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With Young Voters, Republicans Must Give Up on Social Issues or Give Up Altogether, Poll Data Suggests

Dec. 5, 2012 8:28am Mytheos Holt

Editor’s Note: This is the fourth in a series of articles examining what went wrong for the Republican Party in the 2012 presidential election and where the GOP goes from here. Please visit our special section GOP: What Next? to follow the series of stories and find related content.

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If there is any group that is absolutely necessary for Republicans to win, it is the so-called millennial generation.

Millennials — typically considered to be anyone born in the 1980s or since — are on track to exceed the baby boomers in terms of sheer numbers, and are already engaged with politics at a level sufficient to make them a serious force.

This generation of voters is an elusive target for the GOP, as polling data shows that President Obama was able to retain 60 percent of the vote from Americans aged 18-29, even in spite of his economic failures arguably hitting them the hardest. How could this happen? Because almost none of the cultural cues currently most relied upon by the Republican party resonate at all with this generation.

Perhaps the most obvious way in which this disconnect manifests itself is on questions relating to religion. According to a Gospel Coalition poll taken in April of this year, 25 percent of millennial voters list themselves as having no religion at all.

The decline in religious affiliation is especially strong among those who were raised catholic or mainline protestant, while black protestants and white evangelicals have managed to retain most of their following. Under a quarter (23 percent) of millennials believe the Bible should be taken literally, with a slightly higher number (26 percent) believing the Bible is the word of God, but not a literal document. Both numbers are dwarfed by the number of millennials who believe the Bible is simply a document written by men with no divine inspiration whatsoever (37 percent).

Another way that millennials differ from previous generations is that they look at practically everything from an entrepreneurial or business standpoint, with a mentality that writer and critic William Deresiewicz has described as “Generation Sell”:

Perhaps a bit of each, but mainly, I think, something else. The millennial affect is the affect of the salesman. Consider the other side of the equation, the Millennials’ characteristic social form. Here’s what I see around me, in the city and the culture: food carts, 20-somethings selling wallets made from recycled plastic bags, boutique pickle companies, techie start-ups, Kickstarter, urban-farming supply stores and bottled water that wants to save the planet.

Today’s ideal social form is not the commune or the movement or even the individual creator as such; it’s the small business. Every artistic or moral aspiration — music, food, good works, what have you — is expressed in those terms.[...]

It’s striking. Forty years ago, even 20 years ago, a young person’s first thought, or even second or third thought, was certainly not to start a business. That was selling out — an idea that has rather tellingly disappeared from our vocabulary. Where did it come from, this change? Less Reaganism, as a former student suggested to me, than Clintonism — the heroic age of dot-com entrepreneurship that emerged during the Millennials’ childhood and youth. Add a distrust of large organizations, including government, as well as the sense, a legacy of the last decade, that it’s every man for himself.

This entrepreneurial drive is tempered by a lack of financial awareness, with many millennials having no idea how to construct a budget, and not understanding the mechanisms of credit scores. Needless to say, this filters into their politics.

Perhaps the biggest difference between millennials and older generations is their absolute immersion in technology. This is a generation for whom the internet is practically a second language, Twitter, Facebook and other social networking sites are the equivalent of “See Spot Run” in terms of web savvy. They get their news from the internet (supplemented in some cases with comedy programs like the Daily Show), and also interface with the world completely through the internet. The Fiscal Times offers some clarification on this point:

This has led to some uninhibited spending by young people. According to a study by PricewaterhouseCoopers, Gen Y shoppers will be a big factor in leading the economic recovery, since this generation has a greater willingness to spend, especially on new technologies. “Gen Y is accustomed to instant gratification and demands the latest and greatest gadgetry; a tech lifestyle is a need, not a want,” the report says.

This “technology is a need, not a want” thinking argues especially strongly for a technologically savvy Republican outreach strategy where young voters are concerned, since for young voters, inability to interface with a party through technology would be the equivalent of a campaign having no mailing address or no phone number for older generations. It’s simply a sign that the group in question doesn’t exist in a functional way.

And then there is the question of inter-generational conflict. In this respect, the millennial generation is notable insofar as it has a very antagonistic relationship with the previous holder of the title of largest generation in America – namely, the baby boomers. And there is no love lost on the boomer side of the ledger either. Again, the Fiscal Times reports:

Feelings of desperation and even anger among the millennial generation (those born between 1981 and 2000) towards their baby boomer (those born between 1945 and 1964) managers are common among young job seekers according to experts. The recession has put a damper on their career goals—55.3 percent of those 16-29 were employed in 2010, down from 67.3 percent in 2000, and 5.9 million Americans between 25 and 34 lived with their parents, up from 4.7 million before the recession, according to recent census data.[...]

Generational conflicts have always been present in the office, but experts say baby boomers and Generation Y in particular have characteristics that can clash. Shantay Bolton, an organizational consultant in Huntsville, Alabama, says that Gen Y tends to have a different set of work-life values than boomers. While boomers tend to be work-obsessed, millennials are demanding flexible schedules that allow them to pursue an active life away from the office. Boomers tend to like autonomy, while millennials want more direction and enjoy collaboration. Bolton says that GenY perceive boomers as “micromanagers” perhaps because boomers tend be competitive, logical, and efficient. She acknowledges that many younger generation workers are frustrated by the poor job market and worry that boomers who delay retirement are making the situation worse.[...]

Almost 25 percent of HR professionals reported some generational conflict in the workplace according to a 2011 poll by the Society for Human Resource Management (SHRM). Forty-seven percent of younger workers complained that older managers were resistant to change and had a tendency to micromanage. About 33 percent of older respondents griped that younger workers informality, need for supervision, and lack of respect for authority were problematic.

This outsized generation gap will present special problems in the future as issues near and dear to millennial voters’ hearts – for instance, the increasingly unsustainable student debt burden borne by many of them – clash with boomer fiscal priorities on issues like entitlements. Given that increased spending on both of these areas would be massively unsustainable, a fiscal generational tug-of-war may apply to spending, and with Democrats wedded to Medicare and Social Security by their ideology, Republicans are naturally poised to pick up the side of disillusioned young voters who would like to see their elders sacrifice a little so that they have a chance. This latter instinct may explain the willingness of many young people to support otherwise ideologically counter-intuitive candidates like Texas congressman Ron Paul.

However, if Republicans are to see and act on the advantages offered by the ins and outs of millennial culture, they first will have to convince millennials to trust them. And in order to do that, they will need to know where they diverge from younger voters politically, and do something to remedy that.

Economic issues

One of the few nuggets of good news for Republicans where young voters are concerned is their outsized entrepreneurial spirit. However, that does not appear to naturally translate into politics. A Pew study previously reported on by TheBlaze showed that young voters favored socialism over capitalism, with 49 percent of young voters having a positive impression of the label “socialism,” and 43 percent having a positive impression of the label “capitalism.”

However, even here, there is a spot of hope for the GOP – young voters also had positive reactions to the word “libertarian” and other polls have shown them having better reactions to phrases like “free enterprise.” Moreover, young voters may show affection for socialism due to their relatively low position on the income scale at this point in their lives.

But – and this is a big but – Republicans absolutely must not read this last fact and conclude that young voters will “grow out” of their liberal politics. Scientific studies are at best inconclusive on this effect, and more to the point, young people have only had one (poor) experience with Republican policies. To quote one young blogger, “We’re not old enough to remember any kind of Republican other than Bush. What are we supposed to think?”

An attitude like that is not going to change just because of economic circumstances – actual proof that Republicans care about young peoples’ issues and can govern in a way they would find acceptable will be required.

Granted, this attitude to the Bush administration is not universal. The youngest millennials don’t even remember Bush. For them, Obama is the earliest example of a President they’ve seen. And judging by the first raft of poll results, they’re less-than-impressed:

But the polls also hint at a “schism” between those who weren’t old enough to vote in 2008 and their older twentysomething counterparts, said John Della Volpe, the polling director at Harvard University’s Institute of Politics.

In one poll, for instance, he found that 42 percent of 18- and 19-year-olds identified as “conservative,” compared with just over one-third who said they were “liberal.”

By comparison, those proportions were nearly flipped for 22- to 24-year-olds — 39 percent said they were “liberal,” and a third called themselves “conservative.” It was much the same for older twentysomethings.

Nevertheless, most millennials hold fiscally liberal positions and trust Democrats far more than Republicans. Still, given the entrepreneurial spirit, affection for libertarianism, and (in the case of younger millennials) emergent fiscal conservatism of young voters, if the Obama administration fails to improve over the coming four years, it may well end up discrediting fiscal liberalism among young voters. This has already been the case with white millennials, who went for Romney over Obama by seven points, though as with most age groups, minorities in the millennial generation are more liberal than their white brethren. This simply argues for better inclusion efforts on the part of the GOP both in terms of young voters generally and in terms of minority voters specifically.

The ambivalence of the young on the question of economic issues is the comparative good news for the GOP. Their attitude on social issues, on the other hand, is decisively against Republicans. Moreover, as we showed in our earlier article “7 Reasons Why the GOP Should be Worried,” young voters cast their votes on social issues first and foremost.

The findings in the poll by the Gospel Coalition reveal the general refusal of young people to entertain Republican stances on issues like gay marriage and (to a lesser extent) abortion:

• Millennials’ feelings toward present-day Christianity are fairly ambivalent. Approximately three-quarters (76%) of younger Millennials say that modern-day Christianity “has good values and principles” and 63% agree that contemporary Christianity “consistently shows love for other people.” On the other hand, nearly two-thirds (64%) say that “anti-gay” describes present-day Christianity somewhat or very well and more than 6-in-10 (62%) also believe that Christianity is “judgmental.”

• A majority of college-age Millennials say that abortion should be legal in all (24%) or most cases (30%). More than 4-in-10 say that abortion should be illegal in most (28%) or all cases (16%). Roughly 6-in-10 (59%) believe that at least some health care professionals in their community should provide legal abortions.

• Millennials are nearly evenly divided over whether sex between two adults of the same gender is morally acceptable (48%) or morally wrong (44%). But nearly 6-in-10 (59%) of college-age Millennials favor allowing same-sex marriage, compared to 37% who are legally opposed.

The social liberalism of young people extends even to young Republicans, though to a lesser degree. Over the past eight years, the percentage of young Republicans who support full same sex marriage rights has grown from 28 percent to 37 percent. A Facebook group exists called “Young Conservatives for Freedom to Marry.” It has 5,920 “Likes.” Nationwide, between 59 and 66 percent of young voters (depending on the poll) support legalizing same sex marriage. In some swing states, this number is even higher. Abortion follows a similar trajectory, with 65 percent of young voters believing it should be legal most of the time, or all of the time.

The passion of young people on these issues also outstrips their commitments on other fronts. TheBlaze’s Benny Johnson confirmed this when he interviewed young voters in Boston on Election Day of this year:

“Women’s rights”, “gay marriage”, “planned parenthood”, “social welfare” rang out time and time again. The economic issues Mitt Romney hammered on were nowhere to be found — these voters were participating in an alternate election, one based on the social issues hand-crafted by team Obama. Without any specifics, but in full faith, these young voters stood, ready to cast their sacred ballots for the incumbent.

The attitude was also characterized by National Review’s Rich Lowry as “Let Them Eat Gay Marriage,” a riff on Marie Antoinette’s “Let Them Eat Cake.” And indeed, based on this year’s election results, young voters appear prepared to deny themselves jobs and functional financial futures over social issues like gay marriage and access to contraception.

Not all Republicans are incapable of accepting this reality – in fact, some Republicans would arguably qualify as heroes to these socially liberal youngsters. The most obvious example would be former Bush Solicitor General Ted Olsen, who is currently leading the legal battle to get California’s anti-gay marriage constitutional amendment known as Proposition 8 thrown out in court, even bringing his case to the Supreme Court. Moreover, the bills legalizing same sex marriage this past election cycle were all passed with Republican support. Several Republican commentators and lawmakers have already come out in favor of the practice.

However, these overtures can only work if the wider party accepts the fundamental shift on this issue – and on social issues generally – that has taken place not only among young voters, but nationwide.

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Comments (563)

SquidVetOhio
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:22am
Go ahead and count on these young welfare-ridden, godless fools to vote for you Republicans. Here’s a news flash to these “experts”. The Christian-right did not turn out the last two elections. You guys think you can win without us? Go for it. Been working out great so far. Do they not understand how we could have a landslide election in 2010 and then lose in 2012 when things got even worse? The GOP (who wasn’t even talking about social issues save 2 guys who were suckered into it by the media) decided to distance themselves from the Christian community. Well, you’re reaping that now. As long as they keep going down this road, I’m sitting it out or voting 3rd party. As a Christian, the souls of men is more important than the government we live under anyways. Christ never rebelled against the Romans, that was not His purpose.

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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:50am
  good thing there are some people who are working with the young generation to preserve liberty for the future….If it were up to you guys, freedom would have died with the 1st generation
  
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- TheSurrealTruth
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:57am
  They really don’t get it, they just don’t.
  
  (Social) Conservativism was not on the ballot this election, moderation was. As a result, the GOP lost. And they will continue to lose if they keep throwing their most faithful supporters under the bus.
  
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- brother_ed
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 10:08am
  @SOYBOMB315_II
  
  People do not need to be educated on liberty; being free of constraints comes naturally.
  
  I am thankful for the people who are teaching this generation morality and self-control, though I fear their message is being lost due to the rise of Libertarianism.
  
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- Locked
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 10:14am
  @Thesurrealtruth
  
  “(Social) Conservativism was not on the ballot this election, moderation was.”
  
  How do you mean? The GOP platform had a ban of gay marriage as a plank (also banning civil unions). It vowed restriction of abortion through a Personhood Amendment. It had God explicitly mentioned, vowed for the president to keep Bibles in military bases, and to allow public displays of the Ten Commandments on public property. It made a commitment against Shariah law, as if Shariah would somehow replace US law.
  
  If you think that the GOP was NOT socially conservative, you didn’t actually read about the GOP in the last election… or more likely, you only read pundits who said “the GOP wasn’t socially conservative” and took it as Gospel truth.
  
  Was Romney himself conservative? In no way: but he would never had vetoed socially conservative legislation passed by Congress. He said himself that he would elect social conservative judges to the SCotUS to try and overturn Roe v. Wade. Romney wasn’t personally a social conservative, but he would have advanced the socially conservative cause without a second thought.
  
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- TheSurrealTruth
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 10:30am
  @LOCKED: “Was Romney himself conservative? In no way:”
  
  Exactly.
  
  You realize that a huge portion of Republicans didn’t even vote this election, right? There’s a reason for that. Social conservativism was not on the ballot, so many social conservatives sat this one out.
  
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- Locked
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 10:43am
  @Thesurrealtruth
  
  “Social conservativism was not on the ballot, so many social conservatives sat this one out.”
  
  So you’re saying social conservatives will not vote for a candidate who will pass socially conservative policies, running on a socially conservative platform, because he himself is not socially conservative enough?
  
  Well that’s pretty silly. Saying “social conservatism was not on the ballot” is a blatant lie. Saying the GOP didn’t campaign on it is also a blatant lie. Saying Romney was not a conservative candidate is pretty much the only truth there.
  
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- spfoam1
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 10:46am
  It’s a shame so many of the religous right in this country think they are voting for a pastor and not a politician. You can’t win an election by pouting in the corner and refusing to vote because neither candidate sounds like they are speaking from the pulpit at church. A politician simply can not preach and have any chance of election with the media we have. If you don’t vote for the closest candidate to you, at least vote against the farthest one from you. Get off your self righteous aszes and vote. YOU put Obama in office.
  
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- thekuligs
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 10:57am
  Look, my husband and I are both in the generation they are talking about. It pretty much sucks being lumped in with, what did you call them? Welfare-ridden, godless fools? Because we aren’t; and neither are our other military family friends who are also in that generation. Especially because you know who raised these welfare-ridden, godless fools right?
  
  Yep, the television–likely your generation screwed up and that’s the reason mine is loaded with complete idiots. But pointing fingers does not help anyone.
  
  Here is my stance on social issues; I don’t give a flying fart about any of them that do not effect me directly. Which is few of them. I can not like them, they might not be for me, but I don’t want the government to tell me how to live my life or tell the people I disagree with how to live theirs.
  
  The only apprehension I have with that is, I don’t think the government knows how to stop. So say the Repub’s OK gay marriage; they shouldn’t be able to force chuches to marry them against their fath, or make bussiness bake a wedding cake with two dudes on top. That is the way Republicans should go forward with these hot button social issues. Do what you want, but leave people who disagree out of it. That is the way laws should be written, with further religious protection; as they don’t understand Seperation of Church and state AT ALL.
  
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- Locked
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 11:17am
  @Thekuligs
  
  Excellent post. This is exactly the kind of mindset that people in my generation need to promote among the millennials. Keep fighting the good fight; you guys are the future of our country!
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 11:36am
  There was family of 4 or 5 people murdered in a town about 50 miles south of where I lived. It happened in a small community of about 200 people. People were very concerned. Well duh!. That is not a news flash. People wondered a serial killer or a spree killer & were alarmed. When it was found out a day or so later that it was an ex boyfriend or an ex husband of woman living with her family, people were not as afraid. they were horrified about the crime & would certainly recommend stringing the guy up for his crime. They in no way condoned what he did. The point is that the crime was intra family.
  
  Consider abortion. If it happens in someone else’s family (who ever large or small that is), you should not be as concerned. Certainly, if the person asked you what you thought, you would tell them it was immoral & a mistake. There is a saying that “you can lead a horse to water but you cant’ make it drink”. And in many cases you shouldn’t try to force them. Sure you should make entreaties to them or to the public at large to not engage in such behaviour. But you cannot legislate all the morality that would be good to legislate due to resources & people resisting. If they try to affect your family, by letting your daughter get a secret abortion, then by all means legislate that. It affects your family. But if someone done the street want s an abortion & you are not their guardian or spouse, leave them to their foolishness.
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 11:47am
  In older traditional cultures, there is an implicit rule that parents take care of their kids while they are young & the kids take care of their aged parents later. Quaint I know. So many people nowadays are so much more sophisticated. Government will take care of them. Hello death panels. If you have a blood relative or very good friend watching out for you you will live linger. I have seen this for myself. Family & friends matter in terms of treatment given or withheld. I have an uncle who is hospice care. If not for his spouse, he would have been dead 2 years ago. Yes doctors would have treated him. But they would not have adjusted the medicine to find the right levels to keep him going 3 years. Is it worth it? Well he got to see a music festival, which was a 1st. He really traveled outside his home state in his prime. Then there were the keeping up on the miles tones of the grandkids. Ya it was worth it.
  
  If someone like Sandra Fluke aborts a kid because it convenient to do so or stays on birth control for 2 decades, because it is more important to have fun, fun , fun instead of raising a family, when she comes to her life’s end and she has nothing (except a gold watch) & no advocate, will you feel sorry for her? Many people will feel she got her just deserts. Other times they will feel sorry for a wasted life (trying to live up to the Christian ideal/ya we fall short more than once), but they will say that is what she sowed (karma).
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 11:49am
  You can lead a horse to water, but you can;t make it drink. Some morality you must legislate. Others you want to but can’t. Don’t do so. Consider being libertarian, but still leading a conservative life. Lead by example.
  
  When people ask you why you are successful or happy. Well you can tell them that it isn’t rocket science & they can do what you do.
  
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- icebergslim27
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 11:58am
  You just don’t get it. You and most social conservatives are just a different side of the same progressive coin. Obama wants socialism where the state replaces God. You want a theocracy where your views of morality are enshrined into law and therefore enforced by the barrel of a gun. Here’s my plea to social issue voters- Live and let live. I understand your stance against abortion and I see that there’s not much room for compromise on that issue. Although if you think people don’t have the right to use contraceptives you’ve lost me and your just as much a big government progressive as Obama. Gay marriage- Mind your own business. Look up Louis CK’s response to social conservatives about gay marriage to understand what most people feel. There’s no one in this country more distrustful of the government than young adults. I’m 31, we’re the ones fighting these never ending wars (Any coincidence that Ron Paul has such a following among us?). We’re the ones paying into a system (S.S.) that we know is broken and won’t be there for us when we get older. If the republican party wasn’t hijacked by the religious right and wasn’t view as insane by the majority of the youth this last election and every one going forward would be a landslide and would end the democratic party. If you keep dragging this party to the fringe right it will go the way of the wig party and the democrats will own this country for the foreseeable future.
  
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- AvengerK
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 12:09pm
  Here’s the problem THEKULIGS with your assessment.
  
  Sure..let homosexuals marry, ratify it at the federal level..at that point every state has to acquiesce. You may not like it as you said but because it doesn’t affect you directly..you don’t care. Social issues are not important right?
  
  Wrong.
  
  Here’s what will happen next. The obsessively litigous homosexual lobby will not say..”we got what we wanted all’s good”. They will then force every business and institution that refuses to recognize their fantasies into complying with them. They will cry “discrimination” with the protection of the federal govermnent and they will either “shame” or litigate the enterprise or institution into submission or oblivion. They already do this now…they won’t change with federal recognitions I assure you..they’ll only get more bold.
  
  “Garbage” you say..the constitution protects churches etc from doing things against their beliefs. Wrong again…I give you Obamacare and it’s “reproductive rights” mandates that force these institutions to pay for coverage for abortions etc. The left and the government only takes it doesn’t stop when it’s full because it’s never full. Still don’t care?
  
  This is a benighted generation that’s been told it’s the brightest generation- a dangerous thing. They’re denied both sides of the argument and the message of conservatism is poisoned before it even reaches them thanks to the education system and culture we
  
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- frust@ted
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 12:14pm
  The problem that the we have now is you have 2 strong factions of that usually vote republican. The social conservative and the fiscal conservative, these two factions are at war with eachother.
  
  We are fed up with eachother and want a divorce the social conservatives what the fiscal conservatives to get on board with their socail agenda or get out.
  
  The fiscal conservatives want the socail conservatives to drop the social issues and stick to fiscal issues.
  
  I’m of fiscal consrevatives who has grown tired of the social and am a libertarian, i don’t beleive we can save peoples soul’s through legislation.
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 12:16pm
  icebergslim27
  Your a libertarian. I got that. but never ending wars? Have you read history? Groups get attacked by other groups regardless if they have dealing with them, fair or not, or borders with with them since forever.
  
  We were attacked by radicals from Egypt & Saudi Arabia. What had we done? In Saudi Arabia we paid market prices for oil, which was more than what the British paid the Iranians (a 99 years fixed rate). ARAMCO was a joint Saudi/American Venture. We let them buy out the American oil companies. We might have made more money if we had said no, but we didn’t. ARAMCO is now totally Saudi Owned. It wasn’t several decades ago.
  In Egypt we told the French & British to leave the Suez Canal in the 1950s. We should get some credit from Egyptians.
  
  Instead we were attacked in 1993 at the World trade center..
  
  Also we saved Saudi Arabia from Iraq. So we were attacked by Usama. If it had not been Usama in 2001, Then Zawahiri or some other Egyptian would have tried again.
  
  It doesn’t matter if Usama had ever been born. The WTC was going to fall. Because groups are attacking & we pretend there is peace. The people at the Oklahoma City bombing believe that Iraq was behind it. It was only McVeigh? the Shah was installed in 1953 by 2 Intelligence Agencies (British & American). That coup had more than 1 father. OKC bombing could not have more than 1 father? Nichols made several trips to the Phillipines. It wasn’t to go whoring. We’ll be attacked
  
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- frust@ted
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 12:20pm
  It’s a shame so many of the religous right in this country think they are voting for a pastor and not a politician.
  
  that is a great line I’m stealing that from you. It exactly sums up how i feel. Unfortunetly i think that many socail conservatives our as facisit as the eco nazis are. By all means speak out on social issues tell peopel that you think is morally right or wrong, try to help people, but to pass laws to enforce your view of morality is facisim. I know it’s hard to hear but it is the truth.
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 12:29pm
  AvengerK
  I think there is some truth it what you say. Corporations already have gay social groups , just like they do for every other minority.
  
  They have DADT repeal. DOMA repeal might be a matter of time if more state recognize gay marriage. After DOMA, they want adoption rights. That should be the end of it. But since when is a progressive happy?
  
  I am sure Gays look out for their own in corporations & other organizations when it comes to promotions. I suppose when people in an organization do not socialize or associate enough with gays & treat them as interchangeable with everyone else there will be cries of discrimination. Of the boss goes out to eat with the staff, but not so much with a gay worker, or the conversation is perfunctory (“How is the weather” or How is your meal”), there will be cries of discrimination. Having observed enough people I am sure of that. People will literal record or take note of who attends social outing with others at work. They will take note of how much a person converses with another as opposed to someone else. They look at resumes & ways to Sunday & on the basis of that alone & not work output will sue. Of course assignments might be skewed subtly. There will be more lawsuits.
  
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- icebergslim27
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 12:48pm
  @ WALKABOUT- I am a libertarian (emphasis on lower case L). These instances you wrote about are poignant, but I think they both miss the mark. In Saudi Arabia and in Egypt we’ve been the benefactor of brutal regimes for several decades that has bought us a fair amount of animosity from their people. When Mubarak’s mukhabarat snatched someones father or son in the middle of the night for speaking out against him and made him “dissappear” that family rightfully so saw it as Americas puppet treating them horribly. I believe in blow-back, I believe we’ve stuck our noses into too many peoples affairs and supported evil people who did terrible things to their people. I don’t think in any way that justifies the attacks on our homeland, but I can understand why they hate us.
  
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- gz22ll
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 12:56pm
  Libertarianism is not the problem trying to control personal behavior that is no ones business is the problem. I don’t or will I do drugs but legalize drugs and those who chose to get no help from the government when they destroy their lives. Drug testing for all government benefits. Gay marriage personally I think is disgusting but no more than the Hollywood marriages that last 24-72 hours. Most peoples problem with gay marriage is the gay community will just shove it in people faces. How about a church that refuses to perform gay marriage – off to court to force it to perform the wedding. The problem is government trying to run everyone’s life when it can’t even produce or balance a budget. Abortion fix that in 5 minutes just televise a partial birth abortion and see how the discussion changes. Not an abortion nut but it seems reasonable there is a line that should not be crossed.
  
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- black9897
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 2:23pm
  @AVENGERK
  
  There’s a good chance they might do that. Hopefully most people, even those who strongly supported it would stand up against that. No one cares about the constitution anymore, even before Obamacare, so stuff like it is only going to become more common. Even though I don’t’ like it gay marriage should be legal. Although I’m hoping one day government won’t be involved in marriage.
  
  @BROTHER_ED
  
  They do need to be educated on supporting ALL freedoms, not just the ones they like.
  
  Libertarianism isn’t causing the message to be lost. Teaching morality belongs to families and the churches, not the government, thus Libertarianism actually puts that back to where it should be. The more people that take responsibility and understand it’s their job, not the Gov the better off we will be. Also, people thinking that because something is legal means it’s morally ok, and something illegal means it’s morally wrong. For some reason, so many people have this messed up thinking that as long as it’s legal it’s perfectly fine to do.
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 2:32pm
  icebergslim27
  Hosni Mubarak is the successor of Sadat who succeeded Nasser. Nasser was popular. Sadat was assassinated by the Muslim Brotherhood. For what? Getting the Sinai back. These people (not all Egyptians, but the MB) made up their mind back in the 40s & 50s that they hated us. The WTC bombing was in 1993. the planning & desire to blow it up started well before Mubarak had been in power for long. I am not so sure that Mubarak is that much more corrupt than European politicians or Americans.
  
  but from the summer of 1988, his premiership became increasingly clouded by controversy, as the Bank of Crete scandal exploded. In 1989, he divorced his wife Margaret Papandreou and married Dimitra Liani, while in the same year he was indicted by the Hellenic Parliament in connection with a US$200 million Bank of Crete embezzlement scandal, and was accused of facilitating the embezzlement by ordering state corporations to transfer their holdings to the Bank of Crete, where the interest was allegedly skimmed off to benefit PASOK, and possibly some of its highest functionaries.
  
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreas_Papandreou
  
  http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-12-03/former-greek-pm-g-paps-89-year-old-mother-said-have-700-million-swiss-bank-account
  
  700 million! Is she such a savvy investor? She went Monica on the professor.
  
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- e7705
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 2:56pm
  If I hear you saying that you, as a Christian, sat out the last election, were you surprised at the outcome? Did you not know that by not voting, you were in essence, voting for Obama, a far worse option than a Mormon (who loves Jesus)?
  
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- checkingbothsides
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 4:01pm
  And how old are you? You may be the fading demographic the article is talking about. For me, as Gen Y aged person, I could be swayed by the arguments for fiscal conservatism if they would forget about trying to legislate morality. I don’t believe in fiscal libertarianism, but I am surely a social libertarian.
  
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- SPIN_MD
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 4:04pm
  @Avergerk
  
  You are very correct in your assessment. The progressive agenda moves like a juggernaut. It is about power and control and is controlled by evil. There is nothing progressive or good about it. It is the same agenda from ages past….destruction of the human race.
  
  Take abortion or instance. Abortion on demand will remain just that. What will change is who is demanding. Obamacare will very soon demand you have an abortion, for a variety or reasons, whether or not you agree with or want it….for the good of the collective society of course.
  
  The LGBT agenda has NOTHING to do with marriage. It is solely about access to children. These people have to have access to children. The agenda is about three central things really. The marriage issue is a means to an end. The first thing is to teach homosexuality as natural and normal within the public school system. Thy already have this pretty much locked up. The second thing is to have pedophilia redefined as a sexual preference and not a sexual perversion like it was done with homosexuality in 1973. Then to have pedophilia taught in the public school system as natural and normal. The third is to have child molestation laws negated and eventually overturned. This will be easily accomplished because children will have already been taught that there is nothing wrong with having sexual intercourse with adults.
  
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- Git-R-Done
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 4:33pm
  Frust@ted – Who says that you can’t be both fiscally and socially conservative? That’s BS that they’re at war with each other.
  
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- KnightofChrist
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 4:35pm
  Should the Republican Party surrender the war against the mass murder of babies, the party of Lincoln will be dead. Or at least what the party of Lincoln is said to have stood for, life and freedom for all no matter who the person may be.
  
  During Lincoln’s day the Republican Party was in a similar way spilt on the social issues of the day, slavery. Just as now there were those that did not care about their fellow man being denied personhood and liberty. They wanted the abolitionists to drop the issue and just move on. Thank goodness the antiabortionist’s selfish, heartless and disgraceful position was not taken up by the Party and the abolitionist stance was adopted.
  
  Today the Party has a similar choice. Adopt the stance of selfish heartless cowards, or adopt the stance of the new abolitionist movement and for all men to be free.
  
  There will come a day when abortion is seen by most as evil and wrong just as most today see slavery as evil and wrong. History will judge those that wanted to drop the fight or approve the evil of murdering babies with disgrace, dishonor and disdain. Just as those who did nothing in the face of slavery or supported it are remembered.
  
  How will history remember and judge you? Will you fight for freedom for all or give into selfishness and dishonor.
  
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- ltb
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 4:42pm
  Obama did not win because Romney was too conservative, Romney lost because he was not conservative enough. I’ve made peace with the fact that God has turned America over to the Godless and that America is on the verge of collapse. 236 years ago God gave Christians an awesome country and he’s been merciful to us during the past 100 years, even though Christians allowed the Godless to creep into and take over all of our institutions. All good things must come to an end.
  
  Oh, and to the Godless parasites who think you’ve won a prize, you have no idea what you’re bringing upon yourselves. You’re like thieves who have broken into a house and are unaware that two Rottweilers are waiting for you in the dark.
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 5:00pm
  checkingbothsides
  
  For now at this age & maybe without a family or just starting one you are social libertarian. That is as old as politics itself. No shock there. There is the saying that “If you are young and not liberal, then you have no heart; but if you are old and not conservative, then you have no brain.”
  
  I’ve heard of teachers who had energetic young boys in their class, tell the parents & administration that their kids need to be put on Ritalin. They are not doctors or psychologists. Maybe there is not a enough recess time for a young boy or maybe the teacher has 1/2 the metabolism of a young kid & is a slug. At any rate their university education should have prepared them for such an occurrence & they should that they have no business suggesting or recommending drugs.education
  
  http://www.dadi.org/ritalin.htm
  
  Google this search string
  
  These same teachers will have some child education classes, some humanities classes including psychology while earning their degree. Some of these teachers are dumbazzes. The ones that will recommend Ritalin are the same ones that will think Little Johny is not learning because he is conflicted & he is gay & just doesn’t know it.
  
  Now tell me after a little more life experience that you won’t become more social conservative.
  Gen Y … consider this. there is nothing new under the sun so don’t consider yourself necessarily wiser than people who came before.
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 5:01pm
  User Profile: checkingbothsides
  Member Since: November 12, 2012
  
  One has to wonder
  
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- rdk
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 5:06pm
  I imagine you feel really good about supporting Obama.
  Personally, I suggest you may be somewhat of a buffoon, but what do I know?
  
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- BOUNCESoff
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 5:16pm
  People like SQUID, are what’s so very wrong with the Republicans. They claim to be Christians, but talk and act like anything but Christians. Stop making Christians look like mean evil bitter old people, because that is exactly how you all act and talk. Nothing gentle or heavenly ever comes from you Republicans. You go on Fox and all the other conservative shows sounding angry and prejudice. You all are chasing potential Christians away, because who wants to be a part of something that always seem to be bitter and mad at everything that has a differing view or opinion. You do not know these people, to call them welfare-ridden. Your life is such a sad sad state. I can just hear the anger and the defeat in your words Squidgy. Nothing that you say will change your bitterness, unless you are saying it to God, asking him to rid you of all the hate and give you tolerance and compassion for people.
  
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- AvengerK
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 5:54pm
  BLACK9897….here’s where I believe you’re missing my point. Clearly you understand that the left is obsessively litigious…that it will vengefully vilify and attack any institution or enterprise in the way of it’s agenda. You’ve seen this. You know this.
  If it was just a case of “hey..live and let live” I wouldn’t have an argument to present to you. But I know the left. I know it’s spite. It wouldn’t stop at recognizing homosexual marriage. Once ratified at the federal level it would then target any resistance to it and slowly and ruefully litigate and shame it into oblivion or silence.
  At this point they’ve actually taken away REAL and genuine rights of others. Have they not?
  I would hazard a guess that you’re black..then going back, your family would know what it’s like to live in silence and fear of a group that will gleefully attack you if you “don’t know your place”. This is what the homosexual lobby will do to any one that resists their agenda after any federal recognition of their fantasy takes place. They will cry “discrimination” and use the courts as a blunt weapon on anyone of conscience against their agenda. I’m certain of this because that’s exactly what they do today. They dominate the media and any dissenting voice is humiliated and silent. They are deemed a protected class and so have “special privilges”.
  So is giving them what they want really the answer or is it a death knell to true rights in this country?
  
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- AvengerK
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 6:12pm
  SPIN_MD…look no further than Obama’s very own Czar of Safe Schools (Orwell would be proud) Kevin Jennings. Jennings was a founder of GLSEN. GLSEN is the organization that recently stated it would like to see extreme sex acts like f#sting taught to school age children. Jennings of course had to distance himself from that in light of his proximity to Obama.
  Jennings also wrote about an incident as a school teacher where he was approached by a boy he believed was underage who was going to public venues to get sex from older men. Instead of getting the boy’s parents involved, he suggested that the boy wear condoms.
  Jennings is an admirer of Harry Hay. Harry Hay is a proponent of NAMBLA.
  It is imperative to the homosexual lobby that their sexual mores and proclivities are seen as normal and harmless for some of the reasons you mentioned earlier. This what GLSEN is working towards. This is what “It gets better” project mastermind and lefty attack dog Dan Savage is aggressively working towards. He even has a reality show on MTV that lets him troll around college campuses to talk to nineteen-year-olds about kinky sex.
  But don’t mention that Savage and his kind make up 61% of new HIV cases each year..but comprise merely 0.7% of the population. Do the math. No..you can’t say that because homosexuals are “normal” and also a protected class. I know what I just said there..yet that’s what the left wants you to believe and the benighted generation buys it.
  
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- Git-R-Done
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 6:47pm
  Bouncesoff – Excuse me if Christianity doesn’t follow the tolerance dogma. Funny how your side claims to be tolerant and accepting when you’re anything but that. You’re not wiser or smarter or more enlightened than the older generations you insult and berate.
  
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- Marine25
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 6:48pm
  @walkabout
  You disregard someone’s commentary because they haven’t been at the Blaze long enough? Seems to be, among ‘conservatives’, an epidemic of purging and alienating anyone who isn’t in lockstep with the most parroted opinions. The tea partiers and the GOP alienate all potential recruits and more often than not, purge their own; RINO. The party is shrinking, the data proves that, but who would really want to be a member of a party with so many, you know, voters.
  
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- frust@ted
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 7:16pm
  git-r-done
  
  I’m sure there are people that are both. But when it comes down to decide which canidate you like more do you lean more for the soical or fiscal conservative. I always lean to the fiscal which is why canidates like Santorum don’t appeal to me.
  
  There is plenty of infighting between the 2 factions look no further than these message boards.
  
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- Git-R-Done
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 7:57pm
  Frust@ted – I supported Michele Bachmann, who is both. Reagan was both a fiscal and social conservative.
  
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- glassaudioguy
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 8:25pm
  @ all those who think you could legalize same sex marriage and still not force churches who don’t believe in it to participate: you’re on a fool’s errand. It’ll NEVER happen. The militant gays will make sure of that by legal slight of hand, if nothing else, claiming discrimination.
  
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- jenk99
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 8:53pm
  I do not think we should give up social issues, the democrats do not.
  The Republicans need to be better equipped to handle the abortion “gotcha” questions.
  
  The reality is, abortion is not the biggest threat to us at the moment. Hear me out. I am 100% pro life. However, I understand the reality of the battle at this point. We have to adjust our plan and priorities. If we are staring communism in the face, we will be busy trying to save the people who have already been born, From starvation. The number one priority is to get these creeps out of power. Then we can fight the abortion battle. If we do not get them out of power, we will NEVER, EVER win the abortion battle.
  
  Fight abortion a different way. Do what the left has done. Get back in the schools and push a prolife stance, get the message back in that abortion is murder, use the weapons they have used. But don’t make banning it an issue. Banning things doesn’t stop them from happening. I mean we already banned murder and people are murdered every day. We have to change the way people see abortion. Not legislate it for them. That is how we win this battle on abortion. Until people really understand, they will just see it as the religious right in their uterus again. We are totally going about this battle to save the unborn the wrong way.
  
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- Git-R-Done
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:25pm
  Bouncesoff – You might want to read Matthew 7:13-14 and you’ll see why the tolerance dogma doesn’t fit in with Christianity. Christianity isn’t about you feeling good about yourself and getting to do whatever you want. It’s about a set of principles and standards that you’re supposed to live out (and tolerance is NOT one of those standards).
  
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- iguana
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:44pm
  And there we have it folks. We won’t even try to understand the next generation. Just keep on complaining and pining for the old days and the way things were. Don’t even try to understand, just keep your eyes on what always has been for you. And this is what will keep the democrats in power. Think Obama’s win was bad? How does, possibly, 8 years of Hillary Clinton following up Obama sound. If the Republicans don’t get a handle on how to reach younger voters and large voting blocks like Latinos (the blacks, in my opinion are largely a lost cause to the Democrats) with what the Republican message really is (and not what the Democrats or the Media want to tell everybody it is), they (Republicans) will continue to lose. Instead of criticizing the next generation and finding wrong at every step, how about taking time to actually LISTEN TO WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY, you might be surprised, you might find you even have something in common with them. Find out.
  
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- Lex_Talionis
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:57pm
  This principle is clearly seen in what the legal field refers to as the “General Police Powers”. That is, the several states are the only governmental entities that can create laws for the purpose and promotion of the health, safety, welfare(quality of life, not government handouts), as well as, MORALITY of its citizens.
  
  I believe the problem that we face with abortion, is one created by taking away plenary power from the states, and deciding the issue by federal edict (through improper use of the United States Supreme Court). Consequently, the issue of morality and fiscal conservatism actually have the same root problem. That problem, of course, is over centralization of the government.
  
  I have no problem adhering to a moral code. In fact, I believe one thrives under morality. That being said, I believe that it must be addressed in the proper governmental sphere; that of the governments with plenary power, the states. I believe that the purest form of our Representative Republic was and is divinely inspired. I believe in natural law.
  
  However, the form of our government has become perverted. The root problem is centralization, turning to the government as an end-all-be-all solution for any problem. The fact of the matter is, we need to find a better way to communicate our principles. Instead of “talking at each other”, we should delve into the root cause of our current predicament; and then seek to find sensible solutions to those problems.
  
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- Lex_Talionis
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:58pm
  I don’t blame one generation for the current state of our government. Indeed, this is a struggle that has existed since our nation’s birth. The question of how much power government should wield; has been with us since that time. Unfortunately, it appears the collectivists, progressives, or those seeking a centralized government are winning. Yet, their victory is not set in stone; and it is not too late to address this staggering problem that threatens the very life of our Republic.
  
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- black9897
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 10:55pm
  @AVENGERK
  
  Most likely yes it would do that. The thing is, there’s not a chance (at least at this point) of it stopping. Even if you’re correct, which I think there is a very good chance you will be right, it’s going to happen. That’s why I’m not going to fight it on the legal level because nothing will stop it. That’s why I want government out of marriage so badly.
  
  Oh, I’m actually a white guy btw. Sorry if the name fooled you.
  
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- Git-R-Done
  Posted on December 6, 2012 at 12:36am
  Iguana – Funny how you’re saying that the older generation should listen to the younger generation when you don’t tell the same thing to the younger generation that they need to listen to the older generation. It’s a two way street in case you missed it.
  
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- NukeHaze
  Posted on December 6, 2012 at 12:42am
  None of this speculation of the youth vote matters if the election was won through fraud via the George Soros machine. The polls all used 2008 numbers instead of 2010 voter turn uot where WE won the biggest upset from liberalism to conservatism in my lifetime. I would be willing to say that seeing the purging that is taking place by the GOP of the Tea Party candiudates now by Bohner and associates that they, too, were complicit in it and would not prosecute this fraud anyway because the real people of this country actually rose up and made an unexpected difference. Now, you see that the emperor is effectively saying, along with his msm stormtroopers that they have squashed our insignificant rebellion. Mytheos, you are missing the point or evading it for reasons unknown but most importantly you are passing this data along without its full context. Inaccurate data, no matter how well intentioned or how detailed it iswould have a much higher margin of error if you do not include essential factors that could grossly change the margin of error in your surveys. If someone gives you data and says analyze it and you assume that it is accurate (e.g. all polling samples from this cycle even gave democrats average +10% sampling when conservatives were usually up 5% in likely and more in registered voters, and use models from voter turnout 4 years ago not considering the change in demographic of awakend grass root voters such as 2008) you cannot accurately predict margin of error.
  
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- NukeHaze
  Posted on December 6, 2012 at 12:52am
  There were certainly a lot more conservative involved youth in this time around.
  To say that Romney was a big fat moderate on social issues is a stretch in my opinion. I do believe more people had a problem with him being a Mormon than who will admit. Would be ironic, though, if it is only because they see Harry Reid as an example of a typical Mormon in politics. Romney is the political opposite of Reid. I know I have heard anti-Mormon propaganda that was just outright false preached from the pulpit throughout the South in the Bible belt for years and IF, the nembers are not as fraudulent as I believe they really are, and like some of you say that you stayed home or voted for third party for distrust of Romney and IF you think you are the real Christian base, then you do not know any Mormons and your problem may stem from your own prejudices. Of course, I am not judging you but just making an observation of behaviour that may be explained by the sum of these other observations. Then again, I also do not believe that anyone can make a decision to do anything without exercising some form of judgement or discernment beforehand. Romney is a decent guy and would have been good for the country and economy. He hasn’t taken a tough enough stand on the social issues because he “had to work with 83% democrat congress in Massachussetts”. His words therefore haunt him when he made promises to be elected there. His personal and religious views are certainly far more conservative.
  
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- liltexasgal
  Posted on December 6, 2012 at 2:21am
  Not to vote is to vote. Not to speak is to speak
  
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- shorelineliz
  Posted on December 6, 2012 at 4:35am
  You are copping out. YOu don’t like what candidate gets put up so you stay home and do nothing. This is worse than anything I have ever heard because you don’t actively oppose the one clear evil we see. That is Barack Obama. You’re a Christian right? You are supposed to FIGHT EVIL! Get off the couch and do it or relegate yourself to the back corner of the most lazy bunch of couch potato whiners ever who have no moral courage to stand on. You guys need to STOP praying in a stupid corner in your houses and get off your damn butts and vote! You don’t deserve to be citizens of America if you are just going to whine about how some GOP candidate isn’t conservative enough. It is your damn fault we have Obama. GEt up off your butts you idiots and get rid of these damn Democrats and stop worrying about anything else. You guys make me want to puke!
  
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- U4eeeahhh
  Posted on December 6, 2012 at 7:47am
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  so, far out of sequence
  @SPIN_MD – Your conspiracy fantasy, “LGBT agenda has NOTHING to do with marriage. It is solely about access to children” is one of the most absurd propositions I have ever read on this web site, and that is an achievement all by itself. You suggest that the entire LGBT community and all their supporters are about nothing but a pedophile’s desires for sex with younger partners? That is just ridiculous and really means you know no LGBT people. An often touted study is one that shows 25-40% of men attracted to children prefer boys and since gays are a small percentage of the population that implies a high propensity to gay child abuse but that it not an accurate use of the statistics and it ignores the inverse portion of the stat that as much as 75% of men attracted to children prefer GIRLS! So actually co-educational schooling has been a gigantic heterosexual conspiracy to gain access to pretty young things all along.
  
  SPIN-MD – You might as well be speaking about the tribal habits of pre-colonization Australian Aborigines as I sure you know as much about them as you do LGBT culture in 21st Century America.
  
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- totheRepublic14
  Posted on December 6, 2012 at 8:35am
  I am 15 years old. I was heartbroken when Romney lost because I knew what this meant for my generation and the next generations. To all you Republicans and Libertarians who didn’t vote because Romney was not “Conservative enough” I hope you enjoy Obama cause you’re what got him elected. Hope there will be an election for me to vote in when I am eligible.
  
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- checkingbothsides
  Posted on December 6, 2012 at 3:54pm
  I’m afraid I don’t see what how long I’ve been on the site has to do with anything. I’m not a troll (somebody who posts inflammatory commentary to get a rise out of somebody) I just have a different opinion. And my opinion, as one of the target demographics they’re talking about, is I want the government out of my personal business and to concentrate entirely on fiscal issues and foreign affairs.
  
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- Mulder1
  Posted on December 6, 2012 at 4:34pm
  You right wing idiots are the reason why the Dems control the Senate and the Presidency. You won’t vote for any Republican unless he agrees with you 100% on the issues. So now we have a far left President and a left wing Senate. Great going guys. You won’t be satisfied until the Dems control the House too. As this article points out, they younger generation is more liberal on social issues than any other. If the GOP goes to the far right, the party is doomed.
  
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- scarydave
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 2:29am
  Hey Squidvetohio,
  There are two things I would like to ask you to consider. As someone that agrees with about 99% of your comment about this post, I don’t understand why so many Christians sat this one out. So here’s question # 1… With the knowledge of how bad an Obama presidency is for society on a moral level, why would you not at least come out and vote AGAINST him?
  Now for my second question. This one will be a little tricky because I don’t know if you are a Ron Paul supporter (I’m hoping not). Question # 2… Since you now know I’m against sitting-out an election, what sort of 3rd party would you vote for?
  Thanks.
  
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- zorro
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 9:34am
  It’s amazing to me how stupid Republicans and Conservatives are. They are being played by liberals like fiddles creating this social vs. fiscal war among them. You are allowing the party to be split because your’re too stupid to see they are both equally important. Social voters stayed home. How’d that work out for you?
  
  I really like Rand Paul’s idea of letting Democrats pass their tax hike and come hell or high water, they own it. Likewise, I say to Republicans, lose the social issues. Go ahead! Drop them from your platform! But come hell or high water, YOU own it.
  
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- zorro
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 9:39am
  “ltb
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 4:42pm
  Obama did not win because Romney was too conservative, Romney lost because he was not conservative enough.”
  
  Exactly.
  
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cdb
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:20am
How about we quit with the republican/democrat crap all together. This country is being led down the European path to economic destruction. This is no longer a war between political parties, it is a war between the producers and the consumers. Those who work and pay taxes against those who do nothing and suck the money out of our pockets every day. Their is no way Obama should have ever been reelected. If all the people who are being forced to pay for his wasted stimulus crap, and all the other things he had done wasting our tax dollars, would bond together as a united force of tax paying voters, we could get this country back too what it should be instead of a wet nurse for everyone who just wants to sit and do nothing but collect their money, cell phones, etc, from the government. Simple question. Do you want to be able to do what you want, when you want to, or do you prefer that the government gets to tell you what you can do, and when you can do it? That is the choice approaching us very soon. Choose wisely.

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- brother_ed
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:44am
  @CDB
  
  Though you are right, most people won’t know that until it is too late.
  
  By then, the history books will have been rewritten and any evidence of a prosperous life will be deleted.
  
  The takers are in control now.
  
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- encinom
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 10:52am
  No its a war between the paranoid, vocal, idiots of the Tea Party and the rational, intelligent Americans. the tea party is proving that they represent the uneducated, loud mouth, uncles.
  
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- sleepnomore
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 11:54am
  Very well said! I totoallly agree w/u. These waste of space jolkers make me sick. It was a simple election—one-FREEDOM, two-communism, that is it. So 4 all those stupid ppl., who choose not to vote-thanks I hope it is YOU they take first! I sayy- ntime to get OUR country back, and soon, time is waisting, and we are out of it. Blood baths r coming- shame, but mulem brothers r doing a hell of a job-and do not think barry isn not one of them—do homework, you’ll find all you need—for lying to the American people, Impeach is my vote-he lied, over and over again, still is. He wants the cliff, he is here to destroy us, period! Did u know Valerie Jarad–she does the deciding there, his buddy, we even (taxes( paid for her daughter’s wedding security!! Yes, that is what I heard- one hun dred thousand dollars for security for her daughter/s wedding! Only noone knows about that either, media—-should be in jail-talk about lies,and corruption, I say DO NOT WATCH CHANNELS CBC,NBC,abc,all but Fox, good luck to all.
  
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- RLTW
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 11:57am
  enc
  
  Progressives operate from the ideology of collective mass-mindedness = collectivism, this fact alone makes rational and intelligent impossible, a mob is just a mob.
  
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- encinom
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 12:45pm
  Look at the mindless rants of Sleepnomore and others push Fox News talking points and conspiracy theories. Look at the vote in the Senate regarding whether or not the US would take a leadership role in the world with regards to rights for the disabled. The tin foil crowd, the John Birch Society, that once great minds like William F. Buckley kept out, have now taken over the asylum and infected the GOP with their insanity.
  
  Beck has found a way to market this paranoid craziness to the undereducated trailer dwellers that make up his remaining audience.
  
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- RLTW
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 12:52pm
  Quite the meaningless rant there encnom you seem to be all over the board only proving the tinfoil hat belongs to you.
  
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- Amarath01
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 2:10pm
  Well when your wrong (rep.s) it hard to trick people into believing your right … unless your offering a free lunch and well the dem.s do that better. So the Rep.s should get RIGHT or just quit because they are not offering anything the dem.s are nbot already offering but more. (They have no fiscal responsibility, the only thing they trade well in is rhetoric, hate, and fear… not the best platform [sure, dem.s do the same but they also give more free stuff away]).
  
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- Fubared
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 3:20pm
  I picture a propeller on encinomom’s tin foil hat. And heels and lots of Mary Kay, sure.
  
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- Wisdom7
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 6:44pm
  Conquer and divide. This is what is happening here.
  
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- teapartyguardian
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:43pm
  Stolen elections have consequences……stock up, prepare for a long hard winter.
  
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denkat56
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:13am
These people actually think they can run the country.

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kdshell1
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:11am
“If there is any group that is absolutely necessary for Republicans to win, it is the” hard-working, get-out-the-vote base, social conservatives. Without them, the Republican Party will go the way of the Whigs and cease to exist. Social conservatives vote for socially conservative candidates and are at the heart of conservatism itself in all its forms. If the Republican Party abandons social conservatism, the major defining aspect of the party, then it will continually lose out. MORALITY FIRST, or all else is in vane.

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- SquidVetOhio
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:23am
  Spot on.
  
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- TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:28am
  Aye !
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:30am
  Constitution first, all else is progressivism
  
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- justangry
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:33am
  Pfft… Progressives. You’re like the angry old spinsters at the Seneca Falls Convention. Same platform really. Go get some Midol and chillax.
  
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- longknifed
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:45am
  It was the progressives that launched prohibition against alcohol and certain drugs, while promoting tobacco because they didn’t know it was harmful too. Then they started temperance movements and laws against that too.
  
  Notice how “libertarian” reagan created drunk driving and BAC laws? Then bush created Medicare part D? Painkillers cause more death than alcohol and recreational drugs combined. Why would they do it then? All progressivism all the time in order to destroy limited government by obfuscating its citizens.
  
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- TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 10:03am
  JUST. You ever been to Seneca Falls? Used to go there back in the day. Seneca Army Depot. Nice area. You ‘ought to visit… lot’s of history in that area. Or don’t they let you out for day trips any longer??
  
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- Locked
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 10:03am
  “Social conservatives vote for socially conservative candidates and are at the heart of conservatism itself in all its forms.”
  
  So our choice is big government with the Democrats who will take care of people in order to buy their votes, or big government with the Republicans who will legislate morality in order to bribe those who want religious theocracy?
  
  Huh. Looks like neither party wants to campaign based on adherence to the Constitution, individual responsibility, or a balanced budget. Consider this: the youngsters so many posters here are mocking will be running the country when our generation is gone. The best thing we can do is leave the country in a better state than it’s in right now… and the GOP is currently not doing that with its big-government policies.
  
  It seems to me that the GOP is fixated on the past, crying about the present, and basically saying “F U” to the future. Is it any wonder that the party is not connecting with young voters?
  
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- Git-R-Done
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 4:37pm
  Locket – Yet the young generation wants their government freebies. In other words, they want to have their cake and eat it too.
  
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- Nevertakecandyfromsocialists
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 5:26pm
  “Our Constitution was made for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” _John Adams
  
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- justangry
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 6:17pm
  I love the way the statists always quote Adams, owner of the Alien Sedition Act, rather than Jefferson or Madison.
  
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- resme
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 7:13pm
  ““Our Constitution was made for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” _John Adams”
  
  Should have told that to Johnny as he imported whores, lol.
  
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- Locked
  Posted on December 6, 2012 at 9:37am
  @Git
  
  “Yet the young generation wants their government freebies. In other words, they want to have their cake and eat it too.”
  
  Is our generation any different? WE (or at least the candidates that WE voted in) bankrupted social security, but WE still expect to get a check upon retirement, right? Our generation caused the Great Recession. Our generation is the one responsible not only for all the good things, but the bad ones… and the bad ones are piling up day after day. And you think we should complain about the kids who are left with the mess and haven’t even had a chance to make an impact yet?
  
  That kind of attitude is why the younger generation is angry at us.
  
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mizzouwendy
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:05am
I’m a Gen Xer and I have to agree about the social issues……..actually they need to be out of poltics completely. I don’t understand why in the world gay marriage, abortions on demand, etc. are even part of “politics.” They have NO place in government. Very simple, get gov’t out of the business of marriage and stop funding abortions with taxpayer money…….pretty damn simple. If you want an abortion pay for it yourself or get a charity to pay for it if you can’t afford it…….get the gov’t out of it. I have NEVER understood why in the world this is even an issue that is brought up every single Presidential election…..it is like some sick obsession. GOP needs to become the party of fiscal conservatism and be more Libetarian, socially toleratant, fiscally conservative. The gov’t has NO business in the bedroom………period. Whether you are **** or heterosexual. REally the whole gay marriage movement is about benefits and insurance benefits…….if the gov’t were smart and give the taxbreaks to me instead of my employer, gay marriage probably wouldn’t be that big of an issue. It is all about benefits and money. Call it a civil union, in realtion to hetero and **** instead of marriage, in relation to the gov’t and if a couple wants to get “married” it is done through their church. If they don’t have a church, mosque, synogoug, they have a civil union. Gov’t needs to keep its nose out of these things…..pure and simple.

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- Gold Coin & Economic News
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:16am
  Sorry dude, there is NO issue more important, more basic and more sacred than LIFE itself. Life begins at conception and abortion needs to be ABOLISHED completely. If we can not protect the most innocent amongst us, we cannot and do not deserve protection for the rest of us.
  
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- TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:16am
  “GOP needs to become the party of fiscal conservatism and be more Libetarian, socially toleratant, fiscally conservative.”
  
  True Conservatives have no use for the slippery slope of Liberal-tarianism except for the fiscal responsibility portions. Liberal-tarianism is just that… thrifty-Liberalism. Possibly a quicker ride off the cliff of moral bankruptcy and a society full of self-important loners who have no use for the rest of society except where making $$ is concerned.
  
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- SquidVetOhio
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:26am
  Same argument was made about slavery. Just let the south deal with it. It doesn’t affect us.
  
  Abortion is today’s slavery. I contend it’s worse. At least the slave could try to escape and were allowed to live. The baby has no such luxury.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:41am
  Either amend the Constitution or make it a state issue. We see the results of decades of empty morality rhetoric – at the end of the day it is a political ploy for republican party and gives them cover for financial irresponsibility
  
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- term limits for congress
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:49am
  The dims control the game and the language. The dims create the straw-man social issue. Diane Sawyer and The View gals repeat it as truth. The repubes willingly take the other side and get suckered every time.
  
  Sandra Flucke (war on women), Romney killed my wife, Bain malisciously closed my company, GOP wants dirty air/water, rich vs. middle class, GOP are war mongers, etc. Until the GOP learns how to effectively play the game, they’re done. They need to play the same tools (D. Sawyer/The View) and get the dims on the defensive.
  
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- Marine25
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:51am
  Good comments Mizzou. Seems to me this new right wing can’t leave those issues alone because they can’t stand the thought of people they consider ‘inferior’ or ‘immoral’ exercising freedom without their consent. The tea-party will state repeatedly that they are only about fiscal issues, but they are obsessed with social issues, can’t stand the thought of anyone disagreeing with their morality. It is sad really, that the GOP has to go down like this, to these people.
  
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- olderjarhead
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:55am
  I totally agree. Gay marriage as a political issue is one big fat loser, and will become more of a loser as time goes on. Why is the goverment in the business of sanctioning any marriage? Abortion also is a big fat loser. The act of abortion is a sick, twisted act; but it is settled law. Let states change abortion laws, if their citizens want. Having said that, I think there is a correlation of abortion to crime rates, based on the demographics of who gets abortions. Legalizing marijuana is another loser. I think the motivation to keep drugs illegal, is for politicians to keep funding the military industrial complex, here at home. The war on drugs is a joke, and it keeps militarizing local law enforcement. Republicans as a party, want the same thing democrats want; more of your money to buy votes with, and enrich themselves, and family, and friends, and give to other people. The whole proccess is one big fat joke. Does it really make much of a difference who is in office? I would argue, not much. Its the system that is broken.
  
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- KGray
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 10:12am
  Abortion and gay marriage were made an issue by liberals in the 1960′s. If you don’t think that human life is worth fighting for on a national scale, then it shows how far down our culture has fallen.
  
  Gay marriage was embraced by the left as a strategy to gain political clout and to destroy the moral foundation of America. Lenin and Stalin both declared the need to destroy morality in the US as a means of destroying the country. This is the problem with the new generation of Republicans. YOU DON’T KNOW HISTORY!!!!
  
  Part of the reason you don’t know history is because of the socially liberal Republicans that have held control of the Republican Party for over 70 years. The need to fight for morality in this country has never been more urgent! But conservatives were not the ones who put morality on the political chopping block. Liberals did that.
  
  Gay marriage is being used as a tool to strip conservatives (especially Christians) of their Constitutionally protected freedom! Don’t believe me? Explain why gays insist on pushing Christian churches to perform gay marriage. And if the church says no, gays march them into court. Same with Christian owned businesses.
  
  And for abortion? Give up on infants?! Seriously?! I just saw a little infant onsie online that said “Now that I’m safe, I’m Pro-Choice”. That is the epitamy of sadism. And that is the most accurate definition of liberals.
  
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- Locked
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 10:31am
  @KGray
  
  “And if the church says no, gays march them into court.”
  
  Show one example of this, please. Just one, where a gay couple sued a church to have them perform a marriage ceremony and won. I believe you’re making things up.
  
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- olderjarhead
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 10:34am
  @KGRAY-
  There is a difference between your personal moral beliefs, and politics, The dems just happen to be better politicians. And why should gay marriage, or any other marriage matter to me? Why should government sanction any marriage? Why should a single taxpayer be penalized by higher tax rates for not having children, while paying taxes to fund schools for kids they don’t have, for parents who pay a smaller tax burden? Is that fair?
  
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- Oldmantex
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 12:51pm
  This thread is a perfect collection of republicans with completely differing opinions of where the party should go. What is so sad about it is those of you pushing morality through law neither understand the Constitution, the founding fathers, or Jesus Christ.
  
  You are so blinded by your desire to MAKE people act like you, you expose your complete ignorance.
  
  First the constitution provides for the opportunity for everyone to be happy, its called States Rights, and these moral issues should be handled at that level and let people of each state live as they choose. Republicans wanting federal law to trump state law to push a moral agenda, are no better than the Dems doing the same thing.
  
  Second the founding fathers set up our constitution like this on purpose, do any of you remember what they were coming here for? Yes to ESCAPE religious persecution, the VERY thing you are trying to re-establish. Thats the reason they made it so STATES make the decision so laws can change over time as the peoples ideas/morals/beliefs change.
  
  Finally Jesus, if he acted like any of you, he would have commanded the Apostles to over throw the Romans and Jewish leaders and implement his laws/beliefs/forms of justice. Funny I dont remember him commanding an over throw of government to implement a moral society. In fact I recall that if you witness to people and they choose not to believe you knock the dust off your feet as a testimony against them and move on.
  
  Good luck GOP, u need it.
  
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- TMOverbeck
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 2:44pm
  My thoughts exactly, OldManTex. Whatever floats your boat, as long as you don’t poke holes in mine.
  
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- CobraBill
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 4:02pm
  With abortions at the rate of 5,000 a day, 1.300,000 a year. Social conservatives stayed and didn’t vote for Romney because he was not good enough. In turn let Obama win a 2nd term who will most likely put another left wing abortion rights supporter as SCOTUS judge. God knows what other leftest decisions they will spew out. Not to mention……………….
  Obama will ruin our economy even more, let the EPA run wild with regulations that will make the cost of electricity skyrocket. Put thousands and thousands out of work.
  
  I just want to say thank you. Thanks for not looking at the big picture.
  Future abortion blood is on your hands now. May God forgive you.
  What the hell were you people thinking? Never mind, you weren’t.
  
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- alinmatt
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 4:36pm
  @oldmantex, well said.
  
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- SimpleTruths
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 4:38pm
  GOLD COIN & ECONOMIC NEWS
  Wrong – life exists before conception.
  
  Sperm and ovum are not alive? What about the cells that create sperm and ovum, are they not living things too? Are you so sure you know when life begins? You may be a murderer and not even realize it.
  
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- Git-R-Done
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 4:50pm
  Simplelies – We protect human lives while you Marxists want to kill them since babies get in the way of you Marxists getting to have “fun.”
  
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- dflocks80
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 11:32pm
  @ Squid
  
  So the taking of 600,000+ lives was the morally correct way of dealing with slavery in America?
  
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- alinmatt
  Posted on December 6, 2012 at 10:45am
  @dflocks, I’d like to point out that the US was the only nation in history to have a war to end slavery. All other nations managed to do it peacefully. Slavery would have died out on its own in a short period of time due to its ineffeciencies and the industrial revolution, meanwhile, the constitution and state’s rights would have remained in tact. But how dare I criticize.
  
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progressiveslayer
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:04am
Left right ‘D’ or ‘R’,whatever your politics is this government is too big and it took the R’s and the D’s to get us here. The welfare state is alive and well,do you see anyone trying to dismantle the welfare state?
No,what you do see is dems wanting to increase the size and scope of the welfare state and the republicans not even making a token gesture to limit it’s growth.The warfare state is alive and well also,we have Barry thumping his chest and threatening Syria,do you see any republicans saying we should stay out of Syria? My point is we essentially have one party,the big government party,the democrat wing seeks to expand the size of the welfare state,class warfare etc. and the republican wing seeks to expand the warfare state,actually both wings do this and several unconstitutional wars etc.

Both wings agree on destroying our civil liberties,patriot act,NDAA,drones over the continental U.S, warrantless wiretapping etc. Two wings of one big government party and the answer is limited government, a government that governs within the bounds of the constitution and adheres to our founders and their ideas of limited government.

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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:53am
  Its amazing that so many republicans would rather see gays punished instead of abolishing the federal welfare system…. Seems like getting rid of welfare system would kill 5 birds with one stone – but who’s counting
  
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- olderjarhead
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:58am
  You are so correct in your analysis. A two headed, one party system is what we have.
  
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Big Media Bias
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:02am
These liberal youth have ZERO understanding of finances, let alone social issues. They follow Democrat politicians into suicidal death. F ‘em. No matter what you do or say, they will continue to be Obama Zombies.

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- olderjarhead
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 10:07am
  Its assumptions like that will cost the GOP. So your tact would be to wave the white flag, and have the dems capture that block for generations? Very short sighted. There is a huge block of younger folks who are libertarian, not liberal progressives. But then again libertarians scare conservatives, because they live outside the plantation.
  
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- checkingbothsides
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 4:17pm
  Yes, please, give up on my generation. You can’t win. Lol at you people shooting yourselves in the foot rather than try to win elections. As a great bald liberal analyst once said, “It’s the economy, stupid!”
  
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- dflocks80
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 4:24pm
  All of the youth are not liberal. In fact, the ones who actually pay attention to politics, and will likely be the next crop of business owners, leaders, and politicians, are pretty libertarian. We (yes, I’m one of them) are fantastic examples of hard-lined, principled fiscal conservatives, the kind the older Repubs clamor for every time we talk of balancing a budget.
  
  You’d think that given our admirable fiscal stance, we’d be welcomed in with arms wide open by the older Repubs, but instead we’re chastised. Some people feel that for whatever reason, since Liberal and Libertarian begin with the same 5 letters, they are the same (Liberal-tarian is probably the stupidest insult I have ever heard).
  
  Guess what? Most of us are not gay. Most of us do not use drugs. Most of us would never even consider an abortion in a non-life threatening situation. However, we recognize that any avenue of control given to the government, whether it is in the fiscal or social realm, has the potential to lead to its dangerous growth. Embrace us, and the Dems are finished. Keep hypocritically disparaging us, and you’ll be stuck as a loser for the foreseeable future.
  
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- Git-R-Done
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 4:43pm
  Dflocks80 – It’s been even worse to have all of those things you want legalized. If the younger generation is willing to vote Democrat just b/c of social issues but claim to be fiscal conservatives, it really shows that they don’t care about fiscal conservatism after all.
  
  And the younger generation isn’t getting married or having children, so how will your utopian society survive?
  
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- dflocks80
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 5:19pm
  @ Git-R-Done
  
  The “young people willing to vote Democrat” thing is not as cut and dry as you make it. I routinely vote Republican (I did in ’08, ’10, and ’12, the only years I’ve been old enough to do so) because of their fiscal responsibility. This does not mean I don’t care about social issues, because frankly I’m disgusted at many of the bigots that put an “R” after their name. I have to pick the lesser of two evils, and I judge that to be the GOP. Other people do the opposite, voting Democrat but wishing for financial sensibility. Others vote Paul/Johnson, and others still simply sit out. The thought that we’re all a bunch of whiny, demanding libs to be courted is ridiculous.
  
  Many of us would be happy to get married and have children, but frankly, we can’t afford it. Gone are the days when you can marry your high school sweetheart, get a nice, entry level job with a high school diploma or less, and have several kids. We’re forced into a society that puts an inappropriate amount of importance on college and titles. This is the society the boomers left us, not something we made. To even have a shot at a comfortable family life, we are basically forced to supplement our inadequate public K-12 education at the cost of expensive college. Once we pay those loans back, then we think about marriage and kids.
  
  Finally, the only “utopia” is the one the social conservatives speak of, where no one is gay, a drug user, or non-Christian. My generation speaks from
  
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- Git-R-Done
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 6:51pm
  Deflock80 – Someone who studied history and sociology would see that homosexuality and drug addiction are disasters for society. Explain why homosexuals and bisexuals have higher STD rates than heterosexuals. Why are areas where drug use is rampant crime ridden and have low property values? Why are non-Christians trying to eradicate freedom of religion?
  
  Even the older people encountered this diversity that you embrace and they see it as a disaster b/c they haven’t been brainwashed by the media and academia.
  
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- dflocks80
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 11:28pm
  @Git-R-Done
  
  High STD rates among the homosexual community are a product of increased promiscuity, some STD’s having higher transmission rates through the rectum versus the ******* lining, and being less likely to utilize certain protection because pregnancy is not a risk. However, if they’re not forcibly rubbing bodily fluids on you, then you are at no risk of contracting these things, so why do you care?
  
  Drugs are artificially high in value because they are illegal (much like alcohol was during prohibition). Therefore, they are utilized as a “get rich quick” scheme by those in areas of poverty. Drugs don’t bring in poverty, poverty brings in drugs.
  
  We already have Constitutional protections in place to keep religion safe. Adopting a more libertarian stance would do nothing to compromise this.
  
  For the umpteenth time though, many of us (myself included) are socially conservative. We just don’t see why government should legislate morality. As for diversity, libertarians don’t want it legislated. Nor do they want monoculturalism legislated. The hard left and right dabble in that respectively, and we’re asking for a departure from it.
  
  Incidentally, you’re unrelated presentation of drugs and homosexuality really show you aren’t bringing much to the debate.
  
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- Git-R-Done
  Posted on December 6, 2012 at 12:32am
  Dflocks80s – And STDs aren’t a health hazard in this country? And there are bisexuals who spread STDs to heterosexuals. That’s how AIDS got into the heterosexual population. Why do we have laws against incest or polygamy?
  
  Legalizing drugs isn’t going to solve the drug problem in this country. It won’t empty out prisons the way the pro-legalization crowd claims it will. How many people are in jail just b/c they smoked marijuana and have never committed a previous crime? They also don’t go to state or federal prisons just for getting caught smoking marijuana with no previous criminal record.
  
  Obama has already violated religious freedom with Obamacare forcing Catholic businesses to provide birth control against their religious beliefs? What makes you think the government won’t do more of that kind of stuff?
  
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- dflocks80
  Posted on December 6, 2012 at 1:28pm
  @Git-R-Done
  
  HIV is the product of Africans hunting eating chimps which had a virus, which was in turn from the chimps hunting and eating a species of monkey who had the virus. Since we are all closely related, the virus was able to jump species with little mutation. There are records of HIV in men AND women in the late 50′s and early 60′s. The factors I listed in my earlier post explain why the virus is more prevalent in the gay community, but to act like this is a smiting plague of heavenly origin is patently ridiculous.
  
  Polygamy laws were put in place as a form of religious suppression against Mormons. It was ruled that the detriment posed to society overrode the religious freedom of the Mormons. Incest laws were along the same lines, as well as things like sodomy laws and other laws against “crimes” that have no detrimental effect on anyone providing all parties involved are consenting adults.
  
  In terms of religious freedom, I think the polygamy ruling serves as an excellent segue. Given your stance on polygamy, you likely support the “suppression via societal detriment” argument exercised against the Mormons. However, the libs are using the exact same argument against the Catholic church in terms of mandated abortion, and all of a sudden you cry foul. Pretty hypocritical. It just proves that the libertarian suspicion of government growth in any capacity (social or fiscal) is well founded.
  
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- dflocks80
  Posted on December 6, 2012 at 1:31pm
  @Git-R-Done
  
  Also, no libertarian would ever support the government suppressing the religious will of an institution. For instance, if the government wanted to force a local church to marry a gay couple, or a local baker to bake a wedding cake for a gay wedding, the libertarians would be there, fighting tooth and nail against this overreach. The Catholic church, however, is more than happy to take plenty of government funding, and when you do that, you have to play by their rules, even if they are stupid and you and I don’t agree with them.
  
  In other words, if you lie with the dogs, you’re gonna get fleas.
  
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Steve28
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:01am
I think they have a point. Few people want the government telling them what to do in the bedroom. There are those fiscal conservatives out there that vote Democrat because they believe Republicans want to infringe on their personal rights. While being part of the older generation I think it is mostly scare tactics by the left it works. Also, like it or not the times are changing with many younger folks OK with Gay marriage. While I do not agree it does not matter. I think we should stand by the strength of being fiscal conservatives and drop social issues that no one is really going to change anyway from the platform. This way they become non issues.

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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:49am
  The beauty of our system of government (the way it is supposed to be) – is that you can still talk about moral issues….at the state and local level. Unless there are Constitutional amendments, the federal government should have nothing to do with these ‘social issues”
  
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- flipper1073
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 1:46pm
  Hi Soy,
  What amazes Me is the Social Conservatives
  Have no problem Recognizing Marxism/Communism
  as the State Outlawing Religion.(Russia,China,Cuba)
  
  But they can’t See that the State inforcing Religion
  or Moral Believes is Fascism.(Hitler,Mussolini)
  
  I’m NO fan of any ISM except Conservatism an Constitutionalism
  an I’m not sure if that’s a real Word. There are Constitutionalist
  but is their Ideology a ISM ?
  
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- Git-R-Done
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 7:59pm
  Flipper1073 – These same atheist states also legislated morality just like the Nazis and Fascists did. Excuse me if I don’t have a problem with making it illegal to murder your unborn baby. Nor do I have a problem with marriage being only between a man and a woman who aren’t related to each other.
  
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- flipper1073
  Posted on December 6, 2012 at 8:30am
  GIT-R-DONE
  I’m on Your Side on Both of those Issues.
  I just Don’t Think the the Government (Federal)
  needs to be involved.
  Overturn Roe vs Wade send it back to the States.
  Civil Union Licenses for everyone.
  Then take that to your Church an get MARRIED.
  My Church will Never Marry Same Sex.
  My only Point IS the Federal Government Does Not
  Need to be Your Moral Compass That’s Between You an GOD.
  
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Flashydave
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:00am
We also have the duality problem with the DIms and GOP. Both know that its the Coke or Pepsi choice. Once you’ve had enough Coke you have only Pepsi as the other choice. So invariably both parties will be in power and if not they will just wait until people are tired and the switch will occur. However this time the Pepsi’s are so corrupt ad are spending even more than we take in thru taxes. They aren’t the same Pepsi we’ve had in the past. The Coke people (GOP) realize this but the new pepsi drinkers don’t reqalize its not Pepsi anymore but Jonestown KoolAid. Everyone realizes that elections anymore are just choices between the lesser of two evils. But the young are so idealistic and gullible. They don’t really have the experience to recognize a charlatan like Obama. I can understand blacks supporting BO because he’s black. I can’t believe any other group would have supported him after his poor job and economic failures.
When you look at the only positive thing BO did in four years was watching Navy Seals kill OBL, its really pathetic that the low info “Ombiciles” reelected him ( that is if the massive voter fraud is ignored ). Once the GOP regains control of the Senate and House in 2014, watch for Supreme Court to agree to voter photo ID laws nationwide, just as a hedge against massive welfare fraud. Since Quantitative Easing is ruining or dollar and the retirements of everyone and falsly propping up the stock market, look for inflation and civil unrest in the nea

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- TMOverbeck
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 2:47pm
  Time for some Libertarian Dr Pepper, if you ask me. :)
  
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Posted on December 5, 2012 at 8:59am
Let’s call this generation (Millennials)… “generation me”… today’s youth are more confident and assertive it seems, but by the same token… they have more a feeling of entitlement… and are more self-absorbed, self-important, self-aggrandizing, overly-selfish and narcissistic than ever before. They seem more miserable to me.

Like all youth they think (we thought) they have (we had) the world by the cajones and damn you if you get in their way. But the Millennials seem different than previous generations. Above in the article it said… “generation sell”… more like generation “self.” More Liberal parents, an almost brainwashing Liberal education system, a more Liberal and tolerant society.

Children are being taught to distrust or even despise authority (government at all levels, law enforcement, the Military… their parents). There is no more trust, or trust but verify… it’s distrust and despise in most cases. Sad commentary.

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- longknifed
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:25am
  Keep fiddling Nero, we barbarians are already inside the gates
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:42am
  you got any kids Time2? How did you do as a parent?
  
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- TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:45am
  LONG. Your self-description IS…. spot on. I agree. I’ve been watching you “barbarians” for years now and I can honestly say… without hesitation…. that you are on par with the Obama / Democrat / leftist “barbarians”…
  
  I actually used that description at the Convention in Tampa. We had the “barbarians” who were outside the gates (the 99%’rs) and those who were on the inside (The Ron Paul zeros). I enjoyed watching the “zeros” put outside with the rest of the 99% trash.
  
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- longknifed
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:51am
  Keeping it classy huh? You blame youths, good ole boys and ron Paul because your wife left you for a libertarian southerner, and your kids no longer speak to you. You have little man syndrome.
  
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- TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:59am
  SOY. Not that my children or extended family is any business of a discussion board ankle biter… but my children are very, very successful and were taught Conservatively well both socially and fiscally. Mr Children’s children even say yes sir and yes ma’am when in social settings to anyone who they think is over the age of 18. The grand kids have grand dad’s sense of humor too. They would probably address you as…. “stranger danger”…. lol.
  
  I even have a daughter who followed in her old man’s footsteps and served her country proudly, made it to the rank of SSG before leaving the Military as a service-connected disabled Vet after 7yrs of exemplary service to OUR country.
  
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- longknifed
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 10:09am
  Holy hell how old are you?
  
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- justangry
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 10:13am
  “Let’s call this generation (Millennials)… “generation me”… today’s youth are more confident and assertive it seems, but by the same token… they have more a feeling of entitlement… and are more self-absorbed, self-important, self-aggrandizing, overly-selfish and narcissistic than ever before. They seem more miserable to me.”
  
  All for the collective, eh? And you’re not a commie. That’s why you lost your war. You don’t know what a commie is.
  
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- TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 10:16am
  LONG. What’s a “good ol’ boy?” Could never get my head wrapped around that one. You probably should stop watching reruns of the Dukes of Hazard and spend more time on your studies and the La Revolucion summer camp for kids who are trying to figure out what it is to be a man.
  
  Good luck with those studies Mary…
  
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- longknifed
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 10:26am
  Typical emptiness from an empty troll. You hate southerners, yet know nothing about them. Just like the constitution. Keep practicing for your JAG auditions with your sharp tongue and dimwits. You became a lifer because you can’t think for yourself and can’t do anything else other than take orders from somebody else. Most veterans leave after one term because they find out service has nothing to do with freedom. Funny how ron paul gets more support from them than all other candidates combined. But careerists like you enjoy wasting your entire life counting down the days until retirement so you can collect your fiat retirement check.
  
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- TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 10:42am
  JUST. I served the same master as you AND at the same time. My career was just a wee bit longer than your’s eh? But while you were subverting and railing against NCO authority in the rear, I was along side fine NCO’s and the Soldier’s who were doing what was asked by their country with nary a wimper or whine…
  
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- justangry
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 11:00am
  Reread what you said. You care more about the society than the individual. You actually resent individualism just like eastern commie civilizations. (and Rick Santorum) The opposite of individualism is what? Collectivism. What is communism based on? Collectivism. That’s why you fit in so well with the statist death cult and enjoyed being surrounded by sweaty men. Deep down inside, you’re a homosexual commie too. You’ve been socially engineered by the progressives. Congrats comrade.
  
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- circleDwagons
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 11:03am
  Time2, I also was interested in your family after you had mentioned your grandkids in another post. Thank you for your service to our country. My sister is making a career out of the service and I know how challenging raise children is. I do teach mine not to trust government and the police. I’m raising why son to be a genleman. Thanks for your continual help for Liberty.
  
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- TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 11:05am
  LONG. Lmao. I met a kid like you once when I was a Drill Sergeant. Actually… no I didn’t.
  
  These kids (men) had the cajones to take “the oath” and enlist… regardless of how long their tour of duty was… be it 3, 4, 6 yrs, or a long career like mine.
  
  You on the other hand… can only talk about what you think it may have been like, speculate on what it’s like to be a real man, pretend you have something between your legs…
  
  I say enlist… but I’m sure you have some minor ailment that would prevent you from joining… like being a pu$$-e-whipped… or something to that effect
  
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- TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 11:24am
  LONG. I never complain about posts / comments… and I hope The Blaze let’s your’s stand for posterity purposes…
  
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- justangry
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 11:51am
  Yeah, can’t argue the logic so wish my death. COLLECTIVIST TRASH. Oh and BTW an engineer / instructor / recruiter working state side at the Seneca Falls Depot is a REMF, RAMBO.
  
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- longknifed
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 12:13pm
  Time the tattle tail just got rid of my last few posts because the putdowns were too good. Is that you Kristol?
  Face it old man, you can’t outzing me and you couldn’t take me down in real life with your king fu panda moves.
  We should all just ignore this troll troglodyte from now on because he contributes nothing other than statist shillery. Thanks for your service….NOT. You didn’t fight for any freedom you bootlicking sychophant. You probably never had a real job where you risk injury like me, opting instead for a peacetime desk job that only requires “enlisting.”
  
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- longknifed
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 12:17pm
  Btw creep, your platoon was likely a few good men short of a few good men.
  
  Go ahead and use your teenage girl texting slang on that one, fossilized rodent.
  
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- circleDwagons
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 12:32pm
  @Long. Nice rant but you are just playing into Time’s hands. Time is entitled to his views, I think it does him well. I know he is wrong about alot but he does bring attention to Dr. PAUL and the Liberty Movement.
  
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- TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 12:36pm
  JUST. Lol… I see thay took that comment down about how those “sweaty men” you seem to hate so much (the Seabees) would have put an end to your traitorous subversion… but I digress…
  
  Yes, in the Army… we had lot’s of different opportunities (and unwritten requirements) for rapid career advancement if you chose to do it. After volunteering for ‘Nam as a straight-leg 11B ground pounder for my country and the opportunity to kill Commies, I re-entered the world (stateside) and reenlisted out of that MOS into Combat Engineering (12B). Was even given the opportunity to go to Airborne School as a 12B (training slots were available to many Combat Arms unit personnel at the time)
  
  The Army looked very favorably at NCO’s in the rank of E-5, 6 and even E-7 who were either a Drill Sergeant or a Recruiter. I volunteered for both duties which is uncommon, but I wanted to do it all (and they allowed me… cool). Didn’t seem to hinder my career, only helped it. Knowledge from varied training opportunities is a powerful tool. You talk the talk… because you walked the walk.
  
  Usually they frown upon you being “out” of your MOS for any extended periods of time, but I also held a few different MOS’s at different points early in my career which allowed some flexibility.
  
  I also had an opportunity to instruct for a Primary Leadership Developement Course / Academy for E-4′s, 5′s, 6′s and even E-7′s for a Senior Leadership Course.
  
  There’s more… I’m outa’ space.
  
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- TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 12:55pm
  CIRCLED. I appreciate your earlier comment… and I gave you a… :-O… and a… ;-).
  
  LONGED. I’m retired from two jobs and now a very respected small business owner. Does your boss at Crispy Creme know you sit at his / her computer all day claiming that you’re plugging in your hours? That’s a lot of dang’d hours? Lmao.
  
  You don’t rifle through his / her files changing your negative employee evaluations do you? Or, are you really just spending all your time in the Lie-berry taking a seat for someone who is actually there to do some research. Is that the case retread??
  
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- justangry
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 1:06pm
  I don’t give a **** about all that, you mock me all the time and I was in a Battle E hornet squadron. Meaning we dropped more bombs and took out more targets (people) than any other squadron in the war. And just because I later realized I was brainwashed by the state doesn’t mean I did any of the BS you imply.
  
  What I’m talking about your love of collectivism. You’re vehemently opposed to individualism, right? Selfishness? Not putting the country before oneself? Is any of that NOT TRUE? That’s what you basically just said above. It’s really a simple question. What do you call someone that puts the society above the individual? Is that was this country was founded on? You can deny you’re a collectivist (commie) all you want, but anyone with any education knows that putting the society above the individual is the basic premise of communism or fascism and typically what pitted the east and west prior to the complete transformation of our corrupt commie/fascist police state you love so much.
  
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- TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 1:35pm
  JUST. You brought it up… so JUST schooling you. ”
  
  WE” did this… and “WE” did that. Yes, nothing wrong with being part of… and including yourself in the “WE” of it all… but I’m not all that sure you were PART of the TEAM with all that hate authority talk, despising of NCO blather and horse dookey you have written in the past.
  
  You basically came out and stated you were too way good for the NCO’s, much smarter, more advanced in thought, demeanor and over-all substance. I also heard the sound of “Officer” @ss kissing in your comments. You know, the guys who got the ammo to the targets that killed all those “brown” people you speak so highly of. You apparently loved the smack of your lips on a bomb dropping Officer’s @ss but have a soft spot for murderous Muslames. Confusing…
  
  Me personally? I have no problem congratulating those bomb dropping Officers for a job well done, but never felt I had to kiss one’s @ss and make him notice me. They knew me throught word and deed. They knew you apparently from the sucking sound they felt from behind…
  
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- justangry
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 2:17pm
  You’ve exposed yourself as a collectivist in front of the entire world, so you use Alinsky smears on me because I called you out on it? Nice touch, comrade. Let me ask you this. Where you do you stand on the soldier that got a dishonorable discharge for refusing to don UN garb under the dumb Bush’s orders?
  
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- TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 2:39pm
  ‘Dumb Bush?” Lol…
  
  Anyways SOY. You “enlist” in the Military you must also be aware of what you may be asked to do. Personally I think the kid had cajones and he did what he “thought” was right…
  
  But an order to serve on a UN mission would be issued through the correct chain of command and would be a lawful order. A soldier would have no legal basis to object. And I believe that any Military personnel refusing a lawful order for political reasons should be punished.
  
  I also believe we should throw the UN the he77 out of our country and get as far away from any dealings with it as humanly and especially Militarily as possible.
  
  There ya’ have it “Commissioned” Officer @ss smoocher.
  
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- longknifed
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 3:16pm
  Nope circled, genuflecting to his army of one won’t do anybody any good. He doesn’t stand for anything. He doesn’t understand that America was n er meant to have a military tradition and never until his lifetime, which probably began in 1941. Before that, there was no standing peacetime army and no generals. They were all demoted to nco after each war was finished.
  
  America has always been constitutionally skeptical of ALL authority. “Oh Jefferson dirt actually mean that about revolutions every 25 years.” Uhhh yeah he did. Ask time the dbag what he thinks of gun control. GUARANTEE he is for it. Funny how we don’t know where he stands on any issues huh? That’s because he waits for bill kristol to tell him what to believe next. He’d shill for Obama if he were a republican.
  
  Who calls themselves a “respectable business owner?” That’s when u know he’s full of it.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 4:29pm
  Um hmmm, so how is that you’re not a collectivist?
  
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- longknifed
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 6:50pm
  He’s not a collectivist or an individualist. He’s a federal employee…a yes man…a mercenary…a hessian.
  
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- Git-R-Done
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:27pm
  Tolerance means that you have no set of values and that there’s no such thing as right and wrong. That’s the biggest dogma that’s being taught in schools and in the media.
  
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tajloc
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 8:57am
justangry Obviously just trolling. Nowthe GOP (at least the RINOS) have taken over. We can’t get a party w/ social issues. By the way every political vote is a moral vote. If God does not drive your vote then how do you decide?
TEA is going and maybe they will join us next time.
Need hope??? Rom 8:28

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- justangry
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 4:49pm
  I’m not trolling. The social conservative movement started the progressive era. Look it up. I’m not arguing those issues shouldn’t be taken up anywhere, I’m arguing they don’t belong at the federal level as per the Constitution and the 10th amendment. I myself am straight as an arrow on everything except I can’t quit smoking cigarettes. I think abortion is murder, homosexuality is disgusting, etc. It’s not that I don’t agree with social conservatives, it’s that the Constitution must be upheld or we slide into tyranny and the social conservative platform wrongly takes short cuts around the amendment process.
  
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- Git-R-Done
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:38pm
  Justangry – What about those who supported a Constitutional amendment to define marriage as between a man and a woman or tried to get the 14th amendment applied to the unborn in 1972 in the Roe v. Wade court decision?
  
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- justangry
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 10:27pm
  If they amended the constitution, fine. Although it would never happen and any politician running on that issue would be destined to lose.
  
  I’d say using the 14th for abortion would be judicial activism in the worst way using an originalist interpretation of the Constitution. I think Renquist’s dissent on Roe v. Wade was right.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 10:42pm
  Here’s a link to Renquist’s dissent.
  
  http://www.thisnation.com/library/roewade-rehnquist.html
  
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- Git-R-Done
  Posted on December 6, 2012 at 12:42am
  Justangry – How are the states that don’t want same sex marriage going to be protected from states that want it if the DOMA is repealed? There will be cases of same sex couples marrying in states where it’s legal and then moving to states where it isn’t recognized and force these states to recognize it from other states, which the DOMA protects against.
  
  How is the 14th amendment applied to unborn babies any less judicial activism than the other times it was used in Supreme Court rulings?
  
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vaman
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 8:57am
What a great report. It looks like this generation has a bright future. I think the older generations will be afraid and not accept the positive changes this country is making. It’s not uncommon to fear change, but if you embrace it, you will find it worthwhile. Just to see less god in this country is a blessing in itself.

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- SquidVetOhio
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:03am
  Yea, just see Rome. Worked out great for them.
  
  Moron…..
  
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- Zipit
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:46am
  Yes Vaman! And when this generation finds itself poor, hungry, and freezing in the dark, the blessing you describe will have taken a u-turn. When they finally figure out that your almighty government, and a populace without any moral leadership, has given them nothing but life with little hope, and no opportunity, religion of any measure may become an option!
  
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- brother_ed
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 10:02am
  @VAMAN
  
  What ‘positive changes’ are you talking about?
  
  I have talked to several post 1980′s kids. Though far from a scientific survey, to a man these people were absolutely incapable of making a moral decision.
  
  They have no idea how to unravel complex issues, as their ability to focus has dwindled due to a multiplicity of stimuli.
  
  They believe in many ‘truths’; everyone needs to find what works for them and it’s “All good”.
  
  They have been taught that everyone has weaknesses (we are all different), but that their is no ideal that needs to be lived up to.
  
  Sorry, but the generation in question is as clueless about the proper workings of civilization as I am about the levels of Halo.
  
  They think that since the older generations had no cell-phones, computers or 24 hour cartoon network that we were/are ignorant, and since technology has change, the morals are no longer relevant.
  
  We have a lot of work to do to educate them, but I fear that most folks won’t have the patience to do so and will opt for a violent purge.
  
  God bless Glenn and others who are trying to create an outlet to provide this country with a much needed counterbalance to Hollywood; and to provide entertainment, music and news source with a conservative slant.
  
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Think_4_yourself
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 8:57am
The Dems have been quitley building this stage for 40 years, get them while they are young, fill them with the message you want them to belive, continue to call Reps racist, greedy, liberty takers, ect. The effect is exactly why we saw this election.

There is no hope for us anymore, when you put your core values aside for political gain, the game is over. I would rather stand on my priciples and be shunned than to “submit” to something I do not belive in. Both parties are dispicable in my view. America was once the greatest country on earth, no so much anymore, the sad part is that when people realize they have made a mistake by supporting these socialist, it will be too late.

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- neverending
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:05am
  Afraid it is too late and we knew that going in to this past election and here we are!
  
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AUsername
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 8:56am
Social Conservatism is just another form of authoritarianism and this one American people simply don’t like. if they had their way, this country would be a christian version of Saudi Arabia.

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- mizzouwendy
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:08am
  Really? So you are equating how Saudi Arabia treats their women with how “conservatives” in this country treat us women in the US? Have ya spent any time in the Middle East buddy……..I have. YOu have NO clue what in the world you are talking about. There is one war on women and it is in the ME, women in the US are damn lucky. HOMOSEXUALS ARE KILLED IN THE MIDDLE EAST FOR GOD’S SAKE
  
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- SquidVetOhio
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:12am
  Did you guys get that talking point mailed to you? Good lord, come up with something original. Christians founded and started the country that gave you the freedom to say stupid things like that. If you have the right to get high at your sodomite wedding reception after looking at internet porn, then I have the right to stand against it.
  
  Little punk liberals living off the freedoms and wealth the God-fearing people of this country created. Here’s the dirty little secret, you parasites are about to kill the host organism. Then what are you going to do? I’ll tell you. You will become subjects to your fascist authoritarian state like the good little commies you are. And since you don’t believe in anything greater than yourself, you’ll be unwilling to die to fight it. So go ahead and celebrate your hatred for God and His people and what little success you’ve had for diminishing our influence like the countless extinct God-hating civilizations before you. Yet the Jew and the Christian remains.
  
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- BenKatz
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 3:15pm
  Thank heavens for for your self righteous judgement SquidVetOhio.
  
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- checkingbothsides
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 4:27pm
  @MIZZOUWENDY First of all, god I hope we didn’t graduate from the same school. *facepalm* Second, have you ever heard of a slippery slope? Of course it’s not as bad here for women or non-Christians as it is in Saudi Arabia! Because we keep the crazies from making it that way. But there is a sizable group (I see them on here all the time) who would be happy if Atheists, Liberals, Homosexuals, etc. were all put to death.
  
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- Git-R-Done
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 4:46pm
  Checkingbothsides – If you hatetheists had your way, there would be no freedom of speech nor freedom of religion. It would be like the former Soviet Union.
  
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geo01
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 8:50am
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Republicans ARE THE WORST POLITICIANS.
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The libs LIE TO GET THE VOTE. The GOP sits back and lets it happen.
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For over 50 years the libs have been telling the poor….”We are on your side.”
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THE ONLY SIDE THEY ARE ON…..is to keep the poor dependent on Govt. thus retaining their votes.
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Being the POOR POLITICIANS that they are . . . the GOP is indeed on the way out.
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The liberals are too liberal and the GOP has truly become a Party of OLD WHITE MEN.
OLD IDEAS…..and an INEPTNESS that is only exceeded by the current Administration’s Cabinet Members.
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This mess in Washington D.C. will destroy this country.
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U.S.A. ….. R.I.P.
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hauschild
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 8:47am
There’s no reason to “dumb down” your own ideologies to be accepted by young, worthless slugs.

It is up to young people to “think” and to carry on the torch of freedom and liberty. If they choose not to, so be it. At least “we” will not have compromised our principles.

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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 8:52am
  these “young worthless slugs” are the children of the “conservative” generation – what does that tell you?
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 8:56am
  That is so true. There is no reason for the Republican Party to mere clone themselves into another version of the Democrat Party much like they did between 2001 and 2006. Besides, we will eventually need people with their heads on in the right place when it comes time to pick up the pieces and get what will remain of this country back on track.
  
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- ArmedAndReallyPissed
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 8:56am
  SOY : it tells me your a Commie.
  
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- AUsername
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 8:59am
  you all are the welfare generation that relies on government entitlements that the young have to pay for soon. Also the young are not interested in foreign countries that have nothing to do with them like Israel and don’t want our troops to die overseas for foreign countries. You baby boomers have and are destroying this country because you dependent on goverment.
  
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- longknifed
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:35am
  It’s the baby boomers that are the entitled class. I’ve picketed an abortion clinic and it was old ugly relics that were counter protesting against young people. Young people are the ones that are more self reliant. The boomers just want their tripled social security returns, Medicare and lets not forget that $7 trillion dollar eschatological fantasy without doing any of the fighting. Who needs democrats when you have this crap?
  
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- Git-R-Done
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 4:48pm
  Ausername – And you little children love Obamacare, the stimulus, “free” university education, “free” housing, Obamaphones, etc.
  
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demsrtraitors
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 8:46am
When the Republican’s supported the 1965 immigration bill with the traitorous white liberals , the dumb white republicans were too stupid to realize they were killing themselves, their race the nation. And When they controlled congress they did NOTHING TO sop illegal immigration. Now everyone must pay for their betrayal. It’s time for a third party, a REAL Conservative Nationalist party. Enough is Enough!

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- TheMajority
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:03am
  Yes, lets call it “The party of Indvidualism”, with a public mission statement to destroy the 2-party system, make our Constitution our law again, and put Capitalism back in the hands of the Citizenry.
  
  With the party of Individulism, (where any “Citizen” has just as good of a shot of winning office as anybody else, based on merit, not pocet book size or party affiliation), every Individual is already a member. We were Individuals, before somnebody gouped us up to fight eachother.
  
  This 2-party system is dragging (has dragged) us to communism, and only Individualism can stop them.
  
  Wanna bet we get ther young vote, and most other demographics?
  
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M40-A1
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 8:41am
Speaking as an individual who left the GOP in my twenties I agree. Young people should leave the GOP, or should I say never support them at all. I know the kids in my neighborhood are quite conservative and detest Obama. We as Americans deserve better than the two failed parties who have deluded themselves into believing they can steal from us at will without consequence.

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NONCENTS
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 8:40am
If the GOP gives up on social issues, they really will become the party of GREED that so many allege. At that point, the difference between democrats and republicans will be what kind of greed they espouse: socialist or mercantile.

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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:57am
  Would you rather have a government telling people to be moral – or would you rather have a government that follows the Constitution? You cannot have both
  
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- Git-R-Done
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 4:52pm
  Soybomb – How come Obama was able to successfully demonize Romney as a greedy man? And if we don’t legislate morality, then tell the social liberals to stop supporting anti-discrimination laws and hate crime legislation.
  
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- NONCENTS
  Posted on December 6, 2012 at 9:11am
  I would rather have a government of honest men who are moral themselves because they realize they are beholden to a higher power. Without them, our country is lost.
  
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DougHuffman
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 8:40am
There are more than two progressively soul-less political parties. The Constitution Party has soul, the soul of the Founding Fathers.

Our children must be wrested away from establishment education. Read The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America by Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt

http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/MomsPDFs/DDDoA.sml.pdf

Good people ought to be armed as they will, with wits and Guns and the Truth. God Bless Bitter Clingers, damn soul-less progressives.

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bhelmet
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 8:39am
I cannot wait until these youngsters have to start paying for everything – oh how I bet their tune will change – especially when folks like mr Go Galt!

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- justangry
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:06am
  Well that’s just it, they don’t want to pay the federal government to enforce morality legislation when it’s only supposed to protect our freedom. Think of how much money we’d save ending the war on drugs.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:34am
  The youth will be stuck with the tab of massive debt piled on by previous generations…I wouldnt be so quick to condemn them. Also consider these youth had parents, many of whom were republican…..
  
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- Git-R-Done
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 4:55pm
  Justangry – But they’re more than happy for the “rich” to have to pay for their freebies such as birth control, STD tests and treatments, college indoctrination, health care, housing, food, etc.
  
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justangry
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 8:36am
Why don’t we just call social issues what they are? It’s progressive movement. Unless someone can honestly tell me how legislating morality would shrink the government or where it’s authorized in the Constitution.

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- Lifewasgood
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:00am
  Exactly, The REP need to stop feeding the abortion/birth control debate just to satisfy the failure of the local preacher to educate the flock in God’s law. The Gay Marriage issue goes away by changing the tax code to equality for all system. If the REP change their platform to Changing the Monetary System and Taking back control of it by way of the Treasury Department (End the Fed) Changing the Taxation and Revamping the Defense of this country (Saving Billions) then they would win elections every time. But as long as they continue making Abortion, Gay Marriage, and cutting entitlements their goals. Stand by for many more loses.
  
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- SquidVetOhio
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:01am
  The most ignorant argument ever put forth. All laws are based on morality genius. Why is murder illegal? Why is rape illegal? What is fraud illegal? BECAUSE THEY ARE IMMORAL! Or do you like to pick and choose which morals we should legislate?
  
  What a cosmically stupid argument.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:36am
  @SquidVetOhio
  They are illegal because they violate our natural rights to life or property
  
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- longknifed
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:38am
  The neocons are the ones that are actually pushing social degeneracy. Just look at romney’s record. Government should stay out of it entirely and it would all eventually go away because it is nothing but cyclical decadence. Reactionist laws against it only make it legitimized.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:39am
  SquidVet, all those things are prosecuted at the state level and deprive others of their freedom.
  
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- resme
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 2:52pm
  You can tell how screwed up these laws are also. Murder a congressman life in prison. Murder a homeless guy 5 years. Steal a song off the internet 40 years. Any action you commit against the state or the states buddies (corporations,media,etc) the penalty is so out of whack……
  
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Gary_K
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 8:36am
So the answer is to move LEFT and let the country degrade into Sodom and Gamora….

ya right…..damn socialists.

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- justangry
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:52am
  How is morality and socialism connected?
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 2:35pm
  Socialists have their principles, which are different than other peoples principles in part. Therefore their morality would be different in part..
  
  So yes socialism & morality are linked.
  
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- Nevertakecandyfromsocialists
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 6:17pm
  Marx was an atheist, as was Lenin. Atheism was embraced by socialism and communism. The problem with atheism is that all morality is relative (moral relativism). Religion gives you absolute truths. If you rely on atheism and moral relativism, you rely on imperfect and fallible man. Then you get to decide which man has the best ideas. Would you rather follow a Benjamin Franklin kind of guy or Hitler. The answer may seem obvious now but most of Germany went along with Hitler’s lunacy. The founding fathers based this government on Judeo-Christian beliefs and believed our inalienable rights were God given and therefore only God can take them away. If they were given by man, they could be taken away by man. The founders realized religion was important. No one is forcing religion on anyone, you are free not to believe. Everyone should appreciate however, as the founders did, the structure, morality and self-discipline religion brings to society. A selfish, self-indulgent, undisciplined society dependent on the government (man) is doomed.
  
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TROLLMONGER
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 8:35am
It doesnt matter what the GOP does bc everyone knows its the party of religeous zealotry, racism, and exclusion. No one in this country wants to be associated with that. That is why the GOP will be extinct within a year.

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- ArmedAndReallyPissed
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 8:54am
  Same garbage spewing sentences from the TROLL as usual. Save time from now one. Just cut and paste your ignorant Communist comments to every article, no matter what the topic is. What a stupid Commie you are.
  
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- AUsername
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:00am
  Democrat party isn’t any different on that front except less warmongerish.
  
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- BSdetector
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:10am
  This is correct, GOP is synonymous with Democrat. They sometimes say different things, but actions speak louder than words.
  
  Minorities are afraid to leave the Democrat Slave Plantation because they fear what the GOP will “do” to them based on what their Masters in the party tell them.
  
  Sensible people are afraid to leave the Republican party because of how the Democrats will bankrupt them, yet the GOP elites will fight for prosperity and stand tough.
  
  In the end, all of us are being sold into slavery and bankrupted just the same no matter who is in charge because they are ALL PROGRESSIVES.
  The 2 party system does not work and the “powers that be” are so firmly entrenched, it would take generations to change anything in either party.
  
  Until we abandon both the GOP and the Communists, and form a real third party, we will continue heading further into slavery and poverty until we end up like the middle east.
  
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- Git-R-Done
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 8:02pm
  Ausername – Which President had US troops in Bosnia and Kosovo for no good reason? Which President had troops in Libya to overthrow Ghaddafi and troops in Uganda and Yemen?
  
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kickagrandma
Posted on December 5, 2012 at 8:30am
Since the gop isn’t any more, young voters, why not help form a new, WE THE PEOPLE – GOD AND COUNTRY party?

The other two parties (soulless entities that they are) have betrayed our trust and there is no reviving them.

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- TROLLMONGER
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 8:36am
  The old old GOP is dead. There is no reviving it. We are in a new evolved day and age. Primitive ways of thinking that the GOP adopted are obsolete.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 8:38am
  Or you could just not try to nationalize morality and keep it at the state and local levels where it belongs.
  
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- Winedude
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 8:43am
  Only two comments kick: “Science is the antidote to the poison of religion”…Adam Smith
  
  “And: Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.” Samuel Johnson.
  
  So true, so true and I still love my country. I don’t have to wear my patriotism on my sleeve. Don’t even get me started on the nonsense of organized religion…all of ‘em!
  
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- longknifed
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 9:48am
  But what about when science and religion merge? Global warming, positivism etc?
  
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- cdn1979
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 11:55am
  good idea. you form that party and give the democrats full control of government. how dumb are you? split the right of center vote? your “we the people” “TEA” nonsense is what caused the downfall of the republican party. Get a grip and quit being a drain on the right. come to your senses and try to compromise for a change
  
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- ThoreauHD
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 4:11pm
  Adam Smith and Samuel Johnson? Could you pick two people that had less of an impact on the founding of this Country? How about John Adams and Samuel Adams? They weren’t philosophers shooting for the stars.
  
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- Git-R-Done
  Posted on December 5, 2012 at 4:57pm
  CDN1979 – No, we’re not going to compromise with the enemies known as fiscal and social liberals.
  
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