with the neighborhood boys.
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mercenary4freedom
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 11:36amA former Eagle Scout and former regional director for the Boy Scouts of America, which bars openly gay members, Fleck said his βlivelihood depended on hiding [his] true sexual orientation.β
So this perv infiltrated the Boy Scouts huh? I wonder how many young boys he corrupted & possibly molested.
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AvengerK
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 1:04pmYeah ummm WANGO/PANTY/HORSEY? You’re talking about an indentifiable and treatable physical disorder..just like being born with an extra chromosome. What you’re trying to ignore however is strict homosexuality where this is NO genetic or physical pointer present.
In your zeal to appear to be clever, once again you appear to be an idiot.
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TROLLMONGER
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:48amLook at all of the typical right wing HATE speech on here already. Like I said you all are old and irrelevant. That was made clear in the last election that Obama WON. Eat it ya losers…LOL!
progressiveslayer
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:56amShouldn’t you be over at the NAMBLA dating site?
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M13
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:59amWhy didn’t he come out before the election?
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Dustoff
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:01amFrankly…. No-one gives a flying zip about what he does when he get’s home.
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qpwillie
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:03am@TROLLMONGER
Is this what you’re trying to say?
βI begin with the young. We older ones are used up but my magnificent youngsters! Are there finer ones anywhere in the world? Look at all these men and boys! What material! With you and I, we can make a new world.β β Adolf Hitler
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Proverbs17-12NLT
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:05amHow’s that Hopey Changey working out for you Troll? 4 more years of Obama economy Misery.
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qpwillie
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:11am@TROLLMONGER
Perhaps this will more closely express your views:
“When an opponent declares, βI will not come over to your side,β I calmly say, βYour child belongs to us already…. What are you? You will pass on. Your descendants, however, now stand in the new camp. In a short time they will know nothing else but this new community.β – Adolf Hitler (1889-1945)
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Pantloadian
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:14amQPWILLIE . . .No, that is what you are trying to say. Are you gay? Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
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Pantloadian
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:17amPRONGLY . . .Why, you lonely over there?
progressiveslayer
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:32amPANTSNIFFER I prefer women,the hotter the better,now put your nose back in TROLLS butt he’s missing you.
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NHwinter
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:44amTROLLMONGER – you bought the koolaid, they have you hooked. Remember, you will be old one day and under Obamacare you will be tossed aside. Laugh now while you can. You reap what you sow. Wisdom comes with age and you lack even a speck of wisdom. Your nasty comments reveal what you are.
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glegakis
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:49am48% didn’t
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Eastinfection
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:54amTROLL…. lol..
do you even recognize your own immature hypocrisy?
Condemn “Beckbots” for hate speech…. and then call them “Old, Irrelevant Losers”…
Either your speech is motivated by hate or you have some messed up terms of endearment.
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KingCoal59
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 11:13amWhy did he marry a woman? Umm I think he should have came out to her first and admitted he was using her for the advancement of his political career. Super creepy. Fire this poser.
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barber2
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 11:17amEAST: That ” problem” is why these inner angry, mixed up kids are attracted to Obama’s ” hate the rich capitalist” rhetoric. Just like mixed-up, angry ” Dreams Of My Marxist Father ” Obama, they all share some anger issues that only therapy might solve. Angry 60s radicals spreading their hate -American- values crapolla to another mixed-up generation ! Our modern day Bill Ayers young radicals. Smart-alecks, arrogant and angry…
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RIGS
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 11:58amHEY!!!! SCROTUMMONGER You can come out of the closet if you want…………..
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Eastinfection
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 12:01pmBingo BARBER..
It’s OK to hate as long as you’ve rationalized it as “hating haters”.
other examples:…
You Jerks are a bunch of name-callers!
Greedy capitalists aren’t paying enough for my college education!
Conservatives are irrelevant old people that want to starve the elderly & push them off the cliff!
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Fubared
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 2:32pmTroll and pantloads grew up watching daddy kiss Santa Claus; it’s in their makeup.
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The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 2:48pmI have just reported trollmongerer, and I suggest others do the same the next time he/she posts.
Here is my report in entirety:
“What hate? This person does this in every topic, tries desperately to nab the top comment so that his/her hate is the progenitor of all discussion.
Does this user ever back up their statement with quotes? Who is hateful? Where was this hate posted? Who? Where?
You can just tell by the name alone that this person does not belong here.
Socrates may have been a stinging gadfly, but he did so to stir intellectual discourse.
This form of gadfly stinging is purely spiteful, and serves no purpose other than to rile up and devolve discussion.”
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For my Liberty!
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 4:07pmWell, if you consider FRAUD winning..then I suppose he did..
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Eastinfection
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 4:37pmCABRITO…
I don’t agree with TROLLMONGER’s opinions but i have no intention of “reporting” on him or anyone else…. unless they’re doing Ad-Spam. He has every right to be here.
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The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 11:42amI give respect to opinions which deserve respect. Do trollmongerers opinion’s deserve respect?
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AvengerK
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 1:50pmMore projecting PANTY/WANGO/HORSEY?
Why the name change this time little fella? Someone upset you again? LOL.
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kickagrandma
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:48amrecall him, PA.
he, like ALL leftists, everyone of them, LIES!
Yuck!!!!! I’m sooooooooooooooooo tired of the lying!
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Pantloadian
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:13amThen stop reading The Blaze.
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TheSurrealTruth
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:26amWhy recall him? What does his sexuality have to do with his politics? Please, explain.
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Pantloadian
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:34amShe can’t explain. It’s just that sex makes her feel yucky. Any sex. But since “normal” sex is a gift from god, she can’t reject it. But gay sex, well, that’s the devil’s work.
Don’t thank me, granny.
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Wisdom7
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 11:36am“Why recall him?”
Because he is a liar. He lied and broke a contract with his wife so why should anyone believe anything he does?
You can’t win on this one. If he was “born gay”, then he lied to her from the beginning. If you say he isn’t a liar, then he wasn’t born gay and just “turned gay”.
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TheSurrealTruth
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 11:48amAh, so you’ve never told a lie, huh?
Everyone has lied about something, at some point. It doesn’t mean we’re just dishonest people, it means we’re humans. He thought he could overcome his same-sex attraction so he kept it to himself. Obviously he was wrong. Big deal. He isn’t perfect. Who is?
I’m not trying to “win” on this one, I’m only concerned with the truth. And the truth is: Sexuality has no more to do with politics than race. It’s stupid to support Obama because he’s black, and it’s stupid to oppose this man because he’s gay.
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Wisdom7
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 12:01pmBecause he represented himself as something he wasn’t to the people who elected him. His being “gay” has nothing to do with it really. It’s the fact that he lied to them and pretended to be something he wasn’t.
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Distress
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 12:55pmWhile I agree that yes he may of lied, we don’t really have the luxury of 100% honest people right now.
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SovereignSoul
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 2:57pmName a man in office that is not a liar. There isn’t one.
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RavenGlenn
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 3:06pm@WISDOM:
You are going to need a better argument than that my friend. There isn’t a politician alive that is who they say they are. The entire name of the game is about lying to the people to make them think you are something you aren’t.
You think he’s the only gay politician pretending to be straight out there? I’d be willing to bet large sums of money that he isn’t. Not even close.
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Wisdom7
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 6:57pmYour reasoning only sheds light on why we are in this mess in the first place. Perhaps if people would stop electing rock stars based on popularity and empty promises and start electing honest people with integrity it would change.
You asked if I lie. No I don’t. Sometimes I am in fact perhaps too straightforward in my approach, but I say what I mean and mean what I say. I never drank. I never fell for peer pressure. I’ve been accused by many of thinking that I am “better”. Yet I am not. I try to live my life in a moral manner and by certain standards, perhaps sometimes standards that are too high even for myself. I am, of course, not perfect but this doesn’t mean I have to give up and start acting like drunkard, cheater, liar, and so on just to fit in. If that makes me an outcast, then oh well.
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LogCabinRepublican
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 6:14amSince he was married prior to election I’m pretty sure the question of his sexual preference never came up so if this is indeed the case he never lied. Why should someone’s sexual preference make a difference in his decision making? There is so much hate. Let it go! As long as this man is for the constitution and smaller government nothing else matters. We need to band together no matter if single, divorced married gay or lesbian or transgendered. It’s people like you who hate increase LGBT suicide and there wouldn’t be the need for The Matthew Shepard Foundation. Does it make you feel better about yourself to throw all this hate towards someone that isn’t of the same sexual orientation as you? Those that are more disgusted over homosexuality are more likely ones who gay bash and have doubts about their own sexual orientation – This coming from someone with a screen name of KICK A GRANDMA – how nice.
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Beachbaby
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:46amCant be a person of faith and homosexual.
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BrownBear
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:32amI think you can be both – you just have to choose not to engage in homosexual activity.
…Just like when you are divorced, you can’t remarry.
…Just like when you aren’t married, you can’t have sex.
But when we mess up, thank the Lord that He forgives!
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HumbleMan
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:37amPlease form complete sentences.
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dj_bonneromics1982
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 7:17pmI can be a person of a different faith than you profess – a faith that’s openly accepting of homosexuals without question. Like Neopaganism.
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TASS50
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 12:02amRight on. How can he say he is of a Christian Faith and be gay. The area he represent is my area and it’s mostly Catholic and Protestant faith. I could imagine what his wife went thru finding out that he is was gay and had to divorce his wife for this behavior. It is still is a behavior.
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TROLLMONGER
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:45amA lot of republicans are secretly gay. But they have to keep themselves in the closet due to the cruel nature of the rest of the unacceptable bigots of the far right aka Beckbots that would burn them at the stake the second they came out. Its so unfortunate that the right wing is so primitive in its outlook. But that is exactly the reason why the GOP is dead.
NHwinter
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:53amTROLLMONGER – you sure know a lot about the closet. Where do you get all your secret information from? You spout off like such an authority on the Republicans and how they think. Makes you look very foololish. I believe many have no gripe with homosexuals, but just wish they would keep their sexual preferences to themselves. Rather arogrant of you to speak for what others think.
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4truth2all
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 11:16amYo monger:
What you call “primitive” God calls good
what you call enlightened God calls wicked
your words have as much weight as a feather in fire
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Wisdom7
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 11:49amLook in the mirror. You have nothing but intolerance and hate for Christians. So don’t start preaching to others about tolerance little boy.
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dj_bonneromics1982
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 7:06pmI don’t have intolerance and hate for Christians. What I do have intolerance and hate for are the obnoxious TΟ@ts who frequent this site and worship Glenn Beck as though he were a fascist demagogue. That’s why I love to taunt them here, especially post-2012 election. The right wing lost this election because of freaks like what you see on this site!
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Wisdom7
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:31pm@DJ
Isn’t that childish?
You say “Thatβs why I love to taunt them here, especially post-2012 election. The right wing lost this election because of freaks like what you see on this site!”
So your only reason for coming here is solely to attack people verbally? You just called them “Tw@ts” and “freaks”. Where do you see anyone worshiping Glen Beck? Are they worshiping him by simply commenting on the site? If so, wouldn’t that make you a worshiper as well? Do you hate Glen Beck? You only have tolerance for like minded individuals?
Honestly, some of the comments coming from the “trolls” on here are a little scary. I continually read nothing but extreme hate and intolerance from them with comments such as they are old and need to die off; they don’t matter; they are extinct; and other hate filled nonsense. What’s next? Throw them in the ovens?
Why would any reasonable person even want to converse with or listen to their point of view?
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dj_bonneromics1982
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:45pmI’ll tell you what’s childish:
1. What’s childish is labeling anyone who supports some kind of social safety net, or someone who wants to regulate certain aspects of business and the economy, as a Communist.
2. What’s childish is believing that President Obama is a Communist, Fascist and Militant Islamist at the same time.
3. What’s childish is the notion that showing equal treatment of all faiths, including none at all, is somehow anti-Christian.
4. What’s childish is telling all Obama voters that they are not responsible enough to own a firearm.
5. What’s childish is comment threads like this one from two years ago: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/chilling-video-openly-rooting-for-revolution-the-left-calls-for-american-civil-unrest-riots-francis-fox-piven-lib-talkers-journalists-van-jones-rev-wright-english-protest-leader-etc/ ….”There are many Marxist in my state who need to be desperatly shot.”…. “You then have to bring the laws back that made it a crime to be a progressive and trade union leader. You also need to put all these socialist leaders, (George Soros etc) before a Grand Jury where they would have to defend themselves against charges of βtreasonβ. Don’t just defund them, put them in jail.”
6. Finally, what’s childish is idiocy like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6ZV0gCg0Cs
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americansfightingforcommonsense
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:30amIsn’t it so convenient for him to come out of the closet after the election. That in itself is grounds for a recall. People of Pennsylvania start the process immediately and put someone else in his place that will not lie or hide things from you. If he will misrepresent himself to get re-elected, then he will do the same once elected. You deserve better than that.
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Pantloadian
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:51amToo late. Too bad. Find something else to complain about, something equally meaningful to you. I suggest the price of ammo and rope.
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TheSurrealTruth
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:28amHis sexuality is irrelevant, so it doesn’t matter that he kept it secret. I don’t know anything about this guy’s voting record, but if he’s a legit Conservative, not some RINO, then why recall him?
Sadly, he might be a great Republican, but wouldn’t have stood a chance of being elected if he’d been upfront about his sexuality. Look, I’m a Christian, and I think the homosexual lifestyle is a sinful one, but that has nothing to do with politics.
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rollthebones
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 7:57pm@ TheSurrealTruth
‘His sexuality is irrelevant’
If his sexuality is irrelevant, why is it being announced to the whole world?
He made it relevant.
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just the facts
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:20pm@ Marine25
Simple answer. Jesus had to fulfill the Word of His Father. He had to be sinless to be seated at the Fathers side.
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progressiveslayer
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:26amI’m no expert on the bible by no means but how can you claim to be a Christian and a homosexual? It’s like Barry claiming to be an American. He can do what he wants it’s none of my business but I don’t think homosexuals should be in the military or a boy scout leader.
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OldSurfRat
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:37amHi Slayer
Being a Christian does not mean being perfect.
One sin is no bigger than another.
The only unforgivable sin is to deny Christ when the time comes.
You may not agree with his coming out nor do I. Itβs a personal issue not to be waved as a flag of pride.
But all the same you will not be judged any different than he.
Let him be gay give him no special treatment but do not condemn him.
Have a great Sunday morning!!
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LisaKS
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:45amAs a fiscal conservative/social moderate. This man isn’t trying to shove this in our face. Who are any of us to to take away God’s judgement. We are all sinners. It’s not what someone says, it is how they vote. We all deserve to be treated with respect.
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Jezreel
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:46am1 Corinthians 6:9-11
New International Version (NIV)
9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
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TROLLMONGER
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:47amIts a good thing you dont hold any authoritative role in this country.
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just the facts
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:51am@ OLDSURFRAT
As stated further down this page:
First, the word βChristianβ means to be βChrist likeβ. Christ was not gay.
Secondly, there are many readings (laws) in the bible, most notably Romans Chp. 1, that this perversion is not of God.
Thirdly, the Word says that βWhoever finds a wife, (a male finding a women), is a good thingβ. Nowhere does the Word say otherwise.
Lastly, it is the world that is saying everything is legal; if it feels good or feels right, itβs OK. This is a direct perversion of the Word. Satan rules this world but he cannot rule man unless the man (or woman) voluntarily allows such.
Those who believe in God must believe that He is, and that the words of the bible are alive and real.
No one can serve God and man at he same time and be called Christian.
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Pantloadian
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:52amHow can you claim to be a conservative and a patriot? Oil and water.
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OldSurfRat
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:22amI do not think that I ever condone being gay. However you and I are not the judge and if we decided to judge then we shall be judged.
Decrement is ok but not judging. You do not have to hang out with someone who you find to be out of step with your faith but you can not condemn them.
Free will is key to Christianity. It does not mean free will without consequences.
Now if you are perfect (never met anyone yet that is) than I guess you can feel that way but until you perfect yourself donβt cast stones.
Matthew 7:3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
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progressiveslayer
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:27amPANTLOAD Probably because I’m not a conservative I’m a constitutionalist and patriot you simpleton.
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Marine25
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 2:10pm@justfacts
How do we know Jesus of Nazereth was not gay? Chapter and verse, please.
The only people Jesus railed against were the self-righteous and the hypocritical. Considering the ‘christians’ on this site; how ironic.
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Fubared
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 2:56pm25
Are you a card carrying member of Cair’s rainbow coalition?
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Duddio
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 3:07pmMarine,
Don’t be idiotic. It is a logical fallacy to claim something is true because you can’t prove a negative. Like someone claiming Romney is a felon or hasn’t paid taxes in 10 years. Well, we just don’t KNOW if it’s true or not.
But, since you asked: Matthew 5:17 – “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.”
Jesus came in the name of Yahweh, who condemned homosexuality in the book of the law. He came to FULFILL the law, which condemned homosexuality. He lived a perfect, sinless life and then went to the cross to die and cover all our sin. He could not be homosexual and fulfill the law.
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just the facts
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:08pm@ Marine25
Simple answer. Jesus had to fulfill the Word of His Father. He had to be sinless to be seated at the Fathers side.
Semper Fi
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Aldo
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:24amHello! This is deviant behavior.
This lying bas—d. He gets elected by campaigning on Christian values, then after the election, declares he’s queer so he can have the “distinction” of being the first queer in his category.
I am so tired of the never ending effort to legitimize this. It’s everywhere.
The US as we knew it has fallen.
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americansfightingforcommonsense
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:34amI agree, except if we have fallen then it is now time for us to pull ourselves up by the boot straps and rise up to a higher glory. We must turn back towards GOD the Father in Heaven and repent of our horrible ways and change our lives to serve him. This was his NATION and it should be again.
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TheSurrealTruth
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:32amUmm. . .why not just run as a Democrat, then? The left would elect him for his sexuality alone.
More likely he was afraid people would call him a “queer” and refuse to elect him soley on the grounds that he’s a homosexual.
Seriously, Sinful Lifestyle =/= Bad Politics.
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Wisdom7
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 1:49pm“Sinful Lifestyle =/= Bad Politics”
Actually it does. It’s called integrity. You know that thing missing in our society?
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blanco5
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:23amWHO CARES???? Hello, my name is blah blah and I like to have sex with men. Hello, my name is blah blah and I like to have sex with women. WHY is it so important to know what they like to do in the bedroom? Just shut up and do your job.
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progressiveslayer
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:35amFor a politician I don’t care to much because we have a quite a few **** Barney Frank,Barry Soetoro et al. As a boy scout leader or teaching young kids,no they shouldn’t be around kids because that’s the reason they get into those professions and everybody knows it.
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OldSurfRat
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:46amBlanco
Bingo – Yahtzee
You are correct.
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Pantloadian
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:55amWHITE05 . . .yes, yes, keep quiet about it. Same goes for Christians. “Hello. I believe in this old Jew. He’s really keen. blah blah blah”
WHY is it so important to know what they believe? Just shut up and pray.
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Eastinfection
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:14amI couldn’t care less if people are openly gay, openly Christian or openly Satanic, for that matter.
The people that bug me are the ones that try to tell me i should be “x”.
i don’t care what your selling… i don’t want any….
and if i do.. i’ll find it myself.
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barber2
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:22amBLANCO: I preferred ” don’t ask / don’t tell.” That sex issue is between a person and their God. But the dishonesty factor of this type of guy is appalling : he had a wife, and children . The cherry to top of his dishonesty ? Announcing this AFTER he won the election.
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OldSurfRat
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:37amMorning East
Glad to see your up and chipper.
I think that it’s a non-issue. If your are gay or your straight and like big b00bs. You dont need to wave it around. You dont have to hid it but dont wave it. Its personal and thats that.
I agree I worry more about those who want to tell me or anyone else what to do or be.
Being Christian is first and for most believing that Jesus was the son of God .
Other than the bible one of the best books that I have ever read on the subject of Christianity was (Mere Christianity by CS Lewis).
I have passed it along for many years and refer to it as the thinking man or womenβs guild to Christianity.
Lewis started out to write a book to prove to his Christian friends why they were wrong but in doing so he painted himself into a corner. Hence the name Mere Christianity.
It makes you think about thing logically which I do believe God has no problem with asking questions and being logical as long as your are honest with your logic.
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Eastinfection
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:45amhowdy SURF…
i will have to check that book out once i’m done with the stack of Harlan Coben novels i’m tearing through… Currently hooked on the Myron Bolitar series. Good stuff.
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OldSurfRat
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 11:01amEast
No need. Here is a link to the pdf. Have not proofed the pdf but looks in tacked.
But as you know Im not a graet proof reader LoL
http://usminc.org/images/MereChristianitybyCSLewis.pdf
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4truth2all
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 11:22amYo East:
While your at it another good book by C. S. Lewis is The Screwtape Letters … good book about how satan deceives, but is done in a fictional story …
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RIGHT_WHERE_IT_HURTS
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 6:11pmPantloadian, you really need to see Jesus and come back and give us an anal report.
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HappyHarriet
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:21amIt’s only a matter of time before he reveals he’s a secret Democrat – just wait.
A courageous Christian would have revealed this well before an election.
I personally do not care one wit about anyone’s sexuality or sexual preferences. I don’t see where it’s any of my business. However, when you are hoping to be a representative of the American people, you MUST tell people who you are so they can vote with full knowledge. He has no honesty nor honor, and that has zero to do with his sexuality and everything to do with his lack of character.
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Beachbaby
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:51amSECRET DEMOCRAT is so right. Do you know liberals are running for prosecutors for the sole purpose of letting the guilty go free? I heard this from a horses mouth in Germany who was visiting.
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vanman60
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 11:55amHappy–
You mean a Pennsylvania senator elected a Republican, only to later switch to a democrat?………that NEVER happens! That’s like crazy-out-there.
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fedup ohio
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 11:56amTo all the people that state they don’t care if someone is gay. Does it matter to you if they are a liar? Does it matter if they are a prostitute, a exhibitionist, belongs to NAMBLA? Does it matter if they stand for principle or blow in the wind. Who you are and what you say and do, forms character. If you don’t care about character, you get the type of society and president we have now.
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65Mustang
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:20amSorry, I’m part of the 49% that opposes gay marriage. I feel for sorry for the “dumped family” but I don’t give a **** about Mr. Fleck and all his gay counterparts.
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Pantloadian
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:59amBetter take a good look at Mitch McConell.
barber2
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:29amLOAD: Spell much ? Just giving us another bit of that classic Democrat Character Assassination Squad tactic that we have also come to know and despise just like the Jason Levin phony stuff..
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jungle J
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:16amHis poor wife kissed him…what a rotten self absorbed person to do that to her. I sure hope he flushed well before he kissed her.
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barber2
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:16amTroll alert. Posing as a wacked-out super religious nut. ) Reminds me of the Jason Levin Democrat tactics to defame the Tea Party with phony, racist posters ) Also notice the daily rash of phony ads on the Blaze. Our Lefty MIC check bullies are targeting the Blaze. Typical of the mob style so prevalent today. Sort of have a Far Left Sharia attitude to free speech : if they don’t agree with you, they try to ” cut off” your free speech. MIC checks. Glitter bombs. Bull-horns. OWS. SEIU : All Bullies, thugs, and Democrat goons .
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Pantloadian
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:56amLiberals don’t need anyone to PRETEND to be a conservative lunatic. You do that all on your own.
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barber2
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:26amLOAD: Far Lefties have plenty of their own issues ” to unload, ” dude. Jason Levin tactics are a classic example of the 99% Big Lies / Smoke and Mirrors tactics we have come to know and despise of the Far Left Chicago radical crowd. People in glass White Houses….
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RIGHT_WHERE_IT_HURTS
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 6:04pmYou’re absolutely right. O soiled One. If you have the balls to meet me out in the street, I’ll kill you. Plain and simple. Looney enuff fer ya?
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Wisdom7
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 7:10pm@Right
Don’t feed into their hate with idle threats. That’s what they want.
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bluntforce
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:16amI’d love this idiot to explain how he is a Christian. He is a liar, a cheat and a sodomite. It sounds he’s got more in common with the enemy of Jesus.
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saranda
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:44amDo you call out adulterers with this same vigor? That one made the big ten list and yet repubs seem willing to look past it. Typical hypocrites.
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jalice
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 2:39amall sin is sin- we are called to resist the devil, the father of lies, and he will flee.
have you sinned? if so, repent (change your mind) resist and the HS will give you strength to walk towards God and away from the darkness of evil. i was born an alcoholic (yes they found the gene), i have decided and, with the power of the Lord, to walk away from it.
yes you can be “gay” and remain in grace. you decide.
When you see these things happen: look up!!!!
Come soon Lord.
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streetrodder
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:15amNow he can switch parties and get re elected as a democrat.
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SacredHonor1776
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:27amDon’t you know the republicans are already becoming a branch of the democrat party… We are so close to having a ‘single’ party system… or a single choice, rather than multiple choices based on each person’s character.
Washington, Jefferson etc, each warned about multi-party systems. But they also didn’t want a ‘single’ party that controlled the thoughts and minds of everyone in a collective conformist society. They wanted free will and choices, based on individuals differing beliefs and speech (sometimes contraversial) not based on their ‘party affiliation’.
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streetrodder
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:13amHe’s a turd. His kids must be real proud and i hope his x wife gets tested for AIDS.
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Pantloadian
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:00amYes, yes . . . next thing you know he’ll be out hiking the Appalachian Trail.
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barber2
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:51amLOAD: just can’t break that habit of smearing people. You Lefties are so intent on mocking conservatives for being judgmental and yet, character assassination and media smearing is one of your favorite tactics. Hypocritical, angry and nasty much ?
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truthnstuff
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 11:35amDon’t mind PANTLOAD his diaper is full and he is disagreeable because the government has not come to clean him up yet.
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JACKTHETOAD
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:10am…and the filthy, corrupt quagmire/cesspool known as the Commonwealth Of Pennsylvania gets even worse. How the hell can you open up your windows for fresh air when you live here? (I simply must consult with Dr, Stephen Hawking on this problem. He’ll tell me, in turn, my furniture disappears into another dimension when I leave the room. I know he’s full of it too. I lurked behind the doorway and waited for that to happen, and it didn’t.)
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bikerdogred1
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:07amThey don’t call it the brotherly love state for nothing,but a recall should be in place,I won to bad,the voters get screwed again.
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NHwinter
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:04amWhy is it necessary to make a public statement about your sexuality? Do straight people in politics need to also state their preference? This is silly. I hope as a Christian he leads a chasted life. All single Christians are called to lead a chasted life. Is he strong enough to do that?
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JACKTHETOAD
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:12amBWAHAHAHAHAhahahahahaha……………………
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just the facts
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:41amNHWINTER –
First, the word ‘Christian’ means to be “Christ like”. Christ was not gay.
Secondly, there are many readings (laws) in the bible, most notably Romans Chp. 1 that this perversion is not of God.
Thirdly, the Word says that ‘Whoever finds a wife, (a male finding a women), is a good thing’. Nowhere does the Word say otherwise.
Lastly, it is the world that is saying everything is legal; if it feels good or feels right, it’s OK. This is a direct perversion of the Word. Satan rules this world but he cannot rule man unless the man (or woman) voluntarily allows such.
Those who believe in God must believe that He is, and that the words of the bible are alive and real.
No one can serve God and man at he same time and be called Christian.
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Pantloadian
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:02amJUST THE FAX . . .Christ was not gay. Really? What proof do you have he was heterosexual? Wife? Nope. Children? Nope. Sounds like Lindsay Graham to me.
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NHwinter
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:39amjust the facts – I understand the teachings in the Bible. But if someone finds they have an attraction to the same sex, they remain a Christian and are called to not act on that attraction, just as single people are called to not have premartial sex. Jackthe toad can laugh and I understand that in today’s world the concept of chastity is very foreign, but it is what God calls us to do. It does take faith and strength to live that out, rare, I know, but just the same we are called to avoid sin. You can be a very good Christian and be homosexual if you don’t act on those impulses.
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DougHuffman
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:03amTake back our Shakespearean English language, say sodomite. Children playing, blissfully ignorant of sodomites, play gayly.
Good people ought to be armed as they will, with wits and Guns and the Truth. God Bless Bitter Clingers, damn progressives sodomites liebraltarians repugnicans demoncraps.
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qpwillie
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:13amI always thought it was ironic when someone talks about the suicide rate among gay people. Why would a gay person commit suicide? One would think a person who came to that decision would be quite unhappy.
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DougHuffman
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:36amWorse, a Christian sodomite gayly committing seppuku. The very embodiment of OXYMORON.
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Pantloadian
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:30amQPWILLIE . . .Yeah. Wow . . . food for thought. God backward is dog. Hey. I just freaked out. You?
cmicko
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:03amIf this was true; “Iβm just trying to be authentic and I do owe it to my constituency to do that,β shouldn’t he have done this BEFORE the election?
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JACKTHETOAD
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:14amHe needs to be removed from office immediately! By the scruff of his neck, if need be! SICKENING!!!!!!!
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Chet Hempstead
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 5:25pmJACKTHETOAD
Pennsylvania does not have a recall process for state legislators, and there is no law against being in the closet or choosing when to come out.
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randy
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:01amGay Christian? Yeah ok……. Like Oil and Water, the two don’t mix.
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4truth2all
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:10amI know some serial murdering christians , they were born that way , they tried to give it up , they just haven’t been able to. I hope their not murdering other christians , that might be bad!
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Gregb
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 1:28pm@randy…
I agree… maybe he hasn’t read the manual.
seems this guy has a total lack of understanding. Maybe he is a fiscal republican, but not a moral republican.
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Gregb
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 1:30pmaddition to my last enry…
If…IF…he has read the bible and doesn’t understand it….what else does he not understand?
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Chet Hempstead
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 5:18pmYou can be a Christian without being a fundamentalist who thinks every line of the scriptures is the word of God. You can value the teachings of Jesus, while believing that a lot of the Bible is just a bunch of outdated regulations made up by men who falsely claimed to be speaking for God in order to give weight to their words. You may not trust yourself to use your own heart and mind to distinguish between true and false prophecy, but remember thatβs exactly what God expected everybody to be able to do back before there was any such thing as an official Bible assembled by church authorities.
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iampraying4u
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 10:52amNo such thing as a gay christian
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CHROME_PLATED_HEART
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 8:59amGee, I wonder why he came out AFTER he was elected?
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Pantloadian
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:57amBecause small minded sexually repressed Republicans overstuffed on chicken sandwiches wouldn’t have voted for him. Duh.
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DougHuffman
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 9:59am“Came out”? Beggars the imagination. Imagine carnal congress with a congress-critter, even the Euro Trash are squabbling over the legalities of carnal zoo congress. Imagine the stench, moral, fecal and olfactory.
Good people ought to be armed as they will, with wits and Guns and the Truth. God Bless Bitter Clingers, damn progressives.
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DougHuffman
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 10:08amPantloadian’s liberal Dependencies are full and need changing, running off after his congressman carnal.
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Pantloadian
Posted on December 2, 2012 at 11:22amTEXHUFFMANN . . . You look like a real cowboy. Hat, boots, big silver buckle . . . chaps?
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