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UK Scouting Groups Consider Adding Anti-God Atheist Oath for Secular Children

Dec. 5, 2012 7:05am Billy Hallowell

UK Scouting Groups Consider Adding Atheist Oath for Secular Children

Photo Credit: Scout Association

The traditional values espoused by Scouts groups across the globe appear to be eroding. TheBlaze has reported extensively about the Girl Scouts of the USA and its increasing leftist slant. Similarly, this summer we also reported about Australia’s Girl Guides, a Girl Scout sister organization that recently decided to remove “God” from its official oath. Now, in a separate move, British boy and girl scouting organizations may take similar actions.

The Guardian has more about the new oaths that may become available for atheist children who wish to participate in scouting organizations without pledging allegiance to a higher power:

Since 1908, when Robert Baden-Powell laid down the rules for his nascent movement in Scouting for Boys, new Scouts and Guides have made the traditional three-finger salute and promised to not just help others but remain loyal to a deity or higher power. Now, for the first time, the self-professed godless could also be welcome.

The Scout Association has launched a consultation to gauge support among members for an alternate atheist Scout promise, removing the invocation of a deity. At the same time, the Guide Association, the parallel movement which began two years later, is to launch a consultation about its very similar promise, with views sought on all parts of the wording from early January.

The current version of the Scout promise reads: “On my honour, I promise that I will do my best to do my duty to God and to the Queen, to help other people and to keep the Scout law.”

Photo Credit: Guide Association

While there is not currently an atheist pledge, other faiths are accommodated. “God,” being a very general term, generally complies with most faith systems and, over the past 40 years, various versions of the oath have existed for Muslims, Buddhists and Hindus, among other religious cohorts.

For quite some time, atheists and secularists have pushed for more inclusive pledges that do not include a deity. Up to this point, kids who do not believe in God have been forced to take the oath or have simply not joined the organizations. Regardless of what happens, the Scout Association claims that a belief in a higher power will remain a key portion of the organization’s practices.

“We are a values-based movement, and exploring faith and religion will remain a key element of the scouting programme. That will not change,” said Wayne Bulpitt, the association’s chief commissioner. ”However, throughout our 105-year history, we have continued to evolve so that we remain relevant to communities across the UK.”

The atheist response has been one of intrigue and encouragement. National Secular Society President Terry Sanderson called the plans to examine the oath a “move in the right direction.”

“By adjusting their promise to include people without a religious belief, the Scouts will bring themselves in line with the reality of 21st century Britain, where more than two-thirds of young people say they have no religious belief,” Sanderson said, according to Channel 4.

“If the Scouts decide to change the promise, it would relieve many young people of having to lie about what they believe in order to be part of this great organization.”

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Pontiaku
Posted on December 6, 2012 at 3:45pm
Anti god oath…?
Ok, so where’s the anti-god oath?
I seemed to have missed it.

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- The Third Archon
  Posted on January 20, 2013 at 12:41am
  Yeah, I also was disappointed to find that the article’s headline is more misleading than usual.
  
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pilgrim249
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:27pm
There are two species of humans on his earth: Those who have a soul, and those who do not. Those who are the product of divine creation, and those whose origins sprang from the animal kingdom. The children of God, and the children of the Beast.

When a man declares that there is no God, he is also declaring that he has no soul; and you have to think that he knows himself better than anyone else knows him.

The great destruction throughout history has come when those creatures with no soul gained the power of government: Then you have bloodthirsty Roman crowds cheering wildly in coliseums as Christian children are devoured by lions. Then you have Nazi Germany. Then you have Mao’s slaughter of forty million of his own people, etc. etc…..

The opinions of the soulless creatures

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- WAKEUPSHEEPLe
  Posted on December 29, 2012 at 3:15pm
  THERE ARE TWO PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD. the SHEEPLE AND THE WOLFFOLK. WHIch are you
  
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pilgrim249
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 8:29pm
Damned stupid atheists.

God did invent *****. Can’t you at least thank Him for that.

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- pilgrim249
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 8:33pm
  *****
  
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- pilgrim249
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:46pm
  poontang
  
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- piper60
  Posted on December 6, 2012 at 6:04am
  On my honor I will do my hest-yo do my duty to God and my country. No wonder the atheist want it changed.Trouble is, the scout association already caved in yo political correctness-and both boys and leaders left in droves to found their own organization, minus the neutering editing.B=P got itright the first time. Let the anti-scout types go pound sand!
  
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- The_Cabrito_Goat
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 1:07pm
  desu
  
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jay1975
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 3:53pm
Headline: “UK Scouting Groups Consider Adding Anti-God Atheist Oath for Secular Children”

Nowhere in the article is there even a hint of anything like an “anti-god atheist oath”. In fact, there is no “anti” anything, just a group wanting all people to be equally represented. Oh no, my faith is so weak that…I…must…attack. How sad.

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- The_Cabrito_Goat
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 4:37pm
  It IS a rather thin article.
  
  But the article did say, “God is a very general term” which can be used to represent any form of Deity.
  
  I see no problem with that. If that’s inappropriate in your views, let’s talk about it.
  
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- The Third Archon
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 4:49pm
  I, however, AM antitheist in ADDITION to be atheist. I don’t just NOT believe the claims about God’s existence or nature, I see pretty strong reasons to suspect that these claims are, in reality, WRONG (not just insufficiently demonstrated) and that the entire notion of God is most likely FALSE–in the same way that I would say, until I have any further evidence that would suggest otherwise, I see pretty strong reasons to suspect magic is not real, or fairies, or leprechauns, or mermaids, etc.
  
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- NONCENTS
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 6:39pm
  Jesus Christ is real: He’s listed in the Roman archives several times. And regardless of what you believe about the nature of the universe or reality, He fundamentally changed the world for the better. If you want proof of God, study the philosophy of Christ and emulate it, -even if you don’t believe. See what happens to you.
  
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- The_Cabrito_Goat
  Posted on December 6, 2012 at 5:46am
  I have done exactly what nonscents has said, and never regretted it.
  
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- Pontiaku
  Posted on December 6, 2012 at 10:42pm
  [He’s listed in the Roman archives several times]
  You mean in the Roman archives in possession of the Vatican? So what if he’s mentioned? What do we care if a David Koresh or a Marshall Applewhite lived 2000 years ago. It doesn’t make their supernatural acts or beliefs anything more than anecdotal.
  
  [If you want proof of God,]
  You must have a really lax definition of proof.
  
  [study the philosophy of Christ and emulate it,]
  Philosophy of Christ? Do as I and my god say or burn for an eternity in hell is not philosophy, it is theology. Aside from that everything written on Christ is third person. Funny how everything about god and his son must be written down by bronze age men as if they were more trustworthy and infallible than men today.
  
  [See what happens to you.]
  You mean…without dopamine, serotonin, and endorphins being released in my body with the nonsensical thought of some sort of reward from an imaginary spaghetti monster warping my mind? Is this what you call “proof”?
  
  http://i50.tinypic.com/2q8vlzc.jpg
  
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- The_Cabrito_Goat
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 1:06pm
  1500 characters is not enough. Forget it. Just another person to block.
  
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MDECKER
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 3:43pm
Is the Left able to accomplish anything on their own, or are we going to have to feed them and change their diapers forever?

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mcsledge
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 3:06pm
It’s like letting a w$ore join a sorority whose main commitment is celibacy outside of marriage. It’s not about inclusion; it’s about destruction.

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- The Third Archon
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 4:46pm
  Tell me, how many people do you think ACTUALLY were virgins on their wedding night, who WEREN’T married in their teens?
  
  And think about that, for just a moment, WHY is that arbitrary rule even a DESIRABLE thing? Why do you WANT people who are repressed, naive, and inexperienced with their sexuality plunging into, what conservatives continually emphasize should be, a lifelong commitment to another person every bit as sexually repressed and ignorant as they are? What exactly, about that is beneficial? I can see how, in a time BEFORE effective contraception where the inheritance of property (especially land), was far more significant and tied intimately to clear lines of succession (plus the whole “hereditary rule” thing) might make such a rule very understandable–but what MORAL or USEFUL purpose does this rule that values people for their bodies and sexual ignorance serve NOW?
  
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- Lord_Frostwind
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 5:02pm
  You have a seriously debased view on sexuality Archon, and unfortunately, it is the view of the majority of people. Why would you want someone who is a virgin? Gee, how about STDs? You call it repression to stay with one person your whole life and give everything to that person, I call it living a much more fulfilling life than all the hedonist idiots who go from one source of pleasure to another trying to find happiness, but never satisfying their desires.
  
  You wonder why so many people are depressed, why they constantly look for that satisfaction yet never find it? Because they ignore the more important components of relationships so they can obsess on the physical. It insults me that so many people call things love when it is just lust in a glamorous box.
  
  How can you give everything to someone you love when you’ve already offered yourself up as the main course in a few flings of lust?
  
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- tradcatholicgirl
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 5:27pm
  ARCHON,
  
  Your ideas about sexuality in marriage are just so limiting and so very sad.
  
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- scarebear83
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 7:09pm
  Archon if one bases their whole marriage primarily on “if the sex is good” then they have no clue what marriage is about. The best marriage IS that both remain chaste until they are married, that way 1) No STD’s as previously mentioned 2) they have their whole lifetime to figure out how to please one another, to learn of their likes and dislikes 3) the usual vows (in sickness and health etc) mention nothing of sex but of being there for one another, loving one another through good times and bad. So why is it beneficial? Because a person is marrying for the right reasons, that they love the person, not because “the sex is great.” Looks fade, even libido fades. If two people enter into that partnership as virgins then that tells me they are marrying out of love, not out of lust. That also tells me they can control themselves, not only in their sexual behavior but in other aspects of life and that is very key to a successful marriage.
  
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- finky555
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:30pm
  Excellent post Scarebear83. The third archon can never know true commitment from what is questioned in his/her post.
  
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cspatriot
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 2:48pm
The Boy Scouts are a great organization precisely because they make an oath to God and have done so for over a century. Baden-Powell said, “There is no religious side to the movement. The whole of it is based on religion, that is on the realisation and service of God” He also said, “Religion seems a very simple thing – First: Love and Serve God, Second: Love and Serve your neighbour.” It’s comical how most atheists/agnostics are hacked off by the idea of serving someone else because of a belief in God.

For all you reasoning atheists/agnostics, why does my belief/faith in God draw such ire? How can my service to others be so threatening? It is more dangerous to disbelieve God, as there is no longer a moral blockade to prevent one from doing whatever crime he pleases.

I suspect that most resistance to religion is based on exposure to people who did not live their religion and seemed hypocritical. That is the nature of religion.

BTW, Atheists have never proven God doesn’t exist, whereas, there is an abundance of SCIENTIFIC evidence He does.

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- TheCalmOne
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 3:30pm
  What is the scientific evidence that God exists? Please provide references to papers in peer-reviewed scientific journals. Thanks.
  
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- cspatriot
  Posted on December 6, 2012 at 1:07am
  Sorry, Calmone, after the Phil Jones/Steve Mann debacle and the mountain of fradulent global warming ‘science’ that so many peers laud and hail, what water does any peer-reviewed journal hold anymore? How about you provide the Peer-reviewed science with dates and studies that proves God doesn’t exist? The athiests make a greater leap of faith than any religionist is capable of.
  
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kingbee
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 12:59pm
On my honor, I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight.

If you don’t like it go find a godless Socialist youth program, leave Loyal young men alone, Boy Scouts teaches Character to the young men, Socialism makes them begging losers. I have an idea go join OWS and become a godless beggar. With out God how can you really become morally straight? These people have to attack everything that is truly good in bringing up kids to become a boon to society, not like OWS become a drag on society.

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- The_Cabrito_Goat
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 1:54pm
  Oh my, the horror of such an oath!
  
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- mcsledge
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 3:11pm
  It’s not about inclusion. It’s all about destruction. Most godless follow a master (Lucifer). Lucifer will make every attempts to destroy anything that is holy, pure, natural, etc. If you will note, progressives and most godless have not improved anything in society. They have just torn it (i.e, family unit, personal accountability, fiscal responsibility, tolerance, respect for others, respect for others property, etc.) down.
  
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searcher619
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 11:51am
Then the religious people sue them for singling out their religion right? What purpose does it serve to add an “anti-god” line to their oath? PLUS how is it good idea to alienate the majority of your customers? the militant atheists are nothing but infantile idiots. Maybe the coming bad times will be good for humanity as a whole. It will force many of these idiots to stop and rethink their values and how they have contributed to the downfall of western society as a whole. It’s pretty silly to believe you can take away religion from a group of people and expect them to still do the right thing and be willing to put the well being of other above their own when the time calls for it. I’m not religious but I know religion has played a HUGE part in the survival of our species as a whole. I also know that over 90% of humanity is religious. You also can’t ignore the fact that religion has been a part of human culture since the very beginning.

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- davecorkery
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 4:12pm
  that is true. But people are starting to realize that all the holy words were written by men, not one word from god, and are putting 2 and 2 together. Religion is fading worldwide, through education, and we can’t fool people into obeying human orders anymore. Faith is no reason.
  
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Carlinpa
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 11:37am
Why is it that believers ALWAYS have to make concessions to NON believers and it is NEVER the other way around? I mean are they also going to have an alternative to all their nursery rhymes? after all they’re not real. I don’t believe in the tooth fairy, hob goblins, thor, the Easter bunny, and consequently I don’t have a complete mental and emotional breakdown anytime someone mentions them

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- searcher619
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 12:18pm
  Because it’s usually the believers (in the western world anyway) who are more mature than the non-believers. At least this is true of this flavor of non-believer.
  
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- encinom
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 12:48pm
  Cause its the infantile believers that still believe in fairy tales.
  
  Cause, the world has matured and more and more people have abandoned the old myths and legends and seek the truth.
- searcher619
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 2:19pm
  encinom:
  
  You are one of the foolish I am talking about. You can’t make that claim when over 90% of the global population is religious. People like you, those who claim to know there is no higher non-physical being and that physical death is the end of your existence, are a VERY small minority. I love how you feel your belief makes you somehow superior to the majority of humanity. And yes your view qualifies as yet another religion since it is 100% based on faith not verifiable facts.
  
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Priscilla King
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 10:52am
Although Scouts are supposed to be all about wholesome activities to distract adolescents from “sexuality,” there is a tradition of teaching reverence-as-courtesy and not requiring Scouts to affirm beliefs they don’t share. France (for one) has had an alternate pledge, which translates as “serve a high ideal” rather than “serve God,” since the 1960s.

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- 3monkeysmomma
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 5:43pm
  In the American Southwest, the Boy Scouts are an outreach arm of the Morman Church. I discovered this after my very nice Morman neighbors tried to enthusiastically recruit my Catholic Children to join.
  
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I Aint PC
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 10:06am
The BSA is a private organization with voluntary membership. If the Scout Promise is offensive, then do not have to participate. It is the same argument with the gay scouts. If you do not like the Boy Scouts of America, you do not have to join. They is nothing stopping gays, or atheists, or any other specialty group from starting their own organization with their own rules. Just because you do not like the way a private organization is run, does not mean they have to change to fit you life style.

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U4eeeahhh
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:41am
Unlike most American Atheists, I came from a atheist/agnostic family, my father, his father and grandfather were all part of the Swedish Freethinkers movement. I was never baptized and never have believed in either Jesus or Santa Claus. My mother was a social episcopal and would likely be somewhere between agnostic and deist, we attended church like theater, as entertainment, three or four times a year . The local church had a Boy Scout Troop that also met at the elementary school so I joined. Didn’t last long, maybe a year, got a few merit badges. But handled the oath in the same manner I have handled the Pledge of Allegiance, by adding “no” “under NO god”. “honor no god”. Other than the promise and a young minister who was assistant troop leader who lead pre-meal blessings there wasn’t much religion.

In America non-believers are 1 in 5 citizens, in the UK, it’s much closer to 50% who have no religious affliction. The term “Nones” covers a broad spectrum of unaffiliated people, ranging from raging anti-theists to spiritual but not religious and sort of modern-day deists. This segment of the population is the fastest growing faith group in all the western industrialized nations. The number of people leaving organized religion is far great than the number of incoming converts in all of this societies.
So change the Promise to reflect the reality of contemporary society or risk death by irrelevance. The USA it is much worse and that is why the BSA has lost m

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- StanO360
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 12:41pm
  The problem is that without God, or eternity, their is nothing to make an oath by, the concept is meaningless and without merit. While atheists are often decent folks, they are by what standard? Who establishes it? Just the evolutionary electric impulses in our brains? Ethics without a point of measure are purely random and without value. Hitler was quite ethical, if there are no standards . . . just an evolutionary waypoint.
  
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- encinom
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 12:52pm
  You say that as if the bible is the source of ethics, a book the applauds genocide and honor killing. A book that justified slavery and demands rape victims be stoned to death or marry their attackers.
  
  I find human reason and logic more ethical than a collection of dogmatic myths and legends that have been used to slaughter and enslave, at least with reason and logic we can see the errors of the past and reform.
  
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- The_Cabrito_Goat
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 1:56pm
  @ENCINOM
  
  http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/slavery_bible.html
  
  http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/sexism.html
  
  http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/atrocities.html
  
  Learn.
  
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- encinom
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 3:45pm
  @The_Cabrito_Goat
  
  Selective texts proves nothing. In the bible god applauds Samson’s genocide and commands rape victims to be stoned. There is nothing moral or ethical about the book.
  
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- Lord_Frostwind
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 4:51pm
  It isn’t saying much when you talk about “fastest growing faith group in industrialized nations,” industrialized nations all have a declining population base. Once again, Muslims and Catholics (though Central and South America) will rule the world because they have the most kids. There is a reason the “Barbarian” groups always replace the great powers, and we have front row seats to see why.
  
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- Ohello
  Posted on December 6, 2012 at 10:30pm
  Encinom: Love how you are pleased to judge God. It means you are on par with Lucifer to whom Rules for Radicals is dedicated. Like all evil which is truly self centered and self serving, and soulless… There is depravity in your ways.
  
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Calm Voice of Reason
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:19am
Misleading headline, there isn’t anything mentioned about how the new pledge is “anti” God.

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Bohump
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 8:53am
Changeing the OATH? …. Why not,… Everything In This Country Is going to hell anyway!

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tommy.tommy
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 8:53am
I never like the filthy UK or I have no respect for them at all. I’m glad, I’m not apart of that filthy evil country. But their is some good Christians, over their. They have to live in communist with the filthy atheists and the filthy homosexuals, over their. God will destroy the power over England. Like it’s happening with ours, right now.

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- TheCalmOne
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 3:20pm
  Is English your first language?
  
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- tommy.tommy
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 7:27pm
  You must be a homosexual or a filthy atheist, huh? lol
  
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txbigfoot
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 8:43am
To allow an atheist into Boy Scouts is equal to having a homosexual in it. Duty to God and being Reverent mean just that. If your an atheist you cant honor the statement no more than a homosexual can be morally straight and reverent. I know that offends people but if you don’t like it join an organization, or form your own, that has your beliefs in it and stop trying to usurp everyone else’s. How hard is that?

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- neocon1
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:44am
  tx
  
  that is all part of the plan, infiltrate and destroy from within.
  The marxist, leftist, atheistic, homosexual, muslim, trojan horse.
  all anti God, all anti freedom, anti Christian, anti west…evil hoards.
  
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vaman
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 8:28am
Scout groups don’t belong to any particular faith, so this shouldn’t be a problem except for conspiracy theorists that believe this is part of the fictional war on god. If religious people (christians) want a christian scout group, start one or encourage existing ones. Your god is not everyone’s god, nor is more important than any other god.

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- Ohello
  Posted on December 6, 2012 at 10:21pm
  A war on the BSA has existed for years mainly driven by anti god types (communists & democrats) and homosexuals, and pedophiles. Praise be to God some leadership in the BSA has stood in the gap.
  
  GSA is worse having forsaken God in their organizations and embraced Lesbian leaders. Just ask about Debbie once & may still be the director of the GSA Brown County Area near IU.
  
  Caused the formation of Heritage Girls in Southern Indiana. What parent wants their child indoctrinated toward such perverse behaviors by predatory adults?
  
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NONCENTS
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 8:00am
Here’s an idea, maybe those poor little oppressed atheists can go form their OWN organization to bless the world with their good works….oh, that’s right, they don’t do that sort of thing. Interferes with their “me” time.

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- Metallicat
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 8:46am
  Its much easier to take over where someone else has already done the hard work. Just like the America our grandfathers built,being handed over to illegal aliens and those who would not have been productive in its construction.
  
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- DeavonReye
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 12:03pm
  You mean like the many pew sitters who “give to the missions campaign to send off other people”, then feel like they did something? Do a search and you will find many benevolence programs from non-religiously motivated groups.
  
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- NONCENTS
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 6:22pm
  Sure, there are some non-religious groups that do good work, I agree. They’re copycats. Of Christians. :)
  
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Mia Cav
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 7:56am
“How can I turn my back on my faith? If I bend that far, I might break.” Tevye, Fiddler on the Roof.

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txbigfoot
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 7:42am
They break the tenants of Boy Scouts. How is an Athiest and why even in it?
On my honor, I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight.
And A Scout is:
Trustworthy,
Loyal,
Helpful,
Friendly,
Courteous,
Kind,
Obedient,
Cheerful,
Thrifty,
Brave,
Clean,
and Reverent.

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- OutOfTheAether
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 10:43am
  Isn’t it too bad we can’t get Congress to work under the same Oath & Law, or at the very least to live by the Trustworthy part?
  
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- DeavonReye
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 12:00pm
  A person without a religious belief can be ALL of those characteristics.
  
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- Tractorboy
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 12:26pm
  @Deavon, Can you direct us to the moral code of the Atheist?
  
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- StanO360
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 12:45pm
  Deavonrye, no you cannot be those things. In fact, without an eternal reference those concepts don’t exist except as Memes (the Richard Dawkins variety). If life is an evolutionary jumble, then the conclusion is there are NO moral standards, just evolutionary social practices that promote the health of the species. Since people are aware of this and face no judgement or eternity, then there actions can be completely selfish (or not) and it won’t matter.
  
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- TheCalmOne
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 3:23pm
  Tractorboy – you haven’t explained how an atheist cannot be all of those things. Let’s say you meet somebody who satisfies all of those criteria. How can you possibly know whether they have religious faith or not?
  
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- Tractorboy
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 4:48pm
  @ THECALMONE, It was a rhetorical question my friend, that I knew would go unanswered, the moral code of atheism is there is no code, like the child society in the book “Lord Of The Flies” yes indeed there were a couple of good acts in the book, but it was also Ok to kill Piggy with a boulder, to steal, lie, etc. kind of like the stuff commie countries do. The reason Atheist may do good things is for selfish reasons, they want something in return, quid pro quo, build their pride, or they don’t want to get in trouble, or partly because we haven’t devolved far enough from our Judeo-Christian values, were the real human animal can be released, then some real evil can be turned loose. BTW I can usually tell after talking two minutes with someone to know what kind of person I’m dealing with, Christ centered, or not. Thanks for asking. God bless
  
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- NONCENTS
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 6:30pm
  Yes, a person can be all of those characteristics without adhering to a religion or believing that Christ is Lord. But those very people need to understand that without Christ, there would be no model of these combined virtues to emulate. Unconditional love of fellow man as a concept DID NOT EXIST before the Crucifixion and has transformed the world with it’s radical message, even for non-believers. That’s the thing about absolute truth, – you don’t have to believe it, but it still works for everyone just the same.
  
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Metallicat
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 7:34am
I bet they sell out God for money. They abandon God to make their organizations open to members who will replace Him with their own deity,values and traditions. All to make their organization more profitable for the officials who run the organization.

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Metallicat
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 7:29am
I’ve never been a holy roller. I have always known there was a God,but I did not know him personally. I always thought that He would reveal himself to me in time and I would know who our true Lord is. That did not stop me as a Cub Scout or Boy Scout from taking an oath to God,because all this is His creation and He is due respect. I have always gone through life,if not respecting all gods and religions by at least trying not to insult them. To disrespect any god in my opinion is the arrogance of man to think he has discovered his role in the universe and self promote himself to that of a god. All hail Science!!

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NHwinter
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 7:18am
Just another way the UK in going down the toilet, we will be following soon. Remove God, bow to the Islamist, continue your PC crap, socialized medicine, spend, spend, spend. Its adding up to destruction.

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