UPDATED: Republican Leaders Propose Official ‘Fiscal Cliff’ Counteroffer
House Republican leaders on Monday countered President Barack Obama’s opening “fiscal cliff” offer with a proposal to produce $2.2 trillion in budget savings over the coming decade with “a combination of spending cuts, entitlement reforms, and $800 billion in new tax revenue,” The Hill reports.
The $800 billion in tax revenue would be achieved through closing loopholes and deductions while lowering rates.
The counteroffer was delivered to the White House via a three-page letter signed by Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.), and other senior Republicans, including former Romney running mate Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.).
The GOP letter begins by outright rejecting the president’s initial offer, which included a $1.6 trillion tax increase (twice the amount he supported during the 2012 presidential election), a $50 billion economic-stimulus program, and the removal of the federal debt limit, as outlined by Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner.
“[T]he proposal [Secretary Geithner] outlined on behalf of your Administration contains very little in the way of common ground,” the letter reads. “We cannot in good conscience agree to this approach, which is neither balanced nor realistic.”
The letter goes on to offer the House-passed Budget Resolution as a possible compromise.
“It assumes an overhaul of our tax code with revenue remaining at historically normal levels and proposes structural reforms to preserve and protect the Nation’s entitlement programs,” the letter reads, “ensuring they are sustainable for the long-term rather than continuing to grow out of control.”
Here are some of the reforms included in the resolution:
The House-passed Budget Resolution assumes enactment of structural Medicare reform that offers future beneficiaries guaranteed coverage options, including a traditional fee-for-service Medicare plan. This proposal is based on recent bipartisan efforts and would provide greater support for the poor and the sick and less support for the wealthy. We achieve these reforms in Medicare without affecting current seniors or those nearing retirement. This would slow the projected explosive spending growth in this program and eventually maintain Medicare spending as a share of the economy at 4.75 percent, thus saving the program for future generations.
The House-passed Budget Resolution reforms Medicaid and provides states with greater flexibility to better deliver health security to beneficiaries, saving the federal government nearly $800 billion over 10 years.
Separate from savings in our proposal for the 2010 health care law, the House-passed Budget Resolution envisions hundreds of billions in savings in other mandatory spending, including reforms to Federal employee compensation and the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program.
Notably absent from Republican’s counteroffer is a proposal to increase the debt ceiling limit.
The letter also supports the “middle ground approach” proposed last year by Erskine Bowles, the former chief of staff to President Clinton, before the congressional “supercommittee” on deficit reduction (this proposal is different from much-lauded “Simpson-Bowels” proposal).
“[Bowles] recommended that both parties agree to a balanced package that includes significant spending cuts as well as $800 billion in new revenue,” the letter reads.
“Notably, the new revenue in the Bowles plan would not be achieved through higher tax rates, which we continue to oppose and will not agree to in order to protect small businesses and our economy. Instead, new revenue would be generated through pro-growth tax reform that closes special-interest loopholes and deductions while lowering rates,” the letter adds.
The Bowles recommendation calls for cuts amounting to more than $900 billion in mandatory spending and cuts of about $300 billion in discretionary spending.
“These cuts would be over and above the spending reductions enacted in the Budget Control Act,” the letter continued.
“This is by no means an adequate long-term solution, as resolving our long-term fiscal crisis will require fundamental entitlement reform. Indeed, the Bowles plan is exactly the kind of imperfect, but fair middle ground that allows us to avert the fiscal cliff without hurting our economy and destroying jobs,” the letter says.
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) called the Republican proposal a “good-faith effort to find common ground.”
“While the president hasn’t moved an inch away from his efforts to please his radical left-wing base, the Speaker has consistently shown a good-faith effort to find common ground and a realistic approach to solving the very real economic problems facing our country,” said Sen. McConnell.
“If the president is serious about joining us in an effort to reduce the deficit and protect the economy, he’ll get off the campaign trail, drop the left-wing talking points, and instruct his staff to negotiate a solution in good faith based on actual written proposals. In short, he’ll begin doing what leaders do: Lead,” he added.
Here’s the full letter:
For its part, the White House insists President Obama won’t agree to any deal that “fails to increase tax rates on upper-income earners,” the Associated Press notes.
UPDATE: White House Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer on Monday rejected the Republican’s counteroffer, arguing that the approach was not “balanced.”
“The Republican letter released today does not meet the test of balance,” Pfeiffer said, according to BuzzFeed. “In fact, it actually promises to lower rates for the wealthy and sticks the middle class with the bill. Their plan includes nothing new and provides no details on which deductions they would eliminate, which loopholes they will close or which Medicare savings they would achieve.”
He continued:
Independent analysts who have looked at plans like this one have concluded that middle class taxes will have to go up to pay for lower rates for millionaires and billionaires. While the President is willing to compromise to get a significant, balanced deal and believes that compromise is readily available to Congress, he is not willing to compromise on the principles of fairness and balance that include asking the wealthiest to pay higher rates. President Obama believes – and the American people agree – that the economy works best when it is grown from the middle out, not from the top down. Until the Republicans in Congress are willing to get serious about asking the wealthiest to pay slightly higher tax rates, we won’t be able to achieve a significant, balanced approach to reduce our deficit our nation needs.
Boehner spokesman Brendan Buck voiced the Speaker’s frustration with lack of progress being made in negotiations.
“Republicans have once again offered a responsible, balanced plan to avoid the ‘fiscal cliff,’ and the White House has once again demonstrated how unreasonable it has become,” he said, “If the President is rejecting this middle ground offer, it is now his obligation to present a plan that can pass both chambers of Congress.”
The ball is now in the White House’s court.
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33sharks
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 6:47pm@barber2-I will tell you how he got elected. He panders to he “gimmedat” “I deservedat” generation. They now out number the people who actually work for a living….disgusting. the following is said with a heavy heart…America deserves what it has elected…./)….
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Mutiny
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 7:27pmWhile I agree the the Democratic base is looking for handouts. What exactly did Romney offer that was different.
His budget didnt balance. As a matter of fact it still had us close to 21 trillion in debt by the end of 2016. That doesnt seem like change to me.
He would have kept us in the UN. No change.
He showed a complete disregard for the Constitution. NDAA and gun control laws for example. No change.
He supported TARP. No change.
He supported the FED and Ben Bernanke. No change.
He supported abortion 99% of his political career and only was pro life for political reasons. In the end no change.
He supported the US being the military police of the world. No change.
He created Romneycare, and praised Obama for using his plan in 2009. Honestly how dumb are the GOP establishment clowns.
He didnt support states rights and back his running mate in Colorado over the pot legalization issue.
This list could go on, but fact of the matter is Romney was a horrible candidate. He was the worst of the bunch outside of Huntsman. Throw in the Mormon thing and his choice of a VP from a non swing state snowballed into the crushing defeat he took.
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Raging_Waters
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 10:00pmOne major spending cut for Entitlement programs would simply be to drug-test all able-bodied individuals suckling the teat of the taxpayer-funded government. These drug-tests could happen during a monthly progress report that also ensures the recipient is actively seeking work.
This would subsequently affect all the drugged up dregs on the dole and possibly cause them to desire job opportunities, rather than leeching off of ‘free’ money. I believe this would be a viable solution to the rapidly increasing Entitlement Generation.
This will make the ‘free stuff’ option less desirable, because most lazy/drugged up bums want to steal our cake and eat it too.
Too drugged up to look for jobs after trading your foodstamps for drug money?…
Cut off!!!
Too lazy to look for a job and would rather buy snacks with taxpayers money while living at section 8 housing watching “Dancing with the Stars” on primetime TV?…
Cut off!!!
Too prideful to work at a lower-paying job after getting fired months/years ago?…
Cut off!!!
My estimates indicate 50%-75% annual savings(!) based on the mentality of Obama supporters and complacent citizens who don’t vote.
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Wolfgang the Gray
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 11:34pm“Obamaphone! Keep Obama in President!”
That pretty much describes the basics of where our country is heading. If you haven’t ready George Orwell’s 1984, you should. Do it quickly because…
Big Brother is watching.
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December4
Posted on December 4, 2012 at 5:46amI wouldn’t agree to any deal that doesn’t include tax code reform. Read fresh political commentary at: http://smallcraftadvisorychronicles.blogspot.com/
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BSdetector
Posted on December 4, 2012 at 7:32amSo how long until ***** caves?
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cloudsofwar
Posted on December 4, 2012 at 9:04amnice try repubs but you knew that would be rejected by our dear leader. he will reject all plans until you sign off on his. we are screwed.
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calebjim
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 6:44pmThe “fiscal Cliff” is a myth much like the presidency of Obama. Nothing will change if it happens. Nothing changed with the election with his win. This Obama has one major fault, he has the inability to LISTEN to other ideas. The best policy for the Congress is to void anything Obama says or does.
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alonevoiceofsanity
Posted on December 4, 2012 at 7:27amTHE EXPIRATION OF THE BUSH TAX CUTS HITS THE WEALTHY HARDEST. If the Bush tax cuts expire, the tax increase hits the wealthy hardest.
Middle Class = $410.
Top Bracket = $1,633,591
Note: this ignores payroll taxes which the rich don’t pay. And most people get their payroll taxes back in the form of benefits when they retire.
Let’s go over the cliff and Obama still wins……again.
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jackact
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 6:44pmIf only the republican ‘establishment’ could ‘reach across the aisle’ once more and join hands with their fellow democrat moderates, invite Obama and his henchmen, and ALL jump off the fiscal cliff together.
The epitaph on their gravestone would state:
“Here lies the status quo. Forgive them because their experience in the real world was extremely limited and their combined Ivy league educations precluded any understanding of economics or job growth. May they spend eternity reading the US Constitution”
:)
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Mutiny
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 6:41pm2.2 trillion in deficit reduction over the next ten years a is a joke. We are completely broke. While I agree with closing loop holes but this is still going to be paid by the top 10% and is still a tax increase.
Both sides stink. I will take the GOP seriously when they really push real issues. Balanced budget amendment, cut in military spending, flat tax, ending our overseas militarism. When they are willing to look at their sacred cows, it will force the left to lose theirs also.
We dont need to move closer to the Dems to expand the base. You need to be a principled and show real leadership. That is something completely lacking in the GOP now.
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G-WHIZ
Posted on December 4, 2012 at 10:12amNext congress will change this budget! It won’t last 10years!! Every thing that is NOT compleeted in 2>4years is a big-zero!!
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DZ-015
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 6:33pmOne thing I have never read concerning Obama’s insistence on tax increases for individuals making over $200K and couples making over $250K is whether those income levels are to be indexed for inflation. If not, and if his plan is passed, the situation would allow more and more people to graduate to the higher rates without seeing any net increase in their income, sort of like what has happened with the Alternate Minimum Tax. It actually might be a good idea to index the AMT for inflation and then repeal the regular tax code in its entirety. Low income filers would owe no tax due to the AMT’s huge initial deduction. Everyone above that level would pay the applicable AMT rate. Filing would be far simpler, and it would raise more money. Even Warren Buffett would get to pay at least the rate his secretary pays.
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Newone
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 6:30pmEvery time I see Obama and House Speaker John Boehner they are all puffed up with their chest sticking out like at a barroom shootout, they have their testosterone ego attitude showing, neither one of them is going to give an inch, there is going to be only one left standing after this cliff fiasco.
And narcissist Ms. Kitty Pelosi standing over there with her stupid look on her face as usual.
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UNALIEN
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 6:11pmpure theatre,
the debt will continue to expand at an ever increasing rate, it is an economic imperative characteristic of the corrupt financial system…
if the debt does not continue to increase the financial ponzi collapses quickly,
if the debt does continue to increase increase it collapses slowly along with the standard of living
Both will result in a default or currency crisis…
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drs1969
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 8:27pmI agree, default is already occurring through inflation. We’re being boiled alive.
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paultard
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 6:10pmEnd it now… Clinton era Budget (2000) and today’s revenue = Balanced Budget and a surplus!! Do the math. Git er dun!!
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paultard
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 6:24pmBetter yet give them Ron’s plan, (see link) the budget WILL be balanced immediately and there will be NO INCOME TAX NEEDED.. I don’t know where some people here think it’s your DUTY to pay an income tax.. We have had one since the 16th amendment in 1913 and some say it was never ratified in the first place. We also need to be like ICELAND and throw our slave masters in jail.. click here —> http://www.dailypaul.com/127677/abolish-these-federal-departments-agencies-programs-grants-bureaus-commissions-administrations-offices-foundations-etc
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UNALIEN
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 6:37pmnope,,,
The US must run a deficit, sounds crazy but a balanced budget will collapse the global financial system, Ron Paul doesn’t understand Triffins Paradox..
It is a ponzi scheme without new debt/money it collapses…
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Mutiny
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 6:47pmBoth sides are completely scared of the Ron Paul plan because it fixes the issue. The only problem in it, is we dont have enough grown ups in this country to make the tough decisions. The Ron Paul plan would work, but it would cause a couple of years of hard times.
We are going to go through these hard times regardless. If we do it ourselves and work together it will be hard but we will prevail and come out stronger. If we wait till the collapse, capitalism will be blamed, and it will be crushing. It will bring in world government to save us because people will be begging for help. We have two choices have a structured collapse or a total chaos collapse. I am for the structured one.
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 6:49pmHow can anyone take a PAULTARD seriously when you first, send a link to the “Daily Paul”, give a list of agencies which should go (many, if not most I agree with… in all honesty), THEN have a couple of these agencies with the following…
-Office of War Crimes Issues (They blew the Bush war crimes)
-Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) (EVIL WAR-MONGERS)
Does nothing but make you look like just another…. well…. PAULTARD.
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Mutiny
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 6:51pm@un
I believe he does understand it. He has said no matter what we have to go through a correction. Its not if it will happen, its when will it happen. All our politicians are doing kicking the can down the road over and over. Eventually that will end in civil war, riots, famine, rapes, murders, looting, and total anarchy. Until the UN comes in and “saves” us.
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 6:59pmMUTINY wrote…. “We are going to go through these hard times regardless. If we do it ourselves and work together it will be hard but we will prevail and come out stronger.”
Did you vote for a CEO or help enable Obama by sitting your @ss home, voting for BIG Gub’ment Mary Johnson or whatever that other guy’s name was?
If not… you have no skin in the game like the rest of the Obama enablers…
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Mutiny
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 7:14pm@time
I wrote in Ron Paul’s name like I said I would. I am not the one who voted for a weak candidate that couldnt beat Obama. Myself and many others on this site pointed out why Romney couldnt win. We were right.
In the end you are just a sheep. You are being lead off a cliff and are mad at people like me who refuse to go off the cliff with you. I cannot wait to see the progressive liberal yall anoint in 2016. Judging by the establishments recent history McCain(progressive) to Romney (progressive liberal). It might be Hilary Clinton. She is the next step for the GOP establishment.
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 7:21pmMUITINY wrote… “I wrote in Ron Paul’s name like I said I would…”
Yep, that’s the other name I was trying to think of. I have to look at my screen name to remember it sometimes…
No skin in the game Obama enabler…
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soybomb315_II
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 7:23pm@Unalien
You are correct, though i think that applies to US debt and not the deficit. Either way, it highlights the fact that the most critical issue is the Federal Reserve and banking system – Ron Paul has been the only real candidate over the last 40 years to attack it
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Mutiny
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 7:32pm@time
LOL. In the end we were right. You were wrong. We warned you. You didnt listen.
I am ready for the 2016 election rants by idiots like you defending crappy candidates.
Clinton/Rubio 2016
Clinton/West 2016
Clinton/Santorum 2016
Clinton/Jeb Bush 2016
Clinton/Ryan 2016
Clinton/Huntsman 2016 because a lot of you idiots will believe that report Obama was scared of him.
VS
Paul/Napolitano 2016
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 7:33pmSOY wrote… “Ron Paul has been the only real candidate over the last 40 years to attack it.”
Well SOY… as we all know… Ron Paul is gone and will probably be pushing daisy’s in the not too distant future. Mary Johnson was a bust. Who is your next savior to get us out of this fine mess you helped us get into??
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 7:44pmMUTINY. I might “like” Paul the younger. At least he had cajones enough to be a team player unlike the rest of you lazy Obama enablers. He can leave “Wolfie” off the list if he wants my vote…
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UNALIEN
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 7:51pm@MUTINY
I followed RP and he does not understand Triffins Dilemma (Paradox), he does understand the symptoms but his solution is to kill the parasite,,, I understand,, but it will also kill the host. This ponzi scam has actually benefitted the US greatly, it has allowed the US to live way above its means by exporting inflation to the rest of the world. If that is cut off today, the world would abandon the US$ reserve system and all the foreign US dollars will rush back into the US causing a massive inflationary depression, leading to chaos, poverty and civil unrest.
We are in a post Constitutional NeoKeynesian Paradigm and unfortunately there is no going back..
This is why both parties expand the debt, it is to maintain the global financial ponzi scheme and nobody wants t bring it down. US debt expansion is a GLOBAL systemic economic imperative. Those that understand it benefit from it and those that don’t are dependent on it.
… by killing US $ global reserve status. All those foreign held US $s will instantly flood back to the US.
Global superpowers are repositioning for a dominant role in the “new world order” and that is the replacement or restructuring of the global financial system. This is the endgame, whoever controls the global reserve system controls the world…. and RP does not understand todays global game.. maybe the early 70′s, not today.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 7:58pmtime2 would vote for satan himself if he was a “team player”
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Mutiny
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 8:11pm@unalien
The gig is up. The game is over. I understand why they want to keep it going. The problem is its about to stop. The dollar is not going to the reserve currency much longer. No more petro dollar means we have a complete economic collapse here.
I dont believe their is anyway to stop it now. Americans as a whole are completely unprepared and we will suffer more than some chinaman sitting in a rice patty.
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UNALIEN
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 9:22pm@MUTINY
I do like RP, he has educated many but I disagree with his solutions and some views… but think about it if RP policies caused a financial collapse (even if it is inevitable) he, and constitutionalism would be blamed. A Progressives wet dream…
I have gone over this for a decade and there is no financial restoration solution… other than let it collapse, get it over with ASAP and make the Progressives own it… protect your wealth outside of the fiat system as best you can to emerge on the other side..
This collapse is inevitable and the Banker/Political elites are already planning the next global ponzi scheme… carbon “debt/credit”… to replace the dollar reserve…. (at least partially)
I really wish I had answers but it will be tough times ahead, prepare and build a like minded network….
Treat Progressivism like a dog that has a bite hold on your arm, don’t pull away it only strengthens the hold.. jam your arm down its throat…
they will choke on their own vomit… as sure as water will wet us…
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watashbuddyfriend
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 6:06pmOk, it is time for a cut, first in the abuse, and misuse by the Contress, the President, then a $3-dollar cut in Federal spending, before a $1-dollar increase in revenue. Then,
Change the tax rate to 20% to @25% on GROSS INCOME (everyone who has Gross Taxable Income pays the same rate), no deductions of any kind! Get the IRS out of bookkeeping, so a reduced staff can find the lost GROSS INCOME.
Get hold of the Swiss bank accounts, to find that lost money which was funnelled to political cronies.
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balrog25
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 6:03pmLet’s go cliff diving. The destination is all the same, the trip isn’t all that interesting or enjoyable, so I would just as soon get there as fast as possible. Those who survive the sudden stop at the end can try to put humpty dumpty back together again.
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leary1
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 6:02pmobama and his marxist clan have no intention of saving or fixing this economy, it shows everytime obama and his cronies talk. They claim to have interest, but only on their terms. Typical sociopaths, very narcisstic. If they were as smart as they try to tell us they are, things would have started to get better two years ago. The ONE CONSISTANT THING…IT WAS Bush`S FAULT. I remember obama claiming he would fix this in one term, he lied!!! As a taxpaper, and part owner of this country, I DEMAND ALL NEGOTIATIONS UNLESS DEEMED TOP SECRET BY ALL THREE ( house, senate, PRES.) TO BE TELEVISED ON LIVE T.V. SO WE THE PEOPLE CAN SEE FOR OUSELVES WHO THE PEOPLE ARE THAT ARE DISRUPTIVE,UNCOOPERATIVE AND AT FAULT FOR NEGOTIATION BREADOWNS !!!!!! I personally am getting tired of the cryers and whiners and people blaming others for the problems. REMEMBER OBAMA PROMISED THIS WOULD BE DONE WHEN HE RAN FOR PRES……..ANOTHER FAILED PROMISE OR WAS IT ANOTHER LIE??? Is obama afraid of c-span, the truth, and his failed performance being shone to the world??..YES!!! Our congress NEEDS TO HOLD obama`s FEET TO THE FIRE, AND MAKE HIM ACCOUNTABLE FOR HIS CLAIMS AND FAILURES, OR NO MORE FUNDING..PERIOD!! WAKE UP AND SPEAK UP AMERICA.
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BehindBlueEyes
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 5:58pmIf you have a 401K invested in the market there’s a good chance you are about to see it take a big hit. It looks like we’re going over the cliff and a lot of people are going to make income decisions (particularly capital gains income) before the end of 2012.
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Psychosis
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 5:57pmstop using a ten yr fairy dust budget
remove the 6% baseline increase from the budget
pass annual budgets only
if annual budget goes into deficit………….no pay for any politician in Washington
if budget deficit in second year………….confiscation of 50% of all politicians assets
if budget deficit in third year , imprisonment for 6 months
if budget deficit for fourth year …………..total confiscation of all assets and 10 yrs imprisonment
bet ya washington gets it act together in minutes
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Eastinfection
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 5:56pmDemocrat’s proposal= Let’s run frontwards off the cliff!
Republican counter-proposal= No, let’s run backwards off the cliff!
Everyone pack your parachutes…
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Polarized America
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 5:53pm.
,,,ok i didn’t read it…what the he!! are they doing now …(_)=…burp
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ginjit.dw
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 5:53pmThe chief organizer is setting up the opposition, of you consider the town crier, boehner, opposition, to take the fall off the “fiscal cliff”. It’s either still George’s fault or the repubs stopped me from making things better. Either way he wins..He is so concerned he is playing golf with the chief philanderer…
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ArmedAndReallyPissed
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 5:52pmWas the counteroffer made ABOVE or BELOW the desk of the CLOTUS ?
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OlefromMN
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 5:52pmRyan has proposed a budget every year since he took office. What makes this one different? Reid needs to take it up on the floor of the Senate to make it worth spit.
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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 5:37pmObama’s aide has already declared this a dead deal. Let the blame fall solely where it belongs – Obama, Reid, Democrats and those who voted for them.
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smokeyridgerunner
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 5:37pmWhy not do away with Forign Aid first then talk about pull all illigals off of food stamps and medicare first then talk to us about old people.
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ArmedAndReallyPissed
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 5:57pmOh no. We can’t do away with foreign aid !!!! The MoBroHo, you know, the Terrorist Brothers of the CLOTUS, have to have their money so they can attack Israel and of course, eventually US. The CLOTUS will NEVER cut foreign aid, unless it is to Israel. After all, money really does grow on Trees.
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Bluebonnet
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 6:15pmHey, the good idea floats my boat.
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ares338
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 5:36pmBoth party’s are a huge joke and it’s all own the American People.
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Bluebonnet
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 6:19pmObama knows he has the power on his side. He’s only waiting for us all to bend over like they did in the Chicago bath houses.
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barber2
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 5:33pmObama is just playing games with the Republicans. It’s the usual Chicago radical Left way of doing ” business. He learned it in his Community Agitation Classes where they major in the Alinsky Rules For Radicals. Obama is playbook Alinsky. Obama does not want a solution for the country. He wants to punish the conservatives and ” redistribute ” the goods of the ” rich.” It’s all about ” taking power from those who have it, and giving it to those who don’t.” Unfortunately, the real transfer of power is to the ” elites” like Obama and the radical Democrats ! It’s just classic Marxism. How did this man and his radical Chicago buddies EVER get elected ?
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Mutiny
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 7:16pmHow did they get elected? Its simple. The GOP ran out the worst possible candidate they could and he got curb stomped like many on this site predicted.
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Posted on December 3, 2012 at 7:28pm“…like many on this site predicted.
Like many Ron Paul / Mary Johnson supporters “hoped.” Can’t count how many times I read where a Paul supporter hoped Obama would win in the long run.
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Mutiny
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 7:34pm@time
You can put words in mouth all you like. You know you are lying. I didnt want Obama or his policies. That is why I didnt want to vote for Romney(Obamalite).
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soybomb315_II
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 8:21pmWhat kind of business would piss off its customers and then twist their arm to bring them back?
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circleDwagons
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 8:37pmBarber2, yes for many it is just a game. I would like to hear some positive ideas from my friend Time2.
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Posted on December 3, 2012 at 9:06pmHere’s a positive idea CIRCLED… let’s run Sarah Palin / Rand Paul against Brunnhilda and whomever in ’16 as a start in the thought process. You in? Think she’ll go for it?? She liked your boy Paul AND even stuck up for yooz guys. Is that positive enough or we’re you looking for something else?
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circleDwagons
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 10:53pmTime, that is a start but are we going to do now? Let’s be team players and raise taxes on the rich?
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on December 4, 2012 at 7:48amPersonally CIRCLED… I don’t think raising taxes on “anyone” (including the top 2%) in this uncertain climate is a smart decision. Plus it also depends on what they would do with the increased revenue IF they raised taxes…
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circleDwagons
Posted on December 4, 2012 at 9:36amTime, You supported a candidate that was in favor of the progressive tax system. We need to overturn the 16 th A. If you are against stealing from hard working Americans and wasting money than quit supporting progessives.
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progressiveslayer
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 5:33pm2.2 trillion over ten years isn’t a cut folks and we all know it,no Barry wants taxes up front and we’ll talk about cuts later,been there done that with Reagan.My plan would be to eliminate whole departments but we don’t have to worry about that sanity taking place.No these idiots are raising taxes across the board,how do you think we’re going to pay for ‘Obama care’ if you don’t raise taxes on everybody?
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alonevoiceofsanity
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 6:40pmTHE EXPIRATION OF THE BUSH TAX CUTS HITS THE WEALTHY HARDEST. If the Bush tax cuts expire, the tax increase hits the wealthy hardest
Middle Class = $410.
Top Bracket = $1,633,591
Note: this ignores payroll taxes which the rich don’t pay. And most people get their payroll taxes back in the form of benefits when they retire.
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drs1969
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 8:39pmStick it to the rich!
Same reasoning the Dems used w/ the luxury tax 20 years ago. We’re going to stick it them! Then all the boat builders closed shop, layed off employees and the rich went overseas to buy yachts. They had to repeal that idiotic law. They never learn.
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righthanddrive
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 5:32pmFatal error on the part of the GOP. Knew it was going to happen. Watch the country go down the tubes between now and Xmas.
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longknifed
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 5:31pmthank god most people don’t buy into this rubbish anymore because it doesn’t make any sense. Republicans were allegedly so “principled” that they wouldn’t let Ron Paul influence the narrative before the election, yet immediately CAVED to Obama on all fronts immediately afterwards…almost like it was planned?
Vote with your feet and let the rest of these clowns lose their spots in washington. that way we can form a real opposition once we get this controlled opposition out of the way.
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kaydeebeau
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 6:02pmdidn’t read the proposal then did you?
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calebjim
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 6:51pmI am tired of the BS from Obama. He really needs to learn the LISTENING process and halt the excessive talking policy that hehas. I am tired of that voice and the same old song.
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on December 3, 2012 at 7:18pmThe narrative started with Ron Paul not being able to manage a freakin’ racist and anti-semitic Newsletter and his connection with racist Murray Rothbard’s Austrian economics anarcho-capitalism schtick.
You think CLEAR-THINKING Americans would dare take Paul said TOO seriously? C’mon boy… think CLEARLY.
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