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U.N. Telecom Standardization Body Approves ‘Deep Packet Inspection’ That Could Be ‘Extremely Privacy-Invasive’

Dec. 5, 2012 3:20pm Liz Klimas

World Telecommunication Standardization Assembly Approves Deep Packet Inspection That Could Become Mandatory for Some

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Although proposed international Internet regulations – and some groups’ opposition to it – might be gaining the most attention as the U.N.’s International Telecommunications Union (ITU) world conference currently underway, the ITU’s standardization body is being called out for developing and approving an international standard that could to spying on private communications.

News of the standard – ”Requirements for Deep Packet Inspection in Next Generation Networks” – slowly began circulating in November but has been picking up steam since. Last week, the Center for Democracy and Technology wrote on its blog that the standard has the “potential to be extremely privacy-invasive, to defy user expectations, and to facilitate wiretapping.”

PC World’s Alex Wawro wrote earlier this year about what “deep packet inspection” is and how it works. Basically, it is when an Internet Service Provider uses software to scan data packets — how all the information you send and receive online is packaged — choosing to block or correctly route them. Wawro writes this is sometimes to your benefit, like when it blocks spam it identifies as virus or illegal downloads.

“But deep packet inspection has a dark side, and in the absence of strict legal restrictions, your ISP is free to root through all the information you exchange online and use it as they see fit,” Wawro wrote.

The deep packet inspection standard approved at the World Telecommunication Standardization Assembly in November ahead of the World Conference on International Telecommunications supports inspecting encrypted traffic. CDT calls this “antithetical to most norms, policies and laws concerning privacy of communications.” Boing Boing explained further:

Other standards bodies have shied away from standardizing surveillance technology, but the ITU just dived in with both feet, and proposed a standard that includes not only garden-variety spying, but also spying “in case of a local availability of the used encryption key(s)” — a situation that includes the kind of spying Iran’s government is suspected of engaging in, when an Iranian hacker stole signing keys from the Dutch certificate authority DigiNotar, allowing for silent interception of Facebook and Gmail traffic by Iranian dissidents.

Where things become “a real cause for concern,” as CTD put it, is that some proposals in the World Conference on International Telecommunications would make recommendations made by the ITU mandatory.

This standard was created without participants deciding how DPI systems will work. CDT stated that it’s unclear whether companies adopting the recommendation will build new DPI equipment to meet the standard. It also notes that the standard “barely acknowledges that DPI has privacy implications, let alone does it provide a thorough analysis of how the potential privacy threats associated with the technology might be mitigated.”

This, TechDirt’s Glyn Moody wrote, shows an “apparent indifference to the wider implications of its work [and] is yet another reason why the ITU is unfit to determine any aspect of something with as much power to affect people’s lives as the Internet.

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Comments (55)

RedheadPam
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 1:28pm
First, it would be wise to defund the UN instead of giving them billions more, but that will never happen with a Marxist in Chief. Second, although Conservatives lost the election to both Romney and Obama, we should not give up our fight for freedom against this KGB regime mentality. As I said prior to the election day, “we are hours away from the Gum Store, the Gulag and the KGB”. Well, the KGB and Big Brother Surveillance is here, and it will be mean listening-in on your private conversations to see if you are saying anything opposing the Marxist State, and thus (yeah, conspiracy theory) in the future sending you opponents to re-education places. Soon Big Brother and Big Sis will monitor you in your shower and bedroom for appropriate reactions. The technology is here, and it will be used against the citizen.See: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2018940/verizon-patents-dvr-that-tracks-your-actions.html Oh, hail, all who voted the slavery party or Gary Johnson taking votes away from the non-Marxist and making sure we never have another fair election or did not vote at all. Welcome to the new Soviet Union. And, what is Congress doing to fight it? Nothing. They are pretty irrelevant right now. We lost the election and the Country, the Constitution is being shredded on a daily basis, and our rights have been traded for the rights of Government. Remember the slogan at the Dem Convention — We belong to the Government?

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yoshik
Posted on December 6, 2012 at 12:24pm
Lets just sit idly by and make or side commentsas the heat gets turned up on the bull frog. What can we do about this country and when? Folks all the whining and hand wringing does nothing. What do we do? Glenn, your input?????

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OvertaxedNY
Posted on December 6, 2012 at 11:29am
This has little to do with privacy and everything to do with standardized accounting and enforcement. When you standardize every ISP to monitor traffic, you are creating a common global dataset for which UN taxes can be applied to countries, ISP’s and specific users. Failure to pay can and will result in access denial. The UN put internet taxes on it’s wish list for rich countries to as a means for wealth redistribution to the 3 rd world in 2012. This is the platform they will use to do it.

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- Fat Hubie
  Posted on December 6, 2012 at 12:02pm
  It seems the UN is steadily usurping power lately.
  
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christianUSA
Posted on December 6, 2012 at 3:07am
Opinion There are many thing very wrong that have changed in last decades; I like many at events pledged allegiance to United States of America; in this we pledged: to The States, to The Republic, UNDER GOD; But in last decade the atheist, gays, liberals, socialist democrats, progressives have violated and Turn from All of that; turn from a Republic to socialism democracy, Turn from The States United and Turn from limited Constitutional Law government to one federal unlimited government in control of all money, banking, commerce, nonprivacy rights stripped, unlimited taxing power, Turn from Under God to under federal administration rule, Turn from justice of Constitutional Law to federal executive orders regulations by bearcats From legal intent to redefining activism, trialless jailing, From for All to preferenced groups; Turn from Liberty from privacy, religious Freedom to: drones, street cameras, tsa gropings at check points all over, universal trackings & spying of cellphones, cable, internet, stores, satellites, From unelected hierarchy demand obeisance to (we do not directly elect by even democratic vote any administration or judges of fed nor of money controllers fed reserve) by rules, regulation, and so called unlegislated laws And Unvoted for changed of governing Form; Therefore we are demanded to fully break our pledges to the Republic and to God and submit to this changed Form witch deceptively secularist progressives claim is fair amerika way?!

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drenfroe
Posted on December 6, 2012 at 2:28am
Seems everyone with just alittle bit of power is obsessed with spying on the public.

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RazorsEdge
Posted on December 6, 2012 at 12:47am
Do not think this is a sentence: (the ITU’s standardization body is being called out for developing and approving an international standard that could to spying on private communications.)

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Dseosg
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 11:21pm
I think there is a G Man in my computer right now. I am trying to communicate with him. I didn’t get my free Obama phone. I hope he has it with him. I hope he did not find out by reading my emails that I have a job. If he did, not only won’t he give me my Obama phone he will take the phone I do have. I know I messed up and got a job and work everyday. Now I owe someone a phone. Oh god I am scared. HELP ME. I am one of the evil employed people. Even worse. I work for myself.

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TheCalmOne
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 11:00pm
Oh no! The UN is taking us over!

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- joa716
  Posted on December 6, 2012 at 4:36pm
  I agree with you. I think the U.N. has out lived its usefulness. We are the major funder and what do we get from them? Now they are trying to intrude on our privacy and put their noses in places that they do not belong. I say pull out and send them back to Switzerland. Every time there is a problem in the world, it is our troops and money that are the major forces. We need every penny we have and to every nation that thumbs their noses at us, take care of your own friggen problems. This would include the Saudi’s who we seem to protect without payment. If they want protection, PAY for it in American dollars. This is all ********! Nothing is free in this world, not even freedom. Many men and women put their lives on the line for us. Let their own people do the same. What do we look like “the World Bank”?
  
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michaelmoron
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 7:59pm
1871 – Due to fact that we were still divided after the civil war, the gov’t created a Corporation called the U.S. Government and governed from the Corp. – Headquarters, D.C.

1913 – Corp is insolvent and turns to the Global Elite Bankster Cartel for assistance.
They create the Federal Reserve Private Bank, The Federal Reserve Act is passed.
Federal Income Tax Begins. The IRS and FBI are Established.

1933 – Corp U.S. Breaches contract by declaring bankuptcy, and America must surrender collateral to the Private Bank.
The Government’s Gold Reserves go first. It’s Not enough.
Citizens are declared enemies and ordered to turn in their gold bullion and coin. It was not enough to absolve the debt.
So they had to pledge America’s LAND, Gov’t Branches and PEOPLE as COLLATERAL !!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlCs7u1ihws

Birth Certificates become law in all states in 1933.

Social Security is established in 1936. This is the Private Bank’s BOND on YOU !!!!!
It clearly says that the card is NOT YOURS !!!
They made you a Number to garnish your wages and keep track of you.

1944 – The lien on the Bankrupt Corp U.S. is transfered to the World Bank and IMF.
They create the UN the next year !!!
The UN is then the Creditor of the bankruptcy.

1992 – under E.O. 12803, America is for SALE !!!!!
http://rense.com/general86/nomis.htm

“Big Brother” wants to keep track of you because you were pledged to “him” in 1933 !!!!

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- Beck_Art_Obama_In_Pee_Pee
  Posted on December 6, 2012 at 1:54am
  [with "The Matrix" removed, this scene takes on a newer & scarier meaning]
  
  MORPHEUS: Let me tell you why you’re here. You’re here because you know something. What you know, you can’t explain. But you feel it. You felt it your entire life. That there’s something wrong with the world. You don’t know what it is, but it’s there.
  MORPHEUS: It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window, or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work, or when you go to church or when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth.
  NEO: What truth?
  MORPHEUS: That you are a slave, Neo. Like everyone else, you were born into bondage, born inside a prison that you cannot smell, taste, or touch.
  
  The World that has been pulled over your eyes
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_lgHMjTMRs
  
  [same sequence with "real world" video]
  Morpheus: You are a Slave…neo
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvSRNuEfCOY
  
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- michaelmoron
  Posted on December 6, 2012 at 2:24pm
  Beck_Art-Obama_In_Pee_Pee
  
  No doubt brother.
  
  The paralells are uncanny. It is Just like the movie.
  I think the director of the movie knew this, and was trying to tell us in an indirect way.
  
  I fear for the Agents now that I am aware of the matrix and that I try to free people from their capsules.
  
  George Carlin knew these facts and tried to tell us through comedy:
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0yhHHPc7IU&feature=related
  
  Stanley Kubrick had an untimely death shortly after releasing “eyes wide shut”.
  People believed he exposed an illuminati party and ritual.
  
  Check this quote:
  
  “Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an INVISIBLE GOVERNMENT owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To destroy this INVISIBLE GOVERNMENT, to befoul the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of today.”
  
  ― Theodore Roosevelt
  
  and again:
  
  “This [Federal Reserve Act] establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President Wilson signs this bill, the INVISIBLE GOVERNMENT of the monetary power will be legalized….the worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking and currency bill. From now on, depressions will be scientifically created.”
  
  - Charles A. Lindbergh, Sr., 1913
  
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robstoddard
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 5:23pm
First thing, encryption of data across the network is not so simple. There are very specific key exchange algorithms designed to create ‘session keys’ across a compromised channel. This means that we can negotiate a key exchange while Iran is listening, and Iran won’t be able to understand it, regardless of what keys they hold.

So, as long as your browser uses the HTTPS protocol instead of HTTP (you know, the first thing in the URL … HTTPS://www.yoursite.com vs HTTP://www.yoursite.com, you’re pretty much safe from snooping. They can only tell what server you’re talking to, and that’s about it.

The real risk is physical security and keeping snooping programs (FBI generated malware anyone?) out of your computer.

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THX-1138
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 5:04pm
Until they can crack the homemede 1024bit+ encryption any half-assed programmer can write in 20 minutes they can never stop any actual “criminals” (except for the truly stupid ones that were never a real threat anyway).

This is for spying on *you*.

Encrypt EVERYTHING so these Nazi’s don’t know where to look. My f’ing cookbook is encrypted!

Forward!

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AbrahamsSheepdog
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 4:56pm
Is this a terminator movie? Hey buddy, switch movies to a John Wayne.

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- AbrahamsSheepdog
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 5:09pm
  Check that. The “movie” we live in is FUBAR. Illumanoty has the dvd on ffwd. You’re gonna have to rip a video game controller outa kids hands before they would wake from zombie state.
  
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yougottabekidding
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 4:33pm
Control the media and you control the people.
NOTHING GOOD CAN COME FROM ANYONE CONTROLING THE INTERNET!!!!! Especially the un

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ResistSocialism
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 4:26pm
DPI is nothing new. Good luck with that encrypted tunneled stream. IPv6 here we come.

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WidowSon27
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 3:57pm
I always hoped when I was young that this country was gonna improve in my lifetime. 30 years old now and a little wisdom gathered in my lifetime, I have come to the conclusion that we are on a dowward spiral and loss of control due to the lack of common sense and the use of political correctness. Its no surprise to me that everything digital will can one day be used against us no matter its intent. The mind is the only thing yet to be unprivatized. One writer for whom I was forced fed in high school has the best qoute “They can imprison my body but not my mind” Well its time to use that ideal in reverse keep our thoughts and actions contained in a well maintained mind and take care of ourselves. Its time to refresh Washington with a new generation and time for someone to write a new common sense pamplet. The UN should be dismantled and the United States should worry about the United States.

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- Beck_Art-Obama_In_Pee_Pee
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 5:17pm
  “One writer for whom I was forced fed in high school has the best qoute “They can imprison my body but not my mind” ”
  
  Another lie by the Liberal brain-washers. If you believe it, then your body AND your mind have been imprisoned. Tyrants don’t care about philosophy … only bullets … and they like it when you fight with philosophy.
  And that reminds me of something:
  “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” -Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, Paris, 13 Nov. 1787
  http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/tree-liberty-quotation
  
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- Beck_Art-Obama_In_Pee_Pee
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 5:20pm
  Oh, and this, too:
  “What country ever existed a century and a half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms.” (same passage)
  
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- Beck_Art-Obama_In_Pee_Pee
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 5:41pm
  And more:
  “And can history produce an instance of a rebellion so honourably conducted? I say nothing of it’s motives. They were founded in ignorance, not wickedness. God forbid we should ever be 20. years without such a rebellion.”
  
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- MeMadMax
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 7:22pm
  I’m 30 too and this place seems like it has gone to hell since right around 02′-03′…
  
  God how I wish I had a time machine and could go back to the early nineties…
  
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- GuruMeditation
  Posted on December 6, 2012 at 7:11am
  It’s getting worse and will continue to, and it’s not just the US but the whole fkn planet. Can’t wait to leave to be honest with you.
  
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 3:54pm
Email: GPG/PGP encrypt every message. Period. Too hard to take 5 minutes to learn how? No privacy for you!

Web: Tor network (onion routing). Too hard to take the 10 minutes you’ll need to learn it? No privacy for you!

Computer: TrueCrypt full disk encryption assures absolutely privacy. Without full disk encryption, even the previous two steps are pointless, as your passwords/history resides in your operating system at many levels, even if you “erase” it. To hard to learn, too much trouble? No privacy for you!

Freenet and once there, making Darknets. Learn about them.

If they’re talking about this openly, that means it’s already being done. They’re just making it look nice and legal.

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- DougHuffman
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 4:08pm
  Read Assange’s Cypherpunks. It has moved a Seventy year old and particularly astute neighbor to take action, PGP/TOR/disk encryption.
  
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- jhrusky
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 4:34pm
  PGP was great back in ‘the day’. Started using it around ’91 if I remember correctly. But now that Symantec bought it, I wouldn’t trust it. I would wager Symantec has shared the ‘keys’ with Big Brother.
  
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- Beck_Art-Obama_In_Pee_Pee
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 4:51pm
  The problem with encryption in everyday usage is this:
  
  WNOBM KMWVI RXFSK LFLQS LWPEQ VJWII RHNHU DOOVP PXGLB DBUEA
  PGNHW LOEFF AQWRS NXNWV FHOQS JBURO LVEXE PCDCH GSAJP WMPRM HXRKA
  NVVKK OLSXB DLQIX ULQGD IPTPN XDDGN FGUOI HLLFR FNQPC QFWNU AVTIM
  ETCXE HOAFR PFJMT IMUDC FXFSX PGEQH IIXUA QKNIN BTEBF GUQKS QLHHM
  SRSXW GBOTP SGBJK UJBJA WPWXX LWNJU RNBEL HMBRL NMODE IHMVS KUUNI
  HABXS FQWRI NBEEE IURMD TDRGQ DXEKD QKTDH NLBKM VFOQG TFPUH WCENS
  ALFWK CTSSX LUPIB LDPEF WDXID EEJDH CHUOE OKIKB IKRNR WKHGQ BSNAA
  CXRVJ BIRBB EHVEC EUWAF QRKXE NADQT VXNDV OKPOV UREXT BNMTS PNEXM
  MTVBX HBPAC LNQML SJMHQ HDVRT RMAMQ SLNEV SKITV BSHTQ LHPQF ECNTI
  VTMDN GDKGC TSSBR ULKOX MBSCV OULPH WWSOE ILQMW CVKGV KBJPK GGODB
  OKQBK SFQIB GEBBE QNNGQ NGCKV IAXAV CMOKS CACTU NRKBU SRULJ TITMG
  ULERD EESLE WLALI NBHGF MLWHA GRPNU LQFAL EJPWG DRMWA MLFUL XMBQV
  CXLQK JUKFU JNHBB
  
  Got that?
  
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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 7:16pm
  @J
  
  I suggest GPG actually.
  
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- matamoros
  Posted on December 6, 2012 at 10:01pm
  @Ghost
  ——————-
  GPG/PGP, Tor, TrueCrypt, FreeNets, DarkNets. I’m impressed. About the only thing left on this list is the ZoneAlarm firewall. It’s free, and it’s rock solid. According to the Gibson Research site, it’s one of only a very few personal firewalls, that can not only keep bad stuff out, but it can keep stuff IN. Not many firewalls are very good at keeping the stuff inside of your computer from being leaked out surreptitiously.
  
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cessna152
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 3:53pm
This is the only thing that will awaken the American people…especially the thirty something’s and younger. Mess with their internet and their gaming, FB and so forth and they’ll wake up real fast. This could be a good thing… let it pass and Americans will finally wake up… this, I feel, is the only thing that will wake them up.

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- Small World
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 4:23pm
  I just read at pat dollard that Verizon has applied for a patten to listen in on home conversations. HELP!
  
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- jhrusky
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 4:35pm
  @ small world
  
  Yes … they want to ‘target advertising’ to you based upon your conversations (or so they say).
  
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- Beck_Art-Obama_In_Pee_Pee
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 5:50pm
  “Chief, we must use the ‘Cone Of Silence’ if we are to continue this conversation.”
  
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progressiveslayer
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 3:48pm
Ah yes the UN wants to make it easier to spy on us,no surprise here and I’m sure our freedom loving courageous brown shirted bastards in congress will go along with this Orwellian idea. They want deep packet inspection of encrypted data! That’s all you need to know because you encrypt it for privacy and it’s nobody’s business what you’re doing online.If the feds think you’re doing something illegal get a warrant,oh what am I thinking our freedom loving congress made warrants unnecessary. I’m not naive I know the NSA sees everything we do and they’re storing all that data for future use but this UN idea needs to be flushed.

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- Pork_Anvil
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 4:11pm
  What’s up cutie pie! Turn that frown upside down!
  
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Cronpolis
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 3:48pm
Most governments are already doing this. Just they are not using it for common crimes. Most are using it for tactical analysis and other terrorist threats. Can’t wait for the local governments to get their hands on this type of technology. I am sure they will put it to good use.

Just another way for the government to harass Americans about their private activities that happen inside their houses. I am sure they won’t abuse that power.

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- JethroUSMC
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 8:52pm
  Governments? Hell many companies are using this. If you think using HTTPS is guaranteeing anything you’re highly mistaken. My company decrypts and SSL on company systems daily 365. If private corporations have it the Feds had it ages ago.
  
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Frederick_Douglass_Republican
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 3:46pm
As another story here points out everything everyone does online intentionally or unintentionally is being recorded bit for bit. They can go back 10 years from now with artificial intelligence to decide what I am likely to be doing 12 years from now. Privacy is a thing of the past. People in the USA are wary about speaking their minds even face to face for fear of retribution. Orwell did not create a work of fiction.

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- resme
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 3:53pm
  “They can go back 10 years from now with artificial intelligence to decide what I am likely to be doing 12 years from now. Privacy is a thing of the past. People in the USA are wary about speaking their minds even face to face for fear of retribution. Orwell did not create a work of fiction.”
  
  The search engine “google” aids them in this search… Google gives out your information just by the government “requesting” it.
  
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- jhrusky
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 4:38pm
  Wasn’t google created with some CIA money and/or involvement? There seems to be credible evidence it was.
  
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Lord_Frostwind
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 3:46pm
Well they can look through my text messages and emails, but really all they are going to find is junk ads and back and forth sarcasm with my family members. If you wanted to plan something illicit; never use the phone or internet, stick to writing and talking where the evidence that you’ve been communicating are much more limited.

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Ragnars Repos
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 3:44pm
“If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about.” ~The German People, circa 1933

“I’m from the government, and I’m here to help.”

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- Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 4:21pm
  I opted out of the porno-scanner on my last flight and I ended up getting a deep packet inspection. Yes, it is already happening.
  
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- longknifed
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 4:51pm
  Lol I went on my 1st post-9/11 flight a few months ago and surprisingly I wasn’t porn scanned or molested. However, when I was taking it all in ( looking all around the airport) one of those deputized perverts walked up to me and said in broken English “why are you looking around?”
  
  I asked him if I could have a free frisk, and he immediately tried to play it cool by acting like he didn’t want to by screaming no.
  
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Cavallo
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 3:40pm
An ISP that promises security and non-government cooperation would likely make a lot of money. Maybe the Blaze can start promoting sites that offer greater security, but then again I hear rumors that the Blaze itself is rather invasive, so it might be counter to their interests.

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- Beck_Art-Obama_In_Pee_Pee
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 4:34pm
  TheBlaze? Invasive? Nah … oh, just a moment … “Ghostery” is showing me it blocked TheBlaze’s spying on this webpage alone:
  * ChartBeat
  * Content.ad
  * DoubleClick
  * Facebook Connect
  * Google +1 (now where have I heard that Google name before?)
  * Google Analytics
  * Omniture
  * Quantcast
  * RadiumOne
  * Taboola
  * Twitter Button
  * Visual Revenue
  * Yabuka
  
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deeberj
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 3:34pm
Our Gov’t should not agree to anything the UN wants. Period. Let’s try to remain sovereign.

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- resme
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 3:39pm
  “Let’s try to remain sovereign.”
  
  United states has no sovereignty. States are nothing but outlines on a map… Be sure to call your Local GOP or DEM rep and thank him.
  
  Time to let the senate actually represent the states again. NOT BY POPULAR VOTE
  
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- MDECKER
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 3:57pm
  There is no Gov’t. We have a “Choom Gang” that pals with terrorists and leeches.
  
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- Small World
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 4:35pm
  Well good luck with that !
  
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resme
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 3:33pm
I have nothing to hide, right?

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- progressiveslayer
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 3:56pm
  I know what you mean when people say that I want to smack their mouth but it wouldn’t do any good because they don’t see it.
  
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- resme
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 3:57pm
  “I know what you mean when people say that I want to smack their mouth but it wouldn’t do any good because they don’t see it.”
  
  I always just reply; Jesus and Gandhi were innocent.
  
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